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2005-08-28 -Short Attention Span Theater-

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Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-28 02:15|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Y'all down on Louisiana are in our thoughts and prayers. Get to high ground NOW, okay?

New Orleans is almost under water in the best of times ... can't imagine how much damage flooding and rains from a hurricane would bring, but if the levees give out .....

Posted by lotp 2005-08-28 09:08|| 2005-08-28 09:08|| Front Page Top

#2 I've evacuated to Mississippi. This is not looking good.

Posted by Matt 2005-08-28 09:20|| 2005-08-28 09:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Matt?

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 09:20|| 2005-08-28 09:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Ah! There you are! Good, keep moving west.

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 09:21|| 2005-08-28 09:21|| Front Page Top

#5 lotp-

More than a couple forecasters are now saying that a worst-case scenario - Cat 5, direct hit at high tide - could put New Orleans under 45 feet of water. The human and material costs will be bad enough. What we've never seen before is a major metropolitan area essentially taken off the map. Repairing it will be a task unlike anything ever tried in our history, and paying for it will break the bank. The environmental damage will be catastrophic, and the effects on the economy will literally reverberate for a decade. I am praying that this thing somehow misses New Orleans and goes ashore somewhere else.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-28 09:39|| 2005-08-28 09:39|| Front Page Top

#6 Category 5, sustained winds 160. NOAA advisory here.

Discussion of annular hurricanes, why Katrina may be one, and why they're much more dangerous than normal hurricanes.

(I'd never heard of an "annular" hurricane before. My reaction? Holy Shiite! Good luck, Gulf Coast.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2005-08-28 10:14|| http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com]">[http://www.ariellestjohndesigns.com] 2005-08-28 10:14|| Front Page Top

#7 IIRTC,large parts of N.Orleans are 30' or more below the level of the Miss.River.Expect the city to get washed away.

Posted by raptor 2005-08-28 10:32|| 2005-08-28 10:32|| Front Page Top

#8 Phil Fraering update?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 10:45|| 2005-08-28 10:45|| Front Page Top

#9 winds are now 175 mph sustained - coastal water's 90 degrees plus, feeding this beast. Hopes and prayers for N.O. and Miss.....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 10:46|| 2005-08-28 10:46|| Front Page Top

#10 Thanks to all for the good wishes..

Posted by Matt 2005-08-28 10:55|| 2005-08-28 10:55|| Front Page Top

#11 This is all Bush's fault because he didn't sign Kyoto.

I have nothing against the people in Biloxi or Mobile, but I think it would be less of a disaster if she hit over there.

Perhaps we need to get a bunch of liberal blow-hards out there to try to push her off to the side.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-08-28 12:39|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-08-28 12:39|| Front Page Top

#12 I remember a long story on NPR a couple of years ago, where they interviewed the usual experts (FEMA disaster recovery, civil engineer)about how vulnerable New Orleans would be to being slammed square on by a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane. Since much of the town is below sea level, any storm surge that went over the top of the levees (in addition to rain already falling!)would simply fill up the city, as if it were a sink with the faucet running full-blast. The delta and the mangove swamps between the city and the open gulf used to serve as a buffer zone and shock absorber for the city when a hurricane came up from the gulf, but with the dredging, straightening and clearing over the last decades... that buffer is gone. The crux of the story was that the city would be under 45 feet of water and there was f***-all anyone could do. Except get out. Get. Out. Now. And don't look back.

Posted by Sgt. Mom">Sgt. Mom 2005-08-28 12:53|| www.sgtstryker.com]">[www.sgtstryker.com] 2005-08-28 12:53|| Front Page Top

#13 The hurricane's forward speed is one to two mph slower now, which would give some extra time for procrastinators to leave NOW!!! I pray that everyone gets out. Please don't ride this one out. Residents in NO say they survived Camille, but here is the problem, Camille didn't go through NO and was a much smaller storm.

IMO, this will be such a destruction, that if this city is rebuilt, it will probably be called by a different name. The experts are predicting 50% refinery destruction, hundreds/thousands dead, and remember the Superdome can only handle 200mph winds. The winds are expected to hit 190mph overnight with 240mph gusts.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 13:37|| 2005-08-28 13:37|| Front Page Top

#14 My daughter's boyfriend and his family left this morning from Metairie and NO, in seperate vehicles. He is outside the city now, but the going is very slow. I offered him the guest room here in San Antonio, if he could get out to the west, but the traffic on I-10 going out to the west is horrendous, and he didn't even want to try. He's trying for Atlanta, and to meet up with his parents. My daughter can reach him on his cellphone, but he can't call out, everything is so overloaded.

Posted by Sgt. Mom">Sgt. Mom 2005-08-28 14:07|| www.sgtstryker.com]">[www.sgtstryker.com] 2005-08-28 14:07|| Front Page Top

#15 IIRC actually avg's 16' under water....still a "problem" if you aren't equipped with gills

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 14:37|| 2005-08-28 14:37|| Front Page Top

#16 Oh, dear God...:

From the National Weather Service:
NWS outlines grim forecast of devastion expected across area
The National Weather Service has issued a special statement outlining the damage that might be caused if Hurricane Katrina makes landfall as a strong Category 4 or Category 5 storm.

âMost of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer,â says the statement. âAt least one-half of well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed.

The statement says the majority of industrial buildings will become ânon-functional,â with partial or complete wall and roof failure.

âAll wood-framed low-rising apartments will sustain major damage, including some wall and roof failure,â the statement said. âConcrete block low-rise apartments will sustain major damage, including some wall and roof failure.â

The statement says high-rise office and apartment buildings will sway dangerously, âa few to the point of total collapse.â And all their windows will blow out.

Airborne debris will be widespread, and may include heavy items â household appliances and light cars and trucks âand even sport utility vehicles and trucks will be moved.

âThe blown debris will create additional destruction,â the statement said. âPersons, pets and livestock exposed to the winds will face certain death if struck.â

Power outages will last for weeks because most power poles will be down and transformers will be destroyed. Most trees will be snapped or uprooted and even the heartiest, if they survive, will be stripped of all leaves.

www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp
/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_08.html#074533

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-28 14:40|| 2005-08-28 14:40|| Front Page Top

#17 FEMA is predicting:

They are preparing for up to 20,000 dead, 100,00 injured, 2.3 Million homeless, and breakdown of basic services for up to 8 weeks.

Personally, FEMA is known for being politically correct. I suggest that everyone at least double FEMA's numbers in this situation.

More news...The latest Vortex recon is measuring 902mb of pressure. This means, although not reported yet, the winds will catch up to the pressure and when it does, the sustained speed is officially in the 190's mph.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 14:47|| 2005-08-28 14:47|| Front Page Top

#18 UPDATE: I-10 is apparently gridlocked badly for about 30 miles out of town. The city government is urging those with no transportation to head for the Superdome, which actually sits some distance above sea level, and is able to withstand winds of approximately 150 mph.

Katrina's max gusts have been measured at 210 mph.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-28 14:59|| 2005-08-28 14:59|| Front Page Top

#19 A chilling report from NWS:

NWS WARNS IN CHILLING STATEMENT: "MOST
OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS... PERHAPS LONGER... THE
MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL... HIGH RISE
OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY... A FEW TO THE POINT
OF TOTAL COLLAPSE... ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT... AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE
WIDESPREAD... AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND
EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES... SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE
MOVED... POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS... AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE
DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED... WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN
SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS... NEW ORLEANS MAYOR: "EVERY
PERSON IN THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS IS HEREBY ORDERED TO LEAVE THE CITY"...

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 15:41|| 2005-08-28 15:41|| Front Page Top

#20 I had heard 160 mph winds this morning, and now recently heard 175 mph winds. If this hits NO directly, there won't be much left. Early this morning (at 160 mph), models were showing 20-25 feet of storm surge; and the NO mayor was on Fox News saying most of the levee system is only 7 feet above sea level. If it hits w/ higher winds, higher surge and at high tide, look out!

Posted by BA 2005-08-28 15:57|| 2005-08-28 15:57|| Front Page Top

#21 Ahh, you guys are just trying to cheer me up.

Posted by Matt 2005-08-28 16:11|| 2005-08-28 16:11|| Front Page Top

#22 The good news is that New Orleans' population is famed for its' law abidding citizenry.

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 16:21|| 2005-08-28 16:21|| Front Page Top

#23 Matt,

Words can't describe it. This is Biblical. The Superdome is almost full and there are predictions that the first or second level of the Superdome may get flooded. If it does, it becomes a cesspool. Where do you move 60K people from there?

What's worse? FEMA is playing down the senario. There are reports of 50ft waves in the center. Guess which city is in the center, so far? There are still lots of people stuck on freeways, they are about to close contra flow, and no one is stressing the destruction in Miss.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 16:21|| 2005-08-28 16:21|| Front Page Top

#24 Ima worried about the Audobon Zoo, hope they got most of the critters out. Except for the ducks, I expect they'll be fine.

Posted by Peter Finch 2005-08-28 16:25|| 2005-08-28 16:25|| Front Page Top

#25 Ignore #19. It's a duplicate from Mike on #16.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 16:26|| 2005-08-28 16:26|| Front Page Top

#26 The worst personal story I've heard so far is:a wife wants to leave, the husband doesn't. They live in a low-lying area. She left; if she see him alive again it will be a miracle.

Posted by Matt 2005-08-28 16:35|| 2005-08-28 16:35|| Front Page Top

#27 On LFG, there's a long thread going on: one of the minions is a guy whose nick is Bayou King--- he is fairly safe, apparently, but sticking close to NO, because his brother, sister-in-law and 6 month old niece are staying at the hospital where the brother is an ER physician. The brother and his family won't leave, and Bayou King is climbing the walls out of frustration.
A couple of years ago, I read "Isaac's Storm", about the Galveston hurricane in 1900. If I ever had an inclination to stick around for a hurricane party--- which I don't after sitting out a typhoon in Japan in about 1978--- that would have cured me of it. Just reading about what happens when 180MPH winds begin to blow around roof tiles, tree branches and other debris, and what it is like to sit in a house while the wind and the storm surge pound it to pieces around you and your children is enough to give you the cold shivers.

Posted by Sgt. Mom">Sgt. Mom 2005-08-28 16:48|| www.sgtstryker.com]">[www.sgtstryker.com] 2005-08-28 16:48|| Front Page Top

#28 TWC just reported winds reduced to 165mph. Don't believe that nonsense. The pressure is still 902mb. This thing will grow (speed) massive at night when the clouds cool on top. I will believe the reduction in speed when I hear an increase in pressure. Then again, 165mph is nothing to cheer about.

I hear that there are lots of people on Bourbon St. having a hurricane party and refusing to leave. If you see them on TV today, take a good look, you won't probably see them ever again.

Also, there are reports of the possibility floating coffins after the hurricane. Currently, people are buried on top of hills, in NO. This place is going to be one disease infested place. CDC is just now making preparations. What a joke, the CDC?

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 16:59|| 2005-08-28 16:59|| Front Page Top

#29 If Katrina hits New Orleans dead on or just to the West of NO, that city will make every disaster movie of the past 30 years look pleasant. Floating corpses, raw sewage, toxic wastes, terrified cottonmouths-coral snakes-fire ants-rats-dogs trying get out of the water, 45 foot of flood water in the town itself : Hitchcock and Irwin Allen could not have made a more horrific disaster scenario.
If you stay there, you will die.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-08-28 17:10|| 2005-08-28 17:10|| Front Page Top

#30 I have nothing against the people in Biloxi or Mobile, but I think it would be less of a disaster if she hit over there.

Gee thanks, I live in Mobile. My Brother's in Biloxi.

Where do you live so I can steer it that way? ;-)Maybe we can get Ted Kennedy to make an appearance in the Big Easy and speechify it back to the mid-Atlantic. (Big Grin)

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 17:26|| 2005-08-28 17:26|| Front Page Top

#31 RJ,

Since you live in Mobile, you've just been issued a tornado warning.

In other news...I've seen satellite motion time lapse this morning and I saw tornados forming and dissapating around the NW quadrant of the eye wall. I have never seen that before. TV coverage haven't mentioned it yet.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 17:37|| 2005-08-28 17:37|| Front Page Top

#32 Rednsck Jim, I have an Aunt and a couple of cousins in Mobile. I hope ya'll stay safe.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-08-28 17:58|| 2005-08-28 17:58|| Front Page Top

#33 If you stay there, you will die.

Funny thing is, or maybe it ain't funny, some news orgs are gonna try and ride it out. CNN has some guy in the French quarter. Talk about dying to tell the story. Even Dan Rather is staying away from this one.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-28 17:59|| 2005-08-28 17:59|| Front Page Top

#34 pray fore em big easy, and ima sujest yallz go filler up yore gas tanks today.

lord help us. :(

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:03|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:03|| Front Page Top

#35 goddamit tho! thisn gonna meen im gonner miss all em aruban nyoos.

>:(

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:04|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:04|| Front Page Top

#36 Oil will go to $70+ on this and may well trigger a recession.

Posted by phil_b 2005-08-28 18:07|| 2005-08-28 18:07|| Front Page Top

#37 I think we'll be fine, we're well away from downtown (The low areas) and winds should be mainly from the east, I forse much water and no real danger, we have big steel doors to close the tunnel under the river, and the causeway always floods, but we just avoid the downtown area and wait.

We're going to be on the fringes, some wind (60-70 about a good hard thunderstorm) and much rain, maybe lose power, but no biggie.

As humor, the newscrews have the spots marked where the waves and wind always gust really picturesque, just look for the newscaster in the wind-flapped poncho (Big floppy ponchos are required) and that's about twice as bad looking as it really is.

Right now we have no wind or rain, a few light showers so far, and nothing happening.

I'm watching the radar, all is well.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 18:12|| 2005-08-28 18:12|| Front Page Top

#38 Fox had a gentleman point out that there are approximately 9 petroleum refineries in the path of Katrina. I think that we may fondly look back on $3/gallon gasoline. You can always buy more oil, but there are no more refineries. We may have to jettison the EPA regulations and buy gasoline whereever we can get it.

Posted by RWV 2005-08-28 18:15|| 2005-08-28 18:15|| Front Page Top

#39 //I hear that there are lots of people on Bourbon St. having a hurricane party and refusing to leave. If you see them on TV today, take a good look, you won't probably see them ever again. //

evolushen marches on.

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:22|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:22|| Front Page Top

#40 Although I don't pray, I'm sorta praying for Pascale's Manale, Brennan's, and Antoine's. The people can leave (assuming a modicum of intelligence), these landmarks can't. There used to be a restaurant across from the Battleship Texas which had a mark on the wall (2nd story dining room) not far from the ceiling where the water level had pegged during Hurricane Carla... I wonder if there will be a new green tile line added at Brennan's to mark the high-water point for Katrina. Given the storm surge numbers being bandied about in breathless tones (Â±25 ft), they might need to add a pole to the roof to mark it.

I love Nawleans. I hope it's still around next week. You Cajuns will be welcome, only temporarily of course, over in Texas. Now git.

Posted by .com 2005-08-28 18:22|| 2005-08-28 18:22|| Front Page Top

#41 Also, there are reports of the possibility floating coffins after the hurricane. Currently, people are buried on top of hills, in NO

LOL! Hills? Buried?

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 18:23|| 2005-08-28 18:23|| Front Page Top

#42 ...Get this: Entry into the Superdome is blocked while they search EVERYBODY for booze and weapons....

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2005-08-28 18:25|| 2005-08-28 18:25|| Front Page Top

#43 saints needer nyoo home?

Posted by City of Los Angeles 2005-08-28 18:28|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:28|| Front Page Top

#44 Well, Galveston was essentially erased from the map in 1900, and it was rebuilt. They raised the level of the city 17 feet by dredging and lifting houses, and built a seawall to keep the ocean out. New Orleans can rebuild, but it's going to cost a bundle.

The big deal is if the Superdome can withstand the hurricane or not. If it crumbles, 80,000 people will die. The only possible good news is that the people going to the Superdome for refuge are incredibly stupid not to leave the city.

Posted by gromky">gromky 2005-08-28 18:32|| http://communistposters.com/]">[http://communistposters.com/] 2005-08-28 18:32|| Front Page Top

#45 Anyone interested here's a few very good free real-time animated weather radar stations.

In short this is the feed that the newscastrers get, so you can see it here before it's on TV.

Mobile Area

Mobile area

New Orleans

New Orleans

And an all-inclusive multi-radar/Satelite view , Warning, it's huge and slow to download, but really great.This one is the best of the lot.

http://www.ih2000.net/ira/bmt-wth.htm

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 18:32|| 2005-08-28 18:32|| Front Page Top

#46 whoa! blog esploshen!

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:34|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:34|| Front Page Top

#47 or kant gromky

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:35|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:35|| Front Page Top

#48 Now that's interesting, wonder just why it blew up so big?

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 18:42|| 2005-08-28 18:42|| Front Page Top

#49 note to self:

kep an eye owt on redneck jim as hez pakin ied's. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 18:45|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 18:45|| Front Page Top

#50 Redneck Jim, the width exploded because you pasted a URL (link) without using the full html for making a clickable link. Instructions on how to do that here.

Posted by lotp 2005-08-28 18:56|| 2005-08-28 18:56|| Front Page Top

#51 Here's a live webcam on Bourbon Street, the have some cameras out, but camera #3 is working as of 6:08 CDT Sunday.

http://channels.netscape.com/wrap/linker.jsp?turl=http://www.earthcam.com/features/mardigras/2003/cam3.html

And a Streetcar Cam, seems to be stationary.

http://channels.netscape.com/wrap/linker.jsp?turl=http://www.earthcam.com/features/mardigras/2003/cam3.html

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 19:03|| 2005-08-28 19:03|| Front Page Top

#52 Jim, please FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS ABOVE.

The info is interesting but if you keep pasting the URLs this way they will need to be deleted so they don't blow Rantburg for everyone.

Posted by lotp 2005-08-28 19:15|| 2005-08-28 19:15|| Front Page Top

#53 Got it, (I think) use a sharp bracket A in front.

And another reversed sharp bracket at the end

I apologise, I posted the second before reading the instructions.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 19:19|| 2005-08-28 19:19|| Front Page Top

#54 regarding a recession - not likely . Devastation needs to be rebuilt. Fla's construction post hurricane drove their economy. Would rather not have to be so cynical, but there are some effects that can be beneficial. Stay safe all...any word from Fraering? Isn't he a NO boy?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 19:26|| 2005-08-28 19:26|| Front Page Top

#55 RVW wrote:

Fox had a gentleman point out that there are approximately 9 petroleum refineries in the path of Katrina. I think that we may fondly look back on $3/gallon gasoline. You can always buy more oil, but there are no more refineries. We may have to jettison the EPA regulations and buy gasoline whereever we can get it.

Well, you can always buy more oil, but when you aren't drilling for it yourself, suddenly buying it from the Salafists becomes even more expensive. Offshore oil drilling is only allowed in the US off of the states of Alaska, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. About 1/2 of it, at least, is being shut down by the storm, and a significant fraction of it won't be coming back right away.

So I'd expect oil to be going way past fifty dollars a barrel from this.

Maybe allowing offshore drilling in more areas *might* be a good idea?

(Who am I kidding... it took the rest of y'all three and a half years *after* 9/11 to open a small part of ANWR to oil exploration.)

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-28 19:29|| 2005-08-28 19:29|| Front Page Top

#56 Oh, and in case anyone was wondering: I'm OK, except for being irritated by the traffic, my suddenly nonfunctional cellphone, the disaster area the stores have become...

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-28 19:30|| 2005-08-28 19:30|| Front Page Top

#57 I don't know how seriously to take this storm. The weather forecasters may be right this time, but I've watched them cry wolf so many times in the past it isn't funny.

No doubt if this one actually turns out to be as bad as they say they'll use it as a reason to continue to describe every Cat 2 storm as a Cat 5 for the rest of my lifespan...

Later, guys, I gotta put up groceries.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-28 19:32|| 2005-08-28 19:32|| Front Page Top

#58 take care and cover, PF

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 19:42|| 2005-08-28 19:42|| Front Page Top

#59 Devastation needs to be rebuilt.

...and finally an excuse to build bigger, better refineries. And more of them. Further inland though.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-28 19:47|| 2005-08-28 19:47|| Front Page Top

#60 "LOL! Hills? Buried?

Ship,

Due to the vast swamps, NO had to create raised areas or man made (hills) inside the bowl otherwise, trenching or normal marsh land erosion would eventually expose the coffins. The power of this hurricane is reported to expose them.

The fact that you found such minute details, tells me that you read my posts very carefully. I really appreciate that. Someday, I will return the favor.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 19:48|| 2005-08-28 19:48|| Front Page Top

#61 Ummm, no
Farther inland means ships can't unload.
They're where they are for transportation reasons, Highway, Railroad, and ship terminals all converge.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 19:49|| 2005-08-28 19:49|| Front Page Top

#62 PF,

Take care of yourself and your family.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 19:49|| 2005-08-28 19:49|| Front Page Top

#63 PR: I'm in Lafayette, I expect things to be OK.

What family I have in New Orleans has left or was out-of-town to begin with.

(Or is buried there.)

I think what Ship was referring to were the numerous aboveground crypts in the cemeteries of New Orleans.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-28 20:02|| 2005-08-28 20:02|| Front Page Top

#64 Farther inland means ships can't unload.

Ships can't unload if refineries are moved farther inland? I'm sure something can be worked out.

Posted by Rafael 2005-08-28 20:12|| 2005-08-28 20:12|| Front Page Top

#65 Ship,

Please accept my sincere apologies. I thought you were accusing me of not knowing what the hell I was talking about. With all my therapy, I thought I got rid of my insecurity problems. Well, back to the books, I mean scotch.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 20:15|| 2005-08-28 20:15|| Front Page Top

#66 Oil at $70.

Posted by phil_b 2005-08-28 20:18|| 2005-08-28 20:18|| Front Page Top

#67 No problem PR :)
Never get talked into one of those foam filled cheapo coffins and demand only the finest in views.

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 20:25|| 2005-08-28 20:25|| Front Page Top

#68 damn Iglooâ¢ coffins - f*&kers always float

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-28 20:29|| 2005-08-28 20:29|| Front Page Top

#69 I wonder if the cut in oil production in the Gulf will cause the President to open up the Strategic Petrol Reserve. Has access to the SPR has been compromised by the storm?

Posted by Shipman 2005-08-28 20:33|| 2005-08-28 20:33|| Front Page Top

#70 glad yore safe phil. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 20:35|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 20:35|| Front Page Top

#71 Shipman, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve isn't all in one place.

And I'm not sure they should open it even if the storm does cause a surge in prices; I think we need to be prepared for other contingencies as well.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-08-28 20:40|| 2005-08-28 20:40|| Front Page Top

#72 Re recession: I have been saying for some time that there will be a severe recession by end 2005 cos demand for oil is rising much faster than supply and recession is the only way out of this situation.

Hurricane Katrina will not be the cause of a recession, however it is highly likely to be the trigger, in part due to the shutdown of production and the economic fallout from yet higher oil prices.

Posted by phil_b 2005-08-28 20:42|| 2005-08-28 20:42|| Front Page Top

#73 Our Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is stored in huge underground salt caverns along the coastline of the Gulf of Mexico in Texas and Louisana.

1. Bryan Mound, Texas - The Bryan Mound Storage Facility, near Freeport, TX, has storage capacity of 226 million barrels and an inventory of 217 million barrels.

2. Big Hill, Texas - The Big Hill Storage facility near Winnie, TX, has a storage capacity of 160 million barrels and an inventory of 41 million barrels.

3. West Hackberry, Louisiana - The West Hackberry Storage facility in Cameron Parish, Louisiana, has a storage capacity of 219 million barrels and an inventory of 205 million barrels.

4. Bayou Choctaw, Louisiana - The Bayou Choctaw Storage facility in Iberville Parish, LA, has a capacity of 75 million barrels and an inventory of 52 million barrels.

5. Weeks Island, Louisiana - The Weeks Island Storage facility in Iberia Parish, Louisiana, is essentially filled to capacity. (72 million barrels)

6. The St. James Terminal, Louisiana - located 45 miles southeast of Baton Rouge on the Mississippi River, serves the storage facilities at Bayou Choctaw and Weeks Island and is available for both fill and drawdown operations.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 21:42|| 2005-08-28 21:42|| Front Page Top

#74 //demand for oil is rising much faster than supply and recession is the only way out of this situation.//

tell em asstards driveren arownd suv's hood doent need em. ima hate seein em big ole suburbans bein driven rownd by teenaje gerls on their way to skool.

>:(

dady can aford it, hoo gives em krap!

teh rest of us jackass!

Posted by muck4doo 2005-08-28 21:47|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2005-08-28 21:47|| Front Page Top

#75 Sorry, RJ.
It's just that a good friend's mother is in a nursing home in Nwalins. I have no idea where she is now. I hope they evacuated her a day ago, but am worried they waited for the Mandatory.

If you want to send Katrina to Tucson, fine. It would be best if she stayed out to sea, but if it has to hit, it would be best someplace without so many people, with higher ground, and better roads the heck out of there.

Oh, maybe Venezuela would be OK.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-08-28 22:03|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-08-28 22:03|| Front Page Top

#76 This pic will clearly explain the doomsday scenario that may take place.

Once opened up, click in middle to zoom in. This is scary.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-08-28 22:14|| 2005-08-28 22:14|| Front Page Top

#77 Ummm, Rafiel Ships float, wherever you put the terminals has to be at sea level.
Even if you dredge canals far inland the water levels are going to be close to the same (Allowing for tides and riverlevel fluctuation,) the only way that would work is if you installed locks and went very far inland, say to Tennessee.

Nope, just not practical.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-08-28 23:23|| 2005-08-28 23:23|| Front Page Top

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