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2006-09-03 India-Pakistan

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Posted by john 2006-09-03 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 From Yesterday

[..] So in short, we're sitting around making snarky statements about a massive victory for the guys who did 9/11 and a massive defeat for us?
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman|| 2006-09-02 17:04 Top||

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In Baluchistan, the Pakistani Army is directly subverting the traditional rule of the tribal chiefs.
In Waziristan, it is being done by their proxies - the Taliban. Talibs are killing the tribal leaders at will now.

Both are for the same reason... the tribal chiefs will be far more accommodating to American and western armed forces hunting Taliban.

By replacing the tribal chiefs with mullahs, the ISI hopes to keep control over the regions and limit American activities.

It is essential for Pakistan to keep their jihad infrastructure intact and maintain the wars they fight in Afghanistan and Indian Kashmir.
Posted by: john|| 2006-09-02 16:00 Top||

"Now Mujahideen (Pakistani Taliban), Ulemas (clerics) and the Mishran (tribal elders) are at one forum and are aiming to develop an indigenous system to run the region without the intervention of the Pakistan Army, Mahmudul Hasan told Adnkronos International (AKI).

According to local sources, the gathering which has been called the largest-ever in the history of both North and South Waziristan, is part of a strategy to counter any moves by US-led coalitions forces to target the two Waziristans in fresh attacks as part of their war on terror.
Posted by: john|| 2006-09-02 17:33 Top||

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John

Just wondering since I've followed events in Pak/Wazoo/A-Stan/Baloch fairly closely the last few years..

Since the Karzai gubmint, vis-à-vis 'The Treacherous Perv and the ISI', clearly had mutual interests with Akbar Bugti and the Balouchis, have you knowledge of any contacts between Bugti & Karzai & the USA? Or was Akbar Bugti sophisticated enough work with Karzai or get him to work something out with the Americans/coalition so that all three could work for the common goal of putting down the Taliban together?

[I only hope our rotten to the core State Dept/CIA didn't help kill off another potential great Humint asset in order to please Perv.]

Wikipedia, Balochistan Liberation Army

already updated. 'and now nawab akbar bugti has been killed'

Posted by RD 2006-09-03 03:14|| 2006-09-03 03:14|| Front Page Top

#2 Nawab Bugti (and the Marri, who comprise the majority of the fighters ) almost certainly was receiving foreign support.

Iran? Doubtful since a strong Baloch insurgency directly threatens their own Balochistan and opens the way to US forces operating freely just across that border.

India? Almost certainly. There are reports of RAW contacts.
Afghanistan? Certainly.

The Pak complaints about Indo-Afghan support are not baseless.

The US ? Possibly.

One interesting point is the release of one of the young Marri heirs by the UAE government. Pak wanted him but the UAE ignored them.
India has in the past been quite unsucessful in persuading UAE to do anything. Afghanistan has no clout. Only the USA has that sort of pull there.
India has gotten terrorist accused transferred from the UAE after a call to the Secretary of State who read the riot act to the UAE.
Why would the UAE release Marri unless it was on the behest of a powerful country?

Bugti died because he was careless, giving interviews to Western and Indian journalists on his sat phone. His bodyguards had no fire discipline, opening fire on the recon gunships sent to confirm his location and giving the game away.

It is ironic that Pak used the elint equipment and guided missiles given to them by the US to track the sat phones of Taliban and Al Qaeda to kill Bugti.

They've never used that equipment against any Al Qaeda or high level taliban.

Posted by john 2006-09-03 07:54|| 2006-09-03 07:54|| Front Page Top

#3 John,

Bugti died because he was careless, giving interviews to Western and Indian journalists on his sat phone. His bodyguards had no fire discipline, opening fire on the recon gunships sent to confirm his location and giving the game away.

"sophisticated" was a poor choice of words on my part...perhaps pride [hubris] prevented Akbar Khan Bugti from seeking closer alliances with the Pashtuns [Karzai] or the USA? ..or maybe he considered India a more reliable/loyal ally?

lots of juicy tid-bits to chew on John, many thanks.

Posted by RD 2006-09-03 12:02|| 2006-09-03 12:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Meanwhile, we hear crickets from the Western media on one of the most interesting stories of international intrigue in years.

Again, hail and farewell, warrior Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2006-09-03 12:02|| 2006-09-03 12:02|| Front Page Top

#5 ..or maybe he considered India a more reliable/loyal ally?

RD, maybe India simply was a more reliable/loyal ally.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-09-03 13:28|| 2006-09-03 13:28|| Front Page Top

#6 How long will Pakistan's shiny new toys from America last, once the warrantee has run out?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-03 21:02|| 2006-09-03 21:02|| Front Page Top

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