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2005-07-02 Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Ambassador to UN says Marines killed his kin "in cold blood"
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Posted by .com 2005-07-02 07:54|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Sheesh - "allegedly".
Posted by .com 2005-07-02 08:00||   2005-07-02 08:00|| Front Page Top

#2 the family stored an old rifle filled with blanks

filled with blanks? That's just one unnecessary detail too many.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-02 08:19||   2005-07-02 08:19|| Front Page Top

#3 I bet $10 to Fred's tip jar that the fact the gun was filled with blanks will be a key point.

This detail would lead one a normal, non hysterical person to quickly assume that it was probably something to do with the marines getting a rifle pointed at them and they shot him. But the WAPO and SFCron are eager to tank their circulation with worthless reporting so they can put themseleves out of their misery.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-02 08:31||   2005-07-02 08:31|| Front Page Top

#4 yawn!
Is there anybody who doesn't think this is just too pat a story? They did leave out kicking the kittens and stomping on the flowers as they left. Any mention of why they went there in the first place?......hmmmm
Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough!  2005-07-02 12:13||   2005-07-02 12:13|| Front Page Top

#5 Why is this mother-@#$%^&-er still ambassador!
Obviously he is a Saddam-Sunni.
Posted by Glereper Craviter7929 2005-07-02 12:19||   2005-07-02 12:19|| Front Page Top

#6 Running as a top story on NPR. Anyone listening would "know" that the US Marines are of course guilty of murdering an innocent. They also run another story claiming that an interpreter was killed by a US sniper.

And Congress just renewed their funding?
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-02 12:42||   2005-07-02 12:42|| Front Page Top

#7 GC,
I believe Iraq's prewar UN ambassador was an Al-Douri. Here is the UN bio for Al-Sumaidaie:
Mr. Samir Shakir Mahmood Sumaida'ie was appointed Iraq’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations in July 2004. Prior to his appointment, Ambassador Sumaida'ie served as the Minister of Interior in Baghdad. In this capacity he managed a domestic security force of over 120,000 and made considerable progress in reorganizing and modernizing the Ministry’s operations. In addition, Ambassador Sumaida'ie served as a member of Governing Council (GC) in Iraq. In the GC, he was Chairman of the Media Committee. He played an integral role in the founding of the Iraqi Telecoms and Media Commission and the Public Broadcasting Institution. He also held positions on the Security, Finance, and Foreign Relations Committees.

Prior to the removal of the Baathist regime, Ambassador Sumaida'ie was actively involved in opposition efforts in the United Kingdom and attended a number of high-level conferences throughout the world. As founding member of the Association of Iraqi Democrats and the Democratic Party of Iraq, he is widely renowned as an expert on the political climate in Iraq. ...

Unless Jr. went for a gun, this is bad news. The Al-Sumaidaie clan are the big cheese in Haditha. The ambassador has been supportive of our efforts and had been trying to get other Sunnis to play ball.

Doesn't sound like Mohammed was shot. One of the Marines probably hit him hard enough to kill him.
Posted by ed 2005-07-02 12:47||   2005-07-02 12:47|| Front Page Top

#8 That's just one unnecessary detail too many.
Ima think 2b maybe a cop.
Posted by Shipman 2005-07-02 13:34||   2005-07-02 13:34|| Front Page Top

#9 Unless Jr. went for a gun, this is bad news

led them to his father's bedroom, where the family stored an old rifle filled with blanks,
Posted by 2b 2005-07-02 13:43||   2005-07-02 13:43|| Front Page Top

#10 Unless Jr. went for a gun, this is bad news

led them to his father's bedroom, where the family stored an old rifle filled with blanks,
Posted by 2b 2005-07-02 13:43||   2005-07-02 13:43|| Front Page Top

#11 I am calling bullshit.

#1 Sunni muslim.
#2 That isn't the way a search for weapons is done.
#3 He is a muslim and on the face his word is untrustworthy.

I am guessing the nephew pulled a gun.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-02 13:55||   2005-07-02 13:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Since some folks in RB were kind enough to share sites that explained Taqqiya and Kitman to me, I think one must always start from a premise of bullshit when dealing with Muslims. An evangelical religion, whose tenants and doctrine openly speak of forced conversion and dominion over the world, and whick advocated lies as utterly consistent with the advancement of their faith, what else can one think?
Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough!  2005-07-02 15:27||   2005-07-02 15:27|| Front Page Top

#13 ...which...
Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough!  2005-07-02 15:28||   2005-07-02 15:28|| Front Page Top

#14 It's looking bad. He was shot in the neck, but the above story did not indicate a gunshot. Could the shot have been muffled with a towel or pillow? If so, that would point toward murder. This very well connected family was very supportive of the invasion. That Marine squad better have a damn good explanation. U.S. Marines Accused of Killing Iraq Man
Posted by ed 2005-07-02 15:41||   2005-07-02 15:41|| Front Page Top

#15 Interesting. Until the investigation is done everything is just conjecture. Was the interpreter the last one to see the kid alive? Was the interpreter the last one in the room after that squad left? It's a known fact that Interpreter's are somtimes paid off by both sides. Just a thought.
Posted by Chase Unineger3873 aka Jarhead 2005-07-02 16:19||   2005-07-02 16:19|| Front Page Top

#16 I'm with Jarhead on this one. Let's see what the investigation shows. Bad news if they did it, but if interpreters are paid off by both sides, it could've been a tribal/local fight to off some of the big dogs in town (by the interpreter?).
Posted by BA">BA  2005-07-02 16:37||   2005-07-02 16:37|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm sorry, I just not buying any of this story.
#1, this took place in a war zone.
Hell-ooooo. In a war zone, people get killed, particularly when it's in a Sunni-dominated area.
Why should this man's son be the exception?
Are the Iraqis now going to have the U.S. military investigate every Marine that kills a bad guy (whether they are or not) over there?
I'm giving our guys the benefit of the doubt, that if they shot this man, they had damn good reason to do so.
Notice they also accuse the Marines of beating a guy up: doesn't sound like our Marines to me!
Even if we made a mistake and killed a good guy by mistake, that's what happens in wartime.
I think this UN ambassador has let all that special treatment he gets in NYC at the UN whorehouse go to his head and thinks he and his family are "special."

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro">Jennie Taliaferro  2005-07-02 17:06|| http://www.greatestjeneration.com]">[http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2005-07-02 17:06|| Front Page Top

#18 Suuuure, just an old antique rifle loaded with blanks. The boy was pure as driven snow! Blanks?!?! My B.S. meter is pegged.
Posted by Sheik Abu Bin Ali Al-Yahood 2005-07-02 17:20||   2005-07-02 17:20|| Front Page Top

#19 The ex-Interior Minister and head Mukhbarat thug. Sounds like they mainly wanted him out of the country. The UN gabfest is a good spot - he's not going anywhere, and he can't do anything.
Posted by mojo">mojo  2005-07-02 17:37||   2005-07-02 17:37|| Front Page Top

#20 We've seen lots of photos of soldiers with little video cameras on their helmets. It could be veeeery interesting if that were the case this time. Taking Jarhead's contribution into account, I must say I look forward to hearing the final report. And I have to wonder that a wily survivor of the Baathist regime would launch such an attack on those who currently hold power back home. Or has the ambassador been told less than the entire truth, too?
Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-02 18:36||   2005-07-02 18:36|| Front Page Top

#21 I always keep my rifle loaded with blanks for virtual squirrels n such
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-02 18:41||   2005-07-02 18:41|| Front Page Top

#22 led them to his father's bedroom, where the family stored an old rifle filled with blanks,

too much detail.
Posted by 2b 2005-07-02 19:16||   2005-07-02 19:16|| Front Page Top

#23 Its the beating and a shooting in the same incident that doesn't ring true for me. Smells like Arab exageration.
Posted by phil_b 2005-07-02 19:41||   2005-07-02 19:41|| Front Page Top

#24 did someone say squirrels, where is she?
Posted by Rocky 2005-07-02 22:09||   2005-07-02 22:09|| Front Page Top

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