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Posted by newc 2012-11-09 01:27||
#2 When the population of a nation, or a significant majority of it, no longer know what their own national identity is, then the principles on which the country was founded cease to be their principles. The decay of the foundation results in the collapse of a nation.
Rome fell because eventually the majority administering and defending her, at all levels, no longer understood what a Roman was, what it meant to be Roman. Those remaining real Romans where so corrupted they did not care.
Posted by jefe101 2012-11-09 01:32||
#3 "What's the 1% of America? There's over 300 THOUSAND Americans? So that's 3,000 people?"
Strange. He skipped social studies and English, yet he did ok in math. At least it won't bother him when it's time to add three zeroes to everything.
Posted by RandomJD 2012-11-09 01:52||
#4 Romney wears magic underpants because he believes in Jesus... Says it all.
Jesus was born a Jew, and chose to turn against god. Most people aren't lucky enough to be part of the chosen race. But if you are one of the few god chooses, how do you think he feels if you throw it back in his face?
Posted by Glomoting Ghibelline9643 2012-11-09 03:05||
#5 I don't mean to sound dumb GG, but Huh?
Posted by Skidmark 2012-11-09 04:22||
#6 Cannibis research stocks are skyrocketing, everywhere else the market is down. Could there possibly be a message here ?
Posted by Besoeker 2012-11-09 06:31||
#7 Not that it makes a damn bit of difference at this point, but Mercer provides a short and quite astute post-mortem.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-11-09 06:49||
#8 Glomoting Ghibelline9643 is our stupid troll, Hypocrite, who chooses to display astonishing ignorance in every sentence of that post.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-11-09 07:47||
#9 #4 Jesus was born a Jew, and chose to turn against god. What?
The one kid isn't too good at math but then he doesn't really need math in the new world does he?
A widespread social and educational Hurricane Katrina and Sandy on a widespread. The country is screwed.
One thing to consider is what happens when the jihadists (or anyone else) decides to attack the US and there is no military to respond because no one is re-upping and it has been gutted? Conflict resolution? Negotiation? Kumbaya.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-09 08:04||
#10 A widespread social and educational Hurricane Katrina and Sandy. on a widespread. The country is screwed.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-09 08:06||
#11 I believe this election was about a black President. Dems are trying to demoralize and libertarians and social conservatives are blaming each other hoping for control over the GOP. Having said that I would like to see a few modifications to GOP positions.
(1) Republicans need to accept Gay marriage. Younger generation believes in it so strongly it is only a matter of time. Cut the losses and draw a line where it intrudes upon church freedoms.
(2) Republicans need to accept cannibas legalization as well. It is harmless in the eyes if most and hurts nobody but the user. Draw the line at harder stuff and otherwise treat it as booze as far as laws go (in states thst legslize it).
(4) Republicans need to draw the abortion battle differently. Insist that mothers get an ultrasound for health reasons before an abortion. Mothers that see am ultrasound tend to see a baby and change their mind. Force Dems into fighting against this, make them explsin that an ultrasound shows a baby and not tissue. Yes many doctors would break the rule and not do thevultrasound but the arguement iscwinnable as ultrasounds get better and better.
(5) Republicans need to hammer the immigration issue by attacking red tape that make it tough for legak immigrants to get work visas and citizenship and push for civics and English to help them prosper. Turn the illegal argument into one about cutting in line, they can get to the end and try like everybody else. Then position the dems as niave tools of Mexicsn oligarchs and sex trafficers.
Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-11-09 08:14||
#12 #7 Klik hier. Besoeker, the D-bomb has dropped and exploded. The D-Bomb being the "dumb bomb?" The D-bomb is the enemy of a free society. Politicians who get elected such as recently rely upon an uninformed electorate--in fact they promote such a society.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-09 08:17||
Money Tree - by Kilgore Trout
Trout, incidentally, had written a book about a money tree. It had twenty-dollar bills for leaves. Its flowers were government bonds. Its fruit was diamonds. It attracted human beings who killed each other around the roots and made very good fertilizer.
So it goes.
(Trout - AKA Kurt V.)
The Big Board - by Kilgore Trout
... It was about an Earthling man and woman who were kidnapped by extra-terrestrials. They were put on display in a zoo on a planet called Zircon-212.
These fictitious people in the zoo had a big board supposedly showing stock market quotations and comodity prices along one wall of their habitat, and a news ticker, and a telephone that was supposedly connected to a brokerage on Earth. The creatures on Zircon-212 told their captives that they had invested a million dollars for them back on Earth, and that it was up to the captives to manage it so that they would be fabulously wealthy when they were returned to Earth.
The telephone and the big board and the ticker were all fakes, of course. They were simply stimulants to make the Earthlings perform vividly for the crowds at the zoo--to make them jump up and down and cheer, or gloat, or sulk, or tear their hair, to be scared shitless or to feel as contented as babies in their mothers' arms.
The Earthlings did very well on paper. That was part of the rigging, of course. And religion got mixed up in it, too. The news ticker reminded them that the President of the United States had declared National Prayer Week, and that everybody should pray. The Earthlings had had a bad week on the market before that. They had lost a small fortune in olive oil futures. So they gave praying a whirl.
It worked. Olive oil went up.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 09:15||
#14 Then there is: "Venus on the Half-Shell is a science fiction novel by Philip Josť Farmer, writing pseudonymously as "Kilgore Trout">
In this version one of the stops is the planet of free lunch...
Another disaster area was the planet with such wide ranging laws with strong sentences that everybody on the planet was in jail.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 09:22||
#15 The election was about none of those things Richard.
Mitt Romney could have been a single, gaye republican, pot smoking black transvestite from Mexico (with questionable birth certificate and secret college transcripts) and he would still have been defeated by the Chicago machine. The election was simply about control.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-11-09 09:33||
#16 I second most, if not all, of Rjschwarz's points.
No question this election was about re-electing the first black president. How else do we explain the record high voter turnout for the Dems despite most polls showing an enthusiasm gap favoring the Repubs? Those who elected 0bama in 2008 had a lot to lose in this election. Among the obvious government programs, hand-outs, and what-not that they favor, their pride was at stake and pride can be a strong motivator. There was no way they were going to let the first black administration go down as a failed, one-term presidency on their watch, lest they look like fools for voting him into office in the first place.
Re #1: Long term, opposition to gay marriage is a losing issue for the GOP for two major reasons: 1) Younger generations like myself (I'm in my late thirties) have been exposed to gay relationships and have no inherent problem with them. Some of the most stable and loving relationships that I know of happen to be gay couples. 2) The population growth of most urban areas is outpacing suburban and rural areas (Detroit being one obvious exception, among a few others). The demographics of these urban areas happen to be more diverse and liberal. Just look at the map of red/blue voting results by county and it's fairly obvious that the more populous urban counties pushed swing states into the blue column. Whereas 20-30+ years ago, people were moving out of cities and into the suburbs, the reverse is now true.
Re #2: Totally agree. Anyone who has been around cannabis at all will tell you that it is no more/less harmful than alcohol, both in it's impact on the individual and society at large. If properly regulated and taxed, it could prove to be a decent source of revenue (and God knows we need all the revenue we can get).
Re #3: The abortion battle needs to recognize that most women today are pro-choice and the chances of that ever changing is slim to none (and I think slim just left town). How else do we explain the huge gap in the female vote between 0bama and Romney? For better or worse, abortion is here to stay. Which means, in my opinion, that Repubs must put the emphasis on choice. Let me explain. If abortion is a choice, then it should not be funded in any way by the government (i.e. the taxpayer). Furthermore, religious institutions, employers, and other private enterprises that choose not to fund or offer abortion are exercising their choice. It is not discrimination, as much as the liberals want to claim so. If conservatives agree not to infringe upon an individual's choice to get an abortion, then liberals must agree not to infringe upon an individual's choice not to provide for it.
Re #4: What Rjschwarz said.
Posted by eltoroverde 2012-11-09 10:11||
#17 Judeo-Christian values is what made this nation the most blessed nation in the history of mankind. Cesspool values are returning this nation and the world back to a spinning ball of hell.
But that is predicted in the prophetic scriptures associated with Judeo-Christian values.
Posted by Theanter de Medici9194 2012-11-09 10:53||
#18 That would be "Dreams From my Father" Tribal cesspool values Theanter de Medici9194. Basic, garden variety headman Tribal values!
Posted by Besoeker 2012-11-09 11:15||
#19 I don't discount Besoeker's point about Chicago-style, machine politics at the national level here. At the same time, if the Republican's can't convince voters in the more populated urban areas of swing states to vote for them, despite the economic challenges in front of us, they have a problem on their hands and it's not a small one.
Posted by eltoroverde 2012-11-09 11:16||
#20 The Urban political party understands control eltoroverde. They've been exercising it in Chicago and surrounding counties for nearly over one hundred years. Republican voter apathy runs rampant when the urgan megalopolis and electoral college renders their vote of no consequence. The democratic party is fully aware of the dynamic and advantages it at every opportunity. So-called Swing States were specifically provided long-term targeting and those already in the collective bag (such as, California, Washington, Vermont, Oregon, New Mexico) were little heard from.
The Framers of the Constitution never envisioned huge city states or an ethnically fractured population. Their vision was that of America being Americans, not some collection of divided and hyphenated subspecies.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-11-09 11:33||
#21 I think some of the points raised here are just dancing around the margins. Legal pot, ok, fine. I'm for legalizing everything--but no one cares.
The Tea Party was a spontaneous uprising over what? Pot? No! Lower taxes, less spending, smaller government. Those are our issues. Everything else is on the margin. Problem is that no one is the mainstream GOP believes in any of this. Just listen to that idiot Boehner wrapping his lips around Champ's anus. It's maddening (though, if the rumors are true, Barack is enjoying it).
Posted by Iblis 2012-11-09 11:41||
#22 2 Points:
The Tea Party represents the greatest threat to American politics today. Why? Because its ideas are not ideology based and transcend both parties. This is Power! That is why the Dem's demonize it so strongly. The Republicans didn't see this soon enough. The best thing that can happen is for the Tea Party to somehow "infect" the Dem's. But it will be difficult because their propaganda campaign really hurt the Tea Party.
If my party changes it values, it is no longer my party! This is what the opposition wants. IT is decay and the slow death, because the opposition dictates your position.
Posted by jefe101 2012-11-09 11:48||
#23 Disagree, rj. You do those things and we will cease to exist as a nation. But then we probably already have.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2012-11-09 11:49||
#24 After this election, I said well the Republicans had a reasonably good candidate, a good man who fought the good fight. Unfortunately, Obama did not observe the good fight rules. The Democrats left their election machine in place across the country after the 2008 election. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Meanwhile, the Republicans were going through the primaries trying to decide upon a suitable candidate. Meanwhile the Democrats set out to kill any Republican who started to emerge as a viable candidate. If they could not dig up dirt, they made it up. Bimbos who thought they had sex with one of the Republican candidates came out of the woodwork and disappeared just as quickly after the damage was done. A person's sealed divorce records--no problem. A person worked hard all his life and did everything right--no problem, that can be easily turned into a negative. The MSM went along with all of this. This is the machine is what the Republicans are dealing with. The Republicans showed up late for a boxing match and the Democrats showed up early for an eye-gouging, ear-biting, sucker-punching nut grabbing street fight. If I believed in the devil, I would think he looked like the Democratic Party.
The Democrats have won elections by promising people things--no matter than many of the promises were so much hot air to get elected. That said, I sat back and asked myself, suppose a third party emerged which was the party of everything. It even made the current crop of leftist Democrats appear to be conservative. It would be the party of everything for everybody. I started to think about this and frankly, the thought was frightening. Open borders, unlimited pot and yes why not other drugs too? Abortion on demand anytime? Fine. Just let your mind roam and consider all the possibilities. Who could refuse such a party (sarc on)? The Democrats would be hard-pressed playing catch up.
Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-09 12:32||
#25 Ebbang Uluque6305 consider this song from the 1920's... or earlier.... Then consider that every block in major cites used to have a whorehouse... It's never been that mythical upright country...
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 12:37||
#26 What is different Ebbang Uluque6305 is that voting was once the sole privilege of property owning men.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 12:38||
#27 Put in other words... if you were successful enough to own property you had your own castle and full rights.
If you were not able to own property... tough titties. That was the whole game.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 12:42||
#28 once the electorate was expanded "Free Lunch" was only a matter of time.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 12:46||
#29 So what you're saying, Water Modem, is that all we can have in a society is either pre-Arthurian chaos Briton or Edward Longshanks?
Sorry, there are more choices than that. History is full of them.
Posted by no mo uro 2012-11-09 12:58||
#30 no mo uro - then it needs to be designed not to be chaos. It isn't our society was designed for the castle model. When the serfs/slaves were freed the model was not changed. In a sense the end is just at matter of time. I am not advocating one or another just making the point. It wasn't well thought out.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 13:04||
#31 This guy talks about how he and his artist friends are getting government grants and funding. Who is paying for all this?
*THAT* is where the Stimulus money went. To literally buy votes for Obama.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-09 13:04||
#32 Personally I kind of like the 'Starship Troopers' model.
If you want to be a citizen and be able to vote you have to *earn* it - by doing joining the service or doing some significant personal contribution (and not simply buying it).
Be a Producer and not a Moocher (like the people in the video) or a Looter or Destroyer.
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-09 13:09||
The official 2012 results.
Posted by Bugs Uleger6376 2012-11-09 13:09||
#34 Looking at the map, do we have representation or not?
Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-09 13:37||
#35 Impressive results. I have an idea. If you are conservative and unemployed, move to a blue area. Change the demographic, change the result. We are only really talking about one or two counties in each state. Conservative parents send your kids to targeted schools in blue areas where the college is a significant voting populace compared to the locals. Change the demo of the college and affect the local vote. It is not necessary to change the party platform, only change the voting demographic in targeted counties. This should have started on Nov. 7.
Posted by jefe101 2012-11-09 13:44||
#36 No. But if you are a liberal, I wouldn't leave town after dark.
Posted by European Conservative 2012-11-09 13:52||
#39 Heck wr - In some of those liberal cities its not safe to leave your *home* after dark!
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-09 14:18||
#40 Interesting... so the Jersey shore that was trashed by the storm voted red.
Posted by Water Modem 2012-11-09 14:39||
#41 CrazyFool, the problem with the Starship Troopers model is the military still has its REMFs and they can protect the elites so it would be a matter of them suffering through a safe 2 year desk job. The military would be worse for it as the tail grew ten times larger than the teeth as the march through the institutions continued into the military.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-11-09 15:34||
#42 That map carries an and significant historical feature. The blue swath thru the middle of the otherwise Red South. That's the Cotton Belt. It has persisted since Eli Whitney tried to destroy the country.
Posted by Shipman 2012-11-09 15:56||
#43 Iblis, In my four point post (with the misnumbering) I didn't include economic issues because the Republicans should not change their stance on that very much. I would suggest they agree to increase taxes on those making over 500k (as 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties voted for Obama) and demand a tax on wealth and not earnings so as to save the budget. Thus turning the Dems into the 1% and the ones fighting the tax increase. Read that idea somewhere recently and I really like it.
Posted by rjschwarz 2012-11-09 20:08||
#44 If the Republican Party becomes pro-abortion, I will leave the Republican Party. Simple as that. This is a foundational belief and I will not abandon it.
Posted by Secret Master 2012-11-09 21:04||
#45 I never suggested that the Republicans become pro-abortion, just that they fight the battle using ultrasounds as the better ultrasounds become the less likely a woman is to abort. Dems know this which is why they fight mandatory ultrasounds.
Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-11-09 21:42||
#46 Your probably right rjschwarz - but it would be a damn sight better than these useless moochers.
Ever notice how these people always talk about 'me... me... me... I want... I get...'? Selfish bastards aren't they?
Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-09 22:07||
#47 While I may have used the word "I" twice in the above statement CrazyFool, it has never been in my personal interests to oppose abortion. Quite the contrary: it has cost me friends and customers over the years. But killing children for the crime of being inconvenient always has been, and always will be, wrong.
With that said, Rjschwarz's point about fighting intelligently is an intelligent one.
Posted by Secret Master 2012-11-09 22:19||
#48 I do not think these points address the problem. It is bandaid politics. The countries demographic is changing. The population growing the fastest is hispanic. Hispanic's are social conservatives. Yet hispaanics, which should be in Rep camp are not. The first 3 of RJ's points don't matter to them, the 4th does. The Rep's have let the Dem's define them for to long. The Rep's need a real effort to fix the Dem definition. 2 years ago in a suburb of Seattle, next to boeing, Dem's (who were white old ladies and did not speek Spanish) were canvassing with spanish language newspapers in a hispanic neighborhood in Seattle. I never saw a Rep in the 4 years prior to the election in any neighborhood.
Posted by jefe101 2012-11-09 23:39||