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Boss Druid: Society is coming round to my views on sharia

On the anniversary of the interview in which Dr Rowan Williams said it "seems inevitable" that some parts of sharia would be enshrined in this country's legal code, he claimed "a number of fairly senior people" now take the same view. He added that there is a "drift of understanding" towards what he was saying, and that the public sees the difference between letting Muslim courts decide divorces and wills, and allowing them to rule on criminal cases and impose harsh punishments.

However critics insist that family disputes must be dealt with by civil law rather than according to religious principles, and claim the Archbishop's comments have only helped the case of extremists while making Muslim women worse off, because they do not have equal rights under Islamic law.

The Archbishop, the most senior cleric in the Church of England, faced calls to resign last February when he said it was likely that elements of the religious principles based on the Koran, concerning marriage, finance and conflict resolution, would be enshrined in British legislation one day.

But in July he was supported by Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, who was then the Lord Chief Justice, while it later emerged that five sharia courts are already operating mediation systems under the Arbitration Act, and that the Government allows Islamic tribunals to settle the custody and financial affairs of divorcing couples and send their judgements to civil courts for approval.

When asked at a recent conference of Anglican leaders in Egypt whether he feels he has been vindicated, Dr Williams replied: "It's been quite interesting to see how a number of fairly senior people have observed that certain kinds of limited aspects of Muslim law are imaginable within a British legal framework, without upsetting the apple cart of undermining human rights. People are maybe beginning to distinguish the general question of Muslim law, and the extremes of appalling practice which disfigure it in so many parts of the world or the extremes of trying to push Sharia law upon an entire society. So I think there is a drift of understanding of what I was trying to say, perhaps I like to think so."

But Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: "He has started a process which is deeply dangerous, damaging to Britain and to Muslim women in Britain. It was a wicked move because it undermines the progressives and gives succour to the extremists. How does the Archbishop of Canterbury know, sitting in Lambeth Palace, that a woman in Bolton has volunteered to give up half her inheritance to her brother?"

Neil Addison, a barrister who specialises in religious discrimination cases, said: "I think the Archbishop has failed to give a justification for sharia law. What's the advantage it would bring to British Muslims and to British law? I believe his speech was deeply harmful to British Muslims because it helps the separation of them from the rest of society. What he was asking for was sharia dealing with wills and divorce, which are public areas of law, not private ones."
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/16/2009 11:38 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6516 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Archbishop, the most senior cleric in the Church of England, faced calls to resign last February...

Well, it's February again. How about some more calls for the old bastard to resign? It could be an annual tradition.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 12:21 Comments || Top||

#2  "How does the Archbishop of Canterbury know, sitting in Lambeth Palace, that a woman in Bolton has volunteered to give up half her inheritance to her brother?"

Short answer: he doesn't care.
Posted by: Bulldog || 02/16/2009 12:30 Comments || Top||

#3  The decline and fall of the Church of England is a major reason for the decline and soon-to-fall GOVERNMENT of England. Without God, there is very little in life to recommend beneficial behavior toward others. Without a population of believers, there is no trust, no honor, and no "fabric of society". The same thing is happening in the United States, just at a slower rate, and at an UNEQUAL rate across the nation. Both coasts and the majority of large cities have fewer honestly religious people (not necessarily "church-goers" - there's a difference) than rural America. The same goes for Britain. All these "leaders" should go back and read (or re-read) the Bible, and see how many times Israel got into serious trouble. Each time, it began with a decline in religious practices and an increase in religious and civil bureaucracy.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:11 Comments || Top||

#4  the most senior cleric in the Church of England, faced calls to resign last February...

Kind of like the groundhog coming out and seeing his shadow every February. He should be cooked and eaten after seeing his shadow.
Posted by: JohnQC || 02/16/2009 14:44 Comments || Top||

#5  What part of the quaran's "Don't take Jews and Christians as friends" do people not understand? They hate us.
Posted by: Unomomp Turkeyneck3570 || 02/16/2009 16:08 Comments || Top||

#6  He's on my list for a ceaucescueing when the time comes.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles the flatulent || 02/16/2009 18:58 Comments || Top||

#7  He is on my list for a Vlad Ţepeş treatment when the time comes.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 02/16/2009 19:30 Comments || Top||

#8  Head witch-doctor of a multicultural cargo cult.

He imagines that if he shakes his feathers and rattles his gourds enough, the Arabs will bring more oil loot.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/16/2009 22:39 Comments || Top||

'No day this year without a terror trial'
In an interview with SPIEGEL, British Home Secretary Jacqui Smith discusses her country's experience in taking in former inmates from the Guantanamo prison camp and how her country is seeking to reach out to young Muslims before they radicalize.
Posted by: ryuge || 02/16/2009 06:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

Somali radicals 'importing terror to UK'
Dozens of Islamic extremists have returned to Britain from terror training camps in Somalia, the British security services believe. Intelligence analysts are worried that they may attempt to launch attacks in this country or use the kudos from having trained and fought in Somalia to try to attract new recruits. The issue was raised by Jonathan Evans, the head of MI5, in his first interview last month. In the US, the outgoing head of the CIA, Michael Hayden, has said that Ethiopia's invasion of Somalia in late 2006 “catalysed” expatriate Somalis around the world.

An investigation for Channel 4 News, to be broadcast tonight, also reveals that a suicide bomber who grew up in Ealing is thought to have blown himself up in an attack in Somalia that killed more than 20 soldiers. The incident is the first reported case involving a Somali based in Britain and will add to pressure on Scotland Yard and the Home Office to tackle the problem within the Somali community, which, at about 250,000 people, is the biggest in Europe. “Pakistan rightly gets the most attention in terms of external threats,” a senior counter-terrorism source said. “But we believe we should focus more on the Horn of Africa and Somalia in particular.”

Two years ago Ethiopian forces occupied parts of Somalia after ousting the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) from the capital, Mogadishu – the latest chapter in a long history of conflict between the two countries. The Ethiopians withdrew last month as part of a peace deal agreed between the Government and moderate Islamists, leaving African Union peacekeepers and Somali soldiers – although many believe that they will not be able to keep advancing extremists at bay. The hardline Islamist militia al-Shabaab, treated as a terrorist organisation by the US, has taken advantage of Ethiopia's withdrawal to boost its control of the south. More than 16,000 people have been reported killed in the past two years of fighting.

Peter Neumann, a terrorism expert who runs the Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King's College London, told Channel 4 News: “The numbers I hear [going from Britain to Somalia] are 50, 60 or 70, but in reality we don't know. You don't need big numbers for terrorism. Somalia will never become another Pakistan, but that does not mean it is not a threat.”

Most Somalis in Britain entered the country as asylum-seekers within the past 20 years. They include Yasin Omar and Ramzi Mohammed, two of the four men convicted of the botched bombing of the London Underground on July 21, 2005. An audio message from Osama bin Laden last month urged Muslims to send money or go to fight themselves in Somalia. “Such references are usually a good indicator,” Dr Neumann said. “The place is seen as an opportunity, from a jihadist point of view.”

Some Somali leaders say their community – already associated with gang and knife crime – is being unfairly targeted. But outside a West London mosque last week, several Somalis were adamant that they were entitled to fight for their homeland. “If American troops can go from Arizona to Iraq then someone can leave this area and go to Somalia,” one said.

The British Somali who became a suicide bomber had abandoned a business studies course at Oxford Brookes University (Jonathan Rugman writes). The 21-year-old from Ealing, West London, reportedly blew himself up at a checkpoint in the southern Somali town of Baidoa in October 2007 after crossing into Somalia by foot from Kenya. News reports at the time said that the Somali Prime Minister was staying at a nearby hotel but escaped. Somali jihadist websites claimed that more than 20 Ethiopian soldiers were killed. The bomber was a member of al-Shabaab – The Youth – militia, which is fighting to impose Islamic law. Its brutal tactics include decapitating alleged spies with knives. Six aid workers were reportedly killed by the group last December. It is not clear whether Britain's security services are aware of the Ealing student's case. His family, who still live in London, want his name withheld to avoid reprisals.

The man had recorded a martyrdom video in which he urged Somalia's refugee diaspora to join him in his jihad. “Oh my people, know that I am doing this martyrdom operation for the sake of Allah,” he said. “I advise you to migrate to Somalia and wage war against your enemies. Death in honour is better than life in humiliation.”

Sheikh Ahmed Aabi, a moderate Somali religious leader in Kentish Town, northwest London, said that he knew of the Ealing case and had heard from other families of sons travelling to Somalia to join warring Islamist groups. “I'm hearing it from parents,” he said. “They say they [their children] are joining the jihad. I am hearing there are a lot of people. This is a big problem facing our community.”
Posted by: ryuge || 02/16/2009 05:19 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Young somalis in London are usually unemployed,in gangs and chew/Sell Khat for a living!!!

Thanks Labour for accepting these no good parasites!!!!
Posted by: Injun Cheremble5737 || 02/16/2009 10:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Young Somalis in the US go to camps in Somalia, form gangs, and chew khat, illeglly imported.
Posted by: Thealing Borgia 122 || 02/16/2009 10:43 Comments || Top||

#3  But it's not fresh khat. So there.
Posted by: ed || 02/16/2009 11:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Wouldn't be surprised if they've started growing it here.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 15:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Would you allow cockroaches to infest your home? It should be the same for countries.
Posted by: Unomomp Turkeyneck3570 || 02/16/2009 16:10 Comments || Top||

Caribbean-Latin America
Venezuela votes on Chavez's bid to scrap presidential term limits
Hugo Chavez's ambition to lead Venezuela for decades to come hung in the balance last night as the country voted in a constitutional referendum that could abolish presidential term limits, paving the way for his indefinite re-election.

Opinion polls gave him a slight edge after a controversial campaign that pitted student protesters against police and turned the state into a "red machine" to deliver a yes vote.
One person, one vote, one last time ...
The president said he wanted to run again when his term ends in 2013, with unlimited re-election rights, to protect his self-styled socialist revolution "from enemies at home and abroad". The vote, he said in a newspaper column, would either safeguard or sabotage a historic process of transformation and liberation that had lit up South America. "It is the dilemma of Shakespeare's Hamlet: to be or not to be," he said.

The 54-year-old former tank commander has spoken of ruling in Venezuela beyond 2030.

Yesterday military-style bugles sounding from government vehicles roused people from dawn and queues swiftly formed outside polling stations. Activists in red T-shirts handed flyers with 10 reasons to vote yes. Number one: "Chavez loves us and love is repaid with love." Number two: "Chavez is incapable of doing us harm."
You have to be really dense to write that kind of stuff, and even more dense to believe it.
Some families were split over whether to support a charismatic leader popular for spending declining oil revenues on social programmes but resented for economic problems and concentrating power in his hands.

"I am going to support my president. Thanks to him I have free healthcare," said Marisabel Torres, 56, a housewife in Caracas. Her husband Ricardo, 56, a courier, was voting no. "Chavez has screwed this country enough already."

In December 2007 Venezuelans narrowly rejected a similar referendum covering presidential re-election - which would have removed the limit on the number of times a president could stand for office - prompting an opposition slogan for the latest campaign: "No means no." This time the president widened the scope, to abolish term limits for mayors and governors.

The opposition say that the Chavez-appointed electoral authority has ignored abuse of state resources.

But, despite collapsing oil revenues, which have blown a hole in the government budget, and warnings of stagflation, the president said a yes vote would bring a bounty. "Today is the beginning of the time of big harvests," he said.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6463 views] Top|| File under:

#1  looks like he won. He'll need to be killed to get out of office now
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 9:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Or die of old age. (See Castro)
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 02/16/2009 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  The election/re-election of Chavez is really a shame. Venezuela used to be a relatively nice country. I wouldn't go there today for all the money the Saudis have EVER made selling oil.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:15 Comments || Top||

#4  "I am going to support my president. Thanks to him I have free healthcare," said Marisabel Torres, 56, a housewife in Caracas Chicago.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 15:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Free healthcare? Oh reallllly? Idiot.
Posted by: OldSpook || 02/16/2009 16:39 Comments || Top||

Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia criticizes call for Bout extradition
MOSCOW (AP) - Russia's foreign ministry on Saturday criticized a push by American congressmen for the extradition to the United States of Viktor Bout, a Russian wanted for allegedly trying to smuggle missiles and rocket launchers to Colombian rebels.

Bout has been jailed in Thailand since his arrest there a year ago. More than two dozen U.S. lawmakers this week called for the Obama administration to ensure he is extradited.
This should be a no-brainer unless Viktor tries the sushi ...
The legislators said Russian authorities want Bout turned over to them, raising the possibility he could avoid trial in the United States. Russia in the past has rejected requests to extradite its citizens, most notably in the case of Andrei Lugovoi, whom Britain has named as the main suspect in the killing by radioactive poison of exiled security agent Alexander Litvinenko in 2006.

The Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the congressmen's call was "bewildering" because charges against Bout in Thailand have been dropped and "his guilt on charges put forth in the United States has not been proven."

"Such activity on the part of parliamentarians in a nation that purports to be a paragon of rule and law and observance of human rights looks embarrassing to say the least," the statement said. It also suggested the push was "an attempt to derail efforts by Washington and Moscow to relaunch American-Russian cooperation."

Bout, reputed to be one of the world's most prolific arms dealers, was caught at a Bangkok luxury hotel in an elaborate sting operation. Agents from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration posed as rebels from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, looking to buy millions of dollars in weapons from Bout. FARC is a U.S.-designated terrorist organization.

U.S. authorities long have considered Bout a weapons smuggler whose alleged list of customers included former dictator Charles Taylor of Liberia, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, the late dictator Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire (now known as Congo) and both sides of the civil war in Angola. In Afghanistan, he also allegedly armed the Taliban and the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance. He was charged in the United States with conspiracy for allegedly trying to smuggle missiles and rocket launchers to the FARC. Bout also faces charges conspiring to kill U.S. officers or employees. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of life in prison.

Bout has denied the charges.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Such activity on the part of parliamentarians in a nation that purports to be a paragon of rule and law and observance of human rights looks embarrassing to say the least," the statement said.

Russian economy must be so bad they have failed to educate even the foreign minister. During the Cold War, they infiltrated us with ease but they apparently don't understand our system. US Congress is not parliamentary. Our citizens uniquely have rights guaranteed by our Constitution, not as global citizens with "human rights" to protect terrorists and pedophiles. That is, not unless Soros has his way with the Obama Administration.
Posted by: Danielle || 02/16/2009 11:17 Comments || Top||

#2  The Russian leadership must be worried sick that a Bout in captivity could spill the beans on the lucrative arms trade run out of Eastern Europe and Russia. I must, however, contradict myself. Why should they worry? Does anyone, anwhere have a doubt as to the corruption that exists within the surviving remnants of the Soviet military?
Posted by: balthazar || 02/16/2009 20:37 Comments || Top||

N. Korean capital gears up for leader's birthday
Pyongyang geared up Sunday for North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's birthday, holding commemorative events and adding finishing touches to decorations, some of which included slogans wishing him good health. Kim will turn 67 on Monday. While signs for his good health have been spotted in the North Korean capital in the past, these come after international reports about his health setback surfaced last year.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6471 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah. I'm sure they're preparing his cardboard image as we speak.
Posted by: gorb || 02/16/2009 4:55 Comments || Top||

#2  With any luck, this will be his last birthday.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 02/16/2009 7:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Will he out-do Bob? Battle of the Dictator's Birthday Parties! All your champagne are belong to us!
Posted by: Spot || 02/16/2009 8:31 Comments || Top||

#4  With any luck, this will be his last birthday.

He may be dead, it doesn't stop the Celebration.(Lies)
Let's send Broomhilda (Clinton) if she shakes his hand and speaks WITH him, then I'll believe it.
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 02/16/2009 12:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Feats...don't fail me now.
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/16/2009 13:01 Comments || Top||

#6  As a birthday wish, I send the following to Kimmie:

May your hair and teeth fall out, may your liver turn to stone. May your feet grow to be six sizes too big for your shoes. May you develop cataracts, halitosis, and kidney failure. May you develop gallstones, kidney stones, and no stones (ie, no cojones). May you develop psoriosis (sp?), gingevitis, and extreme tinnitus. May you develop ulcers, hernias, and multiple personality disorders. Finally, may you have to go to the NHS in Britain for medical treatment, with no privileges like going to the head of the line. And on that, have a "happy" Birthday, you sodden old SOB.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Let's sing a hearty round of "I'm Ronery" in his honor tonight.
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie || 02/16/2009 16:29 Comments || Top||

N. Korea reacts with anger to suggestions of missile launch plan
North Korean media reacted with anger Monday to suggestions Pyongyang is preparing to launch a long-range missile, calling them a ''grave challenge'' by forces who wish to halt development of Pyongyang's defense and science capabilities. The report by the official Korean Central News Agency also indicated North Korea may launch a satellite or other objects for space development, saying, ''One will come to know later what will be launched in the DPRK.''
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under:

#1  STFU already
Posted by: rabid whitetail || 02/16/2009 9:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Has the North Korean media ever responded with anything other than anger to anything other than their own propaganda?
Posted by: Mitch H. || 02/16/2009 15:40 Comments || Top||

Home Front: WoT
Unmanned drones set to start patrolling Canadian border
Unmanned drones, based at Grand Forks Air Force Base in North Dakota, are set to start patrolling the Canadian border. A ceremony to mark the launch is set for tomorrow at the base. The military facility is one of five outposts that will be part of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection unmanned aircraft program.

The Predator drone can detect a moving person from 10 kilometres away. Information gathered by the drones will be transmitted back to operators, who will contact border agents.
Posted by: ryuge || 02/16/2009 05:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6519 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Unmanned drones..."

As opposed to manned drones? Got Editor?
Posted by: Parabellum || 02/16/2009 8:10 Comments || Top||

#2  PB I can think of a few "Drones" alive and walking the world today.
Posted by: Rednek Jim || 02/16/2009 12:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Some of them even vote. In fact looking at the last election I would say a lot of them vote.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/16/2009 12:47 Comments || Top||

#4  Beta recon / intercept procedures for people trying to the the H*ll out, I suspect.
Posted by: Uncle Phester || 02/16/2009 13:53 Comments || Top||

#5  "Unmanned drones..."

Leprechauns.....or Goonies.... or maybe Gooney Leprechauns.........
Posted by: Uncle Phester || 02/16/2009 13:56 Comments || Top||

#6  #3: Some of them even vote. In fact looking at the last election I would say a lot of them vote..... Posted by: CrazyFool||

Vote, he$$, one of them was elected President.

I recommended this to one of my congresscritters several years ago, but for the southern border. I haven't heard they're planning to fly drones in the south yet...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:25 Comments || Top||

#7  From the CSM: "The Border Patrol's sector in Tucson, Ariz., unveiled the first drone on Sept. 29 [2005] after some testing earlier in the year. Todd Faser, Border Patrol spokesman, says more than 1,000 illegal immigrants and over 400 pounds of illegal narcotics have been caught with its help.

The UAV will be operated by a Border Patrol agent acting as the pilot, who sits in a cockpit-like control station at Fort Huachuca, Ariz. The aircraft is flown by remote control and equipped with an electro-optic sensor that can send back images, day or night"
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 02/16/2009 17:01 Comments || Top||

#8  And each one of them probably costing the
taxpayers the same as 100 Cessnas with
a pilot AND observer...
Posted by: Ming the Merciless || 02/16/2009 23:55 Comments || Top||

US military to recruit immigrants, offer citizenship
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon will begin recruiting skilled immigrants with temporary status in the United States and offer them an express path to citizenship, The New York Times reported Sunday. Citing military officials, the paper said that under the proposed program, recruits would be able to become US citizens in as little as six months.

Permanent residents, or holders of so-called "green cards," have been eligible to enlist in the US military for a long time. But for the first time since the Vietnam War, the military, which is stretched thin due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, will now open its doors to immigrants with temporary visas if they have lived in the United States for a minimum of two years, the report said.

Recruiters expect that temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many Americans, helping the military to fill vacancies in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis, The Times wrote.

"The American Army finds itself in a lot of different countries where cultural awareness is critical," Lieutenant General Benjamin Freakley, the top recruitment officer for the army, told the paper. "There will be some very talented folks in this group," he said.

The program will be first limited to 1,000 enlistees nationwide in its first year and mostly involve the army, the report said. If the pilot program succeeds, it will expand for all branches of the military and eventually provide as many as 14,000 volunteers a year, or about one in six recruits, The Times noted.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6474 views] Top|| File under:

#1  How about giving DoD some of those H1B visas now that the economy doesn't really need those hundreds of thousands foreigners businesses lied cried they desperately needed [and thus kill the incentive of any American to go into that specific field of endeavor for study or work]?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 02/16/2009 7:02 Comments || Top||

#2  This seems like a it could be a step in the right direction, closer towards a realistic solution to the problem of illegal immigration, in the sense that it would increase the number of immigrants allowed into the US legally. However, this does not appear to do much about the root cause of this problem, which is the abhorrent failure of the current path to citizenship, which is terribly unrealistic and inefficient, and it is addressing the wrong class of immigrants.

This could give our military invaluable resources, and it does seem like a very effective and fair way to create a path to citizenship, requiring a needed public service in exchange for the right to live under the protections of US law. According to the Cato Institute (unfortunately, this analysis is from pre-economic crisis times, so it is possible the situation may have changed), the US needs to allow more immigrants to enter the US legally. This would stem the tide of illegal entry and would address many of the problems commonly associated with illegal immigration, such as wage decline (although the connection here is actually much more tenuous than often thought) and job-loss.

However, there is a necessary distinction between "skilled" and "un-skilled" or "low-skilled" immigrants. Though this may sound counter-intuitive to some, we need immigrants in the US, but not "skilled" (or more accurately, "professional" immigrants). The United States produces hundreds of thousands of new, low-skilled jobs every year, and the number of Americans ready and willing to fill those jobs steadily decreases with every year (Again, this is pre-financial crisis, so I do not know how this data may have changed, if at all). Illegal immigrants (which are almost entirely composed of "low-skilled" workers) are a resource that we have all but institutionalized, and a resource that would better serve the US if we simply adjusted our legal paths to citizenship to be efficient and more in-tune with the reality of the US workforce.

This plan may open us up to such a realistic approach to immigration policy, but it seems to be following the same precendent we have followed for years: whenever we increase the number of immigrants allowed into the US, we allow in more skilled immigrants (H1B), which we often have adequate alternatives for, and eschew the low-skilled immigrants, which come in anyway, just without the legal protections that would reduce the burden placed on wages, jobs, and social services (In way of example, many illegal immigrants opt against preventative care and wait until they -must- get medical care, for fear of being deported. This results in more severe, and expensive, problems than would otherwise occur, which these immigrants care often not pay for.).

For now, we shall simply have to wait and see.
Posted by: FTWilliams || 02/16/2009 8:33 Comments || Top||

#3  .....temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many stinking Bible and gun toting white, Republican voting Americans, helping the military to fill vacancies in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis, The Times wrote.

Can we not find the funding to TRAIN a 14,000 willing US citizens? Appears we're kicking the multi-cult thing up a notch.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/16/2009 8:52 Comments || Top||

#4  Again, this goes to the idea of creating an American Foreign Legion, modeled after the FFL. Quartered offshore, this would let us recruit the best foreign talent, as light infantry to do the long-term, low value, high cost missions like peacekeeping and humanitarian relief.

The US military is a very expensive, finely tuned and superb machine, and using it for missions like these wastes billions of dollars and degrades its readiness. Like using a samurai sword to pry open cans of paint.

Since the US has large numbers of illegal aliens, we might as well push for them to buy their citizenship as well, if nothing else than to get citizenship for "good" illegals. But many possible soldiers don't *want* US citizenship, they want to be soldiers.

The illegals are good for just raising US military numbers. But for serious, if low grade missions, the military needs an AFL.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/16/2009 9:00 Comments || Top||

#5  Not that sure about illegal aliens. Would you want to share a foxhole with someone who thinks so little about violating our borders?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/16/2009 9:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Romans did it---not long before the end.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/16/2009 10:55 Comments || Top||

#7  Mexican drug loads happy that we will train their soldiers.
Posted by: bman || 02/16/2009 11:01 Comments || Top||

#8  the US needs to allow more immigrants to enter the US legally

You think we need millions, billions, of third world people streaming into this country? Bringing all their third world problems with them? I don't.

You think we need masses of poor, illiterate Mexican peasants to serve as cannon fodder for the US Army? I hope not.

OTOH, if you have a few thousand legal immigrants who are educated and show some inclination to assimilate into our culture it might work. Er, that is, if you don't mind being compared to the French.

The United States produces hundreds of thousands of new, low-skilled jobs every year, and the number of Americans ready and willing to fill those jobs steadily decreases with every year

Oh yeah? Just wait until GM goes belly up.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 12:55 Comments || Top||

#9  This sounds like "a solution in search of a problem".

The armed forces currently are meeting their recruiting goals, and quality of the recruits is as high as its ever been.

The only reason to do this is if we need to expand our forces quickly or are experiencing a shortage of specific skills (e.g. nurses).
Posted by: Frozen Al || 02/16/2009 12:55 Comments || Top||

#10  Earning citizenship by placing one's life on the line in service to the nation seems honourable to me.

This assumes a 4 year enlistment successfully completed, as well as background checks.
Posted by: Lagom || 02/16/2009 13:10 Comments || Top||

#11  We had two "foreigners" in my basic training flight in 1965. One was German, the other was Canadian. Philippinos had the "right" to enlist in our military after the Philippines gained their independence in 1946. I've known dozens of "foreigners" in the military during my 26-year career. Most had joined to gain their citizenship, and to serve a nation they loved and respected. This is NOT "new". This is the first time, however, I've known the US military to actually go LOOKING for these types of recruits.

My granddaughter has enlisted in the Navy recently, but there's not an opening in "boot camp" until May or June a the earliest. That doesn't suggest there's a huge demand for these people.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:35 Comments || Top||

#12  Unless of course your an ex British Soldier who now lives in the US and who wanted to join the Marine Corp and was told that the UK was not in this new program so good luck to the US military machine with all your new Indian,Pakistan,Somali recruits sure Al qaeda will be well happy with the US training all their martyrs
Posted by: Alex || 02/16/2009 15:26 Comments || Top||

#13  Just as long as the military keep the case of Ali Mohammed and the post below "War and Peace and Deceit in Islam" in opinion, in mind and not mindlessly follow process as opposed to outcome.
Posted by: tipper || 02/16/2009 15:28 Comments || Top||

#14  As for immigrants serving in the US military, I have just two words: Rick Rescorla
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 02/16/2009 17:57 Comments || Top||

#15  #12 - Alex - contact your area congressman, and if that doesn't help, contact mine: Duncan D Hunter. He's USMC and Marine Reserve
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 18:53 Comments || Top||

#16  Jeez, look at the early days of the Republic and seem how many foreigners were serving : the Marquis de Lafayette, von Steuben, Count Pulaski, etc. The US has always had foreigners in the military and they have serve honorably in the main. This is just NYT propaganda about how we are "desperate" for troops because of the "unpopular and illegal" wars.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 02/16/2009 19:36 Comments || Top||

Sufi Muhammad renews support for Pakhtunkhwa
Maulana Sufi Muhammad, who has emerged as the key figure in ending the conflict in Swat and controlling militancy in the rest of the Malakand division, is also a strong supporter of renaming the NWFP as Pakhtunkhwa.

The Maulana, who is at present sitting in a protest camp along with his followers in Timergara, Dir Lower district, to highlight his demand for the enforcement of the Islamic law in the Malakand division, has been telling the Awami National Party (ANP) leaders negotiating with him that he wanted the NWFP to be renamed as Pakhtunkhwa.

Sources in the ANP said he told their party leaders that all the provinces of Pakistan had frontiers with other countries and the word 'frontier' should be added to their existing names like the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP).

The Maulana also argued that other provinces were named after the majority ethnic groups living there and the NWFP, with its Pakhtun majority, ought to be renamed as Pakhtunkhwa. Maulana Sufi Muhammad, it may be added, had in the past also publicly stated for renaming the province as Pakhtunkhwa.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6470 views] Top|| File under: TNSM

#1  how about Pakmanistan?
Posted by: Alistaire Greash5374 || 02/16/2009 4:25 Comments || Top||

#2  #1: how about Pakmanistan? Posted by: Alistaire Greash5374

How about renaming it "radioactivegreenglassistan"?
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Could be he is a nationalist. They aren't fond of us but they aren't fond either of Shariah and of bowing to Arabs.
Posted by: JFM || 02/16/2009 15:45 Comments || Top||

#4  That's what Sufi Mohammad does best.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 17:44 Comments || Top||

Bajaur TNSM wants Shariah, supports Army presence
The Bajaur chapter of the Tanzim Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) on Sunday demanded immediate implementation of the Shariah in the troubled Bajaur Agency and in return assured the government of its cooperation to establish complete writ of the state, demanding the Army to stay in the region till reconstruction work was completed.

TNSM Bajaur chief Dr Ismail Muhammadi made this demand while reacting to the finalisation of a five-point agreement for enforcement of Shariah in the Malakand division after successful talks between the NWFP government and TNSM chief Maulana Sufi Muhammad.

"We assure the government of complete cooperation for a lasting peace and for establishing writ of the state in the troubled agency if people's demand of enforcement of Shariah is met," said Dr Ilyas, son of Dr Ismail Muhammadi, while talking to The News from the Bajaur Agency via telephone.

"After people's major demand of the enforcement of Shariah is met, the restoration of peace and purging the area of miscreants will become easier and the TNSM will be in a position to help establish writ of the government," he said.

Dr Ilyas, who recently completed his house job after obtaining MBBS degree and is now also working as spokesman for his father, said the TNSM Bajaur chapter is ready to assume the responsibility of restoring peace in the restive tribal agency after enforcement of Shariah. He said the TNSM activists would fully help the security agencies in establishing writ of the government and flushing out troublemakers.

"Implementation of Shariah in the Bajaur Agency is the best way to defeat terrorism and deal with the miscreants," the spokesman for the TNSM Bajaur chapter said. "Army is our national asset and we want it to stay in the region till completion of reconstruction work in the area because the recent strife brought large scale destruction to the agency," he said.

The government had launched military operation in the Bajaur Agency in August last year, which led to the killing of hundreds of people, both militants and civilians, while hundreds of thousands were displaced from the tiny tribal agency home to 600,000 people.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6468 views] Top|| File under: TNSM

Pak urges India to cooperate in Mumbai probe
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi Sunday said cooperation from India is essential for taking the investigation into the Mumabai attacks to its completion. Talking to reporters at Multan airport, the Foreign Minister ruled out further progress into Mumbai carnage in the absence of cooperation from India. He said there are many links between Mumbai attacks and Samjhota Express tragedy and it has been brought to the knowledge of India at diplomatic level. Shah Mehmood Qureshi said India has been asked to make public information regarding Inidan citizens who provided assistance in executing Mumbai attacks so that probe could be taken further in an effective manner. To a question, he clarified that Pakistan has not granted permission for carrying out drone attacks in its territory. "Pakistan is well aware of the prevailing situationÂ.... we will use force whenever and wherever it is needed," Shah Mehmood Qureshi said.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Pakistan

Iraqi Election Returns
A fabulous bazaar of 14,400 candidates representing 400 parties participated, yielding results highly favorable to both Iraq and the United States.

Iraq moved away from religious sectarianism toward more secular nationalism. “All the parties that had the words ‘Islamic’ or ‘Arab’ in their names lost,” noted Middle East expert Amir Taheri. “By contrast, all those that had the words ‘Iraq’ or ‘Iraqi’ gained.”

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki went from leader of a small Islamic party to leader of the State of the Law Party, campaigning on security and secular nationalism. He won a smashing victory. His chief rival, a more sectarian and pro-Iranian Shiite religious party, was devastated. Another major Islamic party, the pro-Iranian Sadr faction, went from 11 percent of the vote to 3 percent, losing badly in its stronghold of Baghdad. The Islamic Fadhila party that had dominated Basra was almost wiped out.

The once-dominant Sunni party affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and the erstwhile insurgency was badly set back. New grassroots tribal and secular Sunni leaders emerged.

The big strategic winner here is the United States. The big loser is Iran.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/16/2009 10:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kurdish parties got 30% of the vote and it appears Chalabi is up for the post of PM.

Ahmed Chalabi
Posted by: phil_b || 02/16/2009 17:27 Comments || Top||

Iraqi election commission acknowledges fraud
BAGHDAD – Iraqi officials nullified election results in more than 30 polling stations across the country due to fraud in last month's provincial balloting, but the cases were not significant enough to require a new vote in any province, the election chief said Sunday.

Faraj al-Haidari of the election commission said final results of the Jan. 31 voting would be certified and announced this week. Voters in 14 of the 18 provinces were choosing members of ruling provincial councils in an election seen as a dress rehearsal for parliamentary voting by the end of the year.

Preliminary official results announced Feb. 5 showed Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's ticket swept to victory over Shiite religious parties in Baghdad and southern Iraq — a strong endorsement of his crackdown on Shiite extremists.

Al-Haidari said his commission had looked into fraud allegations from across the country and would announce the findings along with the certified results. But he added "we won't cancel" the election in any province. He told The Associated Press that the polling stations where ballots were nullified were scattered in all 14 provinces, but he refused to say where the largest number was found. He did not say how many ballots were affected.

One official said the most widespread fraud appeared to have been in Diyala province, which has large Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish communities and an ongoing insurgency.
Which was the biggest prize of the day.
A coalition including the Iraqi Islamic Party, the largest Sunni political group, led in Diyala with 21.1 percent of the vote followed by a Kurdish alliance with 17.2 percent, according to preliminary results. Al-Maliki's coalition finished fourth in Diyala with 9.5 percent.

U.S. officials have been closely watching the Diyala results for signs of friction between Arabs and Kurds, who are the biggest community in the far north of the province. The Kurds were hoping that a strong Kurdish showing in those areas would bolster their case for incorporating parts of the province into the Kurdish self-ruled region.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6468 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wonder why we haven't seen any Minnesota counties disqualified for fraud. The Iraqi elections seem more democratic than some of ours.
Posted by: Rob06 || 02/16/2009 13:53 Comments || Top||

Israel launches covert war against Iran
Israel has launched a covert war against Iran as an alternative to direct military strikes against Tehran's nuclear programme, US intelligence sources have revealed
Posted by: tipper || 02/16/2009 20:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6537 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hopefully their target list includes the membership of the Guardian Council, and a lot of Nutjob's cronies.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/16/2009 20:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Let me fix that: Israel has launched expanded a covert war against Iran
Posted by: A_Rovian_Desciple || 02/16/2009 20:48 Comments || Top||

#3  A long time ago, I suggested that Israel might have best results by smuggling in some container to the Iranian underground facilities, that would soundlessly blow a liter of some hyper-lethal contaminant around.

A lot of cargo goes into and out of those facilities every day, and it is unlikely they have top notch security.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/16/2009 20:57 Comments || Top||

#4  There is a precedent for this. In the early 60s, Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser hired some German rocketeers and set them to work developing ballistic missiles that could threaten Israel. The techno-mercenaries were mostly third stringers but they allegedly included the great Eugen Sänger, who denied his involvement. The program was cancelled suddenly in 1963. The given reason is usually that the Soviets had agreed to supply Frog and Scud rockets to Egypt but this did not happen until several years later.
There have been many rumors over the years that the real reason was a covert campaign of sabotage and harassment by the Israelis. It is alleged that the project's German employees and suppliers kept finding their lives difficult for various reasons, and even impossible in a few cases.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 02/16/2009 22:32 Comments || Top||

#5  ...And with the above comment, Atomic Conspiracy lives up to his name!

Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 02/16/2009 22:37 Comments || Top||

Livni: Give up parts of 'Land of Israel'
Tzipi Livni, who hopes to be appointed Israel's prime minister-designate, said Monday Israel must give up considerable territory in exchange for peace with the Palestinians, drawing a clear distinction with her rival, Benjamin Netanyahu.

She told a convention of American Jewish leaders, "we need to give up parts of the Land of Israel," using a term that refers to biblical borders that include today's Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, repeating her well-known view that pulling out of Palestinian areas would be for the good of Israel, to maintain it as a Jewish state.

Livni told the Conference of Presidents of Major American Organizations that Israel must take the initiative and come forward with its own peace plan to head off international programs. "Any plan put on the table will not be in our interest," she said.

Livni's centrist Kadima Party won one more seat than the hawkish Likud, led by Netanyahu. He opposes large-scale territorial concessions in peace talks with the Palestinians. He believes negotiations should concentrate instead on building up the Palestinian economy.
They're both wrong. One starts by changing the Palestinian souls. Until they renounce violence and commit to peaceful co-existence there is nothing else to talk about.
Netanyahu and Livni, the current foreign minister, both claimed victory in last week's election. Each hopes to be picked by President Shimon Peres to form the next government. Netanyahu appears to have the edge, because a majority of members in the new parliament favor his views.

In his address before the gathering, Netanyahu ruled out unilateral pullbacks from territory, criticizing Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, charging that it allowed the Islamic militant Hamas to take over there.
Correct. Lots of blame to go around, a lot to Iran and Hamas, but it must be clear that a similar withdrawal from all or part of the West Bank would lead to the same result. Hamas is the only Paleo faction that is organized. The PLO is a toothless, mangy beast that is so corrupt that it will never again have any popular support.
He said he, too, does not want to govern Palestinians, but Israel must maintain control of all borders, airspace and electronic traffic, indicating that his offer to the Palestinians would be considerably less than a sovereign state. "Regardless how the solution is achieved, the Palestinians should run their lives," he said. "They should govern themselves, but they shouldn't have certain powers that would threaten the state of Israel."

Official results of Israel's election are scheduled to be published Wednesday, and then Peres will begin formal consultations with the 12 parties in the new parliament. He is expected to choose a premier-designate within a few days, starting a period of up to six weeks for coalition negotiations.

In an interview broadcast Monday evening on Channel 2 TV, Livni invited Netanyahu to serve in a government she would lead. "I am appealing here to Benjamin Netanyahu to join forces with me in a unity government with a policy that represents the center of the political map," she said.

Netanyahu, who assumes he will be the next prime minister, has made a similar call to Livni, who rejected it.
Posted by: tipper || 02/16/2009 17:04 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6493 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What is unspoken by the western MSM is trading land includes substantial numbers of Israeli Arabs who will go with the land (to a Paleo state).
Posted by: phil_b || 02/16/2009 18:02 Comments || Top||

#2  the Israeli Arabs seem to hate the Juice, but will go to their "ancestral brethren" kicking and screaming. Disloyal spiteful fifth column assholes
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 18:57 Comments || Top||

#3  Actually, as long as the Israeli Arabs are Muslim, it seems to be a good deal. Israel has no major issues with its Arab Druze or Christians, so they would be smart to keep them.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 02/16/2009 19:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Did she say this before the election?
Posted by: DoDo || 02/16/2009 19:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Shieldwolf - good point, and I was overly generalizing, for which I acknowledge I was wrong
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 19:58 Comments || Top||

#6  They're both wrong. One starts by changing the Palestinian souls. Until they renounce violence and commit to peaceful co-existence there is nothing else to talk about.

Posted by: trailing wife || 02/16/2009 20:35 Comments || Top||

#7  How exactly do you discuss peace with Hamas? Doesn't it always come back to this?

Mr. US State Dept: Mr. Jew, meet Mr. Hamas. Mr. Hamas, met Mr. Jew.

Mr. Hamas: I hate you and deny your right to exist you filthy hebrew pig.

Mr. Jew: I will give you land and money for peace.

Mr. Hamas: I hate you and deny your right to exist.

Mr. US State Dept: O-key, well, wow, look at the time! I believe we had enough progress for today. Same time tomorrow guys?

Mr. Jew: Sure.

Mr. Hamas: I hate you and deny your right to exist.
Posted by: Boss Cravilet8390 || 02/16/2009 22:40 Comments || Top||

#8  "One starts by changing the Palestinian souls"

Can't change what they don't got....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 02/16/2009 22:47 Comments || Top||

Everybody welcome Nassur the Bear
Careful, Nassur. We're setting the over/under on when the Zionists send you to meet Farfour, Nahoul, and Assud. Don't get too attached to him, Saraa...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/16/2009 11:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6494 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn - I had my money on the cockroach.
Posted by: Pappy || 02/16/2009 14:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Bear? Bear? Like Paleos know what a bear is? How about something they know, like Abdul the body louse?
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 14:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Hmmmm, I haven't had bear steaks or a good bearburger in several years. Maybe I need to get a hunting license this year. Maybe I'll get a second one for the IDF...
Posted by: Old Patriot || 02/16/2009 14:42 Comments || Top||

#4  That's good, Saraa. Now try on this vest!
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 15:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Yeah, how come Saraa never gets whacked? Could she perhaps be...a Zionist spy setting up the Brave Stuffed Animals of Jihad?
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/16/2009 15:43 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm waiting for Elisha to return.

Posted by: Eric Jablow || 02/16/2009 18:30 Comments || Top||

#7  I always wondered where the gay palestinians hid.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles the flatulent || 02/16/2009 18:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Damn, what a cheap-ass looking mascot! Guess most of their budget went for ammunition and explosives.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 02/16/2009 19:10 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm waiting for Elisha to return.

Oh dear, Eric. I wasn't quite prepared for that image! It would fulfill the martyrdom wishes of all those charming Palestinian parents for their oh so beloved children.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/16/2009 20:32 Comments || Top||

IDF: World duped by Hamas's false civilian death toll figures
Four weeks after Gaza op, Gaza liaison unit shows list of 1,200 names to 'Post,' claims less than a third of Palestinian fatalities were civilians.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  It just reflects the "Worlds" willful ignorance or duplicity.
Posted by: tipover || 02/16/2009 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I vote Duplicity
Posted by: Abu do you love || 02/16/2009 3:14 Comments || Top||

#3  is "world duped" a synonym for "left wing MSM lapped up"
Posted by: Bright Pebbles the flatulent || 02/16/2009 7:57 Comments || Top||

#4  As a consequence of the false information, he added, the IDF was considering setting up a "response team" for future conflicts whose job would be to collect information, analyze it and issue reports as rapidly as possible that refuted Hamas fabrications.

Israel, the US, and other western, law and truth respecting organizations need to recognize that this is the battlefield. This "response team" is a pathetic first step, but at least it is a step. It sure isn't going to get inside the OODA loop of the MSM or Hamas.

I'm still thinking about this, but my respect for the utility of truth and international law in the current war is rapidly diminishing. I am coming to the conclusion that we should not be bound to either when our enemies are not.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 02/16/2009 8:08 Comments || Top||

#5  As a consequence of the false information, he added, the IDF was considering setting up a "response team"...

Taking a que from the Obama administration's Bureau of Expectation Management.
Posted by: Besoeker || 02/16/2009 8:22 Comments || Top||

#6  I disagree. The world MSM wasn't 'duped'. They were in full knowledge that the numbers had been cooked and repeated the lie deliberately.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/16/2009 8:33 Comments || Top||

#7  not even close to the bazillion civilians we killed in Iraq. Mostly in Abu Grahib, I think. I read it in the NYT, quoting the Lancet, so you know it's true
Posted by: Frank G || 02/16/2009 9:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Should be

"World willingly duped..."


"World willingly and enthusiastically duped..."
Posted by: mhw || 02/16/2009 9:53 Comments || Top||

#9  This should be a replay of the "boy who cried wolf". Since every little thing results in a mass casualty situation - mostly BS, then next event should in fact be a mass casualty event. Thousands dead and rotting, the pictures will be terrible - but my point is they have already been photoshopped that way. The world is close to not caring anymore, cull the herd.
Posted by: Rob06 || 02/16/2009 14:00 Comments || Top||

PA to fire dozens of pro-Hamas imams
The Palestinian Authority plans to dismiss dozens of mosque preachers in the West Bank who expressed solidarity with the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip during Operation Cast Lead and incited against the PA leadership and moderate Arab governments.

Jamal Bawatneh, the PA Minister for Religious Affairs, said his ministry was planning "many changes" that would affect a large number of imams in the West Bank.

The minister accused the imams of exploiting the mosque podiums to promote their "private agendas" in violation of ministry regulations.

"Some of the imams and mosque tutors have misused the freedom granted to them," Bawatneh charged. "They thought that the ministry was not aware of their actions."

He said that as far as he was concerned, those who "want to become celebrities and engage in election propaganda should go to the radio and TV stations and not to the mosques. We won't allow them to spread their lies and fabrications in the mosques."

The latest move is seen by Palestinians in the context of the PA leadership's efforts to combat pro-Hamas supporters in the West Bank.

A source in the ministry said the imams who were targeted had expressed sympathy for Hamas during the recent war in the Gaza Strip. Some of them even dared to use Friday prayers to criticize PA President Mahmoud Abbas and other Arab heads of state for failing to take a tougher stance against Israel, the source added.

The PA security forces have in recent weeks arrested several West bank imams on charges of "incitement" during the war and membership in an illegal organization, i.e. Hamas.

The arrests come in spite of attempts by Hamas and Fatah leaders to end their differences and form a national unity government. The two parties have been holding reconciliation talks in Cairo over the past week in a bid to end the power struggle between Hamas and Fatah.

At least three imams from the Ramallah area were arrested by Abbas's security forces in the past few days: Amer Hamoudeh from Kharbata Bani Hareth, Ahmed al-Abed Shalash from Shakba, and Shaker Wahdan from Rantis.

A fourth imam, Jawad al-Natsheh of Hebron, is reported to be seriously ill after being held in a PA prison for three weeks. His family said that he had been brutally tortured while in prison on charges of supporting Hamas and protesting against the war in the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Cry me a river...
Posted by: Ming the Merciless || 02/16/2009 0:32 Comments || Top||

#2  It's a start.
Posted by: Rednek Jehimmuh || 02/16/2009 12:42 Comments || Top||

#3  It would be better if the PA had them shot.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 02/16/2009 19:21 Comments || Top||

Egyptian official brands Lieberman 'racist'
New government must adhere to previous understanding with PA, says ministry spokesman.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I brand him realist.
Posted by: newc || 02/16/2009 1:43 Comments || Top||

#2  I brand him "specieist".
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/16/2009 10:52 Comments || Top||

Abbas freezes W. Bank salaries to pay Gazans
The government of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Sunday it has begun paying compensations to Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, who have lost their homes in the Israeli offensive, by withholding salaries to government workers in both the Israeli-occupied West Bank and the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Abbas's prime minister, Salam Fayyad, said he did not have enough money to pay the salaries.

The financial trade-off underscored the difficult balancing act facing Fayyad, who, in addition to running a government dependent on foreign aid, wants to take the lead in reconstruction efforts in the Gaza Strip to sideline Hamas.

"It is unclear when we will receive money from donors. So I'm not going to put a date on when I can pay salaries," Fayyad told reporters in the West Bank city of Ramallah, where his government is based.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under: Palestinian Authority

#1  Good. The more trouble Paleos have the easier it is for Israel to resist DC passion for peace making.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/16/2009 2:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh that ought to go over well with the Fatah hard boys.
Posted by: AlanC || 02/16/2009 9:28 Comments || Top||

Cabinet to okay wording on Shalit deal, Gaza truce
Israel's political leadership decided yesterday to prepare the text for a cabinet decision on a deal with Hamas for captured soldier Gilad Shalit and a renewed cease-fire. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak opted to prepare such a document for possible presentation to the cabinet on Wednesday.

Meanwhile, a source at the Prime Minister's Bureau said that "efforts to gain the release of Shalit have been significantly accelerated and they will be intensified even more."

But the prime minister's declaration Saturday that there will be no cease-fire agreement or the reopening of the border crossings into Gaza without the release of Shalit stands in stark contrast to Hamas' position. The Islamist group is demanding that the two issues be kept separate and wants the crossings to be reopened before any prisoner exchange.
So that they can extort more from the evil Juice ...
Egyptian officials are now busy on a formula that would allow both sides to claim that their stance was accepted. However, in Israel some observers are pessimistic that Cairo's efforts will bear fruit, and some sources expressed concern that Hamas may toughen its stance in the belief that this will improve their hand.

Another key issue is the identity of the Palestinians that each side is willing to see freed. Hamas has demanded a large proportion of the prisoners on its list of 350 to 450 names. Significant progress has been made, and Israel now opposes only several dozen names.

A spokesman for Hamas' military wing, Abu Obeida, said yesterday that the group insists on the release of three senior figures: Ibrahim Hamed, the leader of the military wing in the West Bank; Abdullah Barghouti, responsible among others for the bombings at the Sbarro pizzeria and Cafe Moment in Jerusalem; and Abbas al-Sayed, mastermind of the Park Hotel massacre in Netanya.

On the other hand, there seems to be support in Israel for the release of Marwan Barghouti, the jailed leader of Fatah's more militant Tanzim faction.
Barghouti might be more useful in the West Bank than in prison. No secret that Abbas doesn't exactly inspire confidence from the Paleos. Barghouti might be a better counterweight to Hamas, even if he is an evil douche-bag.
Hader Shkirat, attorney for Barghouti, told Haaretz yesterday that there will be no deal for Shalit without the release of Barghouti.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'll be stunned and amazed if Shalit comes back as anything other than a damaged corpse.
Posted by: SteveS || 02/16/2009 0:35 Comments || Top||

#2  You misspelled Desecrated :)

But we know what you mean.

Just embed a GPS locator in the 'three leaders' and follow them to the nest.

(actually I probably misspelled desecrated too..)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 02/16/2009 1:07 Comments || Top||

Kadima faction toes Livni's line, won't join Likud-led gov't
A "government of national unity" always looks good on its face. It's one of those things that should work, like socialism or perpetual motion. But the reason we divide among ourselves into different political parties is that we disagree on issues that we deem important. Republicans are free traders, strong on national defense, supportive of small business. Democrats are protectionists, multilateralists leaning strongly toward pacifism, and supportive of labor in the abstract, big labor and big business in practice.

Similar divisions exist in Israel, where the division used to be between Likkud and Labour, and where now it's between Likkud and its offshoot Kadima. Likkud's conservative to the point of scaring the terrorists and their supporters -- which I tend to think of as a good thing, and Kadima's the Oslo wing, given to Norwegian-brokered ceasefires, land for peace, and exchanging a thousand Arabs for a single Israeli. They don't think alike, and as time goes by they're thinking more differently.

Kadima's natural ally has become Labour, the old-style Social Democrat party that's probably closer to the U.S. Democrats than either Kadima or Likkud. Likkud allies more naturally with Israel Beitenu, whose head, Avigdor Lieberman, is denounced by the Arabs for all sorts of sins. Today's example is Egypt calling him a racist. Shas, being out there somewhere and heavily populated by holy men, makes uncomfortable common cause with any of them.

If the thought of a Government of National Unity™ is ludicrous in the U.S., why isn't it ludicrous in any other country? In all the places it's been tried it's failed. Zim-bob-we's the current primo example, but the landscape is littered with lots of others, including Fatah-Hamas.
The Kadima faction stood solidly behind its chairwoman, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, in outlining its official position, presented yesterday: either a unity government headed by Kadima, a rotation of the premiership with Likud, or the opposition. Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz, who Kadima insiders say would like to see the faction in the coalition, even if it is headed by Likud, said, "a unity government headed by Kadima is what is needed. A coalition of 65 MKs will not make it." Sources close to Mofaz said yesterday that he would not allow attempts to drive a wedge between him and Livni by spreading rumors.

Livni came to yesterday's meeting after having spoken on the phone with the party's ministers and lawmakers to make sure none intended to surprise her and contradict her stand on heading for the opposition rather than going into a coalition headed by Likud. Even Housing and Construction Minister Ze'ev Boim toed the line.

Livni's position was revealed ahead of the meeting already, when TV cameras and microphones caught her in conversation with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Livni asked Olmert what he was going to say at the cabinet meeting: "You're going to say something about rotation," to which Olmert responded: "That I want a broad coalition." Livni then said, "Ehud, do me a favor." When they realized they were on camera, Livni wrote Olmert a note, which the cameras caught later: "I have no intention of being in a unity [government] under Bibi and don't hint in that direction. What you're saying is leading there and that's not the Kadima position."

Livni did manage to prevent Olmert from transmitting a message of a broad coalition. Instead, he told the cabinet yesterday that he "hopes a coalition will be established quickly in the context of the challenges Israel faces."

In the faction meeting, Livni said emphatically that Kadima had won and would form the next government. "What's not clear? Twenty-eight is more than twenty-seven. Twenty-eight is not a figure. It's hundreds of thousands of people who have expressed their faith in us. There was no ballot at the polling station with the word 'bloc' or 'camp' on it."
I think this is the Hebrew equivalent of "I won" ...
Alluding to Netanyahu's coalition-making efforts, Livni said: "I am well aware of the deals that were made even before the elections and are still being made at this very moment, to do something against the will of the voter.

"There will be moves now that could be enticing," Livni said, but added, "In this task of putting together a coalition I don't intend to cheat myself or the public. We will continue to serve the public, whether we form a coalition as the public wants, or from the opposition," Livni said.
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#1  Dang, she knows the Rumsfeld 'claws of death' style...
Posted by: Omailing tse Tung7416 || 02/16/2009 1:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Sorry, the above wuz me.
Posted by: Free Radical || 02/16/2009 1:15 Comments || Top||

#3  Give them 3 month in opposition, and see 2/3 of the Kadima MKs defecting to Likud.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 02/16/2009 2:54 Comments || Top||

#4  That would be awfully nice, g(r)omgoru. It would certainly make Bibi Netanyahu's job as prime minister a lot easier.
Posted by: trailing wife || 02/16/2009 20:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Tzippy could do worse than emulate the 1000 fighting styles of Rumsfeld. Ima feeling they are going to need it. Either that or the reanimated corpse of Ariel Sharon.
Posted by: SteveS || 02/16/2009 20:31 Comments || Top||

Olde Tyme Religion
Comix Books w Islamic Heros to Fight for Moderate Islam
Al-Mutawa's [comic] stories are based on a pivotal moment in Islamic history: The 1258 Mongol invasion of Baghdad...stones in the river to suck up wisdom otherwise lost.

Hundreds of years later, the 99 stones are found in different corners of the world by heroes who come from 99 different countries, including the United States, Saudi Arabia, Portugal, Hungary and Indonesia.

Jabbar, the Saudi hero, is a Hulk-like figure whose name means "The Powerful." The American hero, Darr, or "The Afflicter," is a young man paralyzed from the waist down when a drunk driver crashed into his car, killing his family. His power is to take away or inflict pain.

While al-Mutawa used Islam as the basis for his comics, none of the heroes prays or reads the Quran.
that's smart because if they did that, they'd quickly run out of inspiring and moderate verses
There is no mention of religion, and the characters are roughly divided between men and women - one of the main figures is Noora, an 18-year-old woman - and only a few of the women in the comics wear the Islamic headscarf.

Such moves were calculated, said al-Mutawa.
Posted by: mhw || 02/16/2009 08:04 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6490 views] Top|| File under:


The wisdom of Schizophrenia!
The strength of Homicide!
The country of Arabia!
The idiocy of Zenana!
Religious beliefs that are Asinine!
Did I mention murder? I like Murder!

Posted by: Anonymoose || 02/16/2009 10:16 Comments || Top||

Sri Lanka
Lankan voters back govt offensive
Sri Lanka's ruling party has won widespread public support for its war against the Tamil Tigers, local election results showed yesterday, as the military braced for a final assault on the rebels. President Mahinda Rajapakse's Freedom Alliance easily won two provincial councils, which went to the polls Saturday, according to provisional counting. Rajapakse had turned the vote into a referendum on his military campaign to crush separatist Tamil Tiger guerrillas who are cornered in the north-east of the island.

"The results showed that the people supported the government's war effort," defeated main opposition candidate S. B. Dissanayake said.

The president has said he hoped to defeat the Tamil Tigers within days, ending the island's decades-long ethnic conflict.

Officials said the air force on Sunday destroyed at least three boats of the Tamil Tigers off the coast of Mullaittivu district, where the fighting is concentrated. Sri Lankan soldiers fought a series of fierce battles with separatist Tamil Tigers as troops advanced further into the rebels' shrinking territory, the military said yesterday.

Government forces have won a string of major victories against the insurgents in recent months, capturing their administrative capital of Kilinochchi and seizing their main bases in the north. The government says it is on the verge of crushing the rebel group - which is cornered into a 58-square mile (93-square kilometer) strip of northern coastal land in Mullaittivu - and ending the Indian Ocean island nation's 25-year-old civil war.

In the latest fighting, army troops "launched a strong attack" Saturday on rebels in the village of Waduwankal in Mullaittivu, the military said. They later found the bodies of two rebels and a large haul of weapons and ammunition, it said in a statement.
Posted by: Fred || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6473 views] Top|| File under:

India not for LTTE dictatorship in Lanka's north
CHENNAI: Categorically stating that handing over power to LTTE chief Velupillai Prabhakaran was not a solution the Sri Lankan ethnic crisis, Union home minister P Chidambaram on Sunday said India's efforts would never end up creating a dictator' in the island's north-east.

At a public meeting organised by his son Karti Chidambaram to explain the Congress party's stand on the sensitive issue, Chidambaram said the LTTE had never been the sole representatives of 40 lakh Sri Lankan Tamils. "India has no moral responsibility to pressure the Sri Lankan government to hold talks with armed militants,'' he said. India's stand was clear. Just like the Centre was not in a position to negotiate with armed groups operating in Nagaland, Mizoram, Assam and Jammu & Kashmir, Sri Lanka too would not initiate a dialogue with armed militants.
It would set a dangerous precedent, wouldn't it ...
Quoting President Pratiba Patil's speech, the home minister said the Centre would definitely arrange for a ceasefire if the LTTE declared its willingness to lay down arms simultaneously with Colombo suspending military operations. Asking what was wrong with India's policy, he appealed to the LTTE to lay down arms as no state, president or prime minister would negotiate with armed groups.
Listen to the man, Mr. Olmert ...
Chidambaram clearly hinted that post-war negotiations would involve not just the LTTE but leaders of the East and Central provinces as well. The 13 lakh plantation Tamils of Indian origin have their own leaders, the 13 lakh Tamils in the East did accept the LTTE's leadership once but, frustrated by the outfit's violent attitude, the Eastern province now had its own democratically elected chief minister. The LTTE as a movement existed only for the northern Tamils now.

"Talks will be on the basis of the 1987 Indo-Lanka Accord and it will be aimed at solution for all communities, and not for creating a dictatorship," he said.

The LTTE's biggest mistake was in clinically eliminating many Sri Lankan Tamil leaders. And then, it committed the blunder of assassinating Rajiv Gandhi, he said and noted that there were many Tamil leaders still left to pursue the path of democracy in Sri Lanka.

Reminding the people that the Tamil language was the binding and uniting force of Tamils living across the world, Chidambaram said some political parties championing the cause of Sri Lankan Tamils in the state did not even exist in the mid-1980s when he was handpicked by late prime minister Rajiv Gandhi to hold talks with armed Sri Lankan Tamil groups, including the Tigers.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6467 views] Top|| File under:

Sen. JFKerry, in mideast says US eager to talk w Syria
The chairman of the U.S. Senate's Foreign Relations Committee
[God help us]

will meet with Syria's president this week on a tour of the region that began Sunday in Egypt.

The U.S. has accused Syria of allowing foreign fighters to cross its border into Iraq, though Syria denies that. Kerry has in the past spoken of his concern about what he said was the flow of money, weapons and terrorists through Syria into Iraq and Lebanon.

In Egypt on Sunday, the senator said the U.S. is eager to talk to Syria, whose president said last month he also wants a dialogue with Washington, but without preconditions.
here is the dialogue,
Syria: F... Israel
US: Peace?
Syria: Sc... Israel
US: Peace?
Syria: OK we'll settle for cash
Posted by: mhw || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6487 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wearing a French beret.
Posted by: newc || 02/16/2009 1:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Speak for yourself, JFnKerry.
Posted by: gorb || 02/16/2009 4:54 Comments || Top||

#3  He does have previous experience dealing with the enemy while in no legal position to do so. During the Vietnam war he negotiated with the North Vietnamese.
Posted by: Rambler in Virginia || 02/16/2009 7:06 Comments || Top||

#4  sKerry will do for the Assad family what he did for HoChiMinh and his stalinist comrades...sKerry isn't sKerry unless he's working against the best interests of America. That's why he's loved in Massatwoshits.
Posted by: Sonny Ebbeamp1305 || 02/16/2009 7:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Sonny, not all of us in Massaholia like Kerry...or Kennedy or Franks or Patrick or McGovern or Delahunt or........

Of course those that feel like I do could probably all fit on one flight of one 747. 8^(

Posted by: AlanC || 02/16/2009 9:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Kerry also opposed his own country vis-a-vis Nicaragua and the Philippines. The man has an excellent track record of being anti-American and wrong.
Posted by: JDB || 02/16/2009 14:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Am I overreacting to think that America is lost?
Posted by: ex-lib || 02/16/2009 16:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Nope, ex-lib.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 02/16/2009 19:23 Comments || Top||

Syria says US permits money transfer to charity
DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) - The U.S. Treasury Department has authorized the transfer of $500,000 to a Syrian charity in a sign that it is easing its economic embargo on the country, Syria's ambassador to Washington said Sunday. Imad Mustafa told reporters that the money to the Children with Cancer Support Association was raised by Syrians living in the United States. There was no immediate comment from the Treasury Department.
How much gets diverted to the Widows Ammunition Fund?
The U.S., under former President George W. Bush, imposed a variety of sanctions on Syria to punish a government it accused of allowing foreign fighters to cross into Iraq, as well as supporting militant groups in Lebanon and the Palestinian territories. One measure banned U.S. exports to Syria except for food and medicine.

Syria has denied allowing fighters to cross into Iraq, while saying it is impossible to control its extensive desert border.
I wouldn't have minded having us try it, from both sides ...
If the money transfer is confirmed, it would be another sign that the U.S. is easing some sanctions. A Syrian newspaper reported last week that the U.S. Trade Department has agreed to provide spare parts for two Syrian-owned Boeing 747 aircraft out of service for years.
Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6466 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I miss G W Bush already.
Posted by: whatadeal || 02/16/2009 15:56 Comments || Top||

Khatami's candidacy rattles hardliners
Iran's powerful hardliners are showing signs of jangled nerves and disunity after Mohammad Khatami, the country's moderate former president, declared his intention to contest June's presidential elections. Supporters of the hardline incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, hoped that the potent challenge posed to their monopoly on power by Mr Khatami, the charismatic politician-philosopher who still retains some of his rock star-like popularity, would unite conservatives behind the president.

But a hardline deputy revealed last weekend that some conservatives are ready to ditch the populist Mr Ahmadinejad as their most obvious candidate -- if they can persuade Mr Khatami to stand down.

Ali Motahhari, the MP, said the plan had been discussed with many "Principlists", the flattering term hardliners use to proclaim themselves as exclusively loyal devotees of the principles of the Islamic Revolution -- and all agreed.

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Posted by: Steve White || 02/16/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6475 views] Top|| File under:

#1  moderate former president

Shades of black.
Posted by: Pappy || 02/16/2009 10:17 Comments || Top||

Terror Networks
Former Lebanese MP Ghassan Matar: I Am Ashamed to Admit I Am Happy When U.S. Soldiers Are Killed
Former Lebanese MP Ghassan Matar: I Am Ashamed to Admit I Am Happy When U.S. Soldiers Are Killed; Juices Believe They Should Purify the World, as Written in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion™'

Following are excerpts from interviews with former Lebanese MP and poet Ghassan Matar, which aired on NBN TV and Teleliban TV on January 19 and 23, 2009.
Teleliban TV, January 23, 2009:

To view this clip.


Teleliban TV, January 23, 2009: "We Have the Right™ to Exact Revenge from the American People — Even If This People is Innocent"

Ghassan Matar: "I am ashamed to say this, but I see our own children being killed every day by American weapons and by means of U.S. support of Israel. When I read: 'Today, the number of [U.S.] casualties in Iraq has climbed...' Excuse me for saying this. I'm really ashamed to say this, but I want to be honest. It is no longer just an issue with the U.S. administration. We are not ready to accept even the American people. The administration of the Americans has afflicted so many tragedies and wounds upon us, and has spilled so much blood, that we have begun to feel that we have the Righ™t to exact revenge from the American people, even if this people is innocent and has nothing to do with its leadership's deeds."[...]

NBN TV, January 19, 2009: Juices' "Belief Is Based Upon Killing... The Culture of Killing in the Zionist™ Sense is Part of Their Genes"

Ghassan Matar: "Some people try to draw a distinction between Zionists™ and Juices, but as far as I am concerned, there is no distinction."
Refreshing honesty, nice change of pace from the tired false dichotomy.

Interviewer: "They are all the same?"

Ghassan Matar: "Zionism™ is the daughter of that belief. Of course, some people say that the Torah of the Juices was forged.
Well, every Holy book of every religion (starting with Christianity) is forged, according to the muslims, only the Koran is legit and unaltered.
When the Juices themselves admit that this Torah is forged... But at the moment, this is their book, and we should read what's in it. What commandments were given to this people throughout history? They are all about killing. Whoever is not a Juice is considered to be one of the gentiles. In other words, he is not a human, and it is permissible to kill him.
Shouldn't he be refering to the talmud instead?
"This culture is born with the child. He suckles it with his mother's milk. When he grows — their schools, their culture, their books, their education, their guidance, their upbringing..."

Interviewer: "This belief is based upon killing."
"Unlike us, Peace Loving, Highly-Functional Arabs!"

Ghassan Matar: "This belief is based upon killing. Of course, they always try to portray themselves to the world as victims. They say that they are the ones being attacked, and so on, and I'm about to cry because Hitler killed a few..."

Interviewer: "Juices."

Ghassan Matar: "Let's assume that Hitler indeed carried out these things — the whole world denounced Hitler for his massacres. Should the lesson learned from Hitler's massacres be to perpetrate similar massacres against another people? The culture of killing in the Zionist™ sense is part of their genes." [...]

"By Means of the Media, Money, Lies, And Deceit, [The Juices] Have Managed to Train the European World... Let's Examine 'The Protocols'"

"The 20 million [Juices] are against the world. By means of the media, money, lies, and deceit, they have managed to train the European world to view them as the victims. They have subjugated the world to their extortion ever since World War II, and it is us Arabs who have paid the highest price for this."
"Are they not the ones who influence political and economic decision-making in America? Yet they live in their own [quarters] and the same is true in Europe. Whenever you go anywhere in the world, you see the Arabs mixing and assimilating, because the Arabs are an open-minded people, with an open culture.
Hell, yeah, sure. You believe that... whatever float your boat, buddy.
The culture of [the Juices], on the other hand, is a closed, fossilized culture."

Interviewer: "What are they afraid of?"

Ghassan Matar: "It's not that they are afraid of anything. They view themselves as the chosen ones, and the others as their servants. Therefore, they refuse to mix with the other peoples, because they consider the others to be inferior. It is not about fear."

Interviewer: "It's arrogance."

Ghassan Matar: "It's a complex... They call themselves God's Chosen People. If they are God's Chosen People, what are the rest of the people? God's Chosen Beasts? Their sense that they are distinct from the rest of the world prevents them from assimilating into societies.
"What brought them to the land of Paleostine? Was it their ideological national cause? Or was it because they felt they needed a state that would rule the world? Let's examine The Protocols of the Elders of Zion™. They believe that they were created in order to purify the world. These are their concepts. The rest of the world — three, four, five billion people — are at their best when they are being killed."
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 02/16/2009 14:20 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [6469 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, I'll bet he ain't that ashamed...
Posted by: tu3031 || 02/16/2009 14:39 Comments || Top||

#2  They are all about killing. Whoever is not a Juice is considered to be one of the gentiles. In other words, he is not a human, and it is permissible to kill him.

I've met a lot of Juices and I've never gotten that impression from any of them. Now, muslims...
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 02/16/2009 15:42 Comments || Top||

#3  I am happy to admit that I am happy when muslims get killed.
Posted by: A || 02/16/2009 15:46 Comments || Top||

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