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China-Japan-Koreas
Intel experts: N. Korea a ‘hard target’
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 09:56 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What would we do without experts?
Posted by: J Taranto || 03/22/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Hey, at least it's free. Imagine if we had to pay for it....
Posted by: Pappy || 03/22/2004 14:35 Comments || Top||

#3  I also heard somewhere that the unclouded sky is *gasp* blue!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Sheik al Hilaly shows his true colours
Condemn Palestine killing: Mufti
ISRAEL could not justify the assassination of the Palestinian Hamas spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his killing was not in the interests of the Israeli people, Australia’s Muslim leader said today.
showing his true colours. Well Done Israel, this is exactly what is needed. Yassin was the head of a terrorist organisation, and was directly responsible for many deaths. Wiping him away will save lives in the long run. Get rid of the extremist clerics and the terror organisations wither at the root.
The wheelchair-bound Yassin and seven others were killed as Israeli helicopters fired three missiles outside a Gaza City mosque yesterday. Seventeen people were wounded, including two of Yassin’s sons.
good riddance to bad rubbish
I hope their injuries are very painful...
Israeli security forces said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon personally ordered the helicopter attack against the cleric, whose death has drawn vows of dire revenge™ from Palestinians and condemnation from world leaders. Australia’s Mufti Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilaly said today the killing, and other assassinations before it by Israel, was not in the interests of Islamofascists Israelis. Nor would it achieve security for the people of the Middle East, he said in a statement released by his marionette spokesman Keysar Trad. "How can any person rationalise the murder of an elderly, incapacitated quadriplegic who has spent about 10 years of his life as a political prisoner in Israeli prisons?" Sheik Hilaly asked.
because despite his age and disability he is actively engaged in killing civilians. He has ordered suicide bombings and attacks against Israelis. He is a more legitimate target as the head of the operation than the able-bodied 16-year-old puppet that straps on the bomb belt. BUT FOR HIS ACTIONS hundreds of people Israelis and Palestinians would be alive today. He deserved to die and the world is a better place because of it. Any questions?
Sheik Al Hilaly also questioned how the slaying of civilians after their morning worship could be justified.
we’d much prefer you blow us up after dinner.
"It is height of injustice to remain silent over this crime. It is a crime that must be condemned in the strongest possible terms," he said.
i disagree
Mr Trad, who is also the director of the Australian Lebanese Muslim Association, said the Sydney Muslim community would mount a peaceful protest rally, possibly as early as the weekend.
oh god watch them reel in the ABC, SMH and the jew-hating, terrorist-loving left
He also said that, rather than make excuses for Israel, the Federal Government should strongly condemn the act of terror by Israeli forces.
Yes, let’s hand out sweets and ululate instead, eh?
"These people have always condemned acts of violence from the Palestinian side. The Australian government and every government should call it (the attack on Yassin) for what it is," Mr Trad said.
a legitimate attack on a military target? Oh are you trying to say that is equivalent to blowing up a bus full of school children? A man whose priorities are so far out of whack...
"What makes it relevant to the community over here is the statements, or lack thereof, by the political leaders in this country." Mr Trad said Muslim Australians, many of whom he said would contact their local MPs to express their discontent, were shocked and outraged by the attack.
well go home and become a jihadi then
Many people considered Yassin to be a voice of moderation, a calming influence on many of Hamas members, he said.
many people like who?
They never mentioned that while he was alive, 'cause he'd have had them killed...
"To hear so many people in the Israeli Government boasting about this ... It’s one of the most cowardly acts of terror that the world has witnessed."
more cowardly than intentionally blowing up a bus full of civilians... more cowardly than brainwashing kids to love the idea of blowing themselves up in order to murder others...
Mr Trad said only bringing Sharon to trial would prevent an ugly backlash from Palestinian communities over the assassination. "There is a belief among Arabs ... that Sharon would not have done this unless he had a US approval," he said.
yes the evil empire strikes again
There's a belief among Arabs that jinns wreak havoc unless the local holy man gets a big donation. There's a belief among Arabs that if you boom yourself on a busload of Jews you go to heaven and get 72 flat-chested 12-year-olds for eternity. Arabs believe all sorts of strange things.
"I think it is going to be a very ugly time ahead unless the Israeli people do something very quickly to bring to trial Sharon for authorising this assassination."
Bring it on, Sunshine. You will find that when you wake the sleeping giant he can crush all the little ants with one big smack of his fist.
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/22/2004 8:53:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I definitely hope the US government approved. It sure gets my vote :*
Posted by: Hyper || 03/22/2004 21:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Like good old Santa Claus, I hope we are keeping close track of what every one says and does. Events like this will, indeed, cause the "sleeper" asshats to react emotionally - and expose themselves.

He's making a list and checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty and nice...
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||

#3  The Israelis took great pains to avoid collateral damage. They could have thrown a couple of hundred kg of bombs in the area and levelled the whole thing. But that is not how they operate. If Hamas starts to get frisky, they will get another smackdown. A real hard one. And another. And another. Until Hamas runs out of leaders, gunnies, cannon fodder, and/or enthusiasm.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||


Madman’s smoke and mirrors
This is truly bizarre
THE marijuana fumes drifting from Willie Brigitte’s locked room were unmistakable to newlywed Melanie Brown.
"Whoa! Smells like weed!"
Melanie Brown ... married Brigitte 13 days after meeting him.
"Hi, there, handsome! What's your name? Wanna get hitched?"
She asked her husband, who had once sermonised on the evils of the drug, where it had come from. He admitted to smoking it. "Willie told me he wanted to divert the attention of police," she told French interrogators in Paris earlier this year in transcripts obtained by The Daily Telegraph. "He said that it was a facade to trick Australian anti-terrorist police. A person who smokes drugs could not be suspected of being a radical Muslim."
"Thash right, bebby! If I'm, like, whacked outta my mind all the time, they won' realizhe I'm a innernational criminal mastermind!"
But for Brown, the former Australian soldier who wed Brigitte to fulfil her duty as a freshly converted Muslim, it was another confounding side to her complex, secretive and highly paranoid spouse.
"Hello, Mom? Hey, my old man's really weird!"
In the six weeks that they lived together since their marriage on August 30, Brown threatened to leave the Frenchman several times due to the constant lies, duplicity and control he tried to exert over her. She eventually concluded he had lost his mind. "Willie Brigitte seemed completely mad to me," she said.
"A nut. A loon. We're talkin' major bonkers!"
"For example, he said that non-believers had to die and that it was necessary to kill all those who attack Muslims. I regarded him as an extremist religious Muslim but I couldn’t connect him with a specific group."
"That's because I'm not very bright."
"My husband represented a danger. That is why I refused to give him any confidential information I had in my possession."
"A little nookie — okay. But none o' that confidential information!"
Arriving in Sydney on May 16, Brigitte was taken in by Pakistani Faheem Khalid Lodhi, also known as Hamza and identified by French investigators as the chief of an al-Qaeda-linked terror cell in Sydney. Hamza introduced the Rastafarian Frenchman to a Senegalese Muslim Mamadou Ndaw (aka Mohamed). Ndaw secured a job for Brigitte at the halal restaurant where he worked, Island Dreams. Brigitte told Ndaw he needed a wife, quickly. Ndaw set up a meeting with Melanie Brown, a friend of his fiance Miriam. They met on Sunday, August 17 at the home of Brown’s "religious protector", the Syrian Ahmed al-Wash. They married 13 days later. "Willie thought martyrdom was the most beautiful thing in the world," she said.
"I preferred sex. We had problems from the start."
"I listened to his monologue describing a martyr’s death as an apogee."
"There I was, nekkid as an egg, except for the bunny ears and a pair of fluffy pink slippers! So what does he talk about? Exploding! I tried to explain to him that there's a difference between 'boom' and 'boom-boom.' He wouldn't listen. He said he'd have to try them both to see which one was better, but he was gonna do the short one first."
Brigitte would expand on his beliefs during his interrogation in Paris. "I want to serve Allah until I die and to spread the word ... Insha Allah," he said. "It is important to sacrifice one’s life ... and to discover how to earn the ticket to paradise and escape hell with the help of God on high."
"I am, like, sooooo stoned! Is there any more of that giggle juice, man?"
But his Australian wife doubted he would follow through on his words: "I first thought that my husband could have had enough desire and courage to be a martyr. Now, having lived with him for six weeks, and thinking about all the lies he told me, I think he would have sent somebody else in his place."
"That's what he did in our bedroom, anyway: Mahmoud, Ahmed, Abdullah, Bob, that guy with the hat..."
Brown, 26, said Brigitte began acting strangely from the outset. "He was very paranoid," she said. "In the street he asked me to dress in such a way that I would be able to respond to an attack. He was scared of all non-believers."
"Yeah! You gotta dress in ninja clothes, baby! That's so you can protect me! I'm an important man, y'know. Gimme s'more o' that grass! I think the cops are getting suspicious!"
"Undoubtedly he was frightened about things he had on his conscience, but he did not say what." She added: "At any rate, if I had asked for explanations, he would have lied to me."
"He had to keep putting his lips back on. It was very disconcerting!"
Alone in their flat, Brigitte was often in his room, tapping away at the laptop which he kept hidden from his wife. "He had a laptop and a black travel bag with wheels which was closed all the time. I saw a tae kwan do magazine which I flicked through," she recalled. When Brigitte found her, he told Brown never to go near the bag again.
"Stay the hell out o' my stash, damn you! Now, gimme them joints!"
Brigitte’s close friends, mostly from Sydney’s Pakistani community, told him his soldier-wife was not to be trusted. "He told me that these people found me to be nasty and that they considered me to be a spy," she said.
"Yes! A spy! Prob'ly for the CIA! We should kill her!"
Brigitte’s only guests, Brown told the French inquisitors, were men whom he never introduced to her. They gathered in his room for regular clandestine meetings. Conversation was in whispers. Phone calls were mostly in French. When he had an English conversation on the phone, he would move to another room. During their six weeks together before Brigitte’s arrest, they only went outside the flat together twice: once to Brighton Beach in Botany Bay and once to Bankstown shopping centre. "During this walk, he absolutely insisted that I only stay to his right," Brown said. "This seemed to me to be positioning to protect me against what might happen to me."
"I mentioned this to him, but he said he was only teaching me to walk at heel..."
Brown said Brigitte, who was born on the French Caribbean outpost of Guadaloupe, was a compulsive prevaricator. "Willie duped me," she said. "He lied to me all along the way." Brigitte told Brown he had a working visa. It was a tourist visa.
"He told me he was 6 foot 2, but he was only 5 foot 4. He said he was blonde. His hair was black..."
To get the visa extended, Brigitte had Brown draw up an affidavit within days of their marriage, in which Brown undertook to cover his financial needs.
I need some dough, baby!"
"How much do you need, sweetie?"
"128,000."
"Right. I'll sell my Mom's house."
Brigitte had told authorities he had lost his passport. But he showed Brown his old passport, with the Pakistani visa. Brown then suspected Willie had trained there for the military jihad. But, she told French interrogators, her sense of duty to her husband, as dictated by Muslim scriptures, stopped her from reporting her suspicions.
"I mean, really, he coulda just been taking in the sights and the friendly faces of Olde Peshawar!"
But it was Brigitte’s persistent questions about her military background that alarmed Brown. "If I didn’t answer his questions on military subjects he got angry," she said. "Willie asked me if I knew Pine Gap and I told him I did, but I also realised that there was also an American base there," she said. "He looked at me and gave me a nod of approval because he knew that there was this base there." Brown was sufficiently worried to burn three notebooks detailing her tour of East Timor as an encryption specialist with the army’s electronic warfare unit.
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Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 20:33 Comments || Top||

#2  troll
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Tapping away at the laptop without letting his wife see . . . maybe he's looking at some of those Islamic XXX sites . . . you know, the ones with the women sometimes showing an entire ankle.

Weird doesn't begin to describe it. And you're right, she doesn't seem too bright: she converted, and then she married some guy she'd only known for thirteen days.

Only place in the US where you see that is Hollywood.
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 20:52 Comments || Top||

#4  She was a professional Jewish lesbian or something before she found herself and got religion. I'd put her on the fruitcake shelf, too.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 21:14 Comments || Top||

#5  As an aussie i find this very disturbing.

He may very well have had access to Australian military secrets: worse, encryption and e-warfare secrets - despite that Melanie Brown is trying to cover her arse now and pretend she told him nothing.

Who knows how many Islamofascists he's passed those details onto?
Posted by: Anon1 || 03/22/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#6 
Because I am so busy lately I can only read things hit and miss, but I am certainly glad I saw this. I read it with a growing sense of amazement and arched eyebrows...concluding in the end that people will be people, (Meaning people will be nuts...lol)

But the Frisking by Tipper was really great. Thanks for the work you did on this.

Best Wishes,


Posted by: Traveller || 03/22/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Either Willie was just really, really great in the sack, or Melanie was really, really desparate.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 21:49 Comments || Top||

#8  Unless he used quite a bit of Visene before each interview with his handlers, I find it hard to believe that this obviously un-hinged bozo held a position of power in any terrorist organization. Whas it like, "Honey, turn down the Hendrix for me I'm taking an important call from Pakistan."
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 23:43 Comments || Top||

#9  lol! Funny thread
Posted by: B || 03/23/2004 7:48 Comments || Top||


Brigitte linked to Madrid bombings, 9/11
French investigators interrogating Willy Brigitte have established he had connections with the organisers of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre as well as the March 11 Madrid terror attacks. He has told them he was sent to Sydney to allegedly help a locally based terror group to "prepare a terrorist act of great size". Brigitte's "mission" was to look after an explosives expert from Chechnya who would be smuggled into Australia posing as a fan of the Georgian team in the Rugby World Cup.

But Keysar Trad, a spokesman for the Lebanese Australian Muslims Association, said Brigitte's alleged admissions to French counter-terrorism agents could have been the result of intense interrogation and drug use. In an interview with The Daily Telegraph today, Brigitte's Australian wife Melanie Brown said he had admitted to smoking marijuana "as a facade to trick Australian police".
"Yeah! Like, that's why we dunnit, man! Just t'fool the coppers!"
"Marijuana users escape into their imagination and have hallucinations," Mr Trad said. "His wife says he fools the cops uses marijuana regularly. We haven't seen anything to substantiate these allegations, but for someone who's a heavy marijuana user, you wonder whether he just couldn't work things out after the intense interrogation."

Earlier today, Attorney-General Phillip Ruddock said ASIO had neither confirmed nor denied it had launched a search for the Chechen explosive expert. "I can't comment on the status of ongoing inquiries. I can't confirm or deny the status of them," he said. Mr Ruddock said Australia was not about to adopt an approach like that in France where investigators routinely revealed details of their inquiries. "They (the French) have a different system which they operate which gives them different powers. "It may suit France's circumstances. It wouldn't be in our view helpful to pursue that approach here." Mr Ruddock said anyone seeking to recruit or train terrorists in Australia would be dealt with by the authorities.

Brigitte, now being held in Paris's Chateau d'If Fleury-Merogis prison, has told French investigators about alleged terrorist activities in Sydney by Australian-based terrorists. Australian and French authorities are trying to verify his statements. He has claimed a terror network - at least in an informal sense - is operating in western Sydney and is charged with recruiting people for jihad operations against non-Muslims. He has named several people and the man he claims is at the centre of the operation and who is believed by French investigators to be connected with some of the most notorious terrorists in the world. Abdul Salam Mohammed Zoud, the imam who presided over Brigitte's wedding to Melanie Brown last August, has been named as the chief recruiter of Australia's jihad network. In Sydney yesterday, Sheik Zoud denied he was the "chief recruiter". "I have no part in it," he said.
"Nope. Nope. I'm just a simple holy man! Who y'gonna believe? Me? Or some guy in the calaboose?"
In the dossier, Judge Bruguiere requests a joint investigation by the two countries into Brigitte and the foiled Sydney plot. Brigitte's terror network placed him in close contact with the leaders of the jihad against Jews and Western interests in France, Belgium, Britain, Spain, Australia and a dangerous terror cell in the US. He has also been linked to terror groups that organised the assassination of an Afghan commander. The dossier portrays him as a link figure in the world terror network with connections to groups behind the March 11 Madrid massacre and September 11. The French request to Australia says Brigitte's potential targets included Lucas Heights nuclear reactor, the Australian Army's administrative compound at Victoria Barracks and the Perth headquarters of Australia's SAS regiment. The French believe Brigitte was also targeting US military bases, the Pine Gap intelligence base and nuclear sites. He was found with a map of Australian and US military and nuclear installations. The dossier also lists the names of the people claimed by Brigitte to be leading figures of Sydney's Islamic terror network. At its heart is Sheik Zoud, the spiritual head of the Haldon St prayer hall that for the past year has been under surveillance by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation.

According to a request for judicial assistance from Australian authorities by French anti-terrorist judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere, Sheik Zoud has connections with terror chiefs stretching from Virginia in the US to London and Madrid. In the request he is named as "the recruiter in Australia of volunteers for the jihad, operating from the Mousalla mosque of Lakemba". Sheik Zoud is said to have links to Abu Dahdah, the jailed kingpin of a Spanish terror cell alleged to have helped plan the September 11 attacks. Dahdah was also the mentor of Jamal Zougam, chief suspect in the Madrid train bombings that killed 202 people in Europe's worst terrorist atrocity earlier this month. CIA investigations into a major terror cell in Virginia have established Sheik Zoud was regularly in contact with the cell's alleged chief recruiter Ali Timimi. Brigitte's commander in the Sydney network is named as Faheem Khalid Lodhi, also known as Hamza. According to Judge Bruguiere's letter to his Australian judicial counterparts, Brigitte's job in Sydney was to harbour a Chechnyan explosives expert, believed to be Abu Salah. Brigitte met Salah during his jihad training at the Faisalabad, Pakistan terror camp of the al-Qaeda-linked extremist group Lashkar-e-Taiba in September 2001.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:14:42 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Marijuana users escape into their imagination and have hallucinations,"

Must be some seriously killer weed.
Posted by: Raptor || 03/22/2004 9:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Down Under must be very attractive to the Isalmakooks. It looks like Zawahiri either tried or did actually reside there. My impression was always that Australia would be a bad place to hide for a person of Arab descent that spoke English as a 2nd or third language. My mind-set that it is access in and out of the area would be easy to monitor due to limited points of entry may have been unduly prejudiced by the board game Risk.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#3  SH - LOL only one transit point to Asia - through Siam...I still have the original version with the white-bread Milton Bradley-looking family on the cover and wood army pieces
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||


Europe
Four more held over Madrid attack
The Spanish authorities have arrested four more people in connection with the 11 March Madrid bombings which left 202 people dead and hundreds injured. However, a Moroccan man who was being held has now been freed without charge. The total number of people being held is now 13, some of whom are due to appear in court later this week. Four of those detained last week now face terrorism charges, and will remain in jail while investigators gather more evidence, AP reports. Investigators in Spain have arrested 14 people since 11 March, including seven Moroccans, two Indians and a Spaniard. Four people were charged on Monday, after being questioned for a number of hours at the High Court, the Associated Press news agency reports.

The Madrid attacks and terror threats have topped the agenda at a range of meetings by security organisations and leaders. European Union foreign ministers met on Monday to discuss the fight against terrorism ahead of the EU summit later this week. The ministers unveiled tough measures to prevent terrorist attacks, urging member states to mobilise all their resources, including military ones, to deal with the threat. Twenty-five senior police officers from current and future EU countries are holding a conference in the Irish capital, Dublin, and senior intelligence officials from the five largest EU countries are meeting in Madrid.
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Poland detains two Pakistanis
Polish police detained two Pakistanis in central Warsaw as part of heightened security across Europe in the wake of the deadly train bombings in Madrid, police said on Monday. A police spokesman declined to comment on a newspaper report which said officers on Sunday found maps in the apartment occupied by the two men aged 32 and 44 marking out airports, a synagogue and some embassies in Warsaw. “As part of security procedures the two individuals were detained for in-depth questioning to establish their status and purpose of their stay in Warsaw,” the spokesman said. Poland fears that it may be a target for an attack on its civilians by Islamic extremists, because it supported the US-led invasion of Iraq and is part of the occupation force.
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Swiss Arrest Riyadh Bomb Suspect
Swiss authorities have arrested an “important” suspect in the May 2003 suicide bombings on expatriate housing compounds in Riyadh that claimed 35 lives, a press report said yesterday. The arrest took place in December but was kept secret to avoid undermining the investigation, Andrea Sadecky, spokeswoman of the Swiss secret service, told the weekly SonntagsBlick. The suspect remains in detention, she said, without elaborating.
"I can say no more! Want some chocolate? How 'bout a watch? Wanna hear me yodel?"
Swiss authorities announced the arrests of eight other foreigners in January. Attorney General Valentin Roschacher said last month that the eight, one of whom was released this month, were not directly implicated in the attacks but were suspected of providing logistical support to the Al-Qaeda network. The report comes after an international anti-terrorism investigation code-named “Mont Blanc” caught dozens of suspected Al-Qaeda members and disrupted at least three planned attacks in Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.
It's that vaunted Swiss efficiency. I like that...
The investigators disrupted the attacks after monitoring conversations between terror suspects using Swisscom chips, which were popular among terrorists because they could buy them without giving their names. The investigation began in April 2002 when authorities intercepted a short mobile phone call that consisted only of silence. The investigators became suspicious, believing it to be a signal between terrorists. Investigators said they were able to follow the conversations and movements of several Al-Qaeda leaders and dozens of operatives for two years after discovering the suspects favored one particular brand of prepaid SIM card chip. “They thought these phones protected their anonymity, but they didn’t,” a senior intelligence official said.
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The hunt for Zougam's cell goes on
On a quiet Sunday afternoon, the ancient Madrid neighborhood of Lavapiés is a picture of European multiculturalism. Spanish matrons with sprayed helmets of golden hair stroll arm in arm with husbands wearing black berets. A young man with a purple mohawk sips coffee after coffee. Nearby, a few Nigerians lean against a wall, telling stories of the night before. Young Moroccans drift buoyantly down the street. On several nights last week, however, the neighborhood that has long been a haven for Muslim immigrants looked more like a battleground. The police raided Moroccan-owned shops for evidence in the Madrid terror bombings. Investigators hunted witnesses. Handcuffed suspects, hooded with garbage bags, were hustled into waiting cars.

The battle that broke into the open in Lavapiés is being fought in shadows all over Europe, as the police and intelligence agents confront the growing numbers of Islamic militants who blend easily with other immigrants from North Africa, the Middle East and elsewhere. The unfolding Spanish investigation has shown that the terrorists continue to exploit a tactical advantage. The militants operate in an ever-changing constellation of cells, moving freely from country to country across the continent, guided by opportunity and fanaticism. The agents tracking them are constrained by jurisdictional and bureaucratic boundaries. Intelligence is far too infrequently shared, investigators say, often leaving information about dangerous militants woefully incomplete. "There is an enormous amount of information, but much of it gets lost because of the failures of cooperation," Baltasar Garzón, the Spanish investigative judge, said in an interview. "We are doing maybe one-third of what we can do within the law in fighting terrorism in Europe. There is a lack of communication, a lack of coordination, and a lack of any broad vision."

At least three of the suspects in the Madrid attacks were known to European and Arab intelligence officials for some time. One suspect, a 30-year-old Moroccan named Jamal Zougam, raised suspicions in Spain, Morocco and France, consorted with militant leaders from at least five countries and had his home searched by the police, yet was never thoroughly investigated. He has denied any involvement in the bombings. Mr. Zougam's ability to maneuver on the fringes of scrutiny was hardly unique. Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, another young Moroccan named Mohamed Daki, who was living in Germany, acknowledged to the police that he knew members of the Hamburg cell that planned the attacks. But the authorities did not track him. He resurfaced last April near Milan, where the Italian authorities charged him with conspiring to recruit terrorists to fight against Americans in Iraq. Suicide bombers were replaced by triggering devices engineered with cheap cellphones. While disciples of Osama bin Laden are known for favoring symbolism in their targets, these plotters seemed more political. The Madrid attackers struck just three days before the Spanish elections, which dislodged a government that supported the American-led invasion of Iraq. When Mr. Zougam arrived in court after five days incommunicado, he reportedly asked the clerks, "Who won the elections?"
That fits with the al-Qaeda document that the Norwegians found indicating that whole point behind this whole atrocity was to engineer a Socialist win.
The tactical shift that seemed to concern intelligence officials most was the silence of the terrorists. Officials noted an eerie absence of the communications "chatter" usually detected in the days before and after attacks. "It was the quiet that was so odd," one intelligence official said. "It was so quiet, so quiet. We haven't seen that before."

"Al Qaeda's European infrastructure has always been far more ingrained and widespread than their presence in North America," said Matthew A. Levitt, a senior fellow in terrorism studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Eventually, Europe became a staging area for terrorism — most notably the Sept. 11 attacks, planned in Germany and Spain. Afterward, as the Europeans swept up hundreds of suspected terrorists, intelligence officials began to fear attacks on their own soil. Initially, intelligence agencies showed an unusual cooperation in defusing several plots. As pressure on Al Qaeda's leadership mounted, the militants adapted. Radical imams took their message underground. Muslim extremists appeared to regroup into smaller, more transient cells, intelligence officials say, with fewer discernible ties to the Qaeda hierarchy. New groups emerged and new associations developed among established ones. In recent months, officials say, Ansar al Islam, the militant group that was entrenched in northern Iraq before the war, has reasserted itself in Europe, recruiting operatives to fight in Iraq. The officials say the move reflects an alliance forged between Ansar and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a bin Laden confederate who American officials say is behind a recent series of deadly bombings in Iraq. "As Al Qaeda's superstructure was taken down, one option was to press in new directions, put resources somewhere else," said a senior American counterterrorism official. "One of these directions now seems to be Ansar."

The more diffuse terror threat played into the weaknesses of the Europe's patchwork intelligence system. "The problem with intelligence in Europe is that we are far too bureaucratic and fragmented across borders," said a senior German intelligence official. "Our security is much less integrated than our business or transportation infrastructures. We also have many different languages, while the terrorist cells all speak Arabic. The extremists also move relatively freely across borders. In this sense, ironically, they are more European than we are." For years, European officials have talked about the need for a central repository for information about terrorist groups, but agencies have been reluctant, officials say. "If the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. are fighting constantly about information, how do you think it is with the French and the Germans?" said one Spanish official. At a European Union meeting in Brussels on Friday, counterterrorism officials agreed to appoint a "terrorism czar" to facilitate sharing of information about suspected terrorists. But even last week, German officials were furious that Spain had initially refused to divulge the type of explosives used in the Madrid bombings.

In this atmosphere, perhaps it is not surprising that many suspects slipped through the cracks. One was Mohamed Daki, a 38-year-old Moroccan man, who came to Germany on a student visa to study engineering. According to the German authorities, Mr. Daki never enrolled in college, but he did find his way to Al Quds mosque in Hamburg, where he met members of the Qaeda cell that planned the Sept. 11 attacks. Beate Ragi, whose husband was a friend of Mr. Daki, said in an interview: "My husband admired Daki because he was a true believer. He had visions and spoke in tongues." When the German police questioned Mr. Daki three weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, he acknowledged that he knew members of the cell and that one of them, a fugitive named Ramzi bin al-Shibh, was registered as his roommate, according to German court documents. "I know why I am here," Mr. Daki said when the police took him in for questioning, according to transcripts of his interrogation. But Mr. Daki apparently lied when asked whether a second suspect in the Sept. 11 plot was also registered at his apartment. German officials now acknowledge that they never investigated further. With no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Daki, the German police let him go. But, officials now concede, they also lost track of him. And, apparently, his name was not added to any international list of suspicious persons. Mr. Daki became another itinerant militant moving across Europe, intelligence officials said. He apparently attracted no attention in the spring of 2002 when he moved from Hamburg to Milan where Italian investigators say they suspect Mr. Daki eventually joined a Qaeda-related venture: recruiting fighters to take up arms against the American-led invasion of Iraq.

Although American and European intelligence officials say they suspect the recruitment is linked to Mr. bin Laden through Mr. Zarqawi, it is not clear that Mr. Daki had any high-level contacts. Even so, just as he had become ensnared in a terrorism investigation in Hamburg in 2001, he fell under suspicion in Milan last March. The Italian authorities tracking the Milan cell eavesdropped on a call Mr. Daki had received from a man in Syria who had been in frequent contact with the Milan cell. His message was urgent: Mr. Daki and others had been detected and should flee. "Listen to me attentively," the caller said, according to Italian police transcripts. "Wait for my call. Move yourself to France and await orders." The caller was Abderazek Mahdjoub, a resident of Hamburg who also had ties to Sept. 11 hijackers. Italian officials have charged that Mr. Mahdjoub, operating from Hamburg, headed the Milan cell. Eighteen months after Mr. Daki was first questioned in Hamburg, he was charged with aiding the Milan cell's logistics and forging documents. "Looking back," said one Hamburg police investigator, "I would say that we should have asked more pointed questions than we did."

European intelligence officers have asked questions about Jamal Zougam for at least four years. But they did not begin to get all of the answers until the Madrid attacks. Mr. Zougam, the most noted of the 10 suspects arrested so far in the Madrid bombings, appears from court records and intelligence files to be a kind of militant Zelig — shuttling between Morocco and Spain, befriending prominent extremists in several countries and worshiping with two well-known radical clerics. By the time French investigators asked Spain for information about Mr. Zougam, he had already been detected in the intercepted telephone calls with the accused head of a Qaeda cell in Spain, Imad Eddin Barakat Yarkas. In June 2001, the Spanish police searched Mr. Zougam's apartment and found telephone numbers and other information that showed his ties to other suspected members of Mr. Yarkas's cell. How Mr. Zougam escaped the net is not entirely clear. Spanish court documents suggest he had frequent contact with Mr. Yarkas, but one Spanish investigator described him as "a follower, a secondary figure." Another Spanish law-enforcement official said the police focused more directly on Mr. Zougam in 2002, but by then he had grown notably more cautious about using the telephone. He apparently had many phones to use. The Spanish official said it was probably no accident that Mr. Zougam and one of his confederates, Said Chedadi, were both linked to the sale of falsified telephone cards and the fraudulent use of cellphones. "They may have 20 phone cards to use," the official said. "You might get up on one or two, but even then it is extremely difficult to follow them. One of them will say, `Let's go eat cherries at the usual place.' But what are `cherries?' What is `eating?' What is the `usual place?' You have to analyze the voices, the codes, who is who. Every new phone number you get leads you to 10 more phones that talk to that person. Very quickly it becomes 100 phones, and you have to do paperwork every month to justify the surveillance on each phone."

Like other Western governments, Spain has few Arabic speaking agents and little capacity to infiltrate militant cells. None of the intelligence services that took note of Mr. Zougam rang what sounded like an alarm to the Spanish authorities. "It was all fairly vague," one Spanish official said. In the aftermath of the Madrid bombings, fingers were pointing all around. A French official said it took months for the Spanish to address their initial request for information about Mr. Zougam. Spanish officials insisted they were the only ones that pursued him seriously. A Moroccan official said the Spanish were told early last summer that Mr. Zougam was "very dangerous," but did not get back to them to ask any question — until after the bombs in Madrid. "We're facing challenges we didn't face before," said Judge Garzón, the Spanish magistrate. "If we don't act, if we don't make changes in real time, we are going to be lost."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:19:46 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We also have many different languages, while the terrorist cells all speak Arabic. The extremists also move relatively freely across borders. In this sense, ironically, they are more European than we are."

Now there is a chillingly accurate statement. Or should I say, prediction?
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 7:04 Comments || Top||

#2  This article proves the point that I made the other day. The intelligence services put too much stock into collecting information, rather than using the information they have to crack down on the bad guys and remove the threat they pose to society.

I don't believe they just accidently let this guy go. Rather, I think they let him go, but didn't have the resources to properly follow him. That he WAS asscociated with terrorists was, IMHO a no-brainer. While there is merit to letting the bad guys go and following them to their leaders - this story clearly shows the limits.

The "quiet, almost too quiet" of the terrorists on this attack shows that they have adapted to our monitoring their chatter. Articles like this one provide, IMHO, too much information to the terrorists and only helps them more.

There is a balance between collecting information and USING the information to accomplish an end goal. Clearly, in this case, the ideal to collect information, rather than to use it (ie: remove the terrorist threat) went astray.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 7:16 Comments || Top||

#3  All of which B is exactly why any purely defensive approach to fighting terrorism is doomed to failure.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/22/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#4  11A5S - I completely agree.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#5 
a 38-year-old Moroccan man, who came to Germany on a student visa to study engineering. According to the German authorities, Mr. Daki never enrolled n college, .... When the German police questioned Mr. Daki three weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, .... With no evidence of wrongdoing by Mr. Daki, the German police let him go.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||

#6  The signal to noise ratio must be a very low number in a loose federation of countries that speak different languages and historically have fought each other in various wars throughout the centuries. Expectations don't seem to be as high for their intelligence groups. Had the bombing happened in the US, the press would be screaming for the heads of the CIA, NSA and FBI.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 23:48 Comments || Top||


Zapatero wants to alter war on terror
Spain's newly elected Socialist leader seeks not only to bring Spanish troops home from Iraq but to transform the war on terrorism from a battle fought with soldiers to one fought with spies.
"Yeah, that's it, we'll spy on them, heh-heh."
Accused by the Bush administration of caving in to terrorists, Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriquez Zapatero told Spain's leading daily newspaper that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a "great error" that has aggravated the terrorist threat. Good intelligence, not military action, is the key to success, Zapatero told El Pais.
Ummm... What do you do with the good intel when you've got it? Or is he talking about using secret agents with licenses to kill hunting the Bad Guys down and eliminating them one by one? I kinda doubt it. That's not intel, by the way; it's special operations, even though Jaime Bondo would be described by Rooters as a "spy."
"War is the last recourse, and in all cases, it is only an instrument of containment between countries, but never can it be an effective method for eliminating or fighting fanatic, radical or criminal groups," he said.
Just ask any Gepid.
"I trust that the U.S. administration will listen and understand that what has happened in Iraq is proof that this is not the way, that this path is mistaken."
What's that saying, war has never solved anything, other than slavery, fascism, communism, imperialism ...
Zapatero's position directly challenges the Bush administration's military-intensive approach to the war on terrorism. The emerging disagreements with Spain represent Washington's deepest rift with a European ally since France took the lead in opposing Bush's Iraq policy last year. Alluding to Zapatero's determination to withdraw its 1,300 troops from Iraq, Bush told diplomatic leaders Friday, "Any sign of weakness or retreat simply validates terrorist violence."
Neville Zapatero?
Zapatero's remarks came on the eve of a European Union conference of security ministers in Madrid to discuss strategies for combating terrorism and three days before a memorial service in Madrid to be attended by British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The newspaper El Mundo reported that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac would also attend. Zapatero's incoming Socialist government on Sunday rejected an offer for talks from the Basque separatist group ETA. The rebel group praised Zapatero's plan to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq and said he should also drastically change policy on the issue of Basque autonomy.
Wait til ETA sets off a really big bomb, see what Zappie says then.
Although the devastating bombing of four crowded commuter trains was immediately dubbed "Europe's Sept. 11," there were key differences in the method of attack and the reaction. After Sept. 11, Bush outlined a five-front war on terrorism, but his key action was military: the dispatch of troops to Afghanistan.
The writer obviously doesn't pay much attention to diplonews...
In Spain, the operative word since the bombings has been paz, or surrender peace, placed on signs at demonstrations and in notes left at the train station near where the explosions occurred. The key action, stated by Zapatero immediately after his election victory, was not the deployment of troops but the decision to bring them home.
Sorta says it all, doesn't it?
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 12:07:34 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah....Zapatero just signed off on the death sentences of hundreds or thousands of folk inhabiting Spain as ETA blasts it way to Basque independence, and al-Qa'ida hurries up that Spaniardi withdrawal from Iraq with another mass casualty event or two. IF the Spaniards have an impeachment process, look for them to toss Zapatero before year's end.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Question is, who's going to be the coalition partners for Zappie and the PSOE in the gov't? They need at least two parties to join them, as I recall the final vote. If Zappie blunders his way into more ETA and al-Q violence there won't be need for impeachment, they'll just have a no-confidence vote.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 0:36 Comments || Top||

#3  This is rich. Zappo claims that he has an even better way than Bush to combat terrorism. Say that's so.

But then shouldn't the Spaniards be getting ready for even worse attacks from the Izzies? Why isn't Zappo advising his citizens to be more prepared than ever for Izzy terrorism?

Because he knows as well as you and me that his talk of combatting terrorism "more effectively" is just cover for running and hiding.... pathetic.
Posted by: WUZZALIB || 03/22/2004 0:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Ignore the fool, but be polite, and go our separate ways. When the next boom goes off, give them our sympathy.
Posted by: ed || 03/22/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Senor Presedente, any time both ETA and al-Queda are praising you, that ought to tell you to re-evaluate your position. If you can't see that, then you are a hopeless fool. Good luck. Write when you find work.
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 0:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Iraq was a "great error" .... Good intelligence, not military action, is the key to success, Zapatero told El Pais. He's been reading Kerry's campaign speechs.
Posted by: GK || 03/22/2004 2:01 Comments || Top||

#7  This fool is crazy.
I (almost) feel sorry for the Spanish people, but they had to have him.
Aznar and his PP did a great job, both in fighting terrorism and enlivening the Spanish economy.
They deserved to get reelected.
Après Zappo, la deluge.
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 2:28 Comments || Top||

#8  Question is, who's going to be the coalition partners for Zappie and the PSOE in the gov't?

Either regionalist Parties, or the Communist Party are the likely choices I believe.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 03/22/2004 3:19 Comments || Top||

#9 
It seems to me that new Socialist government will soon do what Zaperto is now publicly declaring it will do. Spain will much more aggressively collect actionable information about radicals who have been operating too freely in Spain. Zaperto's political support for this effort will be broad and deep. There will be practically no Spanish political oppostion to this effort.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 3:22 Comments || Top||

#10  Msybe not the 'official' communist Party. The United Left (Izquierdo Unido) has been mentinoed as a partner in the Government for the Socialists.They amount to being the Greens, with a less Marxist programthan the official Commnist party
Posted by: Texican || 03/22/2004 5:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Continental Europe is going to be indulging its instincts for timidity, caution and appeasement for the foreseeable future.

Maybe something will happen to knock them out of their delusional torpor, but for now they're out of the fight.

Paz!
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/22/2004 6:46 Comments || Top||

#12  Remember that the Socialists used death squads against suspected ETA members in the 80's, so they haven't always been soft on terrorism
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 03/22/2004 7:37 Comments || Top||

#13  Spain will much more aggressively collect actionable information about radicals who have been operating too freely in Spain

Mike -
thank you for clearly illustrating the point that I have been trying to get across for about a week. In fact, I just wrote on it under, The Hunt for Zougam's Cell.

That's all Spain is going to do - collect information. Big file drawers, with more and more links, more and more information. Small groups of guys with clearances, greedily hoarding the information so that they can make impressive powerpoint briefs that result in no action whatsoever - except further study. Never wanting to actually arrest anyone, because it will tip off the bad guys and hinder their ability to collect even more.

And after each bomb goes off, they will be happy, because with each bomb that goes off, it allows them to continue to collect more. So what good is that?

I'm convinced this is the biggest flaw in our intelligence services that we have. This lack of sharing and acting on valuable information, in the effort to acquire more. Certainly, it caused many deaths in both the USA on 911 and now in Spain.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 7:39 Comments || Top||

#14  The Spanish people are still our allies. Nobody flipped us the bird when we elected Jimmy Carter.

Have patience and let this play out. Remember that there was pre-election negotiating between the Socialists and ETA -Secret meeting with Eta hits Socialist poll hopes. If ETA assisted in the bombing - the tide will change rapidly and many national resistance groups will be in trouble.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 8:43 Comments || Top||

#15  GK -- He's probably been writing Kerry's campaign speeches.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#16  The Spanish people are still our allies. Nobody flipped us the bird when we elected Jimmy Carter.

Not exactly.... I did for one.
But the point is taken... Spain will come around, and perhaps even France, it's just a matter of time for them. There's a bio bomb already slowly exploding and eventually it will be recognized.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:47 Comments || Top||

#17  SH, well, not quite--I'd say the Iranians flipped us the bird big time and then there were the Russians invading Afghanistan...
The Left knows how to say "Hello" to one of their own.
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#18  Paz, huh? Wasn't it George Washington who said, "If you want peace, you must prepare for war?" It logically follows that at some point you may have to actually fight that war. That's the part Europe seems to have trouble with . . .

He's got a point about us needing better intelligence. Otherwise, how would we know where to drop the MOABs?
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 20:32 Comments || Top||

#19 
Zapatero wants to alter war on terror
Yeah, he wants to lose.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 23:39 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
CBS isn’t whoring for Kerry; they’re pimping for Kerry
Yesterday I posted an article noting that CBS was heavily advertising the Clarke Bush-bashing 60 minute interview during the NCAA tournament. I concluded that CBS was whoring for Kerry.

Ooops. It turns out that Viacom, which owns CBS, also owns Simon and Shuster which is the publisher of Clarke’s book, so the promo will get CBS’s sister affiliate more dollars. Thus it turns out CBS wasn’t a whore, they were a pimp.

My apology.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 3:57:59 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  accepted...still waiting for Viacom's ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 16:12 Comments || Top||

#2  I should have linked to this rantburg article today (which links to a drudgereport article)

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=Main&D=3/22/2004&ID=28815
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#3  If the day ever comes when al-Qa'ida does a martyrdom operation at the CBS May Day celebration, it will be difficult for me to squeeze out a tear of sadness or mourning. Hell, why not write what I really think. It is obvious the CBSNBCABC network is a greater danger to America than Islamo-fascism.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 17:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess he got the deal Jessica Lynch passed up.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 03/22/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#5  60 Minutes has now done their second info-mercial for a Simon & Schuster title. The first was for Paul O'Neill's book.

At least Guthy-Renker has the integrity to mention up front that theirs is a paid program, advertising a product.

Not so Viacom.
Posted by: eLarson || 03/22/2004 22:26 Comments || Top||

#6  eLarson, don't forget all the shilling for Hitlery's book last summer...
And also according to Drudge, dear Bob Woodward has another Bush-basher coming out right behind Clarke.
Hope Overstock.com can handle the bulk sales!
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 22:31 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
US Muslim group condemns Yassin’s assassination
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has condemned the assassination of Palestinian Muslim religious leader and founder of Hamas, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, calling it an act of “state terrorism.”
Ummm... What was it they had to say about the bus booms? I forget...
The 67-year-old quadriplegic leader and the most prominent Palestinian Islamic figure was killed in a missile strike outside a Gaza City mosque Monday.
Took the top of his head right off...
A statement issued by CAIR said, “We condemn this violation of international law as an act of state terrorism by Ariel Sharon’s out-of-control government. Israel’s extra-judicial killing of an Islamic religious leader can only serve to perpetuate the cycle of violence throughout the region.
Whenever I need some exercise, I hope right on my cycle of violence and ride around the block a few times...
The international community must now take concrete steps to help protect the Palestinian people against such wanton Israeli violence.
I suggest relocating them to Kamchatka...
We call on the United States to join its allies in condemning this political assassination and to make that condemnation meaningful by cutting the flow American-taxpayer dollars to Israel. It is these tax dollars that pay for the weapons Israel uses to carry out such illegal attacks. American repudiation of Israel’s brutal policies could also be demonstrated by the cancellation of Ariel Sharon’s upcoming visit to Washington.” The American Muslim rights group said “bland” statements form the Bush administration urging “restraint by all parties” would only be viewed internationally as tacit approval of Israel’s actions and will undermine our moral and legal basis for the war on terrorism.
They're intentionally bland. The Sheikh was a leading exponent of terrorism.
Until Israel views Palestinians as human beings, and not just animals to be slaughtered at will during “hunting season” there can be no viable and just resolution to the Middle East conflict. And until America adopts a truly even-handed approach to that conflict, our nation’s image will continue to suffer worldwide.”
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 8:48:11 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Protecting the Palestinian people? What about protecting the Israeli people from the "splodeydopes"? Any thoughts there? Huh? Any urging them to stop? Any condemnations? Any remarks on how that killed the peace process?

. . .

No, didn't think so.
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#2  I suggest relocating them to Kamchatka...

Way to nice a place. I suggest Somalia. These morons would fit in nicely. Although I doubt they would cut it militarily.
Posted by: phil_b || 03/22/2004 21:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Anybody that would defend that cockroach is automatically a suspect.
Posted by: Sheikh.Ahmed.Yassin@tasteslikechicken.com || 03/22/2004 21:40 Comments || Top||

#4  Man, I love the "extra-judicial killing" line. So, Achmed old boy, which court was it that authorized you to blow up a bus full of kiddies, huh?

Speak up, please...
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 21:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Well what did we expect from these clowns, "Good Job"?
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 22:47 Comments || Top||


Condi Rice Responds - 9/11: For The Record
Posting it all since the WaPost requires registration - caught via Hugh Hewitt
By Condoleezza Rice
Monday, March 22, 2004; Page A21
The al Qaeda terrorist network posed a threat to the United States for almost a decade before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Throughout that period -- during the eight years of the Clinton administration and the first eight months of the Bush administration prior to Sept. 11 -- the U.S. government worked hard to counter the al Qaeda threat.

During the transition, President-elect Bush’s national security team was briefed on the Clinton administration’s efforts to deal with al Qaeda. The seriousness of the threat was well understood by the president and his national security principals. In response to my request for a presidential initiative, the counterterrorism team, which we had held over from the Clinton administration, suggested several ideas, some of which had been around since 1998 but had not been adopted. No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration.

We adopted several of these ideas. We committed more funding to counterterrorism and intelligence efforts. We increased efforts to go after al Qaeda’s finances. We increased American support for anti-terror activities in Uzbekistan. We pushed hard to arm the Predator unmanned aerial vehicle so we could target terrorists with greater precision. But the Predator was designed to conduct surveillance, not carry weapons. Arming it presented many technical challenges and required extensive testing. Military and intelligence officials agreed that the armed Predator was simply not ready for deployment before the fall of 2001. In any case, the Predator was not a silver bullet that could have destroyed al Qaeda or stopped Sept. 11.

We also considered a modest spring 2001 increase in funding for the Northern Alliance. At that time, the Northern Alliance was clearly not going to sweep across Afghanistan and dispose of al Qaeda. It had been battered by defeat and held less than 10 percent of the country. Only the addition of American air power, with U.S. special forces and intelligence officers on the ground, allowed the Northern Alliance its historic military advances in late 2001. We folded this idea into our broader strategy of arming tribes throughout Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban.

Let us be clear. Even their most ardent advocates did not contend that these ideas, even taken together, would have destroyed al Qaeda. We judged that the collection of ideas presented to us were insufficient for the strategy President Bush sought. The president wanted more than a laundry list of ideas simply to contain al Qaeda or "roll back" the threat. Once in office, we quickly began crafting a comprehensive new strategy to "eliminate" the al Qaeda network. The president wanted more than occasional, retaliatory cruise missile strikes. He told me he was "tired of swatting flies."

Through the spring and summer of 2001, the national security team developed a strategy to eliminate al Qaeda -- which was expected to take years. Our strategy marshaled all elements of national power to take down the network, not just respond to individual attacks with law enforcement measures. Our plan called for military options to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, ground forces and other targets -- taking the fight to the enemy where he lived. It focused on the crucial link between al Qaeda and the Taliban. We would attempt to compel the Taliban to stop giving al Qaeda sanctuary -- and if it refused, we would have sufficient military options to remove the Taliban regime. The strategy focused on the key role of Pakistan in this effort and the need to get Pakistan to drop its support of the Taliban. This became the first major foreign-policy strategy document of the Bush administration -- not Iraq, not the ABM Treaty, but eliminating al Qaeda.

Before Sept. 11, we closely monitored threats to our nation. President Bush revived the practice of meeting with the director of the CIA every day -- meetings that I attended. And I personally met with George Tenet regularly and frequently reviewed aspects of the counterterror effort. Through the summer increasing intelligence "chatter" focused almost exclusively on potential attacks overseas. Nonetheless, we asked for any indication of domestic threats and directed our counterterrorism team to coordinate with domestic agencies to adopt protective measures. The FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration alerted airlines, airports and local authorities, warning of potential attacks on Americans.

Despite what some have suggested, we received no intelligence that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles, though some analysts speculated that terrorists might hijack airplanes to try to free U.S.-held terrorists. The FAA even issued a warning to airlines and aviation security personnel that "the potential for a terrorist operation, such as an airline hijacking to free terrorists incarcerated in the United States, remains a concern."

We now know that the real threat had been in the United States since at least 1999. The plot to attack New York and Washington had been hatching for nearly two years. According to the FBI, by June 2001 16 of the 19 hijackers were already here. Even if we had known exactly where Osama bin Laden was, and the armed Predator had been available to strike him, the Sept. 11 hijackers almost certainly would have carried out their plan. So, too, if the Northern Alliance had somehow managed to topple the Taliban, the Sept. 11 hijackers were here in America -- not in Afghanistan.

President Bush has acted swiftly to unify and streamline our efforts to secure the American homeland. He has transformed the FBI into an agency dedicated to catching terrorists and preventing future attacks. The president and Congress, through the USA Patriot Act, have broken down the legal and bureaucratic walls that prior to Sept. 11 hampered intelligence and law enforcement agencies from collecting and sharing vital threat information. Those who now argue for rolling back the Patriot Act’s changes invite us to forget the important lesson we learned on Sept. 11.

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the president, like all Americans, wanted to know who was responsible. It would have been irresponsible not to ask a question about all possible links, including to Iraq -- a nation that had supported terrorism and had tried to kill a former president. Once advised that there was no evidence that Iraq was responsible for Sept. 11, the president told his National Security Council on Sept. 17 that Iraq was not on the agenda and that the initial U.S. response to Sept. 11 would be to target al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Because of President Bush’s vision and leadership, our nation is safer. We have won battles in the war on terror, but the war is far from over. However long it takes, this great nation will prevail.

The writer is the national security adviser

She had to respond to the Richard Clarke/CBS 60 Minutes parade of history revision. What liberal media?
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 10:04:11 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And the press keeps playing the "vacation from history" game of demanding to know why Bush didn't do in eight months what Clinton failed to do in eight years.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#2  by the way: Viacom owns CBS and is the publisher of Clarke's book. Common ethical practice would dictate they expose that connection when hyping the book (to increase sales) on 60 minutes. Somebody should be fired.
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 11:30 Comments || Top||

#3  That is exactly right RC. That speaks volumes about our unbiased media - and whose side they're on.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/22/2004 11:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Forgive me for being so crass...

But, does anyone else think that Condoleezza Rice is like SUPER HOT?!?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39168000/jpg/_39168367_rice-afp-300x245.jpg
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 12:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Uh, no.
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#6  A very cool lady, but hot? naaaah.
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 03/22/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||


Shady Dude Tries To Bluff Airport Security
A man who claimed to be a Secret Service agent is in federal custody following an attempt to enter a restricted area at Ontario [California] International Airport. Mostafa Mansoori, 20, of Rancho Cucamonga has been charged by federal prosecutors with making false statements and attempting entry to a secure airport area by false pretenses. Mansoori was detained by airport police on March 15, then turned over to the Secret Service. He tried to drive his 2003 blue Honda Civic
Did he have a Secret Service sticker in the rear window?
through a gate at the airport after police officers used a security identification card to enter before him, court documents show. The gate closed before he was able to drive through.
"D’oh!"
Confronted by a guard, Mansoori claimed he was on the security detail for President Bush and was attempting to catch a jet at the facility.
Nice cover story, Mostafa.
He produced only a California driver’s license and an alien registration card.
Yeah, I’m sure there’s lots of foreign nationals on the Presidential bodyguard detail...
He was wearing a black suit with pilot’s wings
The American Airlines uniform was at the drycleaner’s
and sunglasses, court documents said. Two days before that arrest, Mansoori was cited for trespassing on a naval air station in Imperial County. Federal prosecutors are evaluating Mansoori for competence.
Ha. (bits snipped...)
Mansoori, a part-time student at Chaffey College in Rancho Cucamonga, was also interviewed by the FBI in May 2003 when he attempted to gain access to a restricted rooftop of the Stratosphere Hotel in Las Vegas. He had a scanner.
My first thought was that this guy was probing the defences - just to see if everyone on the perimiter is awake. But that visit to the NAS two days before, the total absence of cover story, the wings - this guy clearly wanted to be detected. Is this misdirection? They’re conspicuously sniffing around the airports but going to hit another target set entirely?
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 03/22/2004 2:15:38 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It certainly seems that way, Pete. But when you look back pre-911, they were equally obvious and bold with their actions.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 8:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Check his cell phone records. If he has only been using it to vote on American Idol, he's a kook. If not see whether he wants to talk.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 8:51 Comments || Top||

#3 
Mansoori, a part-time student at Chaffey College in Rancho Cucamonga, was also interviewed by the FBI in May 2003 when he attempted to gain access to a restricted rooftop of the Stratosphere Hotel in Las Vegas. He had a scanner.

Why is he still in the USA a year later?
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 21:22 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Terror Charges for Bomb-makers
Police plan to charge nine people with violating anti-terror laws after an explosion during what is believed to have been a bomb-making class Sunday at the house of an Islamic teacher.
That's pretty much what Islamic teachers teach, ain't it?
Agencies quoted Police spokesman Col. Prasetyo as saying the explosion was caused by the same chemicals that were used in the October 2002 Bali bombings. A number of VCDs were found at the house showing scenes of militants fighting in Afghanistan, a handgun and several rounds of ammunition. No one was injured in the blast, believed to have occurred when small quantities of potassium chlorate and sulfur came into contact with each other. Residents of Cimanggis, Depok, said the blast could be heard up to a kilometer away. Eight men and one woman were arrested at the scene of the blast at the house. On Monday, Jakarta police chief Maj. Gen. Makbul Padmanegara said they would be charged with terror crimes. "They were learning how to make bombs, starting from how to obtain the chemicals, mixing them and assembling," Padmanegara told reporters. "They said they were preparing to defend themselves."
... by blowing up beer joints.
Neighbors said the house was regularly used for meetings attended by men and women dressed in Islamic dress, with only the women’s eyes showing. The arrested persons denied they had any connection to Jemaah Islamiyah, the terrorist organization responsible for the Bali bombing at the J.W. Marriott Hotel bombing in August last year.
"No, no! Certainly not!"
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 9:29:31 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
a bomb-making class Sunday at the house of an Islamic teacher

Moslem Sunday school
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 21:38 Comments || Top||


Indonesia police says blast due to explosive material
A blast that blew the roof off a house where a group of Indonesian Muslims were praying Sunday was caused by a reaction of bomb-making chemicals, police said Sunday.
That statement kind of sums up islam, doesn’t it?
"The blast was not because of a bomb but because of explosive materials that exploded," Inspector General Makbul Padmanegara told journalists at the site of the blast in Cimanggis, near Depok, south of Jakarta. He identified the explosive materials as potassium chlorate and sulphur. Police are on alert for possible bombings during the current campaign period for the April 5 election.
Muslims + elections = explosions.
Padmanegara said that the blast, that took place around 10:30 am, was due to a "low explosive" and said that police believed the chemicals were to be mixed into bombs. "A combing of the site shows that we found six metal tubes, ready to be filled ... and (the) remains of a detonator," he said.
Either the chemicals were unstable or someone ignored the "No Smoking" sign.
"We also found nine VCDs (video compact disks) on the struggle in Afghanistan," he said.
Gun porn.
Padmanegara said the daughter of the house’s owner and her husband, who were living there, are currently among those being questioned by the police. He declined to comment further.
"I can say no more."
Second Sergeant Samiaji of the local police said 21 people, including 12 women, were being questioned as blast witnesses. He could not give further details about the 21. Just before night, the 12 women, some carrying their babies or towing toddlers and all wearing veils that left only their eyes visible, boarded a police truck, the ElShinta radio said, adding that local police said they were being taken to the Jakarta police headquarters for further questioning. It also quoted the police as saying that at least two other witnesses will also be sent to the headquarters.
Any unidentified body parts?
Another officer on duty, Second Sergeant Rinto, said that a team from the Jakarta police bomb squad found five unexploded bombs at the scene. Rinto said that the house had been used for regular weekly recitals from the Koran.
"Now, please open your Koran to chapter 21, Improvised Explosives, and repeat after me...."
The Sonora private radio, quoted residents as saying that they have recently seen many guests visiting the house — the women being mostly thoroughly veiled, only showing their eyes, and the men were mostly bearded.
Yup, that’s them.
El Shinta radio quoted residents as saying that the explosion could be heard as far as one kilometre away. Indonesia has suffered a string of bombings in recent years.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 9:48:30 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "The blast was not because of a bomb but because of explosive materials that exploded,"

That's a might fine line.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Booming and praying in 3/4 time.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Indonesia police says blast due to explosive material

No shit? Wow, that's amazing.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||

#4  #define tinfoil_hat;

Do you suppose that mabe some Other Government Agency might have slipped into the jihadi networks some bad recipies or wiring instructions? I'm just sayin, its all...

#undefine tinfoil_hat;
Posted by: N Guard || 03/22/2004 12:58 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
ISF kills suspect in the Bekaa
A Lebanese suspect wanted by authorities in connection with an alleged attack on a US diplomatic convoy in September was shot dead Saturday by security forces in eastern Lebanon, police said. In a joint operation, Internal Security Forces (ISF) and intelligence agents infiltrated the village of Hammoudiyeh, south of Baalbek, in a part of Lebanon under Syrian control. They threw grenades at the home of Mohammed Ali Ismail, 40, who returned fire. Ismail, who was also wanted on drug trafficking charges, was killed instantly and his wife, Zeinab Masri, was seriously wounded in both legs, police said. Masri was rushed to the Dar al-Amal University Hospital, where both of her legs were amputated. In September 2003, a US Embassy convoy carrying the US military attache based in Beirut allegedly came under fire in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. No one was wounded and no vehicles were damaged in the incident. Lebanese police and US authorities had been investigating the incident.

Local politicians condemned Ismail's killing, saying that the government should resort to justice in solving a crime. Ali Hamadeh, the son of former speaker Sabri Hamadeh, said that Ismail's crime did not justify his being killed by the authorities. "We are not against the implementation of the law, but the law should be enforced in a way that penalizes crime fairly," he said. "Aren't poverty and humiliation enough? Must homes be targeted and women and children be terrorized too!" Hamade made the comment in a statement Saturday after the ISF raided Ismail's hometown. Ismail's home was destroyed and a gray 280-model Mercedes parked near the house was damaged. While Mukhtar Hassan Ismail called for an investigation, Hamadeh strongly denounced the act as "unmatched to the crime. We can only feel that the civil community in the Baalbek-Hermel area does not receive necessary protection," Hamade said.
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US and Israel Bust Business Selling US Missile Parts to Iran
A months-long, clandestine joint operation with the American Department of Homeland Security has led Israel Police to the discovery of a warehouse in Binyamina -- a small town south of Haifa -- containing missile parts apparently destined for Iran. Equipped with photos that were supplied by the American authorities, police raided the warehouse Thursday. They identified crated pipes that were found there as spare parts for the radar systems of American-made Hawk anti-aircraft missiles, which were supplied to the Shah’s Iran (and to Israel) by the US decades ago. The parts’ final destination is suspected to be Iran. Simultaneously, businessman Eli Cohen, whose company owns the warehouse, was arrested. Under interrogation, he denied that the merchandise was destined for Iran -- and also claimed it had been sent to his company by mistake. After questioning he was released on bail, under limitations.

The investigation began when the US Department of Homeland Security suspected a 70-year old American businessman named Leib Cohen of purchasing spare parts for Hawk missiles and F-4 Phantom jet fighters (which were also sold by the US both to Iran and to Israel). Cohen allegedly transferred the parts to the Israeli companies PAD and VSR, which are owned by Eli Cohen and his brother-in-law, Avihai Weinstein, who is also being questioned by police. The parts were then allegedly transshipped to Iran.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 03/22/2004 9:58:53 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Eli Cohen

The Iranians are my friends. Oh sure, they want all Jews dead. But I am their friend.
Posted by: B || 03/23/2004 7:40 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
War on Terrorism suffering legal setbacks
The post-Sept. 11 war against terrorism is suffering as much in the courts as in the streets with several legal setbacks involving suspected members of al-Qaida and other groups around the world. The biggest reversal came in Germany when a court threw out the only conviction of a Sept. 11 suspect. But other cases have been hindered, too, including against a militant Indonesian cleric and Zacarias Moussaoui, the only alleged Sept. 11 conspirator charged in the United States. The U.S. reluctance to let witnesses in custody testify and the sheer complexity of cross-border investigations are mostly to blame. And the Madrid bombings that killed 202 people last week showed that while investigators struggle to build judicial cases against suspects, terrorists are still successfully plotting and carrying out attacks. Spanish authorities had one of the chief suspects in the Madrid bombings, Jamal Zougam, on their radar since at least 2001 as a possible al-Qaida operative, even once searching his apartment, but were unable to build a case against him. Zougam, arrested two days after the bombings, operated in at least two countries, Morocco and Spain.

The court decision in Germany to order a retrial for Mounir el Motassadeq - charged with aiding the three Hamburg, Germany-based Sept. 11 hijackers - focused attention on the limits of international cooperation. ``The threat is a very broad global Islamic front where terrorist operatives of one nationality will go to a second country to plan a terror operation then move to a third country to carry out their attacks,'' said Richard Evans, editor at Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Center in London. ``Intelligence cooperation between countries like the United States and its allies has increased enormously, but there's still a long way to go,'' he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

In granting el Motassadeq a retrial last month, a German appeals court pointed to the lack of evidence from Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemeni in secret U.S. custody who is believed to have been the key al-Qaida contact for the Hamburg cell that included lead hijacker Mohamed Atta. Judges ruled that the lower court, which found the Moroccan guilty in February 2003 of more than 3,000 counts of accessory to murder and belonging to a terrorist organization, failed to weigh how the United States' refusal to allow Binalshibh to testify influenced the case. Fighting terrorism is no ``wild, unregulated war,'' Presiding Judge Klaus Tolksdorf explained in the March 4 verdict, saying authorities' need for secrecy can't outweigh a defendant's right to a fair trial.

A German investigator in the case said the dilemma persists. ``Every country and every service has its own ideas and purposes and has to be careful with human sources and information or the politics of their country. So of course the flow of information is not one-to-one,'' said Manfred Murck, deputy head of the Hamburg state agency that tracks extremists. ``Nobody gets the full information of the other services.'' U.S. authorities provided German intelligence with interrogation transcripts from Binalshibh, who was captured in Pakistan on the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States. But they came with the proviso that the information not be used in court. Even if they were allowed, Murck said the judges likely would have wanted the witness in person to evaluate the testimony.

The ban was also a key factor when the Hamburg state court found el Motassadeq's friend and fellow countryman Abdelghani Mzoudi not guilty of the same charges last month. In the United States, the federal conspiracy case against Moussaoui has stalled because the Justice Department refuses to let Binalshibh testify. U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema in Virginia ruled that unless Binalshibh appears in court, she would ban any evidence connecting Moussaoui to the Sept. 11 attacks, and bar prosecutors from seeking the death penalty. An appeals court is considering Moussaoui's right to question Binalshibh and two other al-Qaida suspects. While the United States never explained its stand in the Hamburg trials, government attorneys argued in the Moussaoui case that U.S. national security should override his right of access to the witness. One reason behind the U.S. position may be that keeping operatives like Binalshibh incommunicado could keep prime suspects guessing, including al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden who's still at large. ``If you're Osama bin Laden you have to be sitting around wondering if they're talking ... but if you produce one of them and he's not cooperating, that sends a clear signal he's not talking,'' said Walter Purdy, director of the Terrorism Research Center outside Washington.

In Indonesia, a problem with witness access also emerged in the Jakarta trial of militant Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, suspected of al-Qaida links and being a leader of the Jemaah Islamiyah extremist group. At trial, three key suspects held in Malaysia and Singapore were only allowed to testify by video linkup. Defense attorneys argued they could have been under duress and the court discounted their statements. The United States also refused to allow a witness in its custody to testify, providing investigators' notes in which the man implicated Bashir. Attorneys argued the evidence was inadmissible, and the judges ignored it. Bashir's sentence was reduced on appeal to three years after a court annulled the treason conviction. Last Tuesday, the Indonesian Supreme Court halved that sentence as too harsh for the remaining charges and Bashir is now scheduled to be released next month. The question now is whether Washington will give Indonesian authorities access to another key witness it is holding, suspected Jemaah Islamiyah operations chief Hambali, who is believed to be able to link Bashir to terror attacks, said Sidney Jones, who has followed the case for the Brussels-based International Crisis Group. ``They can't just work with interrogation reports,'' she said in a telephone interview from Jakarta.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:16:56 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Does jock itch ever go away on its own?
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#2  No, it NEVER goes away on its own. There is only one cure and it has been invented by a Joooooo so you will have to withstand the itch for life.
Posted by: JFM || 03/22/2004 0:50 Comments || Top||

#3  At some point, it will become even clearer that the slow sure legal systems of the West, so heavily weighted in favor of the defendent, will be unworkable, unusable, and self-defeating.

The old saw about a rumor making it half-way around the world before the truth has even gotten its boots on is true of terrorism, as well. While our ponderous agencies, made 10x moreso by the necessity of inter-agency cooperation and international sensitivities, are still working out the outline of an attack, the asshats have 2 more in the cooker.

One day, when it has become so painful that we can bear no more, we will take off the gloves and create the antithesis of the terrorists: global hunter-killer teams that take the intel as it comes in and act sans the imprimatur of imaginary agents of moral legitimacy.

I KNOW that the concept is repellant to the squeamish and that there are those who could never accept such pragmatism, so steeped are they in their ethereal principles. Fine. They can sleep the sleep of the innocent and keep their warm 'n fuzzy moral superiority. It is but a precept that they've personally elevated to basic self-apparent truth - a snobbish pretense that suits their egotistically-rooted sensitivities. Sleep on, children. Others will make it safe for you to live in your dreamworld.

Gloves off, ASAP, please.
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||

#4  The concept is not necessarily repulsive however it does raise a few questions as tho who makes the final decision and based on what evidence. What you are insinuating is that this process would be closed and not open to standard judicial oversight. This I do find rather disturbing. There have been a number of cases reported from both Afghanistan and Iraq where people pointed fingers at others purely because of past disputes which in many cases had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism, just some old family disputes which lead to the loss of innocent lives. A 'hit team' which acts on raw intel without further corroboration, which is how I read your proposal, reminds me Stalinist USSR, Cambodia under Pol Pot...as well as many others.
Posted by: Igs || 03/22/2004 2:45 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, you gotta fight fire with fire. If they wanna stand up and fight, let's get it on. If they wanna lurk in the shadows, we can do that too. But, gloves off, in either case.
Posted by: Texan || 03/22/2004 2:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Igs - Your response is anticipated - because I understand your reservations. The truth is, we are all forced to trust in the judgement of others - every day - from the judges of the judiciary to the cop on the beat to the teachers who influence our children to the President or Prime Minister.

I am also anticipating a future in which the Bad Guys are hurting us because they have discovered how to take advantage of our social systems -- of our good intentions, honorable institutions, and ethical restraint. At this point I won't argue WHO and I don't much care if we agree upon that point - you will know them when your child is murdered on a bus or a train or while at the daycare center in the basement of a toppled office building.

The judicial oversight you apparently feel comfortable with, is merely yet another sequence of one or more humans exercising individual judgement. You obviously believe there are checks and balances - thus errors are avoided or caught in time. Every system involving humans has sufficient examples where a common ideological mindset, or other human foible, can and does negate these mechanisms. Check history, it happens. It also happens that the potential for negative manipulation can and does occur in systems based upon trust - but not with significant frequency, else it wouldn't be "news" and a large number of our judges and police and teachers would be in jail.

So where does your confidence in your version come from? It's just as fallible as any other - including mine. Why the assumption that the people in my pragmatic self-preservation response are less honorable or intelligent or ethical? In fact, they would be from among the very same people you / we are trusting right now - in the US, most are professional soldiers, but they are backed up by a large number of citizen soldiers. Is it because they can and do kill? Do you actually know anything about war? Do you actually know anything about soldiers? American soldiers? British soldiers? Aussies? Poles? I do. The people who must do it are, by an amazingly wide margin, the most loathe to do it except when it is forced upon them. Had you been reading the real-world blogs of the soldiers, you might get an inkling of what I'm talking about. Life is full of these moments: trust me, or not, the US Soldier is extremely humane.

Honestly, your response is rife with your own personal assumptions. Perhaps you're more astute and beyond the norm, I don't know that, nor pretend to.

On average, most people are not astute - that's why it's an outstanding quality. Most cary around mindsets which have been served up ten thousand times in movies and books and conventional wisdom. It has been standard fare for the last 15-20 years to represent the Bad Guys as either Bad Gov't or Rogue Elements within lax or corrupt Gov't. Yadda3. Does this collection of Hollywood fantasies make it so? Lol! No. As the Firesign Theater routine goes, "Ordinary people in extraordinary circumstances, as played by rich Hollywood movie stars." They know not whereof they spin their yarns - amd mere yarns they be.

The fact is, you have no evidence to support your supposition. I will not be disingenuous and suggest the effort would be perfect, but what it reminds you of is of no consequence and has no value in point of fact.

I have stated the case that the choice may well be taken away - this may be what MUST be done to preserve our way of life. And it will be what it will be. If you carry high ethical standards and conduct yourself with presence of mind both in times of peace and times of danger, then perhaps you should be a part of the decision-making process when the time comes. If that doesn't occur and if the nightmare comes true, you will pray somebody, somewhere, has had the guts to consider and implement the idea.

Sorry for being so windy, but it's not a simple topic nor is it easy to prove a negative. I haven't proven anything, neither did you, but I hope you recognize that your fears are out of proportion to reality. And nightmares do happen. Being open-minded and prepared beats being decimated.
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 4:24 Comments || Top||

#7  And the Madrid bombings that killed 202 people last week showed that while investigators struggle to build judicial cases against suspects, terrorists are still successfully plotting and carrying out attacks.

Anyone who has been reading my posts re: collecting information vs acting on it - will know that this quote allows me a big, "I TOLD YOU SO!"

btw .com ...good post.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 7:49 Comments || Top||

#8  IGS - it's bad to set fires - no?

Is it bad to set a backfire? You are setting a fire to put out a big fire that will overwhelm you.

To the little birds and baby ducks burned in the backfire, it's no consolation or less painful to them that their death was for a good cause. Yet, if their death allows millions of other birds and baby ducks to survie - is the backfire a bad thing.

Evil out of control is like a fire - it starts to build it's own momentum and will burn until it is either stopped or burns everything in its apth.

Our CIA and military are like a backfire. Fire fighting fire on it's own terms. And the sooner you put out a fire, no matter how you accomplish it, the less people who will get burned.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 7:57 Comments || Top||

#9  The Constitution grants Congress the power to issue letters of Marque and Reprisal, decidedly non-judicial, violent means to attack and destroy the enemies of the United States. It's really up to Congress to either exercise this power or delegate it to the Executive branch.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/22/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#10  Jarhead... ever do any training in boarding parties? Once we get our Letter of Marque (Squire Cingold 20% of gross?) we'll need a small (tho well-armed) landing team.

I volunteer to personally take charge of the galley and it's fine assortment of food from the world over.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#11  Squire Cingold 20% of gross?

OK, OK, as long as we’re really aggressive. I want all the toys! Now, off to do the pro bono stuff I call working (or is it working stuff that should be called pro bono?) . . .
Posted by: cingold || 03/22/2004 15:28 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Hezbollah Shells Israeli Troops on Lebanese Border
The largely dormant Lebanese-Israeli front erupted in fighting Monday, with Hezbollah (search) guerrillas shelling Israeli positions in a disputed area and Israel retaliating with airstrikes. The escalation, the first since January, came amid outrage in the Arab world after Israeli missiles killed Sheik Ahmed Yassin, founder of the Islamic militant group Hamas, earlier Monday. Lebanese officials said Hezbollah guerrillas fired rockets and mortar shells at Israeli military outposts inside the disputed Chebaa Farms area near the borders of Lebanon, Syria and Israel. In a statement to The Associated Press, Hezbollah linked the attack to Yassin’s assassination, saying it attacked "all Zionist enemy positions in the Chebaa Farms, using direct weapons and rockets and scoring direct hits."

It said the targeted positions were Roueissat el-Alam, al-Samaka, Zibeddin, Roueissat al-Karn, al-Radar and Ramtha. The Israeli army said its fighter jets were responding and troops also used artillery fire against suspected guerrilla hideouts near the Chebaa Farms. The army said Hezbollah fired anti-tank missiles. Lebanese officials said Israeli warplanes fired three missiles into valleys and mountainous areas near the villages of Kfar Chouba and Hilta, they said. There was no immediate word on casualties. Later Monday, Hezbollah guerrillas attacked another Israeli position on the edge of the Chebaa Farms, Hezbollah’s Al Manar TV reported. Witnesses said Hezbollah fired a total of 11 rockets at the Zaaroura military outpost.
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Central Asia
Uzbekistan will seek extradition of terror leader
Uzbekistan will consider seeking the extradition of the leader of a terror group if he is caught among suspected Al Qaeda militants fighting Pakistani troops near the Afghan border, an official said on Monday. “If Tahir Yuldash is captured, we will consider his extradition, since he has committed crimes on Uzbek territory and was one of the main founders of the terrorist group IMU,” the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Foreign Ministry spokesman Ilkhom Zakirov said. The Pakistani army is fighting a group of several hundred foreign militants and local tribesmen in South Waziristan. The lawless tribal region is believed to be the refuge of the IMU, which seeks to overthrow the secular government of Uzbekistan, a former Soviet republic, and once trained in Afghanistan.
If I was Uzbekistan, I'd be demanding in a loud voice to know why the IMU is living fat and happy in Pakland.
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Israel-Palestine
More international quotes...
From the link "International Reaction" embedded in the main story. (CNN)

Ahmed Qorei, Palestinian prime minister:
"The way [Yassin] was assassinated by the Israeli Apache helicopters and while he was in the early morning praying, without even respect to any of the villagers and to the beliefs of the Palestinian people. This was condemned strongly in the [cabinet] meeting, and it’s been decided that we will go to the Security Council, the United Nations."
Yes I’m sure he was praying. Was that before or after the planning for more suicide attacks?

Hasan Rahman, chief Palestinian representative to the United States:
"It is absolutely ridiculous to allege that the man who cannot see, cannot hear and who is on a wheelchair can constitute a threat to the biggest military power in the Middle East and one of the biggest in the world. That’s absolutely nonsense."
Yeah but the pen is mightier than the sword. In his case, so were his words. FU Rahman, we’re not stupid.

Hosni Mubarak, Egyptian president:
"What happened was more brutal than anyone can imagine and it doesn’t make sense. We condemn this aggression because he is one of the political symbols in Gaza. We were putting all our efforts into the peace process. It aborted all the peace process efforts. This will have reactions all over the Middle East, not just there."
All your efforts into the peace process? Try harder.

Kofi Annan, United Nations secretary general:
"I do condemn the targeted assassination of Sheikh Yassin. Such actions are not only contrary to international law, they do not do anything to help search for a peaceful solution. I appeal to all in the region to remain calm and avoid escalation in tensions."
Isn’t there some dictator at the UN you should be appeasing right about now? You have lots to choose from.

Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief:
"The position of the European Union has been consistently a condemnation of ... killings. In this particular case, I think a condemnation ought to be stronger. These types of actions do not contribute at all to create the conditions of peace, the conditions of dialogue, which are necessary at this moment."
I like the first sentence. No shit??? The condemnation ought to be stronger...in step with the growing anti-semitism in Europe.

Jack Straw, British foreign secretary:
"We understand Israel’s paramount needs to defend itself, but we also say for Israel to carry the full support of the international community it needs to do so within the boundaries set by international law. It’s been the long-standing position of the British government that such targeted killings, assassinations, are out with international law."
Jack, you know I love you guys. You get a pass from me.

Joschka Fischer, German foreign minister:
"This is not about fearing something. The situation is as such that all must be done to prevent a further escalation. All sides are called upon to do their part in this effort. At the same time, we are doing everything to pursue a further initiative for the Middle East. However, as said, the current status necessitates a thorough analysis."
My favourite quote. How...diplomatic.

Dominique de Villepin, French foreign minister:
"France condemns the actions perpetrated against Sheikh Yassin. At a time when it is important to mobilize for the relaunch of the peace process, such acts can only fuel the cycle of violence."
"I’ve got my own population to worry about, so you understand, I have to condemn this."
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 5:39:39 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We were putting all our efforts into the peace process. It aborted all the peace process efforts.

No Yassin himself aborted the peace process when he ordered the murder of innocent civilians on that bus in Israel.

Where the hell is all the condemnation of Hamas and the PA after they deliberately target and murder civilians? Where the hell was Kofi then? This makes me sick to see these slimeballs (except for Straw) say this crap about a murderer and not a peep about his victims.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 18:56 Comments || Top||

#2  You gotta hand it to Fischer... He elaborately said nothing (and didn't condemn the act btw).
Posted by: True German Ally || 03/22/2004 19:43 Comments || Top||

#3  It is absolutely ridiculous to allege that the man who cannot see, cannot hear and who is on a wheelchair can constitute a threat . . .
I'm not up on my Yassin history. Was he crippled before or after he founded Hamas? And in any case, Hamas is a threat - and it's his organization. That makes him a threat, unless you want us to believe that a blind, deaf, crippled man was also unable to be a leader and *inspiration*.

What happened was more brutal than anyone can imagine and it doesn’t make sense.
No, suicide bombings are more brutal than anyone can imagine, and they don't make sense. Blasting Yassin to hell makes perfect sense.

We condemn this aggression because he is one of the political symbols in Gaza.
Not anymore. I think that was rather the point.

We were putting all our efforts into the peace process.
Wait, Egypt was putting efforts into the peace process?

I do worry that the retaliation against Israel will be quite terrible, although I can't help but wonder whether this could also instigate some sort of power struggle within Hamas given the sudden vacuum at the top. Does anyone think that maybe Fatah, which has been at odds with Hamas for power for years, will try and make a move after this?
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 20:14 Comments || Top||

#4  crippled in a soccer injury as a yut. Still, supposedly had his brother killed for suspected collaboration with the hated Joooos
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 20:17 Comments || Top||

#5  I think I want to be in this distinguished Company.

Ol_Dirty_American, distinguished American bastard:
"You're all blownesd up now!"
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 03/22/2004 20:25 Comments || Top||

#6  it is important to mobilize for the relaunch of the peace process

I see nothing there that involves any concrete moves to end terrorist attacks on Israel. All I see is a call for more jaw-jaw.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 20:35 Comments || Top||

#7  de Villepin is the world's most disingenuous liar. His every utterance is not only more transparent than vaccuum, it even manages to "suck" more, as well.

All of the efforts, Camp David visits, Rose Garden pronouncements, Oslo etc diddle-fucks, Road Maps to Hell, the whole fucking zoo - all of them are DEAD. Accurately, the Paleos - and this actually means their chosen leader Pres-General-Embezzler-For-Life Arafat - are characterized as never having failed to miss an opportunity. And they have had one hell of s string of opportunities - all squandered, all wasted, all goodwill flushed, all hope -- gone.

All the chances in the world, and all intentionally wasted by the Paleos / Arafat.

If the wall fails to contain them, then there will be a helluvalot more of this moaning and groaning...

Intefada my ass. This is war. Kill everyone last swinging Paleo dick (or cunt) who spouts hate, carries a weapon, or provides support for these terrorists. I think we should dedicate at least one Maverick production line to Israel. I'm thinking cluster-bombs and fleschette rounds look pretty useful, too. It's over. It's time. Bottle 'em up so they have to take their murderous rage out on each other --- or kill 'em.
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 21:51 Comments || Top||


Fox News.com Headline - Israeli Tanks Move Into Gaza Strip
"Breaking News" - It’s been up for about 1/2 hr as of this post.

Is it time for spring cleaning already?

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Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||


Israeli Tanks Move Into Gaza Strip
Can of whup-ass, round 2
Israeli tanks moved into northern Gaza late Monday, Israeli security officials said, after Palestinians fired rockets at Israeli towns and Jewish settlements in Gaza The rocket attack was a seething response to the death of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin, a victim of an Israeli missile barrage. None of the Palestinian rockets caused damage or casualties. Palestinian security officials said the tanks were moving toward the northern Gaza town of Beit Hanoun. No exchanges of fire were reported.
run away! run away!
The Israeli officials said the purpose of the tank movement was to prevent Palestinians from firing more rockets.
especially works when they’re "dead"
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 5:43:40 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Go, IDF! Smoke 'em when you find 'em.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 18:59 Comments || Top||

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 20:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Where's Rantisi? I hope he pops his little pointy head up long enough for the IDF to hit it hard with their mallet.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 20:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Go IDF! Time to send them some more pizza!
(The Paleos couldn't get anymore hot and bothered than they are already about Yassinated Yassin so the Israelis might as well take out *all* the trash--Arafish, Rantisi and Erekhat!)
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
CJTF-7 Briefing 3-20-2004
  • Two days ago, Iraqi Civil Defense service located two individuals east of Balad that were killed when the IED they were attempting to emplace detonated prematurely.
  • In Baghdad, Operation Iron Promise continues. As of last evening, 1st Armored Division troops had captured 99 enemy personnel, 154 weapons, 75 artillery and rocket rounds, and significant quantities of IED materials since Iron Promise kicked off.
  • Two days ago, an Iraqi vehicle attempted to run a cordon in support of the investigation into a rock -- into the rocket attack at the al-Hayat Hotel. A car approached the cordon at a high rate of speed, and despite other cars turning around and soldiers using voice and visual hand signals to turn around, the car continued to move forward. The driver accelerated through the cordon and rammed one of the Humvees head on, at approximately 50 kilometers per hour, pushing the vehicle 10 to 15 feet back from the impact. Fearing a VBIED, the soldiers engaged the vehicle with small arms and killed the driver.
  • In the western zone of operations, a coalition helicopter was downed due to enemy small arms fire near al-Amiriya. Both pilots were recovered without injury. Forces secured the craft site and complete recovery efforts.
  • In the central-south zone of operations, a coalition patrol detained three civilian individuals attempting to move Air Force ordinance from an ASP west of As-Sawara. The detainees were turned over to coalition officials at Camp Charlie for further investigation.
  • On 13 March, the 1st Bomb Disposal Company from the 50th ICDC Brigade began basic training in Ad-Diwaniyah. Fifty soldiers will be trained to clear ASPs in the region.
  • As you know, on 14 January 2004, a criminal investigation was initiated to examine allegations of detainee abuse at the Baghdad confinement facility at Abu Ghraib. Shortly thereafter, the commanding general of Combined Joint Task Force Seven requested a separate administrative investigation into systemic issues such as command policies and internal procedures related to detention operations. That administrative investigation is complete, however, the findings and recommendations have not been approved. As a result of the criminal investigation, six military personnel have been charged with criminal offenses to include conspiracy, dereliction of duty, cruelty and maltreatment, assault, and indecent acts with another.
  • On the issue of the al-Arabiya journalists that were allegedly killed in the vicinity of the al-Hayat hotel, we have been informed of that. We have conducted -- we have initiated and are conducting a separate investigation. I will tell you there are numerous discrepancies between what was reported by the Washington Post and the facts on the ground. For example, it is alleged -- and it is a fact that in the autopsy of the two personnel that were killed, and the driver of the vehicle, that there were five bullets that were involved in that. We have done a round count of all the bullets that were shot at the car in the -- that we thought was a VBIED, not the al-Arabiya car, but the car that crashed through the cordon. We can currently account for all but two of those rounds, so there is a significant discrepancy between those rounds and the rounds that are alleged to have been fired at the al-Iraqia -- excuse me, the al-Arabiya journalists.

    Second, the types of wounds that were suffered by the deceased are inconsistent with a moving car fired from a distance. That was very accurate shooting, and at this point it would not lend one to believe that that was -- that there was -- they had the capability of that kind of marksmanship at night. We have asked all al-Arabiya to provide the driver and the vehicle, the KIA that was supposedly being driven by the man that made the statement, so that we can take that information, conduct forensic tests on it as well, and we’re hoping to get to the bottom of this.

    We are not at this point denying the story, however, we had the battalion commander on site at the time of the alleged incident and his S-3. Neither of those two gentlemen, nor any of the soldiers, remember any such vehicle, any such satellite truck.

    So, the number of discrepancies that we have between what we have been reading in the accounts and the facts that we have on the ground are leading us to push forward with an investigation quite quickly so that we can ascertain precisely what happened at that time.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 03/22/2004 5:07:56 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


CPA Briefing 3-18-2004
  • The first thing I’ll do is update you on the number of Iraqi security forces in the city of Baghdad. As you see there, the goal for the city of Baghdad is 19,000 police. That’s to achieve a ratio of one-to-300, which is generally the accepted standard for a modern city. We just crested 10,000. We’ve got about 2,000 in class right now that will come out over the period of the next four weeks or so. And as you see we’re not having any trouble -- I know that some of you have asked about how well or not so well we’re able to recruit, and the answer is that for about every slot we have, we get five or six recruits -- five or six candidates.
  • he Iraqi Civil Defense Corps is completely recruited, and we’re in the training phase of that. They’re trained up through the platoon level. Within about the next month they’ll be trained fully at the company level.
  • We mentor an Iraqi army battalion up in Taji. By July there will be two additional battalions up there, for a total of three.
  • I guess the question there is if we stop attacking terrorism, would terrorism go away? And I would answer that question absolutely no. The terrorists have a view of the world that is far different from ours and far different from the men that are on my left and right. And so, as we’ve said in previous briefings, if the future of -- if you want the future of your region to be one where you remain in approximately the 7th century; where computers are banned, satellite television is banned, the role of women is completely denied; then I suppose when sovereignty is restored to Iraq you may cast your vote in that direction. But I happen to believe in my heart that the majority of the Iraqi people will vote quite the contrary to that.
  • I do have a roll-up of Iron Promise. You know, I am always reluctant to put scorecards up, but let me give you some of the things that we have just in the past 48 hours gained through Iron Promise. Fifty battalion-level operations. We killed one and captured 88. The most significant capture was one individual who we absolutely know has a linkage between one of the international terrorist organizations and one of the extreme religious organizations that we know operates inside of Baghdad. And so that linkage is -- that’s the one that this mission is targeted against. We’ve found 109 rifles, 44 RPG launchers, 71 artillery rounds, 54 sticks of dynamite, 10 machine guns, and so on and so forth. I mean, the amount of ammunition and weapons captured is fairly consistent from mission to mission. The big change in this mission is the specificity with which we’re targeting, and we’re very satisfied with the results of the first 48 hours.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 03/22/2004 4:58:29 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  thks Chuck - your work is appreciated!
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 20:18 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Hamas has new means to fight Israel: senior leader
Senior Hamas leader in Gaza Mahmoud Azzahar announced Monday that the movement has new methods and means to fight Israel in retaliation for the killing of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. Azzahar told Xinhua after Yassin’s funeral, in which about half a million Palestinian mourners participated, that "resistance would continue and of course there are other new means to fight Israel."
of course, the old ones have worked so well to date. how much closer is hamas to eradicating Israel?
"We know how to react to the villain assassination of Sheikh Yassin, and we are sure that in the end we will win and the Zionist enemy would be defeated," said Azzahar.
ummmm....would that be to kill and maim innocent people?
Azzahar escaped an Israeli assassination attempt in last October. Yet his eldest son was killed and his wife critically injured when Israeli F-16 warplanes hit his house. "These huge crowds of people and lovers of Yassin and Hamas is a referendum to Yassin, to Hamas and the strategy of the movement," said Azzahar. "It is a message that we are not afraid of being targeted."
no, it’s a message that they understand that Israel will not target innocents.
Asked about Israel’s accusations to Yassin which said he was behind numerous Palestinian suicide bombing attacks, Azzahar said "it is a great honor for Yassin to do so, and I believe he deserves to be a leader."
so he readily admits that Yassin was behind the suicide attacks, yet doesn’t acknowledge at all Israel’s motives for killing the sonofabitch.
Posted by: PlanetDan || 03/22/2004 2:40:15 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if it's that newfangled artillery piece they got that can shoot over fences?
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||

#2  What's the point of killing these guys if yer not going to bomb their funerals? You got these people to mass together in the streets, now what are you gonna do with 'em?
Posted by: BH || 03/22/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#3  I think they'll try hitting places like chemical plants to release the toxic vapors. I heard Yoni on Hugh Hewitt's show say they tried to blowup some huge bromide (I think it was bromide) tanks with the winds blowing towards a nearby town.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Hamas should target Sharon/NatanYAHOO, but their deaths should be more slow and painful.
Posted by: Bram || 03/22/2004 16:55 Comments || Top||

#5  OMG, they've re-discovered the trebuchet! Israel will soon be destroyed by those most feared of weapons of mass destruction -- upright pianos and old cars!!
Posted by: snellenr || 03/22/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||

#6  snellenr - LMAO
Posted by: Matt || 03/22/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#7  A trebuchet is nothing without an ACME brand smart anvil.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 18:36 Comments || Top||

#8  If you have seen the Yassin pics, it's clear that at least one of his arms was blown off. The Paleos are now going to beat the Israelis over the head with Yassin's severed arms. Also, some of the shards of his wheelchair are probably pretty sharp. They could use them to poke the Israelis.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||

#9  I think most below the neck was gone.... and I feel really bad about that...no, really.......uh, heh heh, ok, I was joking
ulululululu
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 18:53 Comments || Top||

#10  Lemme at 'em, boys.
Posted by: Sheikh.Ahmed.Yassin@tasteslikechicken.com || 03/22/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#11  Well Bram, I guess their deaths would be slower - after all having your brains blown up through the top of your head is hardly a leisurely way to pop your clogs, is it?. Thing is, you gotta get past some 'real' soldiers to kill Sharon and co. and there's not one person in Gaza or the West Bank good enough to do that.

Not nice when the Jooos fight back, is it?

By the way, I'm glad he's dead.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 03/22/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||

#12  Ship - LOL! "ACME brand smart anvil"!!!

How smart is it?
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 22:10 Comments || Top||


Pics of the Late Lamented (and somewhat scattered) Hamas Leader
Posted by: Mercutio || 03/22/2004 14:27 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looks like Yassin has finally lost his mind.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 14:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, there's the brains of Hamas...all over that steel gurney
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#3  More of the same.

He's definitely dead, Jim.
Posted by: Lux || 03/22/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#4  I dunno. We should take a DNA sample to be sure.

Anyone have a mop?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 15:01 Comments || Top||

#5  When I saw his melon cracked open like that, all I could think of is "I.O.U. one brain, signed, Homer Simpson."
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Ack! I wasn't prepared for that Lux.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#7  They're really into pix of people with their brains hanging out, aren't they?
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 15:18 Comments || Top||

#8  "If I only had a brain..."

(*apologies to Mr. Scarecrow*)
Posted by: Raj || 03/22/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#9  Not for the faint of heart.
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#10  And I thought I looked bad.
Posted by: Rachel Corrie || 03/22/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#11  "Well, the leg bone's connected to the knee bone
The knee bone's connected to the elbow..."

Now HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD!
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#12  rest in pieces fucker.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#13  Boy, he really blew his top.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#14  Hooooooooooo-weeee! He blew'd up real good!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 03/22/2004 18:39 Comments || Top||

#15  In "Jaws," when Quint got bitten in half by the shark, my brother's friend shouted "I'm not half the man I used to be!" That pretty much applies here as well.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 18:40 Comments || Top||

#16  gives a whole new flavor to the expression:
"scatterbrained"
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#17  WOW!!! What a rush!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Yassin || 03/22/2004 19:18 Comments || Top||

#18  Hey, honey? What's that oozing out your ears?
Posted by: Yassins virgn || 03/22/2004 19:24 Comments || Top||

#19  Shouldn't that be "late and un-lamented"?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 21:12 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Egypt Wants UN Resolution Banning Asylum for Terrorists
Egypt wants the United Nations to adopt a semi-binding resolution that would ban all countries from giving “sanctuary or political asylum to terrorists,” President Hosni Mubarak said here yesterday. Mubarak, speaking at a news conference with his Senegalese counterpart Abdoulaye Wade, repeated a longstanding call for a UN-sponsored conference on terrorism, which he said should force countries to keep out terrorists. He stressed that “anti-terrorist operations under way in various regions could not definitively settle” the problem. “We must hold an international conference within the United Nations, which would adopt a semi-binding resolution or resolutions for all states to prevent them from granting sanctuary or political asylum to terrorists,” he said. “That is one of the reasons why terrorism is thriving at the moment,” Mubarak said. Meanwhile, Wade said Egypt and Senegal were in “complete agreement” on how to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli problem.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 1:51:13 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "a semi-binding resolution or resolutions for all states to prevent them from granting sanctuary or political asylum to terrorists"

Of course, in their minds, and the minds of many, paleo suicide bombers are "freedom fighters," not terrorists. And Israel, to these same, small minds, is "a terrorist nation." Welcome to the orwellian world. Get used to it. It'll be here for a while.

Egypt and Senegal were in “complete agreement” on how to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli problem

Interesting they don't say how. Would that, perhaps, be to eradicate the Zionist Entity?
Posted by: PlanetDan || 03/22/2004 14:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Several rabid islamic terrorists from Egypt have been granted sanctuary in Britain and other countries. This isn't quite as crazy as it sounds.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Heh, did Egypt think about what position the Palestinian Authority would be placed in when they proposed this?

On a side note: searching the UN web site for a list of designated terrorist organizations turned up references to lists, but no actual list. Does such a thing exist?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||

#4  Bomb-a-rama, try this
Posted by: tipper || 03/22/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#5  th edefinition of terrorist was previously debated in the General Assembly IIRC, and could not be decided on - too many "freedom fighters" where Jooooos are ready to be killed
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#6  You know, President Bush has invited Mubarrak to Crawford in a few weeks--you can only surmise that they'll have lots to talk about, like how Egypt can keep getting that $1 billion in aid.

This dealie about "refusing to harbor terrorists," though--isn't this just another way to say to the Paleostinians," Look, when the Israelis have chased you out of the West Bank and Gaza, don't think for a second that you'll have a new home here."
"King" Abdullah of Jordan has said basically the same thing, too.
Yasser Arafat is Egyptian--the first place he'd try to run to, to set up the new PA-in-exile would be Egypt.
Mubarrak's signalling to him (and Hamas and Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, etc., etc., etc.) that that will NOT be an option.
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 22:29 Comments || Top||

#7  Jen - it's actually over $2B per annum now, with all the various bits summed in... Here's a link to the Egypt entry in USAID's "Greenbook" - which only goes through 2001. You can see Egypt received $1.7B that year. Grown since then. Here's the link to the USAID's "Yellowbook" which details business-oriented loans and grants - mostly NGO stuff - also through 2001. No one can call us skinflints, that's for damned sure.

B-a-R - I can't locate the UN list either.

tipper - Thx!
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 22:48 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Zionist attack triggers retaliation
This morning’s murder of Hamas’ spiritual leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin by Zionist thugs has triggered angry reaction among Palestinians. Hours after the assassination, an axe-wielding Palestinian wounded three people outside an army base near Tel Aviv on Monday There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, which followed vows of revenge by Hamas and another resistance group, al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, for the killing of Yasin in a helicopter missile strike in Gaza. "A man from the Palestinian territories got out of a car and attacked three people with an axe," a police officer told Zionist Radio. A police statement said two men and a woman were injured none seriously - in the incident outside an army base in the city of Ramat Gan and that the Palestinian was arrested.

Also on Monday, a loud explosion echoed on the Palestinian side of the main crossing between the Zionist entity and the Gaza Strip and a Zionist soldier said a bomb was thought to have detonated there. "A small bomb exploded on the Palestinian side," a Zionist soldier manning a watchpost told Reuters. But Palestinian security sources said the blast was believed to have been caused by a makeshift "Qassam" rocket fired by Hamas fighters in the aftermath of Yasin’s killing. Zionist military sources said they had no details about any possible casualties. Qassam rockets, named after Hamas’ military wing, are frequently fired by Hamas, but have never led to any Zionist fatalities.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 1:23:01 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I love it when our enemy called us Zionists, in their ignorance thinking they are insulting, what they do not know and is part of God's plan every time they say it, they are preasing us, because being a Zionist is God's blessing to the Jews, the Zionist fullfil the prophecy of the return of the Jews to their land. The same goes to when some people are calling Jews as an insult is another praise, Jews means the people that never stop giving Thanks to God.
Posted by: LENA || 03/22/2004 14:34 Comments || Top||

#2  The caught the perp; Aliz e Bordin
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 15:31 Comments || Top||

#3  B - heh heh, very subtle....I like it
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 19:00 Comments || Top||

#4  If I were in Israel, I'd definitely be packing. (a firearm, not a suitcase)

Oh, wait - I am. Fancy that.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 21:14 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Terrorist Bodies Pile Up
Since March 15, there have been over 20 weapons caches found in the vicinities of Bagram, Sharona, Ghazni, and Khowst. On Wednesday, March 17, a coalition patrol contacted eight Anti-Coalition Militia (ACM) northeast of Deh Rawod. One ACM was killed and one wounded. In the village of Miam Do, 40 km NW of Tarin Kowt, Coalition and ANA soldiers came under fire Thursday, March 18. Coalition forces returned fire, killing five anti-coalition militia. Coalition forces cordoned off the area and the next day were fired on again. Forces then called on those inside to surrender, and also asked for those inside to send out any non-combatants. Coalition forces received no answer. Coalition forces then called in an air strike with a B-1 bomber and an A-10 jet. Forces moved into the compound and were fired on again, but managed to clear the compound. Coalition forces discovered three dead enemy fighters and one woman. Also found was an injured woman whom coalition forces evacuated to Bagram where she is currently undergoing treatment. In that compound forces found Taliban propaganda and approximately one ton of ammunition and weapons including rockets, mines, machine guns, and rocket propelled grenade launchers.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 03/22/2004 10:20:04 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's not nearly enough. Get on the stick, guys! ;-)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:42 Comments || Top||


Middle East
Killing will unleash a Bloody Vengeance™, Arab leaders warn
Israel’s assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin has enraged the Arab and Muslim world which has called for revenge and predicted that the region would plunge deeper into violence.
"Grrrr! I'm seethin'! How 'bout you, Mahmoud?"
Mohamed Mahdi Akef, leader of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, called it "an unforgivable crime". Palestinians should not lay down their arms because violence was the only language that Israel understood, he said. "We will not rest. We will not sleep until the last Zionist leaves our territory." Lebanon’s President Emile Lahoud warned that "Israel will find the same fate in the occupied territories as it found in south Lebanon". In Iran a Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hamid Reza Asefi, said: "This is a criminal act and a further example of the Zionist regime’s barbarity ... The Zionist regime will plunge further into the crisis it brought upon itself."
Blah Blah, Seeth, dire revenge, kill all the joos, etc. etc. The fact that a terrorist murderer responsible for hundreds of deaths can no longer kill and instigate others to kill seems to be completely lost on these people, including most of the western media. The Euro are wobbling big time and the Arabs just want well ’dire revenge’ TM. Its the time to stand firm and follow up with more of the same. The paleos are panicking big time because they now realize that their systematic violence will result in them loosing most of what was on the table 3 years ago. Listening to the paleo talking heads on CNN and BBC they realize they are in big trouble and their personal prospects of hanging from a lamppost just went up significantly. The left is faced with its tranzi vision of peace love and everyone being nice being an abject failure in its primary test bed the paleo terrortories. Me, I’m enjoying it. (rant off).

I love it when they rend their garments and cut themselves with knives until they're covered with blood. It's so... Old Testament.
Posted by: phil_b || 03/22/2004 9:45:43 AM || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sorry Hamid, It's not a criminal act. That crap don't play out any more. It's war and Iran is in it.

As if Hamas wasn't plotting it's next operation by it's brigades. Their coup de mains.
Posted by: Lucky || 03/22/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Vengeance? Oh, I forgot, these mooks preempt their vengeance -- effect comes before cause.
Posted by: VRWconspiracy || 03/22/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#3  there is no cause<=> effect relationship in Islamworld
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#4  virgin time!!! line 'em up at the wheelchair!!!

Sheesh, Omar???? Do all virgins have horns in Heaven???
Posted by: anymouse || 03/22/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#5  Um, Mohammed Atta? What exatly did that horned guy mean by "72 dominatrices?"
Posted by: Sheikh Ahmed Yassin || 03/22/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#6  there were 200,000 on the streets of Gaza today for the funeral - with a pop of 1.2 million and almost no one employed, they could have done better

and apparently no big protests on the W Bank or in Jordan or Egypt or Morocco, etc.

the only people really pissed off, beside the Hamas hard core are the Euroweenies and their american affiliates
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#7  It's always "Dire Revenge!" with these guys. Can't they ever do plain old non-dire revenge?
Posted by: Mike || 03/22/2004 17:47 Comments || Top||

#8  "Dire Revenge."

Ho-hum.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - yadda, yadda, yadda.

Give it a rest, willya?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Mike - Or mebbe Super-Dire Revenge? Or Ultra-Dire? Or Mega-Dire? Or Hyper-Dire?

These are all superlative prefixes my daughter used (in approx order of magnitude) to apply to music "stars"... In her lexicon ONE hit song = Super Star. I tried to explain to her that, given her adjective inflation rate, she would run out of superlatives for anyone who actually had, say, 10 hits. Didn't faze her. I surrendered.
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 22:04 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Newsday - Quotes on Israel’s Killing of Hamas Chief
Some comments from both sides after Israel’s killing of Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin:

"The Israeli air force this morning killed the mastermind of all evil, Ahmed Yassin, who was a preacher of death." -- Chief Israeli military spokeswoman Brig. Gen. Ruth Yaron.

"The war against terror has not ended and will continue day after day, everywhere. ... This is a difficult struggle that all the countries of the enlightened world must participate in. It is the natural right of the Jewish people, like that of all nations in the world that love life, to hunt down those who rise to destroy it." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"Justice has been done." -- Agriculture Minister Israel Katz.

"The operation attests to complete lunacy. The decision came from the gut and not from the head." -- Avshalom Vilan, a lawmaker from the dovish Yahad Party.

"This is one of the biggest crimes that the Israeli government has committed." -- Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia.

"He (Yasser Arafat) is like a man who was hit on the head because they killed Yassin and now they could kill him. He feels his turn is next and he is sad and worried." -- an aide to Arafat, describing the Palestinian leader’s reaction.

"Words cannot describe the emotion of anger and hate inside our hearts." -- Ismail Haniyeh, a close associate of Yassin.

"Yassin is a man in a nation, and a nation in a man. And the retaliation of this nation will be of the size of this man. ... You will see deeds not words." -- Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantissi.

"The Zionists didn’t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration, and it must take responsibility for this crime." -- Hamas statement to The Associated Press.

"The United States urges all sides to remain calm and exercise restraint." -- U.S. State Department spokesman Lou Fintor.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 9:16:54 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ""The Zionists didn’t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration, and it must take responsibility for this crime." -- Hamas statement to The Associated Press."

I do believe that's a declaration of war against us.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#2  DPA -- they've said the same thing a hundred times, and no administration has ever taken them on their word. Until we flush out the State Department and get rid of the current crop of Democrats, I don't think we'll be able to act on threats like that.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#3  RC - I happily agree with the idea that this wouldn't have happened had the US not tacitly approved of Yassin whacking quite a while back.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Next!
Posted by: Texan || 03/22/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Yassin is a man in a nation, and a nation in a man. And the retaliation of this nation will be of the size of this man

ahhhh so the retaliation will be inlittle bits and goblets huh?

nice shooting IAF!
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 9:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Its pretty obvious that Egypt and Jordan both gave tacit approval of this otherwise they would have organized some nice street riots and done some frothing of their own. Mubarak said it was 'regrettable...' which is pretty weak and Yassir has only sent his mouthpieces out to speak which is even weaker.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 10:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Frank G -- Bits and goblets riding around in a wheelchair no less.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#8  Damn! I'm still paralyzed and it damn hot....
Posted by: Saruman || 03/22/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#9  Rantisi you're next.
Posted by: BMN || 03/22/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#10  "This is one of the biggest crimes that the Israeli government has committed." -- Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia.

I'm surprised that the press still keeps track of this clown. Isn't he sort of irrelevant? He's not even wacky enough to play the Kucinich comic relief role.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#11  Mirable dictu, the State Department did not condemn the wack job on the wack job out of hand.
Posted by: VRWconspiracy || 03/22/2004 11:24 Comments || Top||

#12  "The Zionists didn’t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration, and it must take responsibility for this crime."

Yassin is one person. Three Americans diplomats died last October in Gaza. The Palestinians are still ahead, so why complain?

"This is one of the biggest crimes that the Israeli government has committed."

If intentionally killing terrorists is a crime, then intentionally killing civilians is an even bigger crime.

"Words cannot describe the emotion of anger and hate inside our hearts."

Not necessary. Reasonable people know precisely what's inside their hearts.

"Yassin is a man in a nation, and a nation in a man. And the retaliation of this nation will be of the size of this man. ... You will see deeds not words."

Rantisi, you're next.



Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 12:54 Comments || Top||

#13  Napalm the funeral parade. That'd get half of the Hamas boomers, right there.
Posted by: mojo || 03/22/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#14  I'm pretty damned tired of all this seething and whining coming from the Arabs in the Middle East. If they can't understand that other people don't like it when they kill their children, maybe we should show them just how mean, evil, wicked, bad, nasty, cruel and heartless we really can be and totally destroy both the West Bank and Gaza for Israel. Too bad we don't still have a Missouri-class battleship or two that could stand twenty miles offshore and slam them until the barrels melted, or until there wasn't anything left to blow up.

IF the Arab world ever uses any weapon of mass destruction on the United States, we need to make sure there are no inhabitable cities left in that area.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 03/22/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#15 
"The Zionists didn’t carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American administration, and it must take responsibility for this crime." -- Hamas statement to The Associated Press."
Oh, go stuff a sock in it. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Useless wankers.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#16  "He (Yasser Arafat) is like a man who was hit on the head because they killed Yassin and now they could kill him. He feels his turn is next and he is sad and worried." -- an aide to Arafat, describing the Palestinian leader’s reaction.

Got your attention, did it?
Good.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#17  Robert, Do you have a link to them threatening us? I hadn't seen that before.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 18:04 Comments || Top||

#18  i would like to see these bastards try and target the US. hamas is bunch of fucking punk bitches that need to be slapped! we are going after all terrorists and if hamas wants to move up thier timetable, well bring it on!
Posted by: Dan || 03/22/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#19  "The United States urges all sides to remain calm and exercise restraint." -- U.S. State Department spokesman Lou Fintor.

"Hokay, I'm with you guys."
--Delmar O'Donnel, from the film O Brother Where Art Thou?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 18:47 Comments || Top||


Guardian's tearful Obit for Sheikh Ahmed Yassin
When the half-blind, almost wholly paralysed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin arrived in Gaza in October 1997 after his release from an Israeli jail in exchange for Mossad agents caught trying to assassinate a colleague in Jordan, one Arab commentator likened him to Nelson Mandela. That was a comparison that must have made Yasser Arafat inwardly seethe, even as he heaped outward homage on the returning hero, who has been killed in an Israeli air strike aged around 67. For if there were any Palestinian Mandela, any unique, historic leader of the Palestinian people, Arafat believed he was it.

In truth, neither Arafat nor Yassin had Mandela's special greatness. But of the two it was Yassin, the founder-leader of the militant Islamist organisation Hamas who came closer. This was not to be found in his beliefs - which, in their narrow, religious frame, were far removed from the South African's lofty humanism and compassion - but in the facts of his career, and the part which certain very personal qualities, of selflessness, simplicity, conviction, and a true sense of service, played in bringing it to fruition.

Yassin had personal glory largely thrust upon him. He was in his late 50s, and a very sick man, before he became a really potent force on the Middle East political stage. As a prisoner in enemy jails, he had little to do in a practical sense with the devastating suicide bombings, from which, more than anything else, he derived that force. Indeed, for most of his career, as a local leader of the international Muslim Brotherhood, he had shared its deep-rooted, strategically motivated opposition to direct, violent action against the Zionist foe, let alone of such an extreme and atrocious kind.

He was more devoted to the revival of Islam than to the salvation of Palestine, deeming that the second goal could only be pursued after the completion of the first. Indeed, there had actually been a time when, on account both of his quietism, the ideological challenge he posed to militant secular nationalism, and his opposition to the armed struggle espoused by the Palestine Liberation Organisation, that the Israelis looked benevolently on him and his works. The PLO nationalists had even branded him a collaborator.
It goes on and on. If you read the rest, it might do to have a supply of insulin handy.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 09:03 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Palestinian Mandela = nostalgia for the world pulling together to end apartied. Sheesh. At least they didn't stoop to the Ghandi parallel.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#2  The term "quietism" hardly applies to Yassin and terrorists like him. He had one purpose in life: the extermination of 5,000,000 Israeli Jews. His terrorists were carry out the killings piecemeal, only because they couldn't do it wholesale.
Posted by: Man Bites Dog || 03/22/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Update - Al-Qaida Suspects May Have Fled in Tunnel
EFL
Top al-Qaida terrorists may have escaped a siege by thousands of Pakistani soldiers through several secret tunnels leading from mud fortresses to a dry mountain stream near the border with Afghanistan, a security chief said Monday. The longest tunnel found so far was more than 1 mile long and led from the homes of two local men -- Nek Mohammed and Sharif Khan -- to a stream near the frontier, said Brig. Mahmood Shah, head of security for Pakistan’s tribal regions. "There is a possibility that the tunnel may have been used at the start of the operation," Shah told journalists in Peshawar, the provincial capital. He said the tunnels began at the homes in the village of Kaloosha and led in the direction of a mountain range that straddles the border.
Didn't James Bond use this trick once? Or was it the ventilation ducts in the old fortress? I can never remember.
Three senior officials have told AP that they believe al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri may have been at the site, though the government has repeatedly said it does not know who is inside. President Gen. Pervez Musharraf said Thursday that a "high-value" target was likely involved. The militants may have used the tunnel to escape during the disastrous first day of the operation on Mar. 16, when at least 15 soldiers were killed in fierce fighting. Still, Lt. Gen. Safdar Hussain, the commander of the operation, said over the weekend that authorities believe an important terrorist remains inside, based on the level of resistance of the holdouts. Pakistan’s military said it was conducting DNA tests to identify six suspected foreign terrorists killed in the fighting, but would not elaborate on whether they included any important terror figure. Five bodies of what appeared to be 25- to 30-year-old men were displayed to journalists at a military mortuary in Rawalpindi late Sunday. Al-Zawahri, an Egyptian surgeon, is 52 years old. The bodies were laid out on stretchers and in open coffins in bloodied clothes. Military officials said they were all foreigners, but it was impossible for journalists to determine their nationality. They said the sixth body had decomposed and that it would have been inhumane to show it.
Of course the journalists can't tell the nationality. The locals, however, had no problem at all.
"At this moment, whatever information we have about the tests we would not like to give out until we are 200 percent sure who they are," army spokesman Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told a press conference. "For us, every foreigner who is caught or killed, is important because we do not know who they are. We took the decision to do DNA tests to confirm the identities of these people. I cannot say if any among them is al-Zawahri."
I doubt if he is. Too important to The Movement to actually get shot up...
In Wana on Monday, an 18-member tribal peace delegation crossed through a tight military cordon for talks with elders of the Yargul Khel tribe, believed to be fighting alongside the al-Qaida militants. The delegation, carrying a white flag, was bringing three government demands: that the fighters free 12 soldiers and two government officials taken captive last week; that they hand over tribesmen involved in the fighting; and that they kick out any foreigners or show the military where to track them down. Shah said that "in light of the past experience we are not very hopeful" the delegation would succeed.
I was fully expecting the Paks to screw it up, so I'm not surprised. There's a reason they've never won a war.
Also Monday, Gen. John Abizaid, leader of the U.S. Central Command, was in Pakistan on an unannounced visit, Sultan said. He said a top army official met with Abizaid -- who oversees U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq -- and insisted the trip had nothing to do with the offensive in Wana.
No. He just popped by to admire the Paks' prowess in the field.
Shah said 123 suspects have been arrested in the week-old offensive. He said the homes of 13 tribesmen accused of harboring the terrorists were leveled on Sunday and Monday. Shahzad Uddin, a resident in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, reported fighting resumed between army troops and militants for three hours before dawn in Duz Ghondai, a village about 5 miles to the west, the scene of earlier battles. Shah said there had been no fire since the tribal delegation arrived at around 10 a.m. Monday. But he refused to call the lull a cease-fire, and said fighting would resume if the militants refuse to surrender.
Or think the Paks' guard is down, which it will be.
In Afghanistan, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad told the AP on Sunday that the United States was "very encouraged" by the ongoing Pakistani offensive. He said senior Taliban and al-Qaida leaders were plotting attacks on Afghan and U.S. targets from Pakistan. "We know several key Taliban figures are there, and there is some sense that some of the remaining al-Qaida leaders are in the border area on the other side," Khalilzad said.
I've got a sense they're comfortably established in South Waziristan, with a headquarters, logistics system, and probably dancing girls. NWFP is outside the control of the Pak government. The people who do control it are the local banditti.
Shah reiterated a pledge not to turn any captured Pakistanis over to a foreign country, presumably the United States. That promise did not apply to the foreign militants. Security officials said their prisoners included Pakistanis, Arabs, Chechens, Uzbeks and ethnic Uighurs from China’s predominantly Muslim Xinjiang province. They added it is difficult to distinguish the foreigners from locals, as they have often lived in the region for a long time and speak the local Pashto language.
"Yew ain't from 'round heer, are yew?"
The operation has forced thousands of villagers from their homes, and provoked deep anger at the army. According to local government officials and intelligence officers, about two dozen local people were killed in attacks on five vehicles Saturday. In the neighboring tribal region of North Waziristan, attackers fired four rockets at a paramilitary training school near the town of Miran Shah on Sunday night, wounding one soldier, a government official there said on the condition of anonymity.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 9:26:10 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Use more money. It's cheaper.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:35 Comments || Top||

#2  I am not sure there is such a thing as a "secret tunnel" with construction, maintenence and convenience of use all favoring more people knowing about it rather than less...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 03/22/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Secret Tunnels™ are available for purchase at VillainSupply.com and like vinyl windows, can be easily retrofitted to your existing fortified adobe/mudwall compound without cutting the stucco
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 11:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Bugs Bunny painted secret tunnels on the sides of walls and then ran through them. Elmer Fudd following behind Bugs and ran into a painted wall. Would that situation have anything to do with Waziristan, or is it just the Pak army?
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#5  several secret tunnels leading from mud fortresses to a dry mountain stream

It's part of the old water supply and irrigation system common in this part of the world. Like a aquaduct, but under ground. Only secret to outsiders, they have been there for hundreds of years. Locals would know all about them. Rambo used them to sneak into Afghan fortess to rescue his friend in the third movie.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 13:58 Comments || Top||

#6  AP: Must be those mischevious jinns we're always reading about.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 16:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Surprise level: zero.
Posted by: someone || 03/22/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#8  And the crowing by the Right Wing Press has ceased--just another Bush Admin illusion---when we're not being frightened--we're getting hyped to capture the bad guyz--and as usual--neither event happens! And the lies from Condi and co--just keep on coming
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#9  I thought we got Sadaam. Oh well, can't trust the papers these days.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 23:37 Comments || Top||


Pakistan: 600 Terrorists Bagged
Pakistan’s High Commissioner to the UK Dr Maleeha Lodhi said on Sunday the arrest of another hundred suspected terrorists during the ongoing operation in South Waziristan spoke of Pakistan’s significant contribution and resolve to fight against terror. "We have already apprehended 500 terrorists and with the arrest of 100 is a very significant contribution to this war on terror. We are trying to determine their identity", as they did not carry their identity with them, she said while speaking at a BBC programme "Breakfast with David Frost" here.
Up to 600, even using Pakistani math that’s a sizable group.
Most will be local Waziri thugs, is my guess. The Lahore High Court will let them off...
This underscored that Pakistan was playing a front line role in the war against terrorism, she said. Maleeha said the authorities were trying to exactly determine the identity of the people arrested during this operation but among them were a mix of Uzebiks, Chechens and locals, she said.
Mostly cannon fodder, I’ll wager.
A cordon and search operation is still underway in South Waziristan in a region, 20 km inside Pakistani territory at the border areas which was a treacherous terrain, she said.
Keep looking, a Mister Big should be around somewhere.
He's long gone, probably back in Riyadh by now.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 9:34:55 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The 600 are the total # pakistan has arrested since the WoT started. Only 100 in the current operation have been arrested. Just making that clear.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||


Abizaid in Pakistan During al-Qaida Hunt
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 09:09 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Israel-Palestine
Time for a wheelchair swarm
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, spiritual head of Palestinian militant group Hamas, has been killed in an Israeli air strike. He was targeted as he returned from a mosque in Gaza City at daybreak. Five others were killed and some 15 wounded. Thousands of angry Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza in protest and Hamas said Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had "opened the gates of hell". The Israeli army said Sheikh Yassin had been personally responsible" for attacks that had killed many Israelis.
Good work Israel - World class seething to follow
Posted by: Lux || 03/22/2004 1:46:26 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "spiritual leader" pfeh! What spirit did he worship?

"opened the gates of hell" - Oh. Hamas is finally out in the open with which side they are on.
Posted by: eLarson || 03/22/2004 9:19 Comments || Top||

#2  War is "open" with Israel, senior Hamas leader Abdul Aziz al-Rantissi declared today on Al-Arabiya television after the Islamist movement's spiritual guide Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter strike on the Gaza Strip.

OK, war it is.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 9:27 Comments || Top||

#3  YES,YES,ULAULAULA.

Don't ya just luv it!
Posted by: Raptor || 03/22/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#4  About time they made him more spiritual. Same should be done for Arafat.

I hear that there are protesters - how come these people arent being truncheoned and arrested? Is this occupied territory or not?
Posted by: flash91 || 03/22/2004 9:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Burn in hell you scum sucking piece of shit. This has to be the best news I've heard in awhile. Hamas, ask yourselves, do you *really* want open war with Israel? They'll crush you like the insects you are. Go Israel!
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 03/22/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#6  I wonder how 'warm' Arafat is feeling right now....

And war was always open -- when a government (such as the PA and Hamas) target and murder innocent civilians it is usually classifed as an act of war. I am suprised Israel has restrained herself from going totally mideval on there ass.

Will the 'gates of hell' open before, or after, the long antiicipated 'sea of fire'?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 03/22/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#7  This is GREAT news!!!! I heard on FOX today that Hamas said they'd hit the US not too - first time they've openly said that.
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 9:58 Comments || Top||

#8  Yosemite Sam -- it is NOT the first time Hamas has said that. I just got an honestreporting.com bulletin that pointed out earlier remarks from Sheik Smear himself calling for attacks on the US.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 10:06 Comments || Top||

#9  Fuckin jews! first u crucified jesus, then u started killing innocent muslims in refugee camps, now u killed a half paralysed person...Oh Boy that I am waiting for the rebirth of Hitler..to rape your your moms, sister, daughters, to kill ur kids and to kill u nerd looking freaks with big hats and curly hair, just for fun..... fuck you fagots.
We shall have 52 swastikas in our flag, just to remind you fags that its not ur country, which by the way remind me that u can never have one cause u are the cursed religon. So Go Hamas and kill them...kill them all, though send me their mom and daughters, so that I can feel their jewish pussies and their butts. Go Hitler...Go Nazis..Go Hamas! Fuck the jews
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Posted by: Jack Brown || 03/22/2004 10:41 Comments || Top||

#10  Thank you, representaive from the Arab League. We will come for you in turn.
Posted by: ed || 03/22/2004 10:51 Comments || Top||

#11  We love you to Jack. Care to buy a tinfoil hat?
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 03/22/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#12  Those grapes are really sour, aren't they, Jack?
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||

#13  Jack Brown, u the man....U said what I intended to say. I just wanna add one thing that I always have had relationship with jewish gals...just cause i want to corrupt them.....Like having three somes with them.....Boy that was fun
Posted by: Thomas || 03/22/2004 11:01 Comments || Top||

#14  LOL. Guess what guys? Turns out I'm in hell and I'm still paralyzed and the bongs are maid of tinfoil
Posted by: Saruman || 03/22/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#15  RC - thanks, I didn't know about that.

JB(aka Boris) - Dude, take a pill and chill, because you have problems. By the way, Everyone you 'cheered' for has lost or are losing in a BIG way. What sez you to that?
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#16  This deranged twosome forces me to speculate that the neo-nazis have discovered a way to disable the safeties on their microwaves so that they will still operate with their craniums stuffed in the door.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#17  and the bongs are maid of tinfoil
that beter for smokeing crank.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/22/2004 11:09 Comments || Top||

#18  Jack, Thomas, dead Ahmed,

At least learn to change your writing style when you use multiple identities.

The problem with you Religion of Sexual Molestation worshippers is that you have sexual fantasies that you are not man enough to fulfull, so MoHo had to promise you in death, what you can only jack off to in life. Suggest you write your next note to Penthouse Forum. Sucker.
Posted by: ed || 03/22/2004 11:14 Comments || Top||

#19  JB - I'm thinking Prozac, Adderall, Buspar, and Lithium are in your future. Better yet, take them all at once. I'd list all of the mental deficiencies you exhibit from the Diagnostic Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM for you in the trade) but Fred would have to bill me for the bandwidth.

The meds will make you feel a bit better but unfortunately, they won't correct your intellectual shortcomings. Sorry 'bout that!
Posted by: Doc8404 || 03/22/2004 11:21 Comments || Top||

#20  Hey Jack:

F*O*A*D
Posted by: Flaming Sword || 03/22/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#21  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Removed || 03/22/2004 12:11 Comments || Top||

#22  Gee Jack(Boris), that was such a clever comeback. I can't believe you thought of that all by yourself.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#23  Boris, you're such a bore. Why don't you go play someplace you're wanted, like in the middle of the nearest highway?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 03/22/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#24  Boris - I'm still waiting for an answer from you. Why did all the groups your 'cheered' for above lose BIG TIME??? If they were so good, why did they loose?
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#25  If you want some laughs you should check out Allah's take on the whole situation. Also, by the photos posted, it looks like they did quite a number on Suraman's head.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 12:59 Comments || Top||

#26  Mr. Sharon your day's are numbered. Hopefully all the nukes/wmd the US was saying IRAQ had are now in the hands of hamas so they can level Israel.
Posted by: Crux || 03/22/2004 16:50 Comments || Top||

#27  I guess we can coin a new word for this - he was Klinghoffered
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 03/22/2004 18:20 Comments || Top||

#28  yassin is, at this moment, totally aware that he fucked up long ago. He is experiencing what God Almighty has in store for him. His soul is terrified beyond belief...... "If only I could talk to my brothers....and tell them THE TRUTH, before it's too late for them....as it is for me"!; he wails to himself.

He will burn forever...and ever. And, deservedly so.
Posted by: Texan || 03/23/2004 0:15 Comments || Top||

#29  Crux - You mean Abdul Al Asshat doncha? LOL!

If the WMD's ever make it out of the bunkers in Syria and are "delivered" to Israel, you can believe all bets are off and everything you seem to support will be vaporized. It's readily apparent that you just don't fucking get it. Given your comment, you dream of oblivion - a Nihilist. I hope we can grant your heart's desire before someone as moronic and self-destructive as you gets their itchy little fingers on a launch button. Some people are just too stupid to live. You qualify. No matter where you are, and I suspect you're just another utterly clueless Lefty Loonie somewhere in the West with a self-hate complex, may you get your due, fucktard.
Posted by: .com || 03/23/2004 0:41 Comments || Top||

#30  Ariel Sharon had "opened the gates of hell".
No wonder, someone had to let Yassin in !
Posted by: The Dodo || 03/23/2004 5:57 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Al Qaeda Fugitives May Have Fled Through Tunnel
File this one under the "Duh" files.
Top Al Qaeda terrorists may have escaped a siege by thousands of Pakistani soldiers through several secret tunnels leading from mud fortresses to a dry mountain stream near the border with Afghanistan, a security chief said Monday. The longest tunnel found so far was more than 1 mile long and led from the homes of two local men —Nek Mohammed and Sharif Khan — to a stream near the frontier, said Brig. Mahmood Shah, head of security for Pakistan?s tribal regions. "There is a possibility that the tunnel may have been used at the start of the operation," Shah told journalists in Peshawar (search), the provincial capital. He said the tunnels began at the homes in the village of Kaloosha and led in the direction of a mountain range that straddles the border.
Typical SW Asia tribal op - bloody, noisy but not all that effective in terms of catching the honchos.
Posted by: OldSpook || 03/22/2004 8:27:44 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  secret tunnels leading from mud fortresses to a dry mountain stream

Ah, thought it might be part of the old water system. Very common in this part of the world, some of them are hundreds of years old.
Posted by: Steve || 03/22/2004 9:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like a replay of Tora Bora.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 9:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Just another part of the fabulous A/Q cave system.... buy or rent the locals, find out how much they require and just do it.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#4  A one mile tunnel is of little use if you are at the center of a 10 mile diameter cordon. Also a mile-long tunnel through rocky soil doesn't get built overnight. This location was carefully chosen as a base for AQ. The tunnel would have been used each time the government troops came to inspect. It is extremely important that we dislodged AQ from this town because the fallback HQ will not be as good. I'll bet that each one of these Islamic Prep Schools has some tunneling in progress. They definitely have the available manpower.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Sure is a great place for "shrubs with sniper rifles" to "wait for wiley wabbits" though...
Posted by: Capsu78 || 03/22/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#6  I think we should draw lessons from this incident. What happenned? Very simple Al Quaida built a tunnel but stopped at a couple yards from the surface so the thing is undetectable. When they are discovered the terrorists resist and then ask for ceasefire promising to surrender at dawn. In the meantime they dig they open the tunnel and the non-expendable guys escape.

We should not allow ceasefires and from the start we should use what is needed (including armor, choppers and fixed wing aircraft) to wipe out the resistance in (few) hours instead of days. And of course some UAVs watching movement would be a boon.
Posted by: JFM || 03/22/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#7  JFM, unfortunately we weren't in control of the situation, the Pakistanis were. As long as we rely on locals, be they Pakistanis or Afghan tribesman as at Tora Bora, we can expect a half-assed effort and result.
Posted by: Dakotah || 03/22/2004 12:09 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Al-Qaeda has a Sahara base
Al-Qaida has established a base deep in the Sahara Desert for planning terrorist attacks against Europe, a Moroccan newspaper reported Sunday. Al Ahdath Al Maghribia, quoting reliable Moroccan intelligence sources, said al-Qaida has developed a "rear base" for its European operations where the borders of Morocco, Algeria, Mali and Mauritania meet. The remote location is difficult to penetrate by intelligence gathering groups, but accessible to the terrorists through all four countries. Osama bin Laden's terrorist group moved into the desert area recently, after other guerrilla organizations already established operating there, such as the Moroccan faction of the Algerian Islamic Foundation Front (FIS), became its allies, according to the paper. It said Moroccan intelligence sources spoke of the difficulty of raiding the desert camp, but said they had been able to track "terrorist movements" in the Sahara. Al Ahdeth Al Maghribia also reported that U.S. intelligence had recently established a surveillance and listening post in the Algerian Sahara.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:07:54 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Key to taking this out will be coordinating military action on different sides of the borders, yet another "hammer and anvil" problem. Maybe why US is now training troops in Mali.

Dont suppose AQ wants to run into Moroccan army, IIUC one of the few efficient Arab armies.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 03/22/2004 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Did the military develop the MOAB for "excreta or titters", or just such a gathering of terrorists in remote regions? There is no momento I would enjoy more than a piece of glass infused with the blood, brains, teeth and eyeballs of an entire class of al-Qa'ida teachers and students.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#3  It would be safe to say that every person inside said camp would be a terrorist....right? Why not destroy everything in sight? INSTANTLY!

THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO!!
Posted by: Texan || 03/22/2004 3:16 Comments || Top||

#4  "In the remoted desert camp deep in the Sahara - nobody can hear you scream"
Posted by: Frank G || 03/22/2004 8:22 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 10:38 Comments || Top||

#6  Ranger, desert camp needs supplies. Look for the wagon wheels, masked one.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#7  The remote location is difficult to penetrate by intelligence gathering groups, but accessible to the terrorists through all four countries.

I'll bet it'd be real accessible to an AC-130. Cruise on up some night, fire up the infrared and let her eat.
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/22/2004 15:45 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Yassin now floating pink mist
Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the founder and leader of the Hamas militant group that targeted Israelis in suicide bombings, was killed by missiles fired from Israeli helicopters as he left a mosque at daybreak Monday.
Gone. Passed away. Departed this vale of tears. Titzup, ass down. Nothing but a fond memory and a lingering odor...
Hamas confirmed the death in an announcement broadcast over mosque loudspeakers and vowed dire revenge against Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Witnesses said Israeli helicopters fired three missiles at the wheelchair-bound Yassin and two bodyguards as they left the mosque, killing them instantly. A total of four people were killed and 12 wounded.
Decomposing. Come down all over with the rigor mortis. Communing with Himmler. Suffering from the heat...
Here's the original Fat Lady post from last night, if you missed it (yeah, right!)...
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/22/2004 12:11:08 AM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A big success for the IDF. Reason to celebrate certainly.

Looks to me like theyre trying to clear the ground for Dahlan to take over when they leave Gaza. Word is that while Dahlan dominates Gaza city, Hamas/AAMB dominated Rafah and the smuggling tunnels to Egypt.

Getting Yassin also makes it harder for Hamas to spin Gaza withdrawl as a victory.

Next target Rantissi, I presume.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 03/22/2004 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Was he awarded a medal for his efforts in the Palestinian struggle posthAmAsly? Ah, haha.
Posted by: Mahmoud, the Weasel || 03/22/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||

#3  To the tune of "The Wheels on the Bus":

Saruman is DEAD DEAD DEAD
DEAD DEAD DEAD
DEAD DEAD DEAD
Saruman is DEAD DEAD DEAD
And off to HELL!!!
Posted by: Edward Yee || 03/22/2004 0:26 Comments || Top||

#4  SWEET!!!!! Ululation time!

YA YA YA YA YA YA Allah Akbar!!!
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 0:34 Comments || Top||

#5  And let's not forget to fire AK47s in celebration.
Posted by: JFM || 03/22/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes! Yes! YES!!!!!!!
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 03/22/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||

#7  Check out Little Green Football's photo tribute to the wheelchair swarm.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 1:03 Comments || Top||

#8  Are you all Ameropathic ZionNazis?
Violence Breeds Violence. Who started it? The US and Israel started it.
Posted by: PeaceNik || 03/22/2004 1:08 Comments || Top||

#9  Violence Breeds Violence.

but the element using Hellfire missiles and the AH-64 will have more success breeding.

Bye, Yassin. It's been a ride. You got off lightly. May you burn in hell.
Posted by: badanov || 03/22/2004 1:16 Comments || Top||

#10  Wrongo, PeaceNik--the Arab Muslims started it right after Israel declared nationhood in 1947 and they've never stopped.
Ask around, read some history and keep up!
The Islamists were the ones that decided Israel shouldn't exist and that all Jews should be killed and Yassin was the prime pusher of this.
That's what it's MOST EXCELLENT that he's a blood stain and a mangled wheelchair!
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 1:21 Comments || Top||

#11  I hope this guy says hello to the 3 H's (Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich), as well as Stalin & Beriya.

Somebody get Hamas a mop.
Posted by: OldSpook || 03/22/2004 1:27 Comments || Top||

#12  PeaceNik, you dumbass. It doesn't matter who started it. Yassin was one of the most evil sons of bitches to ever curse this Earth and the world is a better place now that he's been blown to shit.

And you know what, it doesn't matter who started because we're gonna finish it.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 1:34 Comments || Top||

#13  I still think everyone should leave. Alley Oop was there first.
Posted by: Abu Zug Zug || 03/22/2004 1:51 Comments || Top||

#14  Hopefully he and his buddy al-Zawahiri are praying for forgiveness together in Hell, but I guess that is too much to hope for. The world is a better place today nonetheless.
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 03/22/2004 1:59 Comments || Top||

#15  What a completely depraved little wanker you are, peacenik.
You obviously know nothing of the history of that part of the world, or of Hamas and its bloody atrocities.
You are going along to conform, or for some other infantile personal reason.
Terrorism doesn't work without appeasers and surrender activists to make it work. Idiots like you breed violence. Real people die because of this bullshit, idiot, fit in with your crowd some other way, or find a new crowd.
If the Paleos gave up violence, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Israelis gave up violence, they would all be massacred and dumbshits like you would excuse it.
Peacenik, my ass, you're an accessory to murder.
A million Streichers, a million ropes.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/22/2004 2:06 Comments || Top||

#16  CNN is reporting explosions on the paleo side of the Erez border crossing. Looks like the paleos morons are taking out their 'dire revenge' TM by blowing each other up.
Posted by: phil_b || 03/22/2004 2:25 Comments || Top||

#17  Israel is a ZioNazi colonialist imperialist land grab in the middle east. The UK and the UN had no right to "give" part of Palestine to Israel and to colude with the ethic cleansing of that land...
You will reap what you sew... Violence Breads Violence. Zionism is Ethnocracy. Neither the USA nor Israel are democratic nations. They are imperialist war criminals and pirates.
Posted by: PeaceNik || 03/22/2004 3:24 Comments || Top||

#18  Naziland (The USA) will destroy itself due to it's imperialism and oil theft.
Posted by: PeaceNik || 03/22/2004 3:27 Comments || Top||

#19  It seems that the Paleos are going absolutely apeshit over this one. At LGF, Charles advises Israeli readers to "lock and load."

Maybe, for once, the Paleos' atavistic rage will overcome their craven cowardice and they will charge in great screaming berserk masses toward Israeli border posts and settlements.

I think it is possible that their American tools will do likewise by Monday afternoon, finally throwing off the mask of naive pacifism and showing themselves for the brutes and authoritarian murder apologists they are.

They've been working themselves up to it for years and the recent "anti-war" demos were uglier than in the past.

This might be the big showdown.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/22/2004 3:44 Comments || Top||

#20  "Naziland (The USA) will destroy itself due to it's imperialism and oil theft."

Auditioning to replace Yassin as chief prophet of the murder cult? A word of advice: McDonald's doesn't pay as well but it is probably safer.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/22/2004 3:47 Comments || Top||

#21  I'm raiding the kitchencabinet in search of candy to pass out to the neighborhoodkids.

Oh and peacenik: you love the drugs, but the drugs don't love you.
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 03/22/2004 3:47 Comments || Top||

#22  Oh I don't have to do anything...
I am a PeaceNik.
All I have to do is wait for Naziland (the usa)to drown in it's own evil.
aMERICA IS A nAZI kULT AND just LIKE THE LAST ONE IT WILL OVERREACH ITSELF... EVENTUALLY...
So I hope Bush cheats the election again and "wins" because I want the USA to go too far and get too arrogant and bigheaded and to swallow its own lies... Thay way it wil fall... In fact I think the USA is already falling into the trap... Perhaps the USA still expects to be around in 10,000 years - which is how long people will fight it... Do you feel lucky Yanquee psychopath punk? For 10,000 years? The USA will be bankrupted and the land returned to the native Americans. The reparations will cost you more than you have. Not to mention the BSE in the burgers... Eat dat beef boys... Chew dem Prions... Your Yanquee Gov says it is clean... Sure it is... :)
Posted by: PeaceNik || 03/22/2004 4:18 Comments || Top||

#23  Friends don't let trolls drink, drug and post!

Ding, dong! Yassin's dead! Noone left but Arafat and Peacenik to spread hate and lies!
Posted by: Jen || 03/22/2004 4:38 Comments || Top||

#24  LOL! Keep going PissNik, at this rate you'll cover the entire gamut of idiotarian screech! I'd love to hear the rest of what you've stuffed in your craw - don't stop now. Some people are full of bile because they've seen too much and experienced many hardships. I figure you to be on the opposite extreme. You don't know dick - about anything - so all you have are these moronic half-digested brain farts you've picked up from your favorite DUmbass site. But don't let that slow you down, boy / girl / whatEVER, let's hear the rest of what you "know." We value bona-fide entertainment. Make it good! Lol! What a 'tard!
Posted by: .com || 03/22/2004 4:40 Comments || Top||

#25  Funniest. Troll. Ever.
Posted by: someone || 03/22/2004 4:43 Comments || Top||

#26  I work at a local newspaper in the outer 'burbs of Milwaukee (or the WAY outer 'burbs of Chi-town, depending on how you look at it).

Anyway, Sunday nights offer little to do but tone photos and send negatives down to the press crew, and tonight was no exception at first: photo after photo of insignificant local events, the local choir going to Carnegie Hall, yada yada.

You can imagine my surprise -- nay, glee -- at the arrival of a photo labeled "Yassin, 2 columns."

That's how I found out. Why else would a local rag like mine be running a two-column pic of Sarumon?

Three guesses where I checked first for confirmation.

Tonight -- just tonight -- let the trolls rant. Nothing they say can wipe the grin off my face.

'Night.
Posted by: Another Dan || 03/22/2004 4:45 Comments || Top||

#27  No... I think I'll just let you drown in your own evil... Oh and last one out of Yanqueeland turn off the geiger counter... Would not want to waste any oil at $2.00 a gallon... OIL BSE OIL BSE OIL BSE NUKE NUKE OH GAWD
BYE... :)
Posted by: PeaceNik || 03/22/2004 4:49 Comments || Top||

#28  Mr PeaceNik

The number of Blacks killed in South Sudan by their Arab enslavers is over five hundred times the number of Palestinians. You aren't doing any fuss about it. I can only deduce you are a sickening racist. In fact you are probably too racist to be admitted in the KKK.
Posted by: JFM || 03/22/2004 5:04 Comments || Top||

#29  Well its obvious Egypt and Jordan approved this they would have condemned it by now. Yassin had finally pissed those two countries off enough for them to give Israel the go ahead. As of now the only condemnations are from the free lance appeasement community.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 6:34 Comments || Top||

#30  Oooh I just noticed that Yassir chose not to condemn it in person but instead sent his mouthpiece out to make some incoherent cycle of violence noise. Obviously Yassir isn't crying about this either.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 6:36 Comments || Top||

#31  LOL PeaceNic!

Some columnist wrote recently that might Sharon do what Michael Corleone did prior to relocating to Las Vegas. Whack em all. For the same reason... to remind the balestinians that it's a shortening of lines not a retreat.

Posted by: Shipman || 03/22/2004 6:56 Comments || Top||

#32  Yassir doesn't dare make to much noise about this. There is an IDF finger on the trigger of a hellfire that has his name on it as we speak I'd wager. Sharon is hoping that dumb shit gives him an excuse.
I say kill Yassir, let the ensuing Paleo civil war weed out the rest of them.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 03/22/2004 7:23 Comments || Top||

#33  woo hoo!

I'm guessing that Rachel Corrie, is going to be one of his virgins.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 8:02 Comments || Top||

#34  I been uulating all morning since I heard the news.

Waiting for the Kerry response in 5..4..3..
Posted by: john || 03/22/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#35  Guess they'll need a bevy of Oiji boards to allow him to continue his spiritual leadership.
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 8:57 Comments || Top||

#36  Break out the dancing girls!
Posted by: Ptah || 03/22/2004 9:06 Comments || Top||

#37  "Are you all Ameropathic ZionNazis?"

-naw, I'm just Ameropathic, and a redneck, and a knuckle-dragger, and a warmonger, and a WarNik, and an unapologetic nationalist......go back to the poetry reading at the coffee house peacenik; you're only going to get your ass handed to you on this website (though I doubt you mind that proposition).
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 9:39 Comments || Top||

#38  Goodbye and good riddance. May he eternally rot in hell.
Peacenik, did it take much practice to become as stupid as you are, or where you just born that way.
Posted by: Lil Dhimmi || 03/22/2004 9:46 Comments || Top||

#39  Dhimmi, I think he's had practice, for example - "Violence Breads Violence" from one of his posts - I guess rising yeast has something to do w/violence. I think he really meant "breeds" but cannot be sure as he's prolly sleeping off last night's high-on in a pool of his own drool.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 9:50 Comments || Top||

#40  Jarhead, maybe Peacenik was going for some sort of baking metaphor. The choice of Hellfires plays into that metaphor, and also presaged what Yassin will be felling burning his ass for the rest of eternity.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#41  -naw, I'm just Ameropathic, and a redneck, and a knuckle-dragger, and a warmonger, and a WarNik, and an unapologetic nationalist......

u b sounding like an irishter sorry 2 say i didn't get a chance at the sunday Peoples i am giving yur regards to the other papists who have made it to this od heavin.
Posted by: Saruman || 03/22/2004 11:10 Comments || Top||

#42  I just looked at LGF's images and links of Yassin's remains. He DID become a grease spot on the L&N! So to speak.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 11:15 Comments || Top||

#43  From Reuters
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 03/22/2004 11:20 Comments || Top||

#44  I've been reading this site for a long time, and more often than not I agree with you guys - and I love the commentary! In the past, I never really had much to say, but I had an odd thought just now while reading these comments.

I go to a Christian college with a fair number of pacifists, and at least one professor who I know will be lamenting over this bastard's death. I don't subscribe to those views; I think we're in a war to the death with those who wish to kill us, and, in some ways, those who want to be "tolerant" of others, and part of that means letting them kill us, because we for sure can't stand up and say "That's wrong," because that would be disrespectful . . . Anyway, I'm as happy as anybody over this; my first reaction was "Hot damn, we got him!" And then, as I was reading all the exclamations, I was reminded, rather uncomfortably, of the Palestinians cheering after September 11th. They were just as happy as we were, if not happier. And what, I wondered, is the difference, if there is any?

I think it's because while if we're to win this we have to keep to a higher moral ground lest we descend to the level of our enemies - dammit, I hate saying the leftists have a point, but while their approach is totally wrong they are right in their claim that we do need to observe human rights - we have to do some nasty things. There's no way we can win without killing, because if we don't they will. And when we kill a murderous scumbag, elderly and handicapped or not, it is cause for celebration, especially if he's escaped before ("Wheels, don't fail me now!" Guess they finally did).

But whereas the Palestinians were celebrating the horrible murder of 3,000 people on that terrible day, the casualties of another "battle" in the clash between their world and ours, we are happy that a blight has been removed. People like Yassin are like tumors, and when you defeat a cancer, it's cause for partying. He doesn't deserve any sympathy because he didn't give any, and in fact urged the opposite - and in doing so, forfeited his own right to mercy. The big difference, then, I suppose, is that ultimately, I would hope, we care about human life and freedom, and do what we can to protect it even when that means destroying those who would trample it in the name of "Allah" or "World Socialism" or whatever kind of crap they believe in . . . whereas they don't care about anything but themselves and killing the enemy.

So, I'm sorry, Palestinians, but this guy didn't deserve any consideration whatsoever, and he's not going to heaven, he's going straight down to hell with the rest of the monsters who kill in the name of a false god. We're in a war, and I wish the world would finally recognize that and call evil for what it is instead of trying to "understand" it.

My apologies if this is a bit long; I was troubled by the thought and wanted to offer some perspective - and I hope I didn't come across as a wet blanket, because right now I'd buy any of those IDF pilots a drink. Let's raise a glass in their honor!
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#45  who spill the koolaid and why dont they clean it. it going to be very sticky there.
Posted by: muck4doo || 03/22/2004 11:46 Comments || Top||

#46  Yes, saruman, I'm a Proud Mick as well. Sorry I left that out, thanx for kissing the Pope's ring for me last Sunday.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#47  Doc,

The difference between them dancing in the streets at 9-11 and our own jubilation over the demise of Sheikh Yassin is pretty simple: 9-11 was a sneak attack, using civilian aircraft filled with civilians. Three out of four of the intended targets were civlian targets. Had the al-Qaeda air force flown over in military aircraft and carried out a raid on, say, Fort Bragg or even on the Pentagon, the Paleos would have been cheering a legitimate attack. We could have sulked, and we'd have known which side they were on, but we'd have had no bitch, even though we'd still have entered a state of war. It would have been a legitimate military action. Instead, it was a dirty action, a sucker punch on a nation at peace. We know which side they're on, all right, and that side's the dirty side.

Sheikh Yassin was one of the muckety-mucks of the dirty side. We're in a war to the death with terrorism, hopefully in all its forms, to include Pat and Mike down at the pub plotting to blow up Harrad's and Heriberto standing guard on the coca fields. I've been saying for the past couple years that the Israelis should be going after the upper reaches of the Paleo terror machine. And we all have good cause for ululation that they are.

I hope Rantissi's next.
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#48  Tim Blair had the best headline: "Yassassinated!"
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 12:03 Comments || Top||

#49  I see what you mean, Fred, thanks. And I'm in complete agreement on this one: I hope we get them all, and that Yassin's only the first.
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#50  Fred makes great points, and I agree wholeheartedly. However, Doc, you make a good point about the cheering. We should be happy that a murderous thug is dead - and a little ding, dong is inevitable. But your point is well taken.

I celebrate the lives that will be saved by this man's death. But I won't celebrate his death.

Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#51  Good one Muck! Yassssssssss...it's very sticky there isn't it? This makes a great counterpoint to Madrid.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 03/22/2004 12:44 Comments || Top||

#52  But I won't celebrate his death.

To hell with that! This slime was not only responsible for Isrealis being killed, but for Palestinians as well! He's being slow-roasted in hell right about now.
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 12:47 Comments || Top||

#53  Wow! Two relevant, coherent and funny comments from Muck in one day. Must've gotten mugged over the weekend.
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 13:06 Comments || Top||

#54  B, ok... but, I'll go on celebrating this scum bags death.

To me there is 2 aspects.

1) I hate them because they cheered a succesful attack on my country. Just as they will hate us for cheering a succesful attack on them. This is to be expected in war and hits hard to make a moral judgement about it.

2) The difference is that I am disgusted by them and consider them revolting slime because they cheered an attack deliberatly targetting CIVILIANS. I would also be disgusted at any american who would ever cheer at a successful deliberate attack on civilians, regardless of which side they were on.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 03/22/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#55  I'm thinking of writing a book: "Gun Sex without Guilt."
Posted by: Fred || 03/22/2004 13:17 Comments || Top||

#56  When the Paleos manage to kill some soldiers it is usually because they were riding in a civilian bus. In other words, for the Paleos, the military is the collateral target, the civilians are the primary target.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 13:21 Comments || Top||

#57  Awwwww. Anyone know where the funeral is. I'd love to send a bouquet.... of JDAMs
Posted by: Mercutio || 03/22/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#58  Mercutio, why not send Daisy . . . Cutters?
Posted by: Tibor || 03/22/2004 13:53 Comments || Top||

#59  A most Excellent day in the war against the Islamo nutters! As i saw his mangled remains of his chair plucked from the blood stained street i spontainiously roared with laughter, love the street carnival that followed with the coffin being raced over the crowd with the sounds of gun-sex in the background and the rows of dumb balaclavered soldiers of Allan. Just hope Israel are ready for the savages dire revenge.
Posted by: Shep UK || 03/22/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#60  Now I understand the thing about the 72 virgins... these "martyrs" just don't arrive in one piece...
Posted by: True German Ally || 03/22/2004 14:45 Comments || Top||

#61  Maybe it's actually 72 surgeons to stitch them back together again.
Posted by: 11A5S || 03/22/2004 14:53 Comments || Top||

#62  11A5S: LOL!

Let's hope he saw or heard the missle coming. At least that way he would have experienced a second or two of the same terror he's unleashed on so many innocent Israelis.

Ding, dong, the warlock's dead! Ulululululululululu :-p
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#63  Piza-time for the IDF

From Haaretz Flash:
"22:04 Minister Henegbi: Now Yassin and other Hamas leaders understand that we will help them become martyrs"

Hooeaah!
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 03/22/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#64  Maybe it's actually 72 surgeons to stitch them back together again.

LOL!! Boy, are they going to be disappointed.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 15:46 Comments || Top||

#65  DPA and Tibor - well...I, for one, won't lose any sleep if you do :-) On my list of things to feel bad about, cheering for Yassin's death ranks down somewhere around, number 9,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,021 (to the 10th).
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||

#66  Barbara, my comment from last night was supposed to be a joke :P The guy was blind (or nearly so) so he couldn't have seen the missile coming ;) But maybe he heard it.
Posted by: Rafael || 03/22/2004 15:54 Comments || Top||

#67  I wonder what the Sheikh's stump speech on martyrdom is now...
Posted by: Mahmoud, the Weasel || 03/22/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#68  Mr Sharon your day's are numbered, you peice of NAZI sh*t.
Posted by: Joe || 03/22/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#69  "Mr Sharon your day's are numbered, you peice of NAZI sh*t."

-wow, are you gonna handle Ariel there joe? Mean old bastard like Sharon prolly whip your ass for ya. I guess your just in mourning over the Yass-man taking a hellfire through the grape. Left a helluva grease stain if ya ask me.

A jew from the only democracy in the mid-east is a nazi huh? Interesting take on the situation joe, I'd advise switching to sanka and maybe laying off the nitrous.
Posted by: Jarhead || 03/22/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#70  Apparently the shin bet didn't like the idea of yassination. They may have thought that the fact that Yassin required all that care and was a symbol of evil made him worth more alive than dead.
Posted by: mhw || 03/22/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#71  Part of me is disappointed to see anyone die without Christ, but part of me is glad to see justice done.
Posted by: Korora || 03/22/2004 19:43 Comments || Top||

#72  Part of me is disappointed to see anyone die without Christ
Korora, I conservatively estimate the chances of someone like Yassin receiving Christ at 4,985,210,450,769 - 1. Miraculous conversions, I grant you, have been known, but this sick, twisted bastard was hardly a candidate.

Also, my girlfriend told me she had seen the coffin in the televised funeral coverage, and that it was . . . pretty damn big. I didn't think there was enough left to pick up with a spoon; did they gather up all the pieces, or did they just throw a wheelchair in the coffin in remembrance?
Posted by: The Doctor || 03/22/2004 20:04 Comments || Top||

#73  If they find another leader, he will damn sure be quiet about it, and will certainly be an under-the-matarass dweller.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/22/2004 21:38 Comments || Top||

#74  Rafael - Hope so!
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 23:49 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Guess that means the cease-fire is off, right?
Al Qaeda fighters attacked army camp today just hours after the military called a ceasefire for tribal elders to try and negotiate the militants' surrender. Residents said rockets were fired at the army camp in the western town of Wana today. Militants and troops then exchanged fire for about two hours. There was no immediate word on casualties, though gunfire could also be heard from the area to the west of the town where troops and militants have been battling.
This is kinda like Groundhog Day, isn't it? Every time there's a ceasefire, they use it as an opportunity to mount a surprise attack. They're been doing it since Og and Oop were fighting over who got the cave.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:04:33 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Obviously a diversionary attack intended to facilitate the escape of Usama bin Laden. With luck, US forces are tracking the bastard as it wonders into an ambush.
Posted by: Anonymous || 03/22/2004 3:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Versingetorix?
Posted by: Super Hose || 03/22/2004 8:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Charlie Brown and Lucy.
Posted by: B || 03/22/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||


Pakistan halts al-Qaeda campaign for tribals to negotiate
Pakistan's army halted an offensive against a force of suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban supporters to allow tribal leaders to negotiate a surrender, the military said. Tribal leaders will go to the area of fortresses in South Waziristan region bordering Afghanistan today to meet tribesmen fighting alongside as many as 500 terrorists, Mahmood Shah, secretary of Pakistan's tribal areas, said yesterday in an interview with GEO television. Pakistan wants the tribesmen to stop fighting, hand over the non-Pakistani gunmen and tell the military where other bands of al-Qaeda and Taliban are hiding in the remote border region in the northwest of the country, Shah said. The Pakistani army will maintain its siege while the tribal leaders negotiate, Shah said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:01:51 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


12 al-Qaeda jugged in Afghanistan
More fall-out from the Waziristan raid?
About a dozen suspected Al Qaeda or Taliban militants have been captured in Afghanistan after crossing the border from Pakistan, a foreign ministry spokesman said on Sunday. Some 'one dozen' people had been captured by border authorities over the past week and were being investigated, Omar Samad said. "Over the past week or so there have been some individuals who have been arrested along the border who seem to be infiltrators," Mr Samad told AFP. "It could be that some of them are hardcore militants." The nationalities of those arrested were not yet known, he said, adding these types of arrests were not unusual along the frontier.

Mr Samad was unable to confirm information from an Afghan intelligence source that 50 Al Qaeda militants had crossed over from Pakistan's tribal areas. Despite the ongoing US-led Operation Mountain Storm in Afghanistan's south and south eastern provinces and the Pakistani offensive on other side of the border, the region had been 'relatively calm on our side,' he said. However, there had been a number of small skirmishes in the area and hundreds of additional Afghan soldiers had been sent to reinforce the porous border, Mr Samad said. "We are being very attentive so that no one escapes across the border," he said. "As far as new deployments are concerned, since Operation Mountain Storm started and also since the operation across the border we have deployed ... 300 or so fresh troops."
Happy hunting.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 03/22/2004 12:00:17 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. Arrests Man Linked to Iraq Bombing
U.S. soldiers arrested three related men in this central Iraqi town early Monday, including one suspected militant linked to a roadside bomb attack in Tikrit earlier this month that killed two American soldiers. Soldiers from the 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, out of Germany, arrested the three men - all members of the same family - during a pre-dawn raid on their downtown Tikrit house. About 40 soldiers stormed into the modest home, quickly detaining and blindfolding the men and moving the women and children in the house into a separate room before searching the premises. Soldiers were seeking two men suspected of direct involvement in the March 13 roadside bomb blast that killed Cpt. John F. Kurth, 31, of Columbus, Wis., and Spc. Jason C. Ford, 21, of Bowie, Md., said Lt. Col. Jeff Sinclair. The U.S. military was led to the house by information given to them by Mahmoud the Weasel a man arrested several days ago in connection with the incident. Only one of the two targeted individuals was captured, but two other men were held for further questioning. All three were taken to a detention facility inside the main U.S. military in base in Tikrit.
"Yousef, you picked the wro-o-o-o-ng day to be hangin' 'round Mahmoud, here."
Sinclair said the military believes the targeted men are involved in "anti-coalition activities" and have "some connection" with the March 13 bombing. The soldiers were killed on the first day that Sinclair's unit took over security in Saddam Hussein's restive hometown, which is located within the so called Sunni triangle, a hotbed of anti-coalition activity.
Pump 'em dry, boys!
Posted by: Steve White || 03/22/2004 4:24:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Once we drain the mook of all info, we need to try him by drumhead court martial, convict him and hang him. There is no way these murderers of our soldiers and civilians should be allowed to avoid death.
Posted by: VRWconspiracy || 03/22/2004 11:08 Comments || Top||

#2  I know we're looking for information, but I'm beginning to think it would be better to kill these MF's than arrest them. This is a war, not a police action.

To paraphrase Patton, make the other sons of bitches die for their religion.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/22/2004 15:51 Comments || Top||



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