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2006-04-04 Iraq
Jabr refuses to deploy US-trained police
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Posted by Dan Darling 2006-04-04 02:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Housecleaning time. Enough of this shit. Jabr, Jaafari, throw the entire lot out and start over. No apologies.
Posted by Angomp Omang4072 2006-04-04 03:40||   2006-04-04 03:40|| Front Page Top

#2 Obviously the Mullahs succeeded in planting agents and subverting the election - recall the tankers filled with phoney ballots, the millions ($70M, wasn't it?) spent every month for the militias and agents - and they bought the SCIRI party leaders outright. We should've taken those reports seriously and acted. Damn. I'm afraid we're just not devious enough or paranoid enough to do business with Arabs.

Take down the Mullahs and eliminate Sadr and his militia both with extreme prejudice, and then see if the assholes can win without the money and dirty tricks. If they do, then fuck em.
Posted by Angomp Omang4072 2006-04-04 04:30||   2006-04-04 04:30|| Front Page Top

#3 I agree. With great misgivings and deepest regrets to the world community, we should decisively imprison or shoot all the throwbacks to the dark ages of history, disband SCIRI, and insist that modern, civilized, and approximately "neutral" professional forces hold all the power in Iraq.

Hey - it's not goung to be idealistic democracy, or open-minded tolerance of another culture - but, well, we live in an imperfect world, and everyone is just going to have to get used to a secular Iraq.

Weeping, gnashing of teeth, and howls of frustration will be allowed - but - to a certain extent, the fate of the world as we know it depends on Iraq not turning into a wellspring of the Caliphate, and if it takes an arrogance similar to that which spawned the "Monroe Doctrine", so be it.

I cannot friggin' believe that the lessons of just 60 years ago have been completely forgotten. In those days, no one involved in rebuilding Germany or Japan would have given ANY consideration WHATSOEVER to allowing remnants of the former population to resist establishment of a stable nation, with strong rule of law.

"Tolerance of different viewpoints and perspectives" - that sounds good in parlour arguments. But - forget about that on the ground.

Time to lay out the choices : either get with the modern program that runs most of the succesful part of the world, or become a revered ancestor - like, immediately.

We don't need to apologize, or squirm in embarrassment. Just get it done - carrying a bigger stick that the gangster militias. They don;t have to like it - they just have to live with it.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2006-04-04 05:51||   2006-04-04 05:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Agreed. I'm fed up.
Posted by anon 2006-04-04 07:22||   2006-04-04 07:22|| Front Page Top

#5 It's going to be hard because of the publicity. Perhaps the shakeup could be done under cover from a monthlong bombardment of Iran's defence and nuclear facilities.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-04 07:52||   2006-04-04 07:52|| Front Page Top

#6 "Many Sunnis now say they would rather be detained by the Americans than the Iraqi police." Does this mean that Rumsfeld's tilt hs finally begun?
Posted by Perfesser 2006-04-04 09:21||   2006-04-04 09:21|| Front Page Top

#7 Despite Jabr, SCIRI seems to have been more cooperative than the other Shiite parties. You can support having Jabr fired - but you cant just go in and disband Iraqi political parties. Not if you expect to have an Iraqi army and police force fighting by your side in large numbers. And if you dont want them, you need a lot more American forces. the 133,000 who are left are not enough. Does the admin have any appetite for a significant buildup in Iraq? I dont think so.

So we're going to have to maneuver more subtly.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-04 09:54||   2006-04-04 09:54|| Front Page Top

#8 You seem to forget, we just conquered this country. We'll conquer it again if necessary. We should dictate the removal of all things Iranian, period. All those not in favor, line up against the wall.
Posted by wxjames 2006-04-04 10:38||   2006-04-04 10:38|| Front Page Top

#9 "the lessons of just 60 years ago have been completely forgotten ignored."

There, that sounds more accurate to me.
Posted by Fordesque 2006-04-04 11:35||   2006-04-04 11:35|| Front Page Top

#10 In those days, no one involved in rebuilding Germany or Japan would have given ANY consideration WHATSOEVER to allowing remnants of the former population to resist establishment of a stable nation

Seems to me that Lone Ranger's never heard of Hirohito (and his successors). Oh wait, that'd just contradict you, now wouldn't it?
Posted by Edward Yee 2006-04-04 13:02|| http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]">[http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]  2006-04-04 13:02|| Front Page Top

#11 #8

we conquered it 3 years ago. And we never really conquered the Sunni triangle, not till the last few months. We didnt really conquer the Iraqi Shia, either, cause contrary to the MSM and the left, they DID welcome us (though not with flowers) What we did was destroy Saddams army. With the force we have in Iraq, we've only managed to really be able to hold gains in the Sunni Triangle since weve trained up enough Iraqis to give us more boots on the ground. Now I suppose we could play a game of terr hunting in the Sunni triangle indefinitely, with our current forces alone. I dont think anyone serious thinks thats a very good idea.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-04-04 13:26||   2006-04-04 13:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Edward - You better go study the transcripts of Hirohito's radiu broadcast to the nation of Japan - explaining the decision to surrender -which was the first time a Japanese Emperor's voice had ever been heard by most Japanese citizens. After the surrender, Hirohito was completely cooperative with the true decision-maker in post-war Japan - GEN Douglas MacArthur.

Had MacArthur felt that Hirohito was an impediment, Hirohito would have been hung the next day.

You need to spend more time studying.

My father - an officer in the 11th Airborne Division - accepted the Japanese surrender in Sendai - and then served another year in the occupation forces. He was a minor player - but clearly understood that the Japanese Emporer had proclaimed cooperation - albeit at peril of utter destruction.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2006-04-04 14:51||   2006-04-04 14:51|| Front Page Top

#13 Jabr may not have long to live.
Posted by Captain America 2006-04-04 20:47||   2006-04-04 20:47|| Front Page Top

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