BS. I think many "good Muslims" will start thinking about how heroic a "holy warrior" is who is hiding in a mansion in peaceful territory and using women as a human shield when martyrdom was knocking.
Posted by: European Conservative ||
05/04/2011 1:55 Comments ||
Ted Rall is in mourning that his Islamic superman got a bullet to the brain, and Americans are finally agreeing on something. His tears are delicious. This week keeps getting better and better. Whose next on the carousel of nitwit know-it-alls? I suspect Red Ken, Cindy Sheehan, and Michael Berg will be voicing their displeasure very soon.
So much pap. Much of it is not even truthful. I should remind Ted that Usama is dead after 10 years. If that isn't patience and perseverance, I don't know what is. It does not sound as if UBL died a hero's death--he threw a woman in front of himself at a Seal team member. He lived in relative luxury compared to his followers. He did not die a martyr. According to his son's book, he tried to persuade them to become suicide bombers which was declined. Why did UBL not become a suicide bomber himself if he wanted it done? Personally, I think he died a chicken$hit death. He cause untold deaths in this world. He was as bad as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.
Surely bad harvests last year due to a cold, wet spring in the northern hemisphere (Russia discontinued grain exports until further notice) followed by the major flood in Australia had something to with food prices rising?
Summer is dying time in ME.
Could you expand on that g(r)omgoru? Heat deaths, thirst deaths, hunger deaths, other?
The looks on Obama and Hillary's faces say...Son of a Bitch, you said there'd be no violence nor live rounds!
Posted by: jack salami ||
05/04/2011 9:44 Comments ||
I can tell you without looking - his body language says either (1) "I'm much more wonderful than anyone who has come before me" or (2) "Waaaaaah! You hurt my widdle feewings! I'll make you pay somehow!"
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut ||
05/04/2011 16:28 Comments ||
Around 800 Pakistanis rallied in Quetta on Tuesday over the death of Osama bin Laden. Were they celebrating the American action against this man who had twisted and hijacked their peaceful religion? Were they dancing in the streets and passing out candy because this man who had besmirched the image of Islam by connecting it with terrorism had at last passed from the scene?
No; they were chanting Death to America, burning an American flag, and mourning the death of a man they revered. Maulawi Asmatullah, whom Agence France-Presse identified as a federal lawmaker, led the rally, explaining: Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed.
It was illustrative of where Pakistan stands in the fight against the global jihad, and where it has stood since September 11, 2001. The U.S. has paid billions to Pakistan since then in order to aid the Pakistani governments fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban; it has been revealed, however, that much of that money has gone to those same organizations, and that the ISI, Pakistans spy service, has significant ties with al-Qaeda.
BY SHYEMA SAJJAD
It's not like I choose to always write when the president goes missing but as luck would have it, those are the only times worth speaking out. Where I have often called for the president and prime minister -- sometimes receiving a not-so-supportive response -- this time I believe my call is completely legit. After all, the late Osama bin Laden ... he's rotten and relatively soon to be forgotten... was killed (at least that's what the Americans said).
But first, I'll focus on our 'allies' a bit. As President B.O. started talking about how that "bright September day was darkened", American people began rejoicing and the scenes of celebration were similar to those I witnessed on St.Patrick's Day while in university -- except, instead of green accessories, there was a whole lot of stripes and stars involved here.
But that's okay. Why shouldn't the Americans celebrate? After all, nearly 3,000 of them were killed because of this man and his network -- it only made sense to run outside the White House with the US flag wrapped around their heads.
Did they for a second stop and ask for proof? No why would they, Obama saved the day (and his votes) -- that's all that mattered. I wish us Paks had that kind of blind trust on our leaders' statements. I mean think back to Hakimullah Mehsud -- Interior Minister Rehman Malik Pak politician, current Interior Minister under the Gilani administration. Malik is a former Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) intelligence officer who rose to head the FIA during Benazir Bhutto's second tenure. He later joined the Pak Peoples Party and was chief security officer to Bhutto. Malik was tossed from his FIA job in 1998 after documenting the breath-taking corruption of the Sharif family. By unhappy coincidence Näwaz Shärif became PM at just that moment and Malik moved to London one step ahead of the button men. killed him a couple of times and once even created his twin in Afghanistan... so I guess it's only natural for us not to believe anything coming out of our leadership (the fact that they didn't say anything at all yesterday, is a different story). But wait, why don't think the Americans think Iraq for a second. WMD anyone? And even Afghanistan? A decade there and still the most wanted man was found in Pakistain's backyard. Oops? Doesn't the US public want to question anything? Or was "DNA confirms Osama dead" enough? He was the most wanted man in the world, responsible for the death of thousands! And what did the US forces do? Secretly kill him and dump him in the sea. Seriously? As Obama was promising brighter days ahead, no one seemed to be concerned with 'what next', because we all do know that this 'war' is far being over.
Osama has been killed several times over the years, however, this time was different because we actually had visual proof..... of the 'mansion'....the helicopter....the blood-stained floors.... Yes, that should be enough now to know that this time he really was killed.
Assuming there are no loopholes in the US' great hunt story and going by what supposedly happened yesterday, fact remains that Osama was killed in Pakistain. Not a cave in some tribal border area but right here in Abbottabad. Obama spoke at around 8:30 am local time. Shortly after, Afghanistan's Caped President Karzai came out and said something which pretty much sounded like 'it wasn't me ... it wasn't me' and then the Indians seized the opportunity and spoke along the lines of 'told you so... told you so' -- so basically everyone got their turn at riding the Bash Pakistain bandwagon. And for good reason of course, yes, yes, no denying we do support terrorists, quite right.
So here comes my favourite part, while Osama was dying and Obama was doing the happy dance, where were you Pak leaders? Haven't you embarrassed us enough already? Until about 12:00pm yesterday, there was no word from Pakistain -- shortly after noon, the Foreign Office woke up and had some nice bits and pieces of information to share. Still no Gilani. No Zardari. No Kayani. ... four star general, current Chief of Army Staff of the Mighty Pak Army. Kayani is the former Director General of ISI... No Pasha.
Somewhere in the afternoon (after a nice sleep-in perhaps) Prime Minister Gilani came out only to say 'errr, I don't have any details yet...'. Okay then. Why didn't we have any details when Obama specifically in his address mentioned that this couldn't have been achieved without Pakistain's 'cooperation'? And what about Pakistain's mainstream media? Normally we are quick to jump and question everything but this time, our televisions ran tickers of statements coming in from the US while the local headlines focused on PML-Q's oath-taking at 7:00pm. And then of course there were clips of the 'mansion' and the blood-stained floors inside. Where were all your hard-hitting questions Pak media -- or do you only reserve those when it comes to our own leadership?
The US has a lot to answer but so far they have been giving us a great story, but what about our own government and establishment? We have nothing to celebrate for. We cannot take out our flags and run across the country because chances are some jacket wallah somewhere will mar that celebration anyway. Instead, we have a lot to worry about now (once again assuming Osama was killed yesterday). The al Qaeda backlash, the ISI's supposed intelligence failure, the Pak leadership's silence and the media's confusion. As for the world hating us a bit more, I don't think that'll be a real problem -- those who need to get their tickets out of here, normally do manage to find a way to do so anyway. For those of us who are stuck here meanwhile, ask questions. Ask why Osama was there, why no one knew, how the US knew, why we stayed silent and most of all, why do never ever cease to disappoint ourselves.
As an after thought, also do ask why more than anyone else failing or insulting us, it is our own security establishment that takes the cake each time.
Shyema Sajjad is the Deputy Editor at Dawn.com
Posted by: Fred ||
05/04/2011 00:00 ||
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Did they for a second stop and ask for proof? No why would they, Obama saved the day (and his votes) thats all that mattered. I wish us Pakistanis had that kind of blind trust on our leaders statements.
Americans are asking for proof. Show the damn picture. Be done with it. The hell with sensibilities. Initial results indicate he was UBL. One of his wives identified him. The SEAL team ID'd him. The death picture supposedly is him. Initial DNA results indicate it is him. Biometrics indicate it is him. Getting rid of the body at sea makes sense--no shrines for future jihadist wannabees. Besides no country seemed to want the body which is understandable.
We conquered Iraq on the mere threat of WMDs and the actuality of massive support of terrorism; the WMDs were subsequently found in abundance, labelled as insecticide.
Rather than worry whether or not President Obama provides proof of Mr. bin Laden's death, Mr. Sajjad and his compatriots ought to worry whether this American president will decide to use the actuality of Pakistani nukes, massive support of terror groups, and bin Laden's care and feeding by at least one faction of the Pakistani military establishment as an excuse to likewise conquer Pakistan. While rebuilding the country would take quite a bit more doing than did Iraq, the conquest itself would likely be no more difficult, given that the CIA has been resident there for the better part of a decade... and there is a kufr army just across the border in Afghanistan.
(Not that we're likely to go after Pakistan, but Barack Obama has been talking about it since 2007 or so.)
Osama bin Laden was never just the founder and leader of the group, but also an idea. He embodied the belief that their version of Islam was correct, that terrorism was the right weapon, and that they would ultimately be victorious.
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Before Bin Laden's killing, hardly 10% of pro-Taliban militants were fighting against Pakistan. That is, 90% disagreed with Pakistan's policy of aligning with the US in the "war on terror", but they chose to keep their focus on fighting foreign forces in Afghanistan. Bin Laden's death has invited the wrath of all groups.
For example, the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP - Pakistan Taliban), immediately announced it would avenge his death and declared Pakistan the number one enemy and the US as number two. On Monday evening, a suicide attack was carried out against police in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa province, in which Abbottabad is located. The TTP claimed responsibility.
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