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2008-02-16 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Interesting Times: The Islamist bubble
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Posted by Fred 2008-02-16 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [774 views ]  Top
 File under: Global Jihad 

#1 Yeah, I'm sure that the Isrealis will fight to the last drop of American blood.
Posted by gromky 2008-02-16 00:40||   2008-02-16 00:40|| Front Page Top

#2 Good read. "For GENERATIONS" > PRAGMATICALLY, the GLOBAL AGENDA = OWG JIHADIST-ISLAMIST STATE ambition of Radical Islam can't wait that long as per DUBYA/US REGIONAL-GLOBAL ENTRENCHMENT.

D *** NG IT, forgot the source but IIRC IT WAS RECENT NET ARTICLE > HOW US POWER IS SO GREAT UNDER CERTRAIN CIRCUMSTANCES IT HAS TO BE RESTRAINED, AND NOT ALLOWED TO BE FULLY RELEASED = EXERCISED???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-02-16 01:27||   2008-02-16 01:27|| Front Page Top

#3 Gromky ... if you are going to cast aspersions, it pays to learn to spell.
Posted by doc 2008-02-16 07:42||   2008-02-16 07:42|| Front Page Top

#4 The author makes a basic error. Democracy, unlike socialism or communism, doesn't win because it is forced on people. It wins because the *logic* of democracy sells itself, even to the most primitive illiterate peasant.

Not only is democracy more efficient than any other system, which is obvious, it just makes common sense. It is "the better way", of doing much of everything.

Importantly, this *used* to be the big selling point of Islam, that it was, truthfully, a "better way" than anything else that existed in the 7th Century, be it tribalism, feudalism, or having a multitude of gods. At the time, it not only ran circles around, and superseded the pagan religions, but also did so with what passed for government.

And to this day, that is why Islam has had such staying power. Not because it is a religion, but because they have hypnotized themselves into thinking that because it *was* a better way, it must *still be* a better way.

You see this refrain used frequently by Islamist apologists, that there *can be* no better system.

And the *obvious* nature of the superiority of democracy gives them ulcers, because any objective person sees the truth for what it is.

So what does this mean in the Middle East?

Democrats in the woodwork. From peasant to prince, secret democrats, those who are objective, compare and contrast democracy with both Sharia and their dictatorial government, and see that democracy is better. It is like a virus in how it spreads, and damn near impossible to eradicate.

Every country in the Middle East has been infected to some extent, and nobody can tell who the democrats are, and who are not. But the democrats work within the system to introduce democracy at every turn. And they infect others.

An excellent example is Saudi Arabia. A country, more than anything else, ultra conservative, in the most basic sense. They abhor and fear change.

Somehow a democrat convinced them to try a simple and totally controlled experiment in democracy, and they did, scared half out of their wits. A minor and unimportant local election, with security people everywhere in case it threatened a violent, national revolution.

The result? Boring. Only modest interest from the new voters, with mediocre turnout. No excitement, to suspense, no violence at all, no cheating, mostly indifference. Importantly, the election results showed that the public voted pretty much exactly the same way as the king, electing almost the same people as he had previously appointed. If anything, a *tad* more conservative than the king.

The government was thrilled. This democracy stuff worked great! Overnight, many leaders were turned into democrats. Still wanting to move in baby steps, mind you. But much less afraid.

And the idea of democracy spreads. It needs no coercion, no foreign army except to interfere with those that would violently prevent it. But in a time of peace, democracy eventually wins out, once the idea, the virus, circulates.

It is even infecting much of the Chinese countryside, picked up as an idea from TV game shows, of all things. It is hard for some local communist leader to just order the peasants around anymore, without someone chiming in: "Let's vote on it."

And there is no, zero logic that a communist can use to convince even peasants that it is better to just do what he says, just because. And though they fume and angrily curse the peasants for this, it just shows they are impotent.

And democracy spreads.
Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-16 10:03||   2008-02-16 10:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Yeah really,
I can think of no scarier place on this planet to be than in the middle of that den of vipers. God help us all if they get the nuke.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-02-16 10:14||   2008-02-16 10:14|| Front Page Top

#6 'moose, are you a professor, philosopher, oracle, rabble-rouser, or what?

Very well done. Clear, concise, and convincing, to this dreamer, anyway.
Posted by Bobby 2008-02-16 10:24||   2008-02-16 10:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Gromky,
you are truely mistaken.
In my active service days I fought in three different wars and served countless days in military reserve service. Not once during these days did I or anyone else around me ever want or expect American blood to be shed on our behalf.

What you fail to perceive is that a fanatic Moslem regime with nukes is a threat to the entire world (including other "saner" Moslem regimes- if you believe any exist).
The combination of Ahmadinajad + Nukes is almost like a combination of a wild baboon on heroin being given a machine-gun and being let loose in a crowded restaurant.
I think the USA should take very active measures including sheding blood if necessary to prevent this nightmare scenario from happening.
Not because of Israel ! I guarantee you that Israel will take the necessary steps in the face of and maybe despite the obvious American internal weakness and political incapacity to aggressively end this threat.
Except that when we go alone to fuck the Iranians, don't bitch if you get ricochetted in the process and if we do not stricktly adhere to preserving American interests in the region.

It is clear to me that Israeli (and probably American) blood is going to be shed in this crucial conflict and I think we prefer it to be shed in the minimal possible amount when we strike first than to have it shed involuntarily and in exponentially larger amounts when the Irani Nukes hit Tel- Aviv (and maybe NY and San Francisco ?....).
So don't be so cynical, and don't let roumors and little connivings and short sightedness fool you.

The Shiites and Ayatollahs are serious, dead seriouss in their attempts to gain strategic nuclear capabilities.
and they will if nobody stops them.
We (Israel) will stop them if we can.
If you cant or don't want to - please sit aside and STFU.

Respectfully Yours,
Elder of Zion.
(Oh, what a befitting nickname I chose without knowing how useful it will become)
Posted by Elder of Zion 2008-02-16 12:31||   2008-02-16 12:31|| Front Page Top

#8 No feeding the trolls, Elder
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-02-16 14:03||   2008-02-16 14:03|| Front Page Top

#9 Elder, I'd say Iran is more like a baboon in crystal meth...
Posted by Jomosing Bluetooth8431 2008-02-16 17:40||   2008-02-16 17:40|| Front Page Top

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