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2005-02-08 Israel-Palestine

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Posted by tipper 2005-02-08 11:03:16 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Mr Abbas holds strongly to the Palestinian line that a state must include all the West Bank, including Arab East Jerusalem, and Gaza, and that refugees and their millions of descendants should have the right to return to lands in what is now Israel.

In other words, Abbas is open about his plan to peacefully bargain Israel's existence away. If Sharon agrees to Palestinian right of return to lands in what is now Israel, the Jew-hating, "Zionist entity"-hating Palestinians will have made Israel -- just using the common tools of majority rule in a democracy -- Judenfrei within the year.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-08 12:55:47 PM|| 2005-02-08 12:55:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Not to worry trailing wife. This cease fire is going to end just like all the previous ones, and all the future ones --- until the the general problem of ROP solved.

Posted by gromgorru 2005-02-08 1:12:29 PM|| 2005-02-08 1:12:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 With all this hope and peace and love and goodwill a-floating around, Sharon needs to play the game. Abbas cannot deliver. But since everyone is on this goodwill kick, the US will throw money away on the Paleos PA on their promise of an agreement. The US should insist on some milestones before we give money away. Just like dealing with a client with a bad credit history.

Back to the peace overtures by Abbas. Nothing will happen because Hamas and Hizb'Allah will not let it happen. They are radical Islamists and they are nutcakes. They do not think rationally, so they will never let Israel exist.

So what to do? Israel needs to
1. Quietly complete the wall,
2. Abandon undefendable settlements in Gaza and the West Bank,
3. Quietly set up devastating counterbattery fire to take out terrorists that set up missile attacks on Israel.
4. Go through the motions of negotiation and talking nice in the 1 in a million chance that Abbas can deliver.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2005-02-08 3:11:03 PM|| 2005-02-08 3:11:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 All these media outlets talking about a formal end to fighting, bloodshed, etc. need to remember that this "truce" hasn't changed any basic positions, nor has it changed the reality on the ground. The Paleos want something that Israel cannot give them, if it wants to ensure its own security, and Hamas, IJ, and the rest of the terror-peddlers haven't gone away.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-08 3:24:13 PM|| 2005-02-08 3:24:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Agreed, AP, B-rama. Abbas can't and won't dismantle the various terror factions. And because they continue to exist, they will never allow the paleos to accept a reasonable negotiated offer. After all, the Clinton/Barak/Arafat deal was better than anything Sharon will ever accept, and the paleos still think that deal didn't go far enough.

My fear is that the only strategy Abbas use to walk away from this is if he makes what Israel deems to be unreasonable demands, i.e., unlimited "right of return," all of Jerusalem as the capital, etc. That would make Israel the bad guy, again. There's already pressure on him to make these demands.

It's probably not a matter of if this thing will fall apart, it's a matter of when.

So: build the wall, play the PR game (negotiate, make a big deal of making painful concessions, etc), gather intelligence about which paleos are doing what, shore up defenses, and wait.

Posted by PlanetDan 2005-02-08 4:09:07 PM|| 2005-02-08 4:09:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 My fear is that the only strategy Abbas use to walk away from this is if he makes what Israel deems to be unreasonable demands, i.e., unlimited "right of return," all of Jerusalem as the capital, etc. That would make Israel the bad guy, again.

I don't know about that; whereas before the media could skew the story the way they saw fit and rest assured that little if any challenge would be made against it, such is no longer the case.

The media's monopoly on the megaphone is no more.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-08 9:46:11 PM|| 2005-02-08 9:46:11 PM|| Front Page Top

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