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2006-10-16 Europe

The Thin Red Line Gets A Little Thinner...

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Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-10-16 12:37|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 To add to the woes, the US Navy has also been substantially reduced. Reagan built a 600-ship navy. Clinton dismantled almost half of it. We're just now beginning to get back to where we need to be (400-500 ships). We do have about 200 ships in mothballs, but most are old and out of date.

Actually, the only country in NATO with a decent navy (outside of the UK) is Italy. Theirs, however, is primarily a defensive navy, with little capability of long-range deployment and open ocean capacity. The British people need to wake up and demand a more robust navy if they plan to keep their far-flung but greatly reduced empire. The Argentinans are still a threat to the Falklands, and pirates are a threat to many of Britain's small colonies such as Ascension and some Pacific islands.

I think we're going to have to depend on Australia and Japan for help in the Far East. We used to be able to count on New Zealand, but they're now a "peaceful" people. The only reason they're not facing huge problems from outside is because they're at the end of the earth, literally.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-10-16 13:28|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-10-16 13:28|| Front Page Top

#2 I think it may be time to turn the annual RIMPAC exercises into something more than strictly training. For those unaware, RIMPAC is a multi-national naval wargame with traditional red vs. blue forces ( surface, air, sub-surface). Quite intense. IIRC from my active duty days, the US, Japan, Taiwan, Austrailia, Phillipines and others all played. I will hazard a guess that we also used our Marines to take a beach, but being an airdale, my focus was on keeping the planes in the air.

Posted by USN, ret. 2006-10-16 13:55|| 2006-10-16 13:55|| Front Page Top

#3 I would have to vie for the US resucitating its mothball fleet, for several reasons. First, sheer number of ships that can be floated in a short period of time. Second, far less cost than any new ship. Third, our allies just don't have the chutzpah to help much.

It's important to remember that these ships do not have to be brought up to full capability, they mostly need good enough engines to perform interdiction of cargo ships. Defensive and offensive systems do not have to be organic, they can just be hauled aboard before departure and removed later.

Put this "rust bucket" fleet over a broad area, with modern combat ships in reserve, giving support where needed.

In six months of crash refitting, we could easily add 100 ships suitable for the job.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-16 14:11|| 2006-10-16 14:11|| Front Page Top

#4 As usual, the Chinese giveth, and the Chinese taketh away. Note that they're putting out BS about supporting a coup. There is no PR like Chinese PR.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-10-16 14:34|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-10-16 14:34|| Front Page Top

#5 And where, pray tell, Moose would you find the 50,000 extra trained personnel to man these ships in 6 months?

Posted by Dreadnought 2006-10-16 15:08|| 2006-10-16 15:08|| Front Page Top

#6 And where, pray tell, Moose would you find the 50,000 extra trained personnel to man these ships in 6 months?

hire us of course, the over ~~the hill~~ board gang...way over! Mess Specialist 4th Class

»:-)

Posted by RD 2006-10-16 15:53|| 2006-10-16 15:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Mess Specialist 4th Class

Do you know how to make the Mystery Meat Surprise? And the brown stuff, the brown stuff was good!

Posted by NoBeards 2006-10-16 16:05|| 2006-10-16 16:05|| Front Page Top

#8 The USN is perfectly capable of handling NORK interdictin without help. The help is for PR purposes.

Posted by Shipman 2006-10-16 17:27|| 2006-10-16 17:27|| Front Page Top

#9 This is bullshit. Anything getting into North Korea has to come from China (we can't stop it with a blockade) or by boat. Boats leave wakes. Wakes that are visible from space in some cases.

Post a sub on each side of the peninsula with orders to confront or sink any ships breaking the declared quarantine and its over. Anyone will risk being borded by the western powers but few will risk being sunk. Stop playing games.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-10-16 17:59|| 2006-10-16 17:59|| Front Page Top

#10 Not sure it's the USN that's getting too thin. More and more it's looking like US and Oz, though Canada may be coming in from the cold.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-16 18:51|| 2006-10-16 18:51|| Front Page Top

#11 RD is right. With all the money saved by using mothballed ships, the vast majority of the crew can be over-the-hill gang who would be more than glad to get good pay to be away from the old lady and wear a somewhat larger uniform again.

Only the bording parties need to be young and strong, though I certainly wouldn't advise any Nork crew to try and take on the old swabs. You never know when they might have brought their cutlasses with them.

The bottom line is for quick quantity of ships, so that if needed, our ships of the line can take off to attend to other business, while leaving the blockade whole.

Giving the geezers enough teeth, as it were, to tear the Norks a new one if they try anything.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-16 19:23|| 2006-10-16 19:23|| Front Page Top

#12 Rather sad to reflect upon "reported" USN surface reduced capability (if valid). Silent Service is energized to the point that they realize we won't utilize their power (i.e., de-energized. Oops. Too many Zzzz,s in there). How did we let ourselves get to this point with all the +O-9's, SES and GS/GM-15's out there? I know. Do you know?

Posted by Asymmetrical Triangulation 2006-10-16 20:45|| 2006-10-16 20:45|| Front Page Top

#13 I know. Do you know?

No. Oh, Tammy tell me ture.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-16 20:51|| 2006-10-16 20:51|| Front Page Top

#14 Cuz they've gotta contend with all the PCBS. And, that must be ture because we seem to be getting just a tad bit less aggressive/assertive and more politicized these days. What say You, Hon?

Posted by Asymmetrical Triangulation 2006-10-16 21:22|| 2006-10-16 21:22|| Front Page Top

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