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2023-09-26 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
When does Putin attack NATO? Americans need escalation
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.
by Victoria Nikiforova

[RIA] Why Putin has not yet attacked NATO and when will Russia escalate the Ukrainian conflict - this is the question asked by the authors of a new report by the RAND Corporation , a leading US military think tank. There is some disappointment in their tone. The fact is that over the past year and a half, RAND specialists have been building various “escalation ladders” for us. It was assumed that Russia would either use tactical nuclear weapons or attack American military bases in Europe . In response to the alleged blow, options for retaliation and punishment for Russia were voluptuously developed.


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However, none of these scenarios worked out. In the first lines of their report, the RAND authors reluctantly admit the mistakes of the US analytical community: “The predictions of American experts about the escalation of the conflict by Russia turned out to be inaccurate, because, firstly, there is no understanding of how strategic decisions are made in Russia, and secondly, it is significantly underestimated Russia's risk tolerance."

Nevertheless, experts continue to ride the rake: the US establishment is offered another ladder of escalation. This time it is recognized that not only Russia, but also Ukraine can escalate.

Escalation risks are divided into intentional, unintentional and accidental. Such options are considered unintentional. For example, the Russian Armed Forces strike the territory of Ukraine, and there the official representatives of a NATO member state come under attack. The country's leadership demands that Article 5 be invoked. Russia, to prevent a concerted NATO attack, attacks first. The Alliance and Russia are entering into open military confrontation.

Or the Russian Aerospace Forces are “maneuvering dangerously” in the Black Sea, which leads to the death of American pilots piloting a reconnaissance aircraft. The American leadership responds with orders to shoot down a Russian plane or strike a Russian naval base. Moscow strikes in retaliation.

Another option: Russia “misunderstands NATO’s activities” by regarding the supply of long-range missiles or discussions of Ukraine’s membership in NATO as an intervention by the alliance. Then Moscow launches a warning strike against NATO countries. Which, in turn, leads to a fork in the road: such a strike can lead to successful containment of the alliance, or it can “anger” it and force it to take measures to “punish” Russia.

RAND rates the risk of inadvertent escalation as medium. Experts consider deliberate escalation more likely. Ukraine, in the face of defeat, may intensify its attacks on Russian territory - this is how terrorist attacks on non-combatants, sabotage and launches of drones filled with explosives are politely defined.

Russia has a wider range of potential actions. Moscow can increase the intensity of shelling of Ukrainian territory, use nuclear weapons there (we have been hearing this since last year) and use chemical weapons (but this is something new).

Here you need to understand that the Americans constantly pass off their own events as “escalation” on the part of Russia. For example, they blew up the Nord Stream , but it is presented in such a way that Moscow, for the purpose of escalation, stopped gas supplies to Europe.

We saw the same thing with nuclear weapons. The Zelensky regime assembled a “dirty bomb” on its knees and fired at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant , while the Americans, meanwhile, frightened the whole world that Moscow was about to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

The same scheme is possible with chemical weapons: the Americans will bring something from their uncontrolled reserves to Ukraine, and the Kiev regime will use it against its citizens without hesitation. It's simple with this one.

Moscow may also carry out a “limited attack” on NATO forces on the territory of the alliance in order to stop or reduce the supply of Western weapons to Ukraine. The United States also considers underground nuclear tests that Russia may conduct as a deliberate escalation.

The most interesting option for escalation is the creation of some kind of crisis outside of Ukraine, which will force Washington to be distracted from helping Kiev . It’s funny that anything at all falls into this category: even the situation in Syria , even the relations between China and Taiwan , even the internal unrest in the United States itself. Washington is trying to simultaneously manage so many crises that it obviously does not have enough resources.

This is a bad signal for Ukraine. If they wish, the Americans will find the “hand of Moscow” in any aggravation on the world stage and will be able to quickly merge Kyiv into this matter.

RAND experts give a very unconvincing answer to the question of why Moscow needs to sharply raise rates now. Combat losses are for the Ukrainians, territorial losses too. There are no catastrophic defeats and they are not expected. The internal turbulence on which the West placed so much hope never materialized. Russia is not going to lose and fall apart. Why do we need escalation?

“The Kremlin’s control over the country is becoming increasingly fragile, which could force Putin to look for opportunities to quickly end the war,” RAND analysts fantasize. Oh really? It seems that experts are simply projecting US internal problems onto us. The White House's control over the country is indeed becoming more fragile as Trump rises to power. The final blow to Biden and the ruling Democratic Party could come precisely from a loss in Ukraine.

More recently, the same RAND convincingly described all the risks of prolonging the Ukrainian conflict and gave advice to Washington “how to avoid a long war.” The United States is afraid of a second Afghanistan : the longer the Ukrainian case drags on, the more shameful defeat it can bring for the United States. Hence all these dreams that Moscow will now escalate and then it will finally be possible to “punish” it. A military confrontation with NATO, according to American strategists, will frighten the people of Russia, and this will open up opportunities for internal turbulence and a change of power in the Kremlin.

That is, it is the American authorities who urgently need escalation in Ukraine. Otherwise, they will have turbulence and regime changes there.

Therefore, we must expect new provocations from them - they will be presented as escalation on the part of Moscow. And Russia’s reluctance to climb this ladder will be dispersed in the information field with shrieks about “where are your red lines?” Well, we’ve already been through this and done it successfully.

The main conclusion from the RAND report: our strategic adversaries are absolutely unable to predict Russia’s actions, as they themselves admit. The guys were completely lost in the fog of war, good luck to them.

Posted by badanov 2023-09-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [52 views ]  Top

#1 When does Putin attack NATO? Americans need escalation

...One could reasonably suggest that it's because he's crazy but not stupid. IMHO, he knows his own limitations better than we think he does, and as long as he just goes medieval on Ukraine the rest of the world will tut-tut about it, but no Alliance rounds will fall on the soil of the Rodina.

Now, if we get a Black Swan - an idiot pilot who decides to shoot down a recon plane in international airspace, or a sudden collapse of the Russian lines, especially in the Crimea - all bets may be off.

Mike
Posted by MikeKozlowski 2023-09-26 08:10||   2023-09-26 08:10|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought Russians ARE fighting NATO - the Russian way, on their own land. And beating the $hit out of it.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-26 10:11||   2023-09-26 10:11|| Front Page Top

#3 ^^German weapons sent to Ukraine non-functional – FM
Cracks in NATO unity?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-26 10:22||   2023-09-26 10:22|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-26 10:48||   2023-09-26 10:48|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-09-26 10:57||   2023-09-26 10:57|| Front Page Top

#6 This debt will be handled clandestinely, I would believe. As the West telegraphed their hope, it was all but obvious their intentions to passively aggressively escalate things until russian retaliation so the west could intervene/attack with voter approval.
Posted by mossomo 2023-09-26 15:07||   2023-09-26 15:07|| Front Page Top

#7 A year or more of Putin threatening to nuke NATO countries has so far fallen on deaf ears. Perhaps he needs to actually make it happen in order to get their attention.
Posted by jpal 2023-09-26 16:00||   2023-09-26 16:00|| Front Page Top

#8 I thought Russians ARE fighting NATO - the Russian way, on their own land. And beating the $hit out of it.

Put down the crack pipe dude. If NATO, especially the US decided to throw down the Russian military would be completely broken in a month. That would mean nukes as that would be the last line of defense Russia had, so NATO keeps sending weapons (that work well against crap Soviet equipment btw) to Ukraine and let them bleed the bear out.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-26 16:53||   2023-09-26 16:53|| Front Page Top

#9 Put down the crack pipe dude. If NATO, especially the US decided to throw down the Russian military would be completely broken in a month. That would mean nukes as that would be the last line of defense Russia had, so NATO keeps sending weapons (that work well against crap Soviet equipment btw) to Ukraine and let them bleed the bear out

Expensive advanced weaponry look good and work well, but they will not defeat the Russians. Bleeding them dry won't work, coz they are up against a wall, in their estimation. When every tank is destroyed and every rifle is confiscated, they will keep coming.

If you want to really defeat the Russians you must fight them the way they want to fight you, the way they are fighting the Ukrainians and their Nazi curators: in a close quarters knife fight -- in an environment of spinning knives, as I call it.

I doubt our vaunted military could sustain these same levels of casualties and, at the same time, sustain support for the war from the electorate, stuffing ballot boxes notwithstanding.

Can't spin a war with Russia as a positive when all you had to do was to sit down with the Russians and talk it out.

If you really want to defeat the Russians, best sit down at the negotiating table and give them the modest things they have always wanted.

BTW: they will win the peace. They always have.

Posted by badanov 2023-09-26 17:31||   2023-09-26 17:31|| Front Page Top

#10 Which is why the analysts counting victory in square kilometers have it wrong. It's measured in dead Russians, and there will have to be lots more before they can decide to end the war by leaving Ukraine. Give the Ukes the tools to do it and we won't be worrying about Russia for a generation.
Posted by Nero 2023-09-26 18:38||   2023-09-26 18:38|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't think Putin can back down from the "Special Military Operation" at this point without sustaining a lead lobotomy
Posted by Frank G 2023-09-26 18:40||   2023-09-26 18:40|| Front Page Top

#12 When every tank is destroyed and every rifle is confiscated, they will keep coming.

Not exactly true. When faced with invasion, yes they will bleed the country white. But, outside their borders they need to lose around 500k to finally throw in the towel and lose the war. And no, they haven't always won the peace. They have been forced into humiliating treaties after a beating. But, they will come at you again in 10-15 years after they rebuild.

Also the Russians never wanted to talk it out. They never do. They will say one thing and get you focused on that while they kick in your front door. Also kinda their playbook. Shit just look at the 2000s and their behavior. Putie-pie played rope-a-dope with 3 of our presidents and did it well. Now he overplayed his hand.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-09-26 19:07||   2023-09-26 19:07|| Front Page Top

#13 But, they will come at you again in 10-15 years after they rebuild.

Treaties typically last only about ten years; that's a lesson the Russians seem yo have forgotten.
Posted by badanov 2023-09-26 19:17||   2023-09-26 19:17|| Front Page Top

#14 I don't think Putin can back down from the "Special Military Operation" at this point without sustaining a lead lobotomy

Putin cannot back down because this is an existential matter for the Russians. And I doubt that he wants to, despite what we read in the Daily Mail. If NATO were to jump in tomorrow, the Russians are in a better defensive position now than they were before the fighting started. Geography matters.

If you are looking to defend Russia against an invasion from the West, there are two good places to do it in Ukraine - either the narrow part in the west by the Polish border or along the Dnipro river. Everywhere else, the terrain is essentially flat and open, perfect for one of those huge set-piece combined arms battles NATO always planned for. So who's up for a Thunder Run to Moscow? Remember the Russians have historical data on this exact scenario from back when Volgograd was Stalingrad. That makes them twitchy about hostile forces in Ukraine.

(victory) is measured in dead Russians

Back when the SMO started, somebody accurately snarked that this was a Big Soviet Army fighting a Smaller Soviet Army.
(spoiler alert: Big Army wins)
You can look at war as a resource management game. You have some amount of troops, territory, and time. You can trade one for another, but if you run out of any of them, you are boned. Russia has 3 times the population and 10 times the GDP. We can give Ukraine stuff but eventually they will run out of people. Does NATO jump in at that point? If so, we're right back to the topic of defending against hostile forces coming from the west.
Posted by SteveS 2023-09-26 20:50||   2023-09-26 20:50|| Front Page Top

#15 Empty threats from a barbarous dying people. Sooner they go back home the sooner they can have the civil war to sort themselves out. Stay in Ukraine and the young and middle generation will be killed off, leaving the Russian core vulnerable to be overwhelmed by the oppressed ethnic periphery as well a certain rising power.

The west is finished with Russians for at least a generation. They will be as welcome as the defunct Soviet Union and left to rot as the west moves on.
Posted by Enver Slager8035  2023-09-26 21:00||   2023-09-26 21:00|| Front Page Top

#16 If NATO were to jump in tomorrow, the Russians are in a better defensive position now than they were before the fighting started. Geography matters.

NATO is now united and surrounds St Petersburg on both sides as well as doubling the front line. That is without Ukraine. Genius! In addition, in any conflict now NATO frontlines, instead of in Poland, will be less than 600km from Moscow through very tank and CAS friendly terrain. Putin Level Genius!!
Posted by Enver Slager8035  2023-09-26 21:09||   2023-09-26 21:09|| Front Page Top

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