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Talibs: Pak will surrender in Swat
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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Bank inside Euro Parliament Successfully Held Up at Gun Point.
Looked away at the scanning station?
Posted by: 3dc || 02/15/2009 17:39 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10795 views] Top|| File under:

Africa Subsaharan
As Zimbabwe's Unity Government Begins, Opposition Official Is Arrested
Posted by: Fred || 02/15/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10795 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Farce. A transparent one at that.

The ZimBob goons (a.k.a. veterans) want to evict the rest of white farmers for ZimBob 85th birthday, they think that ZimBobwe is not a shithole enuff.
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 02/15/2009 0:41 Comments || Top||

British and French Submarines Collide In N Atlantic
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/15/2009 21:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10796 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The mind boggles!
4 subs in all the worlds oceans and you run one of the 4 into another small power's nuke sub.

The odds...

Posted by: 3dc || 02/15/2009 21:43 Comments || Top||

#2  The French are playing "Crazy Jean?"
Posted by: imoyaro || 02/15/2009 21:54 Comments || Top||

#3  There goes the Big Ocean Theory¬ô......
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 02/15/2009 22:40 Comments || Top||

Europe's economic slump deeper than expected
PARIS: Europe sank even deeper into recession than the United States in the closing months of last year, according to figures published Friday, as finance ministers of leading industrialized nations gathered in one of the worst-affected countries, Italy, for discussions on the crisis.

In the fourth quarter, the economy of the countries sharing the euro declined by 1.5 percent, according to the European Union's statistics office. That is even worse than the 1 percent decline in the U.S. economy during that period, compared with the previous quarter.

"Today's data wipes out any illusion that the euro zone is getting off lightly in this global downturn," said Jörg Radeke, an economist at the Center for Economics and Business Research in London.
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Posted by: Steve White || 02/15/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Italy badly needs to devalue but can't obviously. Who drops the Euro first? Spain, Italy or Greece?
Posted by: .5MT || 02/15/2009 6:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Europe also performed more poorly than the United States

Give the One time.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/15/2009 6:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Who drops the Euro first? Spain, Italy or Greece?

Probably Ireland
Posted by: tipper || 02/15/2009 6:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Let's see..........

During a worldwide economic downturn, Europe is worse off than the U.S.

One of our major political parties' policies is to make us more like Europe, knowing full well that this is the case.

Have I got that right?
Posted by: no mo uro || 02/15/2009 7:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Europe sank even deeper into recession than the United States in the closing months of last year..

Han Solo: You said you wanted to be around when I made a mistake, well, this could be it, sweetheart.
Princess Leia: I take it back.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2009 7:41 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow Tipper, yeah, that happened suddenly. Still I have faith that Irelands economic structure is sounder than Italys in the medium to long-term.
Posted by: .5MT || 02/15/2009 8:10 Comments || Top||

#7  ...the recession, which started in the United States before spreading to most of the rest of the world.

Just one more thing for Europe to blame on us...
Posted by: Raj || 02/15/2009 8:41 Comments || Top||

#8  The G7 is just one more group like the UN and NATO that should only have one seat for Europe.

The EU wants to act like a nation than they should betreated as a single nation.
Posted by: AlanC || 02/15/2009 8:59 Comments || Top||

#9  ...the recession, which started in the United States before spreading to most of the rest of the world.

Just one more thing for Europe to blame on us...

...because they need someone the blame because their bankers and investors held a lot of bad paper (sub-primes et al) because investing in Europe has been made unsustainable by socialist governments and programs whom the Euros voted and continue to vote into power. Don't expect them to figure it out.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2009 12:12 Comments || Top||

#11  ...the recession, which started in the United States before spreading to most of the rest of the world.

Because despite the best efforts of various and sundry parties, our financial system is still more transparent than Europe's.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/15/2009 15:06 Comments || Top||

Home Front: Politix
Bye-bye, Winnie
A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back. The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."
He really knows how to piss-off our friends.
Diplomats were at first reluctant to discuss the whereabouts of the Churchill bronze, after its ejection from the seat of American power. But the British Embassy in Washington has now confirmed that it sits in the palatial residence of ambassador Sir Nigel Sheinwald, just down the road from Vice President Joe Biden's official residence. It is not clear whether the ambassador plans to keep it in Washington or send it back to London.

American politicians have made quoting Churchill, whose mother was American, something of an art form, but not Mr Obama, who prefers to cite the words and works of his hero Abraham Lincoln. Indeed a bust of Mr Lincoln now sits in the Oval Office where Epstein's Churchill once ruled the roost.
Churchill was very opposed to Socialism and any form of Tyrany. Obama apparantly doesn't want anyone around, even in a bust, who is greater than he ever will be. Talk about Ego!
Mr. Lincoln wasn't too fond of tyranny either, as I recall ...
Churchill has less happy connotations for Mr Obama than those American politicians who celebrate his wartime leadership. It was during Churchill's second premiership that Britain suppressed Kenya's Mau Mau rebellion. Among Kenyans allegedly tortured by the colonial regime included one Hussein Onyango Obama, the President's grandfather.
Note the "allegedly".
The rejection of the bust has left some British officials nervously reading the runes to see how much influence the UK can wield with the new regime in Washington.
My guess is none.
Now it is likely that Gordon Brown will offer a alternative symbol of Anglo-American fealty when he visits Washington to meet Mr Obama for the first time since he became President. Diplomats are still working to finalise a date for the visit which is expected in the final week of this month or early in March.

One suggestion, given Mr Obama's interest in the Lincoln era, is that Mr Brown should offer an artefact relating to the career of John Bright, the 19th Century MP and political reformer who became the most prominent British supporter of Lincoln's Union forces during the American Civil War.

A British Embassy spokesman said: "The bust of Sir Winston Churchill by Sir Jacob Epstein was uniquely lent to a foreign head of state, President George W Bush, from the Government Art Collection in the wake of 9/11 as a signal of the strong transatlantic relationship. It was lent for the first term of office of President Bush. When the President was elected for his second and final term, the loan was extended until January 2009.

"The new President has decided not to continue this loan and the bust has now been returned. It is on display at the Ambassador's Residence."
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 02/15/2009 17:10 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No doubt the special order Neville Chamberlain bust is en route.
Posted by: William Marcy Tweed || 02/15/2009 18:14 Comments || Top||

#2  I also doubt the current 10 Downing residents recognize him.
Posted by: Frank G || 02/15/2009 18:19 Comments || Top||

#3  So, Daddy was a commie and Grandpa a MauMau? This is going to be interesting.

This will not do much to harm our relationship with the Brits as I suspect Winnie is no more popular with Brown and Milliband than he was with Atlee or Bevan. And they are the ones who count, not those Little Englanders who want to get rid of the Asian immigrants.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2009 19:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Lotsa statues of Lenin available for cheap in E. Europe.
Posted by: ed || 02/15/2009 19:22 Comments || Top||

#5  I guess having a bust of his real heroes: Lenin, Stalin, Castro, Pol-Pot, and Che would be too obvious....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/15/2009 22:58 Comments || Top||

A New Role for Iraqi Militants: Patrons of the Arts
BAGHDAD -- Two years ago the American authorities arrested Sheik Mazin al-Saedi, a senior aide to the anti-American cleric Moktada al-Sadr, accusing him of organizing kidnappings and killings.

This week in Baghdad, the city once terrorized by those killings, Sheik Mazin mingled in a white-walled art gallery as the patron of an exhibition of paintings and sculptures that would not, exactly, be out of place in Chelsea or SoHo: abstract art, expressionist paintings and conceptual works larded with symbols of Iraq's ancient history and today's reality.

The goal was "to show the entire world that we are not as the media portrays us, a movement that believes only in bearing arms and knows no culture other than that of violence," Sheik Mazin said of Mr. Sadr's movement, which is widely blamed for its part in the violence that followed the American invasion in 2003. "The Sadr movement," he said, "is also one that believes in ideas and encourages and patronizes the arts."
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Posted by: Steve White || 02/15/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10795 views] Top|| File under:

Larijani wants gov't to loosen grip on econ
The Iranian Majlis Speaker says the government should loosen its grip on economic affairs and let the country move toward privatization.

"For the sake of the country's economic development, the government should allow the people to take control of economic affairs," said Ali Larijani.

According to Article 44 of the Iranian Constitution, the economic system shall be based on public, cooperative and private sectors, with proper and sound planning.

All large-scale industries, mother industries, foreign trade, large mines, banking, insurance, power supply, dams and large irrigation channels, radio and television, post, telegraph and telephone, aviation, shipping, roads, rails and the like, are public property and at the disposal of the government.

"The government, which now runs 80 percent of Iran's industrial sector, should only supervise affairs and allow economic problems to be resolved through national participation," Larijani continued.

He further stressed the necessity of implementing Article 44 of the Constitution to ensure Iran's economic development.
Posted by: Fred || 02/15/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  "...the government should loosen its grip on economic affairs and let the country move toward privatization. "

Gee, you think the Obamanation might get the hint?

Nah, me neither.
Posted by: AlanC || 02/15/2009 8:55 Comments || Top||

Home Front Economy
Jaded G7 passes the buck to G20
Posted by: tipper || 02/15/2009 17:32 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10795 views] Top|| File under:

GM, UAW talks break off; Chrysler talks stall
Posted by: tipper || 02/15/2009 09:22 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [10794 views] Top|| File under:

#1  that horse need too be shot
Posted by: rabid whitetail || 02/15/2009 10:07 Comments || Top||

#2  The union leadership believes their chips with the Donks says the American people are going to pay for their high end benefits with a continuing bailout, so why negotiate? /rhetorical question.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2009 10:40 Comments || Top||

#3  As a former union member in the 60's and 70's (AFL-CIO)I'm still convinced the UAW and the big two (didn't it used to be three) automakers have a death wish. Both seem intent upon wrecking our auto industry by refusing to negotiate in any realistic fashion. If this sh*t continues we will no longer have an auto industry, and both the unions and automakers will play the blame game. Just sayinn'...ya' know.
Posted by: WolfDog || 02/15/2009 11:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Nothin' at all like the steel industry, or the railroads, or the airlines, or the longshoremen, or...
Posted by: Fred || 02/15/2009 11:11 Comments || Top||

#5  Meanwhile, apparently no bitching or complaining laber problems on the Horizon at Princeton, Indiana Toyota, BMW Greenville, SC. or Benz, Tuscaloosa, AL.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/15/2009 11:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Having retired out of the auto industry (I was not in the UAW, so save your breath/fingers) I have a stake in this whole process and no say. I suspect I'll get a major reduction in pension but I am still working so is my wife. We'll survive. But having had to deal with people in the UAW on an almost daily basis for 30+ years I can say on pretty good authority that a lot of them have no grounding in the real world. Invariably their first reaction is always "the company's trying to fuck us"
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 02/15/2009 11:29 Comments || Top||

#7  CH, you're about the only guy I have sympathy for in this whole mess. For any body who stuck out 20+ years having to work with the UAW on a daily basis and then see it all go in the crapper is going to be very hard. For the dealers, senior management, marketers, and especially the UAW those guys deserve what they get for killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2009 12:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Greed and laziness. These things are killing our nation.

One of the few true economic laws is that you always get more of what you pay for.

The Zero is continuing to bail out failing banks that in many cases are victims of their own greed, qed more greed.

The Zero is implementing a roll-back of welfare reform, and pushing Card Check to empower the unions, qed more laziness.
Posted by: SR-71 || 02/15/2009 13:47 Comments || Top||

#9  besoeker i have been sayiing for quite some time now send the jobs down south, alot of ppl down here would work for less than these union ppl do now, if there is anything left too salvage after so much mismanagement that is
Posted by: rabid whitetail || 02/15/2009 14:58 Comments || Top||

#10  Bankruptcy will shut those unions up.
Posted by: OldSpook || 02/15/2009 15:24 Comments || Top||

#11  Most of the transplant auto assembly plants are in the south. Toyota USA workers get about the same hourly rate as GM workers. The benefits are in line with that of other heavy industry but much less than the gold-plated health care that the UAW demands and gets. Biggest issue: no union work rules.

But as long as the Wagner Act demands that unions act as adversaries to corporations, none of this is going to change. UAW can't change its spots.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/15/2009 15:39 Comments || Top||

#12  We'll miss ya, Big 3. You once provided value.
Posted by: Mike N. || 02/15/2009 16:58 Comments || Top||

#13  It's just a very dim memory now but it seems to me that presidents like Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon used to employ a technique called jawboning. They'd send some heavyweight guy to Detroit to get all these people to the same table and they'd stay there until a deal was made. No bailout. Just put the squeeze on both sides until they had a deal. I wonder if Zero ever heard of anything like that.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 02/15/2009 17:37 Comments || Top||

#14  My memory is that the jaw boning was done from the White House press room or the East Room in a presser where the President told management to cave. I don't remember a President ever coming down on a union.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/15/2009 19:21 Comments || Top||

#15  Well, there was Reagan and the air traffic controllers.
Posted by: lotp || 02/15/2009 19:48 Comments || Top||

#16  The ATCs were government employees, who like all government employees sign a paper understanding that to strike against the government is illegal. If and when we end up nationalizing the Big Three per the Obama-Reid-Pelosi Plan Part III, the UAW will find life a little more interesting [particularly the part where their pension gets managed by the feds - see what happened to the railroads].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/15/2009 20:05 Comments || Top||

#17  my dad retired from GM and is a union guy. We get into vehement arguments over this type of stuff. I think the union needs to go the way of the dodo. All the basic worker's rights they fought for back in the 30s-50s (when there was a need for a union) are all common laws now - the union needs to go away, they serve no real purpose anymore.
Posted by: Unens McGurque aka Broadhead6 || 02/15/2009 20:19 Comments || Top||

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  Talibs: Pak will surrender in Swat
Sat 2009-02-14
  Suspected U.S. Missile Strike Zaps 27
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  Canadian Muslim sentenced for firebombing Jewish institutions
Thu 2009-02-12
  Pak arrests 'main operator' in Mumbai attacks
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  Taliban Attack Afghan Government Buildings, Killing 20
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  Female Tamil Tiger bomber kills 28 after hiding among refugees
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  India wants Pak declared terrorist state
Sat 2009-02-07
  Russia allows transit of US military supplies
Fri 2009-02-06
  Islamabad High Court frees AQ Khan
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