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2013-07-09 Afghanistan
Champ considering total US pullout from AFG in 2014
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Posted by Besoeker 2013-07-09 10:05|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [906 views ]  Top

#1 IF it's a good idea in 2014 it's a good idea now in 2013.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-07-09 11:33||   2013-07-09 11:33|| Front Page Top

#2 It's about time he stop asking people to die in a war he plans to lose.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-07-09 11:34||   2013-07-09 11:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Can't turn a septic tank into a bottle of Chanel No. 5. Should have gone the glass parking lot route in 2001. Might still have the paks' attention if we'd done that...
Posted by M. Murcek 2013-07-09 11:58||   2013-07-09 11:58|| Front Page Top

#4 If Obama thinks it is a good idea then it is probably a very bad one for the Free World.
Posted by JFM 2013-07-09 12:19||   2013-07-09 12:19|| Front Page Top

#5 When we pull out I still think we have not dealt with the source of political islam ie Saudi, Pakistan and Iran.
Posted by Paul D 2013-07-09 12:33||   2013-07-09 12:33|| Front Page Top

#6 I second TFSM's sentiments. Afghanistan on a good day is in the condition that you threaten to beat your worst opponent into, as a forceful threat.

If Obumble pulls everyone out quickly, it will be the only thing he's ever done as President with which I agree enthusiastically. I have to assume that he and his cronies will think up some way to screw up even that good thing - but I will hope for the best.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2013-07-09 12:33||   2013-07-09 12:33|| Front Page Top

#7 C'mon, he pulls out in 2013 and it'll be forgotten by the time the 2014 Congressional elections come around.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2013-07-09 12:39||   2013-07-09 12:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Lone Ranger has it right. We are never going to transform Afghanistan into anything positive. Get our men and women outta there ASAP. Every dollar spent and every life lost is a waste.
Posted by remoteman 2013-07-09 12:58||   2013-07-09 12:58|| Front Page Top

#9  IF it's a good idea in 2014 it's a good idea now in 2013

It's like rob said: can't get 2014 mid-term election impact if it's done in 2013.
Posted by Pappy 2013-07-09 13:00||   2013-07-09 13:00|| Front Page Top

#10 It was a good idea as originally conceived in 2001: gob-smack the Taliban, support the Northern Alliance, and destroy al-Qaeda. We got about 95% of that mission done in less than a year.

Then GWB made a big mistake: he listened to Democrats, Europeans, and academia. He bought the "Pottery Barn" idea and thought that we had broken Afghanistan, so we had to fix it and "support democracy". Thus we embarked on "nation building", conveniently ignoring that in Afghanistan there is no nation to build.

If we no longer buy into this then a return to the 2001 plan is a good one: let the crazy Pashtuns and Paks have their playground in the south, and support the Northern Alliance.

But that won't win votes either.
Posted by Steve White 2013-07-09 13:06||   2013-07-09 13:06|| Front Page Top

#11 Dr. Steve is correct. GWB blew the mission by believing his own "compassionate conservatism" malarky.

If you're going to nation build you have to take over lock, stock and barrel as we did in Japan post WWII. We can't/won't do that anymore so the shampoo approach is the correct one.

Re: 2014 vs. 2013 it is all about the election. If done in 2013 there's a whole year for the situation to go to hell, which it will no matter when we pull out. This way the Demoslobs can say "We pulled out the troops, hooray." while if they pull out in 2013 the 'pubs can run on the smoking ruins that will be there at that time.
Posted by AlanC 2013-07-09 13:19||   2013-07-09 13:19|| Front Page Top

#12 Dr. White is spot on. If there is anything to be saved [and that can be debated at great length], it is in the North. A counterinsurgency with a lengthy border sanctuary and safe haven, is a disaster waiting to happen. At this point the entire fok'n place isn't worth a single American or Allied life. Not one !
Posted by Besoeker 2013-07-09 14:18||   2013-07-09 14:18|| Front Page Top

#13 If you're going to nation build

Start with some place where they already had a nation.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-07-09 15:06||   2013-07-09 15:06|| Front Page Top

#14 Wreck the infrastructure as you pull out.

You want the 14th century? Here ya go.
Posted by Muggsey Mussolini 2013-07-09 15:13||   2013-07-09 15:13|| Front Page Top

#15 Is there anyway we can hand Vlad this monkey and make it look like a happy meal?
Posted by Shipman 2013-07-09 16:02||   2013-07-09 16:02|| Front Page Top

#16 E.G. STARS-N-STRIPES > AFGHANISTAN:[Post-2014] CIVILIAN LAYOFFS RAISES FEAR OF STRONGER INSURGENCY, i.e. that soon-to-be-layed-off former Us-NATO Aghan civilian workers will end up joining the Hard Boyz due to post-2014 national economic turmoil or chaos.

The above, + any + all prior MSM-Net Artics + Pert Analyses anticipating such is why mainstream Amers should never listen to the DemoLeft + aligned on why the US-Allies should NOT engage in "nation-building", "national rconstruction, or even "imperialism" when it comes to winning or engaging in overseas military conflicts ala "winning hearts-n-minds".
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-07-09 19:48||   2013-07-09 19:48|| Front Page Top

#17 More ...

* MEMRI.ORG > AL-QAEDA TOP PAKISTANI OFFICER USTAD AHMED FAROOQ: WAR UNDERWAY IN [Pakistani] TRIBAL AREA IS THE BATTLE FOR THE WHOLE OF THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT.

D *** NG IT, DOES INDONESIA + ASEAN + WESTPAC KNOW???

[Lest we fergit, "RED STAR" TURBAN here].

versus

* SAME > [AL-HAYAT = 06/15/13] SENIOR SAUDI JOURNALIST: UNLESS SSAUDI ARABIA CAN ACT IMMEDIATELY TO REMOVE [Syria's] ASSAD FROM POWER, "NIGHTMARE " OF [Regional? TranS-Regional?]"SHIITE CRESCENT" MAY MATERIALIZE.

From Iran to the Mediterranean = now including EGYPT?
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-07-09 23:01||   2013-07-09 23:01|| Front Page Top

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