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2003-05-16 Home Front

Study Disputes Secondhand-Smoke Risks, Prompting Furor

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Posted by Celissa (as seen on my blog) 2003-05-16 12:13 pm|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 this has what to do with the price of kalishnikovs in Peshawar?

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-05-16 12:21:37|| 2003-05-16 12:21:37|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought it was intersting, hawk.
You didn't have to read it.

Posted by Celissa 2003-05-16 12:31:51|| [www.celissasblog.com/weblog.php] 2003-05-16 12:31:51|| Front Page Top

#3 A pack of American smokes can probably get you a Kalashnikov in Peshawar, and is arguably more conducive to a healthy environment (at least in that neighborhood).

Suppression of scientific data is news. So is cooking stats to get a foregone, politically correct conclusion.

Be careful of repressing Celissa's First Amendment rights....

Posted by Mark IV 2003-05-16 12:56:48|| 2003-05-16 12:56:48|| Front Page Top

#4 No, this simply won't do. The Movement to Make Americans Safe at All Costs, Including Libery(TM) won't stand for this.

Not until every American is wearing a seat belt and motorcycle helmet in a non-smoking restaurant while eating low fat, low cal, and sodium free tofu and drinking mineral water can they rest. Only Oreo smugglers from Mexico will be able to smoke between runs across the border.

Posted by Dar 2003-05-16 13:02:02|| 2003-05-16 13:02:02|| Front Page Top

#5 If somebody did a totally independent study tomorrow and found out that secondhand smoke cured cancer, the bans still wouldn't lifted. We know what's best for you and don't you forget it!

Posted by tu3031 2003-05-16 13:20:57|| 2003-05-16 13:20:57|| Front Page Top

#6 "Be careful of repressing Celissa's First Amendment rights.... "

Im not repressing anybodys rights, just asking a question. Youre sounding alot like Tim Robbins and the Dixie Chicks.

I dont dispute its news. I posted something about clean-up in the Chesapeake Bay last week and it got deleted.

Can i post the latest Dow Jones quotes here? Or the weather? Everyone knows this blog has a focus.

Regarding studies - despite accusations, its generally quite accepted that coffee is safe, and that alcohol can be beneficial (for most people) in moderation. For tobacco - this is just one study - i wouldnt go ranting and raving about it.

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-05-16 13:33:01|| 2003-05-16 13:33:01|| Front Page Top

#7 Actually, Dar, I believe that very low cholesterol levels are now associated with increased risk of stroke, so there's a chance that natural selection will weed out some of the folks who have your dander up.

Posted by Tom 2003-05-16 13:33:30|| 2003-05-16 13:33:30|| Front Page Top

#8 Not until every American is wearing a seat belt and motorcycle helmet in a non-smoking restaurant while eating low fat, low cal, and sodium free tofu and drinking mineral water can they rest.

With safer Kalashnikovs, and safer bullets.

The Wellness Taliban is SO alive and... well.

Posted by Mark IV 2003-05-16 13:35:46|| 2003-05-16 13:35:46|| Front Page Top

#9 "Normally, I'd dump this, but I smoke. They'll pry my pipe from between my cold, dead, stained fingers, by Gawd. "

Well my dad smoked, and he died (at 72) of heart disease. My mom didnt smoke, she died of cancer that apparently started in the lungs, at age 66. Maybe it wasnt second-hand smoke, but Id say that the second hand smoke issue is worth discussing in a place where it can get serious attention, not a place devoted to other things.

And how about the europeans, going on and on about GM foods, when they all smoke?? How can we take them on if we have to avoid saying how dangerous and unhealthy smoking is?

Posted by liberalhawk 2003-05-16 13:38:58|| 2003-05-16 13:38:58|| Front Page Top

#10 And how about the europeans, going on and on about GM foods, when they all smoke?? How can we take them on if we have to avoid saying how dangerous and unhealthy smoking is?

Ugh... jarring non sequiturs on a Friday.

1. We do say smoking is dangerous and unhealthy (gawd help us, we never stop). The study disputes the dire presumptions about the effects of second-hand smoke.

2. We can point to bovine spongiform encephalopathy if we need some evidence of eurobungling in food management.

3. We can challenge them to prove a single detriment to GM foods, rather than allowing them to challenge us to prove a negative.

4. Our tobacco products are not genetically modified.

5. We can point out that Europeans are genetically modified apes, through the old-fashioned process of natural selection (rather than more progressive gene-splicing), as originally theorized by Darwin and Mendel, themselves Europeans.

They're all in it together, they all have bad teeth and haircuts, and they all wear ridiculous neckties. There's plenty of analogous ammo without banning outdoor smoking within 150 feet of children's playgrounds, which they are in fact doing in Kalifornia, if that helps your cause.

Meanwhile, back in Peshawar....

Posted by Mark IV 2003-05-16 14:11:16|| 2003-05-16 14:11:16|| Front Page Top

#11 I say: all things in moderation, including moderation.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2003-05-16 14:26:33|| 2003-05-16 14:26:33|| Front Page Top

#12 Everyone knows this blog has a focus.

Yes it does, and it's spelled at the top, where it says "Civil, well-reasoned discourse". It doesn't say anywhere that the focus is solely terrorism, or WMDs, or any one particular place in the world exclusively.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2003-05-16 19:59:13|| 2003-05-16 19:59:13|| Front Page Top

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