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2006-07-10 Home Front: Culture Wars
Slavery Reparations Gaining Momentum
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Posted by Frank G 2006-07-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I'm still waiting for them to go after (a) the Muslims that are trading slaves today and (b) the Mulsims and African tribes that sold the slaves to whitey in the first place.

Until you show concern over those issues you are not worried about redressing wrongs but about cashing in.
Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz  2006-07-10 00:29|| rjschwarz.com]">[rjschwarz.com]  2006-07-10 00:29|| Front Page Top

#2 Good point.

I expect to see Jesse Jackson and Al pop up in this anytime now.
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-07-10 00:44||   2006-07-10 00:44|| Front Page Top

#3 If they feel so strongly about it, Katrina Browne and the Episcopalians can pony up.

Posted by DoDo 2006-07-10 00:57||   2006-07-10 00:57|| Front Page Top

#4  the DeWolfs of Bristol, R.I., the biggest slave-trading family in U.S. history

Why do they hate Dutch farmers?
Posted by Besoeker 2006-07-10 01:49||   2006-07-10 01:49|| Front Page Top

#5 So long as reparations consist solely of exchanging one's US citizenship for a one-way ticket to whatever nation the reparee believes will treat them more fairly I'm all for it.
Posted by AzCat 2006-07-10 02:17||   2006-07-10 02:17|| Front Page Top

#6 IIRC, which I probably don't, Mr. Jacques Heers, a noted french historian, estimated the western slave trade at about 11 millions individuals; arab slave trade was about 17 millions (and the whole economy was built on it), while intra-african slave trade was over 23 millions.

Regarding the arab slave trade, mortality in transit was about 80% (compared to the very high 20% for slave ships, african missionaries in the 19th had a saying it was easy following the traditional slave trails there, because one had only to follow the open human bones graves), and while the western civilization was the ONLY one to ever voluntary cease slavery, the arab trade halted in its massive form (it continues hidden to this day) only thanks to colonization; this was one of the motive behind colonization, by the way.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-07-10 02:29||   2006-07-10 02:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Wasn't slavery in the Americas, an English imperial innovation? Send the bill to Tony Blair.

Posted by Anginens Threreng8133 2006-07-10 02:46||   2006-07-10 02:46|| Front Page Top

#8 We all inherit responsibility.

Uh, no. Not so fast, white girl. My family has only been here since just before World War I. The parts of Europe that they came from had nothing to do with the slave trade, either.

If you are feeling particularily guilty, Ms Browne, that's your issue. My conscience is just fine, thank you very much.

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-07-10 06:36|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2006-07-10 06:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Ms. Browne needs to do pennance at a ZimBobwe war veterans farm. As for the rest, your choice of oneway ticket to Congo, Somalia or Zim.
Posted by ed 2006-07-10 07:01||   2006-07-10 07:01|| Front Page Top

#10 A morality that makes one guilty of the sins of ones ancestors is an abomination and an atrocity. It is not moral or just in any way, manner, shape, or form, and those who say or claim otherwise are morally warped themselves.
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-07-10 08:08|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-07-10 08:08|| Front Page Top

#11 I have English ancestry, and I think some of them were enslaved by Caesar or one of those other old Roman guys, so I think the Italians owe me some money. A small estate in Tuscany would do just fine.
Posted by glenmore">glenmore  2006-07-10 08:20||   2006-07-10 08:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Also in June, a North Carolina commission urged the state government to repay the descendants of victims of a violent 1898 campaign by white supremacists to strip blacks of power in Wilmington, N.C. As many as 60 blacks died, and thousands were driven from the city.

Bill the party responsible -- they're still around. Look up "Democrats" in the phonebook.

Wasn't slavery in the Americas, an English imperial innovation?

More likely Spanish.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-07-10 08:21|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-07-10 08:21|| Front Page Top

#13 Even if we accepted every premise of the "repatriation movement," there would still be no possibility of payoff.

After all, a "thief" can't make restitution with "stolen" property, can he?

I.E. there is another ethnic group that is owed everything, and who African-Americans profited from (see the 9th and 10th Cavalry) and who suffered everything they did first and worst...
Posted by Ernest Brown 2006-07-10 08:22|| saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]">[saturninretrograde.blogspot.com]  2006-07-10 08:22|| Front Page Top

#14 I.E. there is another ethnic group that is owed everything, and who African-Americans profited from (see the 9th and 10th Cavalry) and who suffered everything they did first and worst...

Eh. There was a guy who might be a distant relative of mine who was burnt at the stake by the Miamis. One of my great-great-grandfathers was a Cherokee.

Should I just slip myself some cash?
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-07-10 08:30|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-07-10 08:30|| Front Page Top

#15 Sure! (G)
Posted by Ernest Brown 2006-07-10 08:52||   2006-07-10 08:52|| Front Page Top

#16 Every year, lots of black taxpayers are suckered into a now-common scam, variants of which say that they can withold some amount of money from their income taxes, or demand a refund from the IRS for reparations. But it has fallen from their "dirty dozen" list of scams:

http://tinyurl.com/9x4yb

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-07-10 09:02||   2006-07-10 09:02|| Front Page Top

#17 Over 250,000 white federal soldiers died for the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendment. Debt paid in blood. Do an extrapolation of the casualties and the period population against say 1970 and the Vietnam period data. An amazing bill paid. And Jim Crow? Just stand behind the Chinese and other Asians who had similar treatment, but who haven't played the victim game. BTW, how are their children doing in schools and employment these days?
Posted by Theresh Thrinenter5301 2006-07-10 09:14||   2006-07-10 09:14|| Front Page Top

#18 Slavery reparations are complete and utter bullpucky. Just about any group in the U.S. could make similar claims, Chinese, Irish, Native Americans, etc. These folks are trying to cash in on a cash cow gravy train. They need to quit this "cottage industry" of victimhood. People need to think of themselves as Americans first and whatever their origins are second.
Posted by JohnQC 2006-07-10 09:14||   2006-07-10 09:14|| Front Page Top

#19 The victimization of america needs to stop. The buther's bill was already paid. Now shut up, grow up and buck up. Look in the mirror to see who is keeping blacks down nowdays. I't ain't whitie, that is for sure.

(and for the record I'm Irish-scottish-Cherokee, the european part arrived after the potoato famine so I ain't done nottin' to blackie)
Posted by DarthVader 2006-07-10 09:19||   2006-07-10 09:19|| Front Page Top

#20 Everytime a black American talks reparations and what has white men ever done for them. I always tell them to go to Gettysburg, Bull Run 1 and 2, Antietiem, Fedricksburg and any other battle during the civil war and read the names of the northern soldiers who died to free slaves that usually shuts them up.
Posted by djohn66 2006-07-10 09:52||   2006-07-10 09:52|| Front Page Top

#21 Hey, if you can find any slave owners, have at it. Just don't try and bill me, because I've been known to spit.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-07-10 09:55||   2006-07-10 09:55|| Front Page Top

#22 sooooo... once the descendants of black slaves get their reward, or whatever beads and whiskey these hucksters plan to throw at them, how are they going to properly compensate the Indians? I mean, ultimately, the Indians have the final trump card here. How can you take what rightfully belongs to the Indians and give it to the slaves of the people who stole it from the Indians. I'm so confused!
Posted by 2b 2006-07-10 10:03||   2006-07-10 10:03|| Front Page Top

#23 ah Ernest Brown - looks like you beat me to it :-)
Posted by 2b 2006-07-10 10:04||   2006-07-10 10:04|| Front Page Top

#24 Don't forget the Neandrathals!
Posted by CrazyFool 2006-07-10 10:39||   2006-07-10 10:39|| Front Page Top

#25 The Jooooooooooooooos should pay!
Posted by 6 2006-07-10 10:48||   2006-07-10 10:48|| Front Page Top

#26 This whole scam is to keep the negros voting democrat.
Posted by wxjames 2006-07-10 10:48||   2006-07-10 10:48|| Front Page Top

#27 I like what Ptah has to say in 10.

Accountability for one’s own actions-not being laden with another’s burdens.
***

Tell me, what realizable price wouldn’t insult the recipients? What would enough compensation for my great grandpa to have enslaved your great grandpa and great grandma be?

And I would love to see the math in these “proposals”-what is the total sum estimated for adequate and just reparations nationwide? Then, who will determine who owes this huge sum? How will that sum be raised?

I think the best thing we can do is acknowledge what was wrong in the past and behave as decent people now. If we see racism in action before us, we should call it out.

When can we start living like race really doesn’t matter?
Posted by Jules 2006-07-10 10:51||   2006-07-10 10:51|| Front Page Top

#28 Yep, I can't wait to pay the most free, most educated, and most wealthy black folks on the planet more handout money. These people advocating this crap are not truly patriots as they are trying to steal from other Americans.

I've been around the global mudball a few times *visiting* third-world shit holes and have come to a few realizations on race and poverty:

If you own a car, you ain't poor. If you have air conditioning, you ain't poor. If you are obese, you are not truly poor (maybe only in spirit and that is on you). If you own cable, you ain't poor. Race irrespective - If you decide to use drugs, have children out of wedlock, drop out of school, or just choose to act like a general shit bag - then those are your personal decisions. I apologize to no man for what happened before my birth and without my culpability or for their own present stupidities and lack of self-discipline. Slavery has been dead about 143 years, Jim Crow about 44 yrs, get over it. You are not helping our country. If that makes me a insensitive racist, I can live w/that.

I'm not going to ask the Brit gov't to repay me for their lack of humanity toward my ancestors. Actually I'd like to thank them for *pushing* my great-grandfather into coming to the states. Best thing that ever happened to our clan. God Bless America.
Posted by Broadhead6 2006-07-10 11:22||   2006-07-10 11:22|| Front Page Top

#29 Where all my free shiat at?
Posted by Spike Lee 2006-07-10 11:26||   2006-07-10 11:26|| Front Page Top

#30 I am full agreement that we should pay reparations. Now if someone can prove that they (not their ancestors) were born into slavery I think we should give then a new pony. If you were born post Civil War then you don’t get a pony, you get squat. You can however take advantage of being a citizen in a country that allows you to go from rags to riches based solely on your ambition and not your social status, skin color, or religious affiliation (or lack thereof). This issue is gaining momentum like the anti-war movement is gaining momentum (that is strictly in the Mo0nb@+ fringe).
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-07-10 11:41||   2006-07-10 11:41|| Front Page Top

#31 Even though I don't live in the US, I'm sure I'm entitled to reparation, as some of my relatives back in the 1600's would surely have been transported as slaves to the America's
Posted by tipper 2006-07-10 11:43||   2006-07-10 11:43|| Front Page Top

#32 But Tipper, this is different. Slavery caused the Black Americans irrecoverable harm. It’s not like the good times of the Gaul’s, Brits, Spaniards, and Germans had under Romans Rule. Or those happy-go-lucky days the Jews and Africans had living under the kind Egyptian Kings. The Blacks in early America obviously had some real hard times because it lasted long after they were freed.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-07-10 12:15||   2006-07-10 12:15|| Front Page Top

#33 The momentum grinds to a halt at Rantburg!
Posted by JohnQC 2006-07-10 12:25||   2006-07-10 12:25|| Front Page Top

#34 you know i,ve never met someone who was actually a slave.
Posted by Greamp Elmavinter1163 2006-07-10 12:35||   2006-07-10 12:35|| Front Page Top

#35  you know i,ve never met someone who was actually a slave.

Visit Saudi or Sudan.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-10 12:37||   2006-07-10 12:37|| Front Page Top

#36 My family didn't get here until the late 30's. Came from Ireland and Wales, not a slave to be found in either place. So, we don't all inherit guilt, just you.
Posted by Thomogum Ebbaiter3199 2006-07-10 14:00||   2006-07-10 14:00|| Front Page Top

#37 Now the fun part will come when the 400 billion are divided up amongst who be who lines.

Now my grandgranny was a Beautiful Mullatto Creek Indian, so I don't get any dough. But maybe my 1st cousins thrice times removed who are decended from my same grandgranny the Beautiful Mullato Creek Indian can get a chunk.

This is gonna be exciting and maybe enriching.
Posted by 6 2006-07-10 14:29||   2006-07-10 14:29|| Front Page Top

#38 If these folks want an all-out race war that makes the civil war, reconstruction and Jim Crow look like a sunday school picnic, I can think of nothing better than to cram 'reparations' down our throats.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-07-10 15:02||   2006-07-10 15:02|| Front Page Top

#39 Should the reparations folks bill the heirs of Lyndon Johnson for the damage done to the black family and blacks in general by the War on Poverty? The Great Society, through its destruction of the black family by enabling and encouraging single motherhood to the point that in some parts of the country more than 70% of black children are born bastards, has more than offset the gains of the Civil Rights movement. Democrats going to pony up?
Posted by RWV 2006-07-10 15:10||   2006-07-10 15:10|| Front Page Top

#40 The only real discrimination in the US today is against Asians. Almost all universities have quotas restricting the number of Asians so that, for reasons of diversity, there will be some slots left for whites, blacks, and native Americans. Asians succeed because they have nuclear families in which parents inculcate their children with the values of hard work and honor.
Posted by RWV 2006-07-10 15:18||   2006-07-10 15:18|| Front Page Top

#41 Slavery Reparations Gaining the Big Mo:

So does this mean that Randall Robinson will return to the States from his self-imposed exiled in the Caribbean?
Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-07-10 16:09|| http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]">[http://www.michaelcalderonscall.com/HomePage.asp]  2006-07-10 16:09|| Front Page Top

#42 #40. There is discrimination (often subtle) against middle-age white guys in universities today. This discrimination manifests in hiring policies.
Posted by JohnQC 2006-07-10 17:33||   2006-07-10 17:33|| Front Page Top

#43 I put in a bill for reparations with the Tsar for taking the lands of my Russian Jewish farmer ancestors. I sent copies to the Kremlin and at the Tsar's summer home. They both came back:

Return to Sender
Address Unknown
No Such Number
No Such Zone

Ima sh!t outta luck, and Putin sez he is not responsible for the previous proprieter.
Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul  2006-07-10 20:13||   2006-07-10 20:13|| Front Page Top

#44 My Slavic ancestors were enslaved by practically everyone at one time or another. Including Africans, via trade with Arabs and Mongols, among others.

Just look at the first four letters in the word "slave". Coincidence? Uh uh.

Meanwhile, my parents came to this country about a century after emancipation.

If anything, African-Amereicans owe me reparations.
Posted by Graviper Angolurt7273 2006-07-10 20:18||   2006-07-10 20:18|| Front Page Top

#45 Lunacy worthy of Chirac.
Posted by Wheang Spavirong9833 2006-07-10 20:27||   2006-07-10 20:27|| Front Page Top

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