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2004-05-10 Afghanistan/South Asia

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Posted by Paul Moloney 2004-05-10 1:10:53 AM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Nice job Paul. Your a warrior. This is a strange deal by western standards. Doctors, who needs doctors when paradise is just a.....

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-10 1:45:44 AM|| 2004-05-10 1:45:44 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 the assumption being that doctors make the best preachers

Doesn't this automatically violate their oath to "do no harm?" This is right up there with Rantissi being a pediatrician.

Posted by Zenster 2004-05-10 1:57:14 AM|| 2004-05-10 1:57:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Who knows what qualifies someone to be a "doctor" in the Arab world?
I haven't noticed an outstanding quality to their medical care.
And the Hippocratic Oath is a Western tradition and probably not an Arabic one.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-10 2:56:39 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-10 2:56:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The above article is about Pakistan, NOT about an Arab country. arab != muslim

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-10 9:13:12 AM|| 2004-05-10 9:13:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 they seem to identify well with the arab world though, ignoring ancestry, what makes them not arab? they seem the same too me, backward folk with rolling eyes and the occasional gunsex celebration

Posted by Dcreeper 2004-05-10 11:54:53 AM|| 2004-05-10 11:54:53 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Arabs are generally identified by language spoken. They dont speak arabic, ergo theyre not arabs. As for backwards, there are urban secular pakis - thats why we get our juicy quotes here from the Urdu press, Paklands extensive English language press is a different story. And even the non-english speaking Punjabis, etc generally dont do the celebratory gunfire thing - thats more a Pashtun thing.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-10 12:31:55 PM|| 2004-05-10 12:31:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Liberalhawk, if you're going to be technical, I suppose I meant Western vs. non-Western in terms of medical training and qualification and using an oath that originated with an ancient Greek, Hippocrates.
Can't see Pakis using the Hippocratic oath, unless they borrowed it from the British.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-10 12:34:20 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-10 12:34:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 The jews have the oath of Maimonides, which differs in some particulars from the oath of hippocrates, and is even preferred by some non-Jewish physicians. As Maimonides lived and practiced in the Arab world, I'd be surprised if the Muslims dont have their own oath for physicians, from the same period. It should be noted that Medicine was an area of muslim achievement in the middle ages, and an area where the West learned from Islam.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-10 12:38:12 PM|| 2004-05-10 12:38:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 But Lh, that was a very, very lonnnnnngggggg time ago.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-10 12:38:58 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-10 12:38:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 1. there seems to be some kind of "oath of a muslim physician" floating around, but it seems to be a modern one.
2. I assume that Pakistan and other muslim countries have the difficulties with modern medical care that all less developed countries do, including western background countries in Latin America. It may well be that the problems with ECONOMIC development are rooted in muslim culture, but thats a different thing.

3.My understanding is that the adoption of Western medecine, to the extent feasible, is rarely controversial. (Mbeki in SA, and the idiots in Kano State, duly noted)

4. My point is that the Greek medical tradition was very much a part of the medical tradition in the Islamic world. True, that doesnt give them Pasteur, or vaccination, or zillion other advances - just makes the point that what makes Western medicine superior is essentially modern, and is a legacy of the enlightenment and succeeding periods, NOT of the Wests Greek heritage.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-05-10 12:49:30 PM|| 2004-05-10 12:49:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Lh, bottom line?
I'd rather not be in one of their hospitals, though, thank you.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-10 12:53:15 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-10 12:53:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 LH you know pork chop is traif why are you wearing one around you're neck?

Posted by Fury 4 2004-05-10 3:40:33 PM|| 2004-05-10 3:40:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 The Abbasids built a large number of hospitals and pharmacies mainly in Baghdad, including the hospital built by Al -Rashid on the western side of Baghdad by physician Gibrael bin Bakhtiihu, Al Sa'edi hOspital built in the eastern I1 side during Al Mu'tad Caliph reign, the Muktadir hospital built by Al Muktadir In 306 A.H. 918 A.D., the Hospital of the, Lady built by his mother at Al Zamiya; Hospital of Ibn al Furat built by his minister Abu al Hassan Ibn Al Furat, .etc: This was an attempt to find places where patients may be treated and are placed under observation for record which IS the II basis of modern hospitals. Muslim doctors had new medical views and theories for the treatment of numerous diseases. Among other innovations they used caustics in surgery; they prescribed cold water to stop bleeding; they treated nasal tumours, and removed cancerous breasts; extracted bladder stones; performed eye and hernia surgery; removed embryos with a machine; used traction for broken bones and anaesthetics. They also distinguished between measles and smallpox.

The state regulated medical practices and physicians; pharmacists were tested during the times of Al Mamun and al Mu'atasim. Caliph Al Muktadir banned medical professionals from practice except after examination. Each medical practitioner takes the Muslim doctor's oath which underlines the confidentiality of the patient and his treatment to, preserve the honour of the profession.

Â Â "I free myself from the Holder of the souls of the wise, the lifter of the Zenith of the sky, the creator of upper , movements if I withold an advice or inflict a harm; if I offer an inferior thing when I know what is superior. You should be : decent and should listen to people to the end as much as you can. If you miss that, you are the loser. Allah will be the witness on both you and me and hears what you say. Whoever breaks his covenant (with Allah) will be the target for His judgement, unless he quits His earth and sky."
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Posted by Zenster 2004-05-10 3:49:07 PM|| 2004-05-10 3:49:07 PM|| Front Page Top

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