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2003-11-23 Home Front
The Draft Dodger feckless coward Dean
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Posted by Dragon Fly 2003-11-23 6:25:57 PM|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 And how did ‘Dr. dickless Dean’ spend his new found free time while other men with breasts filled the breach?

Oopps! That's Chests, not Breasts! My C.S. Lewis is getting a little rusty.
Posted by Anonymous 2003-11-23 6:44:04 PM||   2003-11-23 6:44:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Remind me again how this guy is really a blue-collar, everyman candidate who is in tune with 'working' Americans? I seem to have forgotten.
Posted by commo 2003-11-23 7:00:00 PM||   2003-11-23 7:00:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 and what about your AWOL not-elected president?
say something.
shamericans are so dumb, they are really fucked up.
Posted by joe 2003-11-23 7:23:02 PM||   2003-11-23 7:23:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Has anyone ever produced a piece of paper charging Bush with being AWOL?

No?

Then he was never AWOL, m'kay?
Posted by Robert Crawford  2003-11-23 7:33:54 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2003-11-23 7:33:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 I'll be honest w/you joe. G.W. Bush's mil record is definitely nothing to brag about. I know he was in the champagne air force w/a lot of other rich kids from Texas - and I'll probably take fire for that comment - that's okay I'm a big boy. However, he was never charged w/anything as per RC's comment. OTOH - Should we add Clinton to the list of people w/less than shiny backgrounds? The foia has him as a felon under public law. How about Gore, who somehow only did 5 months of a 1-yr tour in 'Nam w/a bodyguard paid for by his daddy and lil' Al lying about walking point on patrols when he was really a REMF journalist...Don't make me laugh. Dean knows what he did. I believe he also wrestled at Yale but couldn't go into the mil - and spent post undergrad skiing - you do the math. You don't justify bad behavior w/bad behavior. As far as not-election goes - re-read the laws. We live in a republic, not a "true democracy" no matter how much the looney left believes that. BTW - I'm not even a republican so any anti-conservative comebacks won't work w/me. I'm curious as to what a "shamerican" is?
Posted by Jarhead 2003-11-23 7:47:11 PM||   2003-11-23 7:47:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 no wonder Dean's so angry! He knew this would come out
Posted by Frank G  2003-11-23 7:54:28 PM||   2003-11-23 7:54:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 JH I've never flown an F-102... But I expect the life expectancy of an F-102 pilot was much lower than than of a newpaper boy on the grand war tour or the local ski bum.

Posted by Shipman 2003-11-23 8:23:58 PM||   2003-11-23 8:23:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Hi Joe!
Didn't see ya the first time thru.

Have a cookie!
Posted by Shipman 2003-11-23 8:25:57 PM||   2003-11-23 8:25:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Look, I'm not here to defend Dean, because I think he's kind of obnoxious. But if you guys believe Bush did anything but avoid combat in Vietnam, then you are just a bunch of sycophants. And although I don't think he can be considered AWOL, he did everything to not only avoid combat, but to shirk his military duties otherwise. And if you look here I think you'll find some documentation of his poor service record. So don't go busting people's chops for not fighting what was an extremely unpopular and divisive war, especially someone like Dean, who is frankly pretty easy to attack on other grounds. By the way, what would say about Clark? Too much military service and decoration?
Posted by J 2003-11-23 9:33:04 PM||   2003-11-23 9:33:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 I find it hard to believe that George Bush sought to evade service in Vietnam by enlisting in a National Guard unit that was deployed to Vietnam.

HobbsOnLine on May 7, 2003 did a comprehensive debunking of this myth. He cites a New York Times investigation, as well as National Guard Magazine and the Boston Globe. His conclusions:
Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam, logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early release from service.

Incidentally, Bush flew with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, which was attached to the 147th Fighter Wing, based in Houston, Texas. While Bush's unit never got called to Vietnam, the 147th was. From 1968 through 1970, pilots from the 147th participated in operation "Palace Alert" and served in Southeast Asia during the height of the Vietnam War. The 147th came off runway alert on Jan. 1, 1970 to start a new mission of training all F-102 pilots in the United States for the Air National Guard.

Bush enlisted as an Airman Basic in the 147th Fighter-Interceptor Group at Ellington Air Force Base, Houston, on May 28, 1968 - a a time when the 147th was actively participating in combat in Vietnam. However, one can not train overnight to be a pilot. Bush completed basic flight training and then, from December 1969 through June 27, 1970, he was training full-time at Ellington to be an F-102 pilot.

Bush volunteered to serve in a unit at the very moment it was seeing combat in Vietnam, and only a restructuring of the unit's mission before he completed his flight training made it unlikely he would fly in combat. And he was never AWOL - he completed his required service and even served beyond the minimum.
Posted by Chuck  2003-11-23 10:33:53 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2003-11-23 10:33:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 While we are talking about Clark.

Why did he get pulled from Kosovo?

Why are his peers dissing him? I sure you will say politics

It would be so easy for him to release his record to the public so we can make up our own minds
Posted by capt joe  2003-11-23 10:45:34 PM||   2003-11-23 10:45:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Jarhead-I admire your dedication to duty --but I don't think Bush or Dean have done as much for our country as you are doing! But the bottom line is Bush and all the other rich kids got a free ride during 'Nam. I would include Gore, Bush and Dean, I was fortunate enough to be too young for the draft--I can't honestly say how I would have dealt with it--but have always admired people like my Dad who were in the USMC and appreciate their service to our country, so don't assume all liberal Democrats (like ME) are anti-military
Posted by NotMikeMoore 2003-11-23 11:35:15 PM||   2003-11-23 11:35:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Not all lib Dems are anti-military...just 80 -90%.
Posted by LeftEnd  2003-11-24 12:16:11 AM||   2003-11-24 12:16:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 "and what about your AWOL not-elected president? say something. shamericans are so dumb, they are really fucked up."

You aren't the arbiter of American elections, asshole. Shame you're such a fucked up totalitarian bigot.
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2003-11-24 1:58:54 AM||   2003-11-24 1:58:54 AM|| Front Page Top

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