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On Rantburg's Sunday Morning Coffee Pot: Mexico's massive debt scandal
On Rantburg's Sunday Morning Coffee Pot:
As Mexico's most powerful political party, the Partido Revolucionario Institucional (PRI) recovers from embarrassing revelations about its last president, Humbero Moreira Valdez, a disturbing picture forms about several Mexican states and their appetite for spending fuelled by public debt.
Posted by: badanov || 12/17/2011 02:14 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [524 views] Top|| File under:

#1  appetite for spending fuelled by public debt.

And yet $15,000,000,000,000 debt and increasing at a rate of $100,000,000,000/month isn't a problem. Nor is spending $1.72 for every dollar of tax revenue.
Posted by: Ulose Munster2089 || 12/17/2011 7:33 Comments || Top||

#2  I write Mexican drug war and national political news.

American national political news is two doors down in room 110.

Can't miss it...
Posted by: badanov || 12/17/2011 8:13 Comments || Top||

#3  I'll mention it to the Mexican illegal aliens populating every street corner.
Posted by: Ulose Munster2089 || 12/17/2011 8:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Illegal immigration is two floors down, third door to the left.

Right next to the exit.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/17/2011 11:11 Comments || Top||

#5  If the mexican economy gets worse the illegal alien problem will get worse. It is therefore in our interests that the mexican economy do well.

Have a nice day.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 12/17/2011 11:20 Comments || Top||

#6  That was like watching a tennis match! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/17/2011 12:02 Comments || Top||

#7  Does Goldman Sachs or J P Morgan Chase have offices in Mexico City?

That would explain everything...re-hypothecation..and all.

If I used the same collateral to get financing for my personal affairs, I would be put in jail.
Posted by: Bill Clinton || 12/17/2011 14:01 Comments || Top||

#8  As per recent immigration legislation, methinks the Bammer + Admin are expecting a supermassive new flood of illegals, Hispanics + Other, to flood CONUS-NORAM once PROPOSED FTAS/FTZS + NAU + TEXAS "SUPER-HIGHWAY/CORRIDOR", ETC. IS UP + RUNNING.

The days of when America = Amerika only had a mere or lowly 11.0Milyuhn +/- illegals will be seen as "the good ole days"???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/17/2011 21:41 Comments || Top||

> Keep having more Sex + Kiddies.
> Keep demanding autonomous Sharia + Land-Property Rights.
> Keep influencing = engaging in "creeping" takeover of the US Economy, + by extension Political-Govt processes.

Iff Whitey = Infidels don't like Sex + $$$ anymore, thats Whitey's = the Infidel's problem, correct???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/17/2011 21:50 Comments || Top||

#10  Hire some mexicans to build us a border wall.
Posted by: Creregum Glolump8403 || 12/17/2011 22:03 Comments || Top||

Europe's Seven Deadly Sins
h/t Gates of Vienna
The politicians of Europe love to flourish the flag of Community togetherness. But in their day-to-day politicking they give the lie to their supposed virtues. Die Zeit has compiled a cheat-sheet of national egotisms that are harming the Community...

Europe's Seven Deadly Sins (1/2)

Europe's Seven Deadly Sins (2/2)
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/17/2011 04:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [477 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a stupid text.
Posted by: Blackbeard Henbane9927 || 12/17/2011 11:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Second place finisher in the European Juvenile Writing Contest?
Posted by: Pappy || 12/17/2011 22:13 Comments || Top||

The Grand Turk
Rivalry over Syria, Iraq widens rift between Turkey and Iran
While an entire swath of the Arab world is in upheaval in one form or another, two non-Arab nations, Iran and Turkey, are in fierce competition to redefine their leadership roles in the Middle East, further stoking concerns that unrest sweeping the region may risk inciting wider, potentially devastating conflicts.

Following a day-long meeting on Thursday, the top Turkish military council said it reviewed the military's preparedness for war, without elaborating on what types of threats the country faces. Observers immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was a message designed to send chills through Tehran and its chief ally Syria. The statement came shortly after a series of threats Iranian officials made against Turkey, although Iran denied they were the Islamic republic's official position. The largely hidden "cold war" between Tehran and Ankara is brewing quickly, bringing with it a greater risk of conflict.

The great indulgence granted to Iran's ways and phobias in the face of a nuclear standoff last year between the Islamic republic and the West has reaped a self-destructing harvest, giving leeway to Iran's never-ceasing desire to expand. It would have been unimaginable last year, following Turkey's defense of the Islamic republic to defuse Western threats, to now expect Iran to end its friendship with the NATO member. The current split between Turkey and Iran began with the installment of NATO's early-warning radar system in Turkey and widened as the uprising in Syria looked to oust the leader of Iran's chief ally.

Turkish diplomats tossed back and forth the question of whether Iran is a reliable partner, and there was a deep fissure among Turkish intellectuals over Iran’s role in Turkey’s foreign policy decisions. Turkey and Iran have always had trouble describing how they relate to each other. While Turkey was protecting Iran from a growing Western confrontation last year, its policy was calculated to maintain stability in the region, advancing trade and friendly relations. The current upheaval in the Middle East has thrown the Turkish government’s much-vaunted zero-problems foreign policy into disarray and spawned a new era of rivalry between Iran and Turkey over Arab lands.
Posted by: tipper || 12/17/2011 20:28 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [430 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's what happens when you don't elect adults.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 12/17/2011 20:57 Comments || Top||

#2  its policy was calculated to maintain stability in the region, advancing trade and friendly relations

No, its policy was calculated to help make Turkey a dominant influence in the muslim world.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/17/2011 22:15 Comments || Top||

Stop this dangerous candidate!
h/t Gates of Vienna
US presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich (whose Lazarus-like trajectory to the Republican nomination I flagged up here a month ago) has recently demonstrated yet again Melanie’s First Rule of Modern Political Discourse – the more obvious the truth that you utter, the more explosive and abusive the reaction.

...So just what did he say? This:

‘ “Remember, there was no Palestine as a state — (it was) part of the Ottoman Empire. I think we have an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs and historically part of the Arab community and they had the chance to go many places...” ’

But of course, he is absolutely correct. As Elder of Ziyon pointed out, the Arabs who lived in Palestine were a disconnected bunch of tribes who had nothing in common with each other except that they were Arabs. They never were, are not and never will be a Palestinian people (the claim that they are now just because they say they are is risible and would be dismissed out of hand if applied to any other self-defined grouping). There is not and never has been any ‘Palestinian’ Arab culture, language, religion or national identity separate from that of the wider Arab nation. ‘Palestinianism’ was invented solely to destroy Israel. The one and only characteristic of this spurious ‘national’ identity is the aim of destroying another -- authentic -- national identity.
One that makes Europeans, and all properly credentialed Americans, sick to their stomachs
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/17/2011 04:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [559 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The most succinct explanation of Israel ever.
Posted by: newc || 12/17/2011 11:05 Comments || Top||

#2  They never were, are not and never will be a Palestinian people...

Not true.

There was a time when there were no Americans. Now there are, and will be for quite a while into the future.

There was a time when there were no Israelis. Now there are, and will be for quite a while into the future.

Yes, seventy years ago there were no Paleostinians. But now there are, and I don't think they're going away anytime soon. As much as it might be better for their 'brother Arabs' to absorb them into their own countries, that simply isn't going to happen.

So the Paleos are a fact of life, like it or not. There are a couple million of them. They're going to sit in Gaza and the West Bank if for no other reason than nobody else wants them.

So, gromgoru, what are you going to do with them? Kill them? You won't be an Israeli anymore if you do that. Expel them? To where? If they could be moved that would have happened already.

Sorry dude, but your country is going to have to make a deal. The Paleos have to deal as well -- they have to give up their charter, their own exterminationist rhetoric and dreams, and settle for a couple small slices of land.

But the idea that "there are no Palestinians", and therefore they're illegitimate and thus don't rate any consideration, is short-sighted.

They didn't exist before, but they exist now.

Gingrich is wrong. Again.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/17/2011 14:46 Comments || Top||

"Sorry dude, but your country is going to have to make a deal. The Paleos have to deal as well -- they have to give up their charter, their own exterminationist rhetoric and dreams, and settle for a couple small slices of land."

Uhm. No.
One could reasonably argue that there is Palestinian people but can you seriously believe that they will give up their goal of exterminating Israel?


Given the fact that Iran will get their nukes, I'm betting that the Palestinians get their wish.

At which point the question of whether the Palestinians get their own state will become very moot.

Posted by: Cheting Snore2618 || 12/17/2011 15:10 Comments || Top||

One could reasonably argue that there is Palestinian people but can you seriously believe that they will give up their goal of exterminating Israel?


I agree with you, but I'm pointing out that if the Paleos want peace and a country, they have to change their ways.

But yes, I agree, they won't, not until something terrible happens in the Middle East. At which point having a country there may not be such a good thing.
Posted by: Steve White || 12/17/2011 16:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Carthaginians* couldn't be reached for comment.

*who were originally a Phoenician colony till the old homestead was 'annexed' by Persia.
Posted by: P2Kontheroad || 12/17/2011 17:35 Comments || Top||

#6  There are Palestinians like there are New Englanders.
Posted by: Mikey Hunt || 12/17/2011 19:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Intehwesting.

* Muhammed was a frustrated or failed non-Jewish/Hebrew = Arab Judaic wannabe + reformer rejected by the Jews whom in his angst dev his own new version of Judaism/Hebraism called ISLAM???

* Despite being a Holy City, JERUSALEM was routinely ignored by any + all Camps save when POTENT, COMPETING GEOPOLITICAL FORCES OR IDEOS CAME HEAD-TO-HEAD IN ITS REGION???

IMO the Artic + Newt's assertions supports the belief of many Regional Muslims that the Paleos are merely ISLAMIZED JEWS/HEBREWS + ALIGNED.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/17/2011 21:33 Comments || Top||

#8  Prior to the 1967 War all the residents of the West Bank were what? Oh yes, Jordanians. Israel was going to demand that it keep Jerusalem in the ceasefire negotiations with Jordan. Jordan said no, keep the lot, all of the West Bank including Jerusalem AND keep all of the people too. Jordan then withdrew citizenship from all of the West Bank residents so that they could not return to Jordan. What did that leave the nomenclature of the residents? Eventually they started calling themselves Palestinians instead of "the most despicable people on Earth that nobody wants"
Posted by: tipper || 12/17/2011 22:23 Comments || Top||

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Sat 2011-12-17
  Australian terror conspirators jailed for 18 years
Fri 2011-12-16
  Syrian Dissidents Declare Creation of 'National Alliance'
Thu 2011-12-15
  U.S. War in Iraq Declared Officially Over
Wed 2011-12-14
  33 Civilians, 7 Regime Troops Killed
Tue 2011-12-13
  Mexican Army bags 11 bad guys in Tamaulipas state
Mon 2011-12-12
  Mysterious explosion kills 7, injures 16 in Iran
Sun 2011-12-11
  Syrian Opposition Reports Deputy Defense Minister Killed
Sat 2011-12-10
  Rival Yemeni forces said to quit streets of Taiz city
Fri 2011-12-09
  Twenty trucks torched in attack at Nato terminal in Quetta
Thu 2011-12-08
  Yemen's unity government announced
Wed 2011-12-07
  New coalition government formed in Yemen
Tue 2011-12-06
  Afghanistan: Kabul shrine attacks 'kills 34'
Mon 2011-12-05
  France Reduces Tehran Embassy Staff after Attack on British Mission
Sun 2011-12-04
  Iran police arrest 12 over embassy rally
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