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2013-02-09 -Lurid Crime Tales-
Hunt for killer continues in snowy California mountains
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Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-09 12:17|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [287 views ]  Top

#1 It's potentially more of a problem than that. There is a real possibility that the fugitive Dornan has planned out this whole sequence of events. In which case - the cops are looking in the wrong area and their manpower is being exhausted. Dornan may be using the opportunity to go deeper into cover somewhere else in the country - or to strike back at the LAPD in an unexpected way.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 13:04||   2013-02-09 13:04|| Front Page Top

#2 More of a problem indeed. He's had ample opportunity for planning and rehearsal. If he's still in the US [which is a big if] he could be assisted by accomplices which brings up an entirely new aspect. The 1996 Atlanta Centennial Olympic park bomber somehow alluded police and Federal agents for five years. The technique of selected assassination which this fellow has used could certainly be repeated.


Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-09 13:33||   2013-02-09 13:33|| Front Page Top

#3 An old cop friend of mine used to say, "if all the bad guys were smart the prisons would be empty."

This fellow may well be at least half-smart, and he could be on the run for quite a long time.
Posted by Steve White 2013-02-09 14:44||   2013-02-09 14:44|| Front Page Top

#4 .he could be assisted by accomplices.

Given he's in CA, that could encompass a large portion of the population who have zero loyalty to the oppressive racist white conspiracy, The Man (/sarc off). That would be any UC campus, any hood, any dilettante enclave, most of the Bay, etc.
Posted by Procopius2k 2013-02-09 14:56||   2013-02-09 14:56|| Front Page Top

#5 I'll bet he torched his vehicle to make the police think he was in the area. Got a feeling he is long gone--maybe back to where the crimes were committed.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-02-09 15:22||   2013-02-09 15:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Here is a full source to Dornan's manifesto. I suggest that you read it. This man is not a rambling lunatic. His wording is lucid, his memory of events is very clear, and he appears to have an honest grievance with the LAPD. It is tragic that he decided to elevate this grievance into a full-blown personal war.

http://www.examiner.com/article/full-chrostpoder-j-dorner-manifesto?cid=rss

The manifesto is long, and while it is not rambling, it may point to psychological problems with Dornan. But that is something we will never know now.

The manifesto is also deadly serious. Dornan is not going to stop drawing blood on the LAPD - until someone brings him down permanently. This ain't over ... until it is over.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 16:05||   2013-02-09 16:05|| Front Page Top

#7 @ Raider (above)... you are completely correct in your assessment. He would have been better to go to the FBI and the media with his beef. Once you commit murder, you cross the line. Now he's a deadman walking, allowing revenge to be his rather than the Lords. Dad, he actually seems like a decent who was very moralistic before he cracked. I'm also worried about why so long before he executed his plan. He was fired 4 years ago and just recently returned from duty. Why now?? I think the blownup truck was a diversion. Bet they find a timer and explosive residue on the truck. Bet he was long gone by the time they found the truck.
Posted by Mikey Hunt 2013-02-09 16:18||   2013-02-09 16:18|| Front Page Top

#8 Mikey ... yep I agree. Dornan has had a long time to plan this all out. That fact alonbe does not bode well. He's got a big time gap in his life since he separated from the LAPD in '08 or '09. No-one seems to know what he was doing, It sure looks like he has planned a very careful revenge operation.

We'll have to see how this plays out. Meanwhile all LAPD officers are on call, and many are pulling duty in the mountains under freezing conditions. This is a real-life Rambo movie. Just crazy.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 16:24||   2013-02-09 16:24|| Front Page Top

#9 Put a $250,000 tax free bounty 'leading to his arrest or capture' on his murdering ass. Sit by the phone, sip some coffee and wait.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-09 16:32||   2013-02-09 16:32|| Front Page Top

#10 Besorker - that's actually not a bad suggestion. With the economy down and many folks hurting for cash - it would draw a lot of attention. It would also attract many bounty hunters - some of whom are good at what they do. I get the impression that The Thin Blue Line (LAPD) wants to keep this issue as strictly internal - and kill Dornan as fast as possible.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 17:52||   2013-02-09 17:52|| Front Page Top

#11 The Thin Blue Line (LAPD) wants to keep this issue as strictly internal - and kill Dornan as fast as possible.

The way the LAPD shot up that truck makes that obvious. Panicked for their physical safety and job security.

They must have put a hundred rounds into that neighborhood. Not only the truck, but people's cars and houses. An elite force, don't you know.

If the newspaper delivery woman has a halfway decent lawyer, she should be set for life.
Posted by KBK 2013-02-09 18:22||   2013-02-09 18:22|| Front Page Top

#12 "The way the LAPD shot up that truck makes that obvious. Panicked for their physical safety and job security."

I live less than a mile from where that happened. Those shots woke up my family last Thurs morning. I'd say there were about two dozen rounds fired - or maybe slightly less.

But yes - you're right. Inaccurate shooting and no ID of the target. The officers who fired those shots were obviously rattled by the situation. They were protecting themselves and the person they were assigned to keep safe ... but not the neighborhood as a whole.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 18:27||   2013-02-09 18:27|| Front Page Top

#13 Good thing they were not in Afghanistan. The ROE would have had them all sent to the Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

Of course this is the United Police States where anything goes.

Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-09 18:36||   2013-02-09 18:36|| Front Page Top

#14 Read the manifesto. Nice of him to take time out in his rant from issuing death threats and talking about all the weapons he owns to call for gun control and express his support for Diane Fienstein. Very socially conscious. He also gives a shout out to Anthony Bourdain and Michelle Obamas' bangs.
Posted by Secret Master 2013-02-09 18:47||   2013-02-09 18:47|| Front Page Top

#15 All that keeps coming to my mind when I think about this is 'helter-skelter' - how the Manson family apparently intended the Tate/LoBianco murders to set off a race war. I was a teenager in a distant LA suburb when it all happened, and I remember how creeped out and genuinely frightened people were by the Manson murders. This gives me the same feeling. He's gone to ground somewhere, almost certainly he has made long-term plans, he probably has friends, and from the comment threads on other websites, he may have a lot of supporters by now. There's a lot of places in SoCal where he can blend in and remain at large. Where my mother lives isn't one of them, although it is a community in San Diego County located on one of the backroads leading towards the Mexican border. There, he'd stand out like a tarantula on a slice of angel-food cake, to quote Raymond Chandler. It does argue against his competence, though, that he bungled stealing a boat from a yacht basin in Point Loma, though.
Posted by Sgt. Mom  2013-02-09 18:53|| http://www.ncobrief.com  2013-02-09 18:53|| Front Page Top

#16 Wonder how this nutcase was ever recruited in the first place.

Sorry.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-02-09 18:55||   2013-02-09 18:55|| Front Page Top

#17 "from the comment threads on other websites, he may have a lot of supporters by now"

"Supporters" - you mean people who approve of murdering innocent people uninvolved in his firing. Gee, too bad the innocent people he murdered weren't their relatives. I'm sure they've still support him, nicht wahr?
Posted by Barbara 2013-02-09 19:09||   2013-02-09 19:09|| Front Page Top

#18 Yeah, sick, isn't it? The plain and obvious fact that he DID cold-bloodedly target and murder two people who were only connected by family to a person that he blamed for some of his misfortune is the only thing that likely has kept him from having more supporters.
I can see him being painted in certain circles as a kind of Robin Hoodish crusader for justice ... and protected by an ugly alliance of lefty anti-cop types and black racists.
Posted by Sgt. Mom  2013-02-09 19:29|| http://www.ncobrief.com  2013-02-09 19:29|| Front Page Top

#19 Read the Manifesto, NO he DOESN'T sound nuts, he sounds PISSED and with good reason.

Killing is wrong, but I do see where there is NO OTHER OPTION.

I suspect that there'll be n overhaul of the LAPD, and with good reson.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-02-09 19:43||   2013-02-09 19:43|| Front Page Top

#20 Put me in the "you symps should be ashamed of yourselves" group
Posted by Frank G 2013-02-09 20:09||   2013-02-09 20:09|| Front Page Top

#21 I checked further facts. Dornan filed a suit thru the CA courts, but lost. He appealed and lost the appeal in 2011. So basically he exhausted all legal options. That left him with two possible approaches. The first was to take his complaint to the Feds - but maybe had had lost faith in the SYSTEM by that stage. Or the second was just to walk away and forget it.

Still ... he's murdered a cop, and two completely innocent people. The two civilians he killed had no direct connection with his life (except as a target for revenge). So he pretty much lost the public sympathy at this stage.

It's a mess.
I doubt that the LAPD will be changed because of it.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 20:12||   2013-02-09 20:12|| Front Page Top

#22 "It does argue against his competence, though, that he bungled stealing a boat from a yacht basin in Point Loma, though. "

Absolutely true. I thought the same thing. In a weird waqy - he extended his life by a few days. Just how does a 6-foot 270 pound black man blend in ... in Mexico. he would have been picked up immediately.

My guess is that the LAPD may accept help from the Feds and US Special Forces. He will be hunted down and shot. Game over.
Posted by Raider 2013-02-09 20:18||   2013-02-09 20:18|| Front Page Top

#23 "I do see where there is NO OTHER OPTION"

I have to disagree, RJ. If he shot one of your family members because he's pissed off at someone else (or even at you), would you still say he had "no other option"?

There is always another option besides murdering innocent people who were just going around minding their own business.
Posted by Barbara 2013-02-09 23:05||   2013-02-09 23:05|| Front Page Top

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