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2015-11-25 The Grand Turk

'US believes Russian jet was in Syrian airspace when Turkey shot it down'

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-11-25 00:18|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 may have fired missile when jet was in Turkish airspace but it hit the jet in Syrian air space

Posted by lord garth 2015-11-25 01:01|| 2015-11-25 01:01|| Front Page Top

#2 From The Aviationist: here’s the radar picture showing both the Su-24 and the F-16 tracks. The violation was quite short (17 seconds). According to the Turkish authorities the Russian plane was issued 10 warnings in 5 minutes before being shot down.

17 second incursion? Five mins of warnings? My SWAG is the Russians were bombing anti-Assad Turkmen in Syria near the border and Turkey decided to stop it.

Future Russian air ops will take place under fighter cover which will increase opportunities for misunderstandings, hurt feelings and maybe a little payback.

Are the Rus flying anything like AWACS in Syria?

Posted by SteveS 2015-11-25 01:16|| 2015-11-25 01:16|| Front Page Top

#3 The good news, SteveS, we'll see that Su-35 can do. The bad new, it's against Muzzi pilots---so not entirely relaible.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-11-25 01:23|| 2015-11-25 01:23|| Front Page Top

#4 My SWAG is the Russians were bombing anti-Assad Turkmen in Syria near the border and Turkey decided to stop it.

Yep. And looks like NATO is referring all of Russia's phone calls back to Turkey.

Posted by Pappy 2015-11-25 08:43|| 2015-11-25 08:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Russia released their own radar analysis. See here.

Posted by trailing wife 2015-11-25 08:53|| 2015-11-25 08:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Turkey has been the de facto air force for ISIS for months.

When Turkey announced their air campaign against ISIS they proceeded to bomb nothing but Kurdish positions in Iraq and Syria, positions that were having profound success against ISIS. Saying they were PKK positions is BS.

The cat is out of the bag and Turkey has both poked the Russian bear and cheesed off Putin. If I were Erdogan, I would start sleeping in a different house every night and hire a taster for all of my food, snacks and drinks.

Posted by Mystic 2015-11-25 09:09|| 2015-11-25 09:09|| Front Page Top

#7 The USAF Task Force in Jordan monitors all air traffic in the Syrian theater.

Link

Posted by Besoeker 2015-11-25 09:10|| 2015-11-25 09:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Turkey has chosen between ISIS or NATO and decided on ISIS.

Boot them out.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2015-11-25 10:21|| 2015-11-25 10:21|| Front Page Top

#9 There have been a lot of oil smuggling routes for ISIS oil in the area.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2015-11-25 10:35|| 2015-11-25 10:35|| Front Page Top

#10 Turkey has chosen between ISIS or NATO and decided on ISIS.

O, probably, told E he doesn't have to chose.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-11-25 12:02|| 2015-11-25 12:02|| Front Page Top

#11 Perhaps this is the sort of 'flexibility' that Champ promised Russia?

Posted by Iblis 2015-11-25 12:23|| 2015-11-25 12:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Blame the gun when it suits the narrative. Blame the shooter when it does not...

Posted by M. Murcek 2015-11-25 15:30|| 2015-11-25 15:30|| Front Page Top

#13 Remember, one of the few times Obama thought of others on the quick, was when he called in The Marines to hold umbrellas up for Erdy and him.

It must have been grimly satisfying for both of them.

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