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2006-10-17 Britain
8 out of 10 mentally ill patients are heavy cannabis users
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Posted by tipper 2006-10-17 01:59|| || Front Page|| [12 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Psych problems and low sperm counts????
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-10-17 02:10||   2006-10-17 02:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Who ever said kids should smoke pot? Everyone is against that. They shouldn't drink martinis either. It's medicinal.

The rest of the article sounds more like political hype than anything else. People with depression might smoke pot to ease the symptoms. So the cause and effect may be reversed.
Posted by Vance Bedbug 2006-10-17 02:43||   2006-10-17 02:43|| Front Page Top

#3 Maybe the wait to buy pot is shorter than the wait to see someone in the NHS about mental problems.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-10-17 04:40||   2006-10-17 04:40|| Front Page Top

#4  Old cop joke:

What's the difference between a drunk and a pot-head?

If a drunk comes to a stop sign, he'll run it. If a pot-head comes to a stop sign, he sit there and wait for it to turn green.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2006-10-17 04:45||   2006-10-17 04:45|| Front Page Top

#5 I know of pot users who became paranoids. I bet 100% of dopers buy into 9-11 conspiracy theories.
Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-10-17 05:14||   2006-10-17 05:14|| Front Page Top

#6 

Posted by R Crumb 2006-10-17 05:20||   2006-10-17 05:20|| Front Page Top

#7 Causative agent, effect of mental illness or self-medication? Of course, the Daily Mail isn't quite The Lancet, but I'll bet if the police were to pick up pot heads and take them directly to the psychiatrist's office, soon enough the police would have time to track down the watched terrorists they keep losing track of.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-17 06:27||   2006-10-17 06:27|| Front Page Top

#8 I'm sceptical also. This is a figures lie and liars use figures article. What's cause, what's effect?
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-17 06:33||   2006-10-17 06:33|| Front Page Top

#9 It's their early milk use that started them down the ugly road to kookery.
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-17 07:33||   2006-10-17 07:33|| Front Page Top

#10 Stats rule 1.

Correlation is NOT Causation.

Self-medication is my bet.
Posted by Bright Pebbles in Blairistan 2006-10-17 07:33||   2006-10-17 07:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Some of each.

A lot of people with mental illness do self-medicate.

But ... there's a growing body of objective evidence that heavy cannabis use, as well as use of e.g. ecstasy, triggers mental illness in some.
Posted by Flilet Choluth2648 2006-10-17 07:47||   2006-10-17 07:47|| Front Page Top

#12 I'm betting a lot of both. Many stoners I know suffer from depression and other mental problems. Self medication leads them too it, the drug keeps them there and/or makes them worse.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2006-10-17 08:04||   2006-10-17 08:04|| Front Page Top

#13 but they won't have alzheimers
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-17 08:27||   2006-10-17 08:27|| Front Page Top

#14 I started to write a comment but I forget what it was. How depressing!
Posted by SteveS 2006-10-17 08:47||   2006-10-17 08:47|| Front Page Top

#15 But are they using JUST pot??

Many years ago I had to learn about drugs and there was a lot of PCP being pushed as THC.

PCP use can definitely cause mental illness and 30 years ago was a common follow on drug for pot heads. How do we know that these stoners haven't been using other stuff as well?
Posted by AlanC">AlanC  2006-10-17 09:07||   2006-10-17 09:07|| Front Page Top

#16 but they won't have alzheimers
Posted by Frank G

October 6, 2006
Marijuana Delays Alzheimer’s, Alters Cause of Symptoms
by Scott Ott

(2006-10-06) — A new study shows that the active ingredient in marijuana may preserve a crucial neurotransmitter, and so stave off the effects of Alzheimer’s disease, according to scientists at the VW Microbus Institute for Herbal Research.

Those afflicted with Alzheimer’s suffer from memory loss, impaired decision-making, and diminished language and movement skills.

The study showed that when an Alzheimer’s patient smokes pot, the active ingredient preserves the neurotransmitter and blocks clumps of protein that can inhibit memory and cognition.

“The dope smoking Alzheimer’s patient still suffers from memory loss, impaired decision-making, and diminished language and movement skills,” according to one unnamed scientist, “but it’s no longer a terrible disease that’s causing the symptoms, so you don’t have that stigma of being a victim.”
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-17 09:59||   2006-10-17 09:59|| Front Page Top

#17 LOL - but I was referring to a real study, not Scrappleface ©¿©
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-17 10:16||   2006-10-17 10:16|| Front Page Top

#18 It's a balancing act. You just need enough pot to ward off alzheimers, but not so much that you eat the whole cow.

Wow, like who's reading this, man ?
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-17 10:56||   2006-10-17 10:56|| Front Page Top

#19 snease, not all potheads are dumbasses.Also, may be 8 out of 10 ppl are just menatlly ill. Look at the muslims who aren't supposed too use drugs or alcohol hell they blow themselves up. But i guess i'm mentally ill right
Posted by sinse 2006-10-17 11:18||   2006-10-17 11:18|| Front Page Top

#20 I vote for "a little of both". I know too many people who were bright and happy and then after too much pot use became slow and basically what we think of when we think of a pot head.

Let's face it, people who smoke lots of pot have similar traits which causes me to believe that it is the pot.

For those of you pot smokers - everything in moderation - as they say.
Posted by anon 2006-10-17 11:40||   2006-10-17 11:40|| Front Page Top

#21 how many of you bitching about pot heads drink?
Posted by sinse 2006-10-17 12:51||   2006-10-17 12:51|| Front Page Top

#22 Just because mentally ill dudes like pot does not mean pot makes dudes mentally ill.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-10-17 13:24||   2006-10-17 13:24|| Front Page Top

#23  how many of you bitching about pot heads drink?

If pot and drinking were the same, which is your unstated assumption, then why can't all the pot users just get their fix buying beer at the local grocery? Why do they smoke pot instead, in fact running various legal risks (growing it or buying it from a dealer) and professional risks (many employers test for drugs) in order to do so?
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-10-17 13:48||   2006-10-17 13:48|| Front Page Top

#24 thisn storee fulla carp
Posted by muck4doo 2006-10-17 14:07||   2006-10-17 14:07|| Front Page Top

#25 DarthVader: I'm betting a lot of both. Many stoners I know suffer from depression and other mental problems. Self medication leads them too it, the drug keeps them there and/or makes them worse.

As a former chronic Chronic user, I'll attest to that. There's definitely a feedback mechanism in play - worse if you add in other hallucinogens.
Posted by xbalanke 2006-10-17 14:07||   2006-10-17 14:07|| Front Page Top

#26 ummmmmmm, Carp!
Posted by HalfEmpty 2006-10-17 14:16||   2006-10-17 14:16|| Front Page Top

#27 In other news, 8 out of 10 headache patients are heavy aspirin users.
Posted by Darrell 2006-10-17 14:17||   2006-10-17 14:17|| Front Page Top

#28 Interesting that there was no mention of what caused England to give up trying to stop marijuana.

A woman correspondent for The Times travelled to Amsterdam for a Cannibus Cup event. She suffered from Retinitis Pigmentosa, a cruel disease which had already left her mostly blind on a progression to full blindness.

However, when she sampled some "skunk weed", a variety of marijuana, suddenly she was able to clearly see in some detail again. In almost a panic, she made inquiries and discovered that that particular variety of marijuana was smoked by fishermen where it was grown, to greatly improve their night vision.

After testing it several more times to similar effect, she published her story in The Times, which was greeted with an almost hysterical response from the tens of thousands of Britains who suffered from RP.

This was the final straw to the anti-marijuana efforts in England. These RP sufferers are so desperate they were willing to emigrate to the Netherlands to preserve their vision as long as they could.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-17 14:30||   2006-10-17 14:30|| Front Page Top

#29 I don't care much for pot, cannabis, and so on, in good or bad, though my indulgence in it was one aggravating factor in screwing up my abortive college days (spent in an unending drunken/stoned stupor), but the criminal networks behind it are what bugs me, a lot. I mean, whenever someone light a joint in France, he's funding morocco, with all the Youths dealers in between him and the royal family/army brass.
Posted by  anonymous5089 2006-10-17 16:15||   2006-10-17 16:15|| Front Page Top

#30 sinse - whose bitching about pot users? I simply pointed out effects I noticed of those whom I have known who smoke large quantities? It's not like I'm the only one. Why do you think the parody of Cheech and Chong was so funny? If you smoke pot and are still a brain surgeon - good for you. Like I care.

I've also noticed that people who drink too much get big noses, cirhossis of the liver and shakey hands. Happy now?
Posted by anon 2006-10-17 16:47||   2006-10-17 16:47|| Front Page Top

#31 anon 5089, I agree.

Side stepping here a bit; knowing that the terrorists in Afghanistan are making money with the crap that's coming out of that country just kills me.

I'd like to think that alone would curtail any and all drug use of any kind.

I don't see them legalizing pot until they are able to test someone and know if they have used in the last few hours, rather than used in the last month. Also being a cash crop and taxed.

Posted by Jan 2006-10-17 16:58||   2006-10-17 16:58|| Front Page Top

#32 anon i wasn't actually hitting on just you bitching about pot but alot of ppl act like it is the worst thing ever too smoke a joint. IMO drinking is alot worse than smoking weed any day, although i have never noticed the big noses you speak of in alcoholics.Just because something is legal does not make it right ,hell prostitution is legal in nevada. I think the gov puts alot of emphasis on marijuana because it cannot be regulated and taxed as easily as alcohol can. i also think someone else made the point of buying their weed from a local grower that way you are not supporting terror or organized crime either.
Posted by sinse 2006-10-17 18:40||   2006-10-17 18:40|| Front Page Top

#33 FYI - prostitution is NOT legal in NV. Some counties allow it, some don't (expect the rural Cty outside a major Urban area to be the typical site)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-17 19:19||   2006-10-17 19:19|| Front Page Top

#34 Well the mental illness <-> pot thing certainly explains a lot about Daily Kos and Dem Underground.
Posted by Oldspook 2006-10-17 19:59||   2006-10-17 19:59|| Front Page Top

#35 FYI RP and marijuana linkage is bogus. You'd do more with vitam B complex and moving out to the country.

From somone who has a close relative who bgan losing their vision to RP 3 decades ago and thanks to blood pressure and other experimental treatments has manage to retain some small measure of it over the dacdes in spite of that pernicious disease.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-10-17 20:02||   2006-10-17 20:02|| Front Page Top

#36 do they have licensed whore houses in NV?
Posted by sinse 2006-10-17 21:03||   2006-10-17 21:03|| Front Page Top

#37 Lol. Those are hostess-training facilities which happen to require intensive regular medical STD testing. :-)
Posted by .com 2006-10-17 21:06||   2006-10-17 21:06|| Front Page Top

#38 sinse - ok then :-)
Posted by anon 2006-10-17 23:51||   2006-10-17 23:51|| Front Page Top

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