[Dawn] A RECENTLY surfaced gruesome video showing execution of around 16 police and levies personnel by the faceless myrmidons is apparently related to the last month's attack by the faceless myrmidons in Shaltalu area of Barawal Banda, a remote part of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa ... formerly NWFP, still Terrorism Central... near the Afghan border in Upper Dir District. Local people say that the footage has been released by the cut-thoats, who decamped different parts of Malakand Division including Swat ...a valley and an administrative district in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Province of Pakistain, located 99 mi from Islamabad. It is inhabited mostly by Pashto speakers. The place has gone steadily downhill since the days when Babe Ruth was the Sultan of Swat... and tribal areas during the military operations and are now having sanctuaries in Afghanistan.
The footage is an evidence of how these faceless myrmidons have been violating the law of land as well as international conventions related to armed conflicts. From time-to-time the cut-thoats, claiming to be part of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistain (TTP), continue to release different video footages mostly aimed at terrorising the public on the lam.
Some of the videos, which surfaced in tribal areas, pertained to the killing of alleged US spies. Few of the footages show beheadings of local persons who were suspected of begin involved in intelligence gathering for the US as well as intelligence agencies.
Several videos had in past surfaced in Swat Valley, where the faceless myrmidons were calling the shots till May 2009 after which a decisive military operation was launched. One such footage was related to a spiritual leader of Matta Tehsil, Pir Samiullah, who was an opponent of the cut-thoats. His body was exhumed in late 2008 and was hanged at a public place. Other such horrible footages continued to surface from the scenic valley, which was once known for tourism before the faceless myrmidons gained influence there.
The latest video shows around 16 bound personnel of levies and police lined up in a row. A cut-thoat leader delivers a short speech wherein he states that these were the enemies of the Allah's religion. He also referred to last year's killing of six youngsters allegedly by personnel of security forces and said that they would now avenge their death in the same manner.
His speech was followed by indiscriminate firing on the personnel. Some of them were seen groaning of pain. One of the faceless myrmidons then targeted the victims individually by firing at them making it sure that none of them was alive.
On the face of it, these faceless myrmidons have no regard for the country's as well as the international laws. Article 9 of the Constitution of Pakistain guarantees that no person shall be deprived of life or liberty save in accordance with law. Similarly, killing of the said personnel of police and levies is a crime under the Pakistain Penal Code and the Anti-Terrorism Act.
Legal circles believe that the crimes committed by these faceless myrmidons are of international level and in conflict with Geneva Conventions of 1949. Article 3 common to the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949 provides that armed conflict not of an international character each party to the conflict should be bound to follow certain restrictions. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those disabled by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely.
Various acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time with respect to the said persons, including: violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilised peoples.
Legal experts said that the Protocol No.II Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 1949, relating to a non-international armed conflict, places various restrictions on the warring groups including the security personnel.
The said protocol provides certain fundamental guarantees which have to be followed during an internal conflict. Article 4 (1) of the protocol makes it binding that all persons who do not take a direct part or who have ceased to take part in hostilities, whether or not their liberty has been restricted, are entitled to respect for their person, honour and convictions and religious practices. They shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction.
Furthermore, against the said persons certain acts are prohibited including: violence to the life, health and physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular murder as well as cruel treatment such as torture, mutilation or any form of corporal punishment.
The video footage of the killing of six persons, which was mentioned by the cut-thoat leader in his speech, had surfaced in Sept 2010. Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani had ordered an inquiry about the said video but so far nothing has been made public about the outcome. Several other videos had also surfaced showing several army personnel torturing suspected cut-thoats.On several occasions allegations surfaced against the security forces regarding violation of human rights ...which are usually entirely different from personal liberty... in the conflict-hit areas. It appears that for the atrocities and brutalities committed by the faceless myrmidons in different areas the security forces have decided to pay them back in the same coin.
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[Dawn] WITH the beginning of the military operation against the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistain (TTP) in Kurram Agency, ...home of an intricately interconnected web of poverty, ignorance, and religious fanaticism, where the laws of cause and effect are assumed to be suspended, conveniently located adjacent to Tora Bora... a sixth front in the country's border tribal areas has been opened.
The Kurram operation has been launched despite the fact that none of the missions in five other tribal areas has been brought to an end. North Wazoo is the remaining tribal agency where the Pakistain military is so far resisting US and NATO ...the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Originally it was a mutual defense pact directed against an expansionist Soviet Union. In later years it evolved into a mechanism for picking the American pocket while criticizing the cut of the American pants... pressure to launch anti-militant operations.
The military is currently engaged in clearing Mohmand, ... Named for the Mohmand clan of the Sarban Pahstuns, a truculent, quarrelsome lot. In Pakistain, the Mohmands infest their eponymous Agency, metastasizing as far as the plains of Beautiful Downtown Peshawar, Charsadda, and Mardan. Mohmands are also scattered throughout Pakistan in urban areas including Karachi, Lahore, and Quetta. In Afghanistan they are mainly found in Nangarhar and Kunar... Bajaur, Khyber, Orakzai, Kurram and South Waziristan agencies of tribal bully boys.
The prime objectives, announced mostly on the eve of the launch of these military operations, pertain to flushing out local and foreign bully boys, stabilising the tribal regions and preventing them from being used by Afghan Taliban and Al Qaeda as sanctuaries and grounds for launching attacks inside Afghanistan.
The tribal region stretching over some 27,220 square kilometres and inhibited by millions of tribespersons has been in the military's control for the last several years. Being treated as hostile territory, the tribal people have suffered a number of deaths and unprecedented destruction, caused by faceless myrmidons and more by military operations. Today, after years of conflict, the region appears more destabilised and infested with more faceless myrmidons than it was prior to the current military presence.
Military operations have antagonised the local people as very often troops and officers being ignorant of local traditions and culture deal with every primitive as a perceived enemy. There are stories galore of military highhandedness vis-à-vis the tribal folk. Public humiliation of rustics, who otherwise have a respectable reputation in their villages, is common, and minor provocations sometimes end in bloodletting.
One cannot really blame the officers and troops as this mindset is a typical one characterising the Pak establishment with regard to the tribal belt. Paying little heed to inbuilt mechanisms dealing with foreigners and managing conflicts, and that evolved through centuries of internecine warfare and foreign invasions, the military has in its pocket only quick-fix solutions.
From ordinary rustics to tribal elders and parliamentarians, the level of criticism of the military and its way of dealing with the situation without consulting the stakeholders is rising. There appears to have been little attempt to consult the tribal leadership and tribal political representation prior to sending in the troops. This has caused a loss of trust vital for the success of any military operation.
Then there is the question of protection from 'targeted' killings by 'unknown' people for the troubled tribal people that the military has failed to provide. Wrongly or rightly, the popular perception of many tribal people is that the majority of their elders have been targeted by the military, not the bully boys. In an informal conversation, a tribal parliamentarian referred to his discussion with a bully boy leader who while denying involvement in assassinations said that had faceless myrmidons targeted the tribal elders they would have been murdered in their homes or hujras not on roads and highways as happens in most of the cases.
Another widely held perception among the tribal people is that the military has not come to the tribal areas to protect the people but for other motives as grand as legalising and marking the Durand Line. There is a feeling that Pakistain is not interested in finishing the job in Fata and is waiting until the situation in Afghanistan is resolved. Islamabad also wants the international community to accept it as a major stakeholder in the Afghan endgame, so keeping the tribal territory in a destabilised state is in the 'greater interest' of Pakistain.
In April this year, local military commanders were accused of killing 38 villagers at Sheikh Baba of Tehsil Lakaro in Mohmand Agency for apparently failing to identify a bully boy in the area. This issue was raised in the Senate by JI Senator Prof Ibrahim demanding an inquiry and the submission of a report. It appears that neither has an inquiry been conducted nor a report presented to the upper house.
Likewise, on the question put by Senator Salih Shah in the upper house, the government failed to present even 20 names and addresses out of over 3,000 Mehsud faceless myrmidons claimed to have been killed by the military in South Waziristan. These instances are just the tip of the iceberg in the wake of the media blackout in tribal territories.
The casual way of handling a serious situation in Fata by the civilian and military establishments will cost the nation dearly. Apparently, political forces have left Fata to the military to deal with the growing militancy and the military leadership in turn is ignoring the politicianship in matters related to tribal areas.
President Asif Ali President Ten Percent Zardari ... sticky-fingered husband of the late Benazir Bhutto ... is unnecessarily denying the extension of the Political Parties Act and political rights to the tribal people despite their demands. The apathy of the politicianship towards Fata is also evident from the fact that with thousands of troops engaged in anti-militant operations, neither the president nor the prime minister have bothered to visit the affected areas and see the situation at close hand.
There is a need to revisit the whole game plan with an open mind to see where we have gone wrong in the tribal region instead of letting the situation slip out of hand and reach a point of no return.
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#2
See also TOPIX/WORLD NEWS > [IRGC Magazine "Sobeh Sadegh"] IRAN WARNS TURKEY TO BUTT OUT OF SYRIA.
versus
* WAFF > [Turkey UN Represen-Envoy on Gaza Flotilla Ozdem Sanberk] NOW IS ISRAEL'S LAST CHANCE TO APOLOGIZE, for stopping Gaza-bound ships + diplomatic restore relations wid Turkey to former positive or proactive levels.
#3
DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > AHMADINEJAD FEELS ITS TIME [for Iran] TO CAST ASIDE NUCLEAR SECRECY.
ARTIC = MOUD favors OPEN DEVELOPMENT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS FOR IRAN, BUT FEARS BACKLASH FROM STATE EL SUPREMO/HEFE THE AYATOLLAH KHAMENI + MULLAH SUPPORTERS.
and
* SAME > RUSSIA THREATENS TO WRECK THE RESET. Russia is warning the US that iff it continues to criticize Russia on HUMAN RIGHTS, Moscow will end bilateral Russo-US cooperat as per Iran + halt the tranfer of supplies + materials to Afghanistan.
* BHARA RAKSHAK > PRESSTV: US NOT WAVERING ON PLANS FOR FUTURE IRAN INVASION.
* SAME > ANALYSIS: US TO FORCE IRAN OVERREACH AS PART OF MIDDLE EAST STRATEGY.
ARTIC = Schema calls for ...
> Progressive buildup of [post-Iraq, Afghan/AFPK = 2014?]US Milfors in ME + Persian Gulf region.
> Participation of Israel, Turkey, + Saudi Arabia + GCC in containing spread of pro-Iran Islamist regional influence; US = US, NATO-led modernization of the Armed Forces, Econs of anti-Iran Govts-States.
> INDUCE IRAN-SPECIFIC IMPLOSION + IDEO COLLAPSE VIA COMBIN OF UN, INTERNAT ECON SANCTIONS + COST-PROHIBITIVE OVER-PROJECTION BY IRAN OF ITS OWN MILPOL INFLUENCE.
HMMMM, HMMMM, intehwesting to see how this unfolds come August 3rd + possible US Govt. Default.
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ION CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > NORWAY SUSPECT SAYS HE WANTED EUROPEAN ANTI-MUSLIM CRUSADE.
CMF POSTER = GERMANY [Nordics?] SHOULD HAVE STUDIED THE CHINESE EPXERIENCE FIRST. They would had learned that TURKS = ETHNIC MUSLIMS/MUSLIM MAJORITY cannot be tamed or integrated, + can only be destroyed in war or else otherwise forced to leave = emigrate en masse???
* PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > NORWAY: EUROPE'S RIGHT-WING TERRORISM SIGNALS END OF TOLERANCE.
* SAME > NORWAY ATTACKS: RISE OF THE RADICAL RIGHT? | [Europe]WE CAN NO LONGER IGNORE THE FAR RIGHT THREAT.
* SAME > NORWAY ATTACK: RIGHT-WING EXTREMISM IS BACK; US, EUROPE "HOMEGROWN".
* SAME > NORWAY'S "OKLAHOMA CITY" MOMENT + US ATTACKS COINCIDENTAL?
* SAME > NORWAY KILLER WANTS TO WEAR [military-style]UNIFORM, LAWYER CLAIMS, besides also to explain Himself + Motives in an OPEN PUBLIC TRIAL.
* NEWS KERALA > OSLO KILLER WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS, SENT TO SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
Breivik warns there are TWO MORE CELLS IN HIS ORG, THE "NEW KNIGHTS TEMPLAR".
Will say it again - Iff "PEARL HARBOR" was Hollywood's + DemoLeft's quiet or subtle, PCOrrect-Deniable, post-Reagan post-SOviet/USSR/Cold War "declaration of war" agz the US + GOP-Right, "NORWAY" [Oslo-Utoya Isle] MAY BE ITS OPEN OR OVERT DECLARATION OF WAR AGZ SAME.
Its Commie "PURGE TIME", or CATALYST THEREFOREIN, i.e. the Commies desire to begin the elimination of Fascists = FASCISTS-FOR-COMMUNISTS from the OWG-NWO Socialist ranks, the "GLOBAL" SOCIALISTS to get rid of the "NATIONAL" SOCIALISTS???
Unfortunately for the Left, still leaves NUKE-, JIHAD-HAPPY RADICAL ISLAM = GOD/FAITH-BASED SOCIALISTS = THEO-SOCIALISTS + OTHER "BLACK"
"FASCIST" ASYMMETRIC COVERT GROUPS for the Secular Commies to deal with.
FASCISM = DEMOCAPITALIST USA = VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFEAT OR DESTROY EXTERNALLY, 'TIS MORE EASIER OR EXPEDITIOUS TO DO SO FROM WITHIN, ee COMMIES-FOR-FASCISM-FOR-COMMUNISM.
ARISE, "GLOBAL" MARX + LENIN + STALIN, ARISE.
*1990's NET = SEND THE MESSAGE TO GORBACHEV: WE HAVE DONE IT, THE MESSAGE IS "TORA-TORA-TORA"!
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But people like Robert Spencer or Bruce Bawer are no more responsible for Breviks actions than the Beatles were for the grisly murders carried out by Charles Manson, who said he had been inspired by their music.
That was a long time ago. I'm sure no one at the Times was even alive then. Besides, it wouldn't fit their narrative.
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You're making it very very easy to blame rightwingers for this: same way that cheering Palestinians made it easy to blame Muslims as a whole for this.
Glenn Beck just compared the victims to the Hitler Youth. Here in Rantburg, several commentators blamed the victims as well. Even ignoring the members that were so openly disgusting that they got condemned by the rest of you, several others' response was only to claim the Left are monsters (that they'd be supposedly cheering for joy at the news, that they are effectively monsters that need be destroyed, that the LEFT has launched a war).
Much as the hours after 9/11/2001 wouldn't be a good time to claim Americans are monsters -- as it would be seen as an indirect endorsements of the 9/11 murders; this wasn't a good time to launch accusations against "multiculturalists". Not when someone just murdered the "multiculturalists"' children by the dozens.
So, WHY are you making it so easy for the world to believe you all evil supporters of child-murderers?
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Much as the hours after 9/11/2001 wouldn't be a good time to claim Americans are monsters -- as it would be seen as an indirect endorsements of the 9/11 murders;
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@Aris
When left radicals like the German RAF or the Italian Brigate Rosse started bombing and killing, some people were rather quick to blame the "left wing" ideology of Adorno and Marcuse, for example.
We certainly shouldn't repeat the strategy. European cities have no problems with Muslims, they have problems with people from Muslimic countries who refuse to integrate, who insist in living exactly like they lived back home in rural Anatolia (they still want the modern social benefits, of course).
This is a problem, and we are entitled to pint them out without being afraid that a totally deranged Norwegian mass murderer would use arguments as they suit him to murder... err Norwegians.
I find that certain blogs hyperventilate when it comes to the "Islamic danger". Rantburg is not one of them.
PS: Just in case, please don't delete Aris. I'm very willing to debate with him.
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American lefties are pushing the "Christian fundamentalist" claptrap and the Moslems are righteously indignant that the guy did what Moslems are noted for doing.
A Nazi is a Nazi. This guy is a Nazi, right down to the love of ornate uniforms and "Europe for the Euros."
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Procopius2k, I don't know how you managed to quote my post without even reading its first sentence which mentions those cheering Palestinians; whose existence I emphasized but you seem to somehow think I denied.
I gave it *explicitly* as an example of the behaviour you don't want emulating -- and you somehow think I denied them.
Given such a failure, I have to wonder if you're a sentient organism, Procopius2K. Perhaps you're a not-yet-sufficiently advanced computer program that looks for keywords but can't yet comprehend human language?
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... and I rather like having Aris around until he starts picking fights. It's good to have more than one opinion, it's bad to have stoopid flame wars.
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When we see reportage on the recent massacre in Norway that compares the killer to Israeli actions in Gaza, _it looks to us like nazi propaganda_.
"Some of my friends tried to stop him by talking to him. Many people think on the island that it was a test ... comparing it to how it is to live in Gaza. So many people went to him and tried to talk to him, but they were shot immediately." - Adrian Pracon
He can't even talk about a terrorist attack on his own people, by a rare real Nazi, without accusing Israel of terrorist attacks on Palestinians, in a week when the death toll from Syria's crackdown on _its_ population went past a thousand.
Annette Krüger Spitta of the ARD's (German public broadcasting) TV magazine Panorama states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The Panorama report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.
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European Conservative -- there's a phrase in Greek that roughly translates to "The Caesar's wife need not just BE honorable, but SEEM honorable".
Even if those specific cheering Palestinians were a fraud (I don't know) - many Palestinians' attitude towards previous attacks against civilians is what made it very very easy to accuse Palestinians as sympathetic or even openly supportive to the attacks.
Which is sort of my point. One shouldn't make it easy for other people to depict them as evil. Even if deep deep inside you know you aren't evil, knowing it yourselves is not enough. You ought also LOOK not evil.
"Glenn Beck just compared the victims to the Hitler Youth. Here in Rantburg, several commentators blamed the victims as well."
I haven't seen that footage but of course this is absolutely despicable. I have personally addressed one Rantburg commentator (with a generic nick) over that issue and I remember Steve White setting him straight, too.
NOBODY in his right mind would blame the victims.
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PS: Re jubilating Palestians... I have come not to trust TV images too much on anything
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The man is clearly crazy.
He's a nazi...National SOCIALIST.
He's not a right winger...nazis are far left wing totalitarian leftist.
Always remember when the lefties give the conservatives the fascist crap, Hitler was a socialist.
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EU, the para above your selected posting stipulates -
The demonstration did happen and was condemned by Arafat; the footage was current.[9]
As for Aris, it's simply posted to bring home visually the fact that there were those who indeed act in such a manner. You imply an intent that was not there. If you allow the broad brushing of a group for the actions or the excuses issued by a few, that principle applies to both sides.
The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) immediately condemned the attacks. Fox News reported that in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon's largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.[18]
Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world.[18] with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.[21][22] The PNA claimed such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians". In an attempt to quash further reporting, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the Palestinian Authority could not "guarantee the life" of an Associated Press (AP) cameraman if footage he filmed of post-9/11 celebrations in Nablus was broadcast. Rahman's statement prompted a formal protest from the AP bureau chief, Dan Perry.[23][22]
#27
I can't speak to the Palestinians -- although it's even more disconcerting if the demonstrations were staged than if they were spontaneous -- but in Lackawanna, New York (home of the Lackawanna Six), my darling mother-in-law reported singing, dancing, and candy being handed out in the Yemeni section of town. They stopped when they noticed her watching, then resumed after she drove past. Other Rantburgers have reported seeing the same thing in Detroit. So whether or not the Palestinians staged it, others were indeed spontaneous in their celebrations.
But it was also members of the Lackawanna Muslim community who turned in the Six to the authorities, because they didn't accept the lads' jihad. I've seen things to indicate it was an imam at the mosque and the fathers of some of the Six, which speaks pretty strongly to the strength of their conviction. We've been following this growing argument within Islam for the past several years, here at Rantburg -- there is a battle of books between Dr. Ayman al Zawahiri and several former theologians of violent jihad who have come to rethink their former positions (Zawahiri is losing, in case you wondered) and another on being fought on YouTube...and of course much of what we know about the jihadis in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere comes from information shared by Muslim locals who disagree with the jihadis, for whatever reason.
Anybody who then accuses us of LOOKING evil because of what they assume us to be is too simpleminded to be worth arguing with, because he isn't interested in external reality. Have you gone to the news outlets to accuse them of bigotry because at first they all trumpeted the car bomb as a Muslim attack? Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator.
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Not writer, weiter. Autospell doesn't like unexpected foreign languges.
there's a phrase in Greek that roughly translates to "The Caesar's wife need not just BE honorable, but SEEM honorable".
About Mrs. Augustus Caesar, I believe. A woman who was was so steeped in perfidy that seeming honorable was all she had left. "Pure as Caesar's wife", as we say in English, has sadly never been a compliment.
#29
"Bill Clinton", you are arguing about the categories "left" or "right", same as someone else might argue for the categories blegg and rube.
You care about the category, because there is a disguised query behind your words: "Which group should feel ashamed for having him as part of them?" And having decided you don't want to feel ashamed for him, you decide he's not a right-winger.
Careful with that reasoning and with that hidden query! For though the words "left" and "right", "socialist" and "conservative" are fuzzy enough that you can assign everyone and everything to each of them, some words like "multi-culturalist" and "anti-multiculturalist" are slightly (slightly) more specific, and you won't be able to shove every monster into the *other* bin.
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trailing wife:
"Here at Rantburg we reminded ourselves to wait for the evidence before drawing conclusions about the perpetrator."
Trailing wife, I've read that thread: http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=326737&D=2011-07-22&SO=&HC=1
It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans" -- talked about whether Norwegians will now play "vikings and muslims", etc, etc.
And someone openly mocked the idea that it might be a neonazi instead, by putting it in the mouth of Napolitano.
So: No, Rantburg certainly did not remind itself to wait for the evidence. Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim. Don't rewrite history, please.
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Aris, radical Islamists immediately claimed credit for the attack. It was rational to believe them, since this is how they act. I did mention Norway was home to a kind of Nazi, but did not expect it to be socialists attacking other socialists; different flavors of Nazis, red on red.
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#7 However there is something denitely unlike known cases of Islamic terrorism: onlay tow dead, they usually try to kill far more people.
Posted by JFM 2011-07-22 12:20
And eighteen of the thirty-five posts were either reports of new information or links to information sources, at a time when all the major news outlets were talking about it being a jihadi attack, likely revenge for the imminent expulsion of Mullah Krekar. I misremembered acts of caution for words of caution, perhaps because that is how I explicitly framed the news on my Facebook page. My apologies.
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It begins with everyone making fun of the very idea that it can be anyone other than Muslims. People mockingly blamed in turn "the Amish", the "Laplanders", "the Buddhists", "the Lutherans"
This is probably one of those cultural jokes that loses something in translation. It is common practice here in the United States for news reports to omit certain details when the perpetrators are black or Muslim. Diminishing the self-esteem of minorities or reinforcing prejudices would be mean, I guess.
Also, as pointed out radical Islamists *did* take credit for the attack. Combine that with the historical data over the last decade ( roughly a thousand to one), and "Muslims" is a reasonable bet. But as always, facts get the last word. (like that will stop us from being snarky in the meantime!)
When you first heard of the bombing in Oslo, what was YOUR first thought?
a) Norwegian Neonazi
b) Islamic Jihadi Group
You can't blame people for spontaneous reactions
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Hey Aris is back.
He's from such a successful country; we should all listen to his "wisdom".
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07/26/2011 18:21 Comments ||
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Everyone in that thread mocked the very idea that it might be someone who wasn't a muslim.
You know why?
BECAUSE WE HAVE BRAINS. WE CAN RECOGNIZE PATTERNS.
This event was an outlier. One case out of hundreds tracked here at Rantburg; the one time a herd of zebra stampeded by.
And YOU are the one trying to make political hay over it.
I think this guy should get a fair trial and, if found guilty, executed. Unlike the left, the right will never appoint him to a prestigious office, never offer him a pardon, never let him give commencement speeches, never march in the street declaring him a "political prisoner". We won't name streets after him, won't erect statues to him...
But apparently we're supposed to flagellate ourselves?
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As of this AM, the Norway Govt has formally downgraded the Oslo, Utoya death toll to 76 - 8 known dead in Oslo + 68 as per Utoya.
* BREIVIK'S LAWYER = claims that his Client is a "totally insane" Person whom took various drugs to stiffen or harden his resolve to commit these horrific acts, + that BREIVIK ALSO SOUGHT TO SPARK VIOLENT REVOLUTION = MAJOR RACE, CULTURE WAR THROUGHOUT EUROPE.
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NEWS KERALA > NORWAY KILLER COLD BE JAILED FOR ONLY 21 YEARS.
IIUC ARTIC = Norway CJ Sys has a histoire' of releasing or paroling hardened or violent criminals after serving a minima average of 14 years, albeit the same could legally be detained longer iff deemed to still be a threat to society.
* SAME > OSLO ATTACKER FEARED CREATION OF SEVERAL "MINI-PAKISTANS" ALL OVER EUROPE.
Islamist-Sharia Enclaves = autonomous?, espec towards Year 2083 which hallmarks the END/COLLAPSE OF ANY + ALL WHITE EUROPEAN GOVTS + BEGINNING OF A DE FACTO MUSLIM-DOMINATED EUROPE [Eurabia], GOVTS + ECONOMIES + NUCLEAR ARSENALS THEREIN???
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I see we have aris mosquito buzzing around - who left the window open?
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Aris:
I am the one that mockingly put words into Janet Napolitano. At the time of my posting, Norwegian officials had named the attack 'Terrorism' and 'most certainly Muslim terror' in the Google translated link slightly higher. part of the snark in my post is that Napolitano and the 0bama regime in general had acted exactly as i depicted in other cases.
If there is someone seeking a narrative based on hoped-for appearances that do not necessarily fit reality i suggest you look first into a mirror before making such broad allegations here.
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save your breath, Abu
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07/26/2011 21:16 Comments ||
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Which is sort of my point. One shouldn't make it easy for other people to depict them as evil. Even if deep deep inside you know you aren't evil, knowing it yourselves is not enough. You ought also LOOK not evil.
Two days afterwards, and the Greek wants to give us style tips.
#47
Aris provides the counterpoint to the group-think that even Rantburgers can fall into. Reject his position, but know why his ideas are worthy of rejection, so that you will be prepared for the future. He is legion, and represents the unreflecting muddle of millions. Gird yourself with the knowledge of his failings, so that you can defeat him and them whenever necessary.
#48
CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > BREIVIK MANIFESTO: WHITE ARYANS TO WANT BROWN ARYANS AS SERVANTS ["Servant" under-class] + ANTI-MUSLIM ALLIES |NORWEGIAN MASS KILLER'S MANIFESTO HAILS HINDUTVA, i.e. Hindu [Ultra]Nationalist movements to help bring down MULTICULTURALIST = "CULTURAL MARXIST" GOVTS AROUND THE WORLD.
* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > REPORT: NORWAY KILLER PRAISES [homogenous] JAPAN AS A "MODEL COUNTRY".
Hails Tokyo = Nippon for overtly supporting pluralism, innovation, + libertarianism while covertly seriously limiting foreign immigration into the country for the sake of promo national- ethnic identity.
* SAME > TERROR THREAT INCREASINGLY NULLIFIES [US-World] GROWTH. Upward Progessionism/
Progressivism.
Govts. all but forced to "spend, spend, spend" for security even when they don't want to.
IIUC ARTIC = MORE REASONS TO ENGAGE IN "IMPERIALISM" + "NATION BUILDING" IRREGARDLESS IFF TOTAL, MAJOR, OR LIMITED WAR.
To paraph GEN. DOUGLAS MACARTHUR = "TIMIDITY IN WAR IS THE EPITOME OF STUPIDITY/FOOLISHNESS".
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
[Dawn] A RECENTLY surfaced gruesome video showing execution of around 16 police and levies personnel by the 
Kurram Agency,
Mohmand,
Asif Ali 
