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Arabia
Saudi Arabia: Iraq major terror base
Saudi Arabia's interior minister on Sunday called Iraq a major base for terrorism, a sign of growing concerns in this oil-rich kingdom over its violence-plagued neighbor. "There is no doubt that Iraq now forms a main base for terrorism," Saudi Interior Minister Prince Naif told the pan-Arab Al-Arabiya television station in the kingdom's capital.

Prince Naif said that the situation in Iraq is deteriorating daily, and the country has become a threat in the region. "The situation in Iraq is changing day after day, and this situation has numerous threats," he said before his departure to the United Arab Emirates to attend a meeting to discuss security issues in the Gulf states. "We are going to deal as one department," he said, according to the official Saudi Press Agency.

There is growing alarm in the region over the situation in Iraq, where US forces are struggling to prevent Sunni-Shi'ite violence from escalating to full-scale civil war. Saudi Arabia has been moving forward with plans to build a fence along its frontier with Iraq to prevent militants from crossing the border. Prince Naif also said that Saudi youth were being lured to fight in Iraq by some parties.

US and Iraqi officials have long complained about Saudi extremists crossing into Iraq to join the battle against American and coalition forces. US officials announced last April that Saudis were among the top five nationalities among foreign fighters captured by coalition forces in Iraq.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [299 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mr. Pot, please allow me to introduce you to Mr. Kettle. Oh, and Mr. Black awaits you both.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 0:12 Comments || Top||

#2  It must be. It's where we send all the checks...
Posted by: Saudi Interior Minister Prince Naif || 11/13/2006 0:19 Comments || Top||

#3  Wahabi mullahs routinely issue jihad calls from mosques in the Saud kingdom. And Iraq Sunnis are getting mortars from somewhere. Then there is the cash which is being used to corrupt Iraq officials.

However, all things considered I still advocate playing the Sunni Card in the current conflict. Unfortunately, our choice is between bad and worse.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/13/2006 1:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Izzat from a Tarot deck?
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 1:51 Comments || Top||

#5  why the John Kerry pic?
Posted by: Frank G || 11/13/2006 12:00 Comments || Top||

#6  or translated into arabic

"job done"
Posted by: Prince Naif || 11/13/2006 18:15 Comments || Top||


Britain
UK mulls hate law reform as far-right leader cleared
Britain’s racial and religious hatred laws may need reform after a court cleared a far-right leader for the second time this year over a speech in which he called Islam a “wicked, vicious faith”, ministers said. Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party, was found not guilty on Friday of inciting racial hatred during secretly filmed speeches in 2004.

“If you say Islam is wicked and evil and there is no consequence from that whatsoever, what is being said to young Muslim people in this country is that we ... are anti-Islam.”
Two senior ministers said the comments had upset most Britons and British Muslims needed reassurance that the laws would protect them. “Any preaching of religious or racial hatred will offend mainstream opinion in this country and I think we have got to do whatever we can to root it out,” the Chancellor (Finance Minister) Gordon Brown told the BBC. “If that means that we have to look at the laws again, I think we will have to do so.” Constitutional Affairs Secretary Charles Falconer said the country had to show it would not tolerate attacks on Islam. “If you say Islam is wicked and evil and there is no consequence from that whatsoever, what is being said to young Muslim people in this country is that we ... are anti-Islam,” he told the BBC.

Of Britain’s 60 million people, some 1.6 million are Muslims.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's remarkable, IMHO, how politicians so cavalierly expel brain farts into press microphones perfumed as the unquestionable concerns of the masses...

When intuition tells me most folks are prolly thinking about far more mundane things, such as what's on the telly...

Farce.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 2:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Watch them write a new law and haul these 2 back into court once again. It's showing the public in the UK that the Emperor has no clothes and gaining more support for the BNP. Just the opposite effect of what these stupid TRANZI fools intended.

By the way the BNP is a left party not far right as labled by the press, they are to the left of labor on every issue but immigration and non assimilating immigrants.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/13/2006 3:58 Comments || Top||

#3  This was Brown writing off ANY chance of being elected.

Thought crime legislation is not popular, especially when the majority of people agree with it.

Falconer is Bliars mate. Not elected.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 11/13/2006 5:37 Comments || Top||

#4  If you say Islam is wicked and evil and there is no consequence from that whatsoever...

Then you're living in a free country. If there are consequences, then you're not.

Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/13/2006 7:34 Comments || Top||

#5  If you say Islam is wicked and evil and there is no consequence from that whatsoever, what is being said to young Muslim people in this country is that we ... are anti-Islam.

And yet still they come. That sweet jizya keeps'em coming back every time.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:46 Comments || Top||

#6  "...was found not guilty on Friday of inciting racial hatred..."

Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid...Muslimoid?
Posted by: DepotGuy || 11/13/2006 9:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Nothing wicked or evil about cutting off heads, or bombing buses, or raping infidel women and girls, or burning cars, or boinking the donkey, or defacing the wife, or killing the daughter, or inciting violence and murder against non-Muslims, is there ? Huh ? Tell me or I will cut out your tongue.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 12:56 Comments || Top||

#8  What is classic about this it the BBC secrectly recorded the private meeting this "hate speech" took place at and gave it to the peelers. Because the BBC says the BNP is evil. Yet the BBC doesn't secretly go into mosques and record the "hate speech" there. When requested to turn over footage of criminal acts commited by muslims the BBC refuses the peelers requests.

The BBC fueling hate and racisim "it's what we do".
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/13/2006 13:35 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
China sub secretly stalked U.S. fleet
Snip, duplicate, see following story. AoS.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 07:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [641 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In contrast, Chinese military visitors have been invited to military exercises and sensitive U.S. facilities.
Additionally, military intelligence officials said Adm. Fallon has restricted U.S. intelligence-gathering activities against China, fearing that disclosure of the activities would upset relations with Beijing.

Adm. Fallon should fall on his steak knife. Fool !
What chance have we got if we're led by fools ?
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:00 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder if China has the fundamental ability for serious military aggression anymore. How many of those one-child families are really going to support actions that risk elimination of their personal gene pool if there's no 'self-protection' angle to it? No matter how much patriotic rhetoric the pols spout, how many dead families lines would be an acceptable price for, say, forced re-unification with Taiwan? (And their leadership is 'political', though not selected in the same way as the west.)
I don't feel China is our enemy - more a rival. I don't 'fear' China because I think they are mainly rational, according to the same general set of logical rules that apply to us. Same with Russia, pretty much. We may lose out to them somehow, but the biggest concern is some kind of accidental conflict brought on by failed communication (misinterpreted message or misjudged 'brink').
Islam is different. It threatens all logical peoples and countries (whether they recognize it yet or not.) China may stalk our fleet (and be getting pretty good at it), just as we stalk theirs, but I don't see either of us initiating an attack. Too much to lose and too little to gain. The concern is they might sell the technology to Iran and train the Iranians to use it - and Iran WOULD be willing to initiate an attack on us. Logical to China - weaken US in area that threatens China (military) at little military risk or economic cost.
Lesson: learn what China is doing, track its dealings with Iran, and prepare defenses against Iranian application (remembering Iran has different (il)logic.)
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/13/2006 8:45 Comments || Top||

#3  ...Something is really wrong with this story. Besides the fact that a diesel powered boat supposedly got that close to the Kitty Hawk, NO sub skipper, regardless of his skill, abilities, or ball size, would have been suicidal enough to surface literally inside the battle group. Something just does not add up.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/13/2006 9:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't the Chinese and the Russians always stalk us? Is that news?

Mike's point is interesting. Maybe the real story is that the sub surfaced.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 9:20 Comments || Top||

#5  Sounds like the ChiComs have a caterpillar drive.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:35 Comments || Top||

#6  Methinks this is a intramural turf-war being fought via the pages of the Washington Times.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 10:22 Comments || Top||

#7  I agree that this stinks to high heaven. Several possible scenarios:

1) Chinese attempt to embarass this Admiral.
2) Submarine was forced to surface by US forces.
3) Fleet intentionally allowed submarine within their perimeter to conceal detection abilities.
4) Submarine was forced to surface by mechanical fault.
5) Submarine crew attempting to defect.
6) Third party involvement.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 10:27 Comments || Top||

#8  I have to agree with "anon" - what is so unusul about a Chinese submarine shadowing a large naval task force operating in the Western Pacific Ocean? It would be amazing if their submarines DIDN'T approach our naval exercises in their zone of interest. In international waters, so long as no threat of collision is instigated, they have as much right as we do to be under way.

The "undetected" angle is presumably an unsubstantiated assumption on the part of some journlist without security access to the facts. I doubt that this "fact" would be confirmed or denied by the US Navy.

Practically-speaking, a submarine could totally shut down, and drift ahead of the path of a US task force underway, and there is not much that the moving task force could do to detect it, until it was literally on top of it. Big deal.

LR
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 11/13/2006 10:30 Comments || Top||


#10  Interesting comments from current and former submariners over at www.michellemalkin.com:


[T]he Song-class diesel boat was spotted on the surface about five miles from the Kitty Hawk. So, either the Chinese were trying desperately to let us know that they could get that close to us, or this is another of a series of attempts by the Chinese to send their submarines farther afield where they just can't seem to stay undetected and/or submerged. Since they have nothing to gain by taunting us like that, I vote for the second option.
For some background: the Chinese were probably interested in checking out preparations for the Annualex 18G exercises taking place south of Kyushu. The media will probably try to make a big deal out of the presence of Asheville and Seawolf in the exercise, and claim that even our vaunted nuclear attack subs couldn't stop the Chinese sub from approaching the carrier. Even if that is true, it's more likely that the subs would have been some distance off, tasked with preparing for the exercise. To re-iterate: any decent diesel boat could approach this close to a carrier during peacetime. This doesn't mean they could do it during periods of heightened tensions. The Chinese Song-class sub is a tiny little 2,250 ton boat that is the first indigenously-designed Chinese boat; it's probably about two generations behind Western or Russian diesel boats.


Any other submariners care to weigh in?

***

Reader Steve e-mails:

I served on a fast attack sub & I concur with the bubblehead who commented. It's no big deal. However, I am willing to bet that one of our nuclear subs who detected the diesel sub, alerted the carrier (and the anti-sub helicopters) and was actually tracking the diesel.
Steve Brock
USS Lapon SSN661


Reader Rob S.:

As a former submariner (USS Louisville SSN724), I agree with Bubblehead's analysis. Although China seems to be fielding more capable subs as of late, they are still lagging by a generation or two compared to technological capabilities of our current (although dwindling) sub fleet. I don't necessarily agree that the Chinese sub's broaching (inadvertent surfacing)(italics mine - MK)
was in this case a function of their lag in technologically; more often it is a lack in shipboard operational proficiency or a tactical understanding of the ocean environment. He is right on about the likelihood of the two "in-theater" boats - the Seawolf and the Asheville - being far off in preps for the exercise, as this is the standard scenario for military exercises involving submarines.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/13/2006 10:41 Comments || Top||

#11  How many of those one-child families are really going to support actions that risk elimination of their personal gene pool if there's no 'self-protection' angle to it? No matter how much patriotic rhetoric the pols spout, how many dead families lines would be an acceptable price for, say, forced re-unification with Taiwan?

Interesting point, Glenmore. China's unelected politburo probably doesn't give a shit about this, but you're right, their citizens more than likely would. Maybe we need to start spreading this meme throughout China to reorient public opinion on Taiwan and expansionism in general.

I still remain concerned about China because, like 1970-1980s Japan, they are waging economic war. We need to precipitate a major fiscal collapse in China, preferrably right after we spread this information.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 13:14 Comments || Top||

#12  Having been stationed with the Helicopter squadron tasked with supporting the KH, i can tell you the SH-60's capabilities are head and shoulders above anything out there, so any 'undetected' comments should be taken w/ a grain of NaCl.
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/13/2006 14:00 Comments || Top||

#13  I agree with your #3 answer, Anonymoose! The Chicoms want to see how fast the detection grid 'lights', when they "coma callin"!
Posted by: smn || 11/13/2006 14:38 Comments || Top||

#14  I'm a former ASWO - Spru-can mid 90's. Diesel boats cannot make way fast enough submerged to catch up to a BG - morelikely, the BG was transiting back/forth from an exercise box to/from a nightly steaming box along a route they've already established and traveled several times before. The diesel boat probably sat there waiting for them then surfaced.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 11/13/2006 14:41 Comments || Top||

#15  He probably surfaced because of a material problem.
Posted by: Penguin || 11/13/2006 23:01 Comments || Top||

#16  'Tis prob (3), as USN or NATO NAVEXS had Soviet subs observe them visually many times, both surfaced + sub-surfaced. This prob also a subtle dual-msg to the West > iff anything happens over NORTH KOREA or NK-TAIWAN, etc, the USN should expect LR Chicom subs to shadow + fire nuclearized SLM's = TLCMS upon US CVBG/CBG's + ARG's in a heartbeat.For now, they'll mostly lie in wait - as time goes on, they do what the Soviet Navy did and start waiting off US ports, bases + cities. ASSASSINS MACE > resort to TAKE-AND-HOLD followed by IMMEDIATE NUCLEAR RE-INFORCEMENT + MILPOL/GEOPOL NUCLEAR ESCALATION. PRIORITY remains POLITICAL VICTORY over MILITARY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 23:48 Comments || Top||


S Korea Refuses to Join Stop & Search of N Korean ships for WMD
THE South Korean Government has defied American pressure and refused to join a stop-and-search campaign against North Korean weapons of mass destruction proliferation. It is the second rebuff from Roh Moo-hyun's administration to US efforts to organise purposeful sanctions in retaliation for Pyongyang's October 9 nuclear bomb test and again exposes disagreement among the frontline states about how to deal with the rogue regime. A meeting of senior government officials convened at the weekend by Prime Minister Han Myung-sook decided the Seoul administration would not participate in the US-led Proliferation Security Initiative.

The US and allies such as Australia and Japan regard the PSI as a primary tool of international sanctions against North Korean nuclear and missile proliferation authorised by UN Security Council Resolution 1718. However, South Korea and China question the legality of PSI activities and the North Koreans have warned they will treat an attempt to interdict one of its vessels as an act of war. Resolution 1718 calls for "inspection of cargo to and from" North Korea but does not specify how, or under what authority, that should be done.

South Korea is officially an observer-member of the PSI, launched in 2003, but conspicuously does not participate in its activities for fear of antagonising the North Korean regime.

The Roh administration's refusal to make a meaningful contribution to the PSI -- following its rejection of US demands to withdraw from two "inter-Korean" development projects, Kaesong industrial park and the Mt Kumgang resort -- will deepen alienation between the White House and the Blue House. The South Koreans believe the Bush administration pays insufficient regard to the economic and humanitarian costs -- and the risk of military attack on Seoul -- if the Kim regime starts to collapse under external pressure.

America will be further antagonised by comments attributed to South Korean officials expressing hope that the removal of hardline US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the hammering the Republicans took in last week's congressional elections will oblige the White House to take a more accommodating stance on North Korea.

US officials are also unhappy about Blue House security adviser Song Min-soon becoming Foreign Minister this week to replace Ban Ki-moon, who finished work on Friday before assuming his new post as UN Secretary-General. Mr Song, who was a participant in the weekend's decision-making, is one of the drivers of engagement and an outspoken critic of US foreign policy.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 00:46 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [339 views] Top|| File under:

#1  More evidence that the SKors don't want anything to happen that would cause the collapse of the NKors. They have their lives and they just don't want to be bothered.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/13/2006 1:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Fine, let's pull out all of our troops and promise South Korea that all we'll ever do is come back in and bomb the shit out of any further conflicts. No more boots on the ground, ever. See how they like that.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 1:11 Comments || Top||

#3  FREEREPUBLIC.com/OTHER > "EMPTY" NorKor ship stopped near Mumbai. Varied theories on the Net about why the ship was [mysteriously]empty.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 1:32 Comments || Top||

#4  SKor doesnt want to help?

Fine. F**k 'em. Let them deal with the north ALONE if thats how they want it.

Pull ALL our guys back to Japan, then to the US - add them to the Iraq rotations. We need them there more than we need them in a hostile Korea that is rich but cheap-saktes on defense at our expense.

And tell the SKors that if NKor starts anything with us, we're going to pop Pyongyang hard and bomb them silly to destroy their nuke program.

Tell them we dont give a rats ass about Seoul - thats their problem dealing with Kim's artillery and troops that will level Seoul, since they dont want to help us with ours, we will not help them with their problem. We suggest they invade and push that artillery out of range, but they can stand there and get pounded for all we care. They had thier chance and thier coice and they decided NKor relations were more important than us, so live with the consequences.

Bit of realism might wake them up. And if not, carry through with it. We can buy our cheap microwaves from China, and Kia and Hyundia suck as cars anyway.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/13/2006 1:39 Comments || Top||

#5  Allies run both ways. It's a two way street. The SKORS cannot have it both ways, especially using the US for its umbrella while spitting in our face. I would start a phased withdrawl on a timetable with a fairly short horizon. Then all of SKOR can think a while about the consequences of an ally that will only provide air and sea power. They are worried about taking over a busted NORK? They better start thinking about the destruction of the SKOR economy when investors and vendors start to worry about the reliability of getting products from SKOR.

The world needs a dose of reality on what it means to cave in to evil. Actions => consequences. The Paleos my never get it, but I have a gut feeling that SKOR may, just may, get it when they look into the abyss.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/13/2006 2:22 Comments || Top||

#6  Amen, AP. The interesting thing is that it appears many presume SKor will be the dominant "partner" in this inevitable fiasco - and I do believe that it is inevitable that they'll "merge", one way or t'other. And if they're not? Won't that be a whole new thang?
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 3:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Start removing troops and equipment by June 2007 and have us out by January 2008. Move it all to Guam or back to the US. There is no room in Japan from what I understand from people who have been there, it's a simple matter of logistics.

I am tired of paying to defend people with not will to defend themselves. We do it for Europe and we get no respect or help from them, the south Korean's seem to have the same disease. Screw them.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/13/2006 3:47 Comments || Top||

#8  This is the problem with entangling alliances that the early US administrations were talking about. Basically, your allies start figuring that you can't possibly be doing this out of the goodness of your heart. From there, they move on to the feeling that you must be getting something over them - there's got to be some angle involved, i.e. you must be exploiting them in some unfair manner. Then they swing to the conclusion that you can't do without defending them. Upon which they decide they can start demanding all kinds of concessions from you for the privilege of defending them.

Mind you, the early Americans administrations were talking about entangling, but temporary alliances for the purpose of dealing with specific issues - the coalitions of the willing to which Rumsfeld referred. We have cast-in-stone alliances that have run over 50 years. I'm not at all surprised that these people are starting to see us as their enemies rather than their friends. I suspect they'll be a lot friendlier to us if they have to beg for our help instead of being able to take it for granted.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 11/13/2006 4:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Nice clear and concise wrap on alliances, ZF - Thx! Best summary of the process and evolution I've seen.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:52 Comments || Top||

#10  Here would be a good place for the DemocRats to call for retreat redeployment. Of course they won't, as pulling out here wouldn't hurt our war effort.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:44 Comments || Top||

#11  This would be a strong start for any serious candidate for prez in '08. Pull troops out of the ingrateful SKor, and patrol our southern border with them. No additional expense, and doing something useful for us for a change.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:14 Comments || Top||

#12  ZF -
"they'll be a lot friendlier to us if they have to beg for our help instead of being able to take it for granted."
Kind of applies to welfare too. US, but even worse, France & rest of EU.

SPoD - why not re-deploy to, say, Tehran? Or Damascus?

I think SK is more afraid of 'winning' against NK than losing to them. In a conflict, SK would, I think' win, though at a painful cost, but then the disaster that is NK would be THEIR responsibility (think West Germany absorbing East Germany, but with East Germany at least ten times worse of a basket case.) So avoid conflict and aim to maintain status quo.
Posted by: Glenmore || 11/13/2006 8:53 Comments || Top||

#13  Seriously, folks. In this case it is time to redeploy to Okinawa.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:37 Comments || Top||

#14  Actually send the gear to Guam (ro-ro ships like we have at Diego Garcia), and the units to Wash state (port facilities) and Hawaii.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/13/2006 11:53 Comments || Top||

#15  Let the South Korean politicians find out that words have meanings and that in the new world order, Uncle Sugar is tired of being played for a sucker. Wasn't the 2nd ID going to deploy to Alaska anyway? While the airbases are convenient, I think the US could do without them. On a personal note, I could probably make the sacrifice and do without kimchi and soju. Bring the boys and girls home. We have plenty of other places where they are needed and wanted.
Posted by: RWV || 11/13/2006 12:25 Comments || Top||

#16  To his credit, Rumsfeld has worked to reduce current and planned troops in SK. That process needs to accelerate to ASAP. We have more strategic flexibility vis a vis NK once we cease to be a target for Kimmie's artillery. SK is for all intents and purposes on their side. Even China is more help on this issue.
Posted by: JAB || 11/13/2006 14:34 Comments || Top||


Europe
Czechs foiled N Korea nuclear purchase last year -- three times
The Czech secret service (BIS) disrupted three attempts last year by North Korea to purchase special equipment needed for nuclear arms production, Czech media reported.

"Last year our service halted three export deals headed for North Korea, in particular special machine tools, their components and spare parts," BIS spokesman Jan Subrt told the CTK news agency. North Korea is said to have been looking to buy special machine tools that would enable it to produce smaller nuclear weapons. Subrt said the equipment sought by North Korea could be used in the arms industry for the production of both conventional and nuclear weapons and their launchers. Czech Television, quoting a BIS source, said that after the first attempt to buy the equipment failed, North Korea tried to make the purchase via a third country, but was thwarted again.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 00:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [303 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cool - and thanks from everyone in the semi-civilized world.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 3:14 Comments || Top||

#2  The Czechs seem to be at the forefront in pressuring communists everywhere. They don't seem to have any sense of humor about these things, and want payback.

Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 8:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Czech were Communist by fiat only. 'moose - payback is an understatement...
Posted by: BigEd || 11/13/2006 16:42 Comments || Top||

#4  It was a clean operation. No Czechs were cancelled.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 18:58 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Anti-Americanisms in World Politics - Policy Review
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 19:43 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [307 views] Top|| File under:


Rosie O: '"Don't fear terrorists, they're just moms and dads"
TV host Rosie O'Donnell says there's no reason for Americans to fear terrorists because they are just moms and dads like us. On her ABC show "The View" last Thursday, the shoot-from-the-lip actress-comedienne explained in less-than Rooseveltian fashion that Americans have nothing to fear but fear itself.

"Faith or fear, that's your choice," she told co-host Elizabeth Hasselbeck and panelists including Barbara Walters and Beverly Sills. "You can walk through life believing in the goodness of the world, or walk through life afraid of anyone who thinks different than you and trying to convert them to your way of thinking. And I think that this country ... ."

To which Hasselbeck interjected: "Well, I'm a person of faith, so I, but I also believe ... ."

"Well then, get away from the fear," interrupted O'Donnell. "Don't fear the terrorists. They're mothers and fathers."

O'Donnell also said few were willing to speak out against the Iraq war in the beginning because, "people were blacklisted. We were close to the McCarthy era, where if you said that you were against the policies of the administration, you were called unpatriotic."
Remind us, Rosie, exactly who was blacklisted?
On Sept. 12, O'Donnell said on the show "radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America."
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/13/2006 11:06 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [507 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I was in Borders yesterday and of the new releases there were a bunch of new books on how evil Christians, Jews and Buddhist were. Nothing about Islam.

This less than a week after the election.

Can we put Rosie up at a hotel in Yemen or Warastan? Somewhere she could check out her theory?
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 11:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Say it in Saudi without a veil on.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 11/13/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah.

Don't be afraid.

Just run away.

That's a solid strategy for vitory.

Let's retreat!
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#4  good. She's making such an idiot of herself that they will have to pull her or risk appearing to agree with her lunacy.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 11:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually the Terrs are not moms and dads - for the most part they are single men 16-28, violent angry and criminally inclined, motivated by extremist intolerant religious ideaology of the Islamacists.

Rosy o fat ass needs an immediate correction when she spouts apologist bilge like that.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/13/2006 11:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Bold words from a fat, infidel lesbian with her own personal armed bodyguard.
Posted by: SteveS || 11/13/2006 11:50 Comments || Top||

#7  What a demented bitch.
But we already knew that.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/13/2006 12:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Fred needs to start a new section "Morons in the Media." Probably not enough bandwidth to include them all, however.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 12:18 Comments || Top||

#9  Rosie O. hasn't noticed the moms and dads sending their junior birdmen out the door with those cute little exploding vests.
Posted by: Phineter Thraviger1073 || 11/13/2006 12:24 Comments || Top||

#10  As I've already pointed out many times and Barbara indicated yesterday; It's these gay liberals who would be the first to get beheaded once the Islamists arrive. This sort of stupidity would be hilarious if it weren't so dangerous.

I'll certainly go with OldSpook on the need for immediate slap-upside-the-head corrections when shit like this is spewed. Frightening as it may be, these morons actually influence the public's thinking and there needs to be some way of instantly making a fool out of anyone who spouts such patently false bullshit.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 12:34 Comments || Top||

#11  It would seem like just the easiest thing to do, to publish in Arabic newspapers an editorial exclaiming how Islam is a false religion, Mohammed was a fraud, and how Moslem children should be forcibly converted to atheism and made to eat pork.

By Rosie O'Donnell.

Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 12:35 Comments || Top||

#12  You can walk through life believing in the goodness of the world...

And get your ass handed to you everytime.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/13/2006 12:36 Comments || Top||

#13  ...or head.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||

#14  Let them eat cake bacon.
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/13/2006 12:55 Comments || Top||

#15  there needs to be some way of instantly making a fool out of anyone who spouts such patently false bullshit

it's called the Internet. Maybe youo've heard of it

Oh wait...
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 12:56 Comments || Top||

#16  Stalin was a dad.
Posted by: Baba Tutu || 11/13/2006 12:58 Comments || Top||

#17  Cripes--so what would they do to this chunky muff diver in an islamic society? Would they hang her, like they hang gays in Iran? Would they expect her own family to perform an "honor" killing? Or would they bury her up to her neck and stone her to death?

But cheer up, Rosie! Remember the people who'd butcher you are just moms and dads!
Posted by: Dar || 11/13/2006 13:11 Comments || Top||

#18  Hitler wasn't a dad.
Whaddya think his excuse was, Rosebag?
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/13/2006 13:20 Comments || Top||

#19  perfect graphic! Someday we will use Rosie's picture to symoblize drip-drooling stupid.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 13:22 Comments || Top||

#20  Gordon Liddy once said to David Frost "The trouble with Liberals is they think the ocean is inhabited by "Charlie the Tuna". I've got news for you, it's "Jaws" out there."
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/13/2006 13:42 Comments || Top||

#21  Why does anybody listen to this fat POS anymore anyway?
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/13/2006 14:06 Comments || Top||

#22  Cripes--so what would they do to this chunky muff diver in an islamic society?

Marry her off, of course. It's not like her opinions on the matter would be consulted, and in Egypt at least the standard of beauty was 100 kg, so it wouldn't take long. Although that second bit was back in the 1980s according to an amusing little story related by Mr. Wife at the time, so perhaps it's changed since.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#23  it's called the Internet. Maybe youo've heard of it

Get a clue. I'm talking about refuting such bullshit in the exact same arena that it's broadcasted in. The viewing public that gets fed this horseshit needs a promptly administered anti-dote before the poison reaches their bloodstream.

The people who are watching or listening to Rosie aren't usually patroling the Internet for their information. Are you going to argue that?
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 14:27 Comments || Top||

#24  Moms and Dads just like us = gay terrorists?
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 14:43 Comments || Top||

#25  Rosie, you can be fat or obnoxious or stupid, but you can't get away with being all three.
Posted by: Ebbaling Hupavise8113 || 11/13/2006 15:00 Comments || Top||

#26  I am trying to think if I have heard a more stupid remark by a "celebrity" in the past week.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2006 15:03 Comments || Top||

#27  Rosie's just like Jimmy Carter. There's no reason to post her lunacy on Rantburg except to sit back and enjoy all the snarking that will surely result.

FWIW, looks like Hasselbeck at least tried to interject but was nowhere near assertive enough. Might have been a good cat fight if she had.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 11/13/2006 15:24 Comments || Top||

#28  I don't see why we can't take the Gitmo boys and these LLL "they just need some love" MFrrss like Rosie, Sheenan ect.. put them all in a big Dome sit back and enjoy. At the end of the day we will either have no more LLL's and thier bretheren may finally understand we are at WAR or who knows they may actually love the Jihadi's into blissfull gay love and peace on earth cumbya.

Sounds like a win win in my book. Only if I was President.
Posted by: C-Low || 11/13/2006 15:58 Comments || Top||

#29  Rosie, you can be fat or obnoxious or stupid, but you can't get away with being all three.

I dunno, she seems pretty talented.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/13/2006 15:59 Comments || Top||

#30  "I dunno, she seems pretty talented."

At what?
Posted by: OldSpook || 11/13/2006 16:51 Comments || Top||

#31  Bold words from a fat, infidel lesbian with her own personal armed bodyguard.

Ya beat me to those thoughts, Steve S.
Posted by: BigEd || 11/13/2006 16:52 Comments || Top||

#32  Sounds to me like Rosie and Elton John are a marriage made in Heaven. One hates Christianity, and the other hates organized religion in general...and they are both fat, obnoxious, and stupid.

Maybe we can give Sir Elton the Mike Tyson award for stupidity for blowing over $100 million US and flirting with bankruptcy.
Posted by: anymouse || 11/13/2006 16:58 Comments || Top||

#33 
It would take one large, musty burka to cover her.
Posted by: Master of Obvious || 11/13/2006 17:08 Comments || Top||

#34  Re" #33 Omar's Tent and Awning is having an end of the year sale; perhaps her size is in stock. (or should that be 'sail')
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/13/2006 17:49 Comments || Top||

#35  It would take one large, musty burka to cover her.

I'm sure the Ringling Brothers have one that they can spare.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 17:50 Comments || Top||

#36  "Sounds to me like Rosie and Elton John are a marriage made in Heaven. One hates Christianity, and the other hates organized religion in general...and they are both fat, obnoxious, and stupid."

-and gay. Rosie could be the guy in the relationship.

"Would they hang her, like they hang gays in Iran?"

-they could try, though her fat ass would snap any rope they got.

Posted by: Broadhead6 || 11/13/2006 21:48 Comments || Top||

#37  Okay, I''ll bite, thought BUDDHISTS as a class were the only ones NOT targeted for boom-booms by Radical Islam. JEWS, CHRISTIANS, PAGANS = NATURALISTS, + HINDUS, watch your sixes, you betcha. Iff IRAQ SHIA-SUNNI factionalism is any measure, can prob add SUNNIS = NON SHIA MUSLIMS to the above.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 23:13 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Democratic lawmakers will seek a phased withdrawal from Iraq
Posted by: ed || 11/13/2006 14:40 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under:

#1  4 to 6 months? Heck, that's practically turning tail and running for the hills, which pretty much tells me that Dhimmicrats have no idea of what the hell theyr're talking about. This is not a plan - it's just surrender.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 11/13/2006 15:02 Comments || Top||

#2  I hope this leads to phased withdrawal of Democrats from Congress.
Posted by: RWV || 11/13/2006 15:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Mark Steyn wrote this recently:
we're in a very dark place right now. It has been a long time since America unambiguously won a war, and to choose to lose Iraq would be an act of such parochial self-indulgence that the American moment would not endure, and would not deserve to. Europe is becoming semi-Muslim, Third World basket-case states are going nuclear, and, for all that 40 percent of planetary military spending, America can't muster the will to take on pipsqueak enemies. We think we can just call off the game early, and go back home and watch TV.
It doesn't work like that. Whatever it started out as, Iraq is a test of American seriousness.

The US hasn't been serious about winning for quite a while.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/13/2006 16:11 Comments || Top||

#4  And, if the Commander-In-Chief does otherwise, they will do what?
Posted by: Darrell || 11/13/2006 16:52 Comments || Top||

#5  Let's look at history.
1.US pulls out of Lebenon after Marine Barracks bombing in early 80's.

2. Civil war ended tens years later after Syria controlled the country.

Things sure got better after we left!
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/13/2006 17:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Is victory an option?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 18:18 Comments || Top||

#7  Is victory an option?

Victory is the last thing the left wants.
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 18:20 Comments || Top||

#8  Don't really matter to me. I don't live near a major metro area. But if I were one of you city dwelling fools I'd be worried.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 18:28 Comments || Top||

#9  We should all be worried. Some in the Dem party wanted another Viet-nam. If this goes forward they will get it and the last five years of many of our lives will have been for nothing.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 11/13/2006 19:05 Comments || Top||


Pelosi backs Murtha as majority leader
Endorsement adds to power struggle, as other Dems support Hoyer’s bid

Rep. Nancy Pelosi, in line to become speaker of the House, stepped into a postelection power struggle among fellow Democrats on Sunday with a letter of support for Rep. Jack Murtha in the race to pick a majority leader. “Your presence in the leadership of our party would add a knowledgeable and respected voice to our Democratic team,” Pelosi, D-Calif., wrote Murtha. The Pennsylvania lawmaker is widely viewed as an underdog in a two-man race with Maryland Rep. Steny Hoyer in this week’s leadership elections.

Murtha issued a statement saying, “I am deeply gratified to receive the support of Speaker Pelosi, a tireless advocate for change and a true leader for our party and our country.”

Hoyer has been second-ranking in the Democratic leadership behind Pelosi the past four years. He issued a statement saying he was confident he would win the race. “Nancy told me some time ago that she would personally support Jack. I respect her decision as the two are very close,” Hoyer’s statement said.

Pelosi and Hoyer have long been rivals within the party caucus, while she and Murtha are allies of long standing.
Rest at link.
Posted by: ed || 11/13/2006 00:30 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [341 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting. Ploy to placate the nuttier base elements - while the fix is in for Hoyer to win on party votes?

If Murtha does gain the job, the Dhimmi position will be a match to its rhetoric, a political rarity... and solid proof that the military disaster we've been anticipating is on the way.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 3:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Just shows what a sicking c*&t Pelosi is.

Just a reminder, when you negotiate with evil, evil alway wins.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 11/13/2006 3:50 Comments || Top||

#3  This reminds me of the time I was walking down my street and those two dogs were stuck together....
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 6:24 Comments || Top||

#4  "Let's put FIVE bullets in the revolver!"
Posted by: mojo || 11/13/2006 10:32 Comments || Top||

#5  "I salute your courageous leadership that changed the national debate and helped make Iraq the central issue of this historic election. It was surely a dark day for the Bush Administration when you spoke truth to power," she wrote. "Your strong voice for national security, the war on terror and Iraq provides genuine leadership for our party, and I count on you to lead on these vital issues."

Murtha responded, "I am deeply gratified to receive the support of Speaker Pelosi, a tireless advocate for change and a true leader for our Party and our country."


The country asked for it and now we've got it. Unbelievable. Okinawa, get ready.

I hold Rove responsible. Clearly, Bush believed the Republicans would hold Congress, and he was blindsided. Changes could have been made to forestall this travesty.
Posted by: KBK || 11/13/2006 10:40 Comments || Top||

#6  Well at least Kitten With A Whip tries to be loyal.
And she does owe the scumbag.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/13/2006 12:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Aside from this disgusting love fest, Murtha and Pelosi have their political differences. But they have something in common: they must have the lowest IQs in the House. They are literally too dumb to know what they don't know. Remember Polosi's remarks on the SCOTUS Kelo decision:

Q: Later this morning, many Members of the House Republican leadership, along with John Cornyn from the Senate, are holding a news conference on eminent domain, the decision of the Supreme Court the other day, and they are going to offer legislation that would restrict it, prohibiting federal funds from being used in such a manner.

Two questions: What was your reaction to the Supreme Court decision on this topic, and what do you think about legislation to, in the minds of opponents at least, remedy or changing it?

Ms. Pelosi: As a Member of Congress, and actually all of us and anyone who holds a public office in our country, we take an oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Very central to that in that Constitution is the separation of powers. I believe that whatever you think about a particular decision of the Supreme Court, and I certainly have been in disagreement with them on many occasions, it is not appropriate for the Congress to say we're going to withhold funds for the Court because we don't like a decision.

Q: Not on the Court, withhold funds from the eminent domain purchases that wouldn't involve public use. I apologize if I framed the question poorly. It wouldn't be withholding federal funds from the Court, but withhold Federal funds from eminent domain type purchases that are not just involved in public good.

Ms. Pelosi: Again, without focusing on the actual decision, just to say that when you withhold funds from enforcing a decision of the Supreme Court you are, in fact, nullifying a decision of the Supreme Court. This is in violation of the respect for separation of church -- powers in our Constitution, church and state as well. Sometimes the Republicans have a problem with that as well. But forgive my digression.

So the answer to your question is, I would oppose any legislation that says we would withhold funds for the enforcement of any decision of the Supreme Court no matter how opposed I am to that decision. And I'm not saying that I'm opposed to this decision, I'm just saying in general.

Q: Could you talk about this decision? What you think of it?

Ms. Pelosi: It is a decision of the Supreme Court. If Congress wants to change it, it will require legislation of a level of a constitutional amendment. So this is almost as if God has spoken. It's an elementary discussion now. They have made the decision.

Q: Do you think it is appropriate for municipalities to be able to use eminent domain to take land for economic development?

Ms. Pelosi: The Supreme Court has decided, knowing the particulars of this case, that that was appropriate, and so I would support that.
Posted by: KBK || 11/13/2006 14:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Democrats push for Iraq withdrawal
DEMOCRATS, who won control of the US Congress, said today they would push to begin withdrawing American troops from Iraq in the next few months. "First order of business is to change the direction of Iraq policy," said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat expected to be chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the new Congress that convenes in January. The Iraqi government must be told that US presence was "not open-ended and that, as a matter of fact, we need to begin a cut-and-run phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months", Senator Levin said on ABC's This Week.

President George W. Bush has insisted that US troops would not leave until Iraqis could take over security for their country, and has repeatedly rejected setting a timetable for withdrawal, saying that would only embolden the insurgents. However, the White House said Mr Bush was open to new ideas and the President would tomorrow meet the bipartisan Iraq Study Group expected to recommend alternative policies in its final report.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [282 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Democratspeak: New Direction == Retreat
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Bush is the CINC, DhimmiDonks and the Iraq Study Group notwithstanding. I'd say he has precisely zero reason, now, to placate them. Last 2 years of his last term with an opposition-held Congress which can't afford to be seen shorting the troops and a public which demands good news or else, but soundly against cut 'n run. Must be a wild time for the historians... So many books and lecture circuit tour dates in the offing. Interesting and deadly times.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 3:42 Comments || Top||

#3  WND.com > Joseph Farah article CONSERVATIVISM'S DEATH THROES > America is sliding towards SOCIALISM + IMMORALITY [Amorality? Un-Morality?]. Agree in part, disagree in part. Farah fails to recognize that the Lefties are more than willing to resort to wilfully confusing, across-the-board multi-level, vertical = horizontal = oblique, dialecticism + hypocrisies to get its way. 2006 Elex > the Dems have all but formally acknowledged their [ULTRA]CONSERVATIVE, TRUE FUTURE AGENDA - MODERATE/CENTRIST FOR NOW, ULTRA = TOTALITARIAN AS TIME GOES ON. Right now, ALTERNATISM > feel-good, wavy gravy, PC Leftspeak for LIMITED GOVERNMENTISM-WELFARIST ABSOLUTISM. In reality, ALTERNATISM is dead and gone forever, and thats politely presuming that the Left actually believed in its own Altern agenda to begin with. For a while yet, the [potemkinist]Waffle = Egg = Toast Bread luvin' Left will deliber refrain from using the labels SOCIALISM, CONSERVATIVISM, GOVERNMENTISM + ABSOLUTISM + AMERIKAN RED ARMY = PEOPLE'S ARMY when in front of the MSM.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 4:24 Comments || Top||

#4  I heard on the radio this morning a Dem saying we must redeploy (and I swear he said) after the sectarian violence is controlled.

So mebbe the Donks will adopt the Trunk position, but call it something else?
Posted by: Bobby || 11/13/2006 6:28 Comments || Top||

#5  Carl Levin has a history of being a tool of the Pal voters in the Detroit area.

CAIR loves him.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 8:04 Comments || Top||

#6  Ah, yes, a useful Jew fool.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:28 Comments || Top||

#7  ...I had the thoroughly unpleasant experience of dealing with SEN Levin about 22 years ago while I was stationed at Wurtsmith AFB, MI. He not only treated my troops and as if we were something to scrape off our shoes, he spoke to our wing commander with utter, absolute, and undisguised contempt. Yet he had the balls to be surprised and angry when DOD decided not to base the B-1 at Wurtsmith, primarily because of his attitude towards the military.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 11/13/2006 9:23 Comments || Top||

#8  So mebbe the Donks will adopt the Trunk position, but call it something else?

Mebbe. The democrats can read polls as good as anyone. The voters may have 'thrown the bums out', but they have doubts about the 'new' bums. Gonna be interesting in 2007.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 10:32 Comments || Top||

#9  If I remember correctly the US and the other coalition members , as per a couple of UN resolutions,are responsible for Iraq's security until such time as they can do the job themselves. So, are the Democrats gonna buck the UN resolutions?
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 11/13/2006 12:31 Comments || Top||

#10  So, are the Democrats gonna buck the UN resolutions?

Should be interesting to see how they waffle, doublespeak, ignore, flip flop, retreat from finesse, interpret and restate what was really meant by these UN resolutions.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 12:40 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
MMA votes to open muttawa dept?
PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Lawmakers from an Islamic coalition ruling Pakistan's deeply conservative northwest on Monday approved a law to set up a Taliban-style department to suppress everything vice. The law establishes a unit led by an Islamic cleric to promote virtue and eliminate vice, with a separate police force to implement its orders. According to the legislation, the department would help fight government corruption, eliminate child labor and ensure rights for women and religious minorities.

The province's governor must sign the law, and it was not immediately clear when the legal procedure would be completed. The assembly passed the same bill last year despite the opposition of the central government. But the provincial governor had refused to sign it into law, objecting that it aimed to set up a parallel police system. The Supreme Court subsequently proposed amendments, and on Monday provincial Law Minister Malik Zafar Azam reintroduced the amended bill for debate.

Sixty-six members from the Mutahida Majlis-e-Amal or United Action Forum coalition ruling the North West Frontier Province voted for the Hisbah, or Accountability Law, while about 30 opposition members abstained. "Dictatorship by clerics is not acceptable," chanted female opposition lawmaker Begum Nighat Yasmin Aurakzai, denouncing the measure. Provincial Chief Minister Akram Khan Durrani hailed the new law. "We had promised an Islamic system to the nation and approval of the Hisbah Bill is an important step in that direction," Durrani said in the assembly after the bill was passed. Lawmakers from his ruling alliance chanted, "God is great."

The proposed accountability department recalls the feared Vice and Virtue police of Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, which barred women and girls from school and work, and banned nearly all forms of entertainment under its strict interpretation of Islamic laws. The Taliban police would beat women if they ventured out of their homes uncovered and publicly punished men for not offering prayers or growing beards. The cleric leading the proposed department in Pakistan would be supervised by a six-member council comprising two other clerics, two lawyers and two government officials.

The hard-line Islamic coalition that rules the province gained power in parliamentary elections in 2002 mainly on a platform of opposition to the U.S.-led war that toppled the Taliban. While life in the conservative province hasn't changed markedly under the coalition's rule, its government has taken some measures toward implementing Islamic law. It has banned music on public buses, prohibited male doctors from treating female patients, and restricted men from watching or coaching female athletes — acts it deems against Islam.

An opposition lawmaker rejected the new law, saying it promoted the draconian stance of the Taliban regime. "This bill will encourage steps for the Talibanization of the province," said Mushtaq Ahmed Ghani, a lawmaker from the Pakistan Muslim League-Q party.
You don't say.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/13/2006 13:55 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [320 views] Top|| File under:


‘Situation in Frontier is grave’
ISLAMABAD — A senior Pakistan army officer, quoted in the US media, has described the present situation in the Frontier Province as a ‘disaster’. “This is a disaster. We all recognise the gravity of the situation. It's a nightmare to have an army being attacked on its own soil and by its own people."
And just who might those people be? Lutherans? Pentecostalists? Esquimaux?
After the two incidents, he added, "the doors to peaceful negotiated settlements are closed. I am afraid we are on a war course in the tribal areas."
That would require the army and ISI to turn on its own, so I don't think that's going to happen.
Analysts say the episode has caught the government on the wrong foot and wonder why it immediately assumed responsibility for the attack on Bajaur religious school. The domestic and foreign media have reported that public condemnation of the Bajaur missile attack has been almost universal in Pakistan.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Invite the US in to help more often.
Posted by: gorb || 11/13/2006 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  PakiWakiLand, alone, could explain why Byzantine hasn't become archaic.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 3:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Situation "grave"? Therefore admit that jihadis are secessionists, and wage total war on them.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/13/2006 5:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Works for me, Sneazer.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Therefore admit that jihadis are secessionists, and wage total war on them.

Funny how soft is suddenly the Pakistani army. What a differnce with how they deal with Balochs and how they dealt with Bangladesh. Wonder why they dodn't use the same methods with the Taliban.

Posted by: JFM || 11/13/2006 9:12 Comments || Top||

#6  Again, I see this as part of the ebb and flow of Perv strengthening his position. He might have bitten off more than he could politically chew with North Wazoo, so he had to back off. But maybe now he can move against them with more effect.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Pakistan is just one assassination away from going all-tribal, all the time. I don't know if that's a bug or a feature.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/13/2006 14:25 Comments || Top||

#8  Just make that it's US troops that get their hands on Paki's nukes and Perv and company can go straight to the Great Kaliphate in the Sky for all I care.

Posted by: Unaviling Claving9072 || 11/13/2006 17:31 Comments || Top||

#9  it's only because the ISI is infiltrated by india
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/13/2006 18:29 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
UN tries to heal religious divide
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan is due to be presented with a plan of action to ease increasing polarisation of Muslim and Western societies. The report is by a group of prominent international figures, including Anglican Archbishop Desmond Tutu and ex-Iranian president Mohammad Khatami. They have been brought together under the United Nations initiative, the Alliance of Civilisations.

The report will be presented at a ceremony in Istanbul. It is the product of 20 minds: prominent international figures from a variety of religions.

They have been meeting over the past year to examine the root causes of the increasing divide between the Muslim world and the West.
We could have told them and it wouldn't even require a trip to Istanbul.
Their mandate was to propose a concrete plan of action to bridge the gap and overcome mutual feelings of fear and suspicion.

The high-level group questions the theory that a clash of civilisations is inevitable; its report is expected to say that the chief causes of tension are not cultural or religious, but political.
And politics, as we all know, has nothing to do with culture or religion. Especially Islam.
Members of the working group say the situation in the Middle East and the conflict in Iraq are key to an increasing sense of frustration in the Muslim world.

Among proposals to help promote respect and understanding are youth education programmes and a focus on cultural ties. But this group is expected to make it quite clear that such schemes will have limited impact unless the political causes of tension are addressed.
I confess: Khatami is good. He's pulling the wool over their eyes (granted, they want to be blinded) and doing the hand-waving trick to confuse us kufirs about the real intent of radical Islam.
Posted by: tipper || 11/13/2006 03:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [280 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Good grief - it's not Scrappleface.

Info on the UN Alliance of Civilizations thingy. This is an "initiative" sponsored by Spain & Turkey. Note, on the left of this page, who is organizing this latest UN Wank-O-Matic. Note who will be running the thing as Dep Dir of its "Secretariat"...

Yet another expensive farce which will dominated by the Gang of the GA (the artistes formerly known as the Gang of 77) and designed to be an anti-US, anti-Israel, anti-Common Sense, and Full Asshat Employment boondoggle.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:02 Comments || Top||

#2  I fail to see the divide.

One side wants to advance civilization, make a few bucks, raise kids, have a nice life, while the other side wants to strap on bomb belts and kill the first side.

To wit: The first side wishes fervently that as long as the second side insists on driving T-55s, flying Migs, toting AKs and bomb belts, they can go stop a bullet, courtesy of our armed forces.

And it can still happen, except our armed forces will be retreated from the battlefield moving in a new direction when that happens, so...

Where's the divide? Someone help me out here.
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 4:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Doesn't there need to be two civilisations?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 11/13/2006 5:32 Comments || Top||

#4  GAG!
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 6:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Kofi's going to "head the divide" by setting up an international "religious vilification tribunal" that will ensure no one insults Mohammed (batshit in his head).
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 11/13/2006 7:33 Comments || Top||

#6  At least this is a small step in the right direction.
The UN realizes there is a probem.
Now if we can get them to define the 'problem' in specific terms, we may have a useful result of this cluster.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:07 Comments || Top||

#7  Anyone want to bet the 'problem' is western resistance to Dhimminitude, insulting Mo-ham-head, and objecting to the killing jews and christians?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 11/13/2006 8:18 Comments || Top||

#8  I predict either the Soddies are behind this or are/will be funding it. Kofi no doubt will be working for them (openly) after he leaves the UN.
Posted by: Spot || 11/13/2006 8:24 Comments || Top||

#9  "Mo-ham-head", lol. Mint sauce be upon him.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:38 Comments || Top||

#10  And note to the UN: I do not want to "bridge the gap" I want to "nuke the phuckers" back into "the stone age".
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:39 Comments || Top||

#11  48 days. No more Kofi.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/13/2006 10:40 Comments || Top||

#12  48 days. No more Kofi.

I hope you are right. I suspect he will be like that killer in the horror flicks - no matter how many times you kill him, he just keeps coming back.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 10:44 Comments || Top||

#13  Of the twenty "high-level" members of the program, there wasn't an RC clergyman among them. Good. And the AoC has a prominent link to Islamicamagazine's archived copy of the "Open Letter" to Benedict XVI concerning his Regensburg Address - so they've agreed fight a common enemy.

Prominent interantional socialists seeking an accomodation with radical Islam in order to destroy Western Civlization. They get along like Ribbentrop and Molotov.
Posted by: mrp || 11/13/2006 11:55 Comments || Top||

#14  And thanks for the links, .com
Posted by: mrp || 11/13/2006 12:26 Comments || Top||

#15  Another UN funded featherbed of anti-American Muslim apologist wankers. Nothing new.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 14:35 Comments || Top||

#16  Kick the UN out of NY NOW!

We can stay in just make it leave the US. Claim it is a SECURITY DANGER to the US.

Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 17:56 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Tater Alert: Influence rises but base frays for Iraqi potentater
Few have ever described Moktada al-Sadr, the mercurial leader of Iraq’s mightiest Shiite militia, as a statesman.

Yet there he was last month sitting on a pristine couch with the prime minister (no longer cross-legged on the floor), making public calls as well as sending private text messages to aides discouraging sectarianism, and paying visits to the home of Iraq’s most senior Shiite cleric.

For years an angry outsider, Mr. Sadr, 33, has moved deep into the inner sanctum of the Iraqi government largely because his followers make up the biggest and most volatile Shiite militia. Now, after more than a year in power, he and his top lieutenants are firmly part of the establishment, a position that has brought new comfort and wealth. That change has shifted the threat for the American military, which no longer faces mass uprisings by Mr. Sadr’s fighters when it enters their turf.
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Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 11/13/2006 11:46 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [306 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ... when his followers fought tanks in flip-flops, ...

Whereas I see this as a sign of dumb-as-a-rock fanaticism, I have no doubt the NYT meant this a sign of how brave and fearless the Lions of the Madhi™ are and how pointless it is for us to take them on. Like how the Japanese and VC were made into bogeymen out of proportion to their actual threat.
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/13/2006 15:09 Comments || Top||


Blair, Bush discuss strategy on Iraq
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [281 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, let us discuss how we're gonna retreat, shall we?
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Yep. Certainly looks like Gawdzilla RealPolitik will rear its butt-ugly head once again... and rampage through Tokyo Baghdad (and its environs) smashing bldgs and cars any hope that Iraq will end up as anything other than partitioned along sectarian lines - which means one helluvalot of "cleansing" and "migration" will be on the Iraqi agenda for the next few years.

Funny thing is, it looked like partitioning, at least regards Kurdistan, made perfect sense 3+ years ago, IMO. Still makes sense, regardless of what the Arabs do to each other, I believe.

Verlaine?
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:14 Comments || Top||

#3  "Retreat?"

"Smashing idea!"

"Retreat it is!"

"LOL"

"LOL"
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:41 Comments || Top||


Iraqi PM urges leaders to work for unified Iraq
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki lashed out at lawmakers in a closed-door session of parliament Sunday, ordering them to stop criticizing his government and instead declare their loyalty to a unified Iraq - not their religious sects or political parties, two members of parliament told The Associated Press.

Al-Maliki, who also said a government reshuffle was in the works, was responding to questions by lawmakers during the more-than one-hour closed session. In a statement afterward, al-Maliki's office said he used the meeting to outline the political and security situation in the country and plans for bring stability to the country. It said al-Maliki "called for a comprehensive Cabinet shake up suitable with the current period."
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [298 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You forgot to set the example to be followed, there, Mr Malikme. You 'n the entire Shia Block...
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:16 Comments || Top||

#2  Too late, now, jackass.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2006 8:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Hamas and Fatah on a grander scale.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 10:35 Comments || Top||

#4  I wish them luck. One thing that makes me hopeful in this situation is that they know that when we leave the bloodshed will be terrible. The good news is that they are already tired of fighting - just like we are. Maybe that will help them come together. The Sunnis have much - the most - to lose in this battle. I'm thinking they may just want to stand down a bit without the US there to protect them. Likewise, tater tot knows that the Sunnis have one of the world's best recipes for Cold Revenge.

We can always hope.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 10:42 Comments || Top||

#5  "They are tired of fighting"? Are you kidding?
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 11/13/2006 14:28 Comments || Top||

#6  I think the Slammers would rather fight than ph**ck.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2006 15:19 Comments || Top||


Blair to push US to talk to Syria, Iran
British Prime Minister Tony Blair is to push the US administration next week to begin talks with Syria and Iran as a way of breaking the deadlock in Iraq and the Middle East, The Guardian said Saturday. Blair will give evidence via videolink next week to the bipartisan committee headed by the former US secretary of state James Baker, which is seen as the means through which President George W Bush could change course on Iraq.

The newspaper, citing unnamed British officials, said Blair will not call for the withdrawal of coalition troops, but is persuaded that Bush is open to a change of strategy in Iraq, which is gripped by spiralling violence. The same sources forecast that the Baker panel will call for an acceleration of the “Iraq-isation” of the police and army as well as advocate greater political co-operation within Iraq.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [278 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The price for these few thousand Tommies in Afganistan & Iraq keep going up.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 6:31 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, I supporting talking to them. Well, questioning them, anyway.

"Do you surrender?"
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:47 Comments || Top||

#3  its just the gridiron quoting "unnamed sources close to the seat of power" wank, wank.
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/13/2006 18:34 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigades and Others Declare War on America

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

Four Palestinian Authority terrorist groups, including that of PA President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah organization, called on Muslims worldwide to attack America "with no mercy."

In a joint statement issued on Sunday, the four groups announced that the United States will be a target for them to the same extent Israel is. They warned that they will attack American targets because of "American support for Israeli crimes and acts of massacre, such as the one in Beit Hanoun."

In the joint communique, the terrorists call on "all free people of the world, and all the mujahadeen [jihadists] to hit the US with no mercy." They added that "Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan are all being destroyed by American weapons; they who plant the bombs and destruction in the region should reap the results of what they planted with their soldiers and warplanes."

The statement more specifically called on the Arab states to support the terrorist groups financially and materially, to "enhance the resistance against the Israeli and American enemy."

The communique was released in reaction to the US veto on Saturday of a United Nations Security Council resolution that would have condemned Israel's counter-terrorism offensive in the Gaza region, which apparently led to the deaths of at least 18 Arab civilians. The resolution also would have established a UN fact-finding team, as well as creating "an international mechanism" tasked with "protection of the civilian populations." In their joint statement, the terrorist groups called the UNSC a "false council... to protect Israel and its security, to the detriment of Palestinian blood."

In addition to the Fatah's Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, the call to attack the U.S. was issued by the Popular Resistance Committee's Salah A-Din (Saladin) Brigades, the ad-hoc Abu Rish Brigades and the Tawheed Brigades. The last-mentioned group may be affiliated with the international terrorist organization Al-Qaeda.

The four terrorist factions declared: "America, of the false civilization, ignores yet again the blood of innocent people. They have no guilt, yet the Americans look at it [Palestinian blood] as cheaper than Jewish blood. Beit Hanoun was a massacre committed by Israeli hands, using American weapons under US official supervision, with a green light from the US, completed by the Americans' use of the veto in the Security Council."
"Oh, also, where's the jizya? We're waiting."
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/13/2006 10:50 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [398 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So how does this alter the situation from yesterday?
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#2  There is no sane reason for Israel to keep the status quo. They must create and maintain a policy by which for every act of violence, something permanent is lost by the Paleos. Again, I suggest land.

But this bellicose nonsense must end.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 11/13/2006 12:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Go ahead, you nitwits. Make my day.

ONE act, boys. Just one, and you're in a WORLD of HURT!
Posted by: mojo || 11/13/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Cut off their electricity. Let the hard boyz work up a sweat on the bicycle-driven generator if they wish to broadcast any more of this drivel.
Posted by: RWV || 11/13/2006 15:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Cut off the water too....
Or put acid in it and see if it makes them any stranger.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 17:51 Comments || Top||

#6  For the umpteenth time; Take them at their word. Accept this as a declaration of war. Go in and bomb the shit out of their infrastructure and cut off all funding, permanently. Tell Abbas that if he want to kkep breathing for another ten minutes then he'd better rein in Fatah's military wing or watch his entire administration get blown to smithereens.

How many of these 18 recent deaths were the result of those stupid fucks storing explosives in their residential home? This shit has got to end. We have to make it painful for them to keep spewing this violent crap.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 18:22 Comments || Top||

#7  Probly too much to hope that USA will (finally) stop pulling Israel's leash.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 21:53 Comments || Top||

#8  Say it t'aint so - ROSIE > THEY'RE JUST MOMS AND DADS like you and me. America is just as safe/secure as iff we were fighting Adolf's, Stalin's, + Mao's boyz, or the NVA-Vietcong, whom were Mom's + Dads also. Clintonian America = Amerika can't have a draft to win a war unless we don't hurt anyone, destroy anything, invade any country, hurt anyone's feelings, or pollute the enviro ALL ELSE > AAAAATTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAA
CCCCCKKKK...* ALICE'S RESTAURANT > KILL, KILL, KILL [no one + nuthin]. "I told them I was arrested for littering, then they [Army/draft recruits]all moved away from me - MotherRapers, and FatherStabbers, DogKickers that they were". LYRIC - "You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant". Amerika, can, however, try to arrest the Milyuuhn Earth-sized SUN for refusing to surender to tiny single Earth-sized Earth.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 23:33 Comments || Top||


Israeli Gen. Hirsch resigns, singled out for war failures
Galilee Division Commander Brigadier General Gal Hirsch promised to launch "the battle of his life" and defend his name and status. On Sunday morning, however, after the findings of the inquiry into the kidnapping of IDF soldiers on the northern border were published, Hirsch informed IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz that he has decided to leave the Israel Defense Forces.

The dramatic announcement was made at the start of a special General Staff meeting regarding the inquiry into the soldiers' abduction. Hirsch was considered one of the most esteemed officers among the IDF's top brass. His resignation brought a long career to an end.

Halutz asked Hirsch not to resign, but the commander refused. In a resignation letter submitted to Halutz, Hirsch noted that from the beginning of the war he received no backing and was constantly defamed. "This is not the way to treat a commander," he wrote, adding that the IDF and the State of Israel were the essence of his life and that he had been part of the military establishment since he was 14 years old.

Hirsch asked that the appointments of other division commanders are not harmed, and said that he made the decision to resign as the recent period was very difficult both to him and his family - however, he added, he is proud to have had the right to defend the country.

"I am responsible for what takes place in my region and under my command. I have no need to 'take responsibility,' I have never given it to anyone," the commander wrote, claiming that the 91st division was well prepared for war.

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Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 07:42 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [309 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The whole thing is an embarrassment.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 8:58 Comments || Top||

#2  The defense minister seems determined to sabotage the top of the IDF.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 11/13/2006 10:11 Comments || Top||

#3  I never expected the Israeli government to hold up so long. Maybe they will purge the IDF like Uncle Joe did the Red Army.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2006 10:53 Comments || Top||

#4  General Hirsch is forging his 'metal' in the fires of reality on the field, and they want to cut him off at the knees?! Thats like ruining Ariel Sharon's future back in 1963! This man should be promoted and given Halutz's position; he was failed from the top!! In part they want to blame him for evacuating from Bint Jbail in the 'daytime' allowing Hizbullah to monitor their movements; (I say, where were the satellite and drone monitorings to allow this, plus a nighttime retreat can be risky if the unit is well 'entrenched' waiting for a suicide attempt on the passby! Give General Hirsch another Star or Leaf, lick your wounds and get it right next time (ala Iran)!
Posted by: smn || 11/13/2006 14:32 Comments || Top||


Arabs 'to break Hamas aid freeze'
Arab foreign ministers considering a response to Israel's Gaza offensive say they have decided to break a freeze on aid to the Palestinian government.

The ministers met hours after the US vetoed a UN Security Council resolution condemning Israeli actions in Gaza. Arab League chief Amr Moussa said the veto was incomprehensible.
He would, wouldn't he? Mean ole' Zionists beating up on the baby ducks and fluffy bunnies in Gaza, what's not to understand?
The Arab ministers, meeting in Cairo, said they would somehow get funds to the Palestinians despite a Western-led ban imposed when Hamas was elected.

The foreign minister of Qatar said the Arabs were determined to find a way to get aid to the Palestinians. It is not yet clear how that will happen, given that banks have been reluctant to make transfers to the Palestinian Authority for fear of sanctions by the US.
Which now might be in question after the election, unless Dubya and Condi re-grow their spines.
The Palestinian foreign minister, Mahmoud Zahar, acknowledged that it would take time for the funds to flow, but he said the decision would facilitate the formation of a national unity government with Fatah.

Regardless of how it will be implemented, the Arab decision is above all a message to the Americans. There is anger in the region at the way the US used its veto to pre-empt a Security Council resolution condemning Israel's offensive in Gaza this week, in which 18 civilians were killed.
Zionists, bunny blood, etc.
Egypt and other Arab states have been pressing the Palestinians to form a national unity government as a way of diluting the influence of Hamas, which refuses to recognise Israel. They consider that the US veto makes their job harder and reduces the chance of any resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
Posted by: tipper || 11/13/2006 00:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [287 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Regardless of how it will be implemented, the Arab decision is above all a message to the Americans. There is anger in the region at the way the US used its veto to pre-empt a Security Council resolution condemning Israel's offensive in Gaza this week, in which 18 civilians were killed.

Yoo hoo ... Weren't those the 18 "civilians" who bought it because they were in a house where massive amounts of explosives were stored?

Or were these the 18 killed while they raced to provide human shields for terrorists who were attempting to escape a mosque where they had holed up?

Either way, my heart pumps piss.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 1:09 Comments || Top||

#2  It's the Arab's tar-baby, let them maintain it. The "Arab Street" is irrelevant, classic Beeb strawman BS, as they will always hate us (hell, everyone not paying jizya) regardless. The phoney Arab allies' (lol) criticism was ignored - thanks Bush - and that's a sound policy to continue... for two more years, anyway. Nothing would be (has been) gained by attempting the usual State Dept accommodation and appeasement - and much $$$ would be wasted in the farce.
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Arabs'
Posted by: .com || 11/13/2006 4:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Arabs are going to finance PA?
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 6:24 Comments || Top||

#5  The arabs might get them a meager one-time payment, but I doubt that they are going to put them on the gravy train. Better them than us anyway. We can put that aid money to better use, like for people who want peace and progress and a better life. The palestinians make their living by being victims, take that away and they are just jobless assholes like everyone else in the region.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 6:30 Comments || Top||

#6  If Egypt is giving aid, then obviously they don't need all the aid we send them. Let's cut it 2-for-1.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Let 'em use their Big Mo Widows-n-Orphans Fund for, y'know, actual widows and orphans.
Posted by: Seafarious || 11/13/2006 11:19 Comments || Top||

#8  This is part of the same 'deal' (or more accurately deal in process that will probably not be completed) that will require the PA to sit in on a conference (or seminar or meeting or symposium or someting) between reps from the Arab League and Israel.

The Arab states had been sending funds to the PA previously and they will continue doing so in the future. The amount of funds and who the check is made out to is dependent on a lot of things. The Saudis have certain favorite guys in the PA; the Egyptians do too (not the same). The Jordanians won't send more than token amounts partly because they don't have much money and partly because they don't trust very many people in the PA. It goes on and on.

Posted by: mhw || 11/13/2006 12:40 Comments || Top||

#9  Knock yourselves out, boys. We can shut down your banks too.
Posted by: mojo || 11/13/2006 16:19 Comments || Top||

#10  Tapeworm alert

Angry
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/13/2006 18:47 Comments || Top||


Olmert lands in US for meeting with Bush
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert landed in the United States early Sunday afternoon for his meeting with US President George W. Bush. White House and Israeli officials characterized the meeting as a "work session," Israel Radio reported.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [420 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I thought Bush asked him to stay away until things were worked out?

BTW... with %87 of US Jews voting democratic what leverage does he have with Bush other than begging?
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 0:23 Comments || Top||

#2  He's going to show him how to retreat and lose.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Or how to be exposed as a loser and stay on as a leader.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:22 Comments || Top||

#4  I don't think it was ever about the Jewish vote, 3dc. This is one area where President Bush has acted on his convictions (except where that might interfere with his priorities in the War on Terror)
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 14:34 Comments || Top||

#5  "Mr Prime Minister, welcome to America. So sorry about your country."

"Thank you, Mr President - what?"

"Ah, yes. You prob'ly haven't heard yet. We've, actually, the Democrats, have decided to send our foreign aid scheduled for Israel to the Palestinians instead in a show of, ah, solidarity with them and the UN."

"Can I use your phone?"

"Sure, why?"

"I need to call home..."

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 11/13/2006 17:42 Comments || Top||

#6  FOTSGreg, US aid is 5% of Israel's annual budget.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 21:59 Comments || Top||


Villepin expresses support for Israel's security
French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin who is a man offered unwavering French support Sunday for Israel amid security threats, but criticized Israeli military flights over Lebanese territory. France "stands resolutely at the side of Israel" in the midst of new flare-ups in Mideast violence, and Israeli security will require an end to conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, Villepin said.

"The halt to all violence is indispensable," he told a meeting of the World Jewish Congress's governing board, meeting for the first time in Paris. Villepin criticized continued Israeli overflights of Lebanon following the 34-day war this summer between Israel and Hizbullah fighters, calling them a "violation of the sovereignty of Lebanon."

French officials have regularly complained that the overflights violate a UN cease-fire resolution that paved the way for an end to the fighting.
Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  DEBKA.com [paraphrased]> "Big nations won't or are afraid to take action, so small nations need to push them".
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 1:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes Villepin has a stellar history granting support one can trust.

Just ask Colin Powell.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 7:59 Comments || Top||

#3  He needs a place where he can go when Phrance phalls into chaos.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:24 Comments || Top||

#4  This is a fine looking quiff.

Nice hair too.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Perhaps the sash colour would clash less were he to stop using so much sunless tanning lotion. But then, so many people forget how important it is to blend the edges of one's foundation beyond the jaw line, even if it does leave marks on the inside of the collar, making more work for one's laundress.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 14:38 Comments || Top||

#6  I think it is a good thing he is supposed to be a man. He'd be one reeeallly ugly woman. You could photoshop that face onto any body and red blooded males would call out for their mommies. As I picture him as a woman, I can only see the wicked witch... eeeh.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 14:46 Comments || Top||


Palestinians agree on new PM
FEUDING Palestinian factions have agreed on an independent academic to head a new coalition government aimed at ending a crippling Western aid freeze. The name of Mohammed Shbeir, a nonentity clinical biologist and former head of the Islamic University in Gaza, was agreed after intensive talks last week between moderate president Mahmoud Abbas and Islamist prime minister Ismail Haniya, Abbas aides and officials of Haniya's Hamas party told AFP. "Hamas proposed three names all of which were acceptable to president Abbas and Hamas indicated that their favoured choice was Mohammed Shbeir,'' an Abbas aide said.

The married father-of-six was careful when asked by AFP about his nomination. "So far I have not been formally asked to take on the duties of prime minister but if I am I will be delighted to serve my people,'' he said.

Born in 1946, Mr Shbeir has a doctorate in clinical biology from the University of West Virginia. Perceived as a Hamas sympathiser although never a party member, he served as head of the Islamic University from 1993 until September 2005 when he retired to pursue his research. Mr Shbeir served as a member of the Palestinian central election commission during the January parliamentary elections that saw Hamas upset Mr Abbas's Fatah.
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Posted by: Fred || 11/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [835 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Let the Jazia flow!!!
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 6:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Is he a crazy mofo like thew last one?
Posted by: mojo || 11/13/2006 13:15 Comments || Top||

#3  "aimed at ending a crippling Western aid freeze"

When the highest political aspiration is to whine and beg like a panhandler on 42nd st you have to wonder!
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/13/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#4  "We picked a Prime Minister. Can we have the money now?"
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 21:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Hamas officials have insisted there is no going back on their principles...

I laugh.
Posted by: mrp || 11/13/2006 21:13 Comments || Top||


Terror groups vow to attack US targets
Four Palestinian armed groups on Sunday threatened to attack American targets in response to the US decision to veto a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning last week's tragic incident in Beit Hanun. The threat, the second of its kind in the past few days, was included in a statement issued by the Popular Resistance Committees, Fatah's Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Abu Rish Brigades [another Fatah militia] and a hitherto unknown group calling itself Brigades of Tawhid.

The groups warned the Americans that "by supporting Israel's war crimes and massacres, you have turned yourselves into a legitimate target for all Palestinians and Muslims." They called on Muslims to deal "merciless blows" to the Americans wherever they are found. "The American-Zionist enemy understands only the language of blood and force," the groups said. "This is the only way for us to achieve our rights and demands."

The statement claimed that US Army officers participated in the last IDF military operation in Beit Hanun, which was aimed at halting the firing of Kassam rockets into Israel.

Some Palestinian groups in the Gaza Strip issued a similar threat against the US shortly after the Beit Hanun incident, in which 19 civilians were killed. Palestinian threats to attack US targets have also been made in the past. However, the Palestinians never carried out the threats, with the exception of the kidnapping of a number of US citizens in the West Bank and Gaza Strip - all of whom were eventually released unharmed.
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#1  They won't attack iffin we retreat, right?
Posted by: badanov || 11/13/2006 0:31 Comments || Top||

#2  That's right badanov. We only made more of them when we were kicking their asses. Maybe if we are nice to them now they will be nice to us when they raise the black flag over the White House.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Maybe we could declare "open season" on them in the U.S. with no limits on how many you bag or when.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 12:26 Comments || Top||

#4  they bag themselves
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 12:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Yes, cause they have great respect for a show of weakness.
Posted by: DMFD || 11/13/2006 18:41 Comments || Top||


Warty Nose okays Israel-PA peace talks
Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar accepted an Arab proposal on Sunday for a peace conference to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, Arab diplomats said. Zahar, of the ruling Hamas party, endorsed a statement by Arab foreign ministers calling for the peace conference during a meeting in Cairo, said the diplomats. "The ministers call to convene a peace conference attended by Arab parties, Israel and the permanent members of the UN Security Council in order to reach a just and comprehensive settlement to the Arab-Israeli conflict on all tracks according to international resolutions and the principal of 'land for peace'," the statement said.

But earlier on Sunday, Zahar celebrated Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and reiterated Hamas' refusal to recognize the Jewish state. In an interview to the London-based Asharq al-Awsat, Zahar announced that Palestinians would never give up their right of return.

The endorsement was the first time Hamas, which has refused to recognize Israel and renounce violence against the Jewish state, said it would consider making amends with Israel. Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said he was not aware of such a conference proposal, but Hamas could not be a party to talks with Israel unless it met the international community's stipulations that it recognize Israel, renounce the use of violence and agree to abide by existing Israeli-Palestinian agreements. "A multilateral conference doesn't make Hamas legitimate," Regev said. "What makes Hamas legitimate is accepting the international benchmarks."
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#1  "We called for a peace conference. Can we have the money now?"
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 10:38 Comments || Top||


PM: Barghouti release is not an option
The release of imprisoned Tanzim leader Marwan Barghouti is not an option, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters during his flight to Washington, DC to meet with US President George W. Bush. "I don't intend to go into details about the upcoming contact with the Palestinians," Olmert said just before landing in the US. Olmert also repeated his refusal to specify what Israel's "many options" on the growing Iranian crisis were.

Olmert reiterated the statements he gave Saturday in an interview to Newsweek-Washington Post that Iran would agree to compromise on its nuclear program only if it had a real reason to fear reprisals for failing to comply. Olmert added that he was under no diplomatic pressure to meet with Bush, but thought it appropriate to do so on his way to the 2006 General Assembly in Los Angeles.

Before leaving for Washington on Saturday night, the prime minister reaffirmed his commitment to territorial withdrawal from Judea and Samaria. "You can read my lips: 'I'm ready for territorial compromises‚ and I haven't changed my mind," Olmert said in the Newsweek interview.
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#1  The release of imprisoned Tanzim leader Marwan Barghouti is not an option, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters

Why doesn't this give me the warm-fuzzies?
Posted by: Pappy || 11/13/2006 0:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Because Olmert is about as reliable as a gelatin bikini.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 18:31 Comments || Top||


Livni: War in Lebanon was confrontation with Iran
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said at the General Assembly of the Jewish Federation in Los Angeles that "in the past summer, we experienced a confrontation between Israel and Iran." She added, "Despite the war that took place in Lebanon, it was a country, Iran, and the Hizbullah organization as its proxy, which took advantage of Lebanon's weakness to promote an extremist and hate-filled agenda."
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#1  And... ?
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:50 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Web forums indicate JI split
SOUTHEAST Asia's biggest militant organisation - Jemaah Islamiah - may be seeking to rein in its radical wing. Analysts say Web sites and other forums affiliated with the Jemaah Islamiah network now feature religious tracts that call into question a 1998 decree from Osama bin Laden that Muslims must hit Western targets worldwide in defence of their faith. The new trend, they say, follows a split within the movement into mainstream and pro-bombing factions that dates at least from the first Bali resort blast in 2002 and picked up speed through three subsequent suicide attacks. But opinions are divided about how far-reaching any change may be.

JI's radical wing, led by fugitive Noordin Top, used the so-called bin Laden fatwa to justify the four bombings - two in Bali and two in Jakarta. It also relied on al Qaeda for some initial financing, but how the relationship developed after that is in dispute. A total of 253 people were killed in the blasts and hundreds more were hurt. "It is my view that JI has split and that the evidence for that is mounting," Greg Fealy, of the Australian National University, said.

Now, said Fealy, the network's clerics were trying to isolate the bombers by undercutting support for violent attacks. "The ulama within JI wants to reimpose a classical understanding of Islamic law. The divergence of views on the (bin Laden) fatwa is greater than it was," he said.
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#1  Reminds me of MONTY PYTHON's LIFE OF BRIAN > "Naughty naughty boy(z)".
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 1:37 Comments || Top||


Sri Lanka
UN chief 'disturbed' by civilian deaths in Sri Lanka
UN chief Kofi Annan is “increasingly disturbed” by the mounting civilian casualties in fighting between the Sri Lankan government and its Tamil rebel foes, his spokesman said Friday.
The secretary general is increasingly disturbed by the mounting loss of life.
“The secretary general is increasingly disturbed by the mounting loss of life” in Sri Lanka, spokesman Stephane Dujarric said in a statement. “He deplores the many civilian casualties by the ongoing hostilities” between government forces and the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). Annan stressed the “urgent need to bring an end to the spiral of violence and called on the parties “to make every effort to return to the peace process as soon as possible.”
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#1  Is this his way of saying he needs a bigger bribe?
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 0:25 Comments || Top||

#2  48 days left Kofi.
Posted by: tu3031 || 11/13/2006 0:27 Comments || Top||

#3  It must have disturbed his after lunch nap.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 1:35 Comments || Top||

#4  It must have disturbed his after lunch nap.

So long as his morning nap was left untouched, he'll be able to struggle through the evening's dinner party, so that's ok.
Posted by: trailing wife || 11/13/2006 14:41 Comments || Top||

#5  like he was in Rwanda, Congo, Burundi, Somalia, Afghanistan, Colombia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Uganda and all the other genocidal fuckups he's partly "disturbed over". Muppet puppet
Posted by: pihkalbadger || 11/13/2006 19:02 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Ahmadinejad: Israel’s destruction near
According to the Iranian media Monday, Iranian President Mahoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel was destined to ‘disappearance and destruction’ at a council meeting with Iranian ministers.

“The western powers created the Zionist regime in order to expand their control of the area. This regime massacres Palestinians everyday, but since this regime is against nature, we will soon witness its disappearance and destruction,” Ahmadinejad said. (AFP)
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/13/2006 11:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [449 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He needs to have a much bigger halo. Preferrably composed from alpha, beta and gama particles.
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/13/2006 12:22 Comments || Top||

#2  He better pack a lunch. Maybe dinner and breakfast too.

One can do anything with Photoshop--even halos on shit heads.
Posted by: JohnQC || 11/13/2006 12:49 Comments || Top||

#3  We need to take this asshole seriously. Even if what he is saying is only for public consumption, we need to hold this sick fuck to what he says. One of our biggest mistakes is not making these Islamic wingnuts responsible for the vile propagandist rhetoric that they spew.

I had sincerely hoped that our amassed fleet in the Persian Gulf was going to pound sand up this loon's ass. Now our only hope is Israel. If anyone is going to take this cretin seriously, it's the IDF.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 14:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Zenster: Testify!
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 14:45 Comments || Top||

#5  we need a date certain dude

how about the end of the next hadj

or the fast after that

or the feast after that

or the fast after that

or the next anniversary of someone's birth or death
Posted by: mhw || 11/13/2006 14:47 Comments || Top||

#6  I see he's dropped an 'm'. I've seen it spelt elsewhere as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (which, coincidentally, has 18 letters).
Posted by: Gladys || 11/13/2006 15:18 Comments || Top||

#7  I like the name Ahmah-Nutjob, better.

I think we need that reputed microwave weapon pulsing over Mulla-Mansion, downtown Teheran.

I once saw an ant in a microwave oven. When the oven was turned on, a few seconds later there was a "pop" and no more ant. There was a drop of "residue" where the ant was last seen...

Anyone have some paint scrapers?
Posted by: BigEd || 11/13/2006 16:48 Comments || Top||

#8  good, let's finish this. 8 seconds later 200 nukes will be flying away on a ballistic trajectory to every arab city in the middle east.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 18:19 Comments || Top||

#9  GULF NEWS > ISRAEL + WEST MUST ACCEPT THE RULE OF ISLAM. JEWS will be spared slaughter + destruction iff JERUSALEM + key lands is handed over in the entirety to Muslims.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 23:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Move along boyz - obviously the USA-West is NOT in a WORLD WAR.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 23:18 Comments || Top||


March 14 points finger at Tehran, Damascus
BEIRUT: The March 14 Forces accused Damascus and Tehran on Sunday of planning to topple the legitimate authorities in Lebanon and re-establish Syrian hegemony over the country.

In response to the resignations of the five Shiite ministers from Premier Fouad Siniora's government, the coalition met late Sunday at the Qoreitem home of the parliamentary majority leader, MP Saad Hariri, to form a unified stance. Afterward, Hariri read out a statement in which he accused Syria and Iran of being behind the resignations and plotting to foil the international tribunal to try those accused of killing his father, former Premier Rafik Hariri.

Hizbullah and Amal ministers resigned Saturday after accusing the March 14 Forces of "controlling the decision-making in the Cabinet" - and on the eve of a planned session to pass the final draft of the court.

The ministers who resigned are Labor Minister Trad Hamadeh, Agriculture Minister Talal Sahili, Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh, Health Minister Mohammed Jawad Khalifeh, and Energy and Water Minister Mohammed Fneish.

"This resignation ... was not a coincidence. The March 14 Forces lament this step and see in it an attempt to foil the formation of the international tribunal," Hariri said. "We agreed twice to Speaker Nabih Berri's call for dialogue and consultations to maintain stability ... but it turned out that some parties didn't want this and their hidden intentions became clear to us ... It is a Syrian-Iranian plot to topple legitimate rule in Lebanon, destroy the Paris III donor conference, annul the tribunal and place this country back under the former [Syrian] mandate."

He added that "this plan was done by the Syrian regime and the [pro-Syrian] president [Emile Lahoud] ... who wants to assassinate Rafik Hariri a second time."

"Foiling this tribunal and protecting the criminals [bears the fingerprints] of a well-known murderous regime," he added, "which we will not allow to succeed."

Hizbullah and Amal rejected linking the resignation of their ministers with the idea of an attempt to halt the tribunal. "Our stance on the tribunal is clear," Amal MP Ali Hassan Khalil told The Daily Star on Sunday. "We have nothing to hide and we have said so in the dialogue and consultations. In principle we agree on the tribunal and we have made it clear in our statements."

However, when the tribunal was first discussed after anti-Syrian MP Gebran Tueni was assassinated in late 2005, the same Shiite ministers suspended their participation in the Cabinet. "We are in direct contact with our allies to assess the situation," Khalil added. "All options are being considered, and our resignation was for political reasons as there is domination over power and decision-making. When these reasons are taken into consideration by the majority and we reach an agreement on that, then maybe we will return to the Cabinet."

As to whether the Amal and Hizbullah blocs would resign from Parliament, a prominent Hizbullah official told The Daily Star on condition of anonymity: "There are many means of pressure that we can use, but resigning from the Parliament isn't one of them."

Street protests are one option that hizbullah has stressed. Hizbullah's number two, Sheikh Naim Qassem, told Reuters on Sunday that the Cabinet resignation "was a first step. There will be other steps that we will discuss in detail with our allies and which we will announce gradually."

"Going ... to the streets is one of the important steps that Hizbullah and its allies will take," he added.

Also Sunday, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmad Abou al-Gheit argued that "efforts must be exerted to avoid, by all means, resorting to the street."

The resignation came as a surprise to many, despite the "electrified" nature of Saturday's consultation session. A governmental source told The Daily Star that the session was tense and "electrified so it had to be postponed until Wednesday until Berri returns from his trip to Tehran."

Speaking from Iran after meeting Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki on the sidelines of a convention of Asian legislative leaders, Berri said the "situation ... has reached a divorce status, but this doesn't mean we have hit a dead end. Divorce can be revocable but this is in the hands of the majority." He added that "I tried to find a remedy to the problem, but alas, we reached a point where divorce was inevitable."
Deutsche Welle reported today on two further developments: 1) A sixth Lebanese cabinet member has resigned. 2) The Siniora cabinet met and approved the UN framework for the Hariri international tribunal.
Posted by: mrp || 11/13/2006 09:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [293 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hizbullah and Amal ministers resigned Saturday after accusing the March 14 Forces of "controlling the decision-making in the Cabinet"

Hizbo coalition controls 35 of 128 seats or 27%. Siniora's coalition controls 72 of 128 or 56%.

Hizbo's should be given a beat down by the world's democracies, but most, like France, Britian and Germany, will call for negotiations with the hizbos.

It's nothing but a cynical ploy to give pretext for a toppling of Lebanon's legitimate gov't to prevent a real hearing of Hiriri's murder.
Posted by: Lanny Ddub || 11/13/2006 20:35 Comments || Top||


Hezbollah’s missiles back in Lebanon
FOUR months after Israel launched its onslaught against Hezbollah, the Lebanese guerrillas are back in south Lebanon stronger than ever and armed with more rockets than they had before the conflict, according to Israeli intelligence. During the month-long war, which began on July 12, Hezbollah fired 200 to 250 rockets a day into Israel, killing 43 civilians and terrorising much of the north of the country.

“Since the ceasefire, additional rockets, weapons and military equipment have reached Hezbollah,” said an Israeli intelligence officer. “We assume they now have about 20,000 rockets of all ranges — a bit more than they had before July 12.” Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, has confirmed the Israeli estimate. In a recent interview with al-Manar, the Hezbollah television station, he claimed his organisation had restocked its arsenal and now held at least 30,000 rockets, sufficient for five months of war.

Israeli military intelligence has warned the government that renewed fighting with Hezbollah, which it regards as a terrorist organisation, should be expected as early as next spring.

In response, Israeli forces have taken emergency action. They have postponed a plan to reduce the length of national service — currently 36 months for men and about 24 months for women — and are stepping up production of better armoured tanks. They are also grouping all special forces into a single new division and are developing laser technology, jointly with the United States, to shoot down Hezbollah’s rockets.

On the border with Lebanon it is easy to understand Israeli concerns. A sniper from the Israeli 50th infantry brigade said last week that Hezbollah was active, although its members wore civilian clothes rather than uniforms. The sniper, a 24-year-old lawyer from New York on national service, watched through his gun sight as a young man carrying an AK-47 assault rifle climbed from a Jeep. “He was walking quickly and all of a sudden he disappeared into a hidden shelter,” he said. “Then the guy went back to the Jeep and back to the tunnel, checking how quickly he could get there. Then he climbed into the Jeep and drove away. He added: “We feel that Hezbollah are constantly there, though we rarely see any weapons.”

The Israeli military estimates that at least 5,000 rockets are hidden in secret shelters along the border, which it failed to find before the ceasefire came into effect on August 14. Iranian-made long-range Zelzal rockets, which could reach Tel Aviv, have been stored in hidden locations. “We’re now in a race to locate the new rockets,” said a Mossad source. Tracking down the Iranian rockets was one of Israel’s few military successes in the summer. According to sources, the Israeli air force destroyed them on the first night of battle. “We believe Hezbollah have learnt their lesson and it will be much harder to locate them next time,” said the source.

Israel has not yet found a way to tackle the threat from the short and medium-range rockets. It is developing the Nautilus laser-guided cannon in an attempt to intercept them. “It still remains to be seen if the laser gun will work,” said another source. “But it will take up to three years and might be too late for the next war.”

Israel is alarmed at the burgeoning self-confidence of Nasrallah and what it perceives as his intention to undermine Lebanon’s fragile government and take over the country’s politics.
Talks in Beirut to defuse the crisis collapsed yesterday. Nasrallah has set a deadline of tomorrow for his demands to be met or he will stage mass demonstrations.
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#1  All glory to UNIFIL!
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 6:23 Comments || Top||

#2  All glory to UNIFIL!

Well, they are doing exactly what they set out to do - just not what they claimed.
Posted by: xbalanke || 11/13/2006 18:05 Comments || Top||


‘Al Qaeda Lebanon’ group says it will destroy the government
Working hand-in-hand with Nasty, and they just might succeed.
BEIRUT - A group identifying itself as ‘Al Qaeda Lebanon’ issued a statement Sunday threatening ‘to destroy the corrupt cabinet that takes orders from the US administration.’

The typewritten statement by the previously unknown group was sent to the Christian Voice of Lebanon radio station. ‘We have reached Lebanon and we will work on destroying this government and all the other agents. Let them know that we are after them, with God’s will,’ the statement said.
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#1  Please do. Then we can bomb the living shit out of you without any hesitation.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 0:08 Comments || Top||

#2  I have a hunch that Hezb'Allah just changed its name to AlQ for a while.
Posted by: gorb || 11/13/2006 0:48 Comments || Top||

#3  DEMOLEFT > AATTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKKKKKKK, as long we don't destroy anything, invade or kill or hurt anyone, or hurt their feelings, + of course save the enviro + $$$ for UNO Progs.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 11/13/2006 1:31 Comments || Top||

#4  I would think that a US "puppet" government would do something about Hezbollah, and any Sunni group that rose to match it.
Posted by: Sneaze Shaiting3550 || 11/13/2006 1:35 Comments || Top||

#5  IMO, their willingness to kill each other is Muslims only positive quality.
Posted by: gromgoru || 11/13/2006 6:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Well, why not? Our government is about to be destroyed on January 2nd(?).
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:51 Comments || Top||

#7  The new congress takes over on Jan. 20. Otherwise, you make a good point. Buy your ammo now, boys and girls.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2006 8:25 Comments || Top||

#8  I looked it up. The Prez and VP are the 20th. Congress is the 3rd.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 15:55 Comments || Top||

#9  Okay, sorry.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/13/2006 20:47 Comments || Top||

#10  IMO, their willingness to kill each other is Muslims only positive quality.

I'm still willing to maintain that this single lesson may well be worth all of the precious blood and treasure we have expended in Iraq.

Muslims adore to do so and cannot possibly stop from killing each other.

If they ever do, guess who is next on the list?
Posted by: Zenster || 11/13/2006 20:56 Comments || Top||

#11  Buy it now, anyway: prices are going up, at least they are around Philly. Course, that could just mean they got some gang war scheduled for this weekend...
Posted by: Dave D. || 11/13/2006 20:59 Comments || Top||


Saniora refuses Hizbullah resignation
Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora refused to accept the resignation of Hizbullah and Amal ministers on Saturday, hours after the five Shi'ite members quit in protest. Saniora "rejects the resignation of the colleagues representing Hizbullah even if he receives the formal written resignations," his office said in a statement.

Diplomatic officials in Jerusalem declined to comment on the dramatic development, saying it was too early to know how the affair would play out. One official, however, said that while Jerusalem did not want to take a public position on internal Lebanese political matters, Israel did expect that any Beirut government would be bound by the terms of UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended the fighting between Israel and Hizbullah in August.

The Lebanese premier's decision means the five ministers are still legally part of the government and that his cabinet remains in office. Still, the resignations threw the country's political landscape into chaos hours after rival politicians failed to agree on Hizbullah's demand to form a national unity government. The government has lost the support of Shi'ites, the country's largest sect, making it difficult for Saniora to govern. At least nine ministers would need to resign for the government to fall.

Hizbullah and Amal said their ministers resigned because all-party talks on a national unity government fell through, with the government trying to impose conditions, according to Hizbullah's Al-Manar television. Al-Manar said the ministers quit because they refused "to cover up that which we are not convinced of and that which might damage the supreme national interests." Their resignations was also a result of authorities "insisting on imposing terms and premature results for negotiations," Al-Manar said.

Saniora's statement indicated that he was open for dialogue to bring the ministers back into the fold. Saniora "strongly insists on their continued active participation in the government," the statement said. The cabinet will continue to govern based on the constitution "in words and spirit" and "on the basis of consultation, dialogue and consensus," Saniora said.

Hizbullah, Amal and their political allies have been demanding at least one-third representation in a national unity cabinet, which would give them effective veto power over key decisions and the ability to bring down the government. Parliament has refused their demand and the two sides have been holding talks for several days over the issue. It was not immediately clear whether Hizbullah would stick to the ultimatum it gave political leaders - to reach a deal on the national unity government or face mass street protests beginning Monday.

Hizbullah's fierce resistance to Israel during last summer's war has gained the group increasing political clout. Saturday's breakdown in negotiations and cabinet resignations came a day after the government received a draft document that would create an international tribunal to try suspects in the 2005 assassination of former prime minister Rafik Hariri - another potential land mine in the escalating tensions between Saniora's government and opponents. Michel Aoun, the leader of a Christian faction allied with Hizbullah, accused the government's anti-Syrian majority of "working outside the norms of a democratic system."
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#1  "Why, if you guys weren't part of the government, you'd be straight-up outlaws and we'd have to come after you! And since you could kick our ass, that might prove awfully embarassing!"
Posted by: mojo || 11/13/2006 10:35 Comments || Top||

#2  This raises a question i have spent many long hours contemplating: if you resign, but the resignation s refused and then you still don't show up, what can they do, FIRE you????
Posted by: USN, ret. || 11/13/2006 14:14 Comments || Top||

#3  lol!
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 14:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Nope. Today, the Saniora cabinet voted to accept the UN framework for the Hariri international tribunal, even though a sixth cabinet member also resigned today. With UNSC resolution 1701 in place, we are looking at flash-point political brinksmanship here.
Posted by: mrp || 11/13/2006 14:20 Comments || Top||


Iran's once dissident campuses falling silent
IRAN’S university campuses are falling silent. Student activists, once at the vanguard of a movement seeking political and social change in the Islamic Republic, say they are increasingly afraid to speak out. “I used to take part in so many protests. I was arrested twice, once in 2001 and once in 2003,” said student Mehdi Aminzadeh, describing his role in rallies during the tenure of pro-reform former President Mohammad Khatami. “The situation has changed a lot since that time. The pressures have pushed us to be more cautious,” said the 29-year-old, who says he has been barred from registering for a Masters in political science. Since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took power in August last year vowing a return to Islamic revolutionary principles, activists say 181 students have been summoned to university disciplinary boards and 105 of them were suspended.

Most have been reinstated but Aminzadeh is among a handful who activists say are still barred from registering to study. Many students, who wanted more radical change to Iran’s system of clerical rule than reformist politicians proposed, became disenchanted even before Khatami left office in 2005. Reformists, when in power, failed to deliver on many promises.

Critics say the authorities, since Ahamdinejad’s election, have been slowly tightening the screws on rivals, not in sweeping gestures, but with measures that silence activists and that send a clear message about the cost of opposition. As well as clamping down on students, critical professors say they have been pushed into early retirement. A leading pro-reform newspaper has been shut. And Western diplomats say their cultural events or exchanges are facing obstacles. The government dismisses such charges, saying they welcome criticism and encourage free speech. University officials say students are only being punished if they break rules.

‘Corrupting religious people’: “Some students have committed acts that are inconsistent with religious, national and university standards,” the head of Tehran University, Abbas Ali Amid-Zanjani, was quoted as saying in September by the daily Farhang-e Ashti. “We have to deal with student offences so they will not recur. We shall not be too harsh, of course,” he added. But critics say the appointment of Amid-Zanjani, the first cleric to head Tehran University and seen as a presidential ally, shows the government is filling educational establishments with its own people. Ahmadinejad has called for students to denounce professors sullying the Islamic Republic’s universities with “secularism”.

“People like Ahmadinejad genuinely believe ideas presented to students and by students to the people can corrupt religious people,” said one Iranian analyst, who asked not to be named. Two prominent reformists, Saeed Hajjarian and Mohsen Kadivar, have been sacked from their posts as university lecturers, Iran’s student news agency ISNA reported last week.

“The head of philosophy group of the university has told me that he has been under pressure because of my presence in the group,” Kadivar, a cleric, told ISNA. “The pressure has been because of our beliefs and our critical positions.” In Khatami’s era, such pressure sent students out into the streets or at least campus protests. In 1999, when the judiciary shut the reformist Salam newspaper, students started the worst unrest since the aftermath of the 1979 Islamic revolution. When Sharq, Iran’s leading reformist daily in recent years, was shut in September there was only a deafening silence. Mohammad Ali Abtahi, a cleric who was a vice-president in Khatami’s administration, told Reuters reformists have little power now to support students. But he said students – who have called for boycotts of past elections – would vote in next month’s local council elections. “They have to pay heavy price if they want to be politically active,” he said. “It does not mean they will not participate in the (forthcoming) elections.”
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#1  Oh well, we better just let them have nukes then. Otherwise they'll not like us, and they'll blame all their country's problems on us.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 11/13/2006 6:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like a lot of our Ivy League schools.
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 6:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Surprise meter reading zero.
Posted by: wxjames || 11/13/2006 8:26 Comments || Top||

#4  Sounds like a lot of our Ivy League schools

Frightening but true. Expect it to get worse as the Saudi paymasters demand their money's worth.
Posted by: anon || 11/13/2006 9:02 Comments || Top||

#5  I think many of our schools can use the Galloway defense: "We don't need a bribe to work against our own country; we'll do it for free."
Posted by: Jackal || 11/13/2006 15:56 Comments || Top||


Iran calls Argentina bomb charges a US-Zionist plot
Argentine federal Judge Rodolfo Canicoba Corral on Thursday ordered a warrant for the arrest of former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and eight others on charges of masterminding the July 18, 1994 attack.
Iran said on Saturday an international arrest warrant for nine Iranian officials ordered by an Argentinian judge for the bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires was part of a Zionist, US plot against Iran. Argentine federal Judge Rodolfo Canicoba Corral on Thursday ordered a warrant for the arrest of former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and eight others on charges of masterminding the July 18, 1994 attack. A truck laden with explosives levelled the seven-storey Argentine Israeli Mutual Association (AMIA) building, a symbol of the country’s Jewish community - Latin America’s largest. Eighty-five people were killed and more than 200 wounded. Tehran denies any involvement.
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#1  Surprise-meter at zero methinks.
Posted by: Excalibur || 11/13/2006 9:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Iranian Prosecutor-General: Arrest Argentine authorities who issued warrant for Rafsanjani

Because "making propaganda against Iran is a crime." An update on this story. "Iran prosecutor demands arrest of Argentinian officials," from Reuters:

TEHRAN, Nov 12 (Reuters) - A top Iranian prosecutor demanded an arrest warrant be issued for Argentinian judges and prosecutors, state radio said, after Argentina demanded the arrest of Iranian officials over the bombing of a Jewish centre.

The United States branded Iran and Hezbollah a "global nexus of terrorism" on Saturday and applauded the Argentinian court for seeking the arrest of the Iranian officials in connection with the 1994 bombing which killed 85 people.

Iranian Prosecutor-General Qorbanali Dorri-Najafabadi wrote to hardline Tehran prosecutor Saeed Mortezavi and asked him to issue arrest warrants for former Argentinian judge Juan Jose Galeano who was previously in charge of the case, the current prosecutor and other legal officials, the radio said.

"Despite Galeano being sentenced for taking money and creating a fake case against Iranian officials and after it became clear that Zionist circles paid him ... unfortunately the Argentinian prosecutor has made baseless claims against Iran," state radio quoted Dorri-Najafabadi as saying in his letter.

Galeano was removed from the case in 2003 for corruption.

Dorri-Najafabadi said he wanted Galeano and others involved in the case arrested because "making propaganda against Iran is a crime".

Iran said on Saturday the Argentinian arrest warrant was part of a Zionist, U.S. plot against Iran.
Posted by: 3dc || 11/13/2006 9:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Iran said on Saturday the Argentinian arrest warrant was part of a Zionist, U.S. plot against Iran.

Isn't just about everything conceivable by the human imagination "part of a Zionist, U.S. plot against Iran"?
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