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Afghanistan/South Asia
Tales From Bangladesh
Islamists attacked Jatra, says arrestee
Islamist militants of Jamatul Mujahedin (JM) were involved in Saturday's bomb attack on a Jatra (a folk theatre form) show in Laxmikola village in Shahjahanpur upazila, a detainee confessed to police yesterday. Shafiqullah, who was arrested Monday, also disclosed names of several JM militants responsible for the attack. He admitted he is a JM militant but claimed he had no link with the incident.
"It wasn't me, it wuz dem udder guys! Please don't take me for a ride tonight!"
Police have not disclosed the names for the sake of investigation. They took Shafiqullah to a magistrate's court yesterday, seeking a 15-day remand. Police arrested Shafiqullah from a house in Gabtoli upazila and seized powerful explosives and bomb-making substances.
Meantime, the district administration has recently stopped giving permission for any cultural function to take place on security grounds. Besides, no permission will be given in future unless the organisers obtain police clearance first. Additional Deputy Commissioner (ADC-Revenue) M Rezaul Karim said, "Giving permission to arrange cultural programmes has been stopped on security grounds." The organisers will be given permission once they get security clearance from police and the thana nirbahi officer (TNO), Karim added.
Bogra Superintendent of Police Kazi Mortaz Ahmed said they have asked the district administration in a letter not to give permission to hold any programme without a security certificate.
"No dancing allowed unless we get some overtime"


Early probe in crossfire would have made law enforcers cautious
Former chief justice Muhammad Habibur Rahman yesterday said the law and order men would be more cautious if a report on every death in "cossfire" as asked for since the first such incident occurred. "We have belatedly decided to get a report on every death in crossfire. We ought to have asked for the report when the first incident of death occurred. That would make the law and order men more cautious" said Habibur Rahman, also former chief adviser of caretaker government.
Or at least been more creative
He said however the report is to be made under the Police Regulations.
Justice Habibur was speaking as chief guest at the closing session of a three-day conference on "Human Rights and Governance: Local and Global Perspectives" in in the capital, organised by Manusher Jonno (MJ), an organisation working to promote human rights. "We often forget that the reputation of a country does not depend on how severely the miscreants are dealt with, rather it depends on what treatment is meted out to the accused" he said. Noted lawyer Dr Kamal Hossain and Rokia A Rahman, president of Women Entrepreneurs Association attended the function as special guests. Shaheen Anam, Team Leader of Manusher Jonno, was in the chair.
The former chief justice said that during the "Operation Clean Heart" more than 40 people died in custody. "Instead of facing that uncomfortable situation boldly, we closed all doors of enquiry by passing an indemnity bill" he said.
So the cops got a "get out of jail free" card, sweet!
Dr Kamal Hossain expressed his frustration over the prevailing law and order situation and said no case is taken at any police station without consultation. "I am saying this from my own experience and survey at different bar associations of the country" he added.
RECOMMENDATIONS
The three-day session concluded by presenting a set of recommendations. According to the recommendations, there should be no extra judicial killing without trial, since freedom of judiciary and the government's willingness are enough to curb crime.
Poverty reduction strategic paper (PRSP) and Millennium Development Goal (MDG) should be taken into account while formulating government rules in establishing good governance and human rights.
The role of the attorney general as an independent public prosecutor is vital to keep the judiciary above controversy.
Competent people should be appointed judge in the higher court. Articles 33 and 35 of the constitution should be upheld to function criminal procedure.
Any government move to violate the criminal procedure by forming special forces like the Rapid Action Battalion (Rab), Cheetah and Cobra should be resisted.
Damm, just when I got used to "crossfire" with my coffee!

2 robbers lynched in Bagerhat
Two robbers were lynched by a mob at Kashimpur village under Bagerhat Sadar upazila on Monday night. They are Abul Hossain alias Abu 'dakat', 38, ringleader of notorious 'Abu Bahini' of the Sundarbans and his second-in-command Haidar Shaikh, 31.
Police said Abu along with his six accomplices stormed into the house of shrimp trader Mahatab Shaikh at about 11:00pm. As the inmates cried for help, neighbours rushed to the spot, caught Abu and Haider and beat the two dead. The rest four however managed to flee.
"Run away!"
On information, police reached the spot at about 11:50pm, recovered the bodies and sent them to Bagerhat Sadar Hospital for autopsy. They also recovered a .32 revolver, two bullets and three bombs from the scene. According to Bagerhat police superintendent, Abu 'dakat' was accused in 14 criminal cases including several for murder. He was sentenced to 57 years of rigorous imprisonment in three robbery with murder cases.
So why was he out on the street?
Not just imprisonment, but rigorous imprisonment!

People of Bagerhat, fishermen and bawalis of the Sundarbans and owners of shrimp enclosures of the district have heaved a sigh of relief at the death of the two notorious criminals.
"Hurray! Drinks are on me!"
Hunt for other members of 'Abu Bahini' and their arms and ammunition is going on, the police superintendent said.
"Soon as we can find a subsitute for "crossfire". We're looking into "heart failure" and "suicide"."
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 9:39:46 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A good Bangladeshi lynching is better than 2 "crossfires."
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 11:00 Comments || Top||

#2  They took Shafiqullah to a magistrate's court yesterday, seeking a 15-day remand.

I figure he's got 14 days to live. Then the Crossfire Express rides again!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL Tu! The CrossFire Express! That's the bus John (insane) McCain and John (hari) Kerry will use in 2008.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/19/2005 15:42 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Aussie girls can stand to pee
WOMEN, rejoice! One of the last bastions of gender inequality is about to be banished and with it the long, long line for the ladies' loos.

And while it might not be every gal's cup of tea, the organisers of this year's Big Day Out concert in Melbourne reckon the girls-only urinal will get a standing ovation.

The Shee Pee, as its affectionately known in Europe, will make its Australian debut at this year's Melbourne event in a bid to cut loo queues and offer women a more hygienic option to conventional toilets.

And while organisers agree it might take some a little practice, they believe women will quickly adapt to the idea of peeing while standing.

"After the huge success of the female-only urinals at the Glastonbury music festival in Britain last year, we thought it was definitely a service that women at the Big Day Out in Melbourne would really appreciate," Big Day Out promoter Vivian Lees said.
Posted by: tipper || 01/19/2005 9:31:40 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No sitzpinklers here.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 22:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I can't imagine how they could stand not to.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 22:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like it would be hard on the shoes... doesn't urine stain?
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/20/2005 0:03 Comments || Top||


Britain
UK Wants Bush Iraqi Drawndown Timetable
Britain is urging America to announce a timetable for withdrawing coalition troops from Iraq over the next 18 months or more. With a new Iraqi government due to take power after next week's elections, The Telegraph has learned that British officials believe the time is ripe for the coalition to announce an "indicative timetable" for its departure. There would no firm deadline and the withdrawal would depend on the gradual ability of Iraq's armed forces to take over responsibility for security — probably not before the middle of next year. Such an announcement would be the first time the coalition had set a clear target for leaving.

British officials say that a timetable, however tentative, would signal an exit strategy, bolster the transitional government and undermine the insurgents' claim that America intended to occupy Iraq indefinitely. The Government is hopeful that President George W Bush will agree to make a formal announcement within two or three months. "Giving a timetable would be an important political signal that we intend to leave Iraq," a well-placed Whitehall source said. "The main Iraqi parties are already talking about when coalition forces should be drawn down. America knows it will have to deal with the issue soon." Washington has resisted committing itself to a pull-out date for its 150,000 troops, fearing that it would be seen as a sign of weakness and encourage the gunmen.
Cool feet or US impediment to Iran "soft power" play?
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 9:31:20 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Sperm race TV show launched in Germany
Wait'll Fox hears about this.
A new reality TV show has been launched in Germany to find the man with the fastest sperm. The sperm will be attracted to the finishing line by a chemical lure identical to that emitted by the female egg in the womb.
Good luck, TGA! We're all rooting for you!
The aim is to find Germany's most virile man in a new reality show being dubbed Sperm Race.
We can come (sorry) up with better titles then that lame thing.
Twelve men, including two celebrities and a 'health freak', will take part in the show set to be aired later this year. The show will follow the contestants as they make donations at a sperm bank. The frozen sperm will then be transported to the studio in Cologne. Borris Brandt, 43, head of production company Endemol in Germany, rejected protests that the show was unethical, saying no human eggs would be fertilised. "The main prize in the competition is a Porsche, not a baby. It's actually a very scientific programme and the topic of fertility is massive in Germany at the moment," he said. ananova
Two celebrities? But look! You can win a Porsche!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 8:50:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You can bet there will be plenty of folks ready to prostate about all this.

We can come (sorry) up with better titles then that lame thing.

Hmm. Spunkathon. Sack Race. The All New In Vitro Tubes Test. The Ball Cannon Run Hope and Spray...
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 9:19 Comments || Top||

#2  Smokey and the Bukake Bandit
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 01/19/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#3 
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 10:08 Comments || Top||

#4  "Jism Joy Jog"?
Posted by: Dave D. || 01/19/2005 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  Bulldog......"sack race".......brilliant. LOL.
Posted by: Jarhead || 01/19/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#6  We need another Jesse Owens to step up to the plate...Ummm jar!!
Posted by: smn || 01/19/2005 15:44 Comments || Top||

#7  .com, dammit, where do you come up with these pictures??? Yeah, I know this one's from Something Awful, but the rest of them?
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 17:41 Comments || Top||

#8  DB - Check out Baker Media - I like the Hilarious... category. I donate some images there, but download tons. Funniest thing, though, is I'd be a better contributor if they'd let me - they reject about 90% of my submitted offerings as being too, uh, "racy", heh. Can you imagine that shit? Lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:49 Comments || Top||

#9  Birds, that's so many fewer kittens to eat you when they mature.
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 19:05 Comments || Top||

#10  No candygram?
Posted by: anonymous2u || 01/19/2005 19:52 Comments || Top||

#11  I haven't heard of this proposed show. I asked the wife and she hasn't either. Then again Endemol is the same company that came up with "Big Brother" so anything is possible
Posted by: 98zulu || 01/19/2005 23:55 Comments || Top||


D.A. Confronts 'Jury Pool From Hell'
Sounds worse then O.J.'s.
MEMPHIS, Tenn. - Defense attorney Leslie Ballin called it the "jury pool from hell." The group of prospective jurors was summoned to listen to a case of Tennessee trailer park violence. Right after jury selection began last week, one man got up and left, announcing, "I'm on morphine and I'm higher than a kite."
You can't beat Tennessee trailer park violence trials. But this would've been a jury of their peers.
When the prosecutor asked if anyone had been convicted of a crime, a prospective juror said that he had been arrested and taken to a mental hospital after he almost shot his nephew. He said he was provoked because his nephew just would not come out from under the bed.
C'mon. He didn't shoot him, he almost shot him. He should've been seated.
Another would-be juror said he had had alcohol problems and was arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer. "I should have known something was up," he said. "She had all her teeth."
That's a telltale sign, Billy Bob.
Another prospect volunteered he probably should not be on the jury: "In my neighborhood, everyone knows that if you get Mr. Ballin (as your lawyer), you're probably guilty." He was not chosen.
Mr. Ballin must get paid in abandoned refrigerators or pit bull puppies or something.
The case involved a woman accused of hitting her brother's girlfriend in the face with a brick. Ballin's client was found not guilty.
A big win for Leslie Ballin, Esq.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 8:44:00 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  tu3031 - this reminds me of this one "helpful hints to picking up hookers" thing I read years back....

1) If she looks like she's had a bath in the past 24 hours and all her teeth....she's an undercover cop
2) If she has really beautiful long hair.....she's a pre-op transsexual with a wig
3) If she looks filthy, missing some teeth and is incoherent....that's a real one, go for it!
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 13:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Ah, a story from home! The KKK leader who accidently shot a new recruit in the 'punkin was not far from here either. I just sit back at the Deacon Blues Pork Palace and Potables Parlour and munch the popcorn. We opened a brand new keg of 'Blues Stout yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed the local news.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 13:21 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 13:21 Comments || Top||

#4  I pass, next!
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 13:45 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Economy
Psst, the Deficit's Shrinking
The U.S. Budget Deficit Is Shrinking Rapidly

This week's [Jan. 13, 2005] Treasury report on the nation's finances for December shows a year-to-date fiscal 2005 deficit that is already $11 billion less than last year's. In the first three months of the fiscal year that began last October, cash outlays by the federal government increased by 6.1 percent while tax collections grew by 10.5 percent. When more money comes in than goes out, the deficit shrinks.

At this pace, the 2005 deficit is on track to drop to $355 billion from $413 billion in fiscal year 2004. As a fraction of projected gross domestic product, the new-year deficit will descend to 2.9 percent compared with last year's deficit share of 3.6 percent.

Wire reports are loaded these days with accounts of an expanded trade gap (driven mostly by slower exports to stagnant European and Japanese economies, along with higher oil imports from the peak in energy prices). But there's not a single report I can find that mentions the sizable narrowing in U.S. fiscal accounts. Behind this really big budget story is the even-bigger story: The explosion in tax revenues has been prompted by the tax-cut-led economic growth of the past eighteen months.

With 50 percent cash-bonus expensing for the purchase of plant and equipment, productivity-driven corporate profits ranging around 20 percent have generated a 45 percent rise in business taxes. At lower income-tax rates, employment gains of roughly 2.5 million are throwing off more than 6 percent in payroll-tax receipts. Personal tax revenues are rising at a near 9 percent pace.

Meanwhile, in the wake of strong stock market advances over the last two years, non-withheld revenues from individuals — including investor dividends and capital gains that are now taxed at only 15 percent — have jumped by over 14 percent.snip

According to the Washington Post, the Bush budget totals planned for fiscal year 2006 may be essentially unchanged from the totals for fiscal year 2005 (excluding defense and homeland security). ...the administration's first really tough budget request (due out next month) "would freeze most spending on agriculture, veterans and science, slash or eliminate dozens of federal programs, and force more costs, from Medicaid to housing, onto state and local governments."

The rapid growth of federal health care and other entitlements would also be slowed markedly. snip. This includes, by the way, Bush's plan to reduce Social Security benefits by replacing wage indexing with a price-level formula and extending the retirement age — one or the other, or both — in return for personal saving accounts.

By the way, Treasury Secretary John Snow just completed a Wall Street tour where leading bond traders told him not to sweat the transitional costs for personal accounts. The traders said that an additional $100 billion a year over the next decade for transitional financing will be easily manageable. "A rounding error," one senior trader told Snow. snip

Larry Kudlow, NRO's Economics Editor, is host with Jim Cramer of CNBC's Kudlow & Cramer and author of the daily web blog, Kudlow's Money Politic$.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 7:45:48 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In other news today, authorities announced the bizarre discovery that several hundred Americans have mysteriously died from what can only be described as terminal constipation. The victims were geographically scattered, but the pattern seemed centered upon large East Coast cities.

Another shocking aspect is that all of the victims appear to be economists or former economists currently on book and lecture tours or writing for newspapers. Common Sense News has learned that, at least in several cases, the victims had left crude messages scrawled in excrement - apparently with their fingers.

There are conflicting accounts, as no journalists have been allowed to examine the evidence, but the message was remarkably similar in all known such cases. It appears that the victim wrote "[unintelligible] is an flaming asshole.", a wryly macabre phrase, under the circumstances. Law Enforcement who have witnessed the scenes are in dispute, but Common Sense News has learned that the first word is generally agreed to be either "Keynes" or "Krugman".

Developing.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 9:16 Comments || Top||

#2  ...but Common Sense News has learned that the first word is generally agreed to be either "Keynes" or "Krugman".

Besides one being dead, how can you tell the difference?
Posted by: Raj || 01/19/2005 10:28 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Civil War If Sunnis Boycott Polls: Iraqi Minister
Iraqi Interior Minister Falah Naqib yesterday warned the country risked sliding into civil war if the Sunnis boycotted the Jan. 30 general elections. "Failing to take part in the elections is tantamount to treason and will lead to a civil war and the division of the country," the minister told reporters. "All Iraqis should take part in the elections as best they can. It is not crucial who they vote for, the important thing is that everyone participates," he said.

Naqib himself is a member of the Sunni Arab minority, which has threatened to boycott the polls. Some argue that elections are impossible amid relentless nationwide violence, others intend to boycott the vote in protest at the presence of foreign troops, while extremists oppose the very idea of a democratic system for Iraq and seek to create chaos. Several leading Sunni Arab parties have repeatedly called for the elections to be delayed until some degree of stability is restored in the country, but the Iraqi government, the United States and the electoral commission have ruled out a postponement. Voter turnout is expected to be very low in the country's Sunni heartland, amid widespread fear among the population that going to a polling station would turn them into targets for the insurgency.

"If Iraqi Arabs, who today make up the best part of the country's backbone, are divided, the country itself will be torn and will turn into little fiefdoms and regress by 5,000 years," Naqib warned. He admitted that insurgent attacks would probably peak on election day and feared a surge of attacks in the capital. "I am expecting an escalation of terrorist acts in the coming days, notably in Baghdad," Naqib told reporters.
Posted by: Fred || 01/19/2005 7:31:40 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Gotta love it. Arab Think:

"boycott the vote in protest at the presence of foreign troops"

Whose presence made the opportunity to vote possible.

Wonder why there are no natural Arab democracies? Lol, wonder no more - think Arab and all will become clear. And here's another version of Arab Think:
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 0:51 Comments || Top||

#2  "the country itself will be torn and will turn into little fiefdoms and regress by 5,000 years,”

Mr. Naqib, that is the way things are right now. Democracy will take hold in your country as once that candle is lit it is very hard to put it out. No matter who shows up to vote this time, No matter who wins, at the very least, watching Democracy being placed upon Autocarcy ought to be highly entertaining to watch.
Posted by: TomAnon || 01/19/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Looking at the cartoon,I wonder what the reaction of the Arab world will be if pictures are flashed across the world of Iraqi voters at polling stations,including Sunnis,blown to bits by the "heros of the resistance."I'm quite sure that the anti-Iraqi forces are vicious enough to do it but what will their Arab brethren say about killing people who just want to vote?
Posted by: jkh || 01/19/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#4  If the Sunnis boycott the election and start a civil war, they will lose big time. They have Kurds to the North, Shia to the south, and outnumbered 3-1. Does the name 'Custer' ring a bell with these people. The Shia and Kurds will wipe them out and not think twice about it. The end result is that the Sunnis will end being a hated minority with no political power.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#5  Seems a few states, like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas, Georgia, etc, missed the 1864 election too. We're still here.
Posted by: Don || 01/19/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||

#6  Seems to me they've already got a civil war.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 01/19/2005 10:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Memo to Sunnis: "you decide, and reap the consequences, assholes"
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#8  How childish, we are gonna hold our breathes if we don't get our way....waaa.

This is all sound and bluster.
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 13:40 Comments || Top||

#9  As with most Arab issues, reality will play a very small role, if any at all. Without someone to stop them (a ruthless dictatorial power), the Sunnis and the Shi'a will, with some regularity (enough to be termed a civil war? who knows / cares) find ways and Arab-think reasons to whack each other. "Tastes Great!" "Less Filling!" Bam! Pow!

Some will, due to the timeline proximity, conclude / attribute all of these normal and customary festivites to the elections - and trumpet them in the MSM as proof of election illegitimacy or whatever.

But the Muslims know. They just need to do some killing now and then. It's the cost of doing business - and just what blood libel society thingys do. The preferred bogeyman, of course, is the Jooo, but if they don't have any Jooos (or Jooo proxies) handy, well... they have this old beef that always demands polishing and, as we all know, practice makes perfect.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 14:04 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Survey puts PA population figures in question
The PA inflated its population figures by one and a half million residents, and the number really stands at 2.4 million people, according to a study presented to the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Knesset Wednesday morning. According to the document cited by Army Radio, there was a dramatic fall in the average number of children to Palestinian mothers and its relation to the numbers of the Jewish population between the Jordan and the Mediterranean for the past 40 years.
You mean the Palestinian Authority lied?
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 7:11:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Demographics studies show the Palestinian Population surging in this area. Who's right?
The Almanac has over 4 million in the territories.
I'd like it to be 2.5 million. Much less the Israeli's will have to deal with.
Posted by: Rightwing || 01/19/2005 9:01 Comments || Top||

#2  They have an exploding population, I don't care what the numbers say.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Love it, BH! Rightwing, the PA has a problem with numbers. This was posted on yesterday.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 13:15 Comments || Top||


A Muslim Call to the Israelis
These days the Middle East is once again the scene of bloodshed. Israeli troops are employing the most ruthless and cruel methods against Palestinians. The Israeli Army is ruthlessly bombing Palestinian settlements, shooting at children and trying to make Palestine uninhabitable.Some Palestinian radicals, on the other hand, are attacking Israeli civilian targets and spreading violence with their terrible suicide attacks aimed at women and children.
Our heartfelt wish as Muslims is for the anger and hatred on both sides to die down, for the bloodshed to stop and for peace to come to the Middle East. We oppose both the Israeli killing of the innocent and the bombing of innocent Israelis by some radical Palestinians.
You need to stop wringing your hands and start wringing some necks -- the necks of your Muslim brothers who continue to blow up women and children in pizza parlors. Right now much of the intelligent civilized world understands that you don't really mean it, since you write fine words in English and spit vitriol in Arabic. Start telling your brethen Paleo pals in Arabic that if they don't stop killing innocent Israelis, you're going to kill them. And then kill a few. And then we can judge how serious you are.
In our view, the most important condition for this blind conflict to come to an end and for real peace to be established in the Middle East is for both sides to genuinely and honestly understand and implement their own beliefs. The conflict between Israel and Palestine has taken on the identity of a 'religious war' between Jews and Muslims, whereas in fact there is absolutely no reason for such a war of religion. Both Jews and Muslims believe in God, love and respect the same prophets, and possess the same moral principles. They are not enemies. On the contrary, they are allies in a world in which atheism and hatred of religion are widespread.
But the Jews have to believe in God your way, or you're going to kill them. Or they have to submit to being dhimmis, pay the tax and not object too much when a Muslim commits some atrocity against them. That was the history of Jews for a thousand years in Iraq, Egypt and Syria. So far you're espousing the fine principle of "what's mine is mine, and we'll talk about what's yours." Don't be surprised if the Israelis turn you down.
Based on that fundamental principle, we call on the Israelis (and all Jews):
1) Muslims and Jews believe in one God, the creator of the universe and all living things. We are all God's servants, and to Him we shall return. So why hate each other? The holy books we believe in are different, but we all abide by those books because we believe they are the revelations of God. So why should we fight one another?
Why do Sunnis fight Shi'a? Why do both hate Alawites? Why do Muslims of one sect commit murder against Muslims of another sect? You guys all believe in the same holy book and you can't even get along. When you can figure out why you're fighting each other and then put a stop to it, you'll be close to where Christians are today (Northern Ireland excepted). And then perhaps you can call for a truce with the Jews.
2) Instead of Muslims, would the Israelis rather live among atheists or pagans? The Bible is full of passages describing the terrible cruelties inflicted on the Jews by pagans. The terrible genocide and cruelty inflicted on the Jews by atheists and unbelievers (such as the Nazis, anti-Semitic racists or communist regimes such as Stalin's Russia) are clear for all to see. The atheist forces in question hated the Jews because they believed in God, and that is why they oppressed them. Are not Jews and Muslims on the same side against these atheist, communist or racist forces that hate them both?
The atheists, communists and racist forces are exploding young people in pizza parlors. That's been the province of fine Muslim terrorist groups so far -- Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, the Al-Aqsa Martyr brigades. I could go on. These are the people trying to murder Jews. The Atheist Alliance, so far as I know, hasn't been creeping into kibutzes to murder sleeping Jewish children. You seem like an intelligent soul, Peter, so you tell us -- who should the Jews take a stand against first: a peaceful atheist or a Muslim wearing a bomb belt?
3) Muslims and Jews love and respect the same prophets. The prophets Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses or David are at least as important for Muslims as they are for Jews. The lands where these holy figures lived and served God are at least as holy for Muslims as they are for Jews. So why drown those lands in blood and tears?
Because one side is willing to live in peace, and the other side demands the whole enchilada. It's the Paleos and their brethen Arabs who demand that Palestine stretch from the Jordan to the Med. Look at the average map of the Middle East, rendered by a Muslim cartographer: do you see any space for "Israel"?
4) The fundamental values of Israel are also sacred to us Muslims. The word 'Israel' is the name of the Prophet Jacob, who is praised in the Koran and remembered with great respect by Muslims. The Magen David (Star of David) is the holy symbol of the prophet David for us too. According to the Koran, synagogues are places of worship that Muslims must protect. (Koran, 22:40). So why should members of the two religions not live together in peace?
Instead of trying to convert us on Rantburg, you should fly to Mecca and preach to the crowds on their Haj. There's quite a crowd right now, you might still catch them. Tell them how holy Jacob and David are, and how they should learn to live in peace with the Jews. If you live, let us know how it went.

5) The Torah commands Jews to establish peace and security, not to occupy other lands and spill blood. The people of Israel are described as 'a light unto the nations.' As Rabbi Dovi Weiss has said:
"The Jewish people are commanded by Almighty God to live in peace with all peoples and nations on the face of the globe. Our agenda is simple It is to humbly worship the Creator at all times. As Torah Jews we are called upon to feel and express our sense of compassion when any person or group of human beings suffers."1
And where is the mullah, the iman, the wise, holy Islamic scholar who is preaching similar words to his flock? Every Friday in the mosques in Egypt, in Jordan, in Saudi Arabia, the holy men preach words of hate and destruction to the assembled believers. Show me the Arab equivalent of Dovi Weiss.
If the Israelis continue to treat the Palestinians as they are now, they may be unable to account for that to God. Those Palestinians who kill innocent Israelis, on the other hand, may be unable to account for those murders. Is it not a duty in the eyes of God to put an end to the fighting, which is dragging both sides deeper into satanic violence?
The Israelis have offered peace several times: you might argue about some of the terms, but there they were. Yasser Arafat rejected those terms each time and kick-started the cycle of violence. Explain to us how peaceful Muslims can abide this.
We invite all Jews to consider these facts. God commands us Muslims to invite Jews and Christians to a 'common formula':

Say, "O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding on both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." (Koran, 3:64)

This is our call to the Jews, a People of the Book: As people who believe in God and obey His commands, let us come together in the common formula of 'faith.' Let us love God, the Lord and Creator of all of us. Let us abide by His commands. Let us pray to God to lead us further on the path of righteousness. Let us bring love, compassion and peace to each other and the world, not hostility, blood and tears.
Read what you just wrote: you pretty much demand that the Jews become Muslims. That isn't going to happen. When it doesn't, you'll justify the renewed violence. It's in the Quran somewhere, I'm sure you can look it up.
That is where the solution to the Palestinian question and other conflicts in the world lies. Come, let us find a solution together. The deaths and suffering of so many innocent people remind us every day what an urgent task this is.

HOW CAN THE PALESTINIAN QUESTION BE RESOLVED?

Based on the principles of toleration and moderation we have outlined above, it is possible to solve the Palestinian question, which has caused so much bloodshed in the Middle East over the last 50 years. In our view, the establishment of peace depends on these two conditions:

1) Israel must immediately withdraw from all the territories it occupied during the 1967 war including East Jerusalem. The occupation that has existed since must come to an end. That is an obligation under international law, U.N. Security Council resolutions and the concept of justice. All of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip must be recognized as belonging to an independent State of Palestine.
There's no reason for Israel to withdraw to the 1967 line, or to the 1948 line, or to the original UN mandate line of 1947. Your brethen Arabs started four wars and lost all four. When you lose, you don't get to tell everyone how the peace agreement will be shaped. Your first step is to acknowledge that you lost the wars, and try to figure out what the Israelis will let you have.
2) East Jerusalem, which is home to the important temples of all three theistic religions must be administered by the Palestinian administration, yet this city should have an exclusive status. Jerusalem must be made a free city in which members of all three religions can carry out their obligations in peace.
When the Arabs ran Jerusalem Jews were prohibited from visiting their holy sites. Now that the Israelis run Jerusalem, both Jews and Muslims have complete access to their holy sites. If the PA gets control of East Jerusalem again, how long before Jews are banned from the wailing wall? There's a history there that you won't even acknowledge.
When these conditions are brought about, Israelis and Palestinians will have recognized each others' right to exist, shared the Palestinian lands, and resolved the status of Jerusalem, the subject of a great argument, in a manner satisfactory to the members of all three religions.

Our hope is that the constant hostility of the last 50 years or so, the prejudice, killing and slaughter will come to an end, that the innocent Palestinian people can secure a homeland that can provide them with the peace, security and well-being they deserve, and that Israel will abandon its policy of aggression and occupation, that wrongs its own people as well as the Palestinians, thus allowing it to live in peace with its neighbours within its legal pre-1967 borders.
Again, there's nothing especially binding about the 1967 borders. You lost. They won. Figure out what you can negotiate for and be happy with that.

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1-"The Torah Demands Justice for the Palestinians" Presented by Rabbi Dovid Weiss of NKIAt Time Square in Manhattan on Friday afternoon, June 1, 2001. http://www.netureikarta.org/speeches.htm
Posted by: Peter || 01/19/2005 6:25:49 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I suugest the resolution of the Palestinian problem be delayed until Arabs apologize and indemnify the local populations of the following areas:
a) Soudan
b) Kurdistan
c) Mahgreb
d) Iran
e) Afghanistan (sending them Al Quaida)

And when non-Arab Muslims will have indeminified local populations from the following areas:
a) India
b) Armenia
c) Balkans
d) Philippines
e) Thailand
f) Black Africa

the list is incomplete of course. Then and only then will the Palestinians be considered
Posted by: JFM || 01/19/2005 8:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Peter is such a common Muslim name, to be sure.

But I would challenge Muslim Peter, who posts an article claiming that Muslims revere the Jewish prophets, to give a little history and a few quotes from each of the Jewish prophets he mentioned, citing Old Testament chapter and verse. I also challenge Muslim Peter to explain how the ongoing terrorism propagated and supported by all segments of Palestinian society against the citizens of Israel, Jewish, Christian, Muslim and other, is supported or opposed by the Koran and Hadith, not to mention the fascinating fatwas issuing from across the Ummah.

On the other hand, this post is total crap, completely unsupported by the words and actions of the Palestinians, both lay people and religious leaders. Muslim Peter should read what real Muslims are saying to one another. www.MEMRI.org has translations of articles, television shows, Friday sermons, cartoons, and so forth, into whatever language Muslim Peter reads most comfortably.

How can the Palestinian question be resolved? First by discontinuing all attacks on Israelis. Then by accepting that Israel will not ever disappear as an independent Jewish nation. There will be no Palestinian right of return except to the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Israel will never return to the pre-1967 borders. Oh, and Palestinian birthrates have been steadily dropping, so the Israelis will not be crowded off the land by an explosion of Palestinian bodies. Sorry.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 8:13 Comments || Top||

#3  I need to see a link for this one
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 8:32 Comments || Top||

#4  They're to strong be exterminated by brute force. Therefore, let us immitate our revered Prophet and offer them peace --- just as he offered peace to the Quaraish.
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 8:39 Comments || Top||

#5  And just as he offered peace with the last Jews of Medina. Line the men up in a ditch, behead them in front of their women and children, then rape the women and children that same day. Yup the religion of peace of tolerance at work.

Just compare how muslims are treated in Israel with how jews are treaded in any Islamic country.

Islam calls for all the world to submit (or die) to the black rock of Mecca.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/19/2005 9:03 Comments || Top||

#6  1. - great post TW

2. Ya know, call me pollyanna optimist, but I think there is a seed in this pile of poo that just might flower if planted (i know...gag). Mind you, I didn't realize until the very end that this was written by a rabbi, who sounds like he was on Arafat's payroll no less, but a good idea from an idiot is better than a bad idea from a genius.

here we are, my friends.....drumroll please!
[sound of drumroll]

Are not Jews and Muslims on the same side against these atheist, communist or racist forces that hate them both? Instead of Muslims, would the Israelis rather live among atheists or pagans - On the contrary, they are allies in a world in which atheism and hatred of religion are widespread

You could really get some mileage with this idea. I have come to the conclusion that the flaw with the Muslim religion that keeps it stuck in the 7th Century, is that unlike Christianity, which is based on forgiveness; Islam is based on blame. An entire culture that values words that deflect blame v/s actions that produce results. Kind of like our own LLL.

Which brings me back to my point. Aligning Jews and Muslims (and Christians) to fight the pagans and communists. It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant and it just might work. oohh..Putin and Hillary Clinton just felt cold chills go down their spines.

And if you don't think that train can't change tracks, think again. Think Bill Clinton and N.O.W. Feminists shucked all they had ever stood for IN A HEARTBEAT when told their new oppressor wasn't MEN...but Republicans. They sucked it up through a straw. My point being, it can be done.

Anyhoo... I'm probably wrong, since the second half of the article then goes on to do the standard Muslim - "if you put your hands up and give me all of your money, then we will be friends".
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: MacNails || 01/19/2005 9:38 Comments || Top||

#8  What a load of steaming horseshit!

Trying to "remind" the Jews that they share the same moral values and the same prophets with the muslims is kind of like trying to convince a grown man named Jack that he's really a little girl named Sue. In other words, reality is reality no matter how hard one tries to change it. The similarities between Judaism and islam are superficial ones at best. islam is not related and can't hold a candle to the legacy of Judaism. At best Islam can and has only imitated Judaism where it has suited its cause. It has tried to replace Judaism and failed. It can only follow where Judaism has led. It can only mock Judaism by claiming to supercede it.

There is no common ground between Jews and muslims morally for the whopping difference that Jews are supposed to be moral in all situations no matter how challenging or threatening and muslims only have to be good and moral and tolerant until they are suffuciently threatened and then they can do whatever it takes to win. For instance muslims may lie like dogs to non muslims if that will give islam an advantage. This is but one example.

Then there are the prophets. The muslims freely re-invented the prophets a thousand years after the fact, proclaimed that their new versions were the original versions, put words and concepts into their mouths that parroted whatever mohammed was trying to get away with at the time, and then attached to these islamic automatons the Arabic versions of the names of the Hebrew prophets. The facts are that the original prophets were so far ahead of islam and so deep and high. Any respectful reading of them in the Old Testament as opposed to the selective reading that the muslims give to their writings will reveal that mohammed completely missed vast resevoirs of thought and nuance. In fact, he missed the boat entirely and completely misunderstood both the Hebrew prophets and their roles.

What is more, the Hebrew prophets weren't mere mouthpieces of God, repeating the same message in the same way over and over again like parrots. In each of their writings, their rich individual personalities and literary styles are hard to miss. They are very different from one another. In islam, these real men writing real books become co-opted to endorse mohammed as one of them and they are reduced to lesser versions of him all speaking with the same voice ie mohammeds voice.

BTW, 2B, you are right on about the muslim way of peace. Give us everything we want and give up everything that you want and then we can have peace.

Horseshit!
Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 10:04 Comments || Top||

#9  Peggy nails it. 2b, I don't have much hope for this situation. My book says that the Jews and Muslims will continuously be at war with each other. Most Christians believe this goes back to Isaac and Ishmael. Issac being the predecessor of the Jews and Ishmael being the predecessor of the Muslims. They are step brothers (Isaac being born of Abraham and Sarah (his wife) and Ishmael being born of Abraham and Hagar (Sarah's maidservant)). See Genesis 16-17. Specifically note that Genesis 16:12 says that Ishmael "shall be a wild man; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his bretheren." Basically, Christians believe that this goes back to the age of time and will continue to be a war until Christ's return.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#10  1. R. Weinglass is from Neturei Karta, a tiny minority within the Szatmar hasidic sect, itself a tiny minority among Jews. While Judaism certainly does teach compassion and peace, this is NOT incompatible with statehood, and self-defense, unless you are as fatalistic and hostile to human action as the Szatmar Hasidism are. Most Jews have become modern, which means acknowledging that WE are responsible for our own safety, and G-d WANTS us to defend ourselves - persecution of Jews is an evil, NOT a divine punishment.

2. We are commanded to love all our fellow Jews, even when they become atheists. And of course not all atheists are Stalinists - secular Zionists, some atheists, played a vital role in building Israel. Of course we want to share our state with them.

3. Yes, Judaism and Islam have much in common, not just prophets, but approaches to the development of religious law, austere monotheism with hatred of idolatry, etc. Fine. And Israel is QUITE prepared to live in peace with Muslims who live Islam AS a religion of peace. Israel has been at peace with Turkey virtually since Israel was founded. Israel is at peace with Jordan and Egypt. Israel looks forward to peace with more muslim and arab states. However the key impediment now is that many muslims follow not a version of Islam based on peace and compassion, what we have in common, but versions based on hatred. As followed by Al Qaeeda, Hamas, the hardliners in Teheran, etc. The Muslim world must vomit out these elements.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 10:18 Comments || Top||

#11  How rich is it for a muslim to presume to lecture and teach a religion that is the elder of islam by more than a thousand years. Thats the spirit in which this article has been written and diseminated. In the muslim scheme of things newer is better and more advanced, the wisdom of the ages is rejected. Its kind of like a grandchild attempting to lecture his grandparent instead of sitting reverantly at their feet to learn from them. No wonder islam has always been so screwed up. How can anyone be right in the head that thinks that their elders don't know what they are talking about? "Here, grandma, let me tell you how your story really is supposed to go. Let me tell you where you went wrong. Let me correct your mistakes." If ever muslims tossed this insane idea out the window, then they would finally be able to see that their pissant religion bears no relation other than superficially, to Christianity and Judaism.

As a Christian, I can attest that Christians haven't always honored our elder in Judaism the way that we should have. But we have never once accused the Jews of altering Scripture. We have never rejected their Scriptures as unreliable. And that has always been our saving grace, balancing and enriching our faith that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah with the wisdom of the ages preserved and tended by the Jews through the centuries before us. We have always been better off at those times when we have drawn closer to Judaism and have been properly respectful of our combined heritage. It makes sense and any other way that rejects the Scripture of the Jews except to find justification for certain beliefs is grossly in error. We Christians have always been able to sit at the feet of the prophets and hear their own words in their own voices. We have always been able to mine their writing for every last drop of goodness and light. There is just no other approach that is more sane than that. There is no other appoach as insane as muslims trying to lecture Jews as if they knew better.

Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 10:18 Comments || Top||

#12  But we have never once accused the Jews of altering Scripture.

Quibble. There are certain key differences between the traditional Hebrew texts of the bible, the Masoretic texts (earliest MSS are from around 900 CE) and the earliest Greek (IE Christian texts) from around 300 CE. Some of these are of theological import (was it a "virgin" who will conceive or an Almah, a young woman?) The differences could result from A. a mistranslation in the Septuagint (A greek translation made by Jews around 150 BCE) B. An alteration in the Jewish tradition C. An alteration in the Christian tradition.

Both religious communities HAVE accused the other of making said alterations.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 10:24 Comments || Top||

#13  "Here, grandma, let me tell you how your story really is supposed to go. Let me tell you where you went wrong. Let me correct your mistakes."

You went wrong in rejecting "the lords annointed" for which you were punished by exile, and persecution. The way to correct your mistakes is by accepting the embrace of the church and undergoing baptism. At least SOME christians have held this ideology. Its not in the NT of course, but evolved later.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 10:28 Comments || Top||

#14  the evil maidservant...witch. Look at all the trouble she caused.

Intersting posts peggy and BA.

Basically, Christians believe that this goes back to the age of time and will continue to be a war until Christ's return.

"Christians" is pretty broad. If it's written in Revelations, then we might as well throw up our hands. But I kinda suspect it's not that straightforward. So it seem to me, that with modern communications and the internet,we have a historic opportunity to see if we can change some hearts and minds here.

I don't hold out any hope that we can enlighten the Muslims as to the destructive nature of their culture of blame.

But I do see a real opportunity here to shift the devil from the Jews to the "Pagans and communists". You have to remember that outside of Palestine, with it's steaming refuse of rejected flesh - there are billions upon billions of Muslims who are just people like you and me who have been let down by those appointed to teach them how to live a good life. I really don't think they want to be stuck in the 7th century lives of Sharia. Half of them are women - do you really think they alone want to live with fewer rights than my dog?

These people, who have connected with the modern world are the ones who can shape ideas to move the Palestinians forward. You can't reach them by appealing to higher ideals of charity or forgiveness - they were breastfed on the culture of blame. Why not use that blame to your own advantage? I think this idea of shifting the blame against the Jews to the pagans and communists is absolutely brilliant. Why, because it's true. They are more aligned with the Jews and Christians than they are with the communists and pagans. This realization just might be grasped by Muslims who want to respect their religion but who also want to live in the modern world.

While I do acknowledge that it's unlikely we will fix in our lifetime what has been a blood feud forever - but it does not good to point out that the Paleo's are a hopeless lost cause and feeds into the same mindset that keeps them down - blame. What do we have to lose by trying?
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 10:41 Comments || Top||

#15  Liberal Hawk,

But note that these are quibbles. I have freely admitted to Christians not always treating our elders as we should. I am saying that there has been a saving grace in our common Scriptures. Not to over diminish very real and great theological differences between us, quibbling over words when there are vast tracts of theology and thought which we share through the record of Scripture is the overall trend regardless of the spin, if you can call it that, that we each give it. It is a mistake to discount the value of sharing the same materials and regarding the same books as holy and inspired. Those books are our combined heritage and its remarkable that they are shared at all however contentiously that has been at times. There is no other example of that where two religions hold the same Scripture as being authoritative and reliable rather than as in islams case paying lip service to them and using them simply to justify new beliefs. Its a whole different story between Christianity and Judaism no matter how much we might argue and at times dislike each other. We are true siblings in that sense. Each faith is highly individual but each clearly originates from the same parent, the books of the Tankh. The evidence is clear and incontravertible. You can find this common parent in every church and synagouge trusted, honored and esteemed and studied carefully and reverantly.
Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 10:43 Comments || Top||

#16  Why, oh why, when Israel won after the six-day war and the world was stunned, the Arabs defeated and the Israeli's found themselves in control of the West Bank and Gaza, why oh why didn't they (a) shuffle the Arabs off into Jordan and Egypt and build walls to keep them out (b) get the US to support them in the UN. If this was all done on day 7 and 8 the world would have allowed it, even accepted that such a move was needed.

Instead the Israeli's naivly assumed that if they played nice the Arabs would somehow change their mind about genocide and that the Europeans wouldn't turn on them.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 01/19/2005 10:44 Comments || Top||

#17  once again LH fiddles as Rome burns. I find it interesting LH, that you chose to take issue with piddly Christians v/s Jews issues than you are interested at looking at the real devil - Muslim extremism.

You remind me of this Chinese girl I trained under once. The first thing she did was tell me a story about how one day she was walking down the street and some guys in a car drove by and yelled "chink" at her. Apparently it was a life changing experience for her, causing her to see herself as "chinese" rather than American and to disdain all whites. Never seemed to occur to her that it was just a car full of jerks. I thought it very sad that one experience would cause her to go so much friendship and goodwill in life.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 10:53 Comments || Top||

#18  I just looked at the link; this is the second post in two days linking back to Harun Yahya. Yesterday's missive was titled "Islam Is Not the Source of Terrorism, But Its Solution," and was exhaustively fisked by Fred. I checked out Harun Yahya, and it looks kinda like Allenist Scientology, with lots of tapes/books/videos for sale, a site for kids, and a long screed about Why Evolution is Wrong. It seems to be based in Turkey. I am somewhat disinclined to continue hosting and refuting their tripe, but as always, it is Fred's call.
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 11:03 Comments || Top||

#19  Liberal Hawk,

I should have added to my statement that Christians have never accused Jews of altering Scripture to the point that the majority have rejected them wholesale except to pick out verses here and there to justify ourselves as islam has done. I say the majority have not because you are sure to bring up some ancient sect of Christianity that did reject the OT. I speak of general trends, but it seems like you are always reading my posts as if I was talking about absolutes without exceptions as if I were unaware of history.

It is not a neglible point that I am making. It makes for a vast gulf between islam and its elders. Rejecting the Bible as wholly unreliable is an isane approach and islam is poorer and crazier for it. For Christianity and Judaism there is so much hope because we speak theological languages that have a common anscestor. We both can read Isaiah (sp?) for instance and we can agree on what he teaches us even if we can disagree about whether young woman means just a young woman married or unmarried or whether that young womans virginity was a given and therefore the primary meaning. (I am not the best for quoting chapter and verse, so I acknowledge that i could be mis-attributing the verse to Isaiah.)

Whatsmore, we can read Isaiah as his own man though inspired by God. We do not see him as a parrot and hear only those words of his that prove our point. Isaiah is as rich for us as he is for Jews. We do not see him as just talking about Jesus while we ignore what else he has to say particularly what he and the other prophets have to say about God and what he is like and how he relates to mankind. For instance, for the Hebrew prophets God was faithful to his promise, even if Jews were not. For muslims, God is not faithful to his promises and he will break his promises whenever it suits him. This to me is the cheif source of the chasm that separates us from them. Huge books could be written about the implications of this.

BTW, most translations these days of the OT passage you referred to have young woman while the NT quotes these as having "virgin" Virginity ahould have been as aspect of any young Jewish woman, I think. The Christian interpretation emphasizes that.

If you know anything about Hebrew, maybe you can tell me if a young woman "almah" could also be a married woman, or would a different word have been used if she was married. I really would like to know. I am not being sarcastic or anything.

Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 11:12 Comments || Top||

#20  once again LH fiddles as Rome burns. I find it interesting LH, that you chose to take issue with piddly Christians v/s Jews issues than you are interested at looking at the real devil - Muslim extremism

Au contraire. The point is that we have historical issues with Christians, and there has been antisemitism in Christianity, YET we live in peace and brotherhood with Christians (and i do acknowledge the good will of Peggy, and so many others) ERGO we CAN also have good relations with muslims. NOT with the Jihadi-Salafis, but with those muslims who reject that. And, by extension, Christians can ALSO have good relations with muslims.

"rome" is burning, we must unite to put the fire out - all of us, Jews, Christians, atheists, AND those muslims whose lives are threatened by the Jihadis, from Algeria to Baghdad to Karachi.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#21  BTW, most translations these days of the OT passage you referred to have young woman while the NT quotes these as having "virgin" Virginity ahould have been as aspect of any young Jewish woman, I think. The Christian interpretation emphasizes that.

If you know anything about Hebrew, maybe you can tell me if a young woman "almah" could also be a married woman, or would a different word have been used if she was married. I really would like to know. I am not being sarcastic or anything.


IIUC it means a young woman of marriageable age, whether married or not.

And no, I dont know enough of the language to defend that definition. Understanding meaning of biblical Hebrew relies on looking at usages in other biblical passages, which themselves are subject to interpretation. One may rely on post-biblical usage, but one can always argue that the language changed. Unfortunately there are no more than fragmentary non-biblical Hebrew texts of the same age as the bible. There are texts in other Semitic languages, but again, the meaning COULD have been different in Hebrew.


As for virginity being an aspect of any young jewish woman, young jews in those times were quite as human as young people today, and apparently pre-marital sex was not unheard of, though it was frowned upon, but it was hardly the kind of major sin that adultery was. Though its hard to analyze the consequences without the a greater understanding of the society. A woman who had premarital sex was supposed to warrant a lesser gift on marriage from her husband - which is a pretty minor punishment, till you realize that means her violation has to be made public for her to marry, which COULD have been a pretty serious consequence in those days.

But we're getting pretty far off topic.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 11:40 Comments || Top||

#22  LH,

Dude, you are really preaching to the choir here. Look around you. Do you think that Americans really have a problem with law abiding muslims? Muslims in America are free to worship and spead their faith. They are free to build mosques as they please subject only to the same zoning restrictions that Christians and Jews are also subject to. They are free to defame other faiths all they want. They may not live in conditions they think are ideal (that is a whole other subject) but by no stretch are they persecuted here to the same degree that other faiths are persecuted in muslim dominated areas or in other areas where muslims are the victims of persecution such as the Balkans. Where were the pogroms to eliminate muslims after 9/11?

Jews and Christians have no problem living with law abiding muslims. The evidence is everywhere. The problem is on the muslim side.

Do you honestly think that we can't discuss very real differences between different faiths without losing it? Do you think that we can't distinguish between a religion that we think is false, even stupid, and its law abiding practioners? I think sometimes you do not give those who oppose islam as a religion enough credit and maturity to acknowledge that distinction and to be aware of our own faults.

I have a feeling that you want to lump all three faiths together because you think that result in peace. But the truth is that there is a very real chasm and until muslims acknowledge that chasm, the moderates you are so fond of will remain paralyzed due to their allegiance to a faulty world view which excludes the wisdom of the ages and thinks that muslims, even moderate ones dont need to learn anything from their elders.

The biggest problem that we have is that muslims are lacking some really important information and ideas that they could learn and use for true peace if they could but humble themselves to see Christianity and Judaism as faiths with their own true voices with much of great value to teach. This is precisely where islam went wrong from the start with mohammed telling the rabbis and the monks that they didn't know what they were talking about instead of learning from them in all humility. It is stunted therefore having only its own versions of events which contradict texts centuries older. If muslims were to learn from the elder faiths then I truly believe that they would become empowered to break with their fanatical brothers in more than just words and a few futile ecumenical conferences or marches here and there. But the first step is to acknowledge that there are big differences which favor the elder faiths and that muslims don't know all about them already and that muslims aren't already the same as the elder faiths etc. The moderates aren't dealing with reality and until they do, there can be no peace for anyone.
Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 12:02 Comments || Top||

#23  Do you honestly think that we can't discuss very real differences between different faiths without losing it? Do you think that we can't distinguish between a religion that we think is false, even stupid, and its law abiding practioners?

From the POV of Judaism both Islam and Christianity are false, period. I dont think Islam is particularly stupid. See what happens is this - if I argue that there are moderate muslims, you reply that we're talking about the religion, not the practitioners. If I argue that Judaism really does have as much in common with Islam as with Christianity, which I think is quite arguable, someone comes along and tells me im fiddling while rome burns, cause of the undeniable fact that there are millions of muslims who want to kill me, while Christians have pretty much all gotten over that sort of thing.

Look, we're either talking about people, or about faiths. If we're talking about people, lets talk about people and stop talking about faiths. If we're talking about faiths as such, lets talk about faiths, and stop denying uncomfortable truths cause theyre politically inconvient.

Look - the phrase "judeo-christian" was invented by 19th century Reform Jews. It was convenient in trying to win a place in Christian dominated society. It also tended to limit Judaism its aspect as "ethical monotheism" which suited Reforms own agenda for Judaism, which involved ditching the Halachic tradition.

In fact anyone who seriously examines historical Judaism, or its modern variants, Orthodoxy and Conservative Judaism, can see that it has a LOT in common with many streams of historical Islam -its really hard to make the case that its closer to Christianity than to Islam.

However today, the phrase Judeo-christian is used by Christian fundamentalists, to appear less narrow minded and more pluralist - I can hardly blame them, seeing as how they are often maligned by secularists - they feel like a minorty struggling for legitimacy, much as Reform jews did in the 19th c. But to do so, theyve had to stretch the truth a bit.

Im NOT preaching to anyone, or fiddling for anyone. Im just pointing out a few truths is all.

It gets very complicated when im responding to different people with different agendas, but thats the nature of a board like this, I suppose.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 12:18 Comments || Top||

#24  LH,

I'll try to make this the last thing I say re your comments.

I know that its off topic, but I have a thought question for you. You don't have to answer.

Which do you think Isaiah was writing about, a young woman who had slept with someone before her marraige and got pregnant? or would he be talking about a young woman in the ideal sense, a virgin. If premarital sex and pregnancy outside of marraige was common if frowned upon, then why would it be remarakable enough to be given as a prophecy? A young woman shall concieve would not be anything worth commenting on it if all it meant was just another out of wedlock pregnacy would it? Nothing miraculous about it. But a young, umarried woman who was a virgin concieving would be something to prophesy about without a doubt. It would be a miracle in keeping with the other miracles attributed to God like the parting of the sea, demonstrating his command over the material universe. You can either see this as a prediction of the birth of Jesus or as a theological statement that says that God can do anything even what we think of as impossible, but given what you have told me, I still don't think the word could mean anything except for a young unmarried virgin for both Jews and Christians. What we do with it after that might then differ but anything else fails to make sense given the context.
Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#25  hmmm...well...ok....color me surprised. But just one last point, wouldn't it be better for all, if instead of focusing on antisemitimism, you focused on all of the positive between Christians and Jews? Like Peggy has done so well today?

It just seems to me that so much focus by some Jews (certainly not all) is put on remembering every act of anti-semitism while conveniently ignoring acts of kindness and charity that Christians have extended towards Jews. No, I'm not trying to make this a Christian superiority thing - I'm just refering to antisemitism here. Like Indians claiming La Jolla belongs to them or blacks demanding reparations, reliving the sins of past generations just seems so self-destructive and silly.

I noticed after posting above, that that I called my teacher, "chinese". But before her disclaimer, I had viewed her as generically American. The poor girl, after one contact with a group of jerks that would have just as easily yelled, "n***er, jew, fasto or slut, she spent her whole life focused only on slights and innuendo from the cruel, and missing overatures of friendship from the kind.

Go into the Holocaust museum and you will find a whole section blaming the Christians, Martin Luther, the Vatican (ok, justified) as if Hitler's use of relentless use of propaganda, nationalism and the ever present "blame someone else for your misery.. soup d'jour ...jews" - was not to blame. No, instead, the holocaust museum, that protector of the ideal that we should judge on individual merit dedicates a whole section to blaming "Christians" who supposedly were somehow responsible because they set the stage with antisemitism with their residual anger over Jews killing Jesus (never mind it was the Romans).

Which brings this full circle. The problems between Christians and Jews are for the most part as historical as the problems between Catholics and Episcopalians. But Muslims are another story. Introducing concepts of forgiveness and charity to Muslims would take centuries. But we could focus on the similarities of those who believe in God.

It might not work - but it is a valid point and thus it just might work.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 12:31 Comments || Top||

#26  Nothing miraculous about it.

So? the prophecy isnt ABOUT the birth itself (from the Jewish POV) its just the background for the person to be born.

And by the way, who was telling me that Christians DONT tell Jews what their religion should be, or what their texts should mean?

How rich is it for a muslim to presume to lecture and teach a religion that is the elder of islam by more than a thousand years. Thats the spirit in which this article has been written and diseminated. In the muslim scheme of things newer is better and more advanced, the wisdom of the ages is rejected. Its kind of like a grandchild attempting to lecture his grandparent instead of sitting reverantly at their feet to learn from them.

Maybe its time to stop lecturing. And yes, taking a Hebrew text, and telling me that the interpretation given it by Christians since Chrisianity began is superior to the interpretations Jews have given it as far back as we know, is just as much lecturing as muslims telling me about the prophets. They tell me my texts are corrupted. You interpret my texts as primarily important as proofs for YOUR central tenets, which MY religion doesnt share. I see little to choose. Except well, that ex-Christians created the enlightenment, while ex-muslims havent. Which is nothing to sneeze at.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 12:35 Comments || Top||

#27  2b - I do support friendship and mutual respect between jews and christians. The history of Christianity is pretty fascinating. Theyve left us with everything from cathedrals to Bach concertos, to Rembrandt. Nothing to sneeze at, theology aside. Heck, Id forgive alot just of JS Bach. I also want friendship and understanding between jews and muslims. And no, I dont think it will take centuries.

As for the museum, I dont think theyre blaming todays Christians, but trying to understand the background to antisemitism in Europe. Which is ok, theyre a MUSEUM, its their job to look at history.

reliving the sins of past generations just seems so self-destructive and silly

Every year we retell the story of enslavement and liberation from Egypt. Every year we retell the story of the destruction of the Temple by the babylonians. Memory is an essential part of Judaism, JUST as it is for Christianity.

Few Christians today are antisemites, and Christianity is largely a force for good in the world. Theres no point in forgetting the historical truth of christian-jewish relations however,and you cant build a real relationship on denial. And at a time when some Christians are going on about every muslim sin in the book, it rings pretty hollow.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 12:45 Comments || Top||

#28  Israeli troops are employing the most ruthless and cruel methods against Palestinians.

Whoa, whoa.

Go. No. Further.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:59 Comments || Top||

#29  Do you honestly think that we can't discuss very real differences between different faiths without losing it?
You can if you believe rather than subscribe.

From the POV of Judaism both Islam and Christianity are false, period.
This is the same arrogance and lack of insight that the Muslims display, so yes, perhaps your point is valid.

Look, we're either talking about people, or about faiths. If we're talking about people, lets talk about people and stop talking about faiths. If we're talking about faiths as such, lets talk about faiths, and stop denying uncomfortable truths cause theyre politically inconvient.
Excellent point. I could not agree with you more. You restore my faith in your intelligence.

However today, the phrase Judeo-christian is used by Christian fundamentalists, to appear less narrow minded and more pluralist - I can hardly blame them, seeing as how they are often maligned by secularists - they feel like a minorty struggling for legitimacy, much as Reform jews did in the 19th c. But to do so, theyve had to stretch the truth a bit.
I'm amused that you think I'm so stupid as not to recognize this for the childish slur that it is. Talk about bigoted stereotypes. ....and you have a big nose and are tight with your money, right? I'm surprised you'd stoop to such gutter tactics, but then again maybe not.

In fact anyone who seriously examines historical Judaism, or its modern variants, Orthodoxy and Conservative Judaism, can see that it has a LOT in common with many streams of historical Islam -its really hard to make the case that its closer to Christianity than to Islam. Im NOT preaching to anyone, or fiddling for anyone. Im just pointing out a few truths is all.

yeah right ...and you can't see the similarities because you hate Christians like my "chinese" friend hates "americans". Youre deeply personal slights by Christians are far more meaningful to you than the idea that the Muslims want you dead.

My apologies to other Jewish contributors of rantburg, many of whom I greatly respect. My negative comments are limited soley to the bitter and bigoted Liberalhawk, whose palatable hatred of Christians just oozes through the net.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

#30  "Biography of Walid Shoebat

Born in Bethlehem of Judea, Walid's grandfather was the Muslim Mukhtar (chieftain) of Beit Sahour-Bethlehem (The Shepherd's Fields) and a friend of Haj-Ameen Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and notorious friend of Adolf Hitler.

Walid's great grandfather, Abdullah Ali Awad-Allah, was also a fighter and close associate of both Abdul Qader and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, who led the Palestinians against Israel. Walid lived through and witnessed Israel’s Six Day War while living in Jericho.

As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusalem's central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.

After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.

In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy."
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

#31  Every year we retell the story of enslavement and liberation from Egypt. Every year we retell the story of the destruction of the Temple by the babylonians. Memory is an essential part of Judaism, JUST as it is for Christianity.

No..that distinctive difference that you talked about is very evident here. We're into forgiveness and moving on. It was fucking thousands of years ago. Go ahead and seethe. It's your loss.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 13:09 Comments || Top||

#32  LH,

I can see you were offended by my comments but I believe that you misunderstood me.

"You can either see this as a prediction of the birth of Jesus or as a theological statement that says that God can do anything even what we think of as impossible,"

I meant the first half of the statement to mean what Christians believe and the second half of the statement was meant to be a suggestion for the meaning of the text that would be in keeping with Jewish understanding and usage of the sorts of signs that God uses to point to events where He is at work. I was not trying to tell you how to understand it. I was expressing a thought that I had and simply asked you to consider it as a thought an idea, a place where we might have some possibility for agreement.

Christians may own the idea of a virgin birth now and Jews may now wholly reject the very idea of any virgin birth even if it were to point to some event in Jewish history having nothing to do with Jesus at all. But what I was suggesting is that in Isaiah's time it would not have been an un-Jewish thought to speak about a virgin birth as a sign nor would it have an uncommon usage as far as I know ie it would be another way of stating a very properly Jewish theological concept that God is in control of nature and the material world and he can do with it unimaginable, miraculous things. The Scripture could be said to be full of such signs promising that God is in ultimate control of everything.

I am having some trouble understanding where you are coming from though. First you say that the meaning isn't really clear and noone can really say what exactly was meant my the word almah in that context (At least thats how I read what you said) and then you talk like there is no doubt that the word refers to an ordinary birth of a non-virgin out of wedlock, a common event. With all due respect, you really do confuse me.

Nothing that I said to you was intended in any way to convince you that my way of interpreting scripture is the only right way. I was expressing my point of view. I, not you or anyone else, but I can't see how Isaiah could have meant anything but an unmarried virgin whether that means she woould be a sign for Jesus or for something else more in line with Jewish interpretation. I by no means meant to suggest that the only possible interpretation would be for Jews to embrace the virgin birth of Jesus. I personally fail to see why if we agreed on the meaning of the word just for the sake of argument why that would necessarily mean a rejection of centuries of Jewish thought on what the passage means.

I thought we were doing really well but I think you still have a way to go trusting me that I am not trying some tricksy way to convert you or concede that I am right and you as a Jew don't know what you are talking about. I don't doubt that any attempt to convert you would fail but you would be justified in being offended by even an attempt to do so. Just know that I can assure you that is not on my agenda at all. Maybe we will understand one another better that way.

Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 13:19 Comments || Top||

#33  Interesting thread-lots of lengthy comments, though.

Speaking only for myself, the thread reveals one thing to me-that I never want to be a part of any religion that pats itself on the back about having the true God, about being the oldest religion, etc. God and smug don't go together. Ugliness has been done by every people at every time on this earth. Let's focus on the now, because the now we can affect.

These discussions get so hot because we are sometimes so literal about our faiths-often resulting in what surely appear to be incitements and insults. It's no wonder so many wars have been about religion.

In America, we have freedom of religion. Do we really accept each others' beliefs AS LONG AS THOSE BELIEFS DON'T HARM OR HINDER others?
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 13:34 Comments || Top||

#34  jules...my dog came here to see why you made me cry..and ...no..I'm not deranged.

Evil exists...to ask why is to ask how the earth began.

Peggy..God bless you. that I could be more like you...looking to understand than to blame.

We will never undrstand. So much transcends the labels. Evil is evil. Love is love.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 13:44 Comments || Top||

#35  #14: I think this idea of shifting the blame against the Jews to the pagans and communists is absolutely brilliant. Why, because it's true. They are more aligned with the Jews and Christians than they are with the communists and pagans.

I'm still up in arms over wondering about this one. Part of me agrees with you (I think that most Muslims agree closely with Jews and Christians over "moral" issues like homosexuality, abortion, etc. (at least in the Western World), but the portion of Islam that's trying to rule the world in my mind is more of a political faction, more aligned with "communists and pagans" in that their way is the only way). To me, it goes to the issue of fundamentalism...Fundamentalist Jews and Christians are not blowing others up, whereas fundamentalist mooselimbs are (and do so as called by the Koran). While the Jews were called to be violent in our Old Testament, they have since renounced that, and I don't know of any scripture in the New Testament that sanctions violence. However, there are numerous scriptures in the Koran (and the hadith) that call for violence by Muslims...that's the main difference in my mind.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 13:59 Comments || Top||

#36  And, I would add, that short term, 2b, maybe it's o.k. to shift the blame to the communists and pagans, but, long term, that's a BAD move in my book. We need to place blame where it belongs...only on themselves. I don't know that I'd wish the radical mooselimbs on ANYONE, and once they conquer the "communists and pagans," where will they turn next? Back toward us.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 14:02 Comments || Top||

#37  "I believe my religion is true" is no different than saying "I believe your different religion is false."

A believer in Judaism by necessity believes both Islam and Christianity are false. A Muslim by necessity believes both Christianity and Judaism are false. A Christian by necessity believes both Judaism and Islam are false.

If you don't believe on the falsehood of the other religions, you can't possibly believe on the truth of your own. A person must be a doublethinker to believe that two contradictory religions can both be true.

For a person to think that for someone to say "I believe your religion is false" is bigotry means other faiths offend him just by existing, and thus he reveals his own bigotry.

Islam and Judaism, faith-wise, are far closer to each other than either are to Christianity. In the strict monotheism, in their opposition to idols and icons, in the combination of legalistic tradition with religious teachings in a manner which has never been shared by Christianity.

That's not bigotry either, either against Christianity, Islam or Judaism.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 01/19/2005 14:03 Comments || Top||

#38  ignore
Posted by: Tom || 01/19/2005 14:13 Comments || Top||

#39  Nice idea, btw about aligning the theocrats against the "pagans", the "communists", and the "atheists".

Definitely shows why us cheerful agnostics don't trust the Christian theocrats either even when they claim harmlessness. They're willing to kill the non-believers just as happily as they are to kill the theocrats of other religions.

Beware btw, that the alliance doesn't go *against* your interests. The orthodox christian fascists have indeed shown the occasional desire for an alliance with the islamist fascists against the "pagans", "atheists" and *capitalists* of AMERICA.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 01/19/2005 14:13 Comments || Top||

#40  but the portion of Islam that's trying to rule the world in my mind is more of a political faction, more aligned with "communists and pagans" in that their way is the only way).

my way is the only way.

sometimes I wonder if we aren't all in purgatory, with the purpose of realizing that "my way is the only way" is flat out wrong.

Of course we each believe we are right If we didn't believe that...what else is there..to believe that our beliefs are wrong? um...hello.

As I write this, I've come to the conclusion that what matters is not as much what you believe...truly believe, not subscribe to, but how you deal with what others "believe".
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 14:14 Comments || Top||

#41  Tom, wanted to comment something like "Aris, you are such a superficial schmuck", but your way is way better. :-)
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 14:20 Comments || Top||

#42  LH,

you said

"In fact anyone who seriously examines historical Judaism, or its modern variants, Orthodoxy and Conservative Judaism, can see that it has a LOT in common with many streams of historical Islam -its really hard to make the case that its closer to Christianity than to Islam. "

I really don't understand how you could say this. Theologically, islam and Judaism may be similar but that is like saying that because a box and a house are more alike than different because they are both made of wood. Theology is like wood. Its structural. It makes all the difference what you do with it.

The fact is that while Christianity and Judaism differ theologically, we share something more important. We share a heart, our common Scriptures. So while Judaism builds a house with wood and from the point of view of Jews, Christians build with some other material altogether (Of course I think this is entirely arguable) we both build houses in the same spirit.

Spirit seems to me a far greater thing to share than some theological statements. Someone can take the belief that God has no partners and if they believe that that God will break his promise or else fall out of love with his people and choose another then how deep does the similarity go?

Listen to what muslims say about God. Not just the nice stuff that they trot out when the cameras are rolling and the journos scribbling. But all of what they say about Him. What do they say about the Law, man' purpose and relationship to God. What do they say about man's creation and nature? Who do they say that prophets are and what was their message?

In every comparison of the spirit of each religion, there are gaping wide disparities. On the outside they look a lot alike, but everything else is different.

Now ask the same questions of Christians. The answers will be far closer together. In both Judaism and Christianity, man is made in God's image or likeness. In islam, man is just the first of the creatures. He bears no likeness of God at all. Think of the implications of that.

If we are talking spirit and no outward similarities then Christianity is much closer because we hear God's own voice from his own Scriptures. Think what you want about our theology, but at heart we both believe in the same God regarding his nature, purposes and relationship with his creation. Compared to that kinship, muslims worship an alien god he is so far removed from our understanding of reality.

This seems like hardly a negligible thing to me.
Posted by: peggy || 01/19/2005 14:23 Comments || Top||

#43  Aris, you have some good points.
A Christian by necessity believes both Judaism and Islam are false. If you don't believe on the falsehood of the other religions, you can't possibly believe on the truth of your own.

i beg to disagree. I'm more interested in mysself than others. If you don't believe in the teachings of Christ - it's not my loss, but yours. If you are a thief/whore/homosexual - it's not for me to judge whether you are right or wrong - it's up to God. I may not agree, but it's not up to me. I can only believe what I believe.

Jesus said, "judge not" and I take that to heart.

I'm happy in my realization that Jesus taught a good way to live life. From my own personal experiences, and not from blind belief, I believe in the beauty of afterlife. It will be beautiful if you are good, and it will be evil if you are evil. Just like your dreams. If you do evil, you dream evil, if you are good, your dreams are good. Those who commit evil live in their own, personally created hell.

I was a once a non-believer and understand how "crazy" I sound and I don't care. If your IQ is over 70, you understand about good and evil. To deny it is to wrap yourself in the lies of our times.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 14:30 Comments || Top||

#44  BA....
And, I would add, that short term, 2b, maybe it's o.k. to shift the blame to the communists and pagans, but, long term, that's a BAD move in my book. We need to place blame where it belongs...only on themselves. I don't know that I'd wish the radical mooselimbs on ANYONE, and once they conquer the "communists and pagans," where will they turn next? Back toward us.

you are right, my solution is short term and shallow. So...what do we do? Nothing?

Muslims have created their own hell. As individuals, they are no different from you or I, but if we could find a way to teach them about forgiveness and chairty then....that would be good.

By looking to lies about fighting "someone else" ie: pagans and communists, I have stooped to everything that I am against.

If the solution was easy, it would have been discovered over 2,000 years ago. I don't have it.

Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 14:44 Comments || Top||

#45  Its not about seething, or being anti-Christian -- my husband is one, for goodness sake!, and his wonderful mother showed me what it means to be a born-again Christian, just as I showed her what it means to be Jewish. Its about acknowledging the history that shaped our current reality. Shoot, I remember arguing with a high school classmate that Jews do too love one another just as Christians do -- she had learnt otherwise in Sunday School; the Pope only recently decreed that all Jews throughout the ages can not be held responsible for Christ's crucifixion. It is this kind of mindset that current Christianity has so resolutely and admirably set its face against, but the history is not ancient, and being aware of that is not the same as seething or anti-Christian bigotry.

Peggy, just FYI: Isaiah (yes, you spelled it correctly) is Jewish history. He was speaking to the people of his time, about the events of his time -- the Assyrian conquest of Israel and the Babylonian conquest of Judah. And indeed, the events he prophesied -- the return of the Jews to Israel during the rule of Cyrus of Persia -- fulfilled that. The Christians subsequently interpreted the same verses to apply to Jesus, which the Jews don't see at all. Which is fine, the Old Testament belongs to Christians as well as Jews, but you can't argue details of interpretation when the basis is not agreed upon. I don't wish to argue with anyone about this -- this statement is for information only.

2b ... no, never mind. You are so sensible on other subjects. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 14:45 Comments || Top||

#46  but the portion of Islam that's trying to rule the world in my mind is more of a political faction, more aligned with "communists and pagans" in that their way is the only way). my way is the only way. sometimes I wonder if we aren't all in purgatory, with the purpose of realizing that "my way is the only way" is flat out wrong. Of course we each believe we are right If we didn't believe that...what else is there..to believe that our beliefs are wrong? um...hello. As I write this, I've come to the conclusion that what matters is not as much what you believe...truly believe, not subscribe to, but how you deal with what others "believe".

Strangely, I somewhat agree with Aris' statements in this...and it does give those agnostics (like Aris self-proclaimed he is) more ammo against us "Christian Theocrats." (calling my way the only way). Personally, I would agree with you, 2b, that my way IS the only way...but does that make me a "Christian Theocrat" if i don't try and FORCE my religion upon you (and I mean, true force, not just talking about it with you, like Aris means). Again, that in my mind is the TRUE difference between the Judeo-Christian mindset, and the Muslim one. While Islam and Judaism may be more similar in that they follow strict adherence to religious "rules," Islamic fundamentalists want to FORCE their views on everyone around them and have an extreme ideal of superiority/smugness about them. While I believe my way IS the only way, I won't FORCE it upon anyone and don't go around flaunting it haughtily. I am called to Love my neighbor as myself and to Love the Lord my God above all else. Therefore, there should be no earthly interests in gaining goods/property or converting unbelievers except out of love.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 14:50 Comments || Top||

#47  Before anyone jumps on me, I was responding to post #31. By the time I hit submit, the thread had moved on. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 15:00 Comments || Top||

#48  TW: I would think that true Christians would NEVER blame the Jews for the death of Christ, no matter what the Pope "declares," even recently. As a Christian, I believe that mankind, and I especially, is responsible for His death; and on the issue of "semantics," technically, the Romans were responsible for His death. I think this gets to the earlier point of what believers say vs. what the scriptures say. No matter what the Pope says, I know that my sin was the cause of Christ's death and that the Jews/Romans were but part of God's plan for His son, physically/earthly speaking. Christianity has fought its own "civil war" over these issues, and I for one, don't believe that the pope speaks for "Christendom". He is JUST a man, after all. --Like you stated, this is just for informational purposes only...not meant to start an argument. But, that important distinction (what believers say & do vs. what their Holy Book says) brings us full circle to the mooselimbs....they act in ACCORDANCE with their scriptures AND their entire history (not to mention the example of their prophet, big Mo), whereas violence done in the name of Christ is against His words.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 15:00 Comments || Top||

#49  While I believe my way IS the only way, I won't FORCE it upon anyone

Which is the "Christian Way" BA. Every single person alive believes that "their way" is "the way". We believe what we believe. It is not possible to do otherwise.

TW...you are like me, living in a family "divided" and yet understanding that we are not divided at all. Most of life transcends the labels of Christians, Jews, Muslim, Republican, Democrat and relies more on the higher ideals of love, family, faith, hope, chairty, and goodness.

BA..TW.. I don't have the answers...but I think we are on track for the right questions.

In the end..it's about the good that we each do, not on how we judge others.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 15:04 Comments || Top||

#50  BA, :FORCE my religion upon you... Again, that in my mind is the TRUE difference between the Judeo-Christian mindset, and the Muslim one.

Yes, is not that obvious?

Of course, there have been times when christianity was not that different from muslims in their attempts to force the religion on anyone. The difference is that it was an aberation, rather than what is in muslims' case a sanctioned behavior.

...

Just one small point about idolatry... Islam is not free of it--ponder Ka'aba and its clear function as a idolatrous symbol. Mohammed discarded other idols, but left the only one--Al Illah, the moon god => Allah.

It is interesting that the uber-Salafis consider Mecca (Ka'aba) and mosques as devices of idolatry.
They are factually correct, in this case. However, they elevated the "cheat and lie if it is to your advantage vis-a-vis Islam... and kill the infidels wherever you find them" to the main pillar of their religion. Who's the infidel? Anyone not uber-Salafi.
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 15:06 Comments || Top||

#51  Here, here, 2b! That's what I LOVE about Rantburg, that at the end of the day, we can "agree to disagree," as long as we realize who our true earthly enemies are and how to deal with them.
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 15:08 Comments || Top||

#52  right you are BA. Hammer meet nail.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#53  to all rantburgers - should I meet you in heaven or meet you in hell...I dedicate this to you:
to my rantburger friends

Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 15:22 Comments || Top||

#54  BA, like so many Rantburgers you are part of that lovely new approach Christianity is taking, and which I -- and Liberal Hawk, as he stated above but was nonetheless castigated -- fully appreciate. But what you are saying is that during the last 1800 years or so there have been no true Christians. Sobiesky -- the aberration you refer to was the common understanding across Christian sects, and they were fond of quoting Bible verses to support it. But yes, the Muslims are still at the stage where they believe they are called upon by God to convert the whole world to their theology -- by force, preferentially. This does indeed differ from current Christianity and Judaism. And despite the fact that both Jews and Muslims believe that God is indivisible and unitary, unlike the Christians who who believe God is trinary (Father, Son, Spirit), I am happy to live here in our secular, Enlightenment Christendom rather than the Ummah. The Muslims do not hew at all close to the ideals pushed by Muslim Peter.

Hammer and board -- lets go get that nail!
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 15:30 Comments || Top||

#55  Well, I would consider the first few centuries of Christianity as TRUE Christians. They were martyred (and, by that, I mean truly martyred, not suicide bombers intent on taking others with them) for their beliefs. Yes, the "Church" took a turn toward what you are saying probably around 300-500 AD, when it mixed with politics (you had selling of "forgiveness" by priests, the setting up of multiple layers of priests/bishops/etc, the forcing of Christianity onto anyone within certain "kingdoms," etc.). That is generally what the Reformation (some 1000 years or so later) faught against and what the Protestants faught against the Catholics for. But to say that I'm saying there were no TRUE Christians the last 1800 years or so is false. What that corruption of faith led to (and the fact that it dominated Christendom) may lead you to believe that there were no true Christians during that time, but I'm sure there were some (assuming you're basing your argument mainly upon Christians blaming the Jews for Christ's death). No argument here, I'm leaving for home from work, so yes, lets go get that nail!
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 15:52 Comments || Top||

#56  Seems to me we're discussing the "common formula" now.

It's just going to take a couple of scores to see which side reigns supreme.
Posted by: Chinese Unomoger1553 || 01/19/2005 15:53 Comments || Top||

#57  yeah...well. I hardley see the approach as "new", I mean...I suppose in the scope of history...2000 years could be considered "new".

But ...hey..whatever. Blame consumes the blamer and forgiveness moves forward.

I choose to forgive and move forward. Best of luck to all.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 15:54 Comments || Top||

#58  TW...Its about acknowledging the history that shaped our current reality

I reread my post above and would like to say my comment was inappropriate. I'm not sure what I meant by it, but I suppose it was directed at LH's inability to acknowledge that he is a bigot against Christians. He likes to disguise it through verbage, but it always oozes through.

I also agree with Aris and BA that my desire to redirect the blame of the palestinians is not as cute or clever as it seemed from the backside of a keyboard. I am duly chastised.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
ABC: Needs Help with Funerals for Iraq War Casualties
Honoring Fallen Heroes on Inauguration Day

Jan. 19, 2005 — For a possible Inauguration Day story on ABC News, we are trying to find out if there any military funerals for Iraq war casualties scheduled for Thursday, Jan. 20.

If you know of a funeral and whether the family might be willing to talk to ABC News, please fill out the form below:

I have a copy if this disappears
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 01/19/2005 5:59:38 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I can't decide. Are they vultures, hyenas or worse?
Posted by: eLarson || 01/19/2005 18:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 18:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Families who believe - and will say - that they are proud of their dead son/daughter who died doing what they believe in and to protect America need not apply.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/19/2005 18:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I'll vote for the "worse" eLarson.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 18:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Any particular reason that ABC feels it necessary to follow CBS into the mud?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 18:21 Comments || Top||

#6  I responded to their request as follows:

Name: Chuck U Farley

Phone number: 800-382-5968 (800-FUCK-YOU)

E-mail: biteme@yahoo.com

Message: This is a pretty classy move. Using a family's pain to take a shot at the President on the day of his inauguration.
Posted by: Tibor || 01/19/2005 18:21 Comments || Top||

#7  My Response:

How about you honor the fallen Mainstream Medias 'honor'. This is nothing shorting of disgusting. YOU MAKE ME SICK!!

Using a family's grief to attack the president on his inargulation day is pretty sick. And, no, I dont beleve for a second that you are doing this to 'honor the fallen'. Why on this day? To embarass the president of course.

Why dont you honor the fallen by showing all the progress which has been made in Iraq?

You, PETER JENNINGS AND COMPANY are a bunch of vultures. Thank god we (people) dont have to go to you liars to get our news anymore.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/19/2005 19:02 Comments || Top||

#8  They got rid of it. Would've loved to read the emails they got.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 20:21 Comments || Top||

#9  What a bunch of scumbags. Actually, "scumbags" is too mild a word for them, but I can't think of what would be worse.

Hey, MSM, how about honoring our war dead BY SUPPORTING THE WAR????
Posted by: Dave D. || 01/19/2005 20:43 Comments || Top||

#10  ABC and other outlets could easily have arranged for American soldiers to be killed far enough in advance that their funerals would fall on inauguration day. I wouldn't put it past the swine. I have proposed a new acronym at LGF--
MATE (Media Are the Enemy).
This would naturally lead to check-MATE.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 22:42 Comments || Top||

#11  You broke em, the link is gone.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/20/2005 0:01 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
KCNA Slams Outbursts of IAEA Director General
Pyongyang, January 18 (KCNA) -- El Baradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, recently blustered that the DPRK is the primary threat to the nuclear non-proliferation system and has breached the NPT beyond the IAEA control for 12 years. His remarks go to prove how he busied himself backing the U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK as he wantonly interfered in the issue outside his mandate.
The DPRK is not a member nation of the NPT and had already withdrawn from the IAEA. It has nothing to do with the IAEA. Yet, he is still pulling up the DPRK over this or that. This is an undisguised provocation and an imprudent act exceeding his authority.
We can hardly understand how he still remains in the office as director general of the IAEA as he does not know why and how the nuclear issue surfaced between the DPRK and the U.S. and the well known fact that the DPRK is no longer a member nation of the IAEA and NPT.
Hey, we agree on something!
He is known to have busied himself implementing the policies of the U.S. administration as its henchman and changed his stand without difficulty.
He expressed a "serious concern" over the nuclear issue of south Korea when it was disclosed. But no sooner had voices patronizing Seoul come out from Washington than he made a volte-face at once. He asserted that the DPRK is to blame for the delayed settlement of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, blustering that now is the time for the UNSC to move.
He is now doing his best to please the U.S. in his reckless bid to serve another term as IAEA director general.
He behaved discarding even the principle of objectivity, impartiality and neutrality which the IAEA should regard as its life and soul just to please the U.S., his master. But he is now out of favor with the U.S. due to the differences over various matters related to Iran, Iraq and some other Mideast countries.
The U.S. has already expressed its stand more than once that it is opposed to his serving another term as IAEA director general at the end of his second term. The Washington Post reported that officials of the U.S. administration wiretapped scores of phone calls between El Baradei and Iranian diplomats, which was aimed to gather evidence unfavorable to him and unseat him.
It is as clear as noonday that he, who has acted under the pulls and pressures of the superpower, will stoop to any infamy just to court the U.S. favour as he is tight-cornered. This time he succeeded in improving his image talking about the so-called "authority" of the IAEA. He asserted that the IAEA has sufficient modern technological means to verify even nuclear activities in any "closed facility" and as was the case with the elimination of nuclear weapons in South Africa., the IAEA can take charge of the job once an agreement is reached. This betrays his political greed.
It is ridiculous of him to poke his nose into internal affairs of the country outside the IAEA though he has failed to solve its own problems at a time when the secret nuclear experiments conducted by its member nations are disclosed one after another. If he truly wants to discharge the mission and role as the IAEA chief, he is well advised to mind P's and Q's and stick to the principle of impartiality, though belatedly, so that the IAEA may not become a plaything of anyone.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 4:27:14 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If he truly wants to discharge the mission and role as the IAEA chief, he is well advised to mind P's and Q's and stick to the principle of impartiality, though belatedly, so that the IAEA may not become a plaything of anyone.

No, we certainly would not like the IAEA to become a plaything of anyone, expecially the MMs. Horrors! Better watch out for the Sea of Fire thing, El Baradai. This ditty from the DPRK (alias NORK) is just a warm-up exercise.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 17:24 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Drudge Reporting - FBI: Search For 'dirty Bomb' In Boston
UPDATED: 4:20 pm EST January 19, 2005

BOSTON -- The Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency has been placed on standby, and public safety officials are meeting at the bunker, according to a published report Wednesday. There have been reports that the FBI office in Boston received a call from an FBI office in California warning officials about a suspicious person that may be in the area, according to the Boston Herald's Web site. No specific threats have been confirmed, but FBI agents in Boston have been put on alert, and officials started to gather at MEMA at about 1:30 p.m.
Developing, fingers crossed
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 4:24:13 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh, great. This should be a fun commute home.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 16:35 Comments || Top||

#2  Probably will amount to nothing again, but if not, anyone care to lay odds that the "suspicious person" ain't named Frank or John?

If there's a "suspicious person" in the area, then perhaps releasing a description of said "suspicious person" would help find him.

Just a thought.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 01/19/2005 16:37 Comments || Top||

#3  " a suspicious person that may be in the area "

Must be John Kerry
Posted by: tex || 01/19/2005 16:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Actually tu, the commute home will suck anyway for the usual seasonal weather-related reasons...

I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED, that this is taking place in the deepest bowels of blue America... /michaelmoore
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/19/2005 16:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Nah, can't be Kerry. He actually went to work, for a change.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 16:45 Comments || Top||

#6  You cannot get at the Boston Herald piece anymore because of traffic but the little I read of it, before being iterrupted, sounded pretty vague and involved an anonymous tip from a illegal alien smuggler
Posted by: TomAnon || 01/19/2005 16:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Don't worry. This is only a "war."

/sarcasm

Stop 'em.
Posted by: Graick Thrutle1332 || 01/19/2005 16:58 Comments || Top||

#8  A law enforcement source, speaking under the condition of anonymity, stated that authorities are searching for 6-8 men, reportedly from Iraq accompanied by suspects of Asian origin- with science backgrounds.
Posted by: Dutchgeek || 01/19/2005 17:01 Comments || Top||

#9  Suspects named and mugshots posted:


"Adam Yahiye Gadahn. Date of birth used: Sept. 1, 1978. Height: 5-11. Weight: 190 pounds. A U.S. citizen, this man also goes by the names Adam Pearlman, Abu Suhayb Al- Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams and Yayah."
(others at link)

AC inside source: This is being taken very seriously indeed. It is still probably a hoax but there is additional critical information that has not been released. Can't say more for now.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 17:21 Comments || Top||

#10  That loser again? He looks like an escapee from a How-To-Be-A-Goth convention.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 01/19/2005 17:28 Comments || Top||

#11  " Nah, can't be Kerry. He actually went to work, for a change "

Giving C. Rice a hard time is hardly what I call work. Kerry is freakin pig ass !!
Posted by: Bill Clinton || 01/19/2005 17:32 Comments || Top||

#12  Gadahn is the best-known AQ fugitive in the US, unless you want to count Clark, Hersh, Al-Qatie Qouric et al, who are technically not fugitives but unindicted co-conspirators.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 17:42 Comments || Top||

#13  The TV show "24" is getting grief these days because this season the “sleeper cell” that is bent on a terrorist act is Muslim.

Those wacky “24” producers…where on earth do they come up with these ideas??
Posted by: Justrand || 01/19/2005 17:50 Comments || Top||

#14  AC - Lol! Unindicted is unfortunately right, heh.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:51 Comments || Top||

#15  Just - I saw the first 2 hour show (missed the followup the next night, damnit!) and throughout the show it kept occurring to me that whomever is writing the show is smart, well-informed, and calling a spade a spade. Figured it would be cancelled by Muslim protests, lol!

Fug'em. If I can remember, I'll try to watch it - it really was a decent drama with the most timely topic possible. Let's hope that shitloads of American watch it.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:54 Comments || Top||

#16  Wouldn't a dirty bomb require a significant amount of radioactive material packed around some conventional bomb? Wouldn't the conventional bomb be something like a ANFO (ammonium nitrate-fuel oil)? It would also seem that after Oklahoma City and WTC I, it would be more difficult to obtain ANFO components. It would also seem that it would be difficult to obtain a sufficient amount of radioactive material to contaminate a large area. I don't know, it just seems that way to me.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 17:56 Comments || Top||

#17  JQC, it might be best not to discuss improvised explosive formulations in any detail online.

Just the same, the ingredients for ANFO are still widely available, they are manufactured in huge amounts, they are crucial to the national economy, and there is just no way to control access to them.
Also, a dirty bomb wouldn't require much of it, certainly nothing like the two tons Tim McVeigh to blow up the Murrah building.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 18:09 Comments || Top||

#18  Problem with radiological weapons is that they are pure terror weapons and rely more on panic than actual damage or lethality. Besides, if one is crazy enough, it is not too hard to get scrapped x-ray machines in Mexican junkyards and open up their source boxes for the isotopes. Whole load of cast iron lawn furniture got returned to Mexico because of an accident involving an old x-ray machine, that was several years ago.
So no, 20 or 30 pounds of plastique and a couple of pounds of isotope, and a city is devastated - even though most of the death and injuries are caused by the panic.
Posted by: Crinesing Unomomble9253 || 01/19/2005 18:09 Comments || Top||

#19  I suspect that to get the effect of a dirty bomb all you would pretty much have to do is explode it then say SAY is was a dirty bomb. Maybe throw in a old radium dial watch for effect.

Throw the whole city in a tizzy.

Posted by: Michael || 01/19/2005 18:10 Comments || Top||

#20  Whole load of cast iron lawn furniture got returned to Mexico because of an accident involving an old x-ray machine, that was several years ago.

Glad to hear someone was on their toes about the lawn furniture. The other comments are reason for concern but not panic. Hope law enforcement and Federal agencies are on top of things.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 18:19 Comments || Top||

#21  #18
I was directly involved in running down the Mexican radiology incident. It started not with an X-Ray machine (which aren't radioactive) but with an old cobalt-pellet radiation-therapy machine.
A hospital here in Lubbock sold the machine to a clinic in Mexico, complete with its requisite supply of radioactive cobalt isotopes. The machine broke down and was left derelict, after which the clinic went out of businees. Its assets, including the unrepairable and now unrecognized cobalt machine, were auctioned off. One of the buyers was a scrap dealer who sold his haul, including the cobalt machine, to a Mexican steel mill. The mill used the scrap in a batch of steel that was then used to make structural beams, among other things.

The whole things came to light by an amazing quirk of fate. Some of the beams were sold to an American contractor. The truck-driver hauling them got lost after he crossed the border. In the middle of nowhere, he spotted what he took for an isolated police post and pulled in for directions. He had actually entered a security gate at the White Sands Proving Ground, one of the few places in the country where state-of-the- art radiation detectors routinely come into contact with civilian traffic. The detectors went off the scale, responding to the radioactive cobalt in the beams. The innocent driver was hustled away to the FBI office, the Nuclear Emergency Search Team was called in, and the hunt was on.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 18:25 Comments || Top||

#22  Steve: This is a newsworthy posting- thanks for the info. it is the first I had heard. Let us all hope that no terrorist action occures in Boston or anywhere else in the U.S. (It is all a matter of time). I am alarmed at some of the posting's.....I don't take this lightly or as a joking matter.

Andrea Jackson
Posted by: Andrea || 01/19/2005 18:33 Comments || Top||

#23  I did some work at Oak Ridge at one time. There were ponds with low level radioactive waste from the WW II era. Routinely, frogs, ducks, deer, and trees would be checked to see if they glowed in the dark, i.e were radioactive. Most of these ponds have been drained and cleaned up.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 18:36 Comments || Top||

#24  I've got one for you, AC. Up there in Panhandle country the ground water is pretty interesting. I worked on a program that predicted the constriction of producing wells from interior pipe build-up of minerals - via lab testing the ground water produced. A batch of wells up there was closing in and a field trip was in order. The pipe was tripped out when it closed in and stored on a concrete pad with a cyclone fence around it. These wells were on a dairy farm. The cow path that Elsie & Co followed each day, to and from the barn, went right by this pad. We arrived and the instant the Geiger counter was turned on, it pegged - at every range selection. We were about 10 yards from this stack of pipe. Strontium, cesium, and good old calcium carbonate as the binder. Heh. That pipe was whisked out of there by 8:30AM the next day. Dunno where it went, but there were no logged phone calls, no memos, no nothing in the company files. I am certain the farmer wasn't told. An ee cummings classic comes to mind: "I've never seen a purple cow, and I never hope to see one. But from the milk we're getting now, there certainly must be one." Heh, heh.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 18:36 Comments || Top||

#25  AC I am from lubbock ... that is so interesting ... my Dad worked at white sands missle range many moons ago
Posted by: legolas || 01/19/2005 18:38 Comments || Top||

#26  Excellant, Legolas.
I live about three blocks from the Covenant Medical Center, the old Methodist Hospital where the renegade cobalt machine originated. The hospital in Lubbock was held blameless in the episode, but the Mexican authorities threw the book at the bankrupt clinic owners who had failed to dispose of the machine properly.

.com. I've heard, but cannot verify, that a fair amount of the pipe used in Project Gas Buggy was unaccounted for afterward.
Gas Buggy was a hare-brained "Atoms-for-Peace" plan that tried to free trapped natural gas by pulverizing the surrounding rock with nuclear explosives. The experiments were conducted in SW Colorado, with live shots in gas-bearing strata. It worked beautifully, but the resulting gas was radioactive.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 18:48 Comments || Top||

#27  It is an open secret in the awl bidness that there are some remarkably hot spots around the country. One of the best insides jokes has to do with Louisiana when they started up their own State EPA office. They declared a "safe" radiation level that was lower than the background level of return water for everywhere in the state that the people I worked for had ever seen produced. If they had followed LA State Law, every drop of produced water (with the oil / gas) would have had to be treated as Hazardous Waste - the whole nine yards. What actually occurred, with every company - else LA would've had zero oil / gas production and gone bankrupt - was that the produced water was trucked to the coast and dumped in the Gulf. Lol, there are some truly stupid people in Gov't... Stories abound, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 19:02 Comments || Top||

#28  I was aware that some forms of coal are hot.
I hadn't heard about oil/gas.
Then again, the US Capitol bldg is measurably radioactive.
Posted by: Dishman || 01/19/2005 19:18 Comments || Top||

#29  DoE on Project Gasbuggy

Gasbuggy was part of the "Plowshare" program for finding peaceful uses for nuclear explosives.

For pure reckless insanity, my favorite Plowshare proposal was to use shallow multi-megaton nuke detonations to blast a new canal across Central America.


"The 1962 "Sedan" plowshares shot displaced 12 million tons of earth and created a crater 320 feet deep and 1,280 feet wide." (this was 104 kilotons)
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 19:20 Comments || Top||

#30  Okay, my bad. I misremember the machine type, but the basics are the same : source box for isotopes and voila - radiological weapon base.
Plus, go to top of tall building, detonate with minor shaping to plastique to insure wind dispersal, and major league ensues.
Posted by: Crinesing Unomomble9253 || 01/19/2005 19:21 Comments || Top||

#31  I don't think anything is being revealed here that isn't known. MSM has had stories in Time or Newsweek with how such things would be done--graphics and all.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 19:28 Comments || Top||

#32  AC - I live out by target ... always enjoy your insights.
Posted by: legolas || 01/19/2005 19:29 Comments || Top||

#33  #28 Dishman

Coal typically contains 1-3 ppm uranium and about three times that much thorium. This is concentrated in the combustion residue (ash) when the coal is burned, with the result that the coal industry is dumping about 800 tons of uranium into the environment every year without a peep of protest from anti-nuke luddites.
If recovered and used in reactors, this uranium would generate more power than was produced by burning the coal from which it was derived.

Some scientists have actually suggested mining ash-heaps at coal-fired powerplants as a readily available source of uranium. Utility companies are naturally pretty skittish about this potential source of additional income. In fact, one local utility would not allow me to take radiation readings from their ash-heaps, declaring that I would have to have a federal court order for this.

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 19:30 Comments || Top||

#34  Granite too.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 19:31 Comments || Top||

#35  JQ
Indeed. An average specimen of granite generates enough heat from radioactive decay to vaporize itself in about 600,000 years if it were perfectly insulated.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 19:37 Comments || Top||

#36  I wonder what the background level is in my back yard. : live on/near the 25 Hill oil field in Taft Ca.

Dirty bombs are "terror" weapons in the true sense. They really would not cause that many casualties.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 20:08 Comments || Top||

#37  Speaking of harebrained schemes. We in Alaska had a proposed 2.4 megaton blast Plowshare project called Project Chariot at Cape Thomson near Point Hope, Alaska, on the northwest coast. This was around 1958. The AEC did alot of work up there, even brought in low level radioactive waste for tracer studies to see where radioactive debris would go after the blast. People got wind of the project and it was stopped. One of the people that blew the whistle was a Univ of Alaska Fairbanks researcher named William Pruitt (maybe Fred's distant relative). UAF was heavily loaded up with US govt research money, so Dr. Pruitt got into trouble for blowing the whistle. There even was made sort of a limerick about it.

There was a young doctor named Pruitt
Who found fallout in Caribou suett
If I tell Dr. Wood, he'll tell me to be good
And I'll rue it
Said Pruitt
So screw it
I'll do it

More info on Project chariot here

Info on the radioactive tracer studies on the project site here.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 20:09 Comments || Top||

#38  Many years ago in Detroit, a truck carrying used dressings from cancer patients who had had radiation treatment crashed.
The headline assured the readers that the thing "failed to explode."
I don't think we can count on the media to help prevent panic.
Look what they do when two inches of snow is predicted.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey || 01/19/2005 20:16 Comments || Top||

#39  All is well here. Tom Menino says this is all from "enornymous" sources so we should have nothing to worry about. Looking for four Chinese in a white van so they should be real easy to find.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 20:27 Comments || Top||

#40  Looking for four Chinese in a white van so they should be real easy to find.

There go all the chinese restaurants and the guy who was going to resurface my hardwood floor...

Posted by: Raj || 01/19/2005 21:24 Comments || Top||

#41  http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/006185.php
has links to more information.
Also from Drudge Link

and http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=64303

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144898,00.html
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 21:43 Comments || Top||

#42  Sorry about screwing with the formatting. I didn't mean to :-(
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 21:44 Comments || Top||

#43  Anyone know if there are "hot spots" in the southern Colorado Rockies region SW of Colo Springs?
Posted by: lex || 01/19/2005 21:44 Comments || Top||

#44  Trailing wife---just use the links command:
[a href=' '] [/a]
except subsitute left and right arrow type symbols. See the buttons or the instructions below the text box on your comment submission box.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 21:52 Comments || Top||

#45  lex - I know nothing specific about that area - there was no heavy O&G production there when I was writing simulators. General rule of thumb: there are always more problems at lower altitude - running water has passed over and through more rock heading for the ocean, heh. "Static" aquifers are a different matter - local lithology controls the quality. It seems radon gas happens more often at lower altitudes, too, IIRC.

High is good. I like to be first to pass snowmelt, heh, not the 50th...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 21:53 Comments || Top||

#46  No guys... all that there is small stuff!
If Kennedy had not signed the non-p treaty.... Project Orion would have put massive US bases on the moon and the planets!
Talk about macho.... Riding a machine-gun blast of atomic bombs into orbit with spaceships the size of a village is no laughing matter.
It would have worked to! Although, enough flights and all of us left on this mud ball would be mutants with cancer.
Orion' Links to the future -- Nuclear Pulse Propulsion

www.projectorion.com


This is a bit safer but not as much fun:
Liftport The Space Elevator Companies
Posted by: hmmm || 01/19/2005 22:33 Comments || Top||

#47  Thanks, A. Paul. I'll try it next time. But I am the legendary end user, so I can't guarantee I'll do it right. In the meantime, heartfelt thanks to whoever fixed it!

I've more links for the latest, such as it is, but I'll start a new thread.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 22:35 Comments || Top||

#48  This is another worry besides the dirty bomb:
Isomer bombs?
Posted by: 3dc || 01/19/2005 22:43 Comments || Top||

#49  Since we are on the subject, check out Nuclear Space.
This was founded by the same group associated with the Orion link mentioned above. It is also the origin of my nic.

During the early 60s, the US was actually running two Moon-landing programs concurrently. The highly-publicized Apollo program used chemical rockets and was designed to put a man on the Moon by 1970. It succeeded and eventually put a dozen people on the Moon at a cost of $40 billion.

Until its cancellation in 1963, Orion was the concurrent program. It aimed to put 150 people and a thousand tons of equipment on the Moon in 1966, at 1/10 of Apollo's cost. The next destination was Mars, to be reached by 1970 with the Moons of Jupiter for the next decade.
The difference was nuclear energy.

Orion would have been the antithesis of the "lightness at any cost" approach to aerospace construction. Weight might actually be an advantage in keeping acceleration to tolerable limits, and a massive steel armor structure was needed to cope with the shock and radiation. By the time of cancellation, the project managers had tentatively selected Electric Boat Company, a submarine builder rather than an aerospace firm, to construct the first Orion in its covered facility at Groton, Conn. The vehicle would have been built on a barge. This would have been launched in the usual manner, then towed to the tentative Orion launch site at Johnston Island in the Pacific.
Even today, if we absolutely, positively had to get a very large load (thousands of tons and hundreds of people) to the Moon or the planets in a reasonable time, and environmental factors were disregarded, Orion would be the way to do it.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 23:03 Comments || Top||

#50  An average specimen of granite generates enough heat from radioactive decay to vaporize itself in about 600,000 years if it were perfectly insulated.

Oh no!!! I'm getting irradiated every time I go into or through Yosemite Naitional Park!!!

a!!!!!!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 23:07 Comments || Top||

#51  Well, Bomb, I would recommend wearing a lead suit when you go there, except that lead is more radioactive than granite.

Buwahahahah!
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 23:21 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Thai elephants get potty training: report
Pictures and everything...
BANGKOK (AFP) - Having taught Thailand's elephants to paint, dance and play musical instruments, their Thai handlers are now toilet-training the beasts, media reported. Handlers -- known as mahouts -- have installed giant human-style toilets at a camp in the northern city of Chiang Mai to try to rid the tourist attraction of unsightly droppings, according to the Nation newspaper.
Giant toilets for Giant... droppings.
Some seven elephants at the privately run camp beside Chiang Mai Zoo are being trained to sit like a human on the giant white toilets, which can be flushed by pulling on a rope with a gentle tug of the trunk, said the daily.
And they flush too. I'm just...speechless...
It showed a picture of a five-year-old elephant named Diew testing out one of the oversized concrete toilets, which has been fitted with equally jumbo-sized plumbing. The elephants were reportedly rescued from the streets of Bangkok where people were using them to collect money from tourists.
Wonder if they leave the seat up?
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 4:17:55 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Elephant sewage system should end on Chirac's dinner table.
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 21:35 Comments || Top||

#2  When my dad was in high school in Sacramento, the coach got them jobs at the California State Fair. Dad's job was shovelling elephant dung. He said that they can generate A LOT of product. Heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 21:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Finally, a toilet I can be proud of.
Posted by: Al Bundy || 01/19/2005 22:42 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Policemen Awarded $2.4 million in California Beating Case
Two police officers involved in a videotaped beating of a black teenager that sparked nationwide outrage have been awarded $2.4 million by a Los Angeles jury that found they were unfairly disciplined. The larger jury award of $1.6 million went to Jeremy Morse who was fired from the Inglewood police force immediately after the 2002 incident in which he was captured on an amateur videotape slamming a 16 year-old onto a squad car and punching him in the jaw after a routine vehicle stop. The incident, shown repeatedly on nationwide television, had echoes of the infamous beating by four Los Angeles police of black motorist Rodney King that in 1992 sparked some of the worst urban rioting in U.S. history.

Morse, who is white, sued the mostly black city of Inglewood alleging he was disciplined unfairly because a black officer who was also at the scene, but never charged, was suspended for only five days. He claimed racial discrimination and on Tuesday was awarded the damages. Morse had been tried twice on assault charges but the jury deadlocked both times and prosecutors dropped the case a year ago. His partner, Bijan Darvish, was suspended for 10 days and later acquitted of filing a false police report over the incident. Darvish claimed his suspension was excessive and was awarded $811,000 damages. Inglewood Mayor Roosevelt Dorn was astonished by the verdict. "How do you give a man who was suspended for only 10 days more than $800,000? Morse was fired, but $1.6 million?" Dorn told the Los Angeles Times. Lawyer Paul Coble, who represented Inglewood in the case, said he would meet with city officials next week to consider appealing either the verdict or the size of the award.
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Chief Justice Refuses to Stop Inaugural Prayers
Hey, everybody! I'm back! ME!! Mike Newdow!!! It's ME again!
Chief Justice William Rehnquist rejected Wednesday an emergency request from a California atheist who sought to stop the recital of prayers at President Bush's inauguration.
A federal judge and a U.S. appeals court earlier ruled against atheist Michael Newdow. He is best known for trying unsuccessfully to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance that millions of U.S. schoolchildren recite every day.
Actually, he's becoming best known as the biggest egomaniacal asshole in America.
Newdow, a doctor-lawyer who is acting as his own attorney in the case, argued that clergy-led prayers at the inauguration Thursday would violate his constitutional rights. "As an atheist, he cannot in good conscience attend an exercise where his government forces him to endure religious dogma he finds highly disagreeable," Newdow wrote in his motion filed with the Supreme Court. "Newdow's rights of religious freedom should be protected."
Talking about himself in the third person. That's always a such a loveable quality in a person.
Newdow, who lives in Sacramento, California, said he would drop his plans to attend the inauguration if forced to confront the prayers by two Christian ministers.
OH, NO!!! NOT THAT!!!
Newdow also had suggested that Rehnquist, who plans to administer the oath of office to Bush at the inauguration, remove himself from considering his request. He said Rehnquist took part in the 2001 inauguration when prayers were included. In seeking Rehnquist's recusal, Newdow said the chief justice would feel "awkward" at the ceremony if he rules in Newdow's favor.
"George, can you have this guy taken for a ride in the Ghost Jet?"
"I'll see what I can do, Bill."

Although Rehnquist denied Newdow's request for an injunction, he still could ask another Supreme Court justice to stop the prayers.
Oh, I will! I'll show YOU!!! I'll show ALL of YOU!!!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 3:30:21 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This Newdow jerk needs to get a damned life already. Preferably one that keeps his contact with the government to an absolute minimum.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 17:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Soft foods -- or Bubba. His choice. Or he could STFU and quit trying to foment an utterly unecessary war. The self-aggrandizing little prick sure as hell doesn't speak for me - or anyone I know.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:45 Comments || Top||

#3 
Newdow ... who is acting as his own attorney in the case
And we all know that they say about that.... :-D
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/19/2005 18:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Magister Newdow? Caput tuum in podex est.
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 19:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Nice pic. Is that straitjacket that Newdow is wearing? How appropriate.
Posted by: GK || 01/19/2005 22:12 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Biden Tells Europe to Chill Out Over Elections
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., urged Europe to "get over" the fact President Bush was re-elected and work with the United States on common problems.
Too bad he didn't tell his own party the same...
"I spent a little time in Europe recently, and I have one simple message: Get over it. Get over it. President Bush is our president for the next four years, so get over it and start to act in your interest, Europe," Biden said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing to confirm U.S. Secretary of State nominee Condoleezza Rice. "But that requires us to engage in the hoped-for diplomacy from the gentle lady from Stanford." Rice was provost of Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif., before Bush tapped her to become national security adviser in 2000. Rice has vowed to work with Europe and other U.S. allies on issues, including Iraq. Trans-Atlantic relations were hurt following the U.S.-led decision to ignore Chirac invade Iraq.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 2:59:29 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I am all for open, honest, and productive bilateral relations. But these relations must be based on mutual trust and interests. We can work together if we establish a good basis for working. However, France has shown that it will work with our enemies against us, so the government should be considered an enemy, as far as diplomacy goes, until they get their act together, the first step of which is to dump Chiraq.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 18:56 Comments || Top||

#2  If even Biden is getting pithy with the Euros, they must really be obnoxious. They should never have put so many emotional chips on Kerry. What fools.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 01/19/2005 19:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Biden has nothing to lose. He won't be a presidential candidate, and it's unlikely he'll ever be sec'y of state, either. A free man, capable of speaking the truth.
Posted by: lex || 01/19/2005 19:17 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Al-Qaeda Starts Chick Magazine
I don't know if this is the third or fourth time we've seen an article on this?
Somehow, I don't think Vogue's too worried...
Al Qaeda has introduced an online women's magazine with articles including dietary advice for suicide bombers and tips on how to "dominate the passions" before blowing yourself up, according to Italy's SISDE secret service.
You mean al-Qaeda has a "no fat girls" rule? Who knew?
SISDE analysts disclosed the existence of Al Khansa, the unusual monthly Internet publication for female militants that is hosted by several Islamist Web sites, in the Italian spy service's quarterly review Gnosis. Khansa is a popular name for Arab women, recalling a 7th century female poet, Tumadir bint Amr, who was known by the sobriquet of Al Khansa — meaning "she who is illiterate because who wants a woman who can read?" "gazelle" or "snub-nosed 38 caliber" — because of her beauty and exquisite, petite nose. She became "the historic symbol of the woman warrior, and, at the same time, of all the mothers of the martyrs," according to SISDE, which is responsible for preventing terrorist reprisals against Italy's deployment of troops in Iraq. "If you want to read up on the latest model of hijab [veil] or abaija [tunic], don't let yourself be taken in by the rosy image on the front of Al Khansa,"
Damn, and I was so ready to cancel Cosmo!
the newspaper La Stampa of Turin quoted one SISDE analyst as saying. "Among the Web pages of this newly born female review in Arabic, you won't find the usual fashion features that fill the pages of ladies' magazines the world over, except for a section dedicated to fitness with advice on diet and training to follow so as to acquire not a catwalk waistline, but martyrdom in the holy war."
"Does this explosive belt make my butt look big?"
With its bizarre format including articles on "breathing gymnastics to conquer the passions," evidently essential knowledge for those tempted to have a final fling before strapping on an explosive-laden corset, Al Khansa could indicate that al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden has made a strategic choice in favor of "women's emancipation through martyrdom," according to the Gnosis report. "This is a turning point in the project planning of international terrorist networks, which until now, unlike in the Palestinian intifada or in Chechen nationalist extremism, were limited to the exclusive employment of men in operations," the SISDE analysts said.
Actually, I think it's a good sign that they're running out of men who want to kill themselves for nothing....
But, the Italian spy review said, it is not clear whether al Qaeda's call to arms for women represents "female emancipation,"
You gotta be kidding me....
or rather "a tactic to involve all components of the [Islamic community] in the global jihad." The enhanced role for women evidently reflects a sense that recruiting isn't going very well of urgency to drive foreign forces from Islamic territory, Gnosis concluded. It noted that as recently as May 2003, the influential Egyptian sheik Yussuf al-Qaradawi issued an edict blessing "aspiring [female] kamikazes for use in the interests of the holy war, freeing them of the duty of modesty and public invisibility."
Ok, then I got a question for the holy man.....So, as long as I blow up infidels, I can walk around in a thong bikini?
An aspiring female martyr, or "mujaheda," must learn the Koran by heart, have basic first aid training [and] be able to prepare an emergency kit "in which natural honey and water from the Zemzem spring at Mecca are indispensable since they flow directly from Paradise," Al Khansa advised.
I guess to help all the poor injured baby ducks, kittens and puppies....
A female militant must also "be content with what is strictly necessary, sending televisions and air conditioners to be burned."
Yeah, a MAN might want that stuff, you uppity broad!!
She should offer her own money for the cause and know how to shoot and "how to carry munitions on her shoulder," the Web site said. "This is obviously an 'emancipation' that is light-years distant from what the West means" by the word, the SISDE essay said. "The portrait of the new heroine is of a woman paladin suspended between stupidity and a shallow gene pool tradition and renewal, capable of protecting the family and the community against both outside aggression and the moral degeneration that insinuates its way inside society dominated by the 'corrupt' Saudi royal family." Al Qaeda's concept of emancipation does not extend to "the promiscuity of Arab television stations," SISDE's analysis added. Al Khansa considers "as a form of prostitution the presence of female announcers without burqas on the Saudi television network Al-Ekhbariya."
Those trampy little minxes!
In Al Khansa, the theorists of al Qaeda offer women "a path to reach freedom that would be denied in every other way — using the dominion of religion to oppose the dominion of men," the Italian secret service report said.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 2:32:20 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Best to let the ladies kill themselves. Reducing the number of females will have a more significant impact on their birth rates than culling the males.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 16:53 Comments || Top||

#2  DB - ROFL!!!

"Does this explosive belt make my butt look big?"

That was, prior to your adaptation, one of The Dreaded Questions, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Ah, yes, some of my friends' favorites. Although I do admit to the "What are you thinking about?" when my sweetie looks particularily lost in space. I think that's fair, especially if he's driving and just went through a stop sign. ;)

Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 17:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Heh - I though it had to be at least a Misdemeanor...

I know this stuff is older than sin, but it's still timely, here and there. You can answer this one for him, I'd bet.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:35 Comments || Top||

#5  The magazine will also have to feature articles about significant relationships with farm animals or it won't sell.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 19:00 Comments || Top||

#6  Still looking for the Beltsuit edition (similiar to Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition), females modeling the latest in suicide belt fashions. Something we can all get a bang outta, heh.
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 19:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Jeeze Louise! Learning the Koran by heart before she blows herself up. Now that will make you want to be a martyr just to get away from that. The first aid deal I do not understand, however. Unless a boomer screws up and wants a second chance at martyrdumb.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 19:31 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Global Poll Shows Negative Reaction to Bush Win
EFL. The BBC ran it, so who knew it would turn out like this?
A majority of people surveyed in a global poll think the re-election of George Bush has made the world more dangerous and many view Americans negatively as well, the BBC said Wednesday.
America: Nation of evil, fanatic, cowboy maniacs or semi-retarded monkeyboys? Or both? The BBC wants you to make the call world.
The survey by the British broadcaster showed that only three countries -- India, the Philippines and Poland -- out of 21 polled thought the world was safer following Bush's election win in November. Bush will be inaugurated for his second term Thursday.
In yours, world.
On average across all countries, 58 percent of the 22,000 surveyed said they believed Bush's re-election made the world more dangerous. "This is quite a grim picture for the U.S.," said Steven Kull, director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes at America's University of Maryland.
Oooooooh... grim. The Thought Police will be by to visit with you, Perfesser.
The survey found that 56 percent of Americans thought Bush's win was good for the world with 39 percent disagreeing.
That'd be a blowout if it were election results.
Traditional U.S. allies in western Europe, such as Britain (64 percent), France (75 percent), and Germany (77 percent), were among the most negative about Bush's re-election. A majority in Italy (54 percent) and Australia (61 percent), which both have troops in Iraq (news - web sites), also thought his win had made the world more dangerous. Anti-Bush sentiment was strongest in Turkey, with 82 percent thinking his win was bad for peace compared to just 6 percent in support. A large majority in Latin American countries, including 58 percent in close neighbor Mexico, were also negative.
Then don't come up here looking for work, amigos.
Analysts said the poll had far-reaching implications, suggesting a serious rise in anti-U.S. feeling in general, with 42 percent saying it had made them feel worse about Americans compared to 25 percent who made it think more of them.
Any names on your analysts? Just wondering.
"Our research makes very clear that the re-election of President Bush has further isolated America from the world."
Except when there's a tsunami or something. Then we're the first people they want to show up.
The survey found that 47 percent of those questioned now see U.S. influence in the world as largely negative. "Those saying the U.S. itself is having a clearly negative influence in the world still do not constitute a definitive world-wide majority, suggesting there may be some underlying openness to repairing relations with the U.S.," he said.
Gee, thanks. Let us know how much it's gonna cost us first though, okay?
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 2:31:45 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hmmm... I just ran a survey and found that I don't care what they think.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/19/2005 14:57 Comments || Top||

#2  The question here is how the poll was conducted. With a sample size averaging 200 per country, are the country numbers statistically significant? Did the BBC poll people until it got the result it wanted or was the poll a random sample? I think journalists, who are some of the stupidest and most ignorant people around, don't seem to understand that non-journalists have figured out that they are no longer simply reporting the news.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/19/2005 15:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Gee with all the positive press we are getting who would have thunk it.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 01/19/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#4  A majority of people surveyed in a global poll think the re-election of George Bush has made the world more dangerous..

For terrorists and tyrants, yes.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 15:21 Comments || Top||

#5  For terrorists and tyrants, yes.

Gosh, B-a-r, glancing at the roster of UN member nations, that's just about half of them.

You know, I'm starting to take unseemly pride that Bush's re-election is causing so much wailing and moaning.
Posted by: SteveS || 01/19/2005 15:35 Comments || Top||

#6  I'm with RC! I could care less about a eurostan poll. We had a poll on November 2, 2004 and George Bush won that, end of story.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 15:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Ok...here's my poll....I think Chirac is an idiot, Schroeder needs to learn how to make a marriage work, and Mexico needs to get it's average education level up to the third grade. Oh, and Turkey can go to hell. (Yeah, I know, it already has.....)
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 16:27 Comments || Top||

#8  "You know, I'm starting to take unseemly pride that Bush's re-election is causing so much wailing and moaning."

Flip that coin over onto the other side and imagine how shitty you'd feel if Kerry had won, and we now had to listen to the EUnuchs' smarmy bullshit about what a "wise" choice we'd made.

[*SHUDDER*]
Posted by: Dave D. || 01/19/2005 17:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Dave D. If Skerry had won it would be the same BS. The Anti-US non stop hate mongering of the all the worlds Press is astounding. Most of it is pure crap too. I has to do with the fact that most other countries need a wookie to look at because their own domestic situation is a total POS. The US makes a good distraction since we are so unlike anyplace else.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 17:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Global Poll Shows Negative Reaction to Bush Win

Tibor's Internal Poll Shows Negative Reaction to Rest of Globe (Australia, Britain, Poland and a few others excluded).
Posted by: Tibor || 01/19/2005 18:28 Comments || Top||

#11  Being right is more important than being loved. Why lower our sights to the levels of France, Germany, etc.?
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 19:23 Comments || Top||

#12  How many different ways do we need to say it before "the world" (read: BBC) realizes that WE DON'T GIVE A GOOD RAT'S ASS WHAT YOU THINK!

Get a life. Or better yet, dump socialism worldwide and get a future.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/19/2005 20:21 Comments || Top||

#13  I've taken my own little poll. M-1 Garand says, "Didn't I already shoot half those people?" Damn heavy competition AR-15 says, "You need to practice more. I like Blue Helmets." Mr. .45 was quiet and refused to answer. And Plinky the .22 just kept repeating "Kneecaps! Kneecaps!"

Frankly, I have no idea what their poll answers mean, but then, being a red-stater Imperialist Warmonger, I'm sure that their answers are more important to me than what a bunch of kooks from Eurostan say.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 01/19/2005 21:43 Comments || Top||


Europe
Euro's Demand; Planes for Prawns
TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry. While millions of Europeans are sending aid to Thailand to help its recovery, trade authorities in Brussels are demanding that Thai Airlines, its national carrier, pays £1.3 billion to buy its double-decker aircraft. The demand will come as a deep embarrassment to Peter Mandelson, the trade commissioner, whose officials started the negotiation before the disaster struck Thailand - killing tens of thousands of people and damaging its economy. While aid workers from across Europe are helping to rebuild Thai livelihoods, trade officials in Brussels are concluding a jets-for-prawns deal, which they had hoped to announce next month. As the world's largest producer of prawns, Thailand has become so efficient that its wares are half the price of those caught by Norway, the main producer of prawns for the EU. To ensure the Thais cannot compete, EU officials five years ago removed its shrimp industry from the EU's generalised system of preferential tariffs - designed to share Western wealth with developing countries by trade.
Well, we can't have them developing too much now, can we?
The EU has instead slapped a tariff of 12 per cent on its fish - three times that imposed on prawns from Malaysia, its neighbour. This is still less than the US tariff on Thai prawns: 97 per cent. The prawn tax is one in a series of protectionist measures expected to cost east Asia some £130 million each year - money being taken from its economies while EU citizens donate millions in charity. Five days after the tsunami struck, the EU legislated against Thailand by slapping a new tariff designed to extinguish its booming trade in cumarin, a plant extract used in perfume. On 31 December, the EU imposed duties of €3,480 (£2,430) a tonne for Thai exports of cumarin - a move entirely designed to protect Rhodia, a French chemicals firm and the EU's only producer of cumarin. Oxfam has attacked the tariffs, saying: "When countries are lying prostrate before us, it is criminal to continue to tax them on what they sell." Sri Lanka has already pleaded to be exempt from EU and US textiles tariffs as it tries to recover.
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#1  Am I the only one who suspects that the buy-Airbus-or-else extorsion deal was the original plan all along?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 01/19/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||

#2  The EU -- organized crime without the machine guns.
Posted by: Tom || 01/19/2005 14:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Buy our planes! You can use 'em for... paperweights or doostops!

To be fair, I saw a story that said the US is not suspending its shrimp tariff either...
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 14:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Am I the only one who suspects that the buy-Airbus-or-else extorsion deal was the original plan all along?

Hey, they gotta recoup the A380's $6.5B subsidy somehow...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 14:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Except I think our tariff is actually a tarrif.

If the Europeans aren't doing what I suggested, then they're offering to screw over their shrimping industry in order to help Airbus a little.

It's interesting, either way.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 01/19/2005 14:41 Comments || Top||

#6  This reminds me: The Royal Thai Navy has an operational aircraft carrier, albeit a very small one, which is more than can be said for any of the Continental EU powers.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 15:02 Comments || Top||

#7  TSUNAMI-struck Thailand has been told by the European Commission that it must buy six A380 Airbus aircraft if it wants to escape the tariffs against its fishing industry.

Now that is some real sennnnnnnnnnnnnsitivity for you. I would hope that the US strengthen its ties (no pun intended) with Thailand, and the rest of Asia to make a real market. This type of extortion REALLY sucks. Tying shrimp to Airbuses is a lousy way to do business.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#8  The Thais are not to be screwed with lightly. I recall a conversation from some 15 years ago when they were letting the contracts for a large petrochemical refinery down south on the peninsula. I was in the Hog's Breath Saloon in Nana Plaza (Bangkok) and the guy I was talking to (a VP for the primary contractor) laughed when I asked him how various firms were doing in the bidding on subcontracts. He pointed out that TotalFina, for example, had been invited to participate in the bidding for one reason: they had screwed over several Thai companies and even the Thai Oil Ministry a few years before. When I said I didn't understand, he laughed and said they would be "buying lunch". Further inquiry revealed that they would be expected to grease palms, throw lavish parties, fly some Officials and their spouses to Europe for some subsidized shopping, and a raft of other bribery schemes and, in the end, would be told in a style that is uniquely Thai: "Now the slate is clean. Please fuck off."

It was Chili Movie Sunday, for those who recall such minutia.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 15:23 Comments || Top||

#9  "The Thais are not to be screwed with lightly."

From what I saw of them in the military back in '70-'73, they are not to be screwed with, AT ALL. Ever. They can be truly nasty.
Posted by: Dave D. || 01/19/2005 15:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Lol, Dave - too true. The average Thai kids grow up in some, uh, tough neighborhoods, heh. Seems they are all prett good at muaythai by the time they hit their teens... and have seen (participated in) some hardcore shit, heh. I used to have a book for Westerners who want to do business in Thailand, I think it was titled "The ABC's of Doing Business in Thailand". A was for assassination. Think silvered aviator sunglasses, wearing a helmt, and packing a MAC-9 on the back of a motorcycle, heh. They're always sitting ducks in the traffic jams...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 15:50 Comments || Top||

#11  I am inclined to believe everything bad about the Euros but I would take this particular one with a grain of salt: journal tells about EU taxing Thai prawns in order to favour Norway but Norway isn't part of the EU. Think anti-euro journalist vecame over-zealous.
Posted by: JFM || 01/19/2005 16:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Correct me if I'm wrong, RB'ers, but I believe that Thailand was the one Southeast Asian country never colonized, and always independent. I recall one Thai lady who was quite proud of that. She was half my size and sweet as could be, but I wasn't gonna cross her if she got pissed off.....
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 16:38 Comments || Top||

#13  DB - Absolutely true. My friends told me that the philosophy was bend, but never break.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 17:05 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
shroud of turin older than tested? los alamos claims proof
Posted by: muck4doo || 01/19/2005 17:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Invisible re-weaving? Sounds like some one desperately wants this to be the actual burial shroud of Yeshua. Personally, I think there are a great number of people that want or need to find actual physical evidence that Yeshua, aka Jesus, really lived. The search for the Holy Grail is another. Since Christianity is based on faith that all that is depicted in the New Testament really happened and Jesus was who he said, I doubt very much if there will ever be actual physical evidence of this. He was the leader of a small but growing sect that threatened the status quo of the Jewish leadership. There was no reason for anyone to save either the burial shroud or the grail. If you need physical proof of what Jesus was all about you miss the point of his message and the whole reason for his existance. "If you have faith as the grain of a mustard seed you could move mountains."
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 19:52 Comments || Top||

#2  DB, while I agree with your points, it would be fascinating to learn the true origins of the shroud of turin. Not as confirmation of the truth, mind you.
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 20:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Generic Questions....

Would people be happy if it turned out to be the shroud of Ethel circa 1954? Many, in spite of the wisdom of avoiding it, will have an emotional investment in the outcome of such an investigation. Everyone enjoys (some crave) being told they're "right" - and few gracefully accept it when their notions are not confirmed.

I think there's great wisdom in DB's attitude - and I share CA's curiosity. I have no dog in the fight, so I see both in the positive. Should be fascinating, regardless.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 21:17 Comments || Top||

#4  I've always guessed it was a prop from one of the old passion plays. Wrap it around the star of the show during the performance and you'll get body oils in the fabric (and maybe a little blood, depending on how realistic they were) which'd oxidize over time and might serve to leave the traces people discovered. Not genuine, but not an intentional fake either. Be interesting to know the chemical composition of the marked areas relative to the rest.
Posted by: James || 01/19/2005 22:42 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Excerpts From The Rice Confirmation Hearings
The Ebb & Flow Institute takes a satirical look at the Senate comfirmation hearings of Dr. Condoleezza Rice.
Posted by: || 01/19/2005 1:52:38 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Something tells me that Dr. Rice is not the type of person that anyone would want mad at them...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 17:54 Comments || Top||

#2  Lol, well okay then...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 18:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Dr. Rice is a class act. She showed restraint in that she didn't not strangle Boxer. Boxer was grandstanding for the homeies. Same old tired Democratic cultural warfare.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 18:26 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Multiple blasts damage Indus river bridge
Multiple bomb blasts yesterday damaged a bridge over the Indus river, a vital source of water in parched southern Pakistan, police said. Unidentified attackers fixed explosives to the six pillars of the Jamshoro bridge, 170km north of Karachi, police officer Dost Ali Baloch told AFP. "It was quite powerful material which damaged the pillars of the bridge," he said, adding that a protective shield under the bridge averted major destruction. Experts were brought in to assess the damage but traffic was still passing over the bridge, he said.
However, buses were only allowed to carry an extra 40 people on their roofs, instead of the usual 60.
The Jamshoro bridge is on top of the last water barrage at the tail of the Indus river, which supplies much of Pakistan's irrigiation and drinking water needs. No organisation had claimed responsibility for the blast but the police said it was an "act of sheer terrorism."
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:57:42 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  With terror attacks in Israel & Iraq, plus daily news concerning the eventual showdown with nuclear, terrorist Iran, coupled with Syria-Lebanon, the last thing we need is additional problems in nuclear Pakistan.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 01/19/2005 1:32 Comments || Top||

#2  The terrorists almost destroyed the six pillars of Islam.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 2:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Are jihadi boyz running out of things to blow up? Kinda sounds like a professional deformation. Scratching the itch... Once a jihadi, always a jihadi.
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 2:40 Comments || Top||

#4  Multiple bomb blasts yesterday damaged a bridge over the Indus river, a vital source of water in parched southern Pakistan
That's smart. I like this!
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 6:55 Comments || Top||


3 air force officers court-martialled for links with militants
ISLAMABAD — Military courts have sentenced at least three Pakistan air force service men to prison terms ranging from two to nine years for alleged links to an outlawed militant group, relatives of the men said yesterday.
No F-16 flights for you boys!
The trials were not announced, but relatives said they had taken place on two southern air force bases between October and December of last year. Military trials in Pakistan are often shrouded in secrecy, and air force spokesman Air Commodore Sarfraz Ahmad would not confirm the court martials. Aslam Khattak, a former air force chief warrant officer and the father of one of the defendants, Nasruminallah Khattak, said the three airmen were charged with giving donations to the banned Sunni extremist group Jaish e-Mohammed, and of receiving small-arms training at the group's camp in Balakot, in northwestern Pakistan. He said his son was innocent.
"He's innocent! Pure as the driven snow!"
The younger Khattak, 18, was sentenced to two years in prison, as was Saeed Alam, 19. Another young airman, Munir Ahmed, was given a nine-year sentence, said Abdus Samad, Ahmed's brother. President Gen. Pervez Musharraf outlawed Jaishe Mohammed in 2001 as part of efforts to end extremism. The three young airmen whose cases came to light yesterday were not apparently involved in any of the attempts on Gen Musharraf's life.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:53:47 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No F-16 flights for you boys! That's probably a worse punishment for them than the actual jail time.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 5:59 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Iranian author faces death when deported from Australia: advocate
SYDNEY - An Iranian artist and democracy campaigner facing deportation from Australia as an illegal immigrant is likely to be killed if he is returned to his native country, a refugee advocacy group claimed on Wednesday. The group, Project SafeCom, said Ardeshir Gholipour, who has been in Australian detention centres for almost five years, attempted suicide after learning his bid for a humanitarian visa had been refused by Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone.

SafeCom spokesman Jack Smit said Gholipour was taken to hospital last Friday after overdosing on sleeping tablets at the Baxter detention centre in South Australia, but had since been returned to Baxter.

Gholipour, an author for democracy movements in Iran, arrived in Australia in March 2000 and was initially held at the Port Hedland detention centre in Western Australia. Smit said Gholipour had been imprisoned for 21 months from 1987 at the notorious Evin Prison in northern Teheran for distributing pamphlets on behalf of the Iran Freedom Movement, and also wrote articles for the Left Union for Democracy in Iran. He had participated in student demonstrations in Iran in July 1999 and subsequently fled the country in fear of his life.

"Mr Gholipour should have immediately gained asylum and protection when he arrived in Australia five years ago," Smit said. "Instead, and solely because he had the audacity to arrive on Australian shores unannounced and uninvited, Australia detained him.

"Now, through departmental blindness and stupidity, Amanda Vanstone has announced and informed him that he is to start packing his bags because she intends to deport him -- either willingly or forcibly.

"Mr Gholipour, if deported, certainly awaits reprisals, if not immediate killing, by the Mullahs for his eloquent work as a writer for the democracy movement in Iran."

A spokesman for Vanstone declined to comment about Gholipour saying: "We don't comment on individual cases."
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:51:29 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Kuwait seizes arms in capital suburb
KUWAIT — Police found a cache of hand grenades and munitions in a Kuwait City suburb yesterday, days after two deadly clashes between security forces and militants, security sources said. "About eight grenades, 10 detonators and a munitions box were found in Abdullah al-Salem suburb," one source said.
The bride wore white.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:46:51 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And in the Stateside suburbs people fuss if one of the neighbors has a hunting rifle.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 7:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Kuwaiti coppers seem pretty active lately.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Car Bomb Targets Aussie Embassy in Iraq
A car bomb exploded outside the cement blast barriers of the Australian Embassy in Baghdad on Wednesday, witnesses said. It was not immediately clear if there were any casualties. The blast rocked the capital around 7:00 a.m. and was followed about a half hour later by another explosion, which sent a column of black smoke rising above the eastern part of the city. There was no word on what caused that blast. Officials at the Australian Embassy could not immediately be reached. The embassy is located in Baghdad's central Jadiriyah neighborhood.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:45:16 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lots of noise and smoke, but no casualties, and the barriers weren't breached. Not exactly a success for the Lions of Islam.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 11:40 Comments || Top||

#2  It seems to me that the terrorists are going through men and materiel at a frantic pace before the elections. They are using up assets that will be harder and harder to replace. The key in this situation is the Allies' and Iraqis staying power to stay the course. More Iraqis will rat out cells. The bases for action for terrorists are diminishing, witness Fallujah, and now Mosul is being addressed. The tide is turning, but we have to keep the MSM and the LLL of the backs of our military so they can do their job.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 13:47 Comments || Top||


Great White North
E.U. Dependence Theory: Blame Canada
From the New Sisyphus blog, an anon Repub State Dept. type. Amusing and on-target.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/19/2005 12:43:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That was a fun read. Not sure if it's a fully developed theory, but what the hell - it hit the spot, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 1:13 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
US Pacific forces chief applauds Thailand for tsunami operations
From the Rantburg Diplomacy Desk:
The head of US armed forces in the Pacific region today visited Thailand with a message of thanks for the Thai government in allowing the US to use the Utapao airbase in the country's eastern province of Chonburi for regional tsunami relief efforts, while praising Thailand for its rapid response in helping survivors of last month's disaster. Adm. Thomas B. Fargo, Commander of the US Pacific Command, made his comments during talks with Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. In a meeting marked by each side praising and thanking the other, Mr. Thaksin expressed gratitude to Washington for the way it had provided immediate support for the Thai and regional relief efforts. He also reiterated that Thailand has no need of US financial support, but needs technical help to assist the survivors and draw up a national emergency management plan.
"Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister!"
"No, thank you, Admiral!"
Adm. Fargo, meanwhile, praised Thailand for the way in which it had searched for victims and helped those who survived the 26 December's disaster, noting that the government's response had been effective and rapid. He also thanked the government for allowing the US to use the Utapoa airbase as a centre from which to coordinate relief efforts in the region as a whole. Pledging Washington's backing for a tsunami warning system, he noted that the US was experienced in disaster management, and already had a tsunami warning system operating in Hawaii. At the same time, he promised close cooperation on training rescue workers in preparation for possible future disasters.
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 12:36:19 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wonder if AB ever worked at Utapao.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/19/2005 13:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Got booted for refusal to put little umbrellas in all the drinks
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 13:54 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Harvard Prex Sends Flowers to Fainting Prof
ScrappleFace
(2005-01-18) -- Harvard University President Lawrence Summers today sent a dozen roses to MIT biology professor Nancy Hopkins after she nearly fainted last week during Mr. Summers' remarks about potential biological differences between the sexes which might explain why fewer women succeed in science and math careers.

Ms. Hopkins told The New York Times, "When he started talking about innate differences in aptitude between men and women, I just couldn't breathe."

If she hadn't walked out of the conference, she said she "would have either blacked out or thrown up."

Mr. Summers expressed regret today that the female scientist was "hurt by my brutal suggestion that further research was needed to find reasons for the observable phenomenon of male dominance in science and math. I hope the dear lady can forgive me for bringing up such coarse subjects in mixed company. In the future, I shall show more sensitivity in the presence of the fairer sex."

Meanwhile, a spokesman from the National Organization for Women (NOW) decried the institutionalized bias against women in academia.

"The laboratory is like a football locker room at most Ivy League schools," said the unnamed NOW source. "The guy scientists think nothing of mocking each other by saying 'You research like a girl' or 'Careful with that mass spectrometer, you might break a fingernail.'"
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 12:25:12 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ROFLMAO!!! Oh shit!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 0:39 Comments || Top||

#2  .com ...love the software. It's kind of strange with the quips read in such a straight face manner. Looks like I'm going to need a mp3 player. Any recommendations?
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 0:44 Comments || Top||

#3  2b - MP3 player - on your 'puter? WinAmp - the free version. The add-on stuff is crap, heh. And if you have a firewall - don't let Winamp get out - doesn't need to.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 0:56 Comments || Top||

#4  scuse my ignorance - but I'm mp3 illiterate. I don't see how I could down load to my myfi. So...(and I'm too tired to read the instructions right now) it looks like I'm going to need an mp3 player if I want to take this on the go. Any insight would be appreciated
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 1:07 Comments || Top||

#5  do you burn cd's for mp3's? I always thought they had special little recording cards ...like a camera.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 1:10 Comments || Top||

#6  sorry..been doing a bit of reading - didn't mean to ask such a tedious question. :-)
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 1:14 Comments || Top||

#7  this is totally cool!! Thanks .com

I'm free! Free at last, free at last... blogosphere to go.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 1:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Well, I had to google myfi - so it's a portable XM radio... does it have storage of some sort for your MP3's? I don't see that in any of the Delphi models. If yours does, you need to figure out how it hooks up to your PC - then you can download your MP3's onto it. Sorry, but you're gonna have to break down and read your instructions, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 1:20 Comments || Top||

#9  no..I think you can only download XM programming...i'll get the instructions out to be sure..but I'm flaming out right now. Looks like I'm gonna need an mp3 :-)

Thanks for your help!!
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 1:24 Comments || Top||

#10  Ignoring the myfi for a moment, you can, indeed, burn music CD's - not necessarily with MP3 files. What you burn depends upon the player - what formats does it recognize. Most would not understand a directory of MP3's. Most burning software has the option to make a "music" CD and that would be a universal format for CD Players.

Okay, bringing the myfi back in - it sure doesn't play CDs! If anything, it hooks up by cable or InfraRed (IR) to your PC to manage what files you put on it - and one would hope it's a drag 'n drop to the device within Windows Explorer - but it might not be that straightforward. That's all I can offer without have your instructions to look at!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 1:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Its scary: Ott has been moving asymptotically closer to reality lately. This is indeed what feminist PC nonsense leads to. As a post-feminist myself, I deeply resent what today's feminists are working to do to the ability of women to function in the heterogeneous work world.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 6:38 Comments || Top||

#12  .com - thanks! I missed this last night as I nearly fell asleep in my chair.

I'm going to do some exploring today. It would be nice if the myfi could do it since I already own it, but maybe I can just download to CDs for use with regular CD player. This is pretty cool..though I have to admit much is lost without the graphics and yellow journalism. But - I have to feed it, so I can catch much of that then.

I'll let you know what happens :-)

Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 10:00 Comments || Top||

#13  The fine lines between Dilbert, ScrappleFace, and reality are beginning to fade.
Posted by: Tom || 01/19/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#14  Mr. Summers expressed regret today that the female scientist was "hurt by my brutal suggestion that further research was needed to find reasons for the observable phenomenon of male dominance in science and math. I hope the dear lady can forgive me for bringing up such coarse subjects in mixed company. In the future, I shall show more sensitivity in the presence of the fairer sex."

Some people just don't know when to shut up. His comments, ignorant of the effects of opinion and public discourse on the lives of women, are as indefensible as those of someone who ignores science completely so she won't have to face up to some uncomfortable facts.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 10:16 Comments || Top||

#15  Jules? It's ScrappleFace.
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 10:55 Comments || Top||

#16  Jules 187 & trailing wife:
Many say that it is a right brain /left brain issue among the sexes. There are neuropsychology
studies that support's the topic. I was eating Chinese food last week and a young (age6) chinese boy was in the restaurant with his hard working parent's. I remember Jiang when he was three- I would bring him in a truck or lego's. I had a friend for life! I asked Jiang to sit in the booth with me as I ate that 6 year old
new the square root of 169 = 13 ;12 X 12 = 144
5X 5 = 25 he even knew what pie r square was ****

What do you have to say about the Chinese and Math?

Andrea Jackson
Posted by: Andrea || 01/19/2005 11:45 Comments || Top||

#17  Earlier this week I raised the point that there was a time women were thought incapable ("scientifically") or running marathons. That "science" was challenged and, through defiance in the face of public ridicule, with training and a can-do attitude, disproven. Prejudice can frontload failure.

Since I am an individualist, I say let a person's talent and interests take her as far as she can go-and let small minds and prejudice be damned. If the science is disproven, then that's great. But if it is proven, it should be accepted, however uncomfortable that may make us.

As far as the Chinese and Math-I have no scientific genetic data to add. I would say it seems not unimportant that the Chinese culture (as well as some other cultures) exhalts educational excellence.
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 12:00 Comments || Top||

#18  Korora-I don't know ScrappleFace, but I am guessing from your comment that it's a tongue-in-cheek kinda website? That would make sense. As Rosanne RosannaDanna would say, "Never Mind".
:)
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 12:10 Comments || Top||

#19  Jules, "Axis of Weasels" came from Scrappleface. It's probably the best of the satire sites.
Posted by: Dishman || 01/19/2005 12:27 Comments || Top||

#20  Andrea,

Trailing Daughter woke us up at six a.m. (ugh!!) one Saturday morning when she was three, to demonstrate the commutative principle of multiplication, which she had just figured out ("2x3=6 and 3x2=6. Give me two fingers, Daddy, and I'll show you!"). Both girls had memorized the multiplication table through 25 and squares/square roots ditto, by first grade. Its what we used to do in the car as we tootled around town. (Mostly because I had refused to memorize any of that when I was a child, believing at that age that rote memorization was pedagogically unsound (yes, I was wrong in that instance, but the principle still holds -- and remember I was still in single digits.)) Your little friend Jiang neatly demonstrated the ability of small children to memorize vast amounts of what is -- to them -- totally useless information. Now, if he should start proving mathematical theorems, then I'll be impressed.

As for the Chinese/math thing, that's because non-native speakers can more easily grasp non-language based subjects, so that's where they tend to concentrate their efforts, at least for those coming from learning-focussed cultures. They also tend toward practical, career-oriented studies. My immigrant mother, who'd always wanted to study chemistry, instead became an Physical Therapist because she would be self supporting with only a BS, instead of the PhD chemistry requires.

As for the physiological brain differences between the sexes, that is indeed a real tendency, but not an absolute. The many female engineers out there demonstrate that! Not to mention the growing number of young house-husbands whose wives more capably bring home the bacon, and the numerous male writers and poets.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 12:36 Comments || Top||

#21  And Peggy sez, "You talkin' to me, Summers, you scrawney little punk?"
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:48 Comments || Top||

#22  Whoa. I wouldn't mess with that....chick. :)
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 12:52 Comments || Top||

#23  This story was SO comical. A Professor was so stunned about the speech that she ran out crying like a little GIRL! Only because the speaker had the audacity to point out an obvious fact and tried to spark debate? So glad I do have her for an instructor, she sounds too emotional and I might make her cry.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 13:12 Comments || Top||

#24  Jules # 17 you are correct in your response.
You can re-think /train ones mind to be creative
or analytical. It can be hard work for some, but it can be achieved. I had a female chemistry professor at the private highschool that I had attended- she was a WIZ...also have had female
math and computer science professor's- they all knew their material. Let knowledge and skill prevail NOT gender ***

Andrea Jackson
Posted by: Andrea || 01/19/2005 18:47 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Suspected Islamic militants fire on Thai school bus
Two children have been shot and seriously wounded in an attack on a school bus in Thailand's southern town of Pattani yesterday, causing widespread concern among the local population. The two wounded boys are being treated at Somdej Pra Yuparaj Hospital in Saiburi District. There were 24 children ranging from kindergarten to high school students on the bus when the unknown gunmen attacked. "We need to review our safety procedures for school buses after this incident. More security forces may be needed to guard school buses from now on," said Mrs. Areerat, the Deputy Secretary-General of the Office of the Basic Education Commission.
No, you need to review your procedures for dealing with Allenist nutjobs.
The shooting came after the deaths of three people in separate, insurgency-related incidents over the past few days. Among the dead was a senior teacher who was gunned down by suspected militants on Monday. Meanwhile, Wimol Chankaew, director of the Pattani Educational Office, said schools across the province would carry on as usual despite the attack. "School buses have been operated by villagers who make private contracts with parents. Yesterday, when the bus came under attack, students were told to lie down on the bus floor. But two of them were hit. It was really shocking as the targets were children," he said.
He hasn't been reading Rantburg.
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 12:19:09 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  big tough guys shooting at un-armed children.......disgusting nutless wonders.
Posted by: Jarhead || 01/19/2005 13:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Lions of Islam - terrors of the women, children, and infirm!
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 13:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Or it could've been, uh, um, er, *scratches head* who else would shoot at a school bus?

Nobody. No other ideology or belief system I've ever encountered would countenance such as thing. Only Islam.

And I have no doubt the thought that this was an act of barbarism never occurred to them and they are, in fact, proud of it.

Pity those who couldn't attend the festivities... in Henry V's words, they must now "hold their manhoods cheap", longing for the next heroic adventure.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 13:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Either the so-called "moderate Islamists" exterminate the evil 1/3 within it, or the rest of the world will do so.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||


Notorious bandit killed in Basilan raid
The headline sez he was bumped off, the text sez he was nabbed. Maybe they nabbed him and then bumped him off?
JOINT military-police operatives raided last Monday the hideout of a notorious Abu Sayyaf bandit in Isabela, Basilan province and arrested a suspect who was implicated in the 2001 mass kidnapping of 19 vacation-goers, including foreigners at the posh Dos Palmas resort in Palawan. Southcom spokesman Colonel Domingo Tutaan revealed to Sun.Star Zamboanga the identity of the Abu Sayyaf suspect as Ysmael Jakur, a native of the island province. Tutaan said Jakur had a standing warrant of arrest issued by the Basilan Regional Trial Court (RTC) Branch 2, under Judge Danilo Bucoy for kidnapping and serious illegal detention in connection with the Dos Palmas kidnapping that included among its victims the three Americans, namely, Christian missionary couple Martin and Gracia Burnham and countryman Guillermo Sobrero.

Tutaan said Jakur had been under surveillance by the operatives in the island under 103rd Army Brigade commander Colonel Raymundo Ferrer. Tutaan said the suspect was already turned over to the Philippine National Police (PNP) authorities in Basilan. "He was linked in the 2001 Dos Palmas kidnapping perpetrated by the ASG. He was arrested at 9:30 a.m., last Monday, on the strength of an existing warrant of arrest issued by the Basilan court under Criminal Case No. 3537-1129," Tutaan disclosed. Jakur's arrest came following the fall into the military hands of another notorious Abu Sayyaf bandit identified as Ustadz Namier Jamir, in Jolo, Sulu, last Saturday.

Jamir, who reportedly ranked No. 9 in the Abu Sayyaf hierarchy, was involved in several past kidnappings and other crimes in the region. He was said to be among the original founders of the ASG, along with its first leader Abdurajak Janjalani, who was killed in the l998 shootout with the police forces in Maluso, Basilan. Janjalani's younger brother, Khadaffy, took over the overall leadership, following the older Janjalani's demise, and has strengthened their ties with the Al-Qaeda Network in recent years. Jakur could be among those sentenced in absentia by the Basilan court after they were prosecuted for their involvement in past kidnappings in the region late in 2004, a DOJ source told Sun.Star Zamboanga Tuesday. Among the 19 sentenced to death & life imprisonment by the court in the island, at-least five remain at-large and are the subject of a continuous police-military manhunt.
I checked some other Philippine news outlets and they say he's been jugged. Currently undergoing "tactical interrogation".
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Africa: Horn
Police arrest suspected al-Qaeda, GIA member
Police officers yesterday arrested a suspected terrorist in Mombasa. Detectives arrested the suspect at Likoni in South Coast, where he has been living after arriving in Kenya from Yemen one month ago. The suspect, sources said, was being hidden by some people in Likoni at a place where suspected terrorists were believed to have hidden before they bombed the Paradise Hotel in Kikambala in 2002. The suspect is a Yemeni, police sources said.

Last month, a former Algerian army man was arrested in Kwale on suspicion he was a terrorist. The Islamic teacher was arrested by the Anti-Terrorist Police Unit on suspicion he had been communicating with one of the most wanted terrorists, Harun Faizul. Police also suspected that the teacher, who is the principal of Islamic Centre at Waa, was a member of Armed Islamic Group who fled Algeria in 1991 after the Government outlawed the Islamic Salvation Front. Police suspected that Haji who stays in Mombasa's Old Town is a member of the Osama Bin Laden-led Al Qaeda. Haji was, however, released from custody after he successfully applied for it. But since his release in December, police are yet to return his work permit and passport and other documents. The man who has been in Kenya for 10 years is married to a local and claimed that even the Algerian Embassy had confirmed he is not a wanted man in Algeria.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/19/2005 12:01:53 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


Africa: Subsaharan
Strategypage's Crystal Ball seems to be working
January 19, 2005: On January 13 Mark Thatcher, son of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, pled guilty to helping plot and finance a coup in Equatorial Guinea. Thatcher was fined $500,000, in lieu of a jail term. Thatcher was arrested in South Africa August 2004. Prosecutors said the Thatcher and his group intended to topple Equatorial Guinea's long-time dictator, Teodoro Obiang Nguema. In March 2004 Equatorial Guinea arrested 15 allegeded mercenaries inside the country and claimed the 15 were "an advance group." 60 more men allegedly connected to the conspiracy (a follow-on force?) were arrested in the Zimbabwe. Equatorial Guinea is one of the bleakest spots in sub-Saharan Africa. The government is corrupt and cruel. The dictator has been accused of cannibalism (no kidding). The country now has large oil reserves --which means more money for the elites. This is a round about way of saying Equatorial Guinea needs a change in government. However, it is unclear who was behind the coup that Thatcher helped finance. No doubt this is a huge embarrassment for his family and particular his mother. There is also this sidelight: Equatorial Guinea has fascinated mercenaries and adventurers for years. The miserable, fictional West African country of Zamboanga in Frederick Forsythe's novel THE DOGS OF WAR --where a small band of mercs topples a corrupt dictator-- is based on Equatorial Guinea. In Forsythe's book, however, the mercs pull it off. (Austin Bay)

Equatorial Guinea was a poor, and thinly populated (600,000 people), tropical dictatorship, when oil was discovered in the 1990s. By 1997, $100 million a year in oil revenue was coming in, which doubled the nations GDP. Oil revenue has since expanded five time, and most people are as poor as ever. Only a few percent of the population benefits from the oil income. President (for life, and since 1979 when he deposed his uncle) Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo rules by offering potential opponents the carrot (money) or the stick (jail or death.) There are only about 1,200 people in the armed forces, and another thousand police and security agents. All well taken care of. Generous payments are made for information about any threats to the government, and several attempted coups have been short circuited by these arrangements.

Did somebody say "Coup"?
CONAKRY (Reuters) - Soldiers in Guinea ramped up security in the capital Conakry on Wednesday after unconfirmed reports of an attempt to oust ailing President Lansana Conte, witnesses and diplomats said. "We have been told that around 11 o'clock (1100 GMT) this morning men in military uniform tried to attack Conte," said a senior Western diplomat in the capital, Conakry. Conte, a diabetic chain-smoker who is rarely seen in public, has ruled the former French colony since seizing power in a 1984 coup but there have been growing concerns about his health. A second diplomatic source said gunshots had been heard in a Conakry neighborhood as Conte's convoy passed through earlier in the day. "President Conte was not hit," he said.

Guinea, which holds a third of the world's known bauxite reserves, the raw material used to make aluminum, has long been seen as a bulwark against instability in neighboring Sierra Leone and Liberia, and more recently Ivory Coast. However analysts say there is no obvious successor to Conte and they fear his death may spark a violent scramble for power in the West African country. Guinea has been shaken by riots in several towns in recent months over price rises for items such as rice and electricity.

Witnesses said members of the presidential guard, known as the Red Berets, were stopping cars around Conte's palace and had told residents and workers in a nearby hospital to leave the immediate area. "The presidential guard are searching cars and given that they are Conte loyalists, it would seem that they have put down any attempt," the Western diplomat said. The second source said soldiers were also rounding up people in other parts of the coastal capital. A change in the constitution in 2001 allowed Conte to run for a third term in 2003. He won a landslide victory after the opposition boycotted the poll saying it would not be fair. Conte, who says he was born around 1934 and has been treated abroad for illness in the past two years, voted in the December poll by handing his ballot from his Toyota Land Cruiser.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 1:18:09 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Prosecutors said the Thatcher and his group intended to topple Equatorial Guinea's long-time dictator, Teodoro Obiang Nguema.

Seems like I got an e-mail from his wife (the queen) recently wanting to give me millions! Who knew Thatcher was behind it all? (/sarcasm off/)
Posted by: BA || 01/19/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Al-Qaeda planned limousine attack
A new security threat has emerged as Washington gears up for an extravaganza to swear in president George Bush for a second term - limousines containing bombs. US intelligence sources admit the fears were partially prompted by a 39-page document seized from al Qaida. The paper details a mechanism for using limousines to deliver bombs equipped with cylinders of a flammable gas, according to Time magazine. Bombs can be concealed in limos because the vehicles "blend in" and "do not require special driving skills", it says.

The paper, titled Rough Presentation for Gas Limo Protection, is thought to have been written by Issa al-Hindi, an al Qaida operative captured in Britain last year. It details how limos can access underground parking structures and "have tinted windows that can hide an improvised explosive device." Although the fast approaching inauguration is not specifically mentioned, it is understood to suggest the deployment of three limos, each carrying 12 or more compressed-gas cylinders to create a "full fuel-air explosion". The cylinders should be painted yellow to falsely "signify toxic gases to spread terror and chaos when emergency and haz-mat teams arrive" it reads. Parts of the document began circulating among US intelligence authorities earlier this month.
And have been trumpeted incessantly on local news for the past two weeks...
And with hundreds of limos expected to block the capital's streets this week,
Don't remind me...
barriers have reportedly been set up to block any potentially-destructive vehicle.
Completely irrelevant Bush-bashing snipped with extreme prejudice.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 01/19/2005 11:56:48 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Post-Modern Warfare
Stephen Green, the Vodkapundit, has some thoughts:
We call the French "cheese-eating surrender monkeys." The Germans, for all their fearsome reputation, haven't thrown a winning war since 1870. It took Italy two wars before it could beat godforsaken Ethiopia. Poland owes its national existence to the kindness of strangers negotiating around a Versailles conference table. The last time the Spanish won a war, they were fighting each other — and so ineptly that the damnable, sad affair was half-fought by foreigners.

But make no mistake: The Europeans are good at killing. Revolutionary France started the first modern revolution in warfare by inventing the mass army of conscription. A Brit, James Puckle, invented the machine gun. Put the two together, and you get the First World War — global war and "total war" being two other European gifts to the world, wrapped into one shiny little conflict.

From tanks to civilian bombing to Hitler's ovens, Europe has given the world more ways to kill more numbers of people than probably any other continent. In fact, Europeans named Lenin and Hitler invented those killing machines we call "totalitarian states."

Not that each and every one of those items is a bad thing. Were it not for the tank, Europe might still be fighting on the Western Front, nearly 91 years after the Great War started. Civilian bombing certainly shortened that war's popular 1939 sequel. Despite some local atrocities, it's hard to argue that European colonialism wasn't more civil for western Africa and the Middle East than the local governments they have in those places today. And how did European nations become global empires? In no small measure because of their talents for killing.

Anyway, that's what popped into my head after reading the most recent post here by Will Collier. After reading an article showing that the Netherlands (former owners of Indonesia, one of the world's largest Muslim nations) could be majority-Islamic fairly shortly, Will said:

What happens 20 or 30 years from now, when demographic trends could well result in "minority-majority" (or even outright majority) status for the Islamic cohort in western Europe? If they're faced with the options of dhimmitude or flight, where will the native Europeans flee to?
Why, here, of course.


What Will left out is the third option. If somewhere down the road the worst should come to worst, Europeans could always stay home and fight. And don't think they couldn't.

Problem is, the fight wouldn't be the pretty kind where you see a few bold arrows drawn on the map, confidently slicing through history and the enemy lines. We're not talking Desert Storm here, which you could draw with five arrows and lasted only 96 hours. We're not even talking about the Liberation of France in 1944, which took slightly more arrows and just six weeks. Oh, no.

We'd be talking about city fighting. But not the kind of city fighting you saw in Saving Private Ryan, where the likeable, well-trained and battle-hardened soldiers could call in an air strike just when all seemed lost. Thanks to modern Europe finally putting "ain't gonna study war no more" into nearly full effect, they hardly have any battle-hardened soldiers. They hardly have any soldiers left at all.

The city fighting we'd see in Europe would look like what we saw in Sarajevo ten years ago. You know, ragtag bands of men with no uniforms, stolen weapons, and a desire to kill anybody who looked Muslim (or on the Muslim side, European). Holland and Denmark would fare worst. They're both tiny, both have very high (and increasing) Muslim populations, and neither country has much of a modern military tradition. In this worst-case scenario, the likelihood of ethnic mob rule ala Bosnia seems high.

Want to take the worst-case a little further? Both countries border Germany, which might feel the very legitimate need to march in to restore Ordnung. I think we all know what usually happens once the Germans start goose-stepping through their smaller neighbors.

No, the result wouldn't be World War III (or V?). But Europe could very well become Bosnia on a continental scale, with all the devastation, mass graves, and ethnic cleansing that implies. You can bet, at best, there would be a whole lot of people put at gunpoint onto refugee boats bound for North Africa and the Levant. Assuming, of course, the Europeans win in such a scenario. If not, the poor refugees would speak languages much like our own, and be bound for our own shores — just like Will suggested.

Me, though, I'd put my money on the Europeans winning a war of mass, mechanized murder.

After all, they invented it.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 11:49:02 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stephen Green said: Me, though, I'd put my money on the Europeans winning a war of mass, mechanized murder.

After all, they invented it.


...war of mass, mechanized murder??? Sounds like self-defense to me.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:03 Comments || Top||

#2  One quibble: I thought the American Hiram Maixm invented the machine gun, not this Puckle guy (who?!). As the story goes he was famously advised that, to make a guaranteed fortune, all he needed to do was to create something that would help Europeans kill each other in greater numbers. Duly enough, both sides used Maxims during WWI. Did Puckle invent a precursor? Da Vinci doodled multi-barrelled guns way back...
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 12:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Dr Gatling had a little to do with it, IIRC.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:15 Comments || Top||

#4  I wondered about the inventor of the machine gun also.

Looked it up on the web and the following was obtained: The idea of a gun that would keep up a continuous stream of fire attracted inventors early in the development of firearms. In 1718 James Puckle invented what he called his Defence Gun. Placed on a tripod it was a large revolver with a cylinder behind its single barrel. Although the cylinder had to be turned manually it could fire 63 shots in seven minutes.

This would not be a machine gun as one thinks of it. Gatlin may have been the inventor of the machine gun around the time of the civil war.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Interestingly, Gatlin was a dentist.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:18 Comments || Top||

#6  "Europe could very well become Bosnia on a continental scale, with all the devastation, mass graves, and ethnic cleansing that implies"

What a chilling thought and exactly on the mark.
Posted by: TomAnon || 01/19/2005 12:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Sorry - didn't mean to muddle things. Gatling made the first acceptable version of Puckle's idea, but it was not what is considered today as a machine gun.

BD's spot-on. Maxim invented the first true machine gun, was rebuffed in the US, and trotted his invention over to Europe, where there was business as there was some sort of conflict in progress. The Maxim Gun was the first. Green's being a bit obtuse - and lazy - methinks he just googled a bit and slapped the first item that appeared to fit his point into his piece - without really finding out the history of it. Not an egregious error except in the confusion sewn, heh.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:27 Comments || Top||

#8  This article is scarry enough to have us look at our own immigration policy. The exodus from these Muslim backwaters to the civilized countries will undoubtedly lead to collapses in the democratic fundamentals these countries pride themselves on. Look at demographics the Muslims are breeding and spreading exponentially. We can't allow anymore into Europe and the US. Lord know's we don't know what to do with the ones we've got.
Posted by: Rightwing || 01/19/2005 12:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Liberal leftish immigration policies--you reap what you sow dhimmis.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Over time, the US has discovered that there are three distinct generations that follow a wave of immigrants, with two possible outcomes. The two variants are based on whether it is *demanded* of the immigrants that they integrate, or not. The first generation are strangers in a strange land, speaking a strange language and willing to work at low-paying jobs while behaving themselves. The second generation are half in-half out: they are troublesome, forming mafias and gangs, and are neither part of the old world or the new. The third generation is either fully part of the new country, if they have been forced to integrate; or ghetto-ized and stuck in a second-generation pattern if they have not been integrated. Therefore, we can look to Europe to have different outcomes, depending on what policies are *now* in place. The Dutch want to force integration; whereas others are more concerned with encouraging outsiders to "preserve their cultural identity", even if it keeps them segregated and poor. A third, unfortunate pattern is suggested, and that is of "ethnic cleansing", conducted by their hosts. Ironically, it would be the 'liberal' treatment of such immigrants now, that would eventually result in this horror being visited upon them later.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 13:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Sorry, but why should I care about France or Germany or Belgium. It really is their choice, to die or live as Moslem slaves.

Holland, (if it succeeds at intergration) may be different.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:21 Comments || Top||

#12  a typo above: integration

That requires learning and using the language of the country you live in, ESPECIALLY in all religious venues.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:23 Comments || Top||

#13  It is entirely possible that the Muslim immigrants will integrate into the society. Anonymoose spells out the different possibilities quite well.

I just returned from Ankara Turkey. What I saw was a modern country that happened to have a majority Muslim population. I saw attractive women dressed to show their curves, plenty of people in bars, women driving and billboards with women's undie ads. The people I spoke to had no interest in living life under Sharia. All said they would fight to preserve their secular state. It was an eye opener for me.

That said, this was Turkey and if the immigrants to Europe are mostly Arabs, then the issue of sharia for them could be quite different.
Posted by: Remoteman || 01/19/2005 14:42 Comments || Top||

#14  American Rifleman had an article on the Puckle gun 5-10 years ago. If I remember correctly, it was a big revolver (2-3 inch bore?) that had interchangeable cylinders, so that you could continue firing while assistants reloaded the extra cylinders. The ammo was a type of canister shot, it came in "round shot for use against christians or square shot (cubes) against the Turks."
Posted by: Anonymous5765 || 01/19/2005 15:01 Comments || Top||

#15  Sorry - didn't mean to muddle things. Gatling made the first acceptable version of Puckle's idea, but it was not what is considered today as a machine gun. BD's spot-on. Maxim invented the first true machine gun

I was under the impression (with no dates to hand) that Browning inventing the first gas-driven automatic (Gatling being a mechanical multi-barrel repeater) that was referred to as a 'potato-digger' by the troops for the flap on the front of the weapon that would dig a hole in the ground (or body part) that happened to be underneath the barrel when it was fired. This weapon would have been carried into the Spanish-American War and was replaced by the water-cooled .30 for WWI and would have been the precursor to the recoil operated (I just realized that I am not for certain) Ma Deuce (may she live forever).

But it should be fun to watch the fireworks when the Euros finally realize that the Moorish invasions of the past millenia have finally had success and they find themselves in a close in knife-fight to the finish. Get the popcorn. Maybe we could make some cash on sniper-tourism . . . here's 50 rounds and a BMG, make good use of your time in Amsterdam . . .
Posted by: Jame Retief || 01/19/2005 15:04 Comments || Top||

#16  Despite some local atrocities, it's hard to argue that European colonialism wasn't more civil for western Africa and the Middle East than the local governments they have in those places today. And how did European nations become global empires? In no small measure because of their talents for killing.

And now the residents of those former colonies are moving back to the old colonial powers. Colonialism in reverse.
Posted by: eLarson || 01/19/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#17  Jamie:

Hiram Maxim invented the recoil-operated MG. The first Maxim predated both the "Potato Digger" (designed by John Browning, but which was gas operated) and Browning's later recoil-operated design (the ancestor of Ma Deuce) by several years--other than that, I believe you've got the history pretty right.

Spanish-American War buffs note: the "Potato Digger" makes a cameo appearance, along with the Krag-Jorgensen rifle and a lovely matte painting of armoured cruiser USS Brooklyn in the classic rip-snorting adventure movie The Wind and the Lion.
Posted by: Mike || 01/19/2005 15:25 Comments || Top||

#18  JR, the Maxim gun, which was recoil operated, predates the potato-digger.
The real revolution in European killing power was brought about by Krupp's introduction of the steel breech-loading cannon in the 1860s. Early models were accident-prone but the kinks were worked out at the cost of a few hundred dead gunners and the weapons were decisive in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71. This was fortunate for the Prussians and their German allies, because the French had both a superior rifle (the Chassepot vs. the Dreyse "needle-gun") as well as a primitive machine-gun, the Mitralleuse. Like the Gatling gun, the latter was externally-powered and therefore not a true machine-gun. It could be lethal though. Its great weakness was that it was carriage-mounted and deployed in batteries like artillery. German artillerymen were able to spot them at great range and demolish the batteries with their quick-firing Krupp guns.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 15:30 Comments || Top||

#19  "The first Maxim predated both the "Potato Digger"

Gee, Mike, great minds think alike and so do we apparently.

As an addendum, the Krupp field-guns of 1870-71 had more in common with present-day artillery than with the bronze smooth-bores that still equipped most armies at the time. The biggest conceptual difference is the early breechloaders' lack of a hydro-pneumatic recoil mechanism, an invention credited to the French a few years later.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 15:35 Comments || Top||

#20  I've been reading up on the Franco-Prussian war recently, from William Manchester's The Arms of Krupp and several other sources.
One of the striking things about this period, frankly, is the stupidity and callousness of military tactics at the time. As in the American Civil War a few years earlier, commanders lined their brightly uniformed troops up shoulder to shoulder just as they would have at Waterloo. Manchester describes how the Prussian infantry kept their distance while the Krupp guns massacred the conveniently conspicuous French ranks.
Tactics didn't really catch up to firepower until the final stages of World War I, when the allies introduced tanks and the Germans their innovative storm-trooper tactics (not to be confused with the later Nazi gangs of the same name).
In the meantime, millions were slaughtered by artillery and machine-guns.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 15:43 Comments || Top||

#21  The frightening this is I believe the article. Bosnia and Croatia were lovely, civilized places before Tito died and the idiots took over.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 15:56 Comments || Top||

#22  The article's dopey. The likely responses to muslim violence and increasing share of the population will be, first, state-driven corporatist-style co-optation attempts, with separate state institutions headed by "well-behaved" muslim leaders (cf Sarkozy's proposals in France). When these fail, you will see a public backlash against immigration and heightened police/judicial powers to detain and deport, which, combined with the demographic catastrophe, would deprive the euro economies of one of the greatest drivers of economic growth, a growing domestic consumer market. France already has accorded such powers to its judges and police; Germany is moving in that direction and Holland and Spain will soon follow.

When the effects of this are felt-- ie when eurozone growth slumps to close to zero, or actually slides into negative territory-- you'll see the third phase: relaxed immgration for educated Chinese and other Asian immigrants. The smartest policy would be to skip phases I and II and bring the Chinese and Indians into Europe now.
Posted by: lex || 01/19/2005 16:35 Comments || Top||

#23  I believe that something like this can, and probably will, happen here.

Rank and file lefties are mostly middle class fantasy-ideologues and status-seekers. With the exception of certain committed cadres, this group has have little capacity for sustained violence.

Their allies in the burgeoning Muslim gangs do, however. Keep in mind that average lefty or associated terror-sympathizers do not see the media as being on their side.
They are likely to interpret media soft-peddling (as in the NJ murders) as a sign of weakness in the larger society and a green light for further atrocities.

Beyond that, the middle class radical culture has forged many links and de facto alliances with violent groups. These now include white supremacist groups as well as minority racist elements like the Black Panthers and MECHA. Criminal opportunists, especially the drug culture and its violent gangs, may be expected to join this alliance.
Shielded behind the pop-left's media license, this alliance will grow in power and numbers, and its atrocities will multiply, until the pressure becomes unbearable and the larger society lashes out in an uncontrollable sequence of reprisals.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 16:36 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Philippine troops capture Abu Sayyaf infirmary
Army troops overran an Abu Sayyaf camp in the hinterlands of Palimbang, Sultan Kudarat, the military reported on Tuesday. Col. Alfredo Cayton, commander of the Army's 601st Brigade, said troops pursuing the 60-man band of Abu Sayyaf No. 2 man, Isnilon Hapilon, came upon the bandits' lair in Ba­rangay Butril, used as an infirmary for wounded comrades. He said the bandits had apparently fled when the soldiers reached the camp, which was made of bunkhouses and trenches. Troops found rolls of bandage, medical packs and other medical paraphernalia at the camp.
And a big pile of soiled shorts.
Pursuit operations are ongoing against Hapilon and his second-in-command, the foreign-trained terrorist Omar Janjalani, who had both been reported as among the 12 bandits either killed or wounded in a clash on January 7 with police agents and Army soldiers in Barangay Lomitan in Palimbang. The joint police-Army offensive under Cayton and Chief Supt. Antonio Billones, Central Mindanao police chief, was launched in response to the series of Abu Sayyaf attacks in December that left at least six villagers dead and thousands fleeing their houses. "There's no letup in the hunt for the bandits. Other units are looking for the bodies of Ha­pilon and Janjalani," Billones told The Times.
Go check behind the deserted factory down by the docks. Right around 3 in the morning. Tell 'em Steve sent ya.
I'll be very happy to hear that Isnilon is decomposing...
Two of the Abu Sayyaf's top leaders, the brothers Bedis and Alo Binago, were also killed in the clash on January 7, sparking retaliatory attacks two days later by some 600 fighters of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in Mamasapano and Shariff Aguak towns in Maguindanao. Seven soldiers were killed when the rebels, led by one Abdul Wahid Tunkod, deputy of Umbra Cuta or Ameril Umbra, overran two Army outposts in Barangays Linantangang in Mamasapano, and Labo-Labo in Shariff Aguak. The military responded with mortar fire and air strikes, killing more than 50 Moro fighters in the biggest and bloodiest encounter since the two sides forged a cease-fire in 2002 ahead of peace talks aimed at ending more than 25 years of separatist insurgency in the south.
Guess it got un-forged...they're apparently beating the plowshares back into swords.
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 1:13:54 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: WoT
L.A. Times -- Dirty Bomb in Boston?
key new info

Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, in Washington for inaugural festivities, returned to the state after he heard the news....

None [of the suspects whose names have been released] had been listed on previous government "watch lists," the release said.

Authorities did not believe that the individuals were in Boston, according to Romney's spokesman, Eric Fehrnstrom. Unconfirmed news reports indicated that the four had entered the country from Mexico through a San Diego area border crossing. Jan Caldwell, a spokeswoman for the San Diego FBI office, declined to comment on the specifics, but did say that the agency receives "thousands" of threats every day; this one, she said, is being probed like all others. This threat received so much attention because it was leaked to the news media, said Caldwell.

Federal and state officials stressed that the information was of "unknown reliability," and that law enforcement agencies were working together to assess any threat.
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Detainees Can't Challenge Confinement
A federal judge threw out a lawsuit Wednesday by foreign-born terror suspects challenging their detention in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ruling that last year's landmark Supreme Court ruling did not provide them the legal basis to win their freedom.

U.S. District Judge Richard Leon ruled that Congress had authorized the president to order the detention of "enemy combatants" for the duration of the war on terror.

The lawsuit by seven of the roughly 550 detainees being held at the U.S. Navy (news - web sites) base failed to show valid legal grounds to overturn that power, Leon said. As a result, the proper place to contest their detainment is before military review boards, not federal courts.

"The petitioners are asking this court to do something no federal court has done before: evaluate the legality of the (president's) capture and detention of nonresident aliens, outside the United States, during a time of armed conflict," Leon wrote.

"In the final analysis, the court's role in reviewing the military's decision to capture and detain a nonresident alien is, and must be, highly circumscribed," he wrote.

Lawyers representing the detainees said they would appeal. If allowed to stand, the decision would "render meaningless" the Supreme Court ruling by allowing detainees access to federal court, but then automatically dismissing their suits as groundless, they said.

"I didn't think it was going to be quite as sweeping as this nor quite as dismissive of the Supreme Court's decisions," said Barbara Olshansky, attorney with the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights. "It means that people can be seized everywhere."

Neal Sonnet, who chairs the American Bar Association's task force on enemy combatants, called Leon's order disappointing. "It flies in the face of what we think the Supreme Court ruled in June — that Guantanamo detainees had substantive rights beyond the jurisdictional question," he said.

In its ruling, the Supreme Court rejected the Bush administration's argument that U.S. courts had no business second-guessing detentions of foreigners held on foreign soil. It said the Guantanamo detainees could challenge their detention, but it left lower courts to determine the actual merits of their claims.

The decision prompted a flurry of lawsuits on behalf of detainees. Another judge in the same District Court, Joyce Hens Green, is expected to rule soon on similar claims filed by 55 other detainees.

Leon concluded the detainees presented "no viable theory" to support their claim that they are being held in violation of federal laws. Foreign citizens captured and detained outside the United States have no rights under the Constitution or international law, he said.

Under the military appeal process, detainees may challenge their status as "enemy combatants" in review tribunals as well as at annual administrative hearings that determine whether they still pose a threat or have valuable intelligence.

In addition, detainees may be subject to military trials. However, defendants in such cases have fewer legal rights than prisoners of war. A federal judge ruled the trials denied basic legal rights and ordered the military to come up with a new procedure.

The Supreme Court declined on Tuesday to hear an expedited appeal of that issue while an appeals court reviews the case. Arguments are set for March 8.

Sonnet, who monitored the tribunals in Cuba last August, said the military procedures were inadequate.

"The military review tribunals are a sham," he said. "They don't give any detainee an effective right to contest conditions of his detention."
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Iraq-Jordan
Long Range Surveillance/Sniper Detachment
... In Iraq, the US army has deployed for the first time a 42nd Infantry Division unit known as "Intel Snipers", i.e. sniper-trained soldiers of the division's 173rd Long Range Surveillance Detachment. They are armed with newly-issued M-14 rifles which have never been surpassed as a marksman's weapon... Capt. Michael Manning, commander of the US unit, describes the M-14 as a tremendous force multiplier. It is an integral part of the unit's equipment for LRS-Long Range Surveillance and targeting. In Iraq, the unit will operate 80-100 km inside enemy terrain, observe and report on improvised explosive devices and indirect fire and, if ordered, eliminate insurgents with their sniper rifles which are capable of neutralizing targets at a distance of 800 meters.
The American Intel Snipers will also be charged with sterilizing the vicinity of US bases, command posts and convoys of hostile threats...

The deployment in Iraq of the 42nd Infantry Division's 173rd Long Range Surveillance Detachment with their M-14 marksman's rifles likewise indicates that the assertions coming from President George Bush and outgoing secretary of state Colin Powell regarding the beginning of US troop withdrawals from Iraq are premature. The Iraq war is far from over. Deploying the 173rd Long Range Surveillance Detachment may be an effective ad hoc device for widening the distance between terrorists and their would-be victims at the local level... But it cannot promise to extinguish the terrorist threat for good.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 11:22:08 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wonderful! How disconcerting and demoralizing for the bad guys when, in the midst of quietly (vewy, vewy quietly) enjoying their nefarious doings, their heads suddenly go pop, one after another. I do like the American style of making war.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 11:39 Comments || Top||

#2  "M-14 rifles which have never been surpassed as a marksman’s weapon"

I know this is Debka and I duly took my grains of salt, but cheeze, this seems a little over the top. What about Russian and Euro equivalents ? Any Rantexperts care to comment on this claim ?
Posted by: Carl in N.H. || 01/19/2005 11:55 Comments || Top||

#3  pop goes the jihadi!
Posted by: meeps || 01/19/2005 11:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Statements about the M-14 are a little over the top.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:21 Comments || Top||

#5  Article: They are armed with newly-issued M-14 rifles which have never been surpassed as a marksman’s weapon...

That's weird. My impression was that snipers generally prefer bolt-action to clip-fed rifles.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/19/2005 12:23 Comments || Top||

#6  Modified Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700 as well as Barrett .50-cal have been used as sniper rifles. A good website for sniper rifles is:

http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:34 Comments || Top||

#7  the Corps uses the Remington modified bolt action scout rifle. I've shot it before, very nice.
Posted by: Jarhead || 01/19/2005 12:45 Comments || Top||

#8  I used the M-14 and it is an excellant weapon. Zhang Fei, snipers do prefer bolt action rifles because of the noise of ejecting a spent round and chambering a new round. The spent round can be rather noisy when it is ejected. too much noise and you could give away your position, however, if you are far enough away the noise may not be a problem.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

#9  Marines adopted the Model 700 Remington in 1966 (M-40).The Army tried various weapons.But the M-14 (M21)offered advantages in their opinion.
1.In case of target movement,or error on sniper,another round could be fired immediately.
2.Engaging multiple targets
3.Both semi and full-automatic fire capability enabled the sniper to defend himself or engage the enemy as warranted.
These attributes seem to fit the articles description of 173RD's current mission.

Posted by: crazyhorse || 01/19/2005 13:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Every Army division has a LRSD. Some are trained as snipers. I somehow doubt that this was the first LRSD to deploy to Iraq. Debka is exagerating as usual.
Posted by: 11A5S || 01/19/2005 13:46 Comments || Top||

#11  I'm no sniper. But from what I learned when I considered buying a particular rifle recently (including advice from people who are / have been snipers in operational settings) it's a mistake to evaluate rifles for long range precision shooting based on the model alone. Apart from the military standardized rifles, there are a lot of choices to be made that affect precision: caliber, barrel length, twist and the ammo used. The Remington 700 offers a wide range of these and the higher calibers are popular with many serious competitors for both bench and free shooting. Of course, lots of those guys load their own ammo to get it just right, too. Scope, bipod or sling etc. also have an important effect .....
Posted by: rkb || 01/19/2005 14:04 Comments || Top||

#12  I fired a matched condition M-1 with half-minute clicks trying out for the Marine Rifle team in '64 with peep sights.Excellant weapon.
At 600 yards,the 20" target bullseye looked smaller than the width of the front sight blade.Heh
Posted by: crazyhorse || 01/19/2005 14:22 Comments || Top||

#13  RKB, true. I have an 1859 Whitworth rifle. It fires a 471 grain, .451 calibre lead slug. I consistantly hit targets at 1000 yards over open sights.. Yes, it is a Civil War muzzle loading sniper rifle. I use 60 grains of Fg powder. The barrel is not round on the inside with traditional rifling grooves but is hexagonal with a 1 in 28 twist. The barrel length is the same as an 1853 Enfield, a long rifle. The bullet is machined to match. It has a 4" drop at 500 yards with 1 degree of elevation. The British Army was hitting targets at 1500 yards. A lot does depend on caliber, bullet weight, and rifling.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 15:15 Comments || Top||

#14  is that your yankee rifle or your southron rifle? jeez..... i'm so temped. LOL!
Posted by: half || 01/19/2005 16:11 Comments || Top||

#15  What is southron half pint ?
Posted by: Bill Clinton || 01/19/2005 16:12 Comments || Top||

#16  half ta wait, ive photos of cross dressing yankee calvary. :)
Posted by: half || 01/19/2005 16:23 Comments || Top||

#17  The Confederate Army bought 1000 of them in 1863 and all 1000 made it through the blockade. They came complete with bullet mold, bullet sizer, wad cutter, and cleaning kit.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 16:24 Comments || Top||

#18  Cool Half .....
Posted by: Bill Clinton || 01/19/2005 16:39 Comments || Top||

#19  Guys, I hate to say it, but you're not quite reading what it says. These are issued as "Marksman's weapon". There's a vast difference between designated marksmen and the traditional snipers. Snipers can and do prefer bolt action rifles over semi-automatics of any type. But what a sniper does isn't the same. DM's are usually imbedded with troops and work in a supporting role directly with troops. Sniper teams can and do operate the same way, but DM's are intended to provide an accurate aimed fire capability beyond that of normal troops and intelligence gathering via their better optics and training. Example below

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/marines/a/marmarksmen.htm
Posted by: Silentbrick || 01/19/2005 17:12 Comments || Top||

#20  Thanks, Silent, it's been a while for me. I don't recall this from the late '60's early 70's. In fact, the sniper training was almost discontinued. Waaaaay back in the Great Unpleasantness, good marksmen were called Riflemen and a bit later in the war, Sharpshooters.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 19:28 Comments || Top||

#21  Which of course brings to mind the old TV show "The Rifleman" ....

Boy does THAT date me!
Posted by: rkb || 01/19/2005 22:39 Comments || Top||

#22  Chuck "Chiseled Chin" Connors and little Johnny Crawford?

I liked the big loop on the lever... I had the toy version - and I'm pretty sure I was faster, heh.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 23:04 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Fifth Column -- Strib Writer Looking for a Job at ABC News?
As This Pundit Submits Her Op-Ed, a U.S. Soldier Defends Her Right to Write This Piece of Shit.

And by the way, the Secretary of the Treasury is John Snow, not Paul Snow.
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Anti-War Crowd Backs Notorious Dictators, Communists
Insisting that they are "not criminals, they are patriots," an array of Bush-bashing protesters is making last-minute plans for their Inauguration Day demonstrations in Washington. However, the protesters have more in common than an aversion to war. They have a history of sympathizing with America's enemies including North Korea and Cuba, and they look to a former U.S. attorney general for guidance.
Guess who?
"We're coming in a spirit of non-violence," Shahid Buttar, a Washington, D.C., lawyer and political activist, emphasized, at a Jan. 12 news conference at the National Press Club, where various left-wing groups announced plans for "non-violent" protests.
Rule #1: Never trust a lawyer named Shahid.
Nancy Shia, organizer of Critical Mass and a self-described freelance photographer/activist, outlined plans for a Critical Mass bike ride on Inauguration Day. Her group's protest is intended to be "creative, not confrontational," she told reporters. "We intend to cooperate with police." Jim Macdonald, a D.C. Anti-War Network (DAWN) organizer, said the group would be protesting the "war here at home on our civil liberties." The protests would "promote a world of peace and justice," he added. Macdonald's group is planning a march, a rally, and civil disobedience in the form of a 'die-in,' featuring 1,000 black-draped coffins to symbolize the U.S. soldiers who have died in the war in Iraq.
Don't forget the puppets

Can we have about a half million black-draped coffins to symbolize Iraqis that Sammy killed?
Sister Shazza Nzingha, national chairwoman and founder of the National Alliance of Black Panthers, denounced what she called President Bush's "occupation of Iraq, his occupation of Palestine, his occupation of Haiti," and said her group would protest the president's "anti-people policies."
We're occupying Palestine?
I did it last night. Sorry. Thought I'd told you...
Lila Kaye of the Anarchist Resistance, which boasts of "smash[ing] a Secret Service checkpoint," burning an American flag, and "pelt[ing] the motorcade with trash" at the last Bush inauguration in 2001, said her group was also planning a non-violent march. She said people worldwide are suffering from Bush's policies and that Thursday's protest will be an attempt to "stand in solidarity with those people." She added that Bush is responsible for "genocide."
He's the one who wiped out the last of the Gepids, you know...
Sarah Kauffman, field director for Turn Your Back on Bush (TYBOB), discussed the group's plan to protest "without signs, without pins, without placards." TYBOB members will turn their backs on the presidential motorcade to symbolize what they see as Bush turning his back on Iraq, the international community, the economy, the environment and schools. Buttwipe Buttar said there will be "multiple actions all over the city," and "several thousand (people involved) at a minimum, but denied the existence of any kind of "grand organization."
I'd hardly describe it as "grand"...
However, Code Pink, United for Peace and Justice, and the International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition were named as major players in the protests. While these groups have been recognized for their large, noticeable protests over the years, they have also been accused of anti-American activity, and their leadership includes unapologetic sympathizers of regimes and political entities that are considered enemies of the United States.

Ramsey Clark is the answer
The International ANSWER Coalition is directed by Ramsey Clark, who rose to fame as U.S. attorney general for President Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s, but since then has publicly defended radical regimes around the world and offered legal assistance to some of the world's most notorious and reviled figures. Clark is currently part of the legal defense team for ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. He also defended former Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosovic in the International Criminal Court when Milosovic was charged with ethnic cleansing, and according to a November 2002 World Net Daily article, represented a Rwandan pastor who had been charged with participating in the genocide of Tutsi civilians.
That's a new one to me.
In 1986, Clark reportedly defended the Palestine Liberation Organization in a lawsuit brought by the family of American Leon Klinghoffer, the tourist who was killed by PLO terrorists in the hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise ship.

According to the Capital Research Center, Clark also founded the International Action Center (IAC), a spin-off of the Workers World Party (WWP), and has served as the official spokesman for the WWP since the early 1990s when he led the group's National Coalition to Stop U.S. Intervention in the Middle East. The Workers World Party, which describes itself as a "revolutionary socialist" political party in the United States, was founded in 1959, the same year Fidel Castro rose to power in Cuba.
Wow! I knew he was a nutjob, but I didn't realize just how far out he was. More at the link.

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Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 11:10:32 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A family portrait from the last reunion...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:19 Comments || Top||

#2  "We're occupying Palestine?"

No, we just don't accommodate Haman.
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 12:41 Comments || Top||

#3  I think we need to let the cops know that they have free use of the batan on any noggin that gets out of hand. I think the Oakland PD needs to be brought in for crowd control.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 12:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Speaking of which... What the hell is Ramsey Clark's real gripe? What made him go off the deep end and hate his country so much? He's been pissing on the US since the end of the Johnson term. What was done to him or his by whom?
Posted by: 3dc || 01/19/2005 12:58 Comments || Top||

#5  That is a good question, 3dc. It is like he hates this country so bad that he will do anything to try to destroy it. Must be an unjust speeding ticket in a national park or something.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 13:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Has anyone thought of retaliation at that address when some nutjobs are there? Interesting thought, isn't it? Just what anarchists deserve.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:38 Comments || Top||

#7  "What the hell is Ramsey Clark's real gripe?"

Well, we know that as AG Clark signed off on the original COINTELPRO program to harrass and intimidate anti-war protestors. He was also AG at the time of the MLK and Robert Kennedy assassinations in 1968.
Left-conformist conspiracy theorists have implicated practically everyone who was in government at the time of complicity in these murders, with the notable exception of Clark himself. This has always seemed odd to me: As J. Edgar Hoover's boss and a trusted confidante of LBJ, Clark should logically be suspect #1.

Is it possible that fringe-lefties somehow found the "smoking gun" of 1968 and, instead of informing the authorities, used it to blackmail Clark?
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#8  I vote asshole.
Posted by: VI Lenin || 01/19/2005 16:04 Comments || Top||

#9  You know the Left > "America belongs to the whole World" = espec where the "Whole World" is Mackinder's World Island EURASIA, aka RUSSIA-CHINA, vv the Clintons' THIRD WAY!? Are COMMUNISM-CENTRIC, PC, alleged anti-Commie "SOCIALIST" NATION(S) STILL COMMUNIST - inquiring Clintonian AmeRussian USSA Betty Crocker-Crats wanna know!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/19/2005 20:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Ramsey Clark has been senile for the past 30 years. What is the excuse of all the other nutjobs?
Posted by: Glereper Craviter7929 || 01/19/2005 22:19 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Hajj cleric warns Muslim youth
Raising their hands to the sky, about 2 million Muslim pilgrims prayed for salvation Wednesday at Mount Arafat, where Saudi Arabia's top cleric said the greatest test for the nation of Islam comes from its sons who are "lured by the devil," a reference to violent Muslim militants.
Funny, I thought we were the "devil"? Oh, that's right, we're the "Great Satan". I keep getting them mixed up.
Many pilgrims' eyes welled with tears as they prayed on the most critical day of the hajj, the annual pilgrimage the faithful believe will wipe away their sins. While speaking at a mosque on the plain of Mount Arafat, Sheik Abdul-Aziz al-Sheik, the kingdom's grand mufti, referred to the violent campaign waged by Muslim militants affiliated with the al Qaeda terror network against targets in the kingdom, attacks Saudi authorities have been battling the past two years. Al-Sheik said the greatest test for the Muslim nation is its own sons gone astray, and he warned them not to be used by enemies of the nation to weaken it. "The greatest affliction to strike the nation of Islam came from some of its own sons, who were lured by the devil," he said. "They have called the nation infidel, they have shed protected blood and they have spread vice on earth, with explosions and destruction and killing of innocents." He pointedly asked of Muslim youth: "How would you meet God? With innocent blood you shed or helped shed?"
"You're supposed to be shedding infidel blood, not pure Saudi blood. We're protected, see!"
Al-Sheik also said that campaigns were being waged against the people of Islam -- "military campaigns, thought campaigns, economic campaigns, and media campaigns.
That would be us, I believe
"They are all against this religion. The nation was described as a terrorist nation, that we are terrorists and backward," he said. "Conferences have been held and conspiracies have been woven ... all unjustly and unfairly."
Yup, he's been reading Rantburg again
Al-Sheik urged worshippers to abide the words of God and his prophet and not be "fooled by a civilization known for its weak structure and bad foundation."
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 11:01:49 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Al-Sheik urged worshippers to abide the words of God and his prophet and not be 'fooled by a civilization known for its weak structure and bad foundation.'"

Built on sand, y'say?...
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder how many of those "conferences" were held at the UN?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 11:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Many pilgrims' eyes welled with tears as they prayed on the most critical day of the hajj, the annual pilgrimage the faithful believe will wipe away their sins.

No wonder those types are so violent. When one can be forgiven on an annual basis for any wrongs, engaging in a little mayhem in the meantime can't be all that bad...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Go kill sombody else, you Damn Fools!
I don't care if you are dissatisfied
with how much we pay you, go elsewhere.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 13:56 Comments || Top||

#5  leaddog2 -- use your inside voice, please. You're hurting my eyes with all that shouting.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 15:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Sheik...the day it's not a herd of allan-worshipers that is crashing a jet into a building, or decapitating/disemboweling an aide worker, or throwing acid in a young girl's face, or gang raping villagers in Sudan I'll listen. Otherwise Eat a JDAM for breakfast.
Posted by: anymouse || 01/19/2005 18:21 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Euro expats start registering for polls
Iraqi expatriates in 14 countries, including Germany, on Monday began registering to vote in their homeland's 30 January elections with the process going on "smoothly", an official in Jordan said. Registration offices were set up in the capital Berlin as well as in Munich, Cologne and Mannheim, with the Iraqis having until 23 January to register, said the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) in Berlin. As well as Germany, about one million Iraqi expatriates may be eligible to vote in Jordan, Austria, Canada, Denmark, France, Iran, the Netherlands, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, Britain, the United States and the United Arab Emirates, a spokeman said. "We are coordinating closely with authorities in the 14 countries and we are receiving adequate security and administrative facilities for doing our job," she added. She pointed out that 75 polling centres had been set up in 36 cities throughout the world, including 12 in Jordan.
Iraqis are registering not far from my home too. Thinking about going to check it out...
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 1:07:48 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This should have a moderating influence on the vote count. Most of the Iraqi expats escaped Saddam Hussein's fascist regime on the one hand, and have been living in democratic, rule-of-law societies on the other. They aren't likely to vote for either religious or tribal candidates, but rather whomever they believe will be best for the whole country -- especially as they won't be living with the result themselves.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 6:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Upon actually reading the article I discover that they expect only about 1 million expat voters to register. Nonetheless, with over 200 slates of candidates to choose from, the Iraqi vote will be badly splintered, and the expat vote may well make the difference.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 6:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Id be careful about going to check out the polling stations. Security is going to be very (appropriately) tight - I dont think they want people hanging around to wish good luck - for obvious reasons. Though they'll be lots of local press, I imagine.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 9:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Not quite on topic, but...Nashville has a fairly large Kurdish population. They are assembling in a park and being bused to the polling station with police escort. I'm not convinced massing them all together in buses is the smartest thing to do, but at least security has been considered.
Posted by: Psycho Hillbilly || 01/19/2005 10:37 Comments || Top||


Europe
Algerian terror suspect arrested in Spain
Spanish police have arrested an alleged Islamic terrorist with links to al-Qaeda. Algerian Tahar Izerouali was wanted by police as a supposed member of terrorist organisation Ansar al Islam, which has been linked to al-Qaeda. The terrorist cell allegedly supplies false documents and cash to other Islamic extremists across Europe.

Before his arrest, Tahar Izerouali, 35, was leading a normal life in Bilbao, despite being named in an international arrest warrant. He lived in Santutxu, in Bilbao, and worked as a painter.

He has been sent to Madrid where he will face [Judge Garzon] later this week. Izerouel is one of the eight alleged members of a gang linked to al-Qaeda who appeared before a court in Madrid accused of terrorist offences. They are all said to have supplied logistic support for the Septemebr 11 attacks in the US. Garzon said they developed "a network of forgery of documents to provide false identities or fake documents to other members of the network to help them move about, flee or hide or (to help) with their terrorist activities or links with organizations such as Ansar al-Islam, under the orders of Abu Musab al Zarqawi."
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 1:06:58 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Spain is looking at some success and additional safety because of Judge Garzon. It is also looking at additional dead Spaniards because of Jose Louis Zapatero.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:12 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Meet the New Russia, Same as the Old Russia
Moscow plans to erect a new statue of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, returning his once-ubiquitous image to its streets after an absence of four decades, a top city official said Wednesday. Since President Vladimir Putin was elected in 2000, a number of Soviet symbols -- including the national anthem and an army flag -- have been restored to use, reflecting widespread nostalgia for Russia's communist years.
"Ah, Yuri, remember when we used to lay awake at night waiting for the knock on the door, expecting to be hauled off to the Gulag? Those were the good old days!"
But rehabilitation of Stalin, who was denounced after his death in 1953 by the Soviet leadership for encouraging a cult of personality and killing millions of real and imagined opponents, has previously been out of bounds. Statues of Stalin were removed from Moscow's public spaces in the 1960s. "A monument will be erected to those who took part in (leading the war against Adolf Hitler), including Stalin," Oleg Tolkachev, Moscow's senator in the upper house of parliament, told Ekho Moskvy radio. Interfax news agency reported earlier that a Stalin monument would also be built in the Belgorod region near the Ukrainian border to mark the Soviet victory against Nazi Germany 60 years ago -- seen as the country's greatest military triumph.
That'll make the Ukranians sleep well at night
In another sign of Stalin's growing appeal, state television channels have shown a number of prime-time television shows in recent months depicting him in a positive light.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 1:06:55 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "In Russia the statue erects you!"
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 01/19/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#2  An old German saying: "Rußland bleibt Rußland", "Russia remains Russia".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 13:38 Comments || Top||

#3  When Putin did nothing except centralize State control after Beslan, I worried about Russia retrograding. When they came up with this harebrained idea of resurrecting the most murderous dictator of the 20th century (one of the top two at least), I despaired for Russia.

They have a lot of issues, and they are not starting to work on them.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 15:04 Comments || Top||

#4  That they see their country's greatest military triumph in a grinding campaign on their own soil, which cost the lives of millions of their own people, and gave Russia temporary dominion over a variety of hostile nations which drained them of manpower and treasure for a generation, leaving them with the broken remnants of empire... not much comfort there!
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 15:38 Comments || Top||

#5  AMoose (not ann elk) where'd ya get the esset thingy?
Posted by: Shipman || 01/19/2005 15:46 Comments || Top||

#6  Prince Harry, have I got a great idea for a costume for you...
Posted by: jackal || 01/19/2005 17:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Shpmn: Got it from an online English-German Java translater.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 22:52 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
INFO. LINKS -- FBI: Search For 'dirty Bomb' In Boston
CNN
Northeast Intelligence Network
Islamic Terror sites claiming "The Horserace is on - while they chase the horses, the bird will fly" ...Sources close to the Northeast Intelligence Network have verified initial, unsubstantiated reports that authorities are searching for a radiological or "dirty" bomb and nuclear material in the hands of 6-8 men - 4 Chinese, 2 iraqis and others - in the area from Boston to Washington, DC. Multiple sources have indicated that authorities suspect DC as a likely target to disrupt tomorrow's inauguration.

The Counterterrorism Blog
`They got a call from across the border in Mexico to the California Highway Patrol and he said he brought two Iraqis and four Chineses (individuals)across the border and according to him, they stated soon to follow behind them would be some sort of material,'' said a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation.

``He refers to some sort of nuclear material that will follow them through New York up into Boston.''

According to the source, the caller has not identified himself and did not show up for a meeting with federal investigators in California but he did leave pictures of four Chinese men and some names at a ``drop'' site at the Mexico-California border.

``They were dropped by the source at a location. He literally threw them over a fence from Mexico to the U.S. side,'' said the source. ``There are pictures of the four Chinese and some names but just how accurate they are remains a question''

Massachusetts law enforcement officials were notified of the threat at 5:30 a.m. today through the FBI and Boston Police Joint Terrorist Task Force.


Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 10:54:14 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Reuters
ABC News reported on Wednesday that teams equipped with radiological sensors were patrolling Boston amid a possible "dirty bomb" threat, but local police said they had no information.

"I haven't heard that we're out there with radiological sensors," said Boston FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz. "Right now all I can tell you is the information that we have has not been corroborated. We have shared the information with our law enforcement partners and we're working aggressively to resolve it."

The ABC News report, broadcast over local Boston radio station WBZ, said an FBI field office in San Diego notified colleagues in Boston that someone may be trying to detonate a dirty bomb in the city.


Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 23:42 Comments || Top||

#2  May be ABC's attempt to rain on Bush'es parade....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/19/2005 23:50 Comments || Top||


Europe
Spain arrests 'al-Qaeda suspect'
Spanish police have arrested an Algerian man wanted for allegedly providing logistical support for the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US. Tahar Izerouel was detained in the Basque city of Bilbao on Tuesday, police said. He was one of eight people indicted by senior judge Baltasar Garzon on Monday for being part of what he called a Spanish al-Qaeda cell. Six of the others are already in jail - five in Spain and one in the UK. Judge Garzon said the group of eight had provided logistical support, false identity papers and other documents to Ramzi Binalshibh, a suspected al-Qaeda member who is in US custody, and to other members linked to the attacks. Judge Garzon has already indicted another 40 people on charges of belonging to an al-Qaeda cell in Spain. Twenty-one of them are due to go on trial over the next few weeks. The other 19 are still at large. Investigators have said Spain, along with Germany, was a major staging ground for the preparation of the 11 September attacks.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 10:46:38 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And this just in, from historically more reliable sources, BBC claims to be part of what some call a 'news organization' of unbiased neutral 'journalists' operating out of their secret London HQ were, yet again, disproved after Blogosphere Authorities fisked the scare quoted 'content' coming from the al-HQaeda cell and discovered they had no clue what unbiased and neutral actually meant.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 13:41 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Fred Burks and Indonesia - kiss your donation good-bye
Via American Expat in SE Asia:

If we hoped to gain any possible goodwill from Indonesia with our massive show of support and generosity in their desperate time of need, then we are in for a very rude awakening. One man, Mr. Fred Burks is on a crusade to destroy any possible goodwill towards the United States and in the process is doing all he can to stoke the fires of Islamic fundamentalism.

Mr. Burks actions will cause long lasting damage to our relationship with Indonesia and will most likely also help to contribute to all the charges being dropped against Abu Bakar Ba'asyir. You read it first here.

Shortly after Fred Burks' court appearance where he gave testimony as a witness for the defense in the trial of Abu Bakar Ba'asyir he invited several reporters and academics by SMS to a hastily called meeting at the Indonesian Society for Middle East Studies (ISMES), Jakarta entitled "Bush's Lies" where he was the sole speaker.

Fred Burks took the opportunity at this meeting to plug his website "wanttoknow.info" where he claimed he has many secrets pertaining to the Bush regime's lies concerning 11 September 2001 and the "War on Terrorism". Burks claims that all of the information and details on his website are accurate and not to be confused with conspiracy. He claims that all the secret details and fact are directly obtained over the years through his work translating and interpretting for the State Department and through his close connections and interactions with political elites, the United States government, intelligence agents and the military of the United States.

Burks also claimed that Jemaah Islamiya, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden have been cloaked in mystery and that they are most likely the creations of the CIA. When asked about Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, Burks stated that "a terrorist would not allow himself to be seen in public" and would go into hiding and yet Abu Bakar Ba'asyir remained in public.


Burks goes on and accusing the United States and George W. Bush to be the world's big terrorists and cites figures for number of dead from Afghanistan to Iraq.

Both prior to this meeting outside the courthouse and after this meeting, Mr. Burks confided to a few members in attendance the name of the female CIA agent who he claims demanded that Megawati "render" Abu Bakar Ba'asyir. Mr. Burks then claimed that he was confident and had faith in God that nothing would happen to him.

Later after the meeting, Mr. Burks continued his crusade by making the rounds on Jakarta's television stations and gave exclusive interviews to both MetroTV and SCTV.

During Mr. Fred Burks' televised interview with Rosianna Silalah of SCTV Jakarta, Mr. Burks admitted that he lied to and deceived Ms. Karen B. Brooks the Director for Asian Affairs of the National Security Council when he said he would not mention details of the meeting. He said he hopes he has a chance in the future to apologize to her and explain his reasons for doing what he did.

Ms. Rosianna Silalah ended the interview by saying to Mr. Burks -

"Hati-hati, banyak orang yang mengkhawatirkan keselamatan Anda."

Be very careful, many people are worried about your safety.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 01/19/2005 10:42:19 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  my guess is that Mr. Burks was blackmailed.
Posted by: enog || 01/19/2005 23:48 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Kazakh diplomat shot in Pakistan
A diplomat from Kazakhstan has been shot and seriously wounded in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. Sapargali Aubakirov, a deputy counsellor at the Kazakh embassy, was shot in the head at his home on Tuesday night and was in a coma, police said. They said the wounded diplomat was found on Wednesday morning and that nothing had been stolen from the home. A BBC correspondent at the scene says police believe the attack was a criminal rather than political act.
That's today's story, they can say no more
Ehsan Sadiq, superintendent of the Islamabad police, said the diplomat's servant had left the house at 1900 on Tuesday and returned on Wednesday at 0700 to find the house locked. He contacted embassy officials who broke into the home and found the wounded diplomat. Senior Islamabad police official, Mehboob Aslam, told the Associated Press that police were investigating whether the diplomat had quarrelled with people who were visiting him on Tuesday night. Another police official told the AFP news agency a single bullet cartridge was found, but no weapon. The diplomat's car was also missing, they said.
Islamabad CSI is on the case
UPDATE: Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman Masood Khan named the diplomat as Sapargali Aubakirov, a counsellor at the Kazakh embassy in Islamabad. He said Aubakirov was in critical condition. "The incident is being investigated," he said. "So far, the cause is not known." Aubakirov was in a coma on a life support system at Islamabad's Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences, said Amjad Mehmood, a doctor there. "He is in very serious condition. The treatment part is over, now let's see." Reporters saw Aubakirov being wheeled into intensive care, his head heavily bandaged. Assistant Superintendent of Police Tahir Ayub said there was nothing to indicate an act of terrorism. Asked if it could have been a suicide, he said: "That cannot be ruled out."
"There's the little matter of no gun in his hand, but that fact can be changed to fit the story later if needed"
A security official, who asked not to be identified, quoted doctors as saying that Aubakirov had little chance of surviving. He said a .30 mm shell casing had been found in the diplomat's living room and his car was missing. Ayub said two men had stayed with the diplomat overnight. "They had food and drinks together. We saw no sign of violence. The people who were with him were known to him," he said, but declined to elaborate. Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said it appeared the people who spent the night had taken the car.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 10:39:34 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The next step is for Kazakhstan to curse Pakistan's mustache and vow Dire Revenge (TM).
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 15:24 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Operation Hail to the Chief; a PW counter-counter-inaugural
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 10:17 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL! Thx, Korora!

This is schizophrenic. It's sad that there is any need, what so ever, to treat this event as anything other than a celebration of democracy. It is funny that it is being treated as a military operation to combat the Dark Forces - until one realizes that the fascist / socialist / communist / onanist forces (aka The Dark Force) have so much more practice at this than normal non-professionally-insane people.

Go get 'em, PW!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:38 Comments || Top||


Great White North
UN oil for food scandal - connection to Canada's power elite?
...Hussein was not alone in his corruption, and several others involved in the money flow, including government firms and politicians in Europe, are now nervously following the investigations while checking out one-way flights to Paraguay. Top among these is the European-based BNP Paribas bank, which the U.N. chose to administer the program and which reportedly received nearly $1 billion for its efforts. Congressional investigators reviewing the bank's actions have discovered broken rules, missing documents and improper transfers by BNP Paribas, which up until now has been assumed to be a French bank. In fact, BNP Paribas is actually controlled by Power Corporation, an appropriately named Canadian company that has a shocking track record of 'business' relationships with the worst gangsters and tyrannical regimes in the world.

BNP Paribas also has one other distinguishing feature: a direct corporate and familial relationship with the persons running the government of Canada for the last 20 years. BNP Paribas bank is part of a holding company, Pargesa Holding, which is jointly owned and controlled by the Frere and Desmarais families. Paul Desmarais Sr. is the chairman of the group, while Albert Frere is the vice-chairman. Gerald Frere, Albert's son, is one of three general managers who oversee day-to-day operations, and Paul Desmarais Jr. is also an officer. Pargesa, and thus Power Corporation and the Canadian Desmarais family, holds a controlling significant stake in TotalFina Elf, the Belgian-French petroleum multinational corporation formed from the merger of Total and Petrofina.

BNP Paribas and TotalFina may have blood-stained corporate histories, but the intimate and intricate connections of Power Corp. to Canada's governing elite raise the truly disturbing questions. Power Corporation CEO Andre Desmarais is the son-in-law of former Prime Minister Jean Chretien, who went out of his way to oppose U.S. intervention in Iraq, where the family's business interests with the Saddam regime would be jeopardized. Current Canadian PM Paul Martin is a former Power Corporation employee who made his fortune when he bought Canada Steamship Lines from Power Corp. aided by loans from Power Corp. To this day both CSL and Power are reported to have mutual equity interests in each other.

The most senior foreign affairs/international trade adviser to current Canadian PM Paul Martin is Maurice Strong, former CEO of Power Corp. and a longtime U.N. and Kofi Annan adviser. So, who is TotalFina Elf? Just an oil company that cut a deal with Saddam to develop and exploit the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. These properties are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country's oil reserves.
Power Corp = TotalFina Elf and oil contracts with Saddam
Power Corp = BNP Paribas Bank and UN oil for food scam
Power Corp = Paul Desmarais who is connected by family to Jean Chretien and by business to Paul Martin(2 Prime Ministers)

Oh Canada, poor Canada, beware an oligarchy's powers.
Posted by: 2xstandard || 01/19/2005 10:16:24 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Schadenfreude is a terrible vice. I promise to be properly ashamed of myself. Later.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 6:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Much, much later. Around 2010, actually.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 01/19/2005 6:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Protocols of the elders of Ottawa.
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 8:42 Comments || Top||

#4  gromgorru - you're really funny today.

The left kept trying to tell us, but we just wouldn't listen. It was All About The Oil(TM)

joking aside - this isn't as surprising as it is stunning in its arrogance. I look forward to seeing the future financial connections between Chirac and Putin that go beyond just business at TFA.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#5  They figure they are safe because they are next door to the USA. Canada is a target too, you know. Dumb, really dumb left-wingers!
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:09 Comments || Top||

#6  So it is all about oil....
Posted by: anonymous2u || 01/19/2005 15:38 Comments || Top||

#7  It always was. Every oilman on the planet was opposed to the war, including the chiefs of XOM, ChevronTexaco and other US majors, who in testimony before Congress urged us to lift sanctions and let them do business with Saddam.
Posted by: lex || 01/19/2005 20:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Total-ELF-FINA isn't that where all that dirty money in French politics came from? So dirty politicians in France are tied to dirty politicians in Canada? Who wudda thunk it.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 20:22 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Moscow plans first Stalin monument since 1960s
Moscow plans to erect a new statue of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, returning his once-ubiquitous image to its streets after an absence of four decades, a top city official said Wednesday. Since President Vladimir Putin was elected in 2000, a number of Soviet symbols -- including the national anthem and an army flag -- have been restored to use, reflecting widespread nostalgia for Russia's communist years. Interfax news agency reported earlier that a Stalin monument would also be built in the Belgorod region near the Ukrainian border to mark the Soviet victory against Nazi Germany 60 years ago -- seen as the country's greatest military triumph. In another sign of Stalin's growing appeal, state television channels have shown a number of prime-time television shows in recent months depicting him in a positive light.
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 1:01:45 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Curses, foiled again!
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 13:18 Comments || Top||

#2  $10 sez Ramsey Clark's there for the unveiling
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 13:28 Comments || Top||

#3  Hey! Get your tounge outta his mouth gramps!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 13:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Nothing new here....there's always been a big fan club for that old psycho in Mother Russia. It gets bigger any time the political situation is unstable. I remember seeing a huge medallion with Stalin's face on it for sale in Leningrad in the summer of 1989.
The Russians, sadly, have always been willing to sacrifice freedom for someone who promises security....which is why they have had precious little of either one.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 13:51 Comments || Top||

#5  Have you seen the Past?
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 15:09 Comments || Top||

#6  Eh - what's 40m +++ peasants dead?
Posted by: Chinese Unomoger1553 || 01/19/2005 15:41 Comments || Top||

#7  He was a helluva guy. Won me a Pulitzer. We often talk about that here in HELL...
Posted by: Walter Duranty || 01/19/2005 15:45 Comments || Top||

#8  ima melting!
Posted by: VI Lenin || 01/19/2005 15:58 Comments || Top||

#9  Trotskyite Deviationist Wreckers, BEWARE!
Posted by: borgboy || 01/19/2005 18:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Dutch Iraqi peacekeeping mission will end in March
Dutch ministers have decided against a gradual withdrawal of the nation's peacekeeping troops from Iraq and the mission will end as planned mid-March, it was reported on Monday. Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, Foreign Minister Ben Bot and Defence Minister Henk Kamp met on Monday morning to discuss a proposed gradual withdrawal to ensure a vacuum is not left behind in the Dutch patrol area. But a spokesman for Balkenende later told news agency ANP that the soldiers will be definitely withdrawn as planned in March. The full Cabinet will confirm the decision at its weekly meeting on Friday. The Dutch security responsibilities in the patrol area in the southern Iraqi province al-Muthanna will then be handed over to the British in March.
There's some diplo-maneuvering later in the article. "Several hundred" troops will remain to "dismantle" the camp, and there are rumors the intel people may stay in country...
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 1:01:11 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Fair enough. After the new government is confirmed, the Iraqis are supposed to take care of themselves. Dank ye wel!
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 6:14 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder how these soldiers will take to being abused by Moslems back home, once they return?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 10:31 Comments || Top||

#3  I wonder how these soldiers will take to being abused by Moslems back home

Sort of like how the American soldiers will respond to leftist abuse here: run for office and quietly change things, permanently. The next 20 years are going to be very interesting. (The Sixty-Eighters got it all their own way for a generation. Now its time for the 9/11-ers.)
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 11:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Trailing Wife,

In America, yes, in Britain and Poland, probably.
NOT in Germany, France, and the other nuthouse countries such as Belgium and Luxembourg.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:26 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Judge Hands Sensitive Inauguration Security Info to Fifth Columnists
Long story, EFL. More details at the link.

Presidential Inauguration Security Information Turned Over to Anti-American, Terrorist-linked Group; D.C. Says Judge's Orders Threaten Public Safety
By Sherrie Gossett | January 19, 2005

As the nation's capital prepares itself for the presidential inauguration by going into lockdown mode and placing portable Stinger missile launchers throughout the city, Americans may be stunned to learn that the District of Columbia has been forced by a federal judge to hand over intelligence data on police tactics, training, and strategies from the last inauguration to an organization with documented ties to terrorist groups and Saddam Hussein.

The District of Columbia was forced by court order to turn over this information to the International Action Center (IAC), a group involved in Thursday's protests of the second Bush inaugural through the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition. The anti-Bush groups expect as many as 100,000 will converge on the nation's capital and they intend to get as close to the presidential motorcade as possible. Some media pundits have expressed surprise that the District has offered protestors "prime real estate" along the parade route along Pennsylvania Avenue. But this is largely because of legal pressure exerted by the protesters and their radical law firms.

Given that videotaping a monument can get one arrested in the post-9/11 world, it is stunning that surveillance tapes and other security data can be handed over by court order to an anti-American pro-terrorist organization. But that is how extreme the federal courts have become.
*snipped for length
The information provided by the D.C. Metro Police Department by court order to the IAC so far includes:

• Lesson plans and handbooks on use of aerosol sprays, force and tactical batons;
• Management of Mass Demonstrations, Civil Disturbance Units training documents;

• Metro Police Department (MPD) instruction on use of firearms and other service weapons;

• Portions of Operations Plan, Parade Manual and Civil Disturbance Unit Response Plan for the 54th Inauguration of the President of the United States;

• All rooftop and street-level surveillance videotapes of the presidential inauguration;

• Redacted logs from the Synchronized Operations Command Center and the Running Resume for the Inauguration Day intelligence teams; and

• The identification of all plainclothes MPD officers who were detailed to intelligence teams for the Inauguration.
@#%@!

The plainclothes intelligence officers identified by name were stationed at various locations along and near the presidential parade route in order to monitor the crowds and to report any information heard or observed concerning plans, attempts or actions that might disrupt Inaugural events and/or violate the law and to take law enforcement action, if needed.

Judge Gladys Kessler, who handled the case, issued the orders disclosing the security data. (Kessler was appointed to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia in July 1994 by former president Bill Clinton and confirmed by the Senate.)

Why are we not surprised?

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 01/19/2005 10:00:42 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If something happens this Judge should be arrested and charged with treason.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/19/2005 23:55 Comments || Top||

#2  if anyone dies, let's just hope it's him.
Posted by: enog || 01/19/2005 23:58 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Rutgers' Tenured Stalinist
Posted by: tipper || 01/19/2005 09:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a fossil. Put him and his wife in a museum as a relic of the 60's for all to see. Gigantor Looneybirdus Usefooltoolosas
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#2  After reading the article I wonder why anyone would use his books? He isn't qualified to write about history. He is a freeking english lit professor. I guess being laughed at by your more serious peers isn't a problem for some LLLs. This guy more than qualifies.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 10:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Egghead bonehead. Stuck in '60s leftish fog.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||

#4  The English Department is the great flaming joke of any university in the US today.

It would be nice to see literature studies in general cut by some 60-80% from most universities and the savings applied to means-based scholarships for undergrads. The academic cost would be minimal, insofar as most of the research put out by lit profs today is sheer silliness of no use to anyone. THe only lit courses that are really necessary for undergrads are Great Books survey courses taught by the very best and most experienced instructors in the university.
Posted by: lex || 01/19/2005 10:55 Comments || Top||

#5  My annoyance with this toad is that, by his endorsement, he condemns a real issue, that is, prison abuse in the US. Living in Maricopa County, AZ, home of the psychotic sadist Sheriff Joe Arpaio, I can attest to both his willingness to openly abuse his prisoners *and* to his great public popularity. The public *likes* prisoners to be abused. And by abuse, I don't mean his well publicized use of pink underwear and chain gangs. I mean things like forcing people to live outdoors in tents in 115 degree heat, feeding them *only* coarse and often spoiled bologna and trail mix, which often causes mass food poisonings, and then, just under the amount they need to live so that they are constantly hungry, though it would take them a year or two to starve to death. Denial of medical services, even inexpensive support medicines for chronic diseases (which resulted in an inmate needing four horrifically major operations (split from crotch to throat) and a $300K lawsuit, for want of a 25 cent a day pill). Forcing prisoners to bury the indigent dead and perform their last rites (the local reverends and priests boycotting such services). He even wanted to force his inmates to kill shelter animals with injection needles, a task so horrible that no one can be paid to work that job for even $25/hr. He even interfered with an FBI investigation into the murder of prisoners by his guards, destroying evidence and intimidating witnesses. So, to his credit we can proudly say that he beat the FBI.

He is the most popular elected official in Arizona.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 10:56 Comments || Top||

#6  It's a good point, Anonymoose. Just like the "torture" of the Abhu Gharib and and political hacks human rights groups wasting breath over the "torture" at Guantanmo. It deflects from meaningful discussion and makes people just scoff when you say "torture" or "prison abuse".
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 11:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Hi Folks,

I have taught at a major research university for 25 years. It is certainly the case that almost all faculties in almost all universities are astonishingly liberal. But it is also the case that most surveys indicate that young adults today are remarkably more conservative in their views than their baby boomer parents. I believe there is a cause and effect relationship here. Students go to college, get direct ongoing exposure to loonies like this guy, and pretty soon figure out that the whole liberal schtick is bogus claptrap.
Posted by: Republican Academic || 01/19/2005 11:49 Comments || Top||

#8  RA - Lol - thanks for confirming our kids aren't dupes, heh. Definitely a good thing, since so many of my (our) peers are insane, lol! You might enjoy conversing with AC (Atomic Conspiracy) - a regular RB poster / commenter and also a Professor (patiently?) enduring the loonies of the academic world. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:09 Comments || Top||

#9  You made my point for me, Professor. As the left becomes increasingly incoherent, its good for the students to be exposed to what it used to be. Then downsize the English departments.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 12:38 Comments || Top||

#10  Large universities faculties tend to look like the UN in makeup. Universities faculties, more and more, are made up of foreign nationals who have become citizens--not all of which have allegiance or are friendly to the U.S. Conservative students tend to cloister in business and engineering.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 12:47 Comments || Top||

#11  When I went to UMASS in the mid '70's, the entire Economics Department was all self professed Marxists. The business majors were all thrilled when they found that out.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 13:04 Comments || Top||

#12  tu3031 - and that differs from nowadays in what way?
Posted by: Raj || 01/19/2005 13:38 Comments || Top||

#13  some are Krugmaniacs
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 13:41 Comments || Top||

#14  Don't know, Raj. I figured by now they'd taken their bloated state pensions and retired and became overpaid consultants at Hampshire College down the road. Hampshire makes UMASS look like West Point.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 13:43 Comments || Top||

#15  Tu, my son goes to Hamp. It really has been an education-- for me, at least.
Posted by: Matt || 01/19/2005 15:23 Comments || Top||

#16  Matt, are they still on the "no grades" system they used when I was around there? What about the nude senior class picture?
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 15:40 Comments || Top||

#17  Typical lefty, refuses to walk his talk. Why didn't he move to Cuba?
Posted by: Chinese Unomoger1553 || 01/19/2005 15:48 Comments || Top||

#18  Tu: yeah, you don't get grades, you get "evaluations" (which is a feature I actually like). As for the nude senior class picture, I shall have to make inquiries.
Posted by: Matt || 01/19/2005 16:53 Comments || Top||

#19  I got a call last night from the University of California Berkeley Alumni people, talking about the 25th reunion coming up, blah blah blah. Then they started talking about money, like gifts to the University. That got my boiler pressure going so I started off in fine Rantburg style about how I did not send my children there, due to the sick leftist atmosphere, and how I really want nothing to do with them any more. I told them that all is not well, especially with many of the professors, and I am voting with my pocketbook. Good luck and have a good life and I hope you get that stinking town of Berkeley, California cleaned up. Then I hung up and eventually calmed down. Heh.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 18:51 Comments || Top||


Natural selection in humans
Posted by: tipper || 01/19/2005 09:24 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very kewl!
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 13:01 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Nidra Poller Interviews Georges Malbrunot (ex-Kidnapped French Journalist)
Posted by: Sideshow Bob || 01/19/2005 08:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Letter #6 from Saudi Arabia: The infamous muttawa
Posted by: ed || 01/19/2005 08:03 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The muttawa—or religious police—are a self-elected goon squad of fundamentalists who surveil the Magic Kingdom's inhabitants, particularly its expatriates. The purpose of their scrutiny is to ensure conformity to their own warped, narrow-minded interpretation of Islam. Their scrutiny is often asinine and always absurd...

Pretty much says it all.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 10:40 Comments || Top||

#2  The way you deal with thugs like this is with counter-thugs. Irregulars are never highly regarded by the official police, who often relish their downfall. So if someone were to set up a dedicated and professional psyop and assassination campaign against these brownshirts, their organization would disintigrate in short order--they inherently being cowards and bullies. One could even play on their superstitions, making them *in particular* seem to be prey for demons and djinn, supposedly dispatched by Allah to punish them and their organization for "sinfullness" and "vice". This would also help to undercut their political support.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/19/2005 11:32 Comments || Top||

#3  These guys are sweeties that prevented the girls from escaping a fire at a Girl's School becuase they did not have the proper coverings to be out in public. I want to say about 20 girls died. Would Allah assume this was the correct thing to do or murder? Saving a life or covering your face with a headscarf. Islam is really F$%#ed Up!
Posted by: Rightwing || 01/19/2005 12:36 Comments || Top||

#4  I liked the ice cream story. I'll bet muttawa man and his cop buddy sprinted to the nearest mens room for at least a two man circle jerk after watching that one.
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 15:57 Comments || Top||

#5  Lol, VDH gets very close indeed to the heart of the mutawas. In one respect he's wrong: there are some self-appointed flakes running around, but the mutawas are official - they work for the Ministry of Public Morality, at least that was the way it was listed in the one and only telephone book I saw over there in 1992.

Anonymoose, your heart's in the right place, but you're spitting in the wind. These guys have real power - and they can disappear your ass, just as they did the Filipino, and no one, including the US State Dept, can find you. We had our wasta guy, too, and he would find our lost sheep, as well.

Once one of the guys was planning to go over to Bahrain with a group on Thursday morning (Thurs / Fri is their "weekend")... he never showed up. The matter of his whereabouts was handed over to Mr Fixit and we went our way. We found out later he had to be bailed out of jail. He had missed a highway turnoff - and it can be 50+ clicks between them - easy - and still being inebriated (he was coming home from an el cid party, lol), he had pulled a U-turn and headed back - on the wrong side of the highway. Usually this isn't a big deal over there (lol, honest!) but he had the bad luck to encounter a car in the middle of nowhere that had to dodge him - and yes, it contained a passle of mutawas. So he was cooling his heels under their supervision when our wastaman located him. The lucky dickhead.

You can't do anything or have anything which is overtly religious, except Muslim stuff, of course. Christmas tree with lights that can be seen from outside? Lol! They bang on your door (break it down if you're not home) and drag it out, then stuff it in the first dumpster they can find. If you're an Aramcon (official Aramco employee, not a mere contractor), and this was inside Dhahran Camp, it's probably just a warning. If this happens outside, in the real world, you'll go to jail.

A friend went over there in the mid-70's and had, because he was a physicist, a picture of Albert Einstein in his household shipment. He was summoned down to Customs and pointedly asked who the person was in the framed photo. Well, their "nose" for picking out Jooos was pretty damned accurate, heh. They knew something was Joooish about Einstein. My friend, an Indian who was to be a high-ranking member on the Aramco Chief Scientist's staff, told them it was his uncle. They looked at him. Then looked at the photo. Then back at my friend. This went on for a couple of long silent moments. Then he looked at his paperwork, again, and must've realized my friend was at least semi-important and, with a growl, threw the picture back into the box and told him to get out.

It's their world. It sucks like nothing you can imagine till it's been shoved down your throat.

Now about that Republic of Eastern Arabia...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 16:29 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Kashmir Korpse Kount
A day of violence left nine people including five militants, a Lashkar-e-Taiba commander and an election candidate dead in gunbattles and bomb attacks in held Kashmir, authorities said on Tuesday. Indian border guards suspected early on Tuesday that several militants were sneaking into Indian territory in the mountainous Achhar sector, near the Line of Control (LoC) that divides the two Kashmirs, said BD Sharma, inspector general of the Border Security Force. "We detected an infiltration bid last night in Poonch district and five infiltrators have been killed," Sharma told The Associated Press, adding it was the biggest attempt by militants this year to enter Kashmir.
The mortar fire from the Pak side of the border may have been the tip-off...
Sharma said the infiltrators were detected near an electrified barbed-wire fence that India has constructed to stop fighters from entering Pakistan. It covers 580 kms of the 745-km LoC. An Indian army truck was blown up later on Tuesday by an improvised explosive device in nearby Jugal-Sukhi village, killing a soldier and injuring two others, Sharma said.
Looks like some got through...
The local commander of the Lashkar-e-Taiba group and another militant was shot dead by Indian soldiers in Doda. The slain commander was identified as Farooq Mir, but Sharma couldn't confirm his identity. Meanwhile, suspected militants overnight shot dead a candidate in next month's municipal polls, AFP reported. Noorudin Sherwani was ambushed in Baramulla as he was returning from a mosque, police said. He was the first candidate to be killed by militants opposed to the municipal elections. Sherwani belonged to the state government's coalition partner Congress, which also rules India nationally.
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#1  ROP.
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 8:44 Comments || Top||


'Attacks were due to challenge to Baloch honour'
JACOBABAD: The recent attacks on Sui gas installations were solely an angry reaction at the gang rape of a women doctor and not related to past grievances of the Baloch people, tribal chief Nawab Akbar Bugti has said. "It was nothing to do with past or future grievances and was a purely matter of Balochi ghairat (honour)," Nawab Bugti told Daily Times in an interview at his residence in Dera Bugti. Nawab Bugti, a former governor of Balochistan and chief of the Jamhoori Watan Party (JWP), said tribesmen angry at the rape had not even known where the doctor was from, which is Karachi. "It does not matter where she is from. The basic thing is that she is a woman and women and children have a very high value in Baloch culture," he said, adding that they are never harmed in warfare. "But here this heinous crime, which is so alien to our society, was committed on our land," he said. Locals had expected the registration of a case against the accused, but it was not allowed. Even the tehsildar of the area refused to consider the case, he added.
Posted by: Fred || 01/19/2005 00:00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...women and children have a very high value in Baloch..." yes they make good slaves and sex objects to all males of the ROP.

I am not holding my breath over the charging of the gang rapist either. Another feature of the ROP.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 5:16 Comments || Top||

#2  ...Foster Brooks has spoken! Make it so!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 12:30 Comments || Top||

#3  This is A Typical Muslim treatment of women in Pakistan. It happens thousands of times each year.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 14:03 Comments || Top||

#4  good call TU
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 14:25 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Egypt's Islamists see Gamal president
The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's biggest opposition group, has said he expects President Hosni Mubarak's son Gamal to become Egypt's leader, but not just yet. Muhammad Mahdi Akef said on Tuesday he expects parliament, dominated by the ruling party, to nominate 76-year-old Mubarak in May for a fifth six-year presidential term, which the Brotherhood and other opposition groups oppose. Mubarak, who has ruled Egypt since 1981, has strongly hinted but not confirmed that he will seek the fifth term. The candidate parliament picked for the post is put to a public referendum in September. Egyptians expect Mubarak to stand again, mainly because he has no obvious successor. Akef said: "President Husni Mubarak grasps all the matters of state in his own hand - executive, judicial or legislative. We are in a police state governed by one man."

Gamal Mubarak has become a prominent figure in the ruling party, but observers say he has yet to build up enough support to bid for the presidency. Mubarak has dismissed the idea he would hand power to his son. But Gamal could pursue the presidency through constitutional means. "When they want to bring (Gamal), they will bring him," Akef said. "All the while there is emergency law, all the while there is the political parties law, all the while there are political prisoners ... they can do anything." "Don't forget that we are a state which is almost a police state. Everything is in the hands of security," he added. Egypt's emergency laws allow the state to detain suspects without charge and political parties must be licensed by a committee dominated by the ruling party.
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#1  of course if the muslim brotherhood got in it wouldn't be a police state--only vice and virtue guys with beards running amok--sharia courts--and a religious totalitarian theocracy--so let's vote for them
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 01/19/2005 2:01 Comments || Top||


Algerians riot over fuel prices
Rioting has erupted south of the Algerian capital and in the northeast of the country demonstrators blocked roads to protest government plans to increase gas prices. According to Algerian newspaper reports on Tuesday, hundreds of youths set fire to public buildings in the town of Birina, in the Jilfa region 270kms south of Algiers. Security forces used tear gas against the demonstrators, carrying out several arrests, the reports said. Meanwhile in the country's northeast, angry demonstrators in the town of Khirrata reportedly blockaded the region's main road. Butane gas and fuel oil are the only available sources of energy in Algeria's remote mountain regions and high plateaus. The government's decision to raise the price of a litre from 170 to 200 dinars ($2.3 to $2.8) goes against a recommendation from the national parliament.
It's kinda nice to see them rioting over more routine issues...
"Look! A hockey match!"
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#1  And a good time was had by all...
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 12:00 Comments || Top||


Europe
Spain urged to free Aljazeera reporter
Aljazeera staff and members of the Egyptian Journalists Syndicate have staged a peaceful demonstration at the Spanish embassy in Cairo in protest against the continued detention of an Aljazeera war correspondent. Protesters called for Taysir Alluni's release, saying his health is deteriorating. They urged the Spanish authorities to provide him better medical care. Alluni's wife has said that his health is deteriorating because of prison conditions, where he is held in isolation for 20 hours a day. He is permitted four hours outside his cell, she says, but he is not allowed to talk to anyone.

The International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) has asked member organisations in Spain to investigate Alluni's prison conditions. The correspondent has been held in solitary confinement since his detention two months ago following his re-arrest on charges of links to al-Qaida. Alluni, Syrian by birth but holding a Spanish passport, was first arrested in 2003 on suspicion of links with al-Qaida as part of an investigation into Islamist operations in Spain. As a correspondent for Aljazeera, he became well known for his work in Afghanistan during the US-led invasion. But two months after being taken into custody, he was released on bail. Judges ruled he should be freed pending a trial because of his poor heart condition.

The indictment alleges he used his role as a reporter to take cash and messages to al-Qaida members. But Alluni says the evidence is based on badly translated telephone conversations. He was taken back into custody in November 2004. The IFJ general-secretary, Aidan White, said: "This case has caused anxiety to journalists, not least because after months on bail with no apparent problems, he was taken back into custody. Now we have reports that he is in deteriorating health. It is important that he is treated in a humane and compassionate manner." Lawyers have asked the Spanish authorities to give Alluni a full medical examination by heart and back specialists, but they say there has been no response.
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#1  One magnifying glass and a nanoviolin, comin' up!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 0:46 Comments || Top||

#2  This man is guilty. Keep him in jail.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 5:36 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
EU urges Israel to maintain Paleo contacts
After all, nobody's blown up in Brussels...
Israel should maintain contact with new Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in spite of renewed violence, the European Union said on Tuesday in advance of a visit by EU officials to the region. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has cut ties with recently elected Abbas, the moderate successor to the late Yasser Arafat, because of his failure to reign in Palestinian militants carrying out attacks on Israel. "I ask Israel to give him (Abbas) a chance," Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the EU, told reporters after a meeting of the European Parliament's foreign affairs committee. "Mr Sharon and Mahmoud Abbas should meet urgently to discuss the roadmap," he added of an international peace plan sponsored by the United States, United Nations, the EU and Russia.

The European Union sees progress towards peace in the Middle East as one of its top foreign policy priorities of 2005 and is anxious to see the United States re-engage in the second term of President George W Bush. Asselborn will visit the region from Jan. 19-20 where he will meet Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom and Labour Party leader Shimon Peres in Jerusalem on Tuesday. He visits Gaza on Wednesday where he will meet Abbas. He will also meet his Palestinian counterpart Nabil Shaath.
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#1  Cookies and milk, Fred. Now that's a scream.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 01/19/2005 0:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Give peace a chance --- all it'll cost you is some (totally expendable, far as we're concerned) Jewish lives.
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 6:53 Comments || Top||

#3  EU urges Israel to maintain Paleo contacts

"Easy to do" is easy to say.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 11:37 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Govt sets up tribunal to investigate sectarian riots
GILGIT: The government set up a tribunal on Tuesday to investigate bloody sectarian riots 10 days ago here in which 17 people were killed after an assassination bid on a Shia leader, officials said. The chief of the Northern Areas' apex court, Raja Jalaluddin, will head the tribunal tasked to submit its finding to the federal government in a month, a senior administration official told AFP. Meanwhile, local police chief Sakiullah Tareen told AFP six men were taken into custody for their suspected involvement in the January 8 riots in Gilgit. Local military officials said General Ahsan Saleem Hayat, the vice chief of army staff, visited Gilgit and was briefed on security arrangements. The authorities also relaxed a curfew imposed since the riots, down to six hours from 7am to 1pm. The curfew in Skardu was also relaxed for three hours from 9am to 12pm. The Skardu curfew will be relaxed for six hours from 9am to 3pm on Wednesday.
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Israel-Palestine
Palestinian bomber kills Israeli soldier
A Palestinian has blown himself up near a Jewish settlement in the Gaza Strip, killing one Israeli soldier and wounding seven, Aljazeera reported. Correspondent Wail Dahduh said the wounded had all been evacuated from the scene by helicopter. The Islamic group Hamas claimed responsibility for late Tuesday's attack, which took place at a highway intersection near the Gush Katif settlement bloc in central Gaza. Settlements built on occupied Palestinian territories are considered illegal in the eyes of international law. Witnesses were quoted as saying the bomber approached a group of people at an al-Matahin Road intersection and blew himself up. The military wing of the Hamas resistance movement, Izz Al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades, said it carried out the operation and identified the Palestinian who blew himself up as Omar Suleiman Tabash from Absan village, near Khan Yunus.
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#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: trow the jews in the mediteranean sea TROLL || 01/19/2005 2:34 Comments || Top||

#2  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: trow the jews in the mediteranean sea TROLL || 01/19/2005 2:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Ass #2 this morning.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 2:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Wow . . . I've spent all night drafting legal briefs and preparing to argue in court . . . but the spelling, the articulation, the sheer gramatical impact of this TTJITMS person . . .

I'll say it backwards . . . wow.
Posted by: cingold || 01/19/2005 2:40 Comments || Top||

#5  hahaha 'trow the jews in the mediteranean sea' soooo much hate :P

By the way , that would be 'throw' and 'Mediterranean' , you clueless retard .
Posted by: MacNails || 01/19/2005 5:11 Comments || Top||

#6  Cingold,

You seem surprised! Didn't you know that over 10 years of exhaustive research has failed to find even the smallest hint of any intelligence in those trolls of the leftist persuasion.

Fortunately, their behavior is self-liquidating.
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 5:13 Comments || Top||

#7  Hmm. Is TTJITMS our homophobic gay Italian anti-Semite, back again?
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 5:22 Comments || Top||

#8  appears so
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 10:33 Comments || Top||

#9  hey fred get the fuck out of US you jew cock sucker
Posted by: trow the jews in the mediteranean sea || 01/19/2005 2:34 Comments || Top||

#10  hey fred get the fuck out of US you jew cock sucker
Posted by: trow the jews in the mediteranean sea || 01/19/2005 2:34 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Baghdad car bomb targets Shia party
A car bomb has exploded in south Baghdad, killing four guards and injuring eight people near the offices of a leading Iraqi Shia party, Aljazeera reports. Tuesday's bomb exploded by a checkpoint barrier about 60m from the headquarters of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), an important Shia party. "A suicide bomber tried to drive into the Jadriyah office of SCIRI," Haitham al-Hussaini, a spokesman for the party, said. Rida Jawad Taqi, head of SCIRI's political relations, told Aljazeera: "Terrorists and extremists from al-Qaida and al-Zarqawi groups are behind the attack, particularly those coming from outside Iraq." Iraqi journalist Ziyad al-Samarrai told Aljazeera the number of casualties might rise as the blast occurred near Baghdad University, which is usually crowded with students. Al-Samarrai said that the bomb probably targeted the SCIRI office and that the building was damaged in the explosion.
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#1  Wait a minute! Is there a terrorist still breathing in that car?
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 10:14 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Israel to give Abbas limited time to fight militants
Israel will give new Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas a "limited" amount of time to allow him to crack down on militant groups, a source close to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told AFP on Tuesday. "We are according Abu Mazen (Abbas) a limited delay to let him decide whether to fight against terrorism," the source said on condition of anonymity. "If he does not change the rules of the game, then the Palestinians will pay an enormous price."

Abbas gave orders on Monday to his security services to prevent attacks by militant groups such as Hamas and is due to hold talks in Gaza City on Wednesday with leaders of the factions in order to persuade them to agree to a new ceasefire. Army radio reported on Monday that chief of staff Moshe Yaalon had demanded that plans be drawn up for a large-scale land operation in Gaza if attacks continue.
Posted by: Fred || 01/19/2005 00:00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sharon needs to be careful about giving ultimatums to Abbas at this point in time. Abbas, for all his warts, is Israel's best hope for peace. Abbas resigned from Arafat's cabinet because he did not want to be associated with all the corruption in Arafat's "house." Just because Arafat is pushing up daisies, it doesn't mean all his thug pals are gone. If Abbas tried to come down hard on Palestinian terrorist groups, many of whom are Arafat's associates, he will be killed in short order. Then who'd come up to the plate for the Palestinians? I think Sharon needs to get the wall completed asap and get the Gaza settlers moved out real fast. Sharon is in a much better position to limit the damage to his people from terrorist groups than Abbas is right now.
Posted by: 2xstandard || 01/19/2005 1:22 Comments || Top||

#2  Heh, I love listening / reading optimists. Peace? Between Israel and the Paleos? Ever? Really? Well, good on ya - optimism is good stuff, if it can't kill you - and I am assuming you're not in Israel...

I refer you to my comment #5 on this article for the opposite end of the spectrum.

BTW, Abbas is still a Holocaust-denier - within the last 2-3 months - no I don't have a link for you because I was not surprised in the least, so didn't bookmark it. And one other point, since 1947 there has never been any evidence, none whatsoever, to support any level of optimism. So you're the determined sort - cool. Good luck.

IMHO: Build the Fence. That's the only thing that has worked in any way, short of tanks, bullets, and HellFire missiles. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 1:39 Comments || Top||

#3  On 3/19/03, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), while expressing skepticism about whether a Palestinian prime minister will hold any real authority, said today's appointment of Abu Mazen to the newly created post "offers hope" of greater reform within the Palestinian Authority.
http://www.adl.org/presrele/islme%5F62/4244%5F62.asp

Abbas is as good as it gets. Abbas wrote his dissertation such as it was 20 years ago while he was studying at Moscow. You want to hold him to an obvious propoganda piece written for his patrons, go ahead, .com. But the ADL obviously considered the situation and decided Abbas's dissertion wasn't worth their worry and that he held promise. And btw, Sharon wasn't a knight in shining armor at various stages of his career either. If the Israelis think there's a better guy than Abbas waiting in the wings, then by all means they should force Abbas's hand and get him assassinated by the PLO. But if they don't see a white knight waiting, they should work with Abbas. If the Dims win the WH in 2008, ( the American voter is known to like change)the change may not be in Israel's favor as it is now. I think it behooves Israel to try to make things work with Abbas the next 4 years. Who knows what lies ahead?
Posted by: 2xstandard || 01/19/2005 2:39 Comments || Top||

#4  2xstandard: Who knows what lies ahead?

Abbas days are numbered and counting. With about 75% of the adults and nearly 100% of indoctrinated children wanting the jews into sea thingy, the chances for peace are close to 1Bill. to 1 for the next couple of generations. It's fooked up.
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 3:01 Comments || Top||

#5  Sobiesky, I hope you are wrong. I hope Abbas is not murdered.

Israel cannot be viewed as the pariah by the world for much longer. Its only ally is the USA and even that can change with whomever occupies the Oval office. Also, Israel needs water and energy and a steady infusion of immigrant population. If Israel is not a pleasant place to live - a wall keeps people out and traps people in as well - what Jews will want to immigrate to Israel? The current birth rate is too low to sustain it long term. What countries will sell Israel fuel in the future, if it continues to have problems with the Palestinians? Russia? Iran? Saudi Arabia? In the next 20 years, the big players on the world's stage will be China and India - neither have enough oil for themselves- they will be vying for oil from Iran and Saudi Arbia - who do you think will get first dibs on those countries' resources?

It's imperative for Israel to make peace with the Palestinians to win acceptance by other countries so Israel can trade its goods and buy others' resources. America's largesse may be decreased in the future. We've run up a huge deficit the past 3 years and it's getting worse as we speak. Israel cannot become independent if it's shunned by the nations around it, not only the ME countries but the EU countries as well. And Europe is becoming more Islamitized with each generation. Unfortunately Arafat has successfully made the Palestinian issue an albatross for Israel in the world's eyes. No country can survive in today's globalized world living behind a fence and moat.
Posted by: 2xstandard || 01/19/2005 3:47 Comments || Top||

#6  #5
Why don't you start by hoping for something easy, like repealing the second law of Thermodynamics?
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 6:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Why would the world opinion about Israel change? The nation is Jewish, and antisemitism hasn't been this bad or this open since the 1930s. World dislike of Israel is not based on anything Israel does or does not do -- but rather on its simple existence. This will not change until the Arab countries democratize and/or decisively lose the Terror War, and their people turn their energies to domestic issues. Remember, the Arab world has fought and propagandized against the Jews and the Jewish state since, again, the 1930s -- back when it was the Jews who were called "Palestinian." The local Arabs did not develop a national identity until just about the time of the Six Day War, and attained international prominence as a result of the Sixty-Eighters romanticizing fellow terrorists. Truth to tell, peace with the Palestinians will follow on ending world support for their use of the terror weapon, not the other way around.

The population issue was addressed in an article posted yesterday, and it turns out to be considerably more hyped than real (the birthrate of the non-Western Jews parallels that of the Arabs among whom they'd lived for 2500 years, thus they make up an increasing percentage of the Jewish Israeli population, and a decreasingly Euro-style culture); and with the increasing length of the Separation Fence terror incidents have dropped dramatically, which is why the Palestinians have gone back to lobbing rockets in the general direction of Israeli communities. The U.S. Federal deficit is actually dropping*. Israel is building closer commercial and military ties with India, as well as (quietly) with some of the less rabid Muslim countries like Morocco. Turkey goes back and forth -- I believe the secular Turkish military wants stronger ties, but the religious government is uncomfortable. Israeli technical products are desired worldwide, with companies like Intel and IBM opening research and manufacturing facilities there, and Israeli anti-terrorism expertise is in high demand with governments and corporations around the world.

Abbas, on the other hand, speaks of peace only because he believes the PLO goal of eradicating Israel can be accomplished using the failed weapon of demographics. However, nobody can control the terrorists amongst the Paleo population (and they have support of at least 50% of the people there) so long as the call to jihad is made daily on television, in the classrooms, in the street names and wall posters recalling successful suiciders, and in the summer training camps run by all factions including the PLO, of which Abbas is the titular head. Holocaust denier or no, Abbas has the aim of eradicating Israel firmly before his eyes: only his preferred method differs from that of Arafat.

*from a Wall Street Journal article last November:
Fiscal 2004 ended with a federal deficit of $413 billion, well under the Office of Management and Budget's February projection of $521 billion. In October, the 12-month deficit came in under $400 billion, and in the (admittedly brief) three months ending in October the 12-month trend was heading toward $310 billion.

Douglas Holtz-Eakin of the Congressional Budget Office told us that "Economic growth, which we anticipate to be pretty robust, leads to reductions in the deficit from what was this year $413 billion, or 3.5% of GDP. And if you go forward, you're down to about three [percent of GDP] on the baseline next year, and about 2.5 or 2.6 the year after that." In historic terms, that's getting close to normal since the deficit has averaged a bit above 2% of GDP for the entire postwar period. "So I think it is the case that business-as-usual with tight restraint on spending will bring the deficit down over the near term to levels that we've seen," Mr. Holtz-Eakin adds. And all with no tax increase required.

As for the national debt, that's also not a cause for alarm. ...[O]verall federal debt as a share of GDP is estimated to be below 40% in 2005, still well below the recent peak of 49.4% in 1993. That is easily manageable by historic standards, and in fact should begin to decline again if the economy keeps growing and annual deficits begin to shrink.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 7:26 Comments || Top||

#8  A more recent article on the budget deficit came out recently in the National Review Online. Tax collections increased 4.4% more than federal spending, and the deficit continues to drop.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 7:35 Comments || Top||

#9  But I can also write brief posts. See? ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 7:53 Comments || Top||

#10  Abbas, for all his warts, is Israel's best hope for peace.

If there's any truth to this, then the Israelis aren't in any better position than they were when Arafart was still alive.

..a wall keeps people out and traps people in as well..

Please. The only people that applies to are the Paleos, and quite frankly, there's nothing left in the fuel tank with which to make the sympathy meter budge.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#11  1. all israel has promised is to refrain from attacks while giving Abbas a chance, NOT to stop building the wall. There is NO, I repeat NO, contradiction between giving Abbas a chance and building the wall. Au contraire, building the wall HELPS give Abbas a chance. By reducing terr acts, it reduces the need for Israel to launch attacks, which WOULD undermine Abbas. Of course Abbas cant SAY that. Everyone is too much taken up by the loony left and the Euro press which are antiwall. You really need to follow the Israeli left, where a desire to reach out to Abbas is joined by support for the wall - at most they would modify some aspects of the route.

2. Ive seen NOTHING indicating Abbas has denied the Holocaust since a PHd thesis he wrote over 25 years ago. Im dubious.

3. Abbas is a better possibility than Arafat, but could well be a failure, for a great many reasons. TRUST BUT VERIFY, as a great man once said.

4. There are some Pals who are willing to live in peace with Israel, according to polls. Numbers are debatable. Enough who support terrorism to justify the charecterization of Pal society as loony. Enough who want to change to justify some hope.

5. The discussion of overwhelming Israel by numbers is what the Pals do IF Israel doesnt make a deal and/or disengage. They accept annexation, and VOTE their way to power. Their numbers are such that if the territories were annexed TODAY they would totally disrupt the Israeli political system - and their numbers are growing, if not as fast as previously thought.

6. Poll the other day said most Pals in the territories willing to give up 'right of return" - a good sign.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 11:51 Comments || Top||

#12  LH - good news, but polls can, as we know, be manipulated. Right of return = eternal war
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 12:00 Comments || Top||

#13  Poll the other day said most Pals in the territories willing to give up 'right of return"..

Not a quibble with the poster, but I always cringe when I hear this "right of return" bullshit. These guys can't give up a "right" that they never had.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:43 Comments || Top||

#14  2. Ive seen NOTHING indicating Abbas has denied the Holocaust since a PHd thesis he wrote over 25 years ago. Im dubious.

I bet you could find more Israelis killed by his command than remarks he's made about the reality of the Holocaust.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 01/19/2005 12:57 Comments || Top||

#15  said in the voice of Robocop-

"You have 30 seconds to comply."
Posted by: Mark E. || 01/19/2005 13:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
UK soldier admits Iraq abuse
A British soldier, one of three accused of abusing Iraqi civilians in their custody, has pleaded guilty to one charge of assault at the start of a court martial. The soldiers from the Royal Fusiliers regiment were charged on Tuesday in the UK with mistreating civilians at a food depot, known as the Bread Basket, outside the southern Iraqi city of Basra on or around 15 May 2003. The troops had been sent to stop looters who were stealing food aid from a warehouse.

The bulk of the evidence in the case is a package of around 22 photographs taken by servicemen at the food depot. One photograph shows two Iraqi men being forced to simulate sex acts while another depicts a man tied to a forklift truck. Lance Corporal Darren Larkin pleaded guilty to battery for assaulting an unknown male but denied a separate charge of disgraceful conduct of an indecent kind. "He is ashamed of his unacceptable act," his lawyer William England told the seven-member military panel sitting at Roberts Barracks. "He realises he has brought shame on his family and his regiment."
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#1  this must go all the way up to minister of defense donald rumsfeld and prime minister george w. bush--they only get the small fry
Posted by: SON OF TOLUI || 01/19/2005 2:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Maybe because only the small fry is guilty?

P.S. SOMEONE track SON OF TOLUI's IP and route it to Homeland Security ... or someone who'll actually do something about it.
Posted by: Edward Yee || 01/19/2005 4:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like someone needs a good long stint in The Roundhouse to contemplate the consequences of their actions. Lets hope this doesn't place the rest of the lads in danger. Son of T - please use opening and closing irony tags.
Posted by: Howard UK || 01/19/2005 10:41 Comments || Top||

#4  Roundhouse - wtf!! Got violence on me mind..Glasshouse.. duh!
Posted by: Howard UK || 01/19/2005 10:42 Comments || Top||

#5  Maybe because only the small fry is guilty?

Apparently, SOT must think that each and every order originates solely at the top.

SOT's father must be pretty damned clueless, to say the least.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 10:56 Comments || Top||

#6  I smell sarcasm....
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 11:04 Comments || Top||

#7  I dunno, looked suspect to me; very un-SOT like...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Blast damages Jamshoro bridge
KARACHI: Multiple bomb blasts on Tuesday damaged a bridge over the Indus River, police said. Unidentified attackers fixed explosives to the six pillars of the Jamshoro bridge, 170 kilometres north of Karachi, police officer Dost Ali Baloch said. "It was quite powerful material which damaged the pillars of the bridge," he said, adding that a protective shield under the bridge averted major destruction. Experts were brought in to assess the damage but traffic was still passing over the bridge, he said. The Jamshoro bridge is on top of the last water barrage at the tail of the Indus river, which supplies much of Pakistan's irrigation and drinking water needs. No organisation had claimed responsibility for the blast but the police said it was an "act of sheer terrorism."
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Rape victim likely to leave country
The lady doctor who was subjected to rape in a hospital at Sui is considering emigrating to the United States, sources told the Daily Times on Tuesday. The spokesman for Pakistan Petroleum Ltd (PPL), at whose hospital the lady doctor worked, Nusrat Nasarullah, said they had no information that the lady doctor or some of her family members were considering emigrating to the United States or any other country.
I'd say she's showing good sense, myself...
I'd be happy to sponsor her for an H-1B visa.
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Fifth Column
Anti-War Activists Plan 'Counter-Inaugural'
Gee. Golly. Shucks. Whoever expected something like that?
International S.O.R.E.L.O.S.E.R. is on the scene. They have 16-feet tall paper mache puppets...
I'm hoping the puppets will freeze their, um, handles off.
While Republicans and most other sane Americans will be celebrating the inauguration of their president's second term of office in Washington, simple-minded rustics activist groups
Oh, no Steve. "they" are the suave, nuanced, urban sophisticates. "We" are the simple rustic sheeple who consistently vote against what's good for us...
plan to counter his inauguration on Thursday by making faces and rude noises demonstrating against President Bush's economic agenda, the legitimacy of his election and the war in Iraq. Despite this week's record cold, Inauguration Week will feature rallies, marches and demonstrations with the focus on peaceful, family-friendly gatherings, said Shahid Buttwipe Buttar, a protest organizer.

Hundreds of fools, rubes and tools groups throughout the country will participate, Buttar said, including Mobilization for Global Justice and the Committee to ReDefeat the President, a public affairs committee that sees Bush's presidency as illegitimately won. But the anti-war activists said Friday that the Bush administration is attempting to "privatize Pennsylvania Avenue" by reserving the inaugural parade route for political contributors and keeping protesters off "America's Main Street." The privately funded Presidential Inaugural Committee is raising about $40 million to pay for the parade, inaugural balls and other events, and it plans to erect bleachers for some paying supporters along the route.

The organizers say thousands of demonstrators from around the nation will show up early on inauguration day anyway and claim the sidewalks to show the passing President Bush and a watching world that they object to "an unprovoked war of aggression" in Iraq. "It is lawful to come to the parade," declared Mara Veheyden-Hilliard, a lawyer for the Partnership for Civil Justice, one of the protest groups. "Everyone has a right to be there."

"Democracy is not by invitation only," said Katherine Stecher, campaign coordinator for the Nicaragua Network, another of the dissident groups. The anti-war "counter-inaugural" is being organized by the ANSWER Coalition. ANSWER stands for "Assinine Nincompoops Swilling Wickedly Egregious Ratpoop" "Act Now to Stop War and End Racism." Brian Becker, the national coordinator, told journalists at a recent briefing at the National Press Club, that the coalition of liberal groups was formed shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, in anticipation of the Bush administration using this terrorism as an excuse "to protect the country in spite of some of its citizens" "to carry out a previously planned, aggressive, right-wing, militaristic foreign policy."
My guess is, they haven't "moved on".
The organizers said they had asked the National Park Service for permits for protest space along the parade route, and said their requests had been denied in order to accommodate the Presidential Inaugural Committee. ANSWER and attorneys from the Partnership for Civil Justice and the National Lawyers Guild filed a lawsuit on Jan.14 saying the US government was engaged in political screening to grant exclusive access to financial and political supporters of the administration and curtail freedom of speech and assembly along Pennsylvania Avenue on Inauguration Day.
Well yeah. Come back next week, it's all yours. Clean up after yourselves.
Protesters say the lawsuit reveals internal documents from the 2001 Bush/Cheney Presidential Inaugural Committee. Four years ago, thousands of protesters massed along the inaugural parade route to show their anger over the contested election in which President Bush gained his first term. Bearing signs such as "Hail to the Thief" and "Supreme Injustice," they crowded the subways, got into sidewalk debates with inaugural guests and gave the historic day what some called "a real sense of idiots in motion democracy in action."

This year, as George W. Bush is sworn in for a second term, the atmosphere promises to be calmer. Many of the mainstream liberal and antiwar groups have opted not to attend, saying the security planned for the first inauguration since the Sept. 11 attacks will make protesting difficult. "We felt our focus has been and should continue to be this war," said Tom Andrews, national director of Win Without War, an antiwar coalition of MoveOn.org.
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#1 
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 1:50 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL!Bwaahahahaha...

.com, where you getting these images?
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 2:42 Comments || Top||

#3  .com

ROTFLMAO. That is classic.
Posted by: cingold || 01/19/2005 2:47 Comments || Top||

#4  Sobiesky - You can get hundreds here - but they're doing maintenance on the main galleries, at the moment, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 2:53 Comments || Top||

#5  I really do hope that it's 30 degrees outside and the rubes 'force' the police to use water hoses. Hell if it were me I would use hoses on them at the beginning of the parade.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 10:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Cyber Sarge, that would only give Act Now to Support Wickedness and Eat the Righteous more ammo in the intellectual war.
Posted by: Korora || 01/19/2005 10:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Well, it has just started snowing rather heavily in DC - watching it on FoxNews... The forecast for tomorrow is a high of 36F and 55% chance of precipitation after an overnight low of 24F - so sleet / snow are on...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 11:17 Comments || Top||

#8  lots of snow right now.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 11:21 Comments || Top||

#9  BTW, Skeery and Boxer voted AGAINST Rice's nomination. Final was 16-2.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 11:39 Comments || Top||

#10  Korora, first they have to recover from the pneumonia.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 12:03 Comments || Top||

#11  .com, well, look at it this way.....it's the first time in a long time Ol' JF'nK showed up for work in a long time. Wish my job had personal leave like that.....I need a federal government job. State & local ain't that kind!

Besides, you gotta love a group called "The Committee to ReDefeat the President". I mean, the dorks don't realize that their favorite cowboy CAN'T run for a third term? I mean, DUH...I'm blonde and I knew that!
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 01/19/2005 12:42 Comments || Top||

#12  DB - lol! The cognitive dissonance disorder thingy is becoming alarmingly common, methinks...
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 12:52 Comments || Top||

#13  I'll bet that if that girl holding the sign upside down was asked WHY she was against the war, no coherent reason would be offered up.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:54 Comments || Top||

#14  Korora, they don't need a reason to protest or bitch. They are sore losers and can't come to grips with reality. I only wish I could be part of the security detail on these clowns. The first one that looked at me crosseyed would get a crack on the noggin. Yes I am seething because they represent EVERYTHING that is not American. I didn't vote for Billy Jeff (nor did 57% of the country) but I didn't seethe about his Presidency. These people are the ones wanting to divide the nation, not the President and they don't represent even 1% of the population, yet they will get plenty of air time. They want to call Republican 'facists', ok show them what 'facists' do to protestors and maybe they will rethink their opinion. Still looking for an Anti-Bush Rally in California to break into.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 01/19/2005 13:08 Comments || Top||

#15  I plan on hanging out with my counterpart, the senior senator from Massachusetts, getting blind, stinkin drunk and hitting on every hooker I see with "Do you know who I am?" Ted says it usually works for him.
Posted by: John Fn Kerry || 01/19/2005 13:09 Comments || Top||

#16  I plan on hanging out with my counterpart, the senior senator from Massachusetts, getting blind, stinkin drunk and hitting on every hooker I see with "Do you know who I am?" Ted says it usually works for him.

JF'nK: just be careful you don't ask "do you know what I am" by mistake. You might not like the answer
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||

#17  In defence of blondes - that picture looks like a rough and ready Photoshop job.
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 16:03 Comments || Top||

#18  .com deserves some kind of award or at least a free beer or two for the graphics posted on Rantburg.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 18:12 Comments || Top||

#19  You know, flamethrowers are legal in my state. I wonder if that can be counted as a concealed weapon? I mean, I wouldn't want to walk unarmed amongst the little terrorists wanna be's at such a protest.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 01/19/2005 21:52 Comments || Top||

#20  JQC - :) I wish - fully 90+% are other people's work that I've snarfed up. And now, with my new 'puter, I've got plenty of storage space for it, lol!
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 21:57 Comments || Top||

#21  Bulldog, yea, it is photoshoped, the letter shapes should follow the path of the edges. I wonder what other inane thing was on the board originally. BTW, I am blonde, so I naturally enjoy blonde jokes. :-)

...Yes, I get them! :-)
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 22:10 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Two bombings rock Gwadar
QUETTA: Two small homemade bombs exploded in a bazaar in Gwadar, shattering windows, police said on Tuesday. No one was reported injured. The explosions occured about 15 minutes apart late on Monday. Mir Azad Baloch, spokesman of the Balochistan National Army, claimed responsibility for the explosions in a telephone call to the Quetta Press Club. Both bombs were planted in garbage bins in a street in Gwadar, said Shakil Durrani, a senior police official. Azad Baloch threatened more bombings if the government launches a military operation. Meanwhile, a rocket was fired at the FC camp in Nuskhi on Tuesday night but it fell near the district coordination officer's house. Nushki police said there was no loss of life or property.
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Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Communists want to oust Russian govt
MOSCOW: Russia's Communist Party mounted a campaign Tuesday to oust the government in a direct challenge to President Vladimir Putin following weeks of nationwide protests sparked by drastic cuts in social welfare benefits. The State Duma lower house of parliament's left wing said it would collect the 90 signatures required in the 450-seat chamber to hold a confidence vote on the year-old government of Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov. The challenge is unlikely to succeed because the chamber is dominated by the pro-Putin United Russia party that voted for the drastic cut in Soviet-era social benefits which sparked the largest protests of Putin's five-year rule. "I see no reason for the government to resign," said Duma speaker and United Russia chief Boris Gryzlov. "They are just playing politics," agreed his deputy Oleg Morozov.
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#1  Progrom against the communists staritn in 3...2...1...
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 5:57 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Chinese kidnapped?
An Iraqi group calling itself The Islamic Resistance Group in Iraq - al-Numan Brigades has posted a videotape on its website showing what it called eight Chinese captives and alleging that they were working with US forces in Iraq. A spokesman for the captors threatened to kill the eight Chinese within 48 hours unless China clarifies its role in Iraq. Also Tuesday, one of interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's candidates in the 30 January elections was killed in the southern city of Basra, officials in Baghdad and Basra said. The officials, who did not give the name of the victim, said he was killed on Tuesday morning. Fighters trying to derail Iraq's election have repeatedly attacked government officials and election workers.
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#1  Not to worry - the Chinese will pay.
Posted by: gromky || 01/19/2005 2:24 Comments || Top||

#2  The Chinese may even send 250 troops, like they did in Haiti, to shore up resolution against the insurgents from their 100 million man standing army... sure!!
Posted by: smn || 01/19/2005 3:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Technically about 2 million, actually.

But hmm ...
Posted by: Edward Yee || 01/19/2005 3:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Threy could easily threaten to send 10,000 soldiers,for every hostage not released within a specific timetable. It would improve relations with us, at the very least.
Posted by: plainslow || 01/19/2005 8:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Not much they can do. The reality is that most countries don't have very palatable options when their nationals are kidnapped. It doesn't make sense to risk the lives of hundreds of troops (if they're allowed in-country) to rescue 8 people. And if the Chinese knew where the hostages were, they would be better off having GI's carry out the rescue - that way some of the hostages actually make it out alive. I can almost guarantee that we have better intelligence in Iraq than the Chinese do.

The one thing they can do that we can't is talk to Saddam's henchmen (via backchannels), who are undoubtedly indebted to the Chinese for their assistance throughout the post-Desert Storm sanctions. These guys will want to keep good relations with the Chinese government in case they ever return to power. China can also work out a deal where they provide free weaponry to the guerrillas in exchange for their people.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/19/2005 10:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Nah, the Chinese will just have their ambassadors to Syria and Iran make a few calls and their boys will get released.
Posted by: Steve || 01/19/2005 10:31 Comments || Top||

#7  Steve: Nah, the Chinese will just have their ambassadors to Syria and Iran make a few calls and their boys will get released.

The French may have tried this. Still took a while to get their journos back.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 01/19/2005 10:35 Comments || Top||

#8  The criminals in Iraq, don't all have the same agenda. So no country is really safe from these kidnappings. The only thing people can do is make it not worth it for the criminals. Send trops. The one agenda they all have is get the coalition out. If they kidnap, and countries sent trouops, they would realize the kidnappings ain't working.
Posted by: plainslow || 01/19/2005 11:17 Comments || Top||

#9  As a negotiating tactic, convince the other side that there is something on the table they really didn't want (or intend) to have there... and then negotiate against that.
Posted by: Dishman || 01/19/2005 12:05 Comments || Top||

#10  Technically, you are correct Edward Yee (#3), the military's army is about 2 million, however I was simply refering to the vast potential of civilian male reserves between 18 and 40 that China could 'tap' in a draft of national security defense! And being sarcastic about their international help!
Posted by: Shaiter Spaiper1654 || 01/19/2005 15:38 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
PML Punjab official found murdered
LAHORE: Shaukat Abbas, the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) Punjab joint secretary, was found brutally murdered at his Ghaziabad house late on Tuesday night, a private television channel reported. The deceased's relatives told police that he had been missing for the last couple of days. Police tried to contact him at his house, but found that it was locked. Police broke in and discovered Mr Abbas cut to pieces in his bathroom. The motive behind the murder could not be known immediately.
Mrs Abbas, in the bathroom, with a axe
The deceased had married twice and was living in Lahore with his second wife while his first one lived in Gujrat with their three children.
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2 militants killed planting bomb
Two suspected militants were killed while planting a bomb by the roadside in Makeen, military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan told Daily Times on Tuesday. He said the two militants died as they left an improvised explosive device on a road used by government and military vehicles. Maj Gen Sultan said that the bomb exploded late on Monday and the security forces found the two bodies on Tuesday morning. He suspected that both militants were foreigners.
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#1  A picture of Wile E. Coyote after a bomb goes off in his face would also be appropriate.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 01/19/2005 12:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Also see story posted by tipper on "Natural selection in humans" on Rantburg page today.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 13:00 Comments || Top||

#3  He also suspected them of being morons. Details at 11:00pm.
Posted by: mmurray821 || 01/19/2005 18:56 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Rise in Hezbollah-Israel Violence Worries UN
The United Nations said yesterday it was gravely concerned about a flare-up of violence between Israel and Hezbollah, and called for restraint as the Lebanese Army said an Israeli plane violated its airspace. "The personal representative of the secretary-general for Lebanon Staffan de Mistura expressed his grave concern at the second serious incident involving violations of the Blue Line within the last eight days," a statement said. "(The United Nations) calls on all parties to exercise maximum restraint in order to achieve their stated intentions of maintaining calm."

On Monday, Lebanon's Hezbollah resistance fighters detonated a bomb next to an Israeli bulldozer in the disputed Shebaa Farms border area, south of the UN-delineated Blue Line frontier. It was the second such attack in just over a week. According to the United Nations, the Israeli response lasted some three hours, including artillery fire and aerial bombs across the region that wounded two Lebanese civilian women. The last bout of violence on Jan. 9 — a Hezbollah attack on a vehicle in Shebaa Farms and subsequent Israeli strikes — killed an Israeli officer, a French UN observer and a Hezbollah fighter. The two incidents follow some six months of relative calm in southern Lebanon, which Israeli forces occupied for 22 years until 2000.
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#1  We not just still money and do nothing --- we're world foremost terrorism enablers,
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 7:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Ooops. I meant steal
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 7:15 Comments || Top||

#3  You forgot they also talk, and hold conferences in 5-star hotels, and access accessors, oh and take credit for the work of others.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 01/19/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm impressed that the UN noticed. It is generally agreed that you can only represent 0, 1, 2, and 3 in what experts refer to as "binary code" with the typical UN employee's complement of 2 neurons - so this is a surprisingly complex thought. The UN SecGen Kofi Anonymous, notable for his claim to have a "high performance" 3 neuron brain, has called for immediate pay raises for all involved, thanking them for their dedication and hard work, and declaring "The World would be in some serious shit without the UN to save them and me to lead the effort. Now pony up the cash, you rich slackers." Some have recently noted that this is strikingly similar to all previously known statements made by Mr Anonymous whenever reporters are summoned to dwell momentarily in the radiant light of his presence.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 9:39 Comments || Top||

#5  the UN is just concerned that they might have to provide more UN SUV's and uniforms for the killers to use for attacks
Posted by: Frank G || 01/19/2005 10:55 Comments || Top||

#6  Rise in Hezbollah-Israel Violence Worries UN

Not that the UN is in any position to actually do something about this little problem....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 01/19/2005 12:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Memo to UN: You are a part of the problem not part of the answer.

In a world of a zillion reporters, why do we need the UN?
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 13:43 Comments || Top||

#8 
The United Nations said yesterday it was gravely concerned about a flare-up of violence between Israel and Hezbollah
Why?

Are they afraid Hezbollah won't be able to kill enough Jews?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 01/19/2005 20:15 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Situation in Sui normal now: Aziz
Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said on Tuesday that the situation in Sui was normal and gas was being restored to all parts of the country. Talking to Balochistan Chief Minister Jam Yousaf about the province's situation, he expressed satisfaction over the situation in Balochistan, saying the government wanted to restore gas as soon as possible so that the province could earn GST and royalty and the lives of the people would improve. The leaders also talked about setting up an industrial zone in Gwadar with the prime minister saying that work on the project would start soon and it would generate employment opportunities for the people of the area. Progress on all current development projects in Gwadar, Quetta, Chaman, Zhob and other areas was also reviewed. Balochistan Finance Minister Ehsan Shah and Health Minister Hafiz Hamadullah accompanied Jam Yousaf.

Meanwhile, thousands of Baloch tribesmen armed with weapons reached Dera Bugti after the provincial government requested the federal government to deploy federal security forces in the area. A VOA report on Tuesday said that about 20,000 to 25,000 Bugtis reached the area after FC contingents were sent to Dera Bugti. Law enforcement agencies have set up checkpoints in Sui and are monitoring people movement.
Yep. That sounds pretty normal.
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Israel-Palestine
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades Declares Partial Truce
The unofficial armed wing of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' ruling Fatah party announced last night that it will halt its attacks in Israel proper, starting within the next 48 hours. Zacharia Zubeidi, the Jenin commander of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, said his organization would also consider suspending its attacks in the West Bank if Israel likewise declared an end to its attacks. "If Israel declares a cease-fire ... then we will consider a complete cease-fire," Zubeida told Israel Channel One Television.

His announcement came shortly after Abbas announced he would incorporate the Al-Aqsa Brigades into the official Palestinian security forces to "protect" its members from being pursued by the Israeli Army. Zubeidi and his men backed Abbas during his election campaign and gave him a warm welcome during a visit to Jenin.
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#1  Wow! They've even got their own tshirts and everything!
Posted by: tu3031 || 01/19/2005 8:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Is that like a partial brain splatter or a partial amputation?

You can just see it coming. When the OTHER members of Al-Aqsa (the 2nd part of the first part) denies there is a truce:

We aren't the Judean Peoples Front! We're the People's Front of Judea!
Posted by: Jules 187 || 01/19/2005 9:36 Comments || Top||

#3  jules lol!!!
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#4  that it will halt its attacks in Israel proper

NOT good enough. This means they will continue attacks in the territories, since all settlers are considered legitimate targets, even 6 month old "settlers". No, you get no respite till you end ALL violence against Israelis EVERYWHERE.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 9:50 Comments || Top||

#5  good catch, LH.

I can't understand why anyone with a family would want to stay in the territories when Israel is offering to compensate them. I know, family farm and all that - but what kind of person exposes their wife and kids to that great of a risk on a daily basis??
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 9:53 Comments || Top||

#6  1. Uh, stiff necked people (am kishei oref)? Youre not chasing me out of here kind of people?
2. Its not like Israel "proper" is perfectly safe. And its not like it isnt possible to take precautions in a settlement.
3. People who think of settlement as how Israel "proper" was developed, and who see abandoning settlements in the "territories" as a denial of the entire enterprise of the state.

In any case the compensation stuff is still in progress - its not going to happen overnight, but over several months. And compensation is being offered only for settlers in Gaza, and the northern corner of the West Bank (near Jenin). There is currently NO disengagement from elsewhere in the West Bank, and thus no compensation.

Note well - Im NOT a big fan of the settlement ideology, or of the settlements (apart from those close to Israel "proper" which I think should be annexed). BUT - I know enough about such people, and have enough indirect connections, that their motives are NOT incomprehensible to me.

I wonder if this puzzles people here who think Im some kind of lefty cause I try to understand the motives of various not so nice people in the muslims world (not the terrorists, but the fence sitters who themselves sometimes sympathize with the terrorists, etc) since I also try to understand Israeli settlers and extremists.
Its not that im giving up my principles, so much as I think we understand more if we use our imaginations and try to see the world from a different POV - can even help us make better strategic decisions.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 10:05 Comments || Top||

#7  Back of tee-shirts reads, "Sponsored by Joe's Widget Company, We make the finests widgets".

Riddle me this: Why do they bitch about Abu Ghraib, where captives wear concrete bags over their heads, but in this picture, they put them on themselves?
Posted by: Captain America || 01/19/2005 10:12 Comments || Top||

#8  When Lynyrd Skynyrd fans attack... tonight on Fox.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 10:21 Comments || Top||

#9  Partial truce? Is that like partial pregnancy, non existant?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 10:27 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Saudi Surgeons Remove Toothbrush After 22 Years in Patient’s Stomach
A Saudi medical team removed a toothbrush from the stomach of a man who had swallowed it 22 years ago, the official SPA news agency reported yesterday. The toothbrush caused the 70-year-old patient no ill effects until a few days before he was operated on, said Dr. Abdulrahman Al-Zahrani, the head of the team at King Abdul Aziz Specialist Hospital in the western town of Taif. The operation was successful, Zahrani added.
A second, simpler operation is scheduled to remove the floss from his small intestine.
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#1  oh my gosh...if I go to OSR reading of rantburg...I will miss graphics like this one.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  And when they get past the floss, they'll be able to dislodge that tube of Crest from his colon...for that completely minty fresh feeling!
Posted by: smn || 01/19/2005 3:24 Comments || Top||

#3  What happened to the adult sized Operation game picture? That was strange on 4 levels.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/19/2005 8:33 Comments || Top||

#4  I linked directly to the picture on someone else's srever and they saw the bandwidth spike from RB and killed it...

:: grin ::
Posted by: Seafarious || 01/19/2005 10:36 Comments || Top||

#5  What kind of toothbrush? Mine never last that long.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 13:03 Comments || Top||

#6  LOL, just as I figured Em. Steal it outright to avoid such untoward events.
Posted by: Shipman || 01/19/2005 13:38 Comments || Top||

#7  I hope they have equal success in removing this gentleman's head from his ass.
Posted by: BH || 01/19/2005 14:04 Comments || Top||

#8  How did this guy know he swallowed a toothbrush 22 years ago? Is this one of these things where he said "Hey watch this shit...?
Posted by: John Q. Citizen || 01/19/2005 19:10 Comments || Top||

#9  So.... how much of a bandwidth spike are we talking about if we post a picture to Rantburg? I'm at the bottom of a 256K dyn DNS DSL; will my provider cancel me, or will the Rantburgers come after me out of frustration that my pic loads so slow?
Posted by: Asedwich || 01/19/2005 20:23 Comments || Top||

#10  I would guess it's the latter.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 20:25 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi candidates shot dead
Unknown assailants in southern Iraq have gunned down two more candidates running for the political coalition of interim prime minister Iyad Allawi in the 30 January elections. Alaa Hamid, who was running on Allawi's slate of candidates for the 275-member National Assembly, was shot dead Monday in the southern port city of Basra in front of his family. A second candidate, Riad Radi, was also shot dead. Radi was planning to run in a local race for Basra's provincial council on a list supported by Allawi's party. Masked gunmen fired on his car on Sunday as he was driving home.

Various Islamist groups opposed to holding elections while US troops remain in the country have warned candidates not to run. With less than two weeks until the vote, many candidates have not even announced they are running for fear of being attacked.
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#1  Sounds as through the Badr at back to work.
Posted by: Selma || 01/19/2005 5:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Islamic democracy: one man, one bullet; at work
Posted by: gromgorru || 01/19/2005 7:17 Comments || Top||

#3  does it really help SCIRI that much? - the elections are nationwide Prop. Rep, so if people are mainly voting based on the leaders, this shouldnt hurt Allawis votes. More likely the usual Sunni insurgents.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 9:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Not this time I'd wager, Lh. Have you read the al Jazeera article linked to above? The location suggests a higher chance of Shia perps being responsible, and Basra's the Iranian-inspired and Iranian thugs' turf. This was most likely Shia-on-Shia.

('Selma' was me, btw - tripping over cookies once again (was going to post something relating to Sideshow Bob and his German language tattoos yesterday, but never got round to hitting the button).)
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/19/2005 11:09 Comments || Top||

#5  never explane BD, its bad form
Posted by: half || 01/19/2005 16:26 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Kuwait detains 25 militants
Kuwait has arrested up to 25 Islamists, suspected of links to Al Qaeda and of being involved in a shootout with police, a security source said on Tuesday. The Arab state has stepped up security at oil and other vital installations after the latest in a series of clashes with security forces, saying militants had planned a major attack near Kuwait's largest oil refinery and a US military camp. Kuwait said on Monday up to 15 suspects had been arrested after the shootout on Saturday in the south of the oil-rich Gulf state. "As of Tuesday, authorities are holding up to 25 Kuwaiti and Saudi suspects for questioning," the source said.
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#1  The truth will set you free.

American Defense League is dedicated to American interests
Posted by: Slotle Sleager5568 || 01/19/2005 0:47 Comments || Top||

#2  The truth will set you free.

American Defense League is dedicated to American interests
Posted by: Slotle Sleager5568 || 01/19/2005 0:47 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Closures planned
Iraq is to close its borders, extend night curfews and restrict movement inside the country to protect voters, election officials said on Tuesday. Iraq's borders will be closed from 29 to 31 January except for Muslim pilgrims returning from the Haj in Saudi Arabia, according to a statement by Farid Ayar of Iraq's Independent Electoral Commission. Iraqis will be barred from travelling between provinces and a night-time curfew will be imposed, he said. Aljazeera also learned that clashes erupted on Tuesday between Iraqi soldiers and fighters on the main highway near al-Dura area, south of Baghdad. An Iraqi police source said there were casualties but gave no other details.
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#1  I hope this works!
Posted by: leaddog2 || 01/19/2005 5:24 Comments || Top||

#2  sounds like a good idea.
Posted by: Liberalhawk || 01/19/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Agreed...but, that would imply they CAN close the borders - something we can't even do here. I know, I know, every little bit helps.
Posted by: 2b || 01/19/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||

#4  I'm sure they can tighten up the borders (shoot, we could tighten up our borders), which implies increased difficulties for all kinds of smuggling currently going on. Good.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/19/2005 11:49 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
India says 100 rebels killed in revolt-hit Manipur
GUWAHATI: India's army said on Tuesday it had killed 126 separatist rebels and captured several hundred more in a crackdown begun three months ago in the revolt-hit northeastern state of Manipur. Since operations intensified in October, 459 rebels have been captured in Manipur, one of seven remote northeastern states that are hotbeds of ethnic and tribal fighting for autonomy or independence, the army said. Soldiers have smashed key rebel bases belonging to the outlawed United National Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), the People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup, the army said in a statement. "The rebels are on the run and we are getting full cooperation from Myanmar", which is preventing insurgents from sneaking across the border, the statement said.
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Three PAF men court-martialled
ISLAMABAD: Military courts have sentenced three PAF servicemen to prison for alleged links to Jaish-e-Muhammad, relatives of the men said on Tuesday. The trials were not announced, but relatives said they had taken place between October and December. Nasruminallah Khattak, 18, and Saeed Alam, 19, was sentenced to two years in prison. Munir Ahmed was given a nine-year sentence.
Given their ages, I'd assume they're all small fry.
Posted by: Fred || 01/19/2005 00:00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [1 views] Top|| File under:


'Accused will have to walk on fire to prove innocence'
MULTAN: Baloch tribesmen on Tuesday rejected the statement by an army officer that he was not involved in the gang-rape a female doctor in Sui and also rejected the government's offer of conducting a DNA test on him. The tribes said he would have to walk on burning coal to prove his innocence as per tribal traditions. "Capt Hammad repeatedly gave statements in the media while the Inter-Services Public Relations chief said he was innocent without inquiring into the gang-rape. Now, the government has also offered to conduct a DNA test on the officer, but we will acquit him only when he walks on burning coal without getting burnt as per tribal traditions," said Muhammad Bakhsh Mondrani, chief of the Mondrani tribe, at a press conference after a Kallar and Mondrani jirga met to review the situation. He said the administration had created the situation by refusing to register the gang-rape case and keeping the female doctor "unconscious by keeping her under anaesthesia". He alleged that the doctor's family was being pressured and harassed by the government to change their statement.
Emily, pass the A-1 sauce, wouldya?
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#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: languages TROLL || 01/19/2005 2:30 Comments || Top||

#2  What an ass.
Posted by: .com || 01/19/2005 2:32 Comments || Top||

#3  something about his yard of donkeys . . . if you please . . .

I think he stepped in something.
Posted by: cingold || 01/19/2005 2:44 Comments || Top||

#4  "languages" sez thus: si vu plai

Yes, .com, what an ass!
Posted by: Sobiesky || 01/19/2005 2:46 Comments || Top||

#5  In other news a troll (poor bastard) subscriber was found with his @$$ and mouth stuffed with coals.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 01/19/2005 5:28 Comments || Top||

#6  Nothing relevant , important or translatable .

Posted by: languages 2005-01-19 2:30:23 AM


Posted by: MacNails || 01/19/2005 6:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Oh. I thought the title was a quote from Barbara Boxer.
Posted by: Matt || 01/19/2005 8:53 Comments || Top||

#8  you are altering news.
fred vjeco maricon pince puto mammador de verga de burros
copiare e alterare testi e contro fbi regolamentazioni
and is also against interpol rules
si vu plai
Posted by: languages || 01/19/2005 2:30 Comments || Top||



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