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2005-02-18 Iraq-Jordan

Secular or Islamofascist Iraq?: Pretenders Profiled

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Posted by IToldYouSo 2005-02-18 2:39:12 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Likely? I have my doubts - #1, Ahmed Chalabi's survived so much political upheaval, who's to say he won't pull through? And just because this figure says that al-Sadr supports Jafaari means nothing; I'd be far more concerned if al-Sistani started making noises to that effect.

P.S. Someone else unload on IToldYouSo for trolling, impersonating a conservative/Jacksonian/neocon and using Juan Cole as a source on anything. :-P

Posted by Edward Yee 2005-02-18 8:48:45 AM|| 2005-02-18 8:48:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Odds are that anyone Juan Cole dislikes is going to cooperate with Uncle Sam. Note that Cole, like his leftist brethren, has never met an anti-American foreigner he doesn't like (except for maybe bin Laden and Mullah Omar).

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-02-18 10:06:37 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-02-18 10:06:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Note that Cole, like his leftist brethren, has never met an anti-American foreigner he doesn't like (except for maybe bin Laden and Mullah Omar).

When pressed, I am sure they could enlarge their circle of love to even embrace those two. Enlarging it to include us and Bush is definitely NOT on their agenda.

Posted by Ptah 2005-02-18 10:55:50 AM|| [http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2005-02-18 10:55:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Oops! Knee-jerk Watch!

Leave out the 'knee' and it'd be accurate.

Posted by Pappy 2005-02-18 11:27:09 AM|| 2005-02-18 11:27:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Nice back-swing Pappy, the new grip seems to help.

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-18 11:48:42 AM|| 2005-02-18 11:48:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 replace all virtual divots

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-18 11:58:34 AM|| 2005-02-18 11:58:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 This is excellent news! Juan Cole's track record has been so abysmal on Iraq that I'm willing to bet AGAINST ANY PREDICTION HE MAKES.

The only reason he gets any press is because his postmodern, anti-American cant is letter-perfect. If he had to compete on accuracy, he'd be living out of dumpsters in Detroit.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2005-02-18 12:02:59 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-02-18 12:02:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Grumpy old men at work: finger pointing, jumping into conclusion quagmires, and impersonating Dr Phil' tunnel moralism. I order you to cease and desist. Check out the profile of Peoples-Choice-Jaafari, on the Iraq entity's website,
http://www.iraqigovernment.org/preoffice.htm

I order you to check out leftist, Angry Arab's (AKA: PBS creep, As'ad abu-Khalil) pro-Hizbollah gas-baggery on the Hariri assassination.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
Remember to prevent appeasement Vice and to promote one-button Virtue. SAY DOOM!

Edward Yee: according to sources, you are a Kos infiltrator at Rantburg, and here with the purpose of promoting appeasement spin-consumption.

Posted by IToldYouSo 2005-02-18 1:05:29 PM|| 2005-02-18 1:05:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 lovely - can you do the ban now, Fred?

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-18 1:08:37 PM|| 2005-02-18 1:08:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Juan Cole - a US scholar who lived in the Middle East for 6 years

i hear he speaks arabic, too ;)

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-02-18 1:15:22 PM|| 2005-02-18 1:15:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 hey, if I announce that I support Jafari will Juan "I speak Arabic" Cole explain that Jafari is supported by Zionists?

Interesting article in todays WaPo, by Robert Kagan.

Back during the cold war we were CONSTANTLY told by the left that NOT every communist was pro-Moscow or pro-Cuba, that nationalism trumped communist fellow feeling, and detailed analysis was made of subtle ideological distinctions - knee jerk assumption that any commie, or anyone who had received support from USSR or Cuba was ergo a stooge of them, was the property of the right. Sometimes this subtelty was correct - sometimes it wasnt. Whats interesting is that NOW the left seems insistent on a Shia is a Shia is a Shia. Sistani is probably further ideologically from Khomeinism than Mao was from Soviet Communism. and yes Dawa and SCIRI received support from Iran - Mao received support from the USSR, and North Viet Nam received support from China. Didnt stop VN and China from having a little war, now did it.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-02-18 1:21:58 PM|| 2005-02-18 1:21:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I think that itys is Boris on his meds.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-02-18 1:42:40 PM|| 2005-02-18 1:42:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Boris from Simi Valley - ITYS is Canuckistan

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-18 2:07:44 PM|| 2005-02-18 2:07:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I came into rantburg after Boris left, I think. What's his deal?

Posted by Jules 187 2005-02-18 2:12:44 PM|| 2005-02-18 2:12:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Jusles, lunacy. (anti-semitism is the main component, but not the only one).

Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-18 2:17:27 PM|| 2005-02-18 2:17:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 My read is that Cole's rationale is to wrap anti-Israel/America rhetoric in academic garb. That kind of "scholarship" is learned ignorance, at best.

I see a lot of personal attacks here. Aren't there rules against that?

Posted by anti-moby 2005-02-18 4:06:08 PM|| 2005-02-18 4:06:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Thanks Frank G

Well, anti-moby, generally personal attacks are allowed if someone prove himself to be a troll. ITYS seems to be baiting people simply to get a reaction or even worse misrepresenting himself as an ultra-hawk in order to push a dovish agenda or discredit the site, either of which make him a troll in the eyes of about 90% of the regulars.

Otherwise, people do get in fights here and generally apologize afterward. Not just a problem here but everywhere on the Internet. If Fred banned everyone who had a tiff, there'd probably be about six regulars still posting.

Posted by 11A5S 2005-02-18 4:28:43 PM|| 2005-02-18 4:28:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 fnord mood

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-18 6:00:40 PM|| 2005-02-18 6:00:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 This is a no fnord zone.

Posted by Hagbard Celine 2005-02-18 6:55:06 PM|| 2005-02-18 6:55:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 I'll point out to you that it's a Friday in February Hagbard, thus it is a Fnord zone until first light in Guam.

Posted by Shipman 2005-02-18 7:40:05 PM|| 2005-02-18 7:40:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Personal attacks are a waste of time, because probably 99% of people who come to Rantburg pay no attention to them. However, .com is 100% responsible for the decline of civility here. That Bill O'Reilly worshipper doesn't even read internet news sources, so he never posts anything here. Rating his contribution, on a ten-point either-way scale, with zero being absolutely worthless, I would give his spew as -9. As for my own contribution: +10.

Posted by IToldYouSo 2005-02-18 9:46:16 PM|| 2005-02-18 9:46:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 hmmmmmmm surprising that we are on opposite side of the rating system you established. Americans at RB are on to you Canuck troll

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-18 9:48:58 PM|| 2005-02-18 9:48:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 ITYS, there is a great article over at Sci American about how self esteem is really just self delusion. I recommend you read it.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-18 9:53:41 PM|| 2005-02-18 9:53:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 You better watch out, Mr I told you so, or Ima gonna whack you upside the head with a big ol' golden apple of discord!

Posted by Eris 2005-02-18 10:46:22 PM|| 2005-02-18 10:46:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 .com posts comments based on his vast life experience in a certain sandy, oil-soaked part of the world that ITSY refers to as the Jazeera, for some reason. He's been doing this at Rantburg for some years now, and has earnt his seniority.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-02-18 10:54:29 PM|| 2005-02-18 10:54:29 PM|| Front Page Top

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