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2007-06-14 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Seafarious 2007-06-14 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Hamass has won the Gaza and...

Fatah's losses in Gaza have meant that Hamass now has access to thousands of more weapons and ammo, much of it supplied originally by the US and the West as part of their efforts to prop up the Palestinian Authority
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*UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is deeply concerned about the situation in Gaza.

That's it the God Damn Limit!!

I *NEED* to beat the living shit out of Moon over and over and over. And pretty plz if anyone knows where he and kofi live, let me kno... I promise that i'll walk there(?) from here in Caliphornia gladly.

UPDATE:
A former IDF intel officer warns that Hamasstan is all but assured in Gaza, and that Israel may have to take action. He blames Israel for the disengagement leading to the current situation.

Fatah's had enough of Abbas, and are calling for him to step down. Given his abysmal performance, I can't blame them, but then again, not a single one of the Fatah thugs are worthy of being a dog catcher, let alone the representative of a pseudo-government.

Is it *NOW* within the realm of possibilities for Israel to evict every last Paleo [the Al Qaeda Paleos AND every man woman and child Paleo] in the Gaza for the sake of Israel's survival?

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg 2007-06-14 00:30|| 2007-06-14 00:30|| Front Page Top

#2 and Wretched adds this to this conversation:

Here are three items with one unifying thread.

Hospitals Become Battleground in Gaza. Caption: "Palestinian physician Fayez Al-Barrawi, 29, lays in a hospital bed after he was shot six times in his legs when he was kidnapped by Palestinian militants, at Kamal Edwan in Beit Lahiya northern Gaza Strip."

Sacred Shiite Shrine in Samarra Attacked Again: "Suspected al-Qaida insurgents on Wednesday destroyed the two minarets of the Askariya Shiite shrine in Samarra, authorities reported, in a repeat of a 2006 bombing that shattered its famous Golden Dome and unleashed a wave of retaliatory sectarian violence that still bloodies Iraq."

Pakistani City Transformed by Militants: "Pro-Taliban Militants Gain Ground, Drain Life From Once Prosperous Pakistani City"

These stories all illustrate how the Jihad is destroying every Muslim society in which it is raised. It has created far more havoc on those societies than any conceivable American military strike. Terrorism as a defense creates far more collateral damage than any conceivable "protection" it may offer.

A case in point is Iraq. Far from being a brilliant strategy to defeat the America the "networked insurgency" has so far managed to smash Iraq's infrastructure, unleash murder gangs, cause the exile of hundreds of thousands of Sunnis to neighboring countries, cripple its oil production, dissolve every semblance of social order it can corrode and finally, unleash such a wave of revulsion that even thugs and smugglers are making common cause with the Coalition so that they can return to a life of peaceful crime.

In Gaza, men on street are improbably longing for the return of the Israeli soldier, whose presence, however stern, now seems the very soul of gaiety in comparison to sadistic brutality of Hamas and Fatah.

Even Pakistan's Northwest Frontier, the historical epitome of lawlessness, is watching all its grim records broken. "Now, Tank is becoming a virtual no-go zone, even for ethnic Pashtuns who make up the majority of its 150,000 people. Islamic fundamentalists have issued Taliban-style edicts and set up their own courts in the city and nearby districts. Extremists have warned barbers not to shave customers' beards and bombed shops selling Western music or films."

And the Jihadis have just gotten started. The terrible logic of terror means that it must continuously raise its level of grisliness to keep its victims, already brutalized and inured to routine shocks, spasming in fear.

Having blown up the Golden Dome of the Samarra mosque they must now move on to the minarets. After that the basements will be next. There's no end to it. It has been argued that not terrorism, but the West's response to it that is fundamentally dangerous to traditional liberties. But if that is true the mirror argument also holds. Islamic societies everywhere are being corroded, perhaps fatally, by the Jihad against the infidel.

Their own choice of symbol -- the suicide bomber -- perhaps best illustrates the ultimate effect of their mode of warfare. The headless, explosive-shattered corpse may represent not simply the fate of the individual attacker but the society which spawned him.

The Jihad expels a terrible toxicity as a waste product, which like carbon monoxide in a submarine, poisons the entire atmosphere till unchecked it is nothing but a cylindrical metal tomb.

The fate of Gaza may foreshadow the future of Lebanon, Pakistan and perhaps finally, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran. What goes around, comes around.

Posted by Sherry">Sherry 2007-06-14 00:38|| 2007-06-14 00:38|| Front Page Top

#3 How was the takeover finalized? Hamas operatives blew up Fatah's main security center, killing 13. Fatah once had a ten to one advantage in weapons, yet a single incident caused their collapse. And Hamas hasn't been getting PA money. How did this happen? The Saudis have been using oil money extorted from the West, to finance Egyptian armamanent of Hamas. I don't believe that this was organized by the Egyptian government, but the State Department has leveraged indulgence of Muslim Brotherhood terrorists. On September 11, 2001, there were 19,000 MB terrorists in Egyptian prisons. Now there are less than 5,000. Why? The Middle East Democratic Initiative involved State Dept pressure for inclusion of anyone who formally - and that word should be used lightly - renounced terror, in the democratic process. Even after Algerian Islamists had campaigned on the motto - one man, one vote, one time - the State Dept. continued to pressure liberation of the enemy. And al-Qaeda's #2 terrorist, Zawahiri, is a former MB terrorist, who had been imprisoned in Egypt until Clinton pressured release.

Effect follows cause, but I am not going to point fingers; I am going to do a Sopranos' ending, and leave with a blank page. Fill in the blanks.......

Posted by McZoid 2007-06-14 00:56|| 2007-06-14 00:56|| Front Page Top

#4 These stories all illustrate how the Jihad is destroying every Muslim society in which it is raised. It has created far more havoc on those societies than any conceivable American military strike. Terrorism as a defense creates far more collateral damage than any conceivable "protection" it may offer.

Forgive me if I laugh and point. This is the ultimate reason why any conceivable measure will eventually be permitted against Islamic terrorism. It is so toxic as to make global nuclear war look like a placebo.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-06-14 02:46|| 2007-06-14 02:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Cool, looks like the East Med's gonna have it's own ~~Islamic Mini-state~~ Mogadishu - piracy ahoy in 3.. 2..

Posted by Howard UK 2007-06-14 05:22|| 2007-06-14 05:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Israel's biggest problem always was Western support for Paleosimians. The current situation is an opportunity. Lets hope it won't be wasted like the opportunities of 48 and 67.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-06-14 05:35|| 2007-06-14 05:35|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm all for walling off all of the Middle East and giving them as many guns as they want for this very reason.

Let them and their death cult eat themselves instead of us.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-06-14 09:14|| 2007-06-14 09:14|| Front Page Top

#8 Hell, contain Gaza and send in convicts Running Man-style.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-06-14 10:40|| 2007-06-14 10:40|| Front Page Top

#9 Those assholes in Gaza voted for Hamas. Now let them live under it's kindly influence. Thumb their noses at us will they?

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-06-14 11:18|| 2007-06-14 11:18|| Front Page Top

#10 This process must run its course. Paleos voted for Hamas. There are consequences for voting for the type of government that they asked for. The Paleos need to live with the consequences. They will change or die, but they must be allowed to live with these consequences or they never will be worth anything to the world or themselves.

Israel has to quarantine Gaza from their own country and let things take their toll. I would suggest that Israel turn off the electricity, and point to the water valve. One of the issues that Israel has in Gaza is the migration of sewage laden water toward the desalination intakes at Ashkelon. Gaza is a very large petri dish that can generate diseases like cholera with their descent into anarchy and civil war. If Israel can keep their distance at this time, that would be the best thing.

However, a clear Hamas win would put Israel into a serious war situation with two hostile agressive enemies, Hamas in Gaza, and Hizb'Allah [Syria, Iran] on their northern borders. These are dangerous times.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-06-14 15:33|| 2007-06-14 15:33|| Front Page Top

#11 Iran is directly financing and training Hamas, too, McZoid. They have been for years. At this point, I believe, Hamas is more a tool of Iran than of the Muslim Brotherhood or the Saudi princelings.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-06-14 19:21|| 2007-06-14 19:21|| Front Page Top

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