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2004-02-27

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Posted by Steve 2004-02-27 12:20:25 PM|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Unfortunately dicrimination and profiling against Muslims is alive and well and many lives have bee ruined as a consequence. Thankfully this wrong was fixed, but the damage has been done.

Posted by z2so4 2004-2-27 12:45:46 PM|| 2004-2-27 12:45:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 z2so4: Thankfully this wrong was fixed, but the damage has been done.

Actually, the point is that the damage hasn't been done. Terrorist attacks have been prevented by identifying Muslims who are security risks and removing them from positions related to national security. z2so4 naturally believes that Muslims should not be investigated without ironclad proof - but the fact is that the investigations are carried out precisely in order to get that proof. Just as it would be useless to search for Mafia hoods among the black community, it would equally be useless to probe Hindu employees while searching for Muslim terror backers.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2004-2-27 1:39:45 PM|| 2004-2-27 1:39:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 No one, and I mean no one, beyond the individuals involved has clue one about whether the right thing has been done here - or not. This is classic bureaucratic he said / she said / conflicting claims. There is no way for US to know, for certain. I am automatically disinclined to believe Abdel-Hafiz without knowing every inch of his background. And where the security of our nation is concerned, that's enough for me to say this has not been settled satisfactorily.

You don't like profiling? Why? PC-ism? Or are you an Arab? Or a Muslim? All of the preceeding? I LOVE profiling - because it's a damned good place to start and all of the evidence available proves it works in that regard, whether that's palatable to anyone or not.

Grrrr.

Look around the world and locate where there's conflict and violence... what do you find? Is Islam in there as a core issue in about 75% or more? Well Fucking Duh! Profile accordingly and tell the pissy pussies to fuck off.

z2so4 - misspelled H2SO4, didya? Pfeh.

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The FBI is a gifuckinganticbureaucracy that needs mucking out, flushed of the dead wood and stupidity and good-ol-boy network, and streamlining into a flatter organization. There are huge numbers of pure job whores (ala Civil Service Turf Queens), particularly in the upper management of the FBI -- when it needs to be an organization full of level-headed dedicated apolitical public-service professionals who cast a jaundiced and suspicious eye on anyone and everyone who may be a threat to US citizens. Period.

Not to worry - the Field Agents, relatively new on the job and still bearing the stamp of the Academy, are usually still professional hard-working dedicated people, so there's a pool of promotable talent... the problem is that they must not be promoted into ranks where then will then be "taught" to become political animals - the bane of every large org.

The duplicitous character, a major and natural component installed by Arab societies, is not to be ignored. The question of Abdel-Hafiz's innocence or guilt is probably moot - some of both would be natural for an Arab. Where was he raised? That would be my first question, and then work it out from there whether he could be trusted, again. His supervisor, who converted to Islam, would automatically be fired if I was running the show. That decision would make everything about his judgment to be ultra-suspicious - if not outright proof that he's brain-dead. What a loser.

The failure of the Fibbies to recruit Arabic-speakers who are NOT Arabs, per previous revelations and news stories seen here on RB, is a massive fuck-up. Such decisions probably came from admins who listened to people like Abdel-Hafiz - and his moron supervisor. Where was their common sense? Who was writing policy - and did they know dick about Arabs or their mission statement? I doubt it very very seriously.

Muck out the stalls. Make a roster of every Fibbie in the HQ, from Supervisor on up. Repeat in every field office. Add those who were born and / or raised in the countries where we are fighting terrorism. These people are to be replaced from the ranks below - over a span of time in a schedule of promotion based upon PEER REVIEW. No input from previous supervisory personnel should be employed unless it contains suspicions of traitorous activity. Replaced supervisory personnel may, repeat may, be reconsidered for employment - but the vetting process to become eligible is to be done by another agency, one with an adversarial relationship with the FBI, such as the CIA or NSA or DIA. This will help ensure that few, if any, of the real morons regain access to sensitive information and definitely have to re-earn their spurs.

Annual or bi-annual vetting of Agents, to keep your job, is to be done via a peer review - not by supervisory personnel. Supervisory personnel will be reviewed both by peer review and by performance scoring from the level they supervise - i.e. Agents will score their supervisor - and either source can be grounds for dismissal if a second peer review (different supervisory personnel from different depts.) agrees. So supervised Agents can call into question a supervisor's performance, but not directly force dismissal. In this case it takes 2 successful peer reviews to keep the job. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Arabic-speakers are obviously needed. Sources for recruiting should be countries with adversarial (or worse) relationships with Islamic countries, in general, and Arabia in particular. Good agents and those they depend upon for language skills should be natively suspicious and thus inclined to err on the side of caution. OBVIOUSLY, Jewish and Israeli-Americans make FAR better sense as potential recruits than Muslim and Arab-Americans -- I hate this hyphenated BS, but I'm using it for clarity. You HAVE to be cautious and inclined toward suspicious: it's the nation's security at stake. Fucking Duh.
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But I have no strong feelings about it, of course. Have a nice day. Or else. :-)

Posted by .com 2004-2-27 2:36:07 PM|| 2004-2-27 2:36:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 "z2so4 naturally believes that Muslims should not be investigated without ironclad proof "

Actually I suspect there to be a bit of profiling when national security is involved. When looking at al-Q most of it's members are Arab and all are Muslim so it is only logical to assume to be more careful when dealing with a arab that has had visa's for both saudi and afghanistan. That being said this guy seemed to have a record of nothing more than helping the cause and being damn good at it. Seems more like the case of paranoid co-worker than anything else (we have all experienced this once or twice with the annoying twat in the office). It is when people are fired for only being Arab, or Muslim that is when the problem comes.

We all know that profiling a security blanket, because there are enough people in the al-Q organization that could pass by as joe sixpack by sking color or pretending to not be Muslim (chechyens come to mind).

"z2so4 - misspelled H2SO4, didya? Pfeh"

nope...

The rest is a jumbled incoherent mess that is more raw emotion than anything thing of substance so I won't bother responding.

Have a nice day as well :-)

Posted by Anonymous 2004-2-27 5:10:40 PM|| 2004-2-27 5:10:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Lol! So, changing posting nyms caught up with you, eh z2so4? Pfeh.

You're a classic, though rare in these parts. It's always interesting to encounter the calmer-than-calm pseudo-super-reasonable apologist. Welcome to RB.

Re: the rant - you did notice the tags, right? I was having some fun, plus scratching an itch about the twit Fibbie management, plus trolling. You dismiss it in toto as "raw emotion" - so either you're a very lazy poster or just unable to deal with detail and specifics to the degree I took it - intentionally. The tags were put there to see if I'd get a bite from you - someone who's not really as smooth as their posts first appear. You bit.

Doesn't really matter who or what you are on paper. What matters is that you're playing a game: selling semi-plausible BS under the cover of "I'm so calm I'm in a coma", therefore reasonable. Right.

Re: profiling Arabs. The visas will only be found in the passports of innocents or rookies. Pros have false identities - or multiple valid passports - which won't have suspicious stamps. I know. You see, the US State Dept, despite its many failings and being riddled with "twats" is aware of some necessities. I worked in Saudi and had 2 concurrent US passports - so I could always present the acceptable one without any boogey-man stamps, such as a visit to Israel should that please me, to Saudi Immigration. Visa stamps are red herrings and every Immigration officer with a brain knows it - the authenticity and issuing country of the passport is far more important.

Your use of "twat" and several syntax errors indicate a non-native English speaker. Given your posts today, I'll take you for a trolling apologist for the asshat interests. Don't like it? Don't care? Me neither.

As for there being enough people in AlQ who could pass for "joe sixpak" - that's quite unlikely, except among very low-level convert cannon fodder. And converts are a very big red flag. Who, pray tell, with 2 neurons to rub together and wasn't mentally ill would willingly convert to the RoP? Heh, I would fire Supervisor Rattigan so fast his ass would be in another county by the time the door closed behind him. But that's just me - didn't even occur to you to mention it.

See ya around, Anonymous / z2so4 / troll. ;-)

Posted by .com 2004-2-27 5:52:52 PM|| 2004-2-27 5:52:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 It wasn't meant to be anonymous, I was just at a work computer. Nice to know you have my profile down tho. I didn't bother replying because it wan't worth my time. Try again when you have something intelligent to say.

Posted by z2so4 2004-2-27 7:26:30 PM|| 2004-2-27 7:26:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 .com, you forgot to say that only registered Republicans should be allowed in the FBI.

In fact, in order to make absolutely sure, only registered Republicans should be allowed in the country -- the rest of them must be deported or imprisoned, their choice.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-2-27 8:50:33 PM|| 2004-2-27 8:50:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I thought Aris might have a good riposte to ZF or .com, but I guess not this time.
I do rather worry about terrorists sneaking in because they are not what many perceive to be the 'average Islamist'. Worse, I think it is possible that someday an American citizen may commit an act of mass terror for militant Islam. Either a TrueBeliever (Tim McVeigh-ish) or some self-absorbed Nihlist, fed a lifetime of Hate America First.

Posted by Les Nessman 2004-2-27 9:56:58 PM|| 2004-2-27 9:56:58 PM|| Front Page Top

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