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2009-10-31 Home Front: Politix
Meeting with Joint Chiefs: Obama Still Can't Make a Decision
President looks to send fewer additional troops

President Obama has asked the Pentagon's top generals to provide him with more options for troop levels in Afghanistan, two U.S. officials said late Friday, with one adding that some of the alternatives would allow Obama to send fewer new troops than the roughly 40,000 requested by his top commander.

Obama met with the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the White House on Friday, holding a 90-minute discussion that centered on the strain on the force after eight years of war in two countries. The meeting -- the first of its kind with the chiefs of the Navy, Army, Marine Corps and Air Force, who were not part of the president's war council meetings on Afghanistan in recent weeks -- prompted Obama to request another such meeting before he announces a decision on sending additional troops, the officials said.
This just blows my mind. The man takes over as president of country with two war fronts, gets summary evaluations from the out-going president, and is only NOW meeting with his Joint Chiefs of Staff? And sets up another meeting at an undetermined time, cause, see, he doesn't have much time between his Wednesday night White House parties, his weekend golfing outing (understand he is terrible), and his traveling around the world to view his worldly kingdom, thinking his presence alone solves all problems.
The military chiefs have been largely supportive of a resource request by Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, that would by one Pentagon estimate require the deployment of 44,000 additional troops. But opinion among members of Obama's national security team is divided, and he now appears to be seeking a compromise solution that would satisfy both his military and civilian advisers.
I call this "voting presence." His "reasoning" for voting present so often was that that vote wasn't the final vote on the bill, he oppose something in the bill. "Phew," I say
Obama is expected to receive several options from the Pentagon about troop levels next week, according to the two officials, who discussed the deliberations on the condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak publicly.

Before he can determine troop levels, his advisers have said, he must decide whether to embrace a strategy focused heavily on counterinsurgency, which would require additional forces to protect population centers, or one that makes counterterrorism the main focus of U.S. efforts in the country, which would rely on relatively fewer American troops.

One option under review involves a blend of the two approaches, featuring an emphasis on counterterrorism in the north and some parts of western Afghanistan as well as an expanded counterinsurgency effort in the south and east, one of the officials said. Obama has also asked for a province-by-province review of the country to determine which areas can by managed effectively by local leaders.

The president appears committed to adding at least 10,000 to 15,000 troops in Afghanistan in an effort to bolster the training of Afghan army and police officers in the country. Current plans call for the United States to double the size of the Afghan army and police forces to about 400,000 in the hope that they can take over security responsibilities.

In meeting with the military chiefs, Obama heard their assessment of the how prepared the services are to handle a new commitment. "Each chief discussed the state of their own service, how they are doing today and what the long-term consequences will be for each of their services," an administration official said. The military advisers also put the troop deployments in the context of the rest of their global deployments, including in Iraq.

It was not a "recommendations meeting," with concrete options of how to proceed, the official said. That will presumably come in the next such meeting, which has not been scheduled.
You have a meeting that the determination is to have another meeting and not set a date and time for that meeting? He doesn't even know how to be a good bureaucrat! That's what meetings are about. a meeting about a meeting, about a meeting.
The timing of Obama's decision on Afghanistan remains up in the air. But his request for another meeting with the military chiefs -- and the expectation that he will meet again with his top national security advisers before reaching a conclusion -- may leave him too little time to decide the issue before he travels to Asia on Nov. 11. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton plans to be overseas for much of that time, except for a brief stint at home from Wednesday to Friday. , giving Obama little opportunity to convene his war council in person. It appears increasingly likely that Obama will not announce his new Afghanistan strategy until after returning to the United States on Nov. 20.
Will he or won't he, since in the neighorhood, drop in for Turkey Day treats with the troops in Afghan?
Obama has come under criticism from Republicans, notably former vice president Richard B. Cheney, for deliberating so long, but his advisers have said he is determined to get the decision right rather than satisfy his critics.
Notice, this writer chose to NOT use Cheney's word dithering. Others have, however. I've noticed, an unusual amount of the number of times dithering is now being used after Cheney's remark! Has become the word of the day! Google dithering Cheney and you get 577,000 hits.
In contrast to Iraq, where there was significant dissension on whether to deploy an additional 30,000 troops in 2007, the top brass has been mostly united in the support of McChrystal's call for more troops in Afghanistan.
And The One still votes Present. Oh, the color of that Present button in the Illinois State House? It's yellow.
Both Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in the Middle East, have told the administration that they agree with McChrystal's dire assessment of the security situation and his call for more forces to wrest the initiative back from the Taliban.

The service chiefs have not publicly voiced either support or opposition. Gen. James T. Conway, the Marine Corps chief, had campaigned hard this year for the Marines to play a much larger role in the country. In internal meetings, Army chief Gen. George W. Casey Jr. has raised concerns about "dwell time" -- the periods that troops have at home between deployments.

The Army is particularly concerned that soldiers who spend less than 18 months at home between combat tours do not have enough time to train for high-intensity tank warfare.

A U.S.-Iraq security pact requires the United States to withdraw its forces from Iraq by the end of 2011, which would reduce some of the strain on the American military. But bombings this week in Baghdad, which killed more than 155 Iraqis, raise questions about whether Iraq is stable enough to allow for an accelerated drawdown in advance of that deadline, as some military officials had hoped.
Pray for our guys and gals, send letters, cards, get in touch with some organization to help. Our troops need to know now, more than ever, that we support them and their mission, because they aren't getting it from their CIC. Wonder if he will dare to show up for the Army-Navy game? Probably. His ego is too big to pass up such a photo-op.
Posted by Sherry 2009-10-31 14:25|| || Front Page|| [7 views ]  Top

#1 Obama continues to trash his credibility with, well just about everyone, friend or foe. Surely he knows the damage he is doing to himself - never mind the troops as it's painfully clear that is image is more important. What is it that he is so terribly afraid of that he is avoiding?
Posted by Richard of Oregon 2009-10-31 15:26||   2009-10-31 15:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Wonder if he will dare to show up for the Army-Navy game?

Go NAVY!
Beat INDECISION!
Posted by SteveS 2009-10-31 15:31||   2009-10-31 15:31|| Front Page Top

#3 Or "Obama still can't make his decision public".
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-10-31 15:37||   2009-10-31 15:37|| Front Page Top

#4 But opinion among members of Obama's national security team is divided, and he now appears to be seeking a compromise solution that would satisfy both his military and civilian advisers.

$$*$&#*#&@!!....How about making a 'decision' based on the IMPERITIVES OF SUCCESS!!! The poor helpless, communist bugger isn't worth 2 cents.
Posted by Besoeker  2009-10-31 15:45||   2009-10-31 15:45|| Front Page Top

#5 ...Ladies and gentlemen, he doesn't WANT to make a decision. Nobel Peace Prize winners don't prosecute a war. Presidents who want to remake a nation in their image don't want to be trapped in tough, difficult war overseas - that's what happened to LBJ, ya know.

The only thing President Obama wants to do is snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2009-10-31 15:59||   2009-10-31 15:59|| Front Page Top

#6 He's not making his decision about anything else than how he can appear to come out of it ahead. Right now neither option let's him do that, so he's letting the clock tick. Never forget, its about him.
Posted by Procopius2k 2009-10-31 16:01||   2009-10-31 16:01|| Front Page Top

#7 he's trying to kick the can past the Nov 3rd votes
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2009-10-31 16:05||   2009-10-31 16:05|| Front Page Top

#8 Thanks Mike and Pk2. I lost my head there for a moment and thought Barry might be thinking about the lives of soldiers and the mission. Not sure what came over me.
Posted by Besoeker  2009-10-31 16:06||   2009-10-31 16:06|| Front Page Top

#9 Iraq is done. Afghanistan is a mess, and there's probably not a damn thing that could change that. Since McCrystal is going for "the British technique", of pulling back into the cities, "winning" is no longer an issue. There is nothing, and no way, to win.

The mission from now on is to keep anyone else from filling the national power vacuum, to use Afghanistan as a base. If the bad guys start getting legs in the countryside, send out an attack to wipe out a bunch of them, and any locals who let them hang out.

In other words, stalemate with minimal loss of NATO life.

The secondary mission will probably involve using biological weapons against the opium crop, since chemical herbicides are a no-go for many reasons. But some opium poppy disease that wipes out poppies in Afghanistan will solve that nuisance.

So make a contract with Monsanto, then spray the crap from the air with drone crop dusters. They can grow any other plant but poppies.

It's not a win, but Afghanistan is neutralized.
Posted by  Anonymoose 2009-10-31 19:35||   2009-10-31 19:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Nobel Peace Prize winners don't prosecute a war.

That why he was awarded the prize. Those Norwegian socia1ists knew what they were doing.
Posted by Steve White 2009-10-31 19:41||   2009-10-31 19:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Nobel Peace Prize winners don't prosecute a war.

Didn't stop Arafish. But I guess it doesn't count if its against Jews.....
Posted by CrazyFool 2009-10-31 19:43||   2009-10-31 19:43|| Front Page Top

#12 1176 Days, 16 Hours, 19 Minutes, 12 Seconds.
Posted by Woozle Uneter9007 2009-10-31 20:41||   2009-10-31 20:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Wonder if he will dare to show up for the Army-Navy game?

I'd worry about the Notre Dame-Navy game next week...
Posted by badanov 2009-10-31 22:06|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org]  2009-10-31 22:06|| Front Page Top

#14 Not a chance. Too many Republicans and veterans attending. He's overdue for a warm, sunny vacation in the Islands.
Posted by Besoeker  2009-10-31 22:13||   2009-10-31 22:13|| Front Page Top

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