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Posted by: Besoeker || 10/30/2012 06:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [318 views] Top|| File under:


Africa North
Evidence Hillary Answered the 3:00 a.m. Call While Obama Hung Up
Posted by: tipper || 10/30/2012 03:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [983 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If evidence shows Panetta, Dempsey, et al recommended no action can their impeachment be far behind? Their best bet may be Barry's defeat and the fiscal cliff.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/30/2012 4:49 Comments || Top||

#2  “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on; without having some real-time information about what’s taking place,” Panetta told Pentagon reporters. “And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation.”

But they did "know what was going on". Knowing "what is going on", maintaining tactical and strategic situational awareness is part and parcel of their jobs. Not knowing is an admission of incompetence, of failure!

It was unmistakenly, a US Embassy take-down. They had more than "real-time information", he had live video INTELLIGENCE feeds amd reporting! Forces have been..."at risk" in Afghanistan and Iraq for decades. It's what soldiers, airmen, and Marines do. The "risk" he was concerned about was not to "forces" but to a man.

At a minimum, Penetta and the generals sensed a reluctant, dithering POTUS and simply provided him the recommendation he needed. The bulk of the mission, reportedly some 30 personnel (the exact figure has still not been released), had been successfully extracted. This would have been celebrated in the situation room. The plan may have been for everyone to EXFIL (exfiltrate) Benghazi on the OGA bird, but the two former SEALS decided to return to search for their boss the Ambassador. This proved their undoing.

The question of why Ambassador Stevens would have traveled to Benghazi on such a potentially dangerous date (9/11) remains unanswered. You may notice that the ribbon cutting ceremony reason for his travel, is no longer mentioned by the press or government officials.

Although the truth has been obstructed by bad weather and a shocking (black and white video) Joseph Stalin era campaign song sung by zombie children, this story is far from over. A far greater storm awaits this administration.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/30/2012 5:45 Comments || Top||

#3  “(The) basic principle is that you don’t deploy forces into harm’s way without knowing what’s going on Weasel wording.

Contrast that with mottos of the Navy Seals:

Contrast that with mottos of the Navy Seals: "Don't bother running, you will only die tired."

"Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit"
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/30/2012 7:48 Comments || Top||

#4  What I find interesting is the theory that they were denied the right to go into Libya by the Libyan government, which is the only thing that makes sense... but the fact that Libya hasn't been thrown under the bus by now confounds me.

I didn't believe the gunwalking theory initially but it's starting to look better and better when no other plausible explanation is forthcoming.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/30/2012 8:50 Comments || Top||

#5  My ignorance in anything about intelligence/combat, etc. is nada, none, zilch I admit.

without having some real-time information about what’s taking place


But, if you've got live video feeds while under attach, you got eyes above watching, you got top of the line communications which that CIA station probably has, ("Our eyes got poked out," I recall reading to quote a CIA guy), people whose job it is to put that altogether and you got a SEAL on the ground directing traffic, what more do you need?

In a radio interview with a former CIF operator, he said they had been sent in when sometimes all they had was a piece of paper with coordinates on it -- he said they would then go in, not knowing about the terrain of the location, what kind of building/s, even to not knowing how many people would be involved.

But then, I'm not the Sec Defense.
Posted by: Sherry || 10/30/2012 13:13 Comments || Top||

#6  The bottom line is ... we got hit by a surprise attack, the enemy pinpointed a weak area, they overwhelmed our OODA loop, and we lost the battle.

In spite of all of our technology - we are still vulnerable.
Posted by: Raider || 10/30/2012 14:34 Comments || Top||

#7  I've heard a bunch of places that the seals on site had painted the mortor that killed them with infrared targetting. Anyone know how we know that? It would seem that the only ones that would know are (a) dead (b) enemies (c) in an aircraft and probably forbidden to speak.

If that fact is true someone was watching and talking.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/30/2012 14:42 Comments || Top||

#8  With Obama in the Loop it seems to call

While OODA
If POTUS.BedTime(Obama) Then
Exit Loop
End If
Loop
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 10/30/2012 14:42 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: Flusosh Hupirong6665 || 10/30/2012 15:24 Comments || Top||

#10  @Raider

A surprise to who? Maybe to the Prez who did't attend his daily intelligence briefings prior to the attack. But it surely was not a surprise to Ambassador Stevens who "repeatedly sounded alarms to his superiors in Washington about the intensifying lawlessness and violence in Eastern Libya, where Stevens ultimately died."
Posted by: mossomo || 10/30/2012 16:29 Comments || Top||

#11  What's remiss is the fact 30 AMERICANS WERE LEFT FOR DEAD. Unforgivable.
Posted by: mossomo || 10/30/2012 16:31 Comments || Top||

#12  A small correction mossomo... they were not left for dead. They were left to DIE.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/30/2012 18:02 Comments || Top||

#13  It would've been much more better for the Admin to have sent in a rescue team that wasn't needed than to allow the mission to be violently or militarily besieged for nine hours wid US rescue assets only 30 minutes -one hour away.

Lest we fergit, the factionalism widin the post-Ghaddafi transitional govt. is such that Libyan Politicos were calling on the Bammer Admin = USA to assert more effective leadership or influence ala ending the intra-TRNC impasses. NOTHING SAYS "THE US/OBAMA IS HERE" THAN LIBYAN FACTIONS SEEING ARMED COBRAS, APACHES,OR "SPECTRES" FLYING OER THEIR HEADS, + HEAVILY ARMED US MARINES ANDOR SPECOPS ON THE GROUND.

We have not heard much on the MSM-Net or the WH about the Libyan rescue force that allegedly ran into ambush on the way.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/30/2012 21:12 Comments || Top||


Benghazi: Obama Emerges from the Fog of War
As usual, Bing West is spot on:
Our ambassador to Libya was killed in our own consulate in Benghazi on the night of September 11. For the next six weeks, President Obama repeated the same talking point: The morning after the attack, he ordered increased security in our embassies in the region.

Suddenly, on the campaign trail in Denver on October 26, he changed his story. "The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive," he said, "to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe."

Notice the repeated use of the present tense, implying that he gave the order during the attack. Mr. Obama met with his national-security team, including the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at 5:00 p.m. Washington time. For over an hour, the consulate staff had been constantly reporting that they were under assault by terrorists and Ambassador Chris Stevens was missing in action. In the White House, group-think leads to the mistaken assumption that the attackers are a spontaneous mob.

An hour after the attack has begun, the president orders the CIA and the military to do "whatever we need to do." Yet the CIA and the military do nothing, except send drones overhead to watch the seven-hour battle. A CIA employee and former Navy SEAL, Tyrone Woods, twice calls for military help. He has a laser rangefinder and is pinpointing enemy targets, radioing the coordinates. The military send no aircraft to attack the designated targets. Special Operations forces standing by, 480 miles away -- less than a two-hour plane ride -- are not deployed. Secretary of Defense Panetta later explained that this passivity was in keeping with a rule of warfare. "A basic principle," he said on October 25, "is you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on -- without having some real-time information about what's taking place."

Rarely has a spontaneous mob so thoroughly intimidated our nation. And so much for sending our squads out every day in Afghanistan on patrol, when they don't know what's going on. The next time a platoon is told to take an objective, some corporal will say, "SecDef says we don't have to go into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

Apart from the questionable philosophy of turning battle into a poker game where all cards are face up before anyone places a bet, Mr. Panetta ignored the fact that the former SEAL on the ground was giving real-time information to everyone listening in at least eight operations centers (the embassy in Tripoli, State, White House, Pentagon, CIA, Special Operations Command, Africa Command, and the National Ops Center).

The SecDef and the president have issued contradictory explanations. Either Mr. Obama ordered the Secretary of Defense to "do whatever we need to do," or he didn't. And either the secretary obeyed that order, or he didn't. And he didn't. It is also not clear whether the SecDef countermanded the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, who is the direct military adviser to the president. Did the president as commander-in-chief issue an unequivocal order that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs received but chose not to execute? Or did the chairman reply that he would do nothing?

Yet the general in charge of the Africa region has allegedly said he received no directive from Washington to dispatch military aid. Members of the mutual protective society of generals are offering the bizarre defense that our Africa Command could do nothing because it has no military assets; it's some sort of ghost command. Even if that is true, the most powerful nation in the world has sufficient forces and flexibility to send fighter aircraft over a consulate in flames, or to land some troops at the secure airport east of Benghazi. After all, our embassy in Tripoli, 400 miles away, sent an aircraft with six Americans to fight in Benghazi. But our base in Sigonella, 480 miles away, sent no help.

If General Dempsey had concluded that the U.S. military should do nothing, he would have reported his decision not to act back to his commander-in-chief before the latter went to bed to rest up for his campaign trip to Las Vegas the next day. After all, the ambassador was still missing. And brave Tyrone Woods was to die in a mortar attack five hours later. President Obama would naturally be more than a bit interested in why the military and the CIA did nothing after he explicitly ordered them "to make sure we are securing our personnel."

Surely it is in the president's best interests to release a copy of his order, which the military would have sent to hundreds in the chain of command. And if the president did not direct the NSC "to do whatever we need to do," then who was in charge? When the American ambassador is attacked and remains out of American hands for over seven hours as a battle rages -- and our military sends no aid -- either the crisis-response system inside the White House is incompetent, or top officials are covering up.
Posted by: Anymouse || 10/30/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [633 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What's the followup on the recalled Admiral?
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/30/2012 1:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Half-truths possibly. There might have been a bit more to the presidential instruction:

"make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do.....

....The use of kinetic action or deadly force is not authorized at this time.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/30/2012 5:04 Comments || Top||

#3  "Notice the repeated use of the present tense, implying that he gave the order during the attack."

“The minute I found out what was happening . . . I gave the directive,” he said, “to make sure we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do. I guarantee you everybody in the CIA and military knew the number-one priority was making sure our people are safe.”


Obama also uses the personal pronouns I, me, my and mine more than most--the language of the full blown narcissist.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/30/2012 7:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Except when he laying blame which is quite often.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/30/2012 7:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Obviously the fault lies with the phone system and the millionaires who run it profiting while our troops are in need of fresh information and morale boost from their government during tough times. Reelect me and you can be sure that the phone company involved and everyone deemed to have a phone will be made to pay for this action (or lack of action).
Posted by: The Prez || 10/30/2012 8:48 Comments || Top||

#6  LOL on that one.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/30/2012 9:24 Comments || Top||


Economy
Sandy’s Economic Toll is Massive
The economic toll from the vast storm Sandy on the U.S. East Coast is expected to be massive, with billions of dollars in damages.

One catastrophe assessment company, Eceqat, predicted the toll could hit $20 billion, with perhaps half of that amount covered by insurance. Sandy spawned widespread flooding and wind damage — especially in the northeastern state of New Jersey and New York City — before moving inland and weakening on Tuesday.

Large industrial manufacturers and oil refiners shut their operations all along the country's eastern seaboard. Hundreds of small businesses are inundated with floodwaters.

The New York Stock Exchange called off trading again on Tuesday, the first time the exchange has been closed for two days in a row because of the weather since 1888. More than 14,000 airline flights have been canceled.

Some analysts said the storm's economic impact could diminish the country's already sluggish economic growth, perhaps subtracting a tenth or two-tenths of a percentage point from the U.S. economy in the last three months of the year. But other economists said the losses would be offset as communities affected by the storm spend large sums to fix their roads and other infrastructure and manufacturers repair their facilities.

While the damage from Sandy is substantial, it pales in comparison to Hurricane Katrina, the monster 2005 storm that hit the southern U.S. shoreline near New Orleans. It caused $108 billion in damage and killed 1,200 people.
Posted by: Au Auric || 10/30/2012 10:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [430 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I remember back with Hurricane Irene the democrates were quite pleased with the prospect of jobs created to fix the damage which would be created; even NC Gov. Bev "don't need no elections" Perdue had to come out and say, "shaddup."
Posted by: swksvolFF || 10/30/2012 17:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Krugman was hoping Martians surfed in on Sandy with nukes at the ready to smash some serious glass.

/srsly
Posted by: Shipman || 10/30/2012 18:03 Comments || Top||

#3  Ah yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/30/2012 18:06 Comments || Top||

#4  I was just wondering: Would the Romney campaign be legally allowed to donate campaign money to the victims or not?
Posted by: European Conservative || 10/30/2012 18:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Doubtful, EC. But I'm sure he's already donated a lot of the money that he earned.
Posted by: Barbara || 10/30/2012 19:13 Comments || Top||

#6  How does the economic impact of Sandy compare to the last three years of Obamination?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/30/2012 20:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Would the Romney campaign be legally allowed to donate campaign money to the victims or not?

The Romney campaign is collecting canned goods and other non-perishables for those hit by the storm, European Conservative, which at this point is better than money.

I heard estimates today that about half the cost of rebuilding will be covered by insurance, for what that's worth.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/30/2012 20:39 Comments || Top||

#8  TW, which is good news unless you work for or invest in an insurance company.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 10/30/2012 21:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Thomas Sowell: Telling the truth slowly
Posted by: tipper || 10/30/2012 05:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [309 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. "Telling the truth slowing and moving on"....should be translated into Latin and offered as this administration's motto.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/30/2012 5:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Thomas Sowell is a gem.

Waterboarding might speed up the rate of truth-telling?
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/30/2012 7:34 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
LYONS: Obama needs to come clean on what happened in Benghazi
Retired Adm. James A. Lyons was commander in chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet and senior U.S. military representative to the United Nations.

There is an urgent need for full disclosure of what has become the “Benghazi Betrayal and Cover-up.” The Obama national security team, including CIA, DNI and the Pentagon, apparently watched and listened to the assault on the U.S. consulate and cries for help but did nothing. If someone had described a fictional situation with a similar scenario and described our leadership ignoring the pleas for help, I would have said it was not realistic—not in my America – but I would have been proven wrong.

We now know why Ambassador Christopher Stevens had to be in Benghazi the night of 9/11 to meet a Turkish representative, even though he feared for his safety. According to various reports, one of Stevens’ main missions in Libya was to facilitate the transfer of much of Gadhafi’s military equipment, including the deadly SA-7 – portable SAMs – to Islamists and other al Qaeda-affiliated groups fighting the Assad Regime in Syria. In an excellent article, Aaron Klein states that Stevens routinely used our Benghazi consulate (mission) to coordinate the Turkish, Saudi Arabian and Qatari governments’ support for insurgencies throughout the Middle East. Further, according to Egyptian security sources, Stevens played a “central role in recruiting Islamic jihadists to fight the Assad Regime in Syria.”

In another excellent article, Clare Lopez at RadicalIslam.org noted that there were two large warehouse-type buildings associated with our Benghazi mission. During the terrorist attack, the warehouses were probably looted. We do not know what was there and if it was being administrated by our two former Navy SEALs and the CIA operatives who were in Benghazi. Nonetheless, the equipment was going to hardline jihadis.

Once the attack commenced at 10:00 p.m. Libyan time (4:00 p.m. EST), we know the mission security staff immediately contacted Washington and our embassy in Tripoli. It now appears the White House, Pentagon, State Department, CIA, NDI, JCS and various other military commands monitored the entire battle in real time via frantic phone calls from our compound and video from an overhead drone. The cries for help and support went unanswered.

Posted by: tipper || 10/30/2012 18:25 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [325 views] Top|| File under: DFLP


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Tue 2012-10-30
  Israel Hit by 18 Rockets as Hamas Seeks Revenge
Mon 2012-10-29
  52 Dead in Syria Clashes, Air Raids after Eid Truce Collapses
Sun 2012-10-28
  Almost 150 Killed on First Day of Syria Truce
Sat 2012-10-27
  Indonesia foils plot to attack US missions
Fri 2012-10-26
  Afghanistan mosque suicide bomb attack kills at least 41
Thu 2012-10-25
  Israel says 79 rockets fired at it from Gaza
Wed 2012-10-24
  Libya fighters seize Bani Walid
Tue 2012-10-23
  Foreign jihadists pour into northern Mali
Mon 2012-10-22
  Men 'planned mass suicide attack'
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  Nigeria military nabs Bokoboy at senator's home
Sat 2012-10-20
  Leb: Wissam al-Hasan Assassinated in Beirut Bomb Blast
Fri 2012-10-19
  144 Dead as Syria Jets Blast Maaret al-Numan and Suicide Bomber Hits near Interior Ministry
Thu 2012-10-18
  Iranian-American Pleads Guilty to Plot to Kill Saudi Envoy to U.S.
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