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2014-10-24 Europe
Hunt For Red October Is Over
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Posted by Raj 2014-10-24 14:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ]  Top

#1 Raj, IIRC that area is not exactly ideal for ASW work. The area is an archipelago. Lots of channels and places to hide. The bottom is essentially rock-flow. The currents and water temps are ideal for subs to mask themselves.

Swedish ASW capabilities have also deteriorated. It has no ASW helicopters. Its ASW-capable ships are limited in number.

ASW is a difficult art. You have to keep up on it, constantly. Sweden (and the USN for that matter) hasn't.
Posted by Pappy 2014-10-24 14:43||   2014-10-24 14:43|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks, Pappy!
Posted by Raj 2014-10-24 14:55||   2014-10-24 14:55|| Front Page Top

#3 How hard would it be to setup a SOSUS line in the Baltic?
Posted by Sninerong Hupinemble5552 2014-10-24 15:48||   2014-10-24 15:48|| Front Page Top

#4 It's a large shallow area with horrific profiles. Active sonar assets were too few to cover. Dipping sonar was not available.

Over the course of the week maybe a few non-Swedish vessels got a listen for future reference and perhaps a track in, out.
Posted by Shipman 2014-10-24 16:25||   2014-10-24 16:25|| Front Page Top

#5 further on Pappy's:
no dedicated shipbased ASW assets except on the small boys. the SH-60Fs from the carriers are
now multimrole (read logistcs/ vertrep/ seal insertion) and there have been no fixed wing ASW since the S3 Vikings were retired. they are in the boneyard and could be ready to go if the political will were there. battle groups protected by the few small boy helos and land based P3/P8
Posted by USN, Ret. 2014-10-24 18:48||   2014-10-24 18:48|| Front Page Top

#6 Yokay, I'll bite, once again wasn't this mystery sub identified on the MSM-Net as "Dutch"???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-10-24 20:37||   2014-10-24 20:37|| Front Page Top

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