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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Why Some People Take Q-Anon's Pedophilia Allegations Seriously
[AmericanThinker] In Billy Joel's rock classic, "You May Be Right," he has the memorable lines:

You may be right
I may be crazy
But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.
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Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2020 09:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I probably should have cleaned up editorial comments but I was having a little trouble with the editing on the Burg.

To add to the article. If there are doubters about child trafficking problems in our country, there is also the Nexium cult prosecution in NY. Transcripts from Epstein first trial in Florida have been unsealed and released.and The material taken from Epstein's Little St. James Island as well as his ranch in New Mexico and the townhouse in NYC have not yet been revealed. We have not heard yet from Ghislaine Maxwell about all this but most likely she is trying to cut a deal. Nothing has been released regarding these aspects that were on the Weiner computer. It is doubtful that many believe the narrative that has been provided regarding Epstein's death. Recall also Horowitz's brief reference to the CF and child trafficking. This was not elucidated upon in his report. I would image that if Biden-Harris win, all this will be deep-sixed. If not, and Trump wins, we will likely hear more.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2020 10:14 Comments || Top||

#2  There's been plenty of, not just smoke, but actual fire on this issue.

This is just more media gaslighting.

"rejection of reason and Enlightenment values."

Which were products of dead White males, some of whom owned slaves, right?

So why should we care?

Funny how the lefties always trot that crap out when they feel they're on the back foot.

Let me know when your Blamtifa pals start adhering to Enlightenment norms, hon.
Posted by: charger || 10/13/2020 10:46 Comments || Top||

#3  terrible things happen when adults think all children want their "love" all the time

Hillary Clinton: It Takes a Village

"In it, Clinton presents her vision for the children of America. She focuses on the impact individuals and groups outside the family have, for better or worse, on a child's well-being, and advocates a society which meets all of a child's needs."
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/13/2020 11:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Haiti might provide key info.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2020 11:31 Comments || Top||

#5  JohnQC, do you mean NXIVM? It’s pronounced NEKS-ee-əm ...
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2020 13:54 Comments || Top||


#7  Search on NXIVM added at the bottom of the article for reference.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2020 20:59 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
The better Sweden does on the coronavirus, the angrier the critics get
[Wash Examiner]
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under:

#1  There were two major countries that rejected the very idea of lockdown. Sweden & Brazil. For some odd reason, we don't hear anything about Brazil from "covid-sceptics". I wonder why?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 3:59 Comments || Top||

#2  We don't hear much from Locked down Belgium either.

Mass Lockdown is a total disaster.

Herd immunity for the under 60s (plus targetted protection for COVID risks) is cheaper safer and less-risky. It's just less profitable for the rent-seeking vaccine and patent pushers.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 4:58 Comments || Top||

#3  As I understand it, once Belgians imposed lockdown, they did OK. So, to go back to Brazil ...
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 5:11 Comments || Top||

#4  Once Sweden didn't empty their hospitals into old people homes they did well...

So It seems not protecting the elderly is the key. How about Africa... I thought it was supposed to be terrible there, but the MSM dropped it as the scare p0rn failed to materialise, probably as the population is younger...
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 7:02 Comments || Top||

#5  Perspective from Worldometers. Deaths per million population:

Belgium - 880
Brazil - 708
USA - 664
Sweden - 583
Israel - 220

I wonder how Brazil's health system compares to the other countries, listed above?
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2020 11:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Brazil is a fuckin shithole . Just like the major cities in the US. Could that have something to do with it grom
Posted by: Chris || 10/13/2020 11:54 Comments || Top||

#7  ^As I said, Belgium was one of the first hit. The bulk of the casualties is BEFORE they imposed lockdown. Brazil was one of the last hit. And, about their medical system - according to wordometers, they've 3% mortality now (USA has 4%).

Why can't you people get it - Herd Immunity is exactly like AGW: a theory that some people chose to believe in (for their reasons) despite total absence of evidence!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 11:59 Comments || Top||

#8  #7 I was replying to #5.

#6 Brazil is a fuckin shithole Just like the major cities in the US..

Implying that no lockdown/no masks will work in USA the same way it's working in Brazil?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 12:06 Comments || Top||

#9  :-) I knew you would get spun up on this. Now it appears you agree with the WHO head owned and operated by China:
Who is in charge at the World Health Organization these days and do they really have any science to back up their various guidelines for how we’re supposed to behave during the pandemic? Their latest decree, coming from Tedros Ghebreyesus, states that the concept of herd immunity is not only ineffective but “immoral” and “ethically problematic.” via Hotair
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2020 12:46 Comments || Top||

#10  Og geez our lockdown fanatic who can't do maths for biology (falsely thinks exponential works when you can't have more infection than people) now thinks you can't stop a virus when there's no-one around to catch it...

Just wait until they work out how vaccines work, it'll be lockdown forever to prevent the scary virus that extends life expectancy by a year.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 13:13 Comments || Top||

#11  #9 Franky, my beamish boy, I tried to explain to you geniuses that there is no Herd Immunity six months ago. Well, they have AGW, and you have Herd Immunity.

#10 falsely thinks exponential works when you can't have more infection than people

A true and significant point - if you are not people. Are you, not-people, BP?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 13:32 Comments || Top||

#12  have you been personally testing heavy concentrations of alcohol in the blood as an anti-viral?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 15:17 Comments || Top||

#13  ^Assuming Freudian projection - a tenable working hypothesis in this particular case - much becomes clear.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 15:57 Comments || Top||

#14  g(r)omgoru "USA Mortality rate 4%"

Liar. How can you speak with that much shit in your mouth?
Posted by: Theager Borgia1057 || 10/13/2020 19:06 Comments || Top||

#15  ^ signs of encroaching Biden's Disease?

Happens to even the best Branch Covidians. Even grommet.
Posted by: Gomez Unearong8268 || 10/13/2020 19:32 Comments || Top||

#16  Lockdowns are meant to impact the rate at which it spreads through a population. That's it. No one has seriously argued that loackdowns, masks, etc. will make the thing go away. They won't.

Fatality rate has nothing to do with how quickly the virus spreads (unless your healthcare system gets overwhelmed). It has to do with treatment, demographics, health of the population in general, etc.

So, we are talking about two different things here.
Posted by: Iblis || 10/13/2020 21:11 Comments || Top||


-Land of the Free
Incorporated America
[TheZMan] The old left-wing critique of post-war America was that it was rampant consumerism resulting from the embrace of unfettered capitalism. Everything is commercialized and that which cannot be turned into a reason to buy stuff is discarded. The old right-wing criticism is that America is not free enough. Everywhere the tentacles of the state invade the normal activity of society. Both are correct in that America now operates like a giant corporate entity, rather than a country.

A country in the modern sense is a collection of nations. France is not a unified nation, as its regions are quite distinct with unique histories. Those nations are held together by a shared history and a common interest in being French. The same was always true of the United States, hence the name. The states reflected the nations of the country, held together by a common origin story and common interest. Those regional differences turned up in the language and culture.

The distinguishing characteristic of the America that emerged from the Cold War is that it is losing its regional variety in favor of a bland, corporate sameness. Everywhere you go you see the same corporate brands, which are often owned by the same corporate parent, providing the illusion of choice. Housing developments are all based on the same styles and patterns, because the builders are all the same. A new development in North Carolina looks just like one in Dallas or Cleveland.
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Europe
Afghan Migrants Escaped War; Doomed to Hopeless Future in Europe
If it’s so horrible in Europe, they’re free to go back home. Why do none of them actually do that?
[KhaamaPress] The young Afghan asylum seekers’ life in Europe: In the beginning, they were so welcomed, as the Prime Minister said in a speech in September 2015. After a year the same person made laws that opened the doors for deportation, and children being split away from their families. Young fathers had been forced to be deported from Sweden, being separated from their small babies. Here I will enclose stories of three young Afghans, who have suffered for years in Sweden, and yet, face a futureless journey.

Abdul Rahim (hypothetical name) was 16 years old when he came to Sweden in 2015.
Or so he says. What was it — half of the Moslem colonists arriving from 2015 on who claimed to be children turned out to be most definitely adult? Something like that, anyway.
He bravely ran away from Afghanistan at the age of 13 years old. He lived in Iran
...a theocratic Shiite state divided among the Medes, the Persians, and the (Arab) Elamites. Formerly a fairly civilized nation ruled by a Shah, it became a victim of Islamic revolution in 1979. The nation is today noted for spontaneously taking over other countries' embassies, maintaining whorehouses run by clergymen, involvement in international drug trafficking, and financing sock puppet militias to extend the regime's influence. The word Iran is a cognate form of Aryan. The abbreviation IRGC is the same idea as Stürmabteilung (or SA). The term Supreme Guide is a the modern version form of either Duce or Führer or maybe both. They hate Jews Zionists Jews. Their economy is based on the production of oil and vitriol...
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Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6484 views] Top|| File under: Moslem Colonists


Home Front: Politix
Statistics and the US elections
By Rantburg’s own JFM.
There is an old statistician joke: "If you can't count the horses then count the hooves and divide by four". This joke is about a classical method used by statisticians: when you can't measure something directly you use indicators: values correlated with what you are trying to measure. For instance sales of horsehoes, saddles, bridles, and al if you need to know the number of horses. With carefully selected indicators you can have a good idea of the number you are trying to estimate and a still better idea of its evolution.

So the MSM are saying Biden will win in a landslide. Then why is the attendance at his rallies so low? Why are there so few "Biden" signs in front of houses? Why is he been nuked by Trump in both? Attendance at rallyes and signs in front of houses are not votes but they are correlated with.

Now I will play devil's statistician: perhaps it is that Republicans tend to live in houses with a lawn you can put a "Trump" sign on it and Democrats live in appartments so direct comparisons can be misleading. So let's compare Biden to Clinton in 2016 and again Biden is blown out of the water. In fact he is doing worse than Mondale in 1984. Now people not enthousiastic about Biden would not bother about putting a Biden sign and, because of TDS, still vote for him in higher numbers than they did for Clinton. That would hold if there were, say 10% less pro-Biden than pro-Clinton signs but from what people living in America tell me there were 10 Clinton signs for 1 Biden sign. I really don't believe Biden can do better than Clinton did. Not with such abysmal differences in attendance at rallyes and signs in front of houses. I really believe he will do far worse

Without ballot stuffing of mexican proportions I don't see how Biden could win.
Posted by: JFM || 10/13/2020 10:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6472 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Parfait!

Statistics without numbers, sure, but sound conclusions!
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2020 15:01 Comments || Top||

#2  ...perhaps it is that Republicans tend to live in houses with a lawn you can put a "Trump" sign on it and Democrats live in appartments

The late comedian Mitch Hedberg said, "I'm not a household name, most of my fans live in apartments..."
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/13/2020 15:50 Comments || Top||

#3  Bien dit, JFM.

Here are some indicators that are more reliable than shitty, slanted polls.

New voter registrations: in the states that capture registrations by party preference, Repubs have out-registered Dems in 2020 by at least 2:1.

All or nearly all of these newly-registered voters are likely to vote Nov. 3. If the polls don't update their samples to refelect this changed weighting, they will underestimate Trump's vote total by at least 4-5 points in each state.

Actual election results in 2018 and 2020: Recent election data - how real people really did vote - has been demonstrated to be a far better predictor of the next election outcome than this primitively method of calling up a few strangers and asking them to tell you what they might or might not do in the future. Republicans have outperformed the polls' predictions in multiple elections recently. These real elections including dozens of special elections in Washington State indicate that Trump will win.

Search for "Sean Trende" or "Helmut Norpoth" for details. Here's a Newsweek article about Norpoth's recent prediction, using primary election data, that Trymp will win.

indicate that Teumo
Posted by: Clirt and Company9854 || 10/13/2020 16:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I too have my indicators.

The meaning of no Bibi-Biden election year contact
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 16:06 Comments || Top||

#5  On the other hand
Eli Lilly antibody trial paused due to potential safety concern
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 16:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Fascinating paragraphs from g(r)omgoru’s link:

But nobody seemed to care in America, either. What is even more telling is that no one seemed to care in the Biden campaign. Leaks, for instance, did not emerge from close advisors to the former vice president bashing Netanyahu for “brazenly taking sides,” or for “disrespecting” a man who may be president.

During the 2016 election, less than two months before the US voted, both Trump and Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton’s teams were eager to set up a meeting with Netanyahu. Those meetings were held in New York on the sidelines of the annual UN General Assembly meeting.

This time, however, there was no public indication by the Biden team before Netanyahu flew to Washington that they were interested in a meeting or public phone call during the prime minister’s two-night stay, just as the Biden camp did not protest afterward that no such meeting or phone call had taken place.


Democrats: your Big Tent Joo-hating party. Their motto: “Whatever your reason to hate Jews, we’ve got you covered.”

Wouldn’t it be fun if Bibi has his own version of Mr. Biden’s Menachem Begin conversation?

Menachem Begin To Joe Biden: I Am Not A Jew With Trembling Knees
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2020 16:40 Comments || Top||

#7  #6 Actually, I posted this, because (IMO) if Bibi's national security advisors believed that Biden has a chance - it would be Bibi's duty as an Israeli PM to suck up to Biden.

But that was before I've seen the Eli Lilly news item.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 16:46 Comments || Top||

#8  Another way to look at Bibi not meeting Biden is that with the Abraham accords Israel no longer depends so strongly on the US as they did before. And you can be Bibi knows far more about any other nations likely to join in the peace deal in time than the press knows at this point.

Also, is it worth meeting with the anti-semite party when you are unlikely to to make inroads?
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/13/2020 17:23 Comments || Top||

#9  Also, is it worth meeting with the anti-semite party when you are unlikely to to make inroads?

Likely, unlikely, it's major part of his job.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 18:42 Comments || Top||

#10  "Eli Lilly antibody trial paused...."

Awwww, Big Pharma suffers a set-back. My heart bleeds. (Yes, I don't care who finds a vaccine/whatever against COVID-19 first, even Sputnik-V, as long as there is a level playing field, but the pharmaceutical-industrial complex has had its way for far too long.)
Posted by: Clem || 10/13/2020 19:04 Comments || Top||


States with the Best & Worst Representation on Election Day
[Wallet News] Election history reveals a perpetually glaring problem in America: low voter turnout among certain demographic groups, including young, minority and low-income citizens. Although demographic composition does not necessarily reflect Americans’ political conscience, the data historically have helped to predict voting behavior among different segments of society and consequently have impacted election outcomes. A recent Pew Research report, for instance, found that very different demographic groups support Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

In previous analyses of the U.S. electorate, WalletHub determined which states’ and metro areas’ populations most closely mirror the rest of the nation. We also compared the likeness of the U.S. with Iowa and New Hampshire. On the heels of those reports and ahead of this November’s presidential election, WalletHub’s analysts determined which of the 50 states’ voters are most demographically representative of their electorates. More specifically, we compared each state’s voter distribution to its electorate distribution by race, age and gender to determine the state’s Voter Representation Index. We then applied the same approach to determine the National Voter Representation Index, which compares U.S. voters to the national electorate based on four additional demographic categories: employment status, family income, educational attainment and marital status.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 05:35 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The premise here is that "representation" should be in lockstep with "demographics." I used scare quotes around both those words because both, with respect to the article's definitions, deserve it. Representation, should, of course, be decided by the electorate, that being defined as those who voted for and elected the representative, irrespective of demographics. Demographics should be properly defined as all groups, not just ones that get the article writers panties moist.

It's a faulty premise even if you use definitions of representation and demographics that everyone agrees upon. And never mind that in practice, everyone who gets elected, down to the dog catcher, seems to forget who elected them as quickly as possible. The stand-out exception is Orange Man, and you see how unhappy he makes everyone who didn't vote for him (and some who did, if you actually believe the LIE bovine egesta...)
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/13/2020 8:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Could be something as simply as being too lazy to get out of bed, but I suppose that doesn't print well.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 8:22 Comments || Top||

#3  Thanks MM all I can add is ditto.

The electorate is the demos and the demos is the electorate.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/13/2020 8:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Could be something as simply as being too lazy to get out of bed

Guess ah'm in a different demographic.
I was early in line when the polls opened today.
The 60 mile round trip was uneventful.
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/13/2020 11:30 Comments || Top||

#5  ^Yea, but you won't vote twice - and some of them will.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 12:02 Comments || Top||

#6  My voting attendance is mostly to vote "NO!!!" on whatever crackpot Citizen's Initiative is on the ballot...
Posted by: magpie || 10/13/2020 17:20 Comments || Top||


Joe Biden continues to age at warp speed on the campaign trail
[American Thinker] There’s a bad joke about a music scholar who visits Beethoven’s grave in Vienna. As he nears, he hears the Ninth Symphony being played backward. He turns to the cemetery caretaker and asks, "What’s that strange music?" The caretaker answers, "Oh, that’s just Beethoven de-composing." That joke pops into my mind every time I see photos of Joe Biden or hear him speak. On the one hand, Biden is holding up better than I would have expected a few months ago. On the other hand, no one can deny that the man is aging with incredible speed

Today, several people emailed me the same meme. I looked at it and saw a photo that purports to be Joe Biden, placed next to a picture of a monster character from Mattel named Skeletor:
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 05:27 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6475 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That man needs some carp pituitary glands stat!
Posted by: Vinegar Spolusing6485 || 10/13/2020 7:12 Comments || Top||

#2  The newly reassigned RBG medical team is certainly doing some amazing work.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 8:20 Comments || Top||

#3  ^Snark of the day?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 8:42 Comments || Top||

#4  The campaign circus does have a generally unacknowledged aspect... the stress will break any candidate who can't take the heat and pressure. "Biden-his-time" started out deeply flawed; any wonder he's cracking?
Posted by: Mercutio || 10/13/2020 10:18 Comments || Top||

#5  Not. wot
Posted by: Lord garth || 10/13/2020 10:19 Comments || Top||

#6  moved 7:35 PST
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2020 10:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Meanwhile at DNC HQ,
Posted by: Vinegar Spolusing6485 || 10/13/2020 10:35 Comments || Top||

#8  but the hair plugs are still going strong!
Posted by: Bob Grorong1136 || 10/13/2020 19:56 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Why won't the US government admit Iran funded the Benghazi attacks?
Ran into this NY Post article from 8/22/2020.
US intelligence agencies are sitting on a treasure trove of documents that detail Iran’s direct, material involvement in the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that cost the lives of four Americans. But until now, deep state bureaucrats have buried them under layers of classification, often without reason.

From CIA officers, military contractors, and sources within US Special Forces, I have learned of the existence of at least 50 briefing documents that warned of Iranian intelligence operations in Benghazi. Some specifically predicted an Iranian attack on US diplomats and US facilities. Those documents have remained inaccessible, including to the Select Committee on Benghazi chaired by former US Representative Trey Gowdy.

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Posted by: Ebbising Hupoth8296 || 10/13/2020 02:16 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6484 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  When I learned of the amazing accuracy of the mortar attack at Benghazi, I immediately suspected foreign tactical involvement. Kristian "Tanto" Paronto told me at a book signing that Assar al Sharia was behind the attack. He went on to explain frequently observed site target surveillance and GPS aspects. I believed him then. I believe him now.

Perhaps Qasem Soleimani could shed some light on the topic. Oh WAIT !

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 5:51 Comments || Top||

#2  A well coordinated attack with direct and indirect fire components along with a discreet assault element who very selectively got hard files and electronics, mainly in English. All of which points to a discreet command element as well.

No BS protest or Mickey Mouse movie and the date wasn't 'coincidence' either. It was well carried out and more than obviously rehearsed. Raids and ambushes be hard, once you get away from that set on the back lot that is.
Posted by: Cesare || 10/13/2020 7:21 Comments || Top||

#3  And, the enabler over here, madame secretary, is auditioning to be Joe's SecDef...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/13/2020 7:31 Comments || Top||

#4  And here I thought it was the Syrians, or maybe even Boris himself (although unlikely). We had some folks here that called out the Persians, perhaps correctly.
Posted by: Mullah Richard || 10/13/2020 8:21 Comments || Top||

#5  To protect the media, Muller-Comey, Bassturd Barry, Clinton and the DNC deep state CIA, State Department and DOJ.

All it boils down to.
Posted by: Woodrow || 10/13/2020 8:29 Comments || Top||

#6  /\ In a nutshell.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 8:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Q:who funded it?
A: What difference does it make?
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 10/13/2020 9:30 Comments || Top||

#8  It certainly makes the Obama briefing to Trump about the two greatest threats being NorK and Flynn seem cogent. After all, if Iran did this through a surrogate it would utterly reveal the depths of foreign influence ValJar, Huma, Brennan and the deep state towelheads had on our government and the willingness to hide this arrogant act of war. Flynn surely had to be silenced, and apparently still is...
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 10/13/2020 12:31 Comments || Top||


Government
Whistleblower Drops HARD Evidence, Biden, Obama, Hillary EXECUTED Seal Team 6, Audio Proof (video)
Alex Jones takes backseat.
[TheNextNewsNetwork] Anna Khait joins Gary Franchi to breakdown her bombshell tweet that is going viral across the web, “BREAKING: Allen Harrow Parrot (CIA whistleblower) tells Charles Woods (father of Tyrone Woods killed in Benghazi) that Obama and Biden sent Iran 152 Billion Dollars as a coverup for the deaths of Seal Team 6. Allen said that ALL of the proof will come out: documents and audio.” She's heard the audio and it implicates top Obama officials.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6492 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's possible. Anyone who would go to great lengths to take down a duly elected President is coup-coup and capable of anything.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2020 1:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Two things that happen aren't necessarily connected. Salt to taste.
Posted by: Ebbising Hupoth8296 || 10/13/2020 1:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Extreme OTT claims are used to cover up a smaller but unlikely truth.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 2:40 Comments || Top||

#4  Having some major difficulty with this one.

Mainly due to the fact all records indicate between $400M and $1.8 Billion in cash was sent by the Obama administration to IRAN. However, the EU nations unfroze about $50B and still far less than $150B.

Now if you wanted to argue the Obama $$$ was a Hostage Ransom deal I could go there.

Or IRAN had blackmail data against Hillary, that would have outed her Benghazi lies.

I could buy into either of those.


Posted by: NN2N1 || 10/13/2020 4:58 Comments || Top||

#5  The numerous questions surrounding the Abbottabad raid and the demise of UBL create fertile ground for conspiracy theories. Very difficult to sort it all out in the heavy fog. Perhaps that is the intent.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 5:10 Comments || Top||

#6  I have a hard time with the supposed connections and motivations in this. But I also have a very hard time with the fanciful tale that some lone Talib took time out from tampering with the livestock to make the greatest single shot in recorded history at a CH-47 with an RPG in the dark.

Yes, ANYTHING can and sure has happened once you so much as approach the line of departure. But there are sure a lot of unique coincidences in that take down, this individual story notwithstanding.
Posted by: Cesare || 10/13/2020 7:32 Comments || Top||

#7  ^Remember, in the Kosovo war, some Serb AA unit managed to knock down an F-117 with a 37mm cannon?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 10/13/2020 7:55 Comments || Top||

#8  the F117 did fly exactly the same route every day though
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/13/2020 8:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Ref #6: Article of interest from 2010. Just saying.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 8:10 Comments || Top||

#10  She's had speech training, so she's some kind of journalism pro.
For something really unlikely to happen just at a given--which is to say the wrong--time usually requires a number of independent unlikelihoods to be congruent.
Each of those is like a fraction. Chance is one in a hundred, so forth. For them, if random, to be congruent and at the same time random is like multiplying fractions. You get to a very small value very quickly.
As with Epstein: The facility has a terrific record a preventing suicides, which among other things means the guards don't goof off very often, if ever. The same night Epstein decides to off himself. The same day the surveillance media get screwed up.
If we're taking about the Shithook getting shot down...ROE keeping AC130 from shooting multiple targets. Ordinary chopper and not one of the NightStalkers. No arty or CAS prep. Random village didn't know a HVT was on the way but got ready to fight. Or they did know and we didn't know they were ready.
While lots of things are a matter of circumstance; don't have the resources you wish you had but you have to go, somebody screwed up, information simply lacking....but when they all get together to have somehthing which, statistically, shouldn't happen and which is very, very useful to Somebody, then you have to wonder.
My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew. There will always be somebody left with the info.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 10/13/2020 8:25 Comments || Top||

#11  /\ When I first learned of the Extortion-17 shoot down my first reaction was ST6 bravado. I have still not discounted the bravado factor. Other possibility was/is pre-planned Taliban complex attack.... read that, Quick Reaction Force (QRF) ambush. I would have liked (or disliked) a reading of the final investigation.

The QRF "Hey, lets mount up and go kick some arse" factor is often the father of fokups. Just say'n.

Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 8:32 Comments || Top||

#12  After digging into it several years ago, yes. Most of their families feel the same.

But the Iran involvement is a new one.
Posted by: Woodrow || 10/13/2020 8:35 Comments || Top||

#13  My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew.

Have you considered the Ambassador on a whistleblower fact finding trip to Hillary's arms smuggling operation might have been the real target?
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/13/2020 8:43 Comments || Top||

#14  /\ Let us not forget the administration talking point at the time:

With Preds overhead, six to nine hours "Not enough time" to conduct an extraction.



Posted by: Besoeker || 10/13/2020 9:06 Comments || Top||

#15  #7 I have shot more than 1 RPG, and had the priveledge of being very nearly shown across by one. They are good close up, much better if you are shooting. Shooting one at a Nighthawk, at night would not seem like a good return on effort.

#9 True, from what I understand myself there have been more than close calls. But it has always and to my knowledge continues to be represented as an RPG hit.

I reiterate, a single shot at a terraining Nighthawk...replete with tail gunner, at night. COULD it happen? Of course. But if it did it remains the single best shot anybody ever made with that weapon.

I don't see any plus to the former administration in any of this. I equally remember the news conference about O'hammy and thinking at the moment that they all ought keep their mouths shut. Certainly that helped to almost certainly target the unit, and as with Vietnam who can say about operational security.
Posted by: Cesare || 10/13/2020 10:45 Comments || Top||

#16  #10. My problem is what taking out the SEALs was supposed to do to benefit Obama and his crew. There will always be somebody left with the info.

It depends on what might have been going on in Benghazi that someone might want covered up. There was a CIA operation going on there. What they did is uncertain.

The survivors might have something to say about this.

Cui bono?
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/13/2020 11:29 Comments || Top||

#17  Skidmark. I was referring to taking out the SEALs.
I've said this elsewhere: I was at Bragg on a MATA course summer of 70. Cometh Dawson's Field--see wiki--and we were getting spun up. 82d's alert brigade. Anybody else with a Combat Arms MOS (iincluding me) confined to post and told to be ready. My brother, a C130 nav at Pope, told me he had his charts out.
The hostages were too spread out--not like those lucky IDF guys at Entebbe six years later--so we didn't go.
Point is, we know how to spin up and all it would have taken at Benghazi is a Spectre.
There was no stand down order.... Which you would have to have had if there had been a stand up order. So we didn't have a stand up order. WTF not?
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 10/13/2020 11:31 Comments || Top||

#18  Should some be confused by the churn of history, I submit this:

CH-47 shot down by an RPG rocket: second episode in less than two weeks


There are reader/lurkers here that are more familiar than I with these events...
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/13/2020 11:44 Comments || Top||

#19  A take from Newsweek on the RPG incident.

I understand Richard.
Wiki repeats a popular rumor that General Ham was recalled.

"Ham was in overall command of military forces when the September 11, 2012 terrorist attacks were launched on the American consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya. According to his June 2013 Congressional testimony, Ham chose not to deploy close air support during the attack, based on a lack of situational awareness about the circumstances on the ground. He denied the allegation by some Republicans that President Barack Obama or others in Obama's administration had ordered him to "stand down" a planned rescue mission that was ready to deploy."
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/13/2020 12:15 Comments || Top||

#20  Evidence be hard.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/13/2020 19:03 Comments || Top||

#21  OH NO, not another "bombshell". If it doesn't come from Trey Gowdy, then it ain't sheeeet.
Posted by: Clem || 10/13/2020 19:06 Comments || Top||



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