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2024-01-15 Europe

Tagarev in the USA: History textbooks should be cleared of facts that create appreciation for Russia

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Posted by badanov 2024-01-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [23 views ] Top

#1 Another sicko.

The Czar sent ships to support the Union during the Civil War, and there is some reporting that Russia fed the Lincoln Administration info on British plans to exploit the War to their advantage.

Posted by DooDahMan 2024-01-15 06:32|| 2024-01-15 06:32|| Front Page Top

#2 /\ Gasp! Another inconvenient fact !

Posted by Besoeker 2024-01-15 06:40|| 2024-01-15 06:40|| Front Page Top

#3
#1 Another sicko.

The Czar sent ships to support the Union during the Civil War, and there is some reporting that Russia fed the Lincoln Administration info on British plans to exploit the War to their advantage.
Posted by: DooDahMan 2024-01-15 06:32

DDM,

FWIW there's also some evidence that the Russian Fleet was there because the Russians were staring down the UK, and the American ports were nice and ice-free year round, unlike their own home ports.

Mike

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2024-01-15 07:58|| 2024-01-15 07:58|| Front Page Top

#4 history cleared of facts! NO!

Posted by irish rage boy 2024-01-15 09:56|| www.weemfg.com 2024-01-15 09:56|| Front Page Top

#5 Yes, yes. I still have a copy of my Russian history textbook from the bad old days when I was a poor, starving college student.

Nicholas V. Riasanovsky wrote A History of Russia, a 748 page book that covers Russian history from the time before Kiev when there might have been Slavic tribes but no Russians up until The Time after Stalin, 1953-1968 which is the last chapter. I recently dug this book out of an old, dusty box in my garage.

Sorry, Tagarev, it's too late for me.

This book gave me an appreciation for Russians and their struggles for over a thousand years against invaders from all over Asia and Europe. They fought Mongols, Swedes, Turks, British, Finns, Poles, French, Japanese and, of course, Germans. Yes, they expanded their territory. You could say the Tsars were the epitome of imperialists. But then, you could say that about the British, French, Spanish, Portugese, Dutch and even the Americans. It is a common trait of successful nations and America is as guilty as any of them. At one time in the distant past, Bulgaria was a great empire that rivaled the Ottomans and Byzantines.

But a lot of Russia's expansion was at the expense of people who would have expanded into Russia if Russians hadn't fought back. Genghis Khan would tell you. So would Sweden's King Charles XII, Napoleon and Hitler

I can understand Bulgarians being bitter just like Ukrainians and many other Eastern Europeans who got caught between Hitler and Stalin. They suffered under Soviet rule, no doubt about it. But imagine if they had to live under German Nazis instead of Soviet communists.

OK, that's not a good choice but it's in the past. Get over it. Suppressing the truth and teaching hate is not the answer.

Posted by Abu Laptop (same as Abu Uluque but on a different computer.) 2024-01-15 12:33|| 2024-01-15 12:33|| Front Page Top

#6 ^Bulgaria, Russia, Turks.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-01-15 12:44|| 2024-01-15 12:44|| Front Page Top

#7 But imagine if they had to live under German Nazis instead of Soviet communists.

Treated as Untermenschen in either case — the Nazi plan was to wipe out all the Slavs, while the Soviet plan was to wipe out all not good Socialists. As has been explained, Ukraine’s 3 million starved to death was no different than what happened to many other peoples across the Soviet Union at the time, so even being a good Soviet was not an adequate defense.

Posted by trailing wife 2024-01-15 12:45|| 2024-01-15 12:45|| Front Page Top

#8 This book gave me an appreciation for Russians and their struggles for over a thousand years against invaders from all over Asia and Europe.

The same could be said of Belgium and Korea. Always caught between neighbors with territorial ambitions. We call that history. Man is tribal, territorial, and hierarchical.

Posted by Procopius2k 2024-01-15 12:51|| 2024-01-15 12:51|| Front Page Top

#9 ^#5 Also check out the brilliant works of W. Bruce Lincoln.

Posted by borgboy 2024-01-15 14:40|| 2024-01-15 14:40|| Front Page Top

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