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2003-12-24 Iraq
Once Skeptical, Gen. Lamb Sees Iraqi Success
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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-12-24 00:22|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I often wonder how the Brits with their high and mighty view of themselves versus us would have fared in the north and sunni triangle? First, of course, they don't have the iron or horses and second the moolah but they certainly are always first to compare their own ways to ours when doodoo hits the fan.
Posted by Jack is Back!  2003-12-24 6:29:06 AM||   2003-12-24 6:29:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I wouldn't take dismiss the British miltary so lightly,Jack.The Royal Marines are some of the toughest SOB's on the planet,our SEALS and Delta Boys train with the SAS.Saw a Discovery Channel docu on Royal Marine survival training,ain't something I could contemplate doing.
Posted by raptor  2003-12-24 7:57:32 AM||   2003-12-24 7:57:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 
The region's population is about 5 million, of which about 85 percent are Shi'a. The division who's responsible (for this area and civil ?) people that I have is a little over 13,000 troops. About two-thirds of these are British. The remaining third is made up of an Italian brigade, supported by the Carabinieri; a Dutch, Danish and Romanian battle group; of Portuguese police; Norwegian and New Zealand engineers; some police from the Czech Republic -- they had a hospital in the town, which did some great work -- a small contingent from Lithuanian -- Lithuania; and two explosive ordnance experts from Iceland.

I work alongside with over 15,000 Iraq police officers; some 2,000 members of the new Civil Defense Corps -- and there are more being trained -- a new river police service and border force of about another thousand officers. My mission is quite simply to help to create the conditions that will allow the southeast Iraq to make a swift and successful recovery, and we're doing this with the consent and active support of the Iraqi people in the South.


His whole briefing is here.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2003-12-24 8:49:16 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2003-12-24 8:49:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Jack--Pretty harsh condemnation of our staunchest ally in the WoT (basically accusing them of being French)! What brought that on?
Posted by Dar  2003-12-24 1:43:58 PM||   2003-12-24 1:43:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Pretty harsh condemnation of our staunchest ally in the WoT

Sniping is the British way of life - friends, enemies, whatever - Jack's just getting in a few licks of his own. I think Brits are just insecure - the incessant sniping makes them feel better about themselves. Whatever floats their boat, as long as we're on the same side. (Apropros of nothing, the stereotype of Americans being rugged individualists is wrong - Americans are actually team players, who have no problems taking risks - whereas Brits tend to snipe at every opportunity, while sticking religiously to the rule book).
Posted by Zhang Fei  2003-12-24 2:54:11 PM||   2003-12-24 2:54:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 "I sense that we're well in the corner,"

Baby we're past the apex! Hit the gas, run thru the gears and pass anything painted in baby blue and yellow.
Posted by Shipman 2003-12-24 5:45:33 PM||   2003-12-24 5:45:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Same here Jack, I've read through the article (quite long) and couldn't find any 'high and mighty' attitude.

"GEN. LAMB: Yeah, the question was about are the British forces more experienced in dealing with the Iraqi people, and therefore did the Iraqis ask us to assist? And the answer is, -- and the experience line was being questioned against my American partners in this coalition. A number of years ago, I'd have said without a question of doubt the British were very much more experienced in dealing with some of these issues. One should not underestimate just how busy the United States have been in the Balkans and elsewhere around the world in gaining some of those experiences. Put against the benchmark of where we are, I sense they're just slightly behind the drag curve. And that's a result of thirty years over in Northern Ireland, working in Africa and then working in the Middle East in particular over many years. So I sense actually we've just got a bit of an advantage over most of the forces we have here. But when I look around the sum of the experience, there are very few force elements -- and it's wrong to just judge in effect a force by the individual you'll speak -- you'll meet on the street, whether he be from Birmingham or from Baltimore. The truth is, actually both of those guys will have probably a little bit of experience. I met some paratroopers up here the other day from the British, and they'd only been in the army for two months. So they got zero experience. They come with -- (inaudible.) So it would be wrong to do that.

But the officers, the NCOs and the leadership of those organizations, I keep on coming across the same faces -- (laughs) -- friends around the world, whether they be from the United States, whether they be from the Netherlands, whether they be from Italy, whether they be from the Norwegians, we keep on coming across -- you know, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Macedonia, Bosnia. So there's a level of experience in doing business."


Anyhow, 70 mins to go to christmas day, so y'all have a good one tomorrow! (I've already eaten far too many mince pies)
Posted by Tony (UK) 2003-12-24 5:48:08 PM||   2003-12-24 5:48:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 I have to agree that sniping and whining is not an attractive aspect of british culture, and I'm a brit who left for greener pastures a long time ago. Otherwise ZF is right the Americans are better team players, although this results in the brits are more tolerant of people being different which can be a good thing.

One thing to bear in mind is that when these British officers talk their intended audience is UK public opinion which is much less convinced of the need to pay for a strong professional military than the US public.

How would they have fared in the sunni triangle? The question is moot, because they are not there, but don't forget that they have 25 years of counter insurgency experience in N. Ireland, whereas the US military has none before afghanistan, so I wouldn't write them off as quickly as Jack.
Posted by phil_b 2003-12-24 6:02:34 PM||   2003-12-24 6:02:34 PM|| Front Page Top

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