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2022-01-01 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Russia will sever relations with the United States
Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited.

Text by Russian federation ambassador Anatoly Antonov:
[ColonelCassad] On the results of the telephone conversations between Putin and Biden, held at Putin's initiative on the situation in Ukraine and the threat of war.

The main thing following the talks between Putin and Biden, according to Russian Ambassador to the United States Anatoly Antonov:

The situation in the RF-NATO relations is extremely dangerous, no one should have any doubts about the determination of the Russian Federation to defend its security.

Russian draft agreements on security guarantees do not infringe on the security of the United States and NATO

For the Russian Federation, the military development of Ukraine by NATO member states is an existential threat.

The main thing from the telephone conversation between Putin and Biden, according to the Kremlin press service:

Biden clearly stated that the United States does not intend to deploy offensive strike weapons in Ukraine;

Putin told Biden that Russia would behave the way the United States would behave in matters of its security;

Biden warned about sanctions, Putin replied that in this case, a break in relations could follow;

Biden stressed on several occasions the inadmissibility of starting a nuclear war;

The leaders agreed to continue the dialogue after the New Year.

The main version of the press service of the White House:

Biden urged to reduce tensions over Ukraine.

US will continue to monitor Russian forces and preparing for "any Putin's decision on Ukraine."

Biden said the US will negotiate with allies and partners, Putin expressed understanding.

Biden said about strengthening NATO forces and additional assistance to Ukraine in case of escalation.

Commentary by Russian military journalist Boris Rozhin:
In fact, in the absence of framework agreements, which the Russian Federation insists on, such negotiations are constantly accompanied by an exchange of threats, which they no longer hide.

The severance of diplomatic relations is the penultimate step on the escalation path, then the war, in one form or another, is not necessarily direct. Discussion of the inadmissibility of a nuclear war is an eloquent marker showing how degraded the situation in relations between the United States and the Russian Federation is, approaching the level of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the crisis of 1983.
Posted by badanov 2022-01-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11 views ]  Top

#1 Consider the Soviets adding Mexico to the Warsaw Pact and stationing troops there.
Posted by Sheter the Lesser9291 2022-01-01 08:22||   2022-01-01 08:22|| Front Page Top

#2 If it can be Trump's fault, US media and dems (Yeah, I know) are all in...
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-01 08:31||   2022-01-01 08:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Sheter__ Canada is closer to the Russian model these days....
Posted by Mercutio 2022-01-01 09:34||   2022-01-01 09:34|| Front Page Top

#4 Oct 18, 2021. Russia says it will suspend the operations of its mission at NATO headquarters in Brussels in response to the Western security alliance's move to expel eight members of Russia's mission earlier this month. In a move marking another blow to East-West ties that are already near Cold War lows, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on October 18 that operations will be suspended as of November 1, and that those at the NATO military mission in Moscow will have their accreditation stripped the same day.
Posted by Bertie Crains2651 2022-01-01 09:45||   2022-01-01 09:45|| Front Page Top

#5 Putin is "stewing in his own juices" over Biden not engaging with him after his threats manipulating internal public opinion. The U.S. should continue to stand firm with NATO and the EU, walking softly and carrying it's big stick! Putin knows the U.S. doesn't have 175,000 troops massed on Mexico's border, and should he try to 'tit for tat' by wanting to put missiles in Central America, the U.S. strategy of applying Murphy's golden rule "whoever has the gold, makes the rules" would be used!
Posted by Bertie Spawn of the Trolls9333 2022-01-01 09:53||   2022-01-01 09:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Sir Thomas More, at his trial, to Richard Rich: "Why Richard, it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. . . but for Wales!" - Robert Bolt's play

Substitute Ukraine for Wales in More's formulation. Ukraine: A Shithole's shithole.

Also 8,000 miles from our shores. Nearly surrounded by Russia and the heart of Ancient Rus. Is Ukraine really worth pushing us to the brink of nuclear war?

Is it worth it?
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-01 10:53||   2022-01-01 10:53|| Front Page Top

#7 not even close
Posted by 746 2022-01-01 11:16||   2022-01-01 11:16|| Front Page Top

#8 So Biden wants to defend Ukraines border. How about Texas? His only interest in Ukraine is that it is his sons source of revenue.
Posted by irish rage boy  2022-01-01 12:17||   2022-01-01 12:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Those who paid Hunter in Ukraine were from the Putin faction. An even larger payoff came from the may of Moscow's wife.
Posted by Harcourt Clavimp1202 2022-01-01 12:33||   2022-01-01 12:33|| Front Page Top

#10 mayor of Moscow's
Posted by Harcourt Clavimp1202 2022-01-01 12:36||   2022-01-01 12:36|| Front Page Top

#11 The shame of it is we are driving Putin into the arms of Xi Jinping when he should be our ally. Yes, he's a ruthless and ambitious dictator but we need all the friends we can get to counter Xi. We certainly don't need the two of them allied against us.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-01-01 14:01||   2022-01-01 14:01|| Front Page Top

#12 1980s:
- USSR has Warsaw Pact nations in its orbit
- US plays China card v USSR, which collapses

2020's:
- USSA has the ex-Warsaw Pact nations in its orbit
- Russia plays China card v USSA, which is beginning to collapse

Heckuva job, Brandon

We Are Ruled By Traitorous Morons
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-01 14:17||   2022-01-01 14:17|| Front Page Top

#13 the shame of it is we are driving Putin into the arms of Xi Jinping when he should be our ally.

But... Putin's corrupt -- unlike the Bidens, or the $150 million Clintons, or the $140 million Obamas, or $100 million Al Gore, or Nancy Pelosi the She-Wolf of Wall Street

But... Putin suppresses the media -- unlike the Democrats and their house organs' suppression of massive documented prima facie evidence of Biden's influence-peddling and corruption

But... Putin's unkind to Alphabet people and he's a white Christian leader of a white Christian nation! True dat. Clearly a Notsie Whi' S'premaciss. You win.
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-01 14:27||   2022-01-01 14:27|| Front Page Top

#14 But gig
Posted by M. Murcek 2022-01-01 14:33||   2022-01-01 14:33|| Front Page Top

#15 Putin is a thug, a gangster, and deserved to be imprisoned for his time in the KGB. He wants peace, then he shouldn't start wars.

He doesn't want peace. He wants to act like Russia is a world power, not a regional bully.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-01-01 15:53||   2022-01-01 15:53|| Front Page Top

#16 he's a ruthless and ambitious dictator but we need all the friends we can get to counter Xi. We certainly don't need the two of them allied against us.

When our leaders were rational, back in the era beginning with Eisenhower and ending roughly when Kissinger stepped down as NSA, we were allied with dictators all over the planet. Franco. Salazar. Pinochet. Greek generals... on and on.

And then Nixon and Kissinger opened up to the biggest thug of all, Mao Tse-Tung.

Is Putin a bigger thug than the greatest butcher of the 20th century? Is Russia the greater threat today -- the one that requires us to make common cause with China ... oh wait: Russia and China are now aligned against us.

We Were Once Led By Intelligent Men.
And Are Now Ruled By F--king Morons.
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-01 16:05||   2022-01-01 16:05|| Front Page Top

#17 I would be open to befriending Russia in order to stop China, if Russia, in its previous form as the Soviet Union, hadn’t befriended China first. And they still quietly support each other, while Russia looks at us as their hereditary enemy and competitor for world hegemon, while China looks at us as their slow-motion conquest — continuing the thirty year effort to weaken us economically and by corrupting our ruling class, while they work up to their quick, kinetic war in a decade or so.

So it doesn’t matter that we and Russia as Europe-derived Christian countries ought to be natural allies. It won’t happen because Russia cannot see us that way, but only as either a rival either beating them or neutralized.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-01-01 17:41||   2022-01-01 17:41|| Front Page Top

#18 The Soviet Union has been developing the concept of machine-artillery divisions for its southeastern border with China since the 1920s.

Reading into the source material at the time (this was back in 1989) even back then the Russian worry in the east was with China and her huge population.

My personal theory: Russia doesn't want to be seen as cozying up with or even making deals with NATO mainly because of how Xi would react.

China has been transforming its ground forces into mobile armor units, the same way the Soviets did after 1945. A punitive operation from China in reaction to any favorable deal from the west would tie up Russian forces from all over. In order to protect his southeastern flank, I think Volodya would strip his western defenses bare (except for the Western Military District -- his capital, and his Air Defense network) to deal with China.

Also, one other thing: The thing that drove the 1917 October Revolution and afterwards was the population in the east, not the Bolshevik crazies in Petrograd or Moskva. Those ideologues in the east could easily convert to the Chinese communist governing model with little effort.

Just my two kopeks.
Posted by badanov 2022-01-01 18:23||   2022-01-01 18:23|| Front Page Top

#19 /\ Fascinating analysis. Thank you, again and again !
Posted by Besoeker 2022-01-01 22:10||   2022-01-01 22:10|| Front Page Top

#20 In order to protect his southeastern flank, I think Volodya would strip his western defenses bare (except for the Western Military District -- his capital, and his Air Defense network) to deal with China.


OK, so the obvious calculation -- obvious to Nixon & Kissinger & any realist who understands the lay of the chessboard -- is for
1) the US to relieve pressure (from NATO) on Russia from the West , to enable
2) Russia to shore up its defenses against Chinese invasion-by-osmosis over the Amur River in Eastern Siberia, which forces
3) China to rethink its policies that are creating a Ring of Containment against China by (moving clockwise) Russia, Japan, Australia, and India

Casey Stengel, 1962: "Can anyone here play this game?"
Posted by Merrick Ferret 2022-01-01 22:27||   2022-01-01 22:27|| Front Page Top

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