Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
#1 You can really depend on Cowardice. Its as basic as bread.
The majority are cowards. There are only six men out of any hundred who will fight. Most of the rest will cringe, beg, and kneel.
Its practically dependably certain.
Let's give them our guns and then bend over. We might even get used to it after a while. All those people living in suburbia with cuddly Golden Labradors and children named Kimberly and Brad. Let's all sit in front of the TV and watch CNN and wait for "somebody" to "do something ".
Biden is your friend ? And Nancy Pelosi has your best interests at heart. They are just doing their job.
Fuck that shit, Mr. Threater Flusoper9823. Or "Stuff and nonsense", if my previous bluntness shocks you. I'm leaving your post up so everyone can see exactly to what I am responding.
The majority of humans are sheep, the minority split unevenly between sheepdogs and wolves. This has always been so, and is not changed by propagandist terms like cowardice. But as we saw on Flight 93, American sheep are a different breed, well able to turn and trample wolves to death when roused, freeing the sheepdogs to track the wolves to their lairs.
And about those surbanites you so despise, sneering like the black turtleneck-clad, French clove cigarette-smoking pseudo-intellectuals of my oh-so-callow youth: Those denizens of the sterile 'burbs are living out the bourgeois values that make America so much more worth living in than, say Pakistan. They work hard, improve their homes, make sure their childen do their homework and get to enriching activities like soccer and piano lessons that will make them better people and better citizens. They vote as a matter of principle, and tend to vote Republican -- it's the cities, after all, that house the Democratic party machines which ensure regular 110% turnouts.
The sturdy country yeomen Jefferson praised have mostly moved to the suburbs, where they quietly continue to create and maintain the nation our sheepdogs find worthwhile to stepping forward to protect. These people are the backbone and heart of the country, paying the taxes, caring for the aging parents, and trying to put kids through college and started in life. It is they who are the majority of gun owners and TEA partiers and the retired military folk. They have already organized themselves to fight, Mr. Threater Flusoper9823. They have, in fact, been fighting. They didn't bother to wait for you to lead them.
And you dare sneer at them.
Most sincerely yours,
trailing wife at 6:31 ET
Posted by Threater Flusoper9823 2013-01-10 03:48||
#2 TW I think that you're over reacting. The only thing wrong with TF's comment is that his percentage is exaggerated.
In those oh so intellectual, elite 'burbs of Mass or DC for example I think that the majority (aka 51 of a hundred) are cowardly in the face of assertive gov't.
The caveat is that they may not be cowardly, but they may be conspirators (not mutually exclusive). Afterall they consider themselves the elite and destined to rule. Why would they fight those who will place them in power?
Posted by AlanC 2013-01-10 07:08||
#3 Our New Years Update:
Kimberly has graduated from UCLA and is now working at a law firm in the Bay area supporting the Code Pink movement. Brad is in his sixth year at William and Mary and is on an academic sabbatical hiking in the Himalayas with his fiancÚ Greg. Sadly, we had to put Ginger down last year. She began to make threatening gestures at Shyntranda the mailperson. Tom's mother is doing better, (hikes the mall every day with her group from Glenmanner) but she still insists she doesn't know any of us and wants to come home, which we all know is impossible. We suspect mom may have been watching Fox and tutoring Ginger behind our backs.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-10 07:50||
#4 Most of us suburbanites don't live in those elite communities, AlanC. We here in flyover country have elected Republican governors, for the most part, who are balancing budgets, refusing to get involved in Obamacare, and not talking of confiscating legal guns.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (molon labe), the title of this article, translates as "Come and take them." It was the answer King Leonidas gave to the Persian demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons.
Posted by trailing wife 2013-01-10 07:59||
#5 Hurrah, Hurrah, Hurrah TW for allowing the "don't trifle with me' fury to vent! Evidenced before you Gentlemen is a demonstration of this nation's foundation of greatness, rightous indignation.
AlanC, voting (51:47) is a pale shade of the Solzhenitsyn rebellious rant. TF's 94:6 count is much closer to the number found on the killing field.
Posted by Skidmark 2013-01-10 08:15||
#6 "Come and take it" was also the motto on the home-made silk banner flown by the militia of Texas, when the stout citizens of Gonzales (aided by other volunteers from across the Anglo settlements of Texas) refused a request from the military governor to return a little 6-pound cannon that they had been loaned for protection. The citizens feared that it would be used against them. This defiance kicked off the Texas war for independence in 1835. Whole story here.
#7 TF's 94:6 count is much closer to the number found on the killing field.
Skidmark, what is the ratio of those Americans suffering a home invasion? The killing fields of external war (the only kind we Americans have fought post 1865) are a different circumstance and a different sector of the population.
Posted by trailing wife 2013-01-10 08:37||
#8 If Obama goes for firearm confiscation (which is the ultimate goal of the left), he may just see what the American people are made of. I suspect that he may "misunderestimate" them and have his hands full.
Posted by JohnQC 2013-01-10 09:32||
#9 I once knew a Cambodian gentlemen who escaped the "Killing Fields" of the Khemer Red by fixing small electric motors, fans, etc. Others who were summoned to the task and failed.... were executed. I suppose we should all study up on our electronics and home repair skills. Repair and LIVE!
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-10 09:36||
In Bill Whittle's blog I read that one day when he was a child after seeing a picture of people being led to the gas chambers by a ridiculous number of guards without automatic weapons he asked to his father: "Why is that these people didn't revolt? Do you think Americans would have reacted like that" And his father said, that no he didn't think so.
I think that people used to be armed don't fel defenceless in front of a an armed man even if they happen to be unarmed at this moment. They will try to find means to knock him out and grab his weapon while people who have become used to be unarmed will feel powerless and will fail to exploit opportunities to reverse the tables. Look at that Norwegian who roamed an island for several hours shooting people without anyone (and most of the people were either in theur early tewnties or in their late teens ie the best age for a soldier) trying to ambush him despite the numerous opportunities in an island who was mostly covered by woods. That is what you have most to fear by Obama's projects of disarming America, it will not be merely because you will be at the mercy of his thugs but because it will make sheep of you.
#11 They aren't going for confiscation right now; just floating the idea to establish the negotiating window (see Overton Window), such that the eventual laws will seem less onerous/more acceptable than they 'would have been'.
Posted by Glenmore 2013-01-10 09:50||
#12 picture of people being led to the gas chambers by a ridiculous number of guards without automatic weapons. JFM
There was no media (as we know it) available at the time. "Guards without automatic weapons" were the message.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-10 09:56||
#13 Sorry TW, my work is in crimes of the mind, not of the neighborhood. I don't have a number for that.
Posted by Skidmark 2013-01-10 10:27||
#14 Bravo TW! While these people slowly turn us into criminals their fasism will eventually turn on them.
Posted by 49 Pan 2013-01-10 10:37||
Posted by tipper 2013-01-10 10:55||
#16 Fuck that shit, Mr. Threater Flusoper9823
I've been buried at work and am just getting to the Burg for the first time today. Otherwise I would have said it first.
Enough of the sneering crap.
Posted by lotp 2013-01-10 11:57||
#17 No compromise!
Posted by JohnQC 2013-01-10 12:28||
#18 Bravo, Bravo TW!
The key to understanding elites of all types is that they leave the dirty work to others. They live off the design margin created by others and hand out goodies from that design margin to those who leave the task of working to others. As such, the elites have an inflated opinion of themselves because all they have to do is "pass a law", "make a regulation", or "sign an executive order", and VOILA, 'tis done!
Our advantage is that gun owners are VERY aware of the history of guns in Nazi Germany and in communist countries. There is no ignorance of what is in store. There is no excuse for not knowing. Ignorance and unknowing cannot be imposed by the MSM upon an unwilling and ungullible listener/viewer.
╠¤╦┘═ ╦A┬┼ is the phrase bringing their little fantasy world crashing down on their heads. It's saying "No. YOU WORK FOR IT!"
Posted by Ptah 2013-01-10 12:53||
#19 Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, TF. But you really hit a nerve. In the future you may want to use the /sarc tag on such comments. Er, that is, unless you really mean it. But I'd rather avoid the wrath of folks like TW who can shred you with a very few well chosen words and make you look like a fool for the whole wide web to see. They don't call it Rantburg for nothin'.
I myself never had a gun. I never felt the need for one until now. It's ironic that all these hysterical calls for gun control have created such a great demand for guns.
As for the downstairs hall, can I bring my machete? Or would a baseball bat be better? Oh, I know, how about if I bring 'em both?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-01-10 13:00||
#20 Once they prosecute a list, eventually everyone will end up on a list.
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-01-10 13:45||
#21 No Tea for U!
Come back 1 year.
Posted by Shipman 2013-01-10 16:21||
#22 Living in one of those "elite" 'burbs of Mass for the last 30 years I've gotten a jaundiced view of too many of my fellow burbites.
This will not be a philosophy based totalitarian takeover like Naziism or Fascism or Communism. This will be a slow subtle, bit by bit, assault on freedom a wearing away of liberty little by little. So far I've seen nothing that leads me to think that the constant drip will not win over the granite.
Posted by AlanC 2013-01-10 16:37||
#23 @#18: Our advantage is that gun owners are VERY aware of the history of guns in Nazi Germany and in communist countries. There is no ignorance of what is in store.
I had to stop and think a moment to realize how powerful a statement that is.
You are exactly right: it is because I know what happened in Germany, and Russia, and elsewhere, that I know what gun confiscation (e.g., "forced buy-backs") really portends. It's not about preventing violence per se, it's about preventing violence being done to the government officials who will then take the next step to oppress us.
Our Founders understood this, and they didn't even know what a Nazi was (but King George III, him they knew well, and he wasn't nearly a Nazi).
I am much like Ebbang Uluque6305: I do not and have never owned firearms. I'm a doctor; I don't think about taking lives, and I've almost always lived in communities and neighborhoods where I've felt (and where my family felt) safe. I don't hunt, I don't shoot skeet, and I am not a collector. I've never had the urge.
Now for the first time in my life I'm contemplating buying a pistol. Not just to spite the government, and that's a statement in and of itself, but precisely because if, if, if it's going to come down to a midnight breaking down of my front door, I'm going to be prepared.
Posted by Steve White 2013-01-10 16:55||
#24 Steve: I can't be there in person. But I'm sending along some pistol hand grip tips for your upcoming purchase.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-01-10 17:49||
#25 There was recently an article on Pravda.ru saying, "Don't let them take your firearms!"
Dr. Steve, I think you're making the right choice - for your family and your life. Too bad it's come to that. Damn Leftists. :-(
Posted by Barbara 2013-01-10 19:20||
#27 Now for the first time in my life I'm contemplating buying a pistol. Not just to spite the government, and that's a statement in and of itself, but precisely because if, if, if it's going to come down to a midnight breaking down of my front door, I'm going to be prepared.
Then you better buy a shotgun. Preferably a 12 gauge. Look at the Remington 1100 TAC-4, semi-auto. Has an extended magazine tube. Holds 8 in the pipe and one in the spout.
Properly used it will stop a lot of trouble. If you have to shoot a certain type that might be wearing a vest, shoot for the groin. Slugs or heavy buck, bleed outs are quick and you break a pelvis they go down and stay down.
Posted by Secret Asian Man 2013-01-10 19:27||
#28 --#20. In regards to lists. As the blogger in New York showed the world when a newspaper published a map of registered gun owners and he reponded by publishing a map of the homes of the newspaper's employees. Lists work both ways.
In the end the newspaper hired armed guards wich is much more expensive than a .38 Special.
#29 Most of us suburbanites don't live in those elite communities, AlanC.
We're not as worthy as Angleton9 Threater Flusoper9823, tw dear, because we've never swam in a Coachella Valley irrigation canal in our undies as 'youts', or get an intense erotic satisfaction with using lurid snuff-prose.
Frankly the 'just six men' is crap. Unless one believes that the six shrug off the bullets and the shrapnel and don't need the corpsman who gets the task of plugging the holes, pumping in the fluids and putting the body-parts in some semblance of order for the docs down the line to save, all the while dodging the same bullets and shrapnel or the other six that get the honor of hauling the broken bodies of the 'killer-hero' to the medevac.
Chocolate soldier. Pheh.
Posted by Pappy 2013-01-10 21:52||