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#1 Phueckers. So much for the Arab spring. So much for Hillary and Obama's diplomacy (or whatever it's called--dithering or bungling?). When will our government realize these people are sworn to be our enemies? Playing nice does not work. Condolences to the Ambassador's and other families who had family killed.
Obama is claiming to have so much more foreign policy experience than Romney. BS!
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-12 07:46||
#2 We pay these countries billions but they are taught to hate us from a young age(School/home/mosque) and we wonder why it all goes wrong in the Arab Spring?
Posted by Paul 2012-09-12 08:18||
#3 Message received. Commence operation bleach.
Posted by DarthVader 2012-09-12 08:32||
#4 Nuke Libya and Egypt out of existence. No mercy for vermin.
Posted by Silentbrick - Schlumberger Squishy Mud Division 2012-09-12 08:38||
#5 Now that the fear of retribution is gone we will see more of this, perhaps carried down to the local level at your corner police station.
Posted by Skidmark 2012-09-12 09:07||
#6 Not a cent to Islamic nations...the the Saudi prop them up. The Middle East Obama apology tour has consequences...when you seek friendship not respect, this is what happens.
Posted by Jack Salami 2012-09-12 09:20||
#7 While some commenters at Rantburg were passing the bloody popcorn while these same cut throats were chasing down, killing and mutilating the corpses of Khadafy and sons, it was abundantly clear to many others that these demons would be ten times worse to America than Khadafy would ever be.
Ronald Reagon declawed Khadafy through decisive military strikes and put the fear of God in him and taught him to never, ever mess with Americans again. We lost a pilot and a plane in those strikes.
The FOOLISHMENT and total IGNORANCE and GHOOLISH hysteria displayed by some of the next generation of Americans while these savages now in control who are many times more deadly to Americans chased down the people past American generations had managed to tame was completely irresponsible and reprehensible. The same applies to Mubariks demise in Egypt where these brutal savages are now in control in Egypt.
Clinton is now on the teevee telling everyone how "complex and confounding" the situation is in Lybia. She further blames "a small, radical faction" not the "brave Lybian government".
Posted by Besoeker 2012-09-12 09:59||
#9 Well, wr ...
I certainly hope you're not going to defend Moumar Qadafi. However he spelled his name.
He was a right bastard, too, you see, and he enjoyed killing Americans and causing trouble for the West when he got the chance. That Reagan was able to dissuade some of his baser instincts with a bombing raid simply demonstrated Qadafi's cowardice.
So no, as it turns out it was NOT clear that the ones who overthrew Qadafi were going to be "ten times worse" than him. Matter of fact, I don't see much difference at all so far.
Why? Because they're all pretty much murderous scum.
Oh, I don't doubt there were a few democrats amongst the rebels this past spring. I had a few secret hopes that perhaps, just perhaps these folks would make headway in a revolution and that Libya would be gripped by a sudden outbreak of common sense.
I was wrong.
But that doesn't mean I was also wrong about Qadafi.
It wasn't foolish to want Qadafi dead, it was an understanding of rough justice. It wasn't foolish to hope that the Libyan people would finally get that the best way to be left alone is to leave others alone, it was a recognition that occasionally common people win out.
Didn't happen this time.
What would be foolish now would be to let things sit.
We bombed one tyrant. We can bomb another. Perhaps the new masters of Libya are as cowardly as the old one was.
Posted by Steve White 2012-09-12 10:04||
#10 Post-WWII political upheaval in the Middle East has seldom taken the form of true democratic reform. It generally goes quite the opposite direction. Once the trouble started last year, the demise of Muammar Gaddafi and of Lybia was a very predictable outcome. One can hope that the administration's hesitancy to initiate military involvement in Syria is a result of lessons learned and lessions we continue to learn quite painfully, in Lybia.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-09-12 10:18||
#11 Not sure why the marines guarding embassys in the middle east don't have flame throwers and orders to shoot anyone that breaches the walls.
Not sure why the tops of the walls aren't electrified with teh equivelant of a taser to leave the person scaling flopping on the ground in pain (or dead). Glass at the very least.
Not sure why the embassies in the middle east arne't on skeleton crews at this point with an embassadaor and marine contingent (with laser bomb guidance sites if needed) and nobody else.
It is nice to see that not all of the US enemies are calculating plotters like the Russians, waiting for after the election to ensure the easy mark is in office for four more years.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-09-12 10:42||
#12 Post-Islam political upheaval in the Middle East has seldom taken the form of true democratic reform.
Posted by Rob Crawford 2012-09-12 10:44||
#13 @Steve White
Unfortunately revenge has no place in politics ans sometimes you have to cope with a former ennemy who is also a perfect bastard. AZmerica allied with Stalin against Hitler, with Germany and Japan during the cold war despite they were still teeming with unsavory characters.
Gadafy became far less agressive after he was bombed and became nearly servile after Sadam's overthowing and capture. He was never friend of the Muslim Brotherhood and at times told about Lybia not being an arab country but an African one (a good thing IMHO since panarabism and islamism are two faces of the same money) even if at time he told just the opposite.
I don't defend him but the peole the Obama administrtion decided to support are not only more opressive than Gadafi was but also far more dangerous for western countries than the againg Gadaffi was.
Lesson is: If you are going to overthrow dictator think if you are not helping someone worse. Of course the above implies you want the best for America. I am not sure it is the case with Obama.
#14 In the Islamic world the one with the most arms usually wins and is in control.Tribal/gangster mentality!
Muslims only respect force.Friendship is seen as weakness Mr Obama.
Posted by Paul D 2012-09-12 12:05||
#15 And now I hear that the Libyan government security told the mob where the Ambassador was after he was relocated to a more secure building.
Not to mention it appears he wasn't guarded by Marines but locally hired security. Who the F came up with that bright idea? Sounds like a Hillary - don't want to offend the locals by protecting ourselves do we?
And I'm afraid this is just the beginning. They taste blood in the water now. And Obumbles probably has another tee time scheduled at the Golf Course - or a campaign stop.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-09-12 12:07||
#16 It WILL get worse. O/hillary sent a message by their weak actions/lack of decisive actions. There will be more embassy attacks. We will react after a fashion. The Islamists are inside our OODA loop. That doesn't show how smart they are. It shows how stupid and out of any body's league the O admin is. Events are overtaking O where they count. This is how world wars start.
We are beginning to be pulled by the black hole. I hope that I am wrong.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2012-09-12 12:22||
#17 AP pegs it
Posted by lotp 2012-09-12 12:23||
#18 Close the embassies in Libya and Egypt, pull all our personnel out, tell any Americans stupid enough to be living there to get out or they're on their own, and then CUT OFF EVERY DIME OF FOREIGN AID. Let 'em starve, or kill each other, whichever comes first.
I'd call them bastards, but I don't want to have to apologize to normal bastards everywhere for impuning them. >:-(
Posted by Barbara 2012-09-12 12:36||
#19 Bambi has just secured his legacy - as the WORST PRESIDENT EVER.
Jimmuh is smiling (he'd be smiling even more if the people killed were Joooooos).
And by the way, where is Shrillery? Still in the South Pacific? >:-(
Posted by Barbara 2012-09-12 12:41||
#20 "Of course the above implies you want the best for America. I am not sure it is NOT the case with Obama."
FTFY, #13 JFM.
Posted by Barbara 2012-09-12 12:43||
#21 It all comes down to carrots and sticks. Whatever gets a carrot we'll see more of. Whatever gets the stick we'll see less of.
The problem isn't that Muslims respond to the carrot and stick like everyone else. The problem is that this administration is using these tools opposite of how they should.
Posted by Iblis 2012-09-12 12:47||
#22 We bombed one tyrant. We can bomb another. Perhaps the new masters of Libya are as cowardly as the old one was.
Or perhaps not. You should have found out before installing their pathetic asses with Western air support and no boots on the ground.
And not just in Libya, we also gave them Egypt, which a) borders Israel, and b) has a large stockpile of American-made weapons.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2012-09-12 12:52||
#23 Bottom line muslims respect force not talk.
Israel get respect military wise from their neighbours because they respond with force not talk.Does Bambi not realise this?
Posted by Paul D 2012-09-12 12:58||
#24 "Hey, Egypt! Nice dam ya got there. Be a shame if somethin' wuz ta happen to it..."
Posted by mojo 2012-09-12 14:01||
Miss me yet?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-09-12 14:31||
#26 When will our government realize these people are sworn to be our enemies?
are sworn "destined" or "created".
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-09-12 14:54||
#27 Looking like it's been a well coordinated and planned out attack. Also word of another protest Friday
Posted by Jan 2012-09-12 15:37||
the "I am not sure" was of course mere rhetoric.
-Obama has sytematically supported Islamists all while torpedoing both democrats and secular military in North Africa and Turkey
-Obama jas given an exit date from Afghanistan a big NO-NO when you fight a gierrilla: local fear being voctims of the bad huys so they try to congratiate them bu proving them shelter, information or even by attacking your soldiers. Notice the shatp increase on coalition forces drom Aghan police or military.
-Obam has denied weapons to anti-Taliban Afghan minorities who suppoered the Northern Allonce in pre 9-11 times.
-Obama disclosed the identities if the Seals who killed Bin Laden
-Obama has not lifted a finger against Iran'w WMD program.
-Obama let Iranian opposition in the colmd
-Obama has tried to prevent Israel from acting and has given the cold shoulder to Netanyahh all while receiving Morsi in the WH
-Obama has given clearance to sensitive infoprmation to people close to kihadism.
It is too much for being simple stupidity.
Posted by JFM 2012-09-12 15:38||
#29 Right on target JFM.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-09-12 15:42||
#30 It is too much for being simple stupidity.
You're not a student of history, JFM?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-09-12 15:46||
Although the head of Libya's National Assembly has formally apologized for the killing of US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, other higher-ranking Libyan officials refuse to apologize and continue to contend the US is to blame.
For example, Libya's Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif says the US should have realized its consulate personnel were in danger once the film "Innocence of Muslims" insulted Islam by calling the Prophet Mohammed into question. The film was made by an Israeli-American who is now in hiding.
Said Sharif: "[The US] is to blame simply for not withdrawing their personnel from the premises... It was necessary that they take precautions. It was their fault that they did not take the necessary precautions."
Sharif also made it clear that the embassy was a sitting duck to begin with -- that those who overran it were far better armed than those assigned to protect it.
Posted by Au Auric 2012-09-12 15:49||
#32 It was their fault that they did not take the necessary precautions.
Oh, so if we kill your ambassadors and blame you for it that is ok then?
Posted by DarthVader 2012-09-12 15:51||
At 11:53pm last night Talking Points Memo released a statement from the Obama campaign condemning Mitt Romney for criticizing something the White House itself disavowed -- an appalling apology issued by the State Department.
Eight hours later, President Obama finally got around to condemning the monsters who attacked us on our own soil and killed our fellow citizens.
Yesterday, on the 11th anniversary of September 11, the Obama White House snubbed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, accepted an invitation from David Letterman, and apologized to Islamists upset over a film that mocks Islam and Mohammed -- something "artists" in America do to Christianity with my tax dollars on a fairly regular basis.
First off: Why is our Embassy apologizing for a film no one has seen and apologizing for freedom of speech and expression? In a word, that's un-American. And let's remember that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton doubled down on the apology. Last night, though, the White House finally disavowed the apology, but now the hypocritical and wildly dishonest Obama campaign is lashing out at Mitt Romney for being critical of the same apology the White House itself disavowed.
Here's the Romney statement:
I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.
So I guess it's okay for President Obama to criticize that disgraceful apology but not Romney. And now the left is claiming the apology in question from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo was made before the compound was attacked. But it's just a fact that the on Twitter and elsewhere, even after the attack, that the Embassy defended and stood by the apology.
And let me reiterate that after the attack, Hillary doubled down on it.
Read the rest at the link above..... WOW
Posted by Au Auric 2012-09-12 15:58||
#34 @Gromgoru. Nope. A compiter scientist. Buy I love history, specially WWII history.
Posted by JFM 2012-09-12 16:24||
#35 It is too much for being simple stupidity.
Too much, indeed. Once is an accident... but after the umpteenth time, ya gotta suspect something is up.
Posted by SteveS 2012-09-12 17:58||
#36 Bingo, JFM.
Posted by Barbara 2012-09-12 18:13||
#37 Whatever the reason, the trend is real.
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-09-12 18:35||
#38 It appears to me that Obama doesn't necessarily want the worst for the USA, he just doesn't think we should be the dominant power. He is genuinely embarresed by how well the USA has done and it flies in the face of his belief that nothing can happen without Government. He believes we and the World would be better off if the US was down around 100 and much less influential in the world.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-09-12 19:00||
#39 I hit enter too soon. I meant to add, Hence his World Apology Tour when he was first elected. How'd that work you ask? NOT TOO GOOD!
Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-09-12 19:01||
#40 I was flabbergasted at the limp response to the Egyptian embassy attack. I can easily believe ∅ would react that way, but following after the Canadians closing their embassy in Iran I wonder if we're desperately trying to keep critical Sunni leader on board with an Iran plan. I assume there are still a few adults in State and the Pentagon, though I doubt that ∅ is doing any behind-the-scenes maneuvering--probably wouldn't even be in the loop until it is time to take credit.
#41 No reason to get worked up. Assange wasn't in the embassy, just American diplomats.
Posted by European Conservative 2012-09-12 20:05||
#42 As Radical Clerics/Mullahs have said, "ISLAM RULES, OR ISLAM IS DESTROYED" - the Islamist Global Jihad = GWOT is N-O-T going to end until one or the other occurs.
Once again, MUSLIM/ISLAMIC MILITARY HISTOIRE' = MUSLIMS FIGHT WARS OF DECADES + GENERATIONS [aka ex-POTUS Dubya's "Long War"]. ITS NOT OVER JUST BECAUSE THE US GOT OSAMA + IS PULLING OUT OF AFGHANISTAN IN 2014.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-09-12 20:16||
#43 I recommend Barbara Tuchman's "March of Folly"---to start with, JFM
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-09-12 23:57||