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2012-02-28 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

From the left - 6 questions to ask anyone advocating mil action against Iran

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Posted by Besoeker 2012-02-28 03:17|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 The entire set of six questions is based on false assumptions.
Once Iran has the bomb it will not need a direct confrontation with the US. All they will need is summggle one small nuke into New York city using an anonimous terrorist, denying anyconnection to it and squeeze bambi's balls as hard as they can.

Suddenly small terrorist groups will wield tactical nukes. Such a situation will bring the US to it's knees both morally and economically.

As for Israel, our "hundreds of nuclear bombs" will not help us if the Mullahs suceed in planting two nukes in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem/ we will never be able to survive such a scenario.
We (Israel) cannot afford such a threat.
The monkey (Ahmadinagad) expressly said that he is willing to sacrifice most of Iran's population in order to anyhilate Israel. I believe him !!!!!
Israel will attack with or without US help. It is inevitable !!

the US under Bambi's direction is fucking it's friends and allies and encoraging it's enemies in a consistent manner.
By the time the American public wakes up it is going to be too late.

Posted by Elder of Zion 2012-02-28 04:29|| 2012-02-28 04:29|| Front Page Top

#2 One question in return.
Would you stick to your opinion if we assured you that we have a team emplaced whose job is to kill your entire family in the event of Iranian nuclear attack on Israel?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-02-28 04:48|| 2012-02-28 04:48|| Front Page Top

#3 The U.S. has successfully deterred Iran for more than three decades. Why are we assuming that suddenly, deterrence will not work with Iran anymore?

The only thing we have 'deterred' them from is a major war of agression. Except their war with Iraq, of course.

Only a lefty dupe would fall for that question!

Posted by Bobby 2012-02-28 06:41|| 2012-02-28 06:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Its a time game. Will the Mullahs be overthrown before they get the bomb. If so then we have to (a) accellerate their removal (b) slow down the progress towards the bomb.

It is not rocket science. War is scary but Iran with the bomb is scarier.

Posted by rjschwarz 2012-02-28 10:23|| 2012-02-28 10:23|| Front Page Top

#5 The questions seem naive.

Posted by JohnQC 2012-02-28 10:25|| 2012-02-28 10:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Q. ... how are we factoring in and addressing the uncertainty of intelligence on Irans nuclear program?

Israeli intelligence is much better - and they have more at stake.

Q. What are the views of the Iranian people in regards to a potential war and the current sanctions regime? Is this current path helping us win or lose hearts and minds in Iran?

I think the Iranian protests of a few years ago is a fair indication. Too bad Obumbles voted 'present' again.

Q. What are the forces behind Irans nuclear program? Could one factor be a desire for a nuclear deterrence due to a sense of insecurity and threat? If so, how can we affect Irans sense of need for a nuclear deterrence? Does the increasingly bellicose and confrontational approach of the West actually increase Tehrans desire for nuclear deterrence?

One - it is not *our* fault and Two - we can remove their capabilities and, if we are lucky, the existence of their dictators.

Q. The U.S. has thousands of nuclear weapons. Israel has hundreds. Iran currently has a mighty arsenal of zero nuclear weapons. The U.S. has successfully deterred Iran for more than three decades. Why are we assuming that suddenly, deterrence will not work with Iran anymore?

Because Iran has stated, in no uncertain terms, that they will use their nuclear weapons to wipe Israel off the map and then the 'Great Satan'.

Q. The U.S. military leadership does not believe Israel has an effective military option when it comes to unilaterally destroying Iran's nuclear sites. A tense exchange is currently playing out in public between the Netanyahu government and the U.S. military, with Israeli officials accusing Chairman of the Joints Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey of having "served Iran's interests." What lies behind the starkly diverging views of the Netanyahu government and the U.S. military on Iran?

A bumbling, incompetent, and basically foolish President of the United States.

Q. According to the Congressional Research Service, total war-related funding for Iraq has exceeded $800 billion -- an average of approximately $100 billion per year. With these numbers in mind -- and at a time of over 8 percent unemployment and unprecedented government bailouts -- how will we pay for a war with Iran?

Simple - we don't do any 'Nation Building' after we do our 'Nation Destroying". Afghanistan shows that it simply doesn't work in those situations.

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-02-28 11:10|| 2012-02-28 11:10|| Front Page Top

#7 win or lose hearts and minds

Kill their hearts and the minds will follow.

Posted by AlanC 2012-02-28 12:56|| 2012-02-28 12:56|| Front Page Top

#8 I said this before:

Imagine you are a cop on a crowded street. You see a man who is apparently insane who is waving a pistol. You pull your own pistol, take aim at him and tell him to drop his. He refuses. You don't know if his pistol is loaded or not. You don't know if he will fire it or not. But it doesn't matter. You have no choice. You cannot take the chance. You have to shoot him before anyone else gets killed.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-02-28 13:15|| 2012-02-28 13:15|| Front Page Top

#9 ebbang - add to that the insane man is shouting that he is going to 'shoot a specific person' at the top of his lungs over and over and over again.

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-02-28 14:31|| 2012-02-28 14:31|| Front Page Top

#10 Iran's plan has always been to takeover the Shiia populated Gulf, which basically means all the oil.

Ironically we have Saddam to thank for stalling that plan.

But with the bomb, I have no doubt Iran will be more aggressive in persuing this aim.

Posted by Phil_B 2012-02-28 16:41|| 2012-02-28 16:41|| Front Page Top

#11 #7 reminds me of a scene from 1960's = 1980's OLIVER STONE'S "PLATOON" > "JUNIOR" = "...Free your Mind, your Ass will follow - simple"!

* INDIAN DEFENCE FORUM > NATIONAL SECURITY:POSSIBLE STRIKE ON IRAN WILL STRENGTHEN MULLAH REGIME.

versus

* WAFF > WOULD IT BE SO BAD IFF IRAN GETS NUCLEAR WEAPONS?

* TOPIX > THE DAY IRAN TESTS THE BOMB.

By most accounts, the symbolic greater threat from a Nuclear-armed Iran stems notsomuch from Iran = a sovereign nuclear Nation-State, but the PROLIFERATION + PROPAGATION OF MILITARY NUCTECHS TO HIGHLY DECENTRALIZED, CONTROLLED OR "AUTONOMOUS/INDEPENDENT", MILTERR GROUPS.

As per post-Cold War, OWG-NWO "Bipolar",
"Tripolar, or "Multipolar" World, "ARAB SPRING" ISLAMIST GOVTS-STATES WANT THEIR OWN NUCPROGS AS THE COLD WAR "NUCLEAR HEIRARCHY" NO LONGER SUFFICES.

No NucWeaps = NO SHIA OR SUNNI "CALIPHATE" PAR OR SUPERIOR TO ANY + ALL NON-ISLAM.

THE ISLAMISTS WANT NUKES, + AREN'T TAKING "NO" FOR AN ANSWER.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-02-28 18:56|| 2012-02-28 18:56|| Front Page Top

#12 After the 9/11 precedent even a rational nuclear Iran would not be deterred from sponsoring non-WMD terror attacks on the West killing thousands.

Even if Iran didn't use nukes a nuclear Iran would put the West in an untenable position.

Posted by Speregum Thavitch1008 2012-02-28 19:52|| 2012-02-28 19:52|| Front Page Top

#13 49 Pan and I have been discussing this MM Iranian nuclear weapons stuff for quite a while now, and this is what we have concluded so far.

It appears from our distant view that Iran is not persuing a plutonium bomb. To have some serious throw weight in a nuclear weapon you need a plutionium implosion device to keep the payload on long range missiles down.

Iran seems to be going with U235 separation by centrifuges in a big way. There are a number of underground centrifuge locations, so it is hard to take them all out.

The question then is what kind of a bomb is Iran trying to build?

Iranians want something adequate, not necessarily sophisticated, so a gun-type U235 weapon would be relatively easy to make.

We used to make these types that would fit in an artillery shell. Yield would be in tons to hundreds of tons. They are relatively simple but they are dangerous, especially with inshallah safing

These weapons could be mounted on a missile and sent for a considerable distance.

If the yield is not that high, it is still a bomb. Though inefficient or even a fizzle, it can contaminate a sizeable area with something that has a half life of 107,000 years.

Even a mass of U235 exploded over a target will make things uninhabitable.

The MMs make a crummy U235 bomb and the MSM will generate hysteria, making the propaganda victory that Iran's lack of advanced technology cannot achieve on its own.

The way we see how to deal with this is to either decapitate the regime, or make working on these projects life threatening, from the janitor to the scientist. Dinner Jacket becomes toxic and people avoid him because the employees are being targeted for killing if they work for DJ.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2012-02-28 20:22|| 2012-02-28 20:22|| Front Page Top

#14 The MMs make a crummy U235 bomb and the MSM will generate hysteria, making the propaganda victory that Iran's lack of advanced technology cannot achieve on its own

And thus provide Iran with something to point at, as they continue their campaign to be a 'playah' in the region.

Posted by Pappy 2012-02-28 21:21|| 2012-02-28 21:21|| Front Page Top

#15 I wonder if nutjob just pretends to believe the Twelfth Imam thing in order to make the mullocracy believe he is fit for the job. The mullahs are driving this one. The mullahs are nuts. They will use it. They just have to know that they, the Norks, Syria, and maybe Pakistain will disappear off the map if anything bad happens to the US or Israel.

Posted by gorb 2012-02-28 21:45|| 2012-02-28 21:45|| Front Page Top

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