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2004-06-10 Africa: North

US open to but not waiting for UN participation in Dafur

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Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-10 3:29:34 AM|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It's an urgent situation! Starvation, Genocide! Quickly, we must call a meeting and get another round of signatures!

Posted by B 2004-06-10 9:02:06 AM|| 2004-06-10 9:02:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 And, of course, at the urgent meeting, the first agenda item will be to set and approve the luncheon menu.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-10 11:30:40 AM|| 2004-06-10 11:30:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 In short, "We are coordinating how we are going to ignore the situation in western Sudan while we feed the Sudanese troops and insure the milita have enough to eat when they are not raping 12 year old girls or killing the men and boys...".

[Note: All humanatarian aid must pass thru the government and be delivered by government trucks in government marked packages...]

Questions for Mr Boucher: How many were killed while you were 'discussing' the matter with the UN during lunch? How many women and children were raped? How many villages razed?

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-06-10 12:02:54 PM|| 2004-06-10 12:02:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Bush does not want the Sudan to be his "Rwanda".

Posted by danking70 2004-06-10 4:16:46 PM|| 2004-06-10 4:16:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I would rather say that Bush is using soft power while hard power is employed elsewhere, but the Sudanese know that the US is in theater - Djibouti is not so far away. Sudan is certainly a legitimate target with repsect to the WOT, as the Sudanese government is fully aware. The ghost of Rawanda no longer haunts America. After 9/11 only the truly dumb will prop up their type of regime. Prior to 9/11 Aristide might have been propped up in Haiti when the Black Caucus ......
Hey, wait a minute doesn't Charles Rangle care about the dying Sudanese?

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-10 5:13:03 PM|| 2004-06-10 5:13:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 No.

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-10 5:26:59 PM|| 2004-06-10 5:26:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Niether does the Right Reverand(asshole)Jesse Jackson.
Strange you don't hear much support for the Black African Muslims,from African Americans or Muslems in general around the world.Guess they must be waiting for those damned bigotted white folks to do something.

Posted by Raptor 2004-06-10 5:40:06 PM|| 2004-06-10 5:40:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I have zero interest in the US sending our boys to Sudan.

It's time for all the "good" Muslim nations we hear so much about and who live on foreign aid dole from the US to step up to the plate and pacify their Sudanese Muslim brothers who are committing genocide. "Good" Muslim nations need to show cynics like myself that "evil doers" in Sudan are not like the majority of peace loving Muslims. cough, cough

For example, Egypt has a huge military twiddling their thumbs not to mention when is China going to do anything humanitarian to justify their having a permanent seat on the UN Security Council? Sudan just got elected to the Human Rights Committee by other fans in the UN-let those nations that supported Sudan for this position sacrifice their young men.

The US has enough irons in the fire. I don't want Sudan consume more attention then we have to offer. It's unfortunate that there's genocide happening in Sudan, but unless the compassionate posters want to bomb the living daylights out of the Sudanese government, I say no American boots on the ground in that hellhole called Africa. Africans, from leaders to ordinary folks, spout off anti-American, anti-whitey propoganda any chance they get to visiting journalists.Let them wait for their bleeding heart socialist friends that warm the chairs in the UN General Assembly and Security Council to bail them out.

It might interest some of you who call for US intervention to about the enormous challenges of trying to stop the Sudanese Muslim maniacs. It's a death trap, and quite frankly that's not what I want our GI's to walk into, thank you very much, we'll take a pass:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3795269.stm
"Sudan: Big country, big problems" 6/10/04
...But in a report to the UN Security Council this week the secretary-general also set out the scale of challenge in Sudan were the UN to set up a monitoring mission to help implement a comprehensive peace settlement to cement the SPLA-Khartoum peace deal and encompass other conflicts like Darfur.

Sudan, he pointed out, is 35 times larger than Sierra Leone, which, until recently, hosted the largest UN peacekeeping force in the world at a cost of several billion dollars.

Mr Annan did not make the calculation, but the implication was clear.

If it took 17,000 troops to pacify Sierra Leone - where there was also a signed peace agreement - might it therefore take 35 times that number, or some 600,000, to do the same thing in Sudan?

The secretary-general also pointed out, with measured understatement, that there is "a total lack of infrastructure in the south," ensuring that "the United Nations will be working in the most demanding of circumstances."

As a sales pitch for a UN monitoring mission (no-one is seriously considering muscular peacekeeping) the report was sombre.

The distances involved are also huge.

Posted by rex 2004-06-10 5:47:31 PM|| 2004-06-10 5:47:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Africa is in such a state that it would be very hard to single out Dafur as the place to start. This is very akin to the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby. Once you try to project power anywhere in Africa to protect people, you've hit the tar baby and you're stuck. Other than Morocco, how many countries in Africa don't need US intervention to protect people from the predations of armed warlords and/or perverted governments? The political consequences of an African expedition, no matter how well intentioned, would be the end of any US administration that launched it. Like the tar baby, we'd be stuck and dinner for the predators lurking in the darkness. Let's project our power where it can have effect. If we can turn back the tide of militant Islam, then we can move on to dealing with the thugs, thieves, perverts, and true believers that are turning Africa into Hell on earth.

Posted by RWV 2004-06-10 6:03:22 PM|| 2004-06-10 6:03:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 ima think uncle remus probably a bad choice for an analogy here.

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-10 7:32:22 PM|| 2004-06-10 7:32:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Rex, nobody is calling for a US intervention in the Sudan, at this point. If you remember, this same government hosted UBL and was a repository for "Syrian" WMD supplies - that type of behavior needs to be treated in a fashion that forces the thugs in charge to understand that they don't want to make themselves a high priority for us. We are in Djibouti to train and augment African forces, but also as a visible warning to the neighbors. The time for cleaning out the Sudan will come, but not now.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-06-10 9:06:46 PM|| 2004-06-10 9:06:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Shipman, sorry about that.

Posted by RWV 2004-06-10 11:00:50 PM|| 2004-06-10 11:00:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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