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'We are English nationalists acting out of frustration': say yobs who set fire to the Koran
Posted by: tipper || 09/24/2010 05:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [410 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So we can now dismiss them because they are "yobs". nice
Posted by: Hupetle Tingle3648 || 09/24/2010 8:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like folks on both sides of the pond are getting upset with the islamists. The powers that are should take solace in that they only burned the Koran. In France the muzzies like to burn whatever seems to be handy--usually cars. I have a feeling that if the genie is ever let out of the bottle, there is still some Anglo-Saxon and Celtic blood in its people. Just as in America there is the blood of our forefathers and forebearers who created a country. The veneer of civilization is thinner than most people think. People are not that far from pitch forks, ropes, axes, and sickles.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 8:22 Comments || Top||

#3  The veneer of civilization is thinner

Soft lives make soft people. Short term a population can recover but after a few generations I fear not. Our 'best and brightest' are also our softest.
Posted by: Glenmore || 09/24/2010 8:51 Comments || Top||

#4  The veneer of civilization is thinner...

Well, I suggest that is the problem: we are only intent on maintaining the veneer of civilization, while ignoring the rotted, worm-ridden wood beneath.

Civilization does not mean the abjuration of force; it means applying it in ways that maximize the number of people who can enjoy peaceful, free lives. The failure to properly deal with the enemies of civilization will be the ruin of civilization.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/24/2010 10:47 Comments || Top||

#5  So instead of dealing with this and settling the questions of freedom of speech and the increasing pervasiveness of Islam in GB, they will simply marginalize them as yobs and pigeonhole the story.

Bout what I'd expect.
But there will be an increasing amount of this behavior. As resources get more and more scarce, people tend to make do for their own group, clan, what have you.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/24/2010 12:00 Comments || Top||

#6  On 9/11 2010 islamofascists publicly burned the Stars and Stripes in front of the US embassy in London. Police was present, they were not stopped. Rather the police protected them. link

And, since the article is bringing up Afghanistan, we should not forget that the US military burned bibles in Afghanistan with the expressed intent to suppress the message printed in these books.

Have the military or the administration issued an apology for this disrespectful act towards the Holy Book of a world religion?
Posted by: Omaing White7048 || 09/24/2010 13:23 Comments || Top||

#7  The veneer of civilization is thinner

Written by somebody who does not understand civilization.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/24/2010 14:19 Comments || Top||

#8  I don't know grom, I look at the various postings at this site and read various news sources and it does not seem as if the veneer goes too deep.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 15:42 Comments || Top||

#9  Civilized truly means knowing what behavior is appropriate for a dinner party and for barbarians. Caesar understood both as did Wellington and Grant.
Times are changing back to hard, so are attitudes.
Seems to me not a moment too soon. Folks inside the beltway need to take note.
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 09/24/2010 18:22 Comments || Top||


Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 19:18 Comments || Top||

#11  Can any Islamist snooper advise if a fatwa exists covering the following case of Koran destruction?
First I download from here.
Then I hit delete and send to recycle bin. Then I crunch contents of recycle bin along with some well chosen sacriligious PRON and send the lot into the ether as a sacrifice to God(en)
I know, I've got too much time on my hands.
Posted by: tipper || 09/24/2010 22:50 Comments || Top||

North Korea reshuffles officials
[Al Jazeera] North Korea has has announced a reshuffle of three bigshots just days before a crucial ruling communist party meeting that is expected to outline a change in the country's leadership.

State media on Thursday reported the promotion of three diplomats ahead of the Workers' Party of Korea meeting described as "historic".

All three of the newly promoted diplomats have been involved in international negotiations on the disarmament of North Korea's nuclear programme.

The announcement came as North Korea prepared for its biggest political meeting in decades. The meeting next week is expected to pave the way for a power transfer from Kim Jong-il, the North Korean leader, to his son, Kim Jong-un.

The Korea Central News Agency (KCNA) said Kang Sok-ju, the North Korean first vice-minister of foreign affairs, was made a vice-premier of the cabinet.

Kang, known to be overseeing Pyongyang's nuclear negotiations and diplomatic policies on the US, accompanied the North Korean leader during his visit to China last month.

Kim Kye-gwan, the country's chief negotiator in the six-nation nuclear disarmament talks, was picked to fill Kang's slot at the foreign ministry, while Ri Yong-ho, Kim's deputy in the talks, was named a vice-foreign minister.

The ruling party conference "for electing its supreme leadership body will take place in Pyongyang on September 28", the KCNA said on Tuesday. A similar congress held in 1980 confirmed Kim, the North Korean leader, as successor to his father Kim Il-sung, who died in 1994.

The conference, initially scheduled for early September and postponed without any explanation, is expected to put a new leadership line-up in place, spell out possible policy shifts and give top party posts to Jong-un's supporters.

Kim, 68, reportedly suffered a stroke in August 2008 and has visibly aged since then. Some reports say he also has kidney problems that require dialysis.
You get can sepsis from improper dialysis. Just sayin' ...
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [276 views] Top|| File under: Commies

NORKs & SKors on brink of war, Russian diplo warns
In Moscow's bleakest assessment of the situation on the Korean peninsula yet, Russian deputy foreign minister Alexei Borodavkin said tensions between the two countries were running at their highest and most dangerous level in a decade.
Say hello to your new neighbors, the SKors ...
"Tensions on the Korean Peninsula could not be any higher. The only next step is a conflict," he told foreign policy experts at a round table on the subject in Moscow.
Posted by: lotp || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [354 views] Top|| File under:





ARTIC > Chin Boat Skipper may be detained or held by Japan up thru 09/29th; + PERT MARK VALENCIA argues that BOTH NATIONS are putting themselves too deeply in this issue, + that IFF CHINA + JAPAN DON'T CHANGE THEIR STANCES ONE OR THE OTHER WILL END UP WID "EGG ON THEIR FACE"???





Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 1:47 Comments || Top||

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 1:50 Comments || Top||

#3  The war like barbarians north of the border must be happy as clams. The SKors are shitting their pants like a bunch of little girls.

What's so unusual about this?

Think they want our military out of there now?
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/24/2010 12:03 Comments || Top||

Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 19:08 Comments || Top||

#5  The SKors that own the dry-cleaning joints in N. VA and the Ma/Pa booze stores in MD are also soiling the unmentionables over this "issue" (not elevated to "crisis" status as yet)
Posted by: panaman47 @ verizon.com || 09/24/2010 21:16 Comments || Top||



ARTICLE FIVE > indics US is authorized to protect Japan including ANY + ALL TERRITORIES ADMINISTERED BY JAPAN.


Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 22:45 Comments || Top||

Demographics catch up to Italy
ROME, September 22, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- Europe will grow more "Islamicized" if Christian Europeans do not start having more children, and going back to Church, a senior Vatican official said this month. Msgr. Piero Gheddo, a famous missionary and an official with the Vatican's Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, told Zenit news service that Europe's indigenous inhabitants have abandoned Christianity and are becoming "paganized."

"The fact is that, as a people, we are becoming ever more pagan and the religious vacuum is inevitably filled by other proposals and religious forces," said Msgr. Gheddo, who founded AsiaNews, the Christian missionary news service. As religious practice diminishes in Christian Europe, "indifference spreads; Christianity and the Church are attacked."

"If we consider ourselves a Christian country, we should return to the practice of Christian life, which would also solve the problem of empty cradles."
Mark Steyn pointed this out previously: remember the Norman Rockwell styled painting of the big Italian families around the dinner table? The many children, grandma and grandpa ready to tuck into the pasta, the beaming mother, the proud father, the cousins, etc?

It's a myth today. The only way to have a dinner like that is to hire movie extras.

Italians, for reasons of secularism, despair, and apathy, aren't bothering to have families. It's all about self-fulfillment. That's nice but at some point you either believe that you have a society and culture worth perpetuating, or you don't.

The Italians don't.
Msgr. Gheddo pointed to demographic statistics showing that the population of native Italians is decreasing by 120,000 or 130,000 a year "because of abortion and broken families." At the same time, 200,000 legal immigrants a year are moving into Italy. More than half of these, he said, are Muslims who continue to have the large families that Italians now eschew.

"Newspapers and television programs never speak of this," he said. "However, an answer must be given above all in the religious and cultural fields and in the area of identity."
Newspapers won't speak of it indeed -- first, the reporters and editors agree that Italian culture and society aren't worth perpetuating, and second, they themselves have both into the current apathy. They're likely to be childless or with one and only one child. It's not a surprise. To speak of it also raises the risk of going outside the 'narrative' (being un-PC if you will) -- the narrative of "West, bad, all other cultures, good". One can't do that and work in the MSM.
Msgr. Gheddo was responding to the taunts of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, who angered many on a recent official visit to Italy when he said that Europe should convert to Islam. He gave a lecture to 500 young women, who had been paid to attend, in which he urged them to convert and offered to find them Muslim husbands in Libya.
And jobs as bodyguards ...
The comments were denounced by Archbishop Robert Sarah, secretary of the Vatican Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, who called them a "provocation."
The good bishop is just being a neanderthal, backward, bigot. He'll be re-educated in the near future.
But Msgr. Gheddo warned that the provocation could well have been a mere prediction.

"No newspaper -- except Avvenire, the newspaper of the Italian Episcopal Conference -- has seriously taken into consideration how to respond to this challenge of Islam, which sooner or later will conquer the majority in Europe," he said.
Islam is just one facet of the challenge -- there will be a vacuum in Europe, and that vacuum will be filled. If the Huns and Visigoths were still around and heading east from the steppes of Asia, they would be the ones to fill that vacuum, and western cities would once again be sacked. Instead the pressure will come from Africa. Most, but not all, of the people who move into Europe will be Muslims. That 'most' will be enough to create a Eurabia.

But the fundamental challenge is whether Europeans, as they presently are, believe that they have a culture worth preserving, nurturing and carrying forward into the next several generations. It's an open question, and many Europeans would point to their history over the past millennium, particularly the 20th century, and respond in the negative.
Recent surveys conducted in Italy by local Catholic dioceses have found that the much-quoted number of Italians claiming to attend Mass weekly, 30 percent, can be deceptive. In Venice, it was discovered that the number of those actually attending is closer to 18 percent, and the numbers drop dramatically among younger Italians.
Young Italians haven't been nurtured in the Church -- indeed, they haven't been nurtured in much of any belief at all except the usual socialistic garbage that's been proffered the last fifty years. It's no wonder that they're not inclined to attend Church and have little in the way of fixed beliefs. Qaddafi is unfortunately right in one way: he understands that when the battle is between something and nothing, something almost always wins. In this case the something is Islam, which offers people something to believe, versus secularism, which offers nothing.
Although the Italian birth rate has crept up in recent years, from being the lowest in Europe at 1.2 children per woman, it still sits at only 1.31, a level sometimes referred to by demographers as the "death spiral," in which a society's population will inevitably begin to shrink.

Piero Gheddo is the author of over 80 books on the conditions of people in the developing world, with the first being published in 1956. In a recent blog post, Fr. Gheddo, who refers to himself as a "missionary journalist," decried the closure of Christian youth facilities and churches and the deterioration of schools and family life due to high Italian divorce rates.

What, he asks, has the "so-called 'secular morality' thing" done for young people?

"It replaced the [Church-run youth facilities] with the clubs that many call centers of distribution of alcohol and drugs." Secularism has created a culture in which teenagers run wild, a new phenomenon in Italy. The culture promoted in these clubs, he said, is one in which "perversion and chaos and spiritual emptiness reign supreme."
That's the nothing-ness of current socialism and secularism. We've created a void.
"Drugs, alcohol, free sex and psychedelic music for hours at high volume are some 'diversions' that kids seek and find allowed in these places, which are sometimes encouraged and financed by local governments."

"All this is the fruit of our civilization ever more distant from God and then from the education of young people."
One need not be a Christian, or a European, to find the trend of Europe, socialism and secularism profoundly disturbing. It is what the progressive Left would do to the United States, and indeed, it's very much along the lines of what our present administration would like to advance.

Secularism and socialism can't offer a life that can answer fundamental questions in peoples' souls. Whether a secular, socialist society dies in war and apocalypse or whether dies in a demographic whimper, die it will.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/24/2010 11:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [513 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I was taught by my Parents that i should only have Children if i could afford them.Muslims are taught to have as many as possible as to spread Islam and rob the West!
Posted by: Paul2 || 09/24/2010 12:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Italians, for reasons of secularism, despair, and apathy, aren't bothering to have families. It's all about self-fulfillment.

It's not just Italy, it's the West. Medical science's triumph over deadly complications of child birth and reduction of infant mortality coupled at the same time of the introduction of state support of the elderly removed the historical need for large families. Unintended consequences. Consider it social ecology in which fundamental aspects were altered with 'good intentions' but without fore thought of implications.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/24/2010 12:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Having children (or declining to do so) is a political act.
Posted by: Iblis || 09/24/2010 12:28 Comments || Top||

#4  When nations reach a particular economic plateau, they universally drop their birthrate to between 2.1 and 2.3. It happens automatically.

However, government and culture can lower it much further, by putting increasing demands on potential parents. Often these are unintentional, trying to raise the living standard of children.

But the end result is the same. Every effort results in smaller families, and more people deciding to have no children at all.

On the US has ever, temporarily, come up with a way around this problem. It resulted in the baby boom after WWII, and required very specific criteria.

1) Men and women were kept apart (because of the war) until they had the strong goal to get married and have children. There was a strong social sanction against having children outside of marriage. No abortion, and little birth control.

2) Most employment was in new cities, with little recreation, and abundant housing and ob/gyn medical care. Men worked, women didn't. Both were bored. The new cities were family oriented, and there was a minimum of "non-breeding" adults in the area.

But, though the circumstances that brought about the baby boom were pretty much spontaneous, the US government then began a very determined program which stopped it in its tracks, and moved the nation back to a less-than-replacement demographic.

This involved encouraging women moving into the workforce while raising taxes to coerce them into the workforce, encouraging easy credit and materialism, providing abundant birth control, and then abortion.

The culture then provided abundant recreation and entertainment, sought to discourage "large" families, and encouraged "sexual freedom" as different from procreation.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/24/2010 12:40 Comments || Top||

#5  I was taught by my Parents that i should only have Children if i could afford them.

Holidays and entertainment cost so much these days, how can one afford to have children in addition, right?

It is repeated ad nauseum in the American press that it now costs about a quarter of a million dollars to rear an infant to adulthood, not including the cost of the necessary university education. This, of course, is bloody nonsense. It may well cost that much to rear the child in a certain standard of living that includes new designer sneakers, the matching iPod, and individual bedrooms in a McMansion in the suburbs, but careful shopping for what is now called 'vintage' clothing, an off-brand music thingy, and bunkbeds in a cozy house in decent school district will accomplish the same goals of amusement, shod feet, and a rain-free head at a considerably lower cost.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 13:34 Comments || Top||

#6  TW

In UK it seems to be the unemployed families that have big families as the state pays extra for each kid.

Anyone with a mortgage have to work throughout their adulthood whilst people in social housing dont bother as their rent and council tax are paid for if they dont work!

Which one has the easier life?
Posted by: Paul D || 09/24/2010 15:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Drugs, alcohol, free sex and psychedelic music...

Typical lunch break for the UAW.
Posted by: Infidel || 09/24/2010 15:59 Comments || Top||

#8  Paul D., responsible people chose to work, and arrange their lives to make use of the income. Why live in a council flat when one can afford something nicer, why live in a flat when one can afford to buy one's own house? People like us do not work in order to be able to live when, as you say, life on the dole is an alternative; people like us live as nice lives as the salary for the work we would do anyway allows. The only question is those foolish enough to live at the very edge or beyond their income, but even they would still be working anyway, since even they could easily quit their jobs and join the lotus eaters living in council flats on the dole.

Take joy in being someone who has chosen his own destiny. To do otherwise would be to destroy your soul.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 16:09 Comments || Top||

#9  TW

I wish i could say it was only the muslim immigrants with the big families and unemployed.

Thanks to Labour we have become welfare heaven!

Posted by: Paul D || 09/24/2010 18:08 Comments || Top||

#10  I think of having a kid as a leap of faith. Faith in God, faith in one's self and faith in your spouse (I said spouse, not partner). Question is: Do you have faith?
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 09/24/2010 19:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Paul D., we on the far side of the pond hope the Tories will act to reduce the number on the dole. Let us know how that goes, 'k?
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 19:21 Comments || Top||

#12  It has little to do with going to church.
How the hell are you supposed to feed and cloth and educate 8 kids in this day and age? A 4 or 5 bedroom house to house them in a decent neighborhood? Shoes and clothes and school supplies?
Christ almighty, you better hope you hit the lotto!
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/24/2010 19:55 Comments || Top||

#13  Oh please, the cost of raising children is now is much lower than when I was young and I'm not that old.

The price of clothes, shoes, and food is less than ever. Shirts and shoes are less than $10; pants $20. A decent outfit can be purchased for under a 100 bucks. It cost me $200 to buy a crappy suit for my College visits, and when I moved to campus I took all of my clothes, which filled less then half a closet.

Food is even less. 50# of rice less than $20. A gallon of milk has been $3 for thirty years. A loaf of bread can be made for a quarter's worth of ingredients. The microwave and dish washer creates time that was not available in the past.

Transportation costs so much less. Gas was over a dollar a gallon and my truck with 60k miles used three times more than my car with 200k miles does now. Good tires lasted 20k miles, versus 80k today. I can't even imagine how much money is not being spent repairing modern vehicles that we had to spend in the past.

The marginal cost of buying or renting in a decent school district vs a crappy one is a cost, but not more than in the past.

There is no comparison to the Commodore 64 computer that I bought for $200 30 years back vs last month's $200 netbook.

Are there lots of ways to blow your pay on expensive stuff. Ipods, restaurants, designer jeans, gaming systems. Sure. Choose not to.
Posted by: rammer || 09/24/2010 21:26 Comments || Top||

#14  Christ almighty, you better hope you hit the lotto!

Or be in a union.
Posted by: Pappy || 09/24/2010 21:33 Comments || Top||

#15  well, when our 2nd was born, it didn't cost us any more to live than it did before the wife was preggers... we still spent almost everything we made and didn't have much extra to show at the end of the month - same as all our childless friends.

the difference is that we spent more on what we needed instead of just blowing it on shiny objects and toys for ourselves. the eating out almost every night took a hit too.

somewhere along the way we learned to save and squirrel away some of the booty.

our single and childless friends still blow it all and live check to check. i would say that not having kids is costing them.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 09/24/2010 21:36 Comments || Top||

#16  It's nothing to do with Christianity, it's a global trend.

Israel - exluding the Haredis who do little else but have children while getting handouts, Jewish birthrate quite low

Japan - overwhelmingly Shinto/Buddhist - massively low birth rate, aging population

Russia - Orthodox Christian - population already declining

India - The wealthiest and most developed states in India already have birthrates at or below replacement level, all the population growth is coming from the poorest states in India like Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.

Even the more Urban/educated Muslim countries like Iran and Algeria are recording massive drops in birth rates in just the last couple decades.
Posted by: Gaz || 09/24/2010 23:09 Comments || Top||

#17  It's going to be an interesting dynamic when Social Security et al go down and the unmotivated unemployed kids eat through their parents capital and will find that they now have to support mom and dad. Mom and dad probably will discover that maybe an extra kid or two would have provided better options for long term support.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/24/2010 23:10 Comments || Top||

#18  maybe an extra kid or two

by different spouses seems to be the trend, ensuring variegated results and almost unanimous animosity between and betwixt the various parent-child-step-monster members spiced up with legal battles. Oh joy, I think a cyanide pill when Im ninety sounds more feasible.
Posted by: Ding a dang ding || 09/24/2010 23:23 Comments || Top||

#19  Israel - exluding the Haredis who do little else but have children while getting handouts, Jewish birthrate quite low

Gaz, the last time I read something about that, the Jews of Israel had birthrates resembling where they (or their ancestors) had come from. It's not just the Haredis who have high birthrates, but the Jews from Arab and African countries, and also the Settlers, who are mostly Modern Orthodox, as far as I can tell -- at least they eagerly send their children to do their Army service. Or did I miss something?
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 23:27 Comments || Top||

#20  Oh, and what rammer said. Although the cost of tertiary education and music lessons and Hebrew School have definitely gone up, but those are optional.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 23:29 Comments || Top||

EU Parliament Votes To Ease Deporting Illegal Pakistanis
The European Parliament has approved a controversial agreement that will make it easier for EU nations to return illegal immigrants from Pakistan back to their homeland.

The European Parliament backed the readmission accord Tuesday with a vote of 382 to 250. Twenty-three members opted not to vote.

Under the accord, any EU readmission request not answered by Pakistan within 60 days will be considered accepted. Pakistan also will have to justify any refusal for readmission.

Some members of the European Parliament strongly opposed the agreement on human rights grounds. Opponents argued that Pakistan does not comply with relevant human rights standards and has not signed the Geneva Convention on Refugees, which prevents governments from deporting people at risk of torture.

Once ratified, the new rules will apply only to those who enter the EU illegally after the accord goes into effect.

The European Commission estimates that about 13,000 Pakistani citizens have been arrested in EU nations without proper documentation.

The measure calls for the EU and Pakistan to engage in dialogue on legal immigration and visa policy.

The European Parliament's approval of the agreement follows eight years of negotiation with Pakistan.
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"Undeniable high point" in Islamist Threats to France
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [258 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fantasy headline: "France says the islamists will be deported or destroyed if they threaten France. We are not going to put up with anymore of this merde."
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 8:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I've seen no body evidence which might point to the existance of an effective substitute for the permanence of "destroyed." Put me down as voting for "destroyed" John.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/24/2010 9:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Type "Muslims threaten" into your favorite search engine. 5,837,432 hits in .35 seconds.

Posted by: Infidel || 09/24/2010 11:05 Comments || Top||

Alert over Ayodhya mosque ruling
A RULING on whether Hindus or Muslims own land around a controversial demolished mosque has been delayed by order of India's Supreme Court.

It told a lower court in the north of the country to defer its verdict for fear it could spark widespread sectarian rioting.

The move comes as a relief for the government, which already has its hands full dealing with a separatist rebellion in Kashmir and is rushing against the clock to set right preparations for the Commonwealth Games.

The decades-old case over the 16th century Babri mosque in Uttar Pradesh is one of the biggest security challenges in India this year, along with a Maoist insurgency and a Kashmiri rebellion, prime minister Manmohan Singh has said.

Hindu mobs demolished the mosque in the town of Ayodhya in 1992, claiming it was built on the birthplace of their god-king Rama. The demolition triggered the worst religious riots since partition in 1947, claiming the lives of an estimated 2,000 people.

But the Supreme Court prevented the lower court from delivering its judgment scheduled for today and it is now unclear when the ruling will eventually be published
Posted by: lotp || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [279 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like the Indians have been around the Muslims long enought to know how to deal with them.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 09/24/2010 20:38 Comments || Top||

Al-Hashemi, U.S. commander discuss Iraqi forces rehabilitation
BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: Iraqi Vice President Tareq al-Hashemi discussed on Thursday with deputy commander of U.S. forces in Iraq for training affairs the rehabilitation of Iraqi security forces, according to a statement released from the al-Hashemi’s media office.

“The vice president stressed that managing the security file needs a real and comprehensive revision, in addition to studying the armed forces’ condition,” said the statement received by Aswat al-Iraq news agency.

“Al-Hashemi has been updated with the details of the U.S. forces, which will remain in the country until October 2011,” it continued.
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'Israel flotilla raid was unlawful'
[Al Jazeera] The UN Human Rights Council's fact-finding mission has accused Israeli forces of violating international law when they raided a Gazoo-bound aid flotilla.
That would be the UN Human Rights Council made up of countries that have horrendous human rights records? How droll they are, to be sure. Separately, just because the UN says it, does not make it so. I believe it was Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan who recently noted that in the past the Gaza Flotilla would have led to war between Turkey and Israel. And indeed, it was an act of war by the Turkish government, which makes Israel's response well within the customs of "international law".
The three UN-appointed human rights experts said in a report released on Wednesday that Israeli forces showed "incredible violence" during and after their raid on the aid flotilla that left eight Turkish muscle and one Turkish-American killed.

The UN probe said there was "clear evidence to support prosecutions" against Israel for "wilful killing" and torture committed when its troops stormed the aid flotilla last May.

Israel's military response to the flotilla "betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality" and violated international law "including international humanitarian and human rights law." The three-member panel said.

"The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel towards the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence."

The report is scheduled to be debated by the Human Rights Council on Monday.

The report also rejected Israel's stance that its forces acted in self-defence when they raided the flotilla, arguing that even those who did not attempt to stop Israeli soldiers from boarding the aid ships "received injuries, including fatal injuries."

"It is apparent that no effort was made to minimise injuries at certain states of the operation and that the use of live fire was done in an extensive and arbitrary manner. The circumstances of the killing of at least six of the passengers were in a manner consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution."

Israel's reaction

Israel rejected the report as "biased" and "one-sided."

"The report... is as biased and as one sided as the body that has produced it," the statement said.

"Israel... is of the opinion that the flotilla incident is amply and sufficiently investigated as it is. All additional dealing with this issue is superfluous and unproductive."

Israel insisted that it acted in line with international law, arguing that it had the right to retaliate against ships attempting to breach its blockade of the impoverished Gazoo Strip.

The infamous However...
the panel said that since Gazoo was suffering from a humanitarian crisis on the day of the deadly raid, for this reason alone, Israel's blockade is unlawful and cannot be sustained in law.

Hamas, always the voice of sweet reason, welcomed the report and told Al Jazeera that the findings show that Israel's occupation of Paleostinian territories violates human rights.

"More should now be done, the commander who led the raid should be taken to International Criminal Court." Hamas said.

The fact-finding mission, chaired by Karl Hudson-Phillips, former judge of the International Criminal Court in The Hague, had travelled to Turkey, Jordan and Britain to interview witnesses and officials for the probe.

Desmond de Silva, former chief prosecutor of the Sierra Leone War Crimes Tribunal, and Shanthi Dairiam, as Malaysian human rights expert, are the other members of the panel.
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [373 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  When it comes right down to it, this absurdity is analogous to a homeowner being arrested for defending their home...the absurdity the globalist welcome.
Posted by: HammerHead || 09/24/2010 10:51 Comments || Top||

#2  and whose law is that?
Posted by: Phock the Bald4304 || 09/24/2010 16:48 Comments || Top||

#3  "and whose law is that?"

The law of the "We hate the Jooooooz" crowd, of course, Phock.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/24/2010 16:59 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess that only leaves Israel one option - to nuke Gaza until there's nothing living within five miles of the place, including offshore and in Egypt. Or would that also violate someone's "human rights"? Perhaps they should send the Mossad to take out the idiots that made this report.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 09/24/2010 23:02 Comments || Top||

Southeast Asia
Escaped Jemaa Islamiyah leader returned to Singapore
Singapore's government said the suspected leader of the Singapore wing of the al Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah terrorist group is back in its custody two-and-a-half years after a daring jailbreak.

The Home Ministry said Mas Selamat Kastari is "currently under investigation" and being held under the country's Internal Security Act, which allows for detention without trial. Malaysian police deported the suspect Friday—nearly 18 months after capturing him in southern Malaysia.
More from Channel News Asia:
SINGAPORE: Mas Selamat Kastari, the leader of the Singapore Jemaah Islamiyah terrorist network, was handed over on Friday to Singapore custody by the Malaysian authorities.

Mas Selamat had escaped from Singapore's Whitley Road Detention Centre on February 27, 2008 but was arrested in Malaysia's southern state of Johor on April 1, 2009 and detained under Malaysia's Internal Security Act until his repatriation on Friday.
Clearly the Malaysian authorities had questions of their own for Mr. Selamat.
Singapore officials said Mas Selamat was part of a plot to hijack an airliner in Bangkok and crash it into Singapore's Changi airport in 2001, following the September 11 attacks that year in the United States.

Mas Selamat then fled Singapore in December 2001 after a security operation against Jemaah Islamiyah but was arrested on 3 February 2003 at Tanjung Pinang on the Indonesian island of Bintan.
A busy man.
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Indonesian policeman quit force to to become Al Qaeda trainer
[AFP] Jakarta - An Indonesian police officer who quit the force to become a terrorist said on Thursday he was affiliated to Al-Qaeda and had trained about 170 militants to wage jihad, or "holy war". Mohammed Sofyan Tsauri, 34, made the comments to reporters as he appeared at a court near Jakarta for the start of his trial on terrorism-related charges.

"I'm affiliated with Al-Qaeda and in contact with Abu Sayyaf," he said, referring to Osama bin Laden's network and a Philippines-based Islamist militant outfit. "I became a terrorist after I quit the police (in 2008)... What I've done isn't an act of terror, it's an obligatory religious activity ordered by God."

Tsauri, alias Abu Ayyash, was arrested earlier this year as part of a sweep of Islamist militants linked to a training camp that was discovered in February in Aceh province. The camp was under the command of Indonesian terror mastermind Dulmatin, one of the architects of the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people. Dulmatin was killed by police in March.

The former police officer could face the death sentence if convicted of charges including supplying weapons for terrorist acts.

Tsauri said God guided him to meet Dulmatin in 2008 and join his effort to set up a new terrorist network in Aceh province, the most devoutly Islamic part of the mainly Muslim archipelago. His activities included recruiting former rebels from Aceh's disbanded separatist movement to the jihadists' cause, supplying weapons and conducting military-style training. "I have trained about 100 people in early 2009 and on another occasion there were about 67 people," he said.

Indonesia's jihadist "factions" had agreed to change tactics from indiscriminate, Bali-style bombings to more focused gun attacks that would minimise Muslim casualties, he said. He was not specific about the group's targets, but said they included foreigners. "You should understand already that Al-Qaeda has always had foreign targets," Tsauri said.

"We changed our pattern from bomb attacks to a war with guns. With guns, we can be more focused on our target but bombs can hit civilians. The jihadist factions in Indonesia agreed on this method."

He said he was betrayed by his Islamist cohorts once police got wind of their activities and started rounding up and killing members of the cell. "I have been cheated by them. I became a scapegoat for their failure in Aceh," he said.

Prosecutor Totok Bambang told the court Tsauri had led training exercises and supplied weapons to the group.

Indonesia has been hit by a number of deadly bombings including attacks on luxury hotels, the Australian embassy and tourist spots that have killed around 250 people since 2002.
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#1  Expect your bonus any day.
Posted by: bigjim-CA || 09/24/2010 19:57 Comments || Top||

#2  If you murder in god's name, you are NOT worshiping god, justyourself.
So don't be surprised when others Kill YOU also in god's name.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 09/24/2010 23:02 Comments || Top||

Vigilantes vow to stop 'Christianization' of Indonesia
[Al Arabiya] A heated debate accompanied by a surge of violence hit Indonesia last week after a congregation of Christians announced its intentions to build a church in the city of Bekasi.

As calls to stop the "Islamization" of America resonated in the United States in protest to building an Islamic center near Ground Zero, similar initiatives were launched to stop the "Christianization" of Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslin country.

The protests came after a small Christian group in Bekasi, West Java, announced the construction of a church. The group, an Arab news channel reported, obtained the necessary signatures from local residents.

The announcement triggered a wave of violence by Islamist vigilantes who call themselves the Islamic Defenders' Front, also known as FPI, rallied in Bekasi and called upon the residents to withdraw their approvals.

The rally turned violent as two leaders of the Christian congregation were critically wounded, a church elder was stabbed in the stomach, and a female priest was hit on the head with a plank.

Murhali Barda, head of the FPI Bekasi branch, was arrested on suspicion of masterminding the attacks.

Police say Barda could face up to 12 years in jail if proven guilty of assault and inciting sectarian violence.

"The FPI's chief is accused of inciting people to do violence against others," Jakarta police spokesman Boy Rafli told AFP.

Islamic Defenders' Front
Barda has made earlier statements inciting violence against Christians, In June, he warned Muslims of possible Christian plans against them.

"All Muslims should unite and be on guard," he told the Jakarta Globe. "The Christians are up to something."

He also recommended that mosques start training their own militias in order to be ready to fight attempts at the "Christianization" of Indonesia.

Members of the Bekasi Christian congregation refused the local officials' suggestion that they perform their Sunday service in a remote location. Instead, they prayed in a building whose windows were boarded up and were surrounded by police officers, the Associated Press reported.

Members of FPI, who want to see sharia (Islamic law) applied in Indonesia, are known for attacking groups that do not conform to their ideology like minority Muslim sects and gays as well as targeting bars.

The group pledged to hunt down Erwin Arnada, editor of the Indonesian version of Playboy. The publication of the magazine was stopped and Arnada is currently in hiding. They also attacked a group of legislators in June.

In several cases, FPI vigilantes are not brought to justice since politicians and the police sometimes tend to turn a blind eye to their attacks on targets deemed un-Islamic, like gays and transvestites, because they are worried they would be seen by the public as promoting vice, according to a Reuters report.

Attacks slammed
The Indonesian government fears to target any group that speaks in the name of Islam, said Islamic activist Yenny Wahid, director of the Wahid Institute which promotes a moderate view of Islam.

"Anarchism on behalf of religion is increasing, and the government seems to fear any group that uses Islam." She told The Jakarta Globe. "We do not want to be like Afghanistan under the Taliban."

Indonesians who condemn the vigilant attacks launched campaigns on the social networking websites Facebook and Twitter calling for the ban of FPI.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who ordered the arrest and prosecution of the culprits, slammed last week's attacks on Christians in Bekasi.

"There is no space for violence from and against anyone for any reason, especially over the sensitive issue of inter-religious community relationships in our country," he told the press.

In a letter to American President Barrack Obama, Yudhoyono called the planned burning of the Quran by Florida priest Terry Jones a threat to world peace.

Almost 80% of Indonesia's 240 million. The remaining percentage is divided among Christians--Catholics and Protestants--Hindus, and Buddhists.
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [263 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One of the many facets of Jihad.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 09/24/2010 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't care about spreading Christianity to Indonesia. I also don't want a bunch of islamists trying to shove islam down my throat here in America. They need to get over thinking they are the ONE religion in the world that everyone is supposed to adopt at risk of death if they don't.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 8:52 Comments || Top||

#3  May take a few thousand years John. The ONE religionista crowd appear to be tribal-cyclical. No offense intended, but I might offer the Via della Rosa as early evidence.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/24/2010 9:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Now an Indonesian theologian wants to travel to Europe to persuade the local Muslims to adopt Indonesia's more tolerant version of Islam. (See VOA article here.)
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 9:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Vigilantes vow to stop 'Christianization' of Indonesia

And after they have the religion beaten down, with only one survivor left, then they will be more pluralistic and tolerant.
Posted by: gorb || 09/24/2010 10:14 Comments || Top||

#6  Shit. I clicked on the bar to preview my comment and it disappeared. Having some trouble since switchhing to Bing.

Besoeker: I am not offended by your comment I just don't understand the context. Via della Rosa could be taken literally and refer to the street on which Jesus traveled. Or it could refer to the suffering of Jesus along this path. Perhaps this refers to the obligation of Christians to spread the good word.

Just a comment. I traveled along this path sometime ago in Jerusalem. I can recall hearing gunfire over on the Paleostinian side--not far away. Could have been a wedding or a funeral or gun sex or plinking away at Israelis. This street is also not far from the Temple Mount (islamic holy site) and the Jewish Wailing wall down below. Every now and again the islamics get p!ssed about something and throw rocks down on the Jews worshipping below. During the same time, one or two tourists were killed on the beach in Tel Aviv from bombs being buried along the beach by Libyans who came up on the beach at night in rubber rafts. The islamists are always pushing against Israel. They don't want Israel to exist. Period. They (muslims) feel like this is their land (Israel) and they are unwilling to co-exist peacefully.

TW. There are more moderate muslims? Imam Rauf was supposed to be a bridge builder but it turns out he is a sharia law advocate. How does one cull out the moderates (sheep) from the muslims who are pushing sharia law (wolves)? Sharia law is not compatible with our culture or our Constitution. Indeed, it appears to be subversive and a danger to our way of life. These islamists muslims take our Constitution and its freedoms and use it against us.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 10:48 Comments || Top||

#7  An example of intolerence and 'group think' John. Possibly a poor one at that.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/24/2010 11:12 Comments || Top||

#8  My apologies, JohnQC. I forgot to add "/sarcasm" at the end of my comment. Yes, there are more moderate Muslims, even Muslims who are comfortable living in Jewish Israel or in post-Enlightenment cultures. A few of them even speak up against those who fight (whether by the sword or by the law) to spread submission to Sharia. However, based on the article above, I'm not sure that Islam the Indonesian theologian in my article is proposing is going to be a more comfortable fit with Europe's native culture than is the current version there extant.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/24/2010 11:41 Comments || Top||

Sri Lanka
Norway set to evaluate unsuccessful truce in Sri Lanka's civil war
[Gulf Times] Norway is to evaluate the ceasefire it brokered between the Sri Lankan government and the Tamil rebels in 2002, a Norwegian embassy spokesman in Colombo said yesterday.

The deal fell apart when government troops took up arms again in 2008, and went on to defeat the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam in May of the following year.

An international team of European and Sri Lankan experts was to look into the 12 years of Norwegian involvement in the 26-year conflict, the spokesman said under condition of anonymity.

"The evaluation will help Norway, which continues to assist Sri Lanka in development activities," he said.

Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa has previously blamed the Norwegian-backed ceasefire for favouring the rebels and allowing them to rearm, prolonging the conflict.

Rajapaksa on Tuesday requested development assistance during bilateral talks with Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.

Stoltenberg on Wednesday said that Norway was "eager to play a supporting role in the emerging situation in Sri Lanka," according to a statement released by Colombo.
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#1  D *** NG IT, twisn't this suppos to be CANADA'S JOB!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 09/24/2010 1:15 Comments || Top||

#2  In summary: 'peace' mission failed, warfare won, peace resulted.

Add it to the list of answers to 'what has war ever achieved?'

The Tamil Tigers would never have accepted a reasonable outcome to the conflict; they had to be defeated with violence.
Posted by: Bulldog || 09/24/2010 8:24 Comments || Top||

#3  I see that history's also getting a bit of a rewrite. "The deal fell apart when government troops took up arms again in 2008."

That was in response to the Tigers using the ceasefire to rearm, trying to run a low-level war of attrition behind its shield, bumping off dissident Tigers and the occasional government adherent, and issuing a continuing series of truculent statements similar to Iran's daily spew.

The Lankans Gave Peace a Change™ and it didn't work. Military operations did.
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 8:41 Comments || Top||

#4  No Joe M, Canada wants no part of this process.

Canada (Toronto) has a large Tamil population and the Tigers have been very successful raising (extorting) money co-opting federal politicians (of a mostly liberal and multicultural persuasion) to their cause.

No one in the Great White North or Sri Lanka wants to get involved.
Posted by: Skunky Glins**** || 09/24/2010 20:48 Comments || Top||

'Father' of Iranian blogging faces death penalty
Gee. I can't remember how many of my liberal friends told me how Iran was more democratic than the US.

I doubt my liberal friends know what democracy means.

I also doubt they think this story might relate to their comments.

I also doubt that they think.
Posted by: gorb || 09/24/2010 04:51 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [297 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gorb, your liberal friends and my liberal friends (I started to type "fringe"--Freudian slip) would be astounded to find that our liberal press is protected by the First Amendment--despite their frequent abuse of this right. And that isn't so everywhere--such as Iran.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/24/2010 8:31 Comments || Top||

Iran ends seat bid on UN nuclear board
[Al Arabiya] Iran on Thursday withdrew a bid for a seat on the U.N. nuclear watchdog's policy-setting board after failing to win consensus backing from a regional group of Middle East and South Asian countries.

Iran is under an eight-year U.N. investigation over its nuclear program, which the West suspects is aimed at developing bombs and the Islamic Republic says is for peaceful power generation purposes only.

An Arab diplomat said Iran, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates had vied for the two seats allocated for the group on the International Atomic Energy Agency's Board of Governors, which meets periodically at IAEA headquarters in Vienna.

Shortly before a meeting to decide the issue, Iran announced it would drop its candidacy for the sake of "the solidarity of the group," the Arab envoy said, without elaborating. Iranian diplomats were not available for comment.

Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, both U.S. allies, were later elected to the 35-nation board on Thursday.

An Iranian attempt to join the board would have encountered Western opposition if it had come to a vote at the annual assembly of 151 IAEA member states, which is holding a week-long meeting in Vienna.

The Board of Governors has the power to refer countries to the U.N. Security Council if they are believed to be flouting IAEA regulations.

It did this with Iran in 2006 over its failure to declare sensitive uranium enrichment-related activity and cooperate fully with IAEA inspectors.

Under IAEA rules, if any of its six regional groups fails to agree on consensus candidates for the board, the whole assembly would settle the issue with a ballot.

"I believe (Iran) decided they would rather withdraw the bid than risk losing a vote in the assembly," said a Western diplomat.
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [324 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

Arrest Warrant Reportedly to be Issued against Sayyed
[An Nahar] An arrest warrant will be issued against Brig. Gen. Jamil Sayyed, a prominent MP from the majority March 14 coalition said in remarks published Thursday by the Kuwaiti al-Anbaa newspaper. But he said the measure will not be implemented in the near future. "Just like many of the arrest warrants, they have only come into force after a long time," said the lawmaker.
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [270 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

Jumblat: Controlling the Situation is Nasrallah's, Hariri's Responsibility
[An Nahar] Druze leader Walid Jumblat said committing to calm media rhetoric was essential for the fight against issues like the false witnesses and indictments to be issued by the International Tribunal possibly against Hizbullah members.

"It is important to adhere to a calm rhetoric as a gateway to engage into political debate in a calm atmosphere on how to organize a joint confrontation to the issues of false witnesses and the indictment," Jumblat said in remarks published Thursday by As-Safir newspaper.
"Controlling the situation is primarily the responsibility of Mr. Hassan Nasrallah and Premier Saad Hariri," Jumblat stressed.

He said it was now the responsibility of Lebanese judicial authorities to hold the false witnesses accountable and take this case "until the end."

Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [270 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

Sami Gemayel: The State is Not Being Objective in Applying the Law
[An Nahar] Phalange Party MP Sami Gemayel noted on Thursday that the state is not being objective in applying the law as demonstrated in the developments at the Rafik Hariri International Airport on Saturday.
He asked: "In what right do some individuals allow themselves to enter the airport grounds with armed convoys?"

"The unacceptable statements and actions on television make us doubt the state's ability in imposing the law and constitution on all Lebanese," he added.

Furthermore, Gemayel rejected "the state's lax approach in fully performing its duties, as well as its abandonment of its duties towards martyrs in light of statements issued against the Special Tribunal for Lebanon."
Posted by: Fred || 09/24/2010 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [269 views] Top|| File under: Hezbollah

#1  Gemayel should check out Mexico Lindo...
Posted by: borgboy || 09/24/2010 15:42 Comments || Top||

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