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2003-12-05 Britain

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Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-12-05 00:06|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 We assure the community there is no Mosque or individual who supports terrorism either financially or otherwise ...thank you, thank you very much....anyone here from Birmingham?

is this guy a standup comic or what??

Posted by B 2003-12-5 3:49:01 AM|| 2003-12-5 3:49:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Oops sorry, Fred could you remove the above.

Sometimes one does really wonder the European anti-terror standards, the European court of Justice fined Turkey with 12.500 Euro for convicting the ultra radical sect leader MÃ¼slÃ¼m GÃ¼ndÃ¼z to two years of prison for inciting hatred and religious violence in private madrassas, on the verdict of acting against the freedom of speech!!!!!

HREF="http://www.teror.gen.tr/english/turkey/islamic/groups/aczimendi.html"> MÃ¼slÃ¼m GÃ¼ndÃ¼z

Aczi-Mendi Group. Radical Islamic group. Founded by MÃ¼slÃ¼m GÃ¼ndÃ¼z in ElaziÃ° in 1985. The meaning of Aczi-Mendi is the "Sect of the Helpless Servants of Allah". All the group's members dress in the same style, with black robes, turbans, and baggy trousers, and they carry sceptres. They hold their meetings in ElaziÃ° and in dervish lodges, which they have established in different cities. Dervish convents in ElaziÃ°, Gaziantep and Izmir have been closed by court order.

Posted by Murat 2003-12-5 4:09:40 AM|| 2003-12-5 4:09:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Uh oh... Ethel, my pills! I agree with muRat. 12.5K Euros isn't much for a country, but it was obviously NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS since Turkey is NOT part of the EU. And only marginally part of Europe.

Funny, the word "dervish" in common American English usage must've lost 99% of its original connotation. Now I would say it generally conjurs up a colorful folkish visual of a man in a red fez, colorful vest, and white skirt-like bottom doing ballet-like spins where the head fixes on the same point with each rotation. Very touristy image. No turbans or sceptres or black robes - and certainly nothing Izzoid about it. Mebbe the Euros were confused, too, and thought you were picking on a folk-dancing troupe. Boy, that culture shit can really be confusing. ;-)

Posted by .com 2003-12-5 8:33:56 AM|| 2003-12-5 8:33:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Ohh! Did yew read this story? We have pictures of dese dervishes! Very nice pictures, Olga.

Yah, Bjorn, ist terrible what they do to these folks dancer people.

We shuud write the letter of the editor! We shuud!

Yah! Yah!

Posted by .touristers 2003-12-5 8:46:05 AM|| 2003-12-5 8:46:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 "the European court of Justice fined Turkey with 12.500 Euro for convicting the ultra radical sect leader MÃ¼slÃ¼m GÃ¼ndÃ¼z to two years of prison for inciting hatred and religious violence in private madrassas,"

Hmm... I admit I've not studied the case myself but this link I found here: http://www.turkishdailynews.com/old_editions/01_07_97/semih.htm

says
"Muslum Gunduz was being sought for some time by the police after the Higher Court of Appeals upheld a previous two year prison conviction against him for defaming Ataturk."

There's a difference between conviction for "defaming" a historical figure, and conviction for incitement to hatred, isn't there?

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.com> "but it was obviously NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS since Turkey is NOT part of the EU."

Not so obviously, .com. Turkey is not a full member of the EU, but she does have association agreements with us -- I've not studied them in length but if accepting the decisions of the European Court is part of those agreements, then obviously it's "our business".

This is the European way of aiding human rights in neighbouring nations. Less drastic and less quick than bombing them to the stone age, but I believe that in the end it provides a more solid and more widespread progress, the slow and steady pressure of institutions like the European Court...

"Mebbe the Euros were confused, too, and thought you were picking on a folk-dancing troupe"

I'm not so sure they weren't. The link Murat provided says "Sometimes, the members of the Aczi-Mendi Group organise trips to the different cities by wearing their special costumes. " If that's the worst they have done, that they 'wear their special costumes'...

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-5 12:36:35 PM|| 2003-12-5 12:36:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 "This is the European way of aiding human rights in neighbouring nations. Less drastic and less quick than bombing them to the stone age, but I believe that in the end it provides a more solid and more widespread progress,"

-Just like Kosovo. Wait a minute, my bad. I think the bombing thing was actually the right call on that one. Milosevic could've felt "the slow and steady pressure" by maybe 2017.......

Posted by Jarhead 2003-12-5 3:01:12 PM|| 2003-12-5 3:01:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Jarhead> "Wait a minute, my bad. I think the bombing thing was actually the right call on that one. "

Occassionally bombing is the right thing to do.

But since I don't believe you are suggesting that the EU should bomb Turkey rather than just impose a fine on it, your comment remains irrelevant and idiotic. :-)

See, dear Jarhead, you can't bomb every country in the world. Even for America that still remains a last resort.

So unless your argument is that every human right violation in the world should just be ignored, until the nations in question become genocidal enough that they merit a bombing...

You talk about Milosevic? Let's also talk about the new Serbia-Montenegro and Croat leadership and all the war-criminals extradited from there.

You can't solve every problem with a sledgehammer.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2003-12-5 6:05:43 PM|| 2003-12-5 6:05:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 you can't bomb every country in the world

Sounds like a challenge to me Aris ;)

Posted by Shipman 2003-12-5 6:59:57 PM|| 2003-12-5 6:59:57 PM|| Front Page Top

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