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Afghanistan
Taliban Remnants Capture Highway, Beat People
A group of Taliban guerrillas briefly captured a highway in southeastern Afghanistan and punished some passengers for shaving their beards and listening to music, witnesses said on Saturday. The incident was the latest sign of growing activities of the remnants of the Taliban regime since it was thrown out of power in a U.S.-led offensive in late 2001. Witnesses said some 30 Taliban members also hoisted the radical militia's white flag on the road linking Khost and Paktia provinces at Kargha area and set up checkpoints for about three hours on Friday afternoon. "They beat or slapped those who had trimmed or shaved their beards," said 18-year-old witness Mir Zaman. "They told us that we should avoid shaving our beards and listening to music, otherwise the punishment would be harsher if they caught us next time," he told Reuters.
Shutting down a road for three hours at a time is a do-able guerrilla tactic — it holds it for long enough for the people in the area to know it's been done, not long enough for the government to send troops to kill you. The tactics they used won't gain them any support, though. Slapping people around is not a good way to make them like you. In Afghanistan, it should be bringing back some fairly recent memories.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 01:49 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [364 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's the famous 'resurgent' Taliban again,isn't it?They'll be back any day now,surely?I mean if the Reuters say so...

Reuters Breaking News:Pope Says Sodomy is OK;Guns 'n Roses Back Together;Red Sox Win World Series,details to follow...
Posted by: El Id || 10/19/2003 2:17 Comments || Top||

#2  In his book Somalia on Five Dollar a Day, Martin Stanton describes our futile effort to find guerrillas camping in the wilderness. The highwaymen are in the villages and travel out to set up road blocks.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:28 Comments || Top||

#3  This is depressing. I wish we would take a hint from Isreal and invade the towns to kill militants. Even go across the Paki border if we have too.
Posted by: Charles || 10/19/2003 14:54 Comments || Top||

#4  They're probably already coming from Pakistan with a wink and a nod from the Paki authorities
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 10/19/2003 22:21 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudis purge 'offensive' school books
Until this month, young Saudis were taught at school to shun and despise Christians and Jews as infidels and enemies of Islam. But that is changing. Starting from this academic year, Saudi Arabia has removed "intolerant and offensive" chapters from its text books, Saudi reformists, teachers and diplomats said.
LGF has had a lot of fun with the Soddy curriculum. We've had a few snickers at it ourselves. It was only five months ago that an editorial in Okaz said
"Blaming the extremist phenomenon of people who blow themselves up to harm others on our curriculum is not objective or fair, because this phenomenon is new, and it is inconceivable that it is the product of the curriculum that has served our society for half a century...!! Ideological extremism is merchandise that was never manufactured or sown in this land; it is merchandise imported to this land, duty-free, and the one who exported it got nothing for it, except the pure souls harvested by indiscriminate acts of terror..."
Guess they changed their minds, huh?
A whole theology text used by 13 and 14-year olds, which used to command Muslims not to befriend Christians and Jews because "emulation of the infidels leads to loving them", has been taken out. "It is the duty of a Muslim to be loyal to believers (Muslims) and be the enemy of infidels. One of the duties of affirming the oneness of God is to have nothing to do with his idolatrous and polytheist enemies," the text added.
The definition of which, of course, includes us. It may even start with us...
Before the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington two years ago, little attention was paid to the outpouring of religious fanaticism from Saudi Arabia's schools and mosques. But when it emerged that 15 of the 19 hijackers were young Saudis, a piercing spotlight was turned on the kingdom, questioning the extent to which an educational system under the control of the powerful religious establishment was instilling bigotry and hatred of the West in its young people. The Saudi ruling family was alarmed too, especially after the May triple suicide bombings of Western compounds in the capital Riyadh, and has instructed the government to overhaul the school curriculum.
It was when the chickens came home to roost that they started taking it seriously. We'll see how long their attention span is...
And so it did. What was found in Saudi textbooks, reformists say, explained in a way the sub-culture of religious alienation and contempt for the West that incubated, among others, Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born al-Qaida leader held responsible for the US attacks. Examination of standard school texts shows that across a range of subjects from theology to history, impressionable young Saudis have drilled into them the duty to loathe Christians and Jews as enemies of Islam. Following the teachings of Ibn Taymiyya, the 14th century theologian whose influence still permeates the puritanical Wahhabi strain of Islam that underpins the rule of the House of Saud, one textbook said: "One of the most important requirements in loathing the infidels and being their enemy is to stay away from and disdain their rituals, the biggest of which is their feasts". For further measure, the text added: "It is forbidden for Muslims to share the infidels' mourning or joy because this might prove loyalty and love. It is not allowed to congratulate them on their joyful events or offer condolences in mourning. Muslims should not imitate the infidels in music and art or frequenting theatres and cinemas. All these are frequented by the wayward and those who have strayed from earnest life. Imitating the infidels is blasphemous to Islam." The text went as far as saying that "infidels" should not be given influential posts over Muslims or be appointed ministers or advisers. They must not be given access to secrets, "because the infidel is deceitful and conceals wicked intentions."
We know all about that. Our blood is like the blood of dogs, after all...
Even in standard Arabic classes, stereotypes and religious bigotry are blatant, reformists say. "Children are asked to fill in sentences with missing words, for example a sentence begins 'God hates ...', and the correct answer will be 'God hates infidels'. This is offensive," said one Saudi resident. There is, most scholars agree, no sanction for this in orthodox Islam, which reveres Judaism and Christianity and celebrates a common prophetic inheritance stretching back to Abraham. But diplomats have noted the similarity between the sentiments expressed in textbooks and the statements of bin Ladin and his followers. "There is a need for the Saudis to look inside the political and educational spectrum and find out what is it that fostered the sub-culture of people willing to use violence," one said. "Why is it that 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudis? Is it the education system? Is it the religious indoctrination? Is it the failure of the government to reform society? What are the reasons?" the Saudi-based Western diplomat asked.
Even if they go through with the reforms, even if Soddy Arabia's entire curriculum is revamped — and I don't doubt that there's going to be a lot of resistance to it — they've already exported their views to other places, where they'll continue to grow and fester.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 09:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [316 views] Top|| File under:

#1  like roaches though, they thrive in the dark - we have to keep the spotlight on them.
Posted by: Frank G || 10/19/2003 10:02 Comments || Top||

#2  Chritstian children are raised on the idea that individual faith, love, hope, chairty and forgiveness will make the world a better place. Muslim children are raised on the principle that, if you could only exterminate the Jews, the world would be a better place.
Posted by: B || 10/19/2003 10:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Prince Nayef, as Interior Minister, has been the Royal overseer of the education system. I doubt that Nayef is unaware of what has been done to the education system by the Wahabbists - to whom the Royals ceeded control over education more than 30 years ago.

I hate to quote something I can't ascribe to the author(s), but I do have something I saw on Command Post, IIRC, posted by "Clive." Clive, if you see this, please pipe up and identify the source(s), if possible. Anyway, here's a nifty little primer on Saudi history, excerpted from Clive's comment, that may be of interest:

"The political arrangement of Saudi Arabia is based on a compact made between Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab (died 1791) and his contemporary, Muhammad Ibn Saud, in the mid-18th century.

Both were emerging into history from Najd in the interior of the Arabian peninsula.

Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was the founder of the extremist puritanical sect known as Wahhabi. Wahhabism is the religious-political doctrine of Saudi Arabia.

Ibn Saud was the ancestor of the Saud clan. His descendant, Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, supported by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab's followers and Britain as patron, founded the kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932.

Hamid Algar, a scholar of the Middle East and Islam at the University of California, Berkeley, observes, 'Wahhabism is essentially a movement without pedigree; it came out of nowhere in the sense not only of emerging from the wastelands of Najd, but also its lack of substantial precedent in Islamic history.'

The Saudi ruler's absolute authority is limited by the compact made between Ibn Abd al-Wahhab and Ibn Saud. The House of Saud may only rule while it follows the Wahhabi precepts reflecting the value system of a closed patriarchal tribal society.

Within the larger Arab-Muslim world, Wahhabism has been viewed as a gross aberration of traditional Islam. To change this view, the House of Saud, establishing itself as the protector of the sacred mosque in Mecca, set out to buy approval of Muslims as it bought the loyalty of tribes in the kingdom.

Oil money provided the resource for this purpose of sectarian diplomacy, and Saudi money sent to poorer Muslim countries to build mosques and train preachers became a conduit for Wahhabism into places like Afghanistan, leading to the making of the Taliban.

But the demands of the modern world compounded the internal conflicts of Saudi society. Corruption within the royal family, waste and unaccountable expenditures, relative decline in oil revenue with a rapidly bulging population in excess of 22 million, unprepared and unwilling to work, have taken their cumulative toll.

In 1979, a band of disgruntled Wahhabis stormed the holy mosque in Mecca attempting to overthrow the House of Saud. They failed, but disclosed in their action the extent and nature of the opposition within the kingdom.

The House of Saud made a Faustian bargain with its opposition. It financed them to take their animus into the wider Muslim world in preaching their bigoted version of Islam.

Then came a congruence of Wahhabi fanaticism with the American-supported war in Afghanistan against the former Soviet Union. The success of the Afghani war fed into the imagination of Muslim fundamentalists to wage jihad, an armed struggle, against the presence of the West in the Arab-Muslim world.

These Muslim fundamentalists and fascists described the enemy, in the spiteful language of bin Laden, as the Crusader-Zionists. Their first terrorist strike into the heartland of America was the bombing of New York's World Trade Center in 1993."


And this is the only thing I find disagreement with:
"On the second anniversary of 9/11, Bush finds there is no alternative to maintaining relations with the House of Saud. It is the least of worst options while waging the war against international terrorism that spilled forth from the interiors of the peninsular Arabia's wasteland."

I think things between the US and SA will change, perhaps dramatically, after the fall of Iran and SyrLeb. Then we will take a new compass reading and start afresh.
Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 10:14 Comments || Top||

#4  Too little, too late.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 10:48 Comments || Top||

#5  The Saudi curriculim makes illiteracy look like a progressive step in the right direction.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Just about the support of Britain for Saud's takeover of Arabia: in facts there was a fight between two branches of the Intelligence Service.
The people of Cairo (ie the people who had sent Lawrence during WWI) sided with the Hashemites, the
people of India headed by the father of Kim Philby (the traitor) sided withe the Saoud. Unfortunately the people of Cairo (who probabbly knew a lot more about the Arabs) lost. Another irony is that just a few years later the Seoud betrayed the British and became Roosevelt's protegess while giving their oil concessions to American companies
Posted by: JFM || 10/19/2003 13:40 Comments || Top||

#7  These books are going to be generously donated to all the Wahabi Madrassas around the world. Don't expect the Saudis to change their ways, it's just going to be directed some where else.
Posted by: rg117 || 10/19/2003 13:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Unfortunately the people of Cairo (who probabbly knew a lot more about the Arabs) lost.
Despite being on site as it were I don't think Clayton, Wingate et al were that knowledgable about the ME. Gilbert Clayton makes Mahathir look sane & reasonable, IIRC he believed that the Ottoman Empire was controlled by the Jews (probably in alliance with the Freemasons...) & don't forget the Arab Hashemite revolt sponsored by Cairo achieved little except for the capture of Aqaba (they didn't even manage to take Madina.)
With respect to Simla backing the Sa'udis, it made sense at the time, they were the rising power in the region, they were enemies of pro-Turkish rulers of Ha'il & after WWI the Hashemites proved utterly unable to stop Sa'udi incursions into their territory - so we made the rather sensible decision to back winners rather than losers. Plus Ibn Sa'ud was a pragmatist, he bowed to our demands about borders etc & crushed his fundamentalist tribal army when they began calling for a Jihad against us.
Posted by: Dave || 10/19/2003 16:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Clayton and Wingate were two of the five British nationals that worked hardest to kill the British Palestine mandate (the Balfour Declaration), and worked to undermine it when it was accepted. The Israeli/Palestine mess grew out of their meddling.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/19/2003 17:31 Comments || Top||

#10  IIRC Herbert Samuel (the UK's High Commisioner in Palestine - & ironically enough Jewish himself) appointed Amin al-Husayni as Grand Mufti (Amin was the guy who wound up recruiting Bosniaks into the Wehrmacht), which hardly helped the situation. The fact that most British officials in Palestine were Arabists encouraged at least some of the Palestinian pogroms during the inter-war period, since they believed (not entirely inaccurately) that the government was on their side.
Posted by: Dave || 10/19/2003 18:14 Comments || Top||

#11  AP, I believe that the quote posted by Clive in the Free Republic was from a column written by Professor Salim Mansur in the London Free Press (London Ontario) titled "The Saudi Connection".
Sorry I couldn't find a direct link to that article.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 10/20/2003 0:26 Comments || Top||

#12  AP, I believe that the quote posted by Clive in the Free Republic was from a column written by Professor Salim Mansur in the London Free Press (London Ontario) titled "The Saudi Connection".
Sorry I couldn't find a direct link to that article.
Posted by: Gasse Katze || 10/20/2003 0:26 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Aust peacekeepers arrest rebel militant in Solomons
Foreign Minister Alexander Downer has welcomed the arrest of a notorious militant figure in the Solomon Islands by Australian peacekeepers. Jimmy "Rasta" Lusibea was arrested at Honiara airport this afternoon after an investigation into the deaths of two local policemen last year. Mr Downer says Jimmy Lusibea has been responsible for much of the troubles in the Solomons in last few years and his arrest should give Solomon Islanders more confidence in their safety.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 02:15 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [266 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Malaysian PM says France’s Chirac ’understands’
Mahathir Mohammad has thanked French President Jacques Chirac for blocking a European Union declaration condemning his comments on Jews. Chirac, backed by Greek Prime Minister Costas Simitis, stopped the EU from ending a summit Friday with a harshly worded statement deploring Mahathir’s speech. EU leaders then compromised by having Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, the summit host, criticize Mahathir at his closing news conference.

A French diplomat, who asked not to be named, said while Chirac disagreed with Mahathir’s strident views, he argued that an EU summit declaration "would not have been appropriate." The French presidency denies supporting the Malaysian prime minister. But Malaysian newspapers said Mahathir had expressed his gratitude to Chirac for his "understanding" of the speech he made at the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference, the world’s largest Muslim grouping, in Malaysia last Thursday. Mahathir said he had feared Muslims would be more angered by the speech, which was also critical of Muslims. "I never thought the Europeans would be against me," the New Sunday Times quoted him as saying. "I can’t understand them. I’m glad that Chirac at least understands. I would like to thank him publicly." Mahathir said that "anybody who reads the whole speech through will understand what I said," the Sunday Star reported. Mahathir’s comments caused a storm of controversy, with the United States, Canada, Germany, Britain, Australia and Israel branding the remarks outrageous.
Posted by: tipper. || 10/19/2003 10:55:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [317 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And I thank him also, merci beaucoup or as a friend of mine in Texas would say "mercy bucket". Why criticize a guy who is also against the USA policy of unitateral defence by using unilateral offense? Why criticize a guy who is anti-semetic when you are the President of the most anti-semetic country in Europe? And when your best allie is Germany who you represent from time to tim what would give you the right to defend Jews? So, mercy bucket, old pard, for once again proving to all of us what a complete arrogant, ignoramus, chicken shit, yella belly you really are.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/19/2003 11:15 Comments || Top||

#2  "I never thought the Europeans would be against me," the New Sunday Times quoted him as saying. "I can’t understand them. I’m glad that Chirac at least understands. I would like to thank him publicly."

I hope that certain EU countries take note of this statement, and realise that at best this suggests they're sending out mixed messages as regards anti-semitism, to the likes of Mahathir.
Posted by: Bulldog || 10/19/2003 11:51 Comments || Top||

#3  BD - Excellent point - and I hope you're right.
Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 12:21 Comments || Top||

#4  When the kooks applaud and thank you.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Well, we KNOW who our enemies are. As long as Chiraq is in power in France, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of relations improving. France is our enemy, not a shootin' enemy, but still an enemy. And Madeline Half-bright is an apologist for this sicko. If the EU wants to carry Chiraq as an albatross hanging on their necks, its their game.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/19/2003 13:00 Comments || Top||

#6  www.fuckfrance.com
Posted by: Greg || 10/19/2003 13:33 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm just waiting for France to declare all of Europe as it territory and haave the economy collapse there. Then we can ban Europeans from Immigrating here because of economic troubles.

" What? The Euro collapsed and is now worthless? Well boo-freagin-hoo. "
Posted by: Charles || 10/19/2003 19:12 Comments || Top||

#8  I’m glad that Chirac at least understands. I would like to thank him publicly." Mahathir

I'm guessing that even though ya'd think that Chirac would be horrified by this, he's probably pleased as punch with it. It probably opens doors and lays red carpets for his type of business associates and patrons.
Posted by: B || 10/19/2003 20:54 Comments || Top||

#9  Chirac, backed by Greek Prime Minister Costas Simitis, stopped the EU from ending a summit Friday with a harshly worded statement deploring Mahathir’s speech.

So Aris, where's the outrage, or do you think your Prime Minister did the right thing?
Posted by: R. McLeod || 10/19/2003 23:08 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Ford Foundation funds hate, author charges
EFL from National Post via World Wire

An award-winning author and journalist has published a four-part investigative series alleging the Ford Foundation gives millions of dollars to Palestinian organizations that engage in anti-Israel agitation, anti-Semitic activity and anti-Americanism, though not terrorism. I didn’t know that there were Palestinian organizations that didn’t engage in terrorism.

Edwin Black, author of War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America’s Campaign to Create a Master Race, spent two months probing the foundation’s grant operation system. He reviewed more than 9,000 pages of documents and interviewed people in seven countries for the series, titled Funding Hate. Gee, Mr Black doesn’t sound like a member of the right-wing conspiracy.

It raises questions about how the foundation, an institution with about US$10-billion in assets that disburses US$500-million worldwide each year, allocates funds to groups in Palestinian areas and whether it exercises enough control over how its money is spent. I thought most of that money whent to that kook on PBS.

"There is a completely uncharted and unscrutinized segment of American society and our economy which is conducting its own foreign policy," Mr. Black said yesterday. Is Mr Black describing the State Department?

"I’ve been able to document that corporate philanthropy is engaged in funding hate speech, and anti-Zionist agitation, and anti-Israel agitation and anti-Americanism. We need to scrutinize this sector of our society. It comes down to one word: transparency." Trannsparancy only exposes if people turn off the the fantasy of Reality TV and pay attention.

He notes the foundation gave more than US$35-million to more than 270 Arab and Palestinian organizations in 2000 and 2001, the most recent years for which figures are available.

The foundation has granted millions of dollars to American Jewish and Israeli peace groups and funds several Israeli-based dissident and human rights groups campaigning for Palestinian justice, Mr. Black says. It also funds the Washington-based New Israel Fund (NIF) for activities supporting social change in Israel. (A week ago, just before Mr. Black’s series was released, the foundation and NIF announced a new five-year, US$20-million grant to support organizations in Israel working to strengthen the country’s democracy and advance human rights for its citizens.)

But most of the Ford Foundation’s money goes to pro-Palestinian and Islamic-rights groups, Mr. Black alleges.

The Ford Foundation refused to speak with Mr. Black over the course of his investigation, but later issued a six-page statement.

According to Mr. Black’s sources, the Palestinian Committee for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment (known commonly by the acronym LAW) has received three Ford grants worth US$1.1-million since 1997 to engage in "advocacy" and participate at international conferences.

LAW helped create an "anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic" focus at the high-profile UN-sponsored conference on racism held in Durban, South Africa, in September, 2001, Mr. Black says.

The United States and Israel walked out of the conference in protest; Canada expressed displeasure but stayed. Walking out was too strong a statement against anti-semitism.

Mr. Black’s series is posted in its entirety on the Jewish Telegraphic Agency’s Web site at www. jta.org/ford.asp.

Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 1:49:36 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [335 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting - if you google Ford Foundation and history, you get hits on a bunch of lefty articles alleging the FF has been colluding with the CIA - apparently they've switched teams, huh? I mean, really...NPR?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/19/2003 16:09 Comments || Top||

#2  When liberals rant about taxing the rich, do they mean the liberal foundations too? Of course they do, they're rich aren't they?
Posted by: Jabba the Nutt || 10/19/2003 16:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Ford Foundation--liberal? Ole Henry must be rolling over in his grave--but they do have an INCREDIBLE building on 42nd St
Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 10/19/2003 22:36 Comments || Top||

#4  The Ford Foundation has been funding leftist causes for at least 20 years. But only now people are starting to take a look at them, which is a very good thing. They're favorite trick is to fund groups that style themselves as leaders of some "community," who are never actually chosen or elected by the community, and then give them millions. See MALDEF, for example. These groups are pretty uniformly radical. It's really time to take a hard look at the Ford Foundation and see who is getting what money and for what purposes. You just KNOW some of this money is ending up in the hands of Paleo terrorists.
Posted by: R. McLeod || 10/19/2003 23:15 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Seminaries sticking to the same old syllabus
The government has been unable so far to get seminaries to incorporate subjects like English and Maths in their syllabi, as recommended in the recently introduced madrassa reforms. Daily Times has found that the administrations of the thousands of unauthorised seminaries operating in Pakistan have not responded to the government’s attempts to get them to expand the scope of their education. There are four prominent seminary systems in Rawalpindi and Islamabad, the Jamia Fridia, Jamia Muhammadia, Taleem-ul-Quran and Jamia Farooqia, which have more than seven thousands students. However, none of them have introduced new syllabi. The government held several meetings with the Ittehad Tanzimat Madaris-Dina (ITMD), which represents the five Wafaqul Madaris, after 9/11 in an attempt to get it to modernise the seminary syllabus and to get the ITMD to register its institutions under the Madrassa Education Board. The government demanded the seminaries teach Pakistan Studies, English, Maths and General Science to primary school students, and English, Economics, Pakistan Studies and Computer Sciences, along with religious subjects, to higher level students. But the ITMD rejected the proposals. Ghazi Abdur Rashid, who runs a seminary in an upper class area in Islamabad, said the basic duty of the religious schools is to turn out religious scholars, and the current seminary syllabus fits that purpose.
As I was saying, about the Soddies having exported their educational venom...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 11:52 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [278 views] Top|| File under:

#1  My impression is that as Afghanistan and Iraq firm up pressure will increase the Saudi and Paki fronts.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 13:00 Comments || Top||


Two key Qaeda men killed in Waziristan
Not just one, but two...
Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said on Saturday two “important” Al Qaeda members, including one with a bounty on his head, had been killed in a raid near the Afghan border this month. Earlier this week, the minister said a senior Al Qaeda official could have been among eight suspects killed in the October 2 operation by Pakistani troops. On Saturday he said further investigations had revealed a second casualty was also an important Al Qaeda figure. “Not only one, but two important men had been killed in that operation,” he told Reuters. “One of them had a price on his head. The other didn’t have a price but was a very important figure.”
"Cheeze! Is this his nose?"
He declined to name either man. However, the minister said Canadian national Ahmed Said Khadr, believed to be an Al Qaeda financier, was not among those killed in the operation near the border town of Angor Adda in South Waziristan Agency. “The search is on for him. Let’s see what happens.” Intelligence officials said the Egyptian-born Khadr, alias Abu Abdur Rehman, nicknamed Al-Canadi, was thought to have been hiding in the mud-built houses before the raid was conducted, but must have slipped away. But they said one of Khadr’s sons was killed in the raid.
He's teasing. I'm just not sure why...
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:47 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [296 views] Top|| File under:


JM leader arrested
Maulana Muhammad Ilyas Ghuman, a central leader of the outlawed Jaish-e-Muhammad, was arrested on Friday from a village mosque, police said on Saturday. Ilyas, 50, was arrested near Sargodha when he was offering Friday prayers in the mosque. He has been detained for three months under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO). Jaish-e-Mohammed was one of five groups outlawed by President General Pervez Musharraf in January 2002. Ilyas is now a member of the Khuddam-ul-Muslimeen.
Which is the same organization with a different name...
The Ahle-Sunnat-wal-Jamaat has threatened to launch protests across the province unless Ilyas was released within 24 hours. A spokesman for the organisation said Ilyas was also taken into custody two months ago, but was released later.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [285 views] Top|| File under:


JI, PML-N want Waziristan campaign to stop
The Jamaat-e-Islami and Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) asked the federal government on Saturday to end the army operation in the South Waziristan Agency. A meeting of the NWFP PML-N passed a unanimous resolution demanding an immediate end to the operation. Iqbal Zafar Jhagra, PML-N provincial secretary general, regretted the “use of the Pakistan Army against its own people for the protection of American interests”. He condemned the arrest of PML-N FATA Secretary Advocate Ghalib Khan Wazir and others and demanded their immediate release. “All of Pakistan’s institutions have been destroyed and our army is fighting for American interests,” he said. Mr Jhagra also criticised the government’s support for the US to oust the Taliban government. He regretted that around 57,000 sorties were carried out from Pakistan when the US attacked Afghanistan. “The federal finance minister is imported from the US while the foreign and interior ministers are advocating American interests,” he said.

Meanwhile, Jamaat-e-Islami Provincial Deputy Secretary General Zar Noor Afridi said the tribal people would be forced to carry out suicide bombings if the government did not stop the operation in Waziristan. Mr Afridi, who was also a member of Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal’s fact-finding mission that was not allowed into the agency a few days ago, ruled out the presence of Al Qaeda or Taliban elements in the province or the tribal areas. He said law enforcement agencies had conducted three operations in the tribal areas in the past with the help of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) but failed to arrest any Al Qaeda suspects. He lashed out at a statement by Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmad that 10 key Al Qaeda members had been killed in the operation. “If this is so, then why is the minister reluctant to disclose their names and nationalities?” Mr Afridi asked. Mr Afridi said neither the provincial government nor the paramilitaries deployed in the area were informed about the operation. He claimed a large number of Afghan refugees were killed and many others, including tribesmen, arrested in the operation. He also accused the federal government of killing and disgracing people only to “please its Western masters in order to receive aid or loan”.
Squealing like piggies, aren't they? At least we know which side they're on — not that we didn't before.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:34 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [288 views] Top|| File under:


Three convicted for plotting to kill Musharraf
An anti-terrorism court on Saturday convicted three men and sentenced them to 10 years of rigourous imprisonment for plotting to assassinate President General Pervez Musharraf last year. Judge Aale Maqbool Rizvi acquitted two other suspects citing lack of evidence. The decision was announced at the Karachi Central Jail where the trial of the men was held because of security reasons. The five men were charged with plotting to kill Musharraf when he was visiting Karachi on April 26, 2002. The police accused them of parking a vehicle packed with explosives along the president’s route, but the remote-controlled detonator failed.
"Mahmoud! Where'd you get that battery?"
"Outta your flashlight, effendi!"
The judge acquitted two accused, Mohammed Sharib and Mohammed Wasim Akhtar, a former Rangers official, for lack of evidence. He convicted Mohammed Hanif, Mohammed Imran Bhai and Mohammed Ashraf, all alleged members of Harakatul Mujahideen Al-Almi, an offshoot of Harakatul Mujahideen, a terroist group fighting Indian rule in Held Kashmir.
Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:18 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [616 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Better watch out for them fundies, Perv. You know, the ones that have their sights set on Kashmir? Well they're not beyond bumping you off either.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/20/2003 0:00 Comments || Top||


US blacklist will cripple Dawood Ibrahim
The US Treasury Department branded Dawood Ibrahim a "financial supporter" [of terrorism] on Thursday night, honouring an assurance made to the Indian government 10 days ago. US officials say Dawood made the list because evidence against him reached a certain "critical mass." India has supplied plenty of data about the don’s Lashkar-e-Taiba connection. This was reflected in the US announcement. But what clinched the matter was evidence that Dawood allowed Al-Qaeda to use his financial web. US law requires the terrorist label be affixed to only those out to attack US interests. However, the listing also comes at a time when Washington is casting a wary eye at Islamabad’s role in the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Says the ex-head of RAW’s Pakistan desk, B Raman, "The US is squeezing Pakistan very hard and going for Dawood is one way to apply pressure." Western diplomatic sources say as the US digs deeper into Pakistan, it is inclined to admit New Delhi’s charges about the murkiness of Pakistan’s military were not off the mark.
It doesn't take much examination to come to that conclusion...
“The US dependence on Pakistan is greater than last year. But so is US understanding of Pakistan’s perversity,” said a source.
I think we've had their number for awhile...
The consensus is that Dawood will stay in Pakistan and use his Lashkar links to go underground. The UAE ignores India, but not the US. Dubai will be off-limits for the don. Even Saudi Arabia, where he was once believed to be shifting assets, is unsafe given the recent collapse of the truce between Riyadh and Al-Qaeda. If caught, he would be charged for financial crimes. As for extradition, says a US official, “If we catch him, we’ll see where it goes from there.” But this reflects a fact: Dawood rarely set off bombs himself. He used his money and network to help others do the dirty work. Dawood’s syndicate controlled an arms-narcotics network that stretched from Europe to India. Indian sources say all his ships dropped anchor at Jebel Ali in the UAE. That safe harbour is gone. New Delhi’s expectation is that a key financial backbone of the jihadi army that targets India is now fractured and may soon be broken.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/19/2003 12:12:54 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [336 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's possible that it will cripple him. It is also possible that censure by the US will make him a celebrity in the Arab world.
Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 20:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Dawood is just a gangster used by the ISI to target Indians, I doubt any Arab would no or care about him, he isn't a very 'pious' man.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/19/2003 21:56 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Ammo truck explosion/ambush
World Photos - AP

A vehicle believed to be a U.S. ammunition truck explodes, in this image made from television, after it was attacked in Fallujah, Iraq, Sunday morning Oct. 19, 2003, 35 miles (60 kms) west of Baghdad. There were no reports of casualties.
Hope the photos and link work right.
Check-out the guy in the lower left,dumb-ass is hardly the word.
Dozens of Iraqi youths cheered and danced in celebration as contents of the flaming vehicles continued to explode. The crowds scattered when two F-16 jets passed overhead.
Iraqi youths hold their rifles as they celebrate in Falluja, northwest of Baghdad, after a U.S. Army ammunition truck was destroyed, October 19, 2003. Guerillas killed two American soldiers overnight and blew up a U.S. ammunition truck on Sunday, as Iraq’s U.S.-appointed Governing Council called for an end to ’conspiracies’ threatening stability.
Damn sure would have been cool for a 105mm shell to cook-off about this time.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 12:03:04 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [269 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Darn!didn't work.
What did I do wrong?
Go to Yahoo news and check the photos,you will see what I mean.
Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 12:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Link to
  • Article
  • Pix (start of slideshow)
  • Yahoo news
  • Posted by: Dar || 10/19/2003 12:35 Comments || Top||

    #3  We keep hearing about Fallujah. Why hasn't the 4th ID done an urban renewal cleanup of this cesspool?

    I think I'd impose a dusk-to-dawn curfew, patrol it in Abrams with Bradley and Apache back-up, and shoot first - period. When the citizens 'protest', go through them with a few Bradley chain guns working until the barrels melt. If it takes, more than twice, destroy the entire damned city. These people don't want peace and freedom. Let them have the alternative - death.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/19/2003 17:43 Comments || Top||

    #4  Old Patriot >>> Have you gone mad???!!! Killing all of those innocent people with chain guns "until the barrels melt"? What the hell is wrong with you??!!

    Why melt the barrels and waste ammo when we can carpet bomb with napalm. We're working on a budget here, remember?
    Posted by: Paul || 10/19/2003 18:03 Comments || Top||

    #5  Thanks.Dar.One of these days I will figure it out.
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 19:30 Comments || Top||


    US crackdown on Shias fuels anger
    Did we expect anything else?
    US troops sealed off roads around the house of an Iraqi Shia Muslim cleric, while another religious leader warned the crackdown would only backfire. Soldiers surrounded buildings used by local cleric Sayyid Mahmud al-Hassani on Saturday with armoured vehicles while helicopters circled overhead. Three US military police and two Iraqi police were killed on Thursday night in fighting in the city which US forces blamed on supporters of al-Hassani. He is a sympathiser of firebrand Shia leader Moqtada al-Sadr, who opposes the US-led occupation of Iraq. US officers would not comment on whether they were hoping to arrest al-Hassani. His supporters said he had left his home after Thursday's shootout in which local people said eight of his followers had been killed.
    "Dead, y'say? I'm gettin' out out here until the heat's off!"
    After arresting one of his followers, American soldiers surrounded al-Hassani's office building, witnesses said. The moves suggest American troops are taking a harder line against outspoken clerics backed by militiamen armed with AK-47 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades who are fiercely opposed to the occupation. Sheikh Kathim al-Nasiri, al-Sadr's representative in Karbala, said US troops made a serious mistake spilling Muslim blood and pressuring Shia clerics. "The result will be very bad for the Americans. If they increase the pressure, there will be a crisis between the people of Karbala and the Americans," he said. He warned occupation forces that if they do any harm to Shia shrines in the holy cities of Karbala or Najaf, "they will face not only Shias in Iraq but Shias all over the world".
    That's the eventual plan, isn't it?
    "He is a mixture of a criminal and a lunatic who believes he has a hotline to God ... He had set up checkpoints in Karbala to fleece money out of people. At one point, his guys went to the governorate building with machetes and two were shot," a occupation authority official said.
    Zayed has a good discussion of Moqtada, and wonders why we haven't disposed of him. The answer, of course, is the thousands of nutbags who would spill into the streets to chant, make faces, and throw things. "Things" in Iraq still includes explosives, so we walk on eggs when dealing with him because we've already got lots to do in the Sunni triangle. I think our tack for now should be to make fun of him — he lies about his age, speaks Arabic with an Iranian accent, and he's had to back down consistently when he's made his grandiose claims. Keep pushing the fact that he's an Iranian agent and eventually the real ayatollahs will dispose of him.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 08:59 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [264 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Checked out Zayed earlier,already added to favorites list.
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 11:46 Comments || Top||

    #2  As usual, Al Jizz gives away their agenda in the title, which bears no relationship to the facts. Even when they get the facts in the story right (or even stay within the same universe) there is a major disconnect with the story title. Serves their purposes by swaying the lamers (probably a majority of their visitors) who don't actually read the stories and only scan story headers for the flavor of what's happening. With Al Jizz, they know zip, zilch, nada - and are full of (what else?) jizz.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 12:34 Comments || Top||

    #3  I would think it would be worth the protests, but I don't know what we would do with him once he was captured.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 13:05 Comments || Top||

    #4  I would think it would be worth the protests, but I don't know what we would do with him once he was captured.
    Airmail him back to Iran, in the nosecone of a Tomahawk. Just ahead of the HE.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/19/2003 17:45 Comments || Top||


    New Baghdad Blogger
    This is my first post. A bit about myself; My name is Zeyad. I’m 24, male. I live in Baghdad, Iraq. Also lived in the UK prior to the first Gulf war. I work as a dentist.

    Thought ya might be interested in a new blogger from Baghdad... I find the info coming from people just speaking their mind to be far more telling than the garbage we get from the news media.
    Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 10/19/2003 2:47:08 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [265 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Hey - T H A N X !!!

    This guy is bright, articulate, and makes perfect sense of things - at least from a normal Iraqi's perspective. This is who I hope will soon be running the new Iraq: Intelligent People, not ideologues, loonies, or tribal sheikhs.

    I think he ranks with the best of the lot I've read so far, too, including Salman Pax and Riverbend.

    Again, Thx for the link!
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 5:01 Comments || Top||

    #2  Read that backpackers story about visiting Baghdad yesterday.It is a good read.
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 8:24 Comments || Top||

    #3  He's been on the blogroll for a few days now.
    Posted by: Fred || 10/19/2003 8:39 Comments || Top||

    #4  Damn--that is good. Thanks for the pointer! Reading today's entry about the IED exploding near his house and the Al-Arabiyah "eyewitness report" was fascinating. I'm adding this guy to my Favorites.
    Posted by: Dar || 10/19/2003 9:26 Comments || Top||

    #5  Much better than Riverbend praising Satr.
    Posted by: Cog || 10/19/2003 19:20 Comments || Top||


    The Next Phase of the War (Analysis)
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    THE STRATFOR WEEKLY, October 16, 2003:
    The Next Phase of the War
    by Dr. George Friedman

    Summary
    Washington is reformulating its war plans in Iraq -- something critics of the Bush administration might view as a sign of weakness. The real weakness lies not in that the United States is shifting strategies, but rather that it has taken so long to make adjustments. However, even with a new strategy, it is unclear whether the United States will succeed.

    Analysis
    The United States is in the process of reformulating its war plans in Iraq. Such reformulations are normal in war: Every successful war consists of layers of plans that are adjusted as opponents change their strategy and tactics and as lessons are learned. Indeed, one of the hallmarks of the defeated party is the inability to redefine its strategy based on experience. The presence of only one plan is a sign of defeat: The French war plan in World War II never changed and, therefore, never worked; the Japanese, once their initial plan ran into trouble, could never generate a rational strategy. On the other hand, the United States went through multiple plans, developing and discarding strategies on all levels. This is insufficient to guarantee victory (the Germans also went through multiple plans), but it is one of the necessary conditions.

    Critics of the Bush administration, who see the need to change plans as a sign of weakness, simply don’t understand war. In Iraq, where the administration should be criticized is not that it changed plans, but that it took so long to do so. For the United States, the most significant failure in this war has been the length of time it took to recognize that the reality on the ground in Iraq was not the reality Washington had expected -- and worse, the length of time it took U.S. leaders to think through their strategy. Changing plans is the sign of a healthy command structure; rigidly adhering to plans in the face of a changing reality is a sign of real problems.

    U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s problem was that he was unable to publicly confront the fact that the unexpected had happened in Iraq. He might have done so in private, but no shift in strategy emerged. From early May, when the guerrilla war was launched, until last week, Rumsfeld appeared to be strategically paralyzed. He neither had a plan for crushing the Iraqi guerrillas, nor did he seem able to conceptualize how the rest of the war would proceed. This should not, actually, be personalized: Even though Rumsfeld was both secretary of defense and the dominant personality in the strategic process, it was a failure of the civilian and military command structures in general.

    Rumsfeld has been adamant in arguing that there are no parallels between Iraq and Vietnam. He is correct in all but one sense: One of the fundamental failings in Vietnam was the inability of senior U.S. civilian and military commanders to recognize that, though individual operations were successful, they did not tie together into a strategy -- or more precisely, that the strategy was not working. This is why many Vietnam veterans are right in saying that they won the battles but lost the war. It is the job of the strategists to make certain that the battles and strategy mesh and, when they don’t, to make adjustments. In Vietnam, the strategy never meshed with the operations. A similar situation has emerged in Iraq, save that the operations didn’t add up either.

    These things happen. The measure of success is how quickly a problem is recognized and how quickly adjustments are made. If we read the creation of the Stabilization Group correctly, we are in the process of seeing those changes emerge. That means that about six months have elapsed between the start of the guerrilla war and the crafting of a response. That isn’t great, but it isn’t catastrophic either. The timeline is bearable, so long as the strategic shifts are effective.

    To consider this, we need to recall the two strategic reasons the United States had for invading Iraq -- as opposed to the public justifications:
    1. Seizing the most strategic country in the region as a base of operations from which to mount follow-on operations against countries that collaborate or permit collaboration with al Qaeda.
    2. Transforming the psychological perception of the United States in the Islamic world from a hated and impotent power to a hated but feared power.

    The most significant impact the guerrilla war has had on the United States concerns the second goal. The perception (as opposed to the reality) of the war is that the conventional forces of the occupying power were helpless in the face of the guerrillas. There was certainly truth to that, but only in this sense. The guerrilla movement has remained well below critical mass -- it in no way threatens either the occupation or the operational capabilities of the United States. Total casualties relative to the force are insignificant from a military point of view.

    Nevertheless, the fact that the movement could not be crushed -- but continued to operate for months -- made it appear that the United States had become militarily trapped. The U.S. response compounded this perception: Rather than pressing forward with regional operations, the United States first tried to crush the guerrillas with search-and-destroy missions, and then seemed to halt offensive operations and simply take casualties. The result appeared to be paralysis, and this appearance undermined the second goal: It negated the psychological value of the fall of Baghdad.

    The solution for the United States rests in the first goal. The United States has seized control of Iraq and is capable of mounting political, covert and overt operations against neighboring countries. The guerrilla war, though irritating, does not undermine the United States’ operational capability: First, the war is primarily confined to one region; second, the tempo of operations in that region does not constrain military operations.

    Therefore, the key is to use the military capabilities obtained through basing in Iraq and exploit the occupation, despite the guerrilla war. In a sense, the guerrilla war is irrelevant -- it will be there whatever the United States does, at least for a while. Whether the United States proceeds with exploitation operations or not, the war is a constant. There is no logical reason to halt operations.

    That appears to be just what is happening. The United States, for example, opened a psychological campaign against Syria the weekend of Oct. 11-12 by pointing out that the Israelis have submarine-, air- and land-based nuclear weapons. Two U.S. officials made the point in such a way that the Syrians couldn’t miss it. This came just days after Turkish lawmakers voted to send troops into Iraq. Though those troops are important, the real importance of the vote was its declaration of belligerency by Turkey, which has moved from a neutral stance established in March back into active collaboration with the United States.

    The United States used the Turkish shift to create a massive coalition against Syria along most of its borders. With the Israelis, Turks and Americans all arrayed along its frontiers, Damascus has no choice but to reconsider its strategy. The alternative is to assume that the United States will be unwilling to use its forces -- and those of Israel -- to compel regime change in Syria. The Syrians might believe that to be the case, but the risk of error is too great.

    It is useful to examine Syrian behavior more closely. The Iraq campaign ended with U.S. forces dueling Syrian forces along the Syria-Iraq border. Damascus, clearly surprised by the U.S. victory, seemed to shift their policies in April and May, suppressing some Palestinian and Islamist activity within the country’s borders. Then, as the guerrilla war intensified over the summer, Syria seemed to reconsider. Officials clearly perceived American weakness in Iraq and concluded that so long as the guerrilla war continued, the United States would be exceedingly cautious in expanding the conflict. Indeed, during the six months of U.S. absorption with the guerrilla war, the Syrian perception solidified into the view that the United States was trapped in Iraq in a war it could neither win nor exit. Syria permitted Palestinian and Islamist activity to resume, discounting the U.S. threat.

    Thus, the United States’ failure to achieve its second strategic goal created a situation in which Syria drew judgments that were not warranted, since the United States had achieved the first goal. The United States was the dominant military power in the region; it simply wasn’t perceived as militarily powerful. That perception was driven by the inability to stop the guerrillas. Therefore, the United States had to demonstrate that the guerrilla war did not weaken its ability to coerce its neighbors in the region.

    The United States appears to have decided to treat the guerrilla war as a military side show -- not insignificant, but certainly not militarily decisive. Given this, there is no reason for Washington to halt aggressive actions in the region to force change in behavior toward al Qaeda and associated groups. By doing this, the United States not only exploits the military advantage it has won, but also shifts back the psychological perception to something that more reasonably matches U.S. capabilities.

    Therefore, we expect to see more aggressive U.S. moves in the coming months. The situation facing the Syrians is a paradigm created by the U.S. strategy at this point: Washington is using a coalition of regional powers to put Syria in an untenable position. The Bush administration accepts the fact that the United States will be seen as collaborating with Israel -- under the valid theory that whatever the United States does, it will be seen as Israel’s collaborator and therefore might as well enjoy the benefits of collaboration. Finally, Washington is using the real threat of action to create a situation in which Damascus either must comply with Washington’s wishes or place a life-or- death bet that the United States will refrain from action.

    The Saudis at this point are not an issue for the United States, but Iran is. The United States is open to a deal with Iran, but the Iranian perception that the United States is desperate for a deal must be changed, from Washington’s point of view. Iran, like Syria, has perceived the U.S. position in Iraq as causing strategic paralysis for Washington. That has made closing the deal with Tehran impossible. Iran’s high expectations of what it would get from the deal kept rising as the sense of American vulnerability increased. Washington’s intent is clearly to change that perception and reconfigure the negotiation process. The test case will be Iran’s response to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) on its nuclear weapons program.

    The United States is now trying to accept the guerrilla war as a semi-permanent feature of its occupation of Iraq. It is trying to restart its strategic engines in spite of that reality. From a strictly military point of view, there is no reason why this can’t happen. From a strategic point of view, it is a logical necessity. From a domestic point of view, the administration must demonstrate that Iraq was a means toward an end and not an end in itself. It must return to the strategic principles that drove the invasion.

    Many things can go wrong with this strategy -- and they might. All strategies are vulnerable to reality, expected and unexpected. The Syrians might not buckle and the United States might not have the ability to coerce them. The Iranians might trigger a massive rising among the Shiites that the United States cannot control. The guerrillas might increase their operations and become strategically significant. And most important, something totally unexpected might happen.

    The United States decided to climb aboard the tiger when it invaded Iraq. That is not a bad strategy; the problem is there is no safe way to climb off the tiger. For six months, the U.S. response to the unexpected guerrilla war was to hang onto the tiger and hope he would fall asleep. Hasn’t happened. Won’t happen. Being on the tiger’s back leaves the United States only one option: Ride the tiger.

    It is interesting to note the paradox in Rumsfeld. Having been perceived as an enormously aggressively strategist, he turned out to be remarkably passive in the face of unexpected countermoves. This has happened to many strategic planners: Effective in planning a war, they become ineffective in dealing with the unplanned and unexpected. The most dangerous point in a war comes when the unexpected happens and the old plan must be thrown away and a new one devised on the fly. That’s what happened in Iraq. The challenge facing the United States is defining a plan to deal with the unexpected and unwelcomed. If the United States succeeds in doing so -- and in a long war, it will have to do this over and over again -- it can succeed. If the United States behaves as France did in 1940 -- paralyzed by an opponent behaving unexpectedly -- the outcome can be grim.

    It is unclear whether the United States will succeed. The issue is not to deal with the guerrillas in Iraq, but to redefine the entire strategy of the war against al Qaeda -- to revive the link between the Iraq campaign and the effort to destroy the primary adversary. It appears to us that the United States now has begun to do that. However, it is unclear whether it will succeed. The first crisis of the war that began Sept. 11 is being addressed, but it is unclear whether it will be solved.

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    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 12:43:05 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [277 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  A straight forward and even analysis. Syria is the next logical target. Iran has chosen Syria as it's focus of force projection. Remove Syria, and we free up Israel's northern border, and almost completely isolate Iran. And given recent events, we have every reason to . perceive Syria as the beligerent it truly is. Also, take out Syria, you get Lebanon as a two-fer. Do it!!!!
    Posted by: Rex Mundi || 10/19/2003 1:45 Comments || Top||

    #2  Just a brain-blip while reading this, and with my mind on other-but-related things:

    It seems to me that the US response to places like Syria and Iran will at some point happen, but there's perhaps some measure of hesitation until "the time is right."

    I imagine that the US command would like to confront a Syria or Iran in the same way that it confronted Iraq during this war - with good psyops, warning the cannon-fodder away by pointing out the "freedom option" versus fighting for a tyranny that's dead in either case.

    Once Iraq has excercised its first democratic election, the strength of the US position there increases geometrically - and calls against troops fighting for "this mullah or that tyrant" in psyops softening-up are made significantly more powerful.

    I wonder whether I'm making any strategic sense or not :)

    -Vic
    Posted by: Vic || 10/19/2003 1:50 Comments || Top||

    #3  Rex Mundi,

    Why go through the trouble of isolating Iran. Let's just take them out and the sooner the better. I have a feeling they are closer to nukes than we know considering these previously unknown facilities keep popping up. The last thing we need is a surprise coming from Iran Pakistani style.
    Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 10/19/2003 2:50 Comments || Top||

    #4  My 2.5 cents:

    Fair and accurate analysis - especially regards the parts I don't particulary want to hear. Truth just is - and this rings true.

    Syria or Iran: I choose Iran - for 3 reasons:

    1) Time. We don't have much time to stop the Black Hats before they can truly claim to have deliverable nukes. They have far too much money and willing mercenary asshat help - Paki, Russki, NorK, and probably several Euro campanies below the state level. France, for instance, is making all the wrong noises - again (yesterday's De Villepin interview) - and it makes me wonder, again.

    2) Funding. Money. Mullah Moolah™. Iran and Saudi Arabia are the primary funding sources for all forms of terror and Islamofascism - even if often at cross-purposes. As we've seen with AlQ - if you cut off the cash, it's damned hard to pull off attacks, not that they won't manage it eventually. But certainly not as frequently or easily as with the big bucks - it takes a helluvalot of fertilizer to equal a few Kg of Semtex and the logistics are a shitload harder to manage, for example. Also, the majority of the Paleo assholes don't give 2 shits about the so-called Palestinian people. Hamas, Hezbollah, IzJihad, AlAqsa, (insert flavor of the week), and especially ARAFAT AND THE ENTIRE PAL AUTHORITY ZOO of sycophants are mercenary motherfuckers. Period. Stop the cash and you'll find a reduction in fighters cannon fodder, in nitwits willing to blow themselves up, and Pal support - no more bonus checks for those who send their children off to be splodeydopes. Not to mention fewer and poorer arms and munitions. Taking Iran out of the equation will have visible and significant results everywhere. Cut off Mullah Moolah™ and SyrLeb is a pussy, as the same equation exists there regards mercs. I believe you can do what you will with it after cutting off the cash.

    3) The Iranian population will provide 99% of the "boots on the ground" needed if we will tip the Mullacracy over and provide targeted support. Not to try to get detail-deep into specifics (cuz I'm not qualified to do so), but in an overview of possibilities I believe that Iran is ripe for a decapitation: of the Rev Guard, the Rev Council, and at least the top couple of layers of Black Hats. The way I see it, it will take Air Force, SpecOps, limited Army Air, and Navy-delivered standoff weapons such as TLAMs. I believe that if the CIA (remember Woolsey's recent comments regards Iran) has the contacts to organize and coordinate the remaining leaders of the abortive anti-Mullah revolution, then a remote-control decap strike can work. Think about SpecOps arming the citizenry from strategic captures, AF & Army Air assets both giving total air superiority and taking out pro-Mullah forces which move to engage the new base occupiers. With air supporting them, they can deny a LOT of materiel as well as fixed defensive postions from the Mullahs, providing SpecOps can deliver. You know the Pentagon has some plans available that follow this line of thought - unless I'm all wet. Barring that, which is certainly a possibility, I am worried that the TLAM, et al, stocks have not yet been replenished. I have seen what the US forces can do with proper support from the Prez, so I believe they can handle this. Puhleeze tell me where and how this view is wrong if you have contradictory facts. SpecOps and weapons stocks are, I believe, the key. Obviously the AF and Naval assets are currently more or less available. If this pans out, we supply the new No-Shit Democratic Republic of Iran with arms material, intelligence, and air support until they are producing the cash to buy it and train non-Mullah forces.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 4:09 Comments || Top||

    #5  Doh!

    4) AlQ lives and operates from there - with Mullah support and funding. Obviously, this puts us squarely on-track to knock out more terror-enabling cash to Asia groups, too, such as JI - since it has been established that they get funding from the AlQ asshats.

    Iran. It's a win-win-win-win call - if it can be pulled off soon. Very soon.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 4:15 Comments || Top||

    #6  Doh-II!

    5) Stop the Mullahs in their efforts to destabilize Iraq by funding asshats of all flavors - especially Al Sadr and his insane ilk.

    That's a 5-win call... at least. I'm sure you smart folks will come up with more. Sorry for multiple hits.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 4:54 Comments || Top||

    #7  Friedman misses one of the key reasons for the Iraq operation: to acquire the human assets needed to prosecute the campaign against terror. The new Iraqi Army, police and intelligence services, now under American direction, represent a quantum leap in US capability. It would have taken us decades to train an equivalent number of Americans, pitch perfect in language and indisguishable from the locals. The US has also sunk its roots deep into the Shi'a and the Kurds. The countries in the region used to fear Iraq under Saddam Hussein; they will have more reason to fear an Iraq backed by US military capability.

    Both the Syrians and Iranians really only had one shot to neutralize the US: 'guerilla war'. But by Friedman's own estimate, this has failed. The big question is what the US, having absored their worst blow, is going to dish out in return. It is unlikely to be a conventional military campaign; the blow will far more likely leapfrog over the conventional defenses of the Syrian and Iranian states and go straight for their leaders. A giant putsch, if you will. Recently, the US military has not fought any two successive campaigns in the same way. Whatever happens won't be expected.
    Posted by: wretchard || 10/19/2003 7:13 Comments || Top||

    #8  Actually, there's a LOT missing from this analysis. There's far too much I don't know about what's going on in Iraq to make all the corrections, but a few quick thoughts:

    1. We now have 24-hour control of approximately 85% of Iraq. We have a nutcase in Najef stirring up trouble there and in Baghdad, but not enough to really destabilize the area. We have an influx of foreign fighters entering Iraq, and getting whacked by US and the new Iraqi forces. The Iraqis are getting valuable experience, under supervision of their trainers, in handling the situation, and they're being successful, which builds their morale. Both the Iraqis and the US Administration have said we'll be in Iraq "for quite a while". From all this, I see (a) the US gaining bases in Iraq that can be used for attacks against "hostile elements in the area", meaning Syria, Iran, and whatever other group of hotheaded idiots that might pop up; (b) the establishment of an open, honest, mostly-democratic government in the Middle East, one that provides the necessities to its people, and one friendly to the United States; and (c) destabilization of the dictatorships and "kingdoms" (actually nothing more than large tribal groups) in the area. This will, by its very nature, undermine the powers of the turbantops, and increase their isolation from the people.

    The United States has already done one of its most effective acts against the Syrian government - cut off the oil. That, alone, will make any Syrian government action against the United States forces, or Isreal, virtually impossible. Our actions in Iraq have also loosened the turbantop's hold on the people of Jordan. The Saudis know we know they're complicit in funding most of the Jihadi activities anywhere, and are sweating bullets, afraid of US intervention in Soodiland. Even the Egyptians and the Pakistanis are beginning to understand that a US force in Iraq will change the entire nature of the Middle East, and are acting accordingly. We will soon also have a strategic base to monitor Russia's continuing slow slide back into totalitarianism.

    Add the final coup de grace - our actions are upsetting France and Germany, and playing havoc with the French economy. Chirac knows his days are numbered: he cannot continue to have any power after Iraq tells him to shove his multi-billion dollar lein, and to return the illegal bank accounts of Saddam and associates. France's economic implosion will be the final straw for a single European government, and return the EU to a loose association of states working together to ease tariff and visa restrictions. The Euro may survive, but the European Union will be significantly changed.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/19/2003 10:20 Comments || Top||

    #9  I don't understand why Americans are surprised with the need to readjust or tune a strategy. It happens in football every weekend at halftime.

    Iran would be a target to strike against weapons poliferation. Syria/Lebanon would be a strike to end the out of control Palestinian situation.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 13:11 Comments || Top||

    #10  Fair Use - Consider this article an arbitrary sample of the quality analysis you can receive from StratFor. Click the title to go to their site and see for yourself the breadth of content. Multiple levels of subscription are available

    LOL.... Borderline . Tell me about the Encyclopedia Britannica? Is it any good?
    Posted by: Shipman || 10/19/2003 13:20 Comments || Top||

    #11  I aims ta please... I thunk it was good enough for discussion and all that rot - as far as it went... methinks OP wanted more! ;-)

    Re: Encyclopedia Britannica
    Honest / Open question? Assuming so: I have no experience with it mineownself.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 13:35 Comments || Top||

    #12  Whoa - the war in Iraq isn't going well?

    Earth to Stratfor -- The war in Iraq ENDED in March. What we have here is a turbulent POST-WAR situation. And you think that isn't going well? Check out these articles from Life Magazine that ran in 1946!

    http://www.kultursmog.com/Life-Page01.htm
    http://www.kultursmog.com/Life-Page02.htm
    Posted by: Norman Rogers || 10/19/2003 18:52 Comments || Top||


    8 Marines charged for mistreating Iraqi POWs
    The US military has charged eight US Marine reservists, including two officers, with brutal treatment of Iraqi prisoners of war that may have resulted in the death of one Iraqi man, defence and justice officials said today. The eight fought in Iraq as part of the First Marine Division during the campaign to topple the regime of Saddam Hussein and were detailed to guard a prisoner-of-war camp called Camp Whitehorse outside the southern city of Nasiriyah. "These men have been charged in connection with maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners of war," said Marine spokesman Staff Sergeant Bill Lisbon, adding that the charges ranged from negligent homicide to assault and dereliction of duty.

    The case marks the second time in about three months US troops have been accused of brutality and abuse of prisoners in Iraq. In late July, the army filed charges against four members of military police accused of hitting Iraqi prisoners and breaking their bones at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq. All eight Marines have now been moved to Camp Pendleton, a base outside San Diego, California, where they are going through various pretrial hearings, Lisbon said. Military prosecutors allege that an Iraqi man named Nagem Sadoon Hatab died at Camp Whitehorse in early June following a possible beating by US guards. Details of the incident remain unclear. But attorney Donald Rehkopf, who will be defending Lance Corporal William Roy from assault and cruelty charges, said the circumstances surrounding Hatab’s death remained murky at best. "He was in a yard where they were many other prisoners," Rehkopf said. "So no-one is quite sure what happened. They haven’t released an autopsy for the cause of death." He said it could not be ruled out that the Marines had acted in self-defence because some of the prisoners, none of whom wore military uniforms, "were very violent individuals".
    Posted by: Paul Moloney || 10/19/2003 12:03:15 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [332 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  So we hold investigations and trials to check the actions of our soldiers in regards to POWs, while our enemies slit the throats of anyone they capture...

    And the "human rights" crowd constantly bitches about us.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 11:00 Comments || Top||

    #2  RC - Amen. It's cuz we have the 5-Star Hotels. You won't find any "respected human-rights" reps in the backwaters where the real action is, they're in London and New York, etc. Any report purporting to be from one of the nasty places is usually bits 'n pieces from lowly local stringers which are pasted together with liberal doses of "editing" (imagination) by a hack in Paris lounging in the Hotel Bar. The days of guys like Howard K Smith (We Were Soldiers) are long gone.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 12:47 Comments || Top||

    #3  I like that we hold ourselves to a higher standard a s long as we don't scapegoat guys who are honestly acting in accordance with orders.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 13:14 Comments || Top||

    #4  Hose, WE should hold ourselves to higher standards. Why the supposedly neutral international organizations hold us to a different standard is the question. They endlessly complain about the fringe problems in the US and other western nations while ignoring the everyday, systemic problems in the third world.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 16:08 Comments || Top||

    #5  Robert,
    I think Ron R would continue to do the right thing and ignore the criticism and expect that history would get it right in the end. I wish I had his confidence in historians. Looks like we do have friends around the world who watch our back.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 20:19 Comments || Top||


    Southeast Asia
    Malaysian First Lady Contradicts her Warlike Husband
    Islamic countries should reduce their military budgets and instead massively invest in education, particularly science and technology, to help solve problems besetting Muslims, Malaysia’s First Lady, Dr Siti Hasmah Mohamed Ali, said Friday. In making the call, the wife of the Malaysian Prime Minister said the Islamic world should see how it could collectively use its wealth to stem the tide of economic inequity and lack of social justice among the vast majority of the Ummah.
    "Socialism now, Socialism ever, Socialism forever." Joking aside, Ms. Mohamed doesn’t realize you need Capitalism, not government-run education, to reap the fruits of technology.
    Dr Siti Hasmah said the survival of the OIC member states depended on whether they were able to imagine dramatically different ways of doing things, including being more in tune with radical changes brought about by Information and Communications Technology (ICT).
    Islamic countries will deal with ICT all right... by censoring it.
    On another note, Dr Siti Hasmah urged Islamic countries to reflect deeply to identify the root causes of the problems besetting the community. "We must insist that neither the rule of law nor civil and human rights be sacrificed at the altar of misguided concepts of security and religious beliefs," she said.
    She said OIC countries must end conflicts, violence and terrorism.
    A muslim pacifist. Yeah!
    Dr Siti Hasmah said Muslims were so powerless that they had to resort to suicide bombings and the enemy would retaliate with sophisticated firepower.
    "What do we achieve with violence? Bombs and missiles cannot be the solution because the terror is in human hearts.
    This is just too funny. I wonder how dinner went last night at the Mohamed residence.
    Posted by: Sorge || 10/19/2003 9:27:17 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [296 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  When a Muslim calls for the rule of law, they're probably talking about sharia. Not exactly what the civilized world considers the rule of law.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 11:02 Comments || Top||

    #2  Wonder if this calls for an"Honor Murder"or will a beating be sufficient?
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 11:47 Comments || Top||

    #3  Yeah it's hard to keep it straight about when you should whack your mother, wife, sister, or just beat 'em up, or go gang-rape the daughter, wife, sister, mother of whomever offended you. So many rules. So many options. So many wymyns. So little time.

    Y'know, mebbe he'll ask his Imam for a fatwa to clarify everything. They can't have a Muslim Dictator PM go around thinking for himself, even if he is already a long-proven qualified Moonbat. Everything needs the imprimatur of legitimacy, or so our betters keep telling us.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 13:01 Comments || Top||

    #4  Mr. Crawford; where Shari'a reigns, there is indeed no rule of law, but rule of unreason.
    Posted by: Sorge || 10/19/2003 13:53 Comments || Top||


    Middle East
    Egypt’s Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya turns on militancy
    Yeah, really. That's what it sez, anyway...
    With the publication of two new books, Egypt’s notorious Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya, the group behind the assassination of President Anwar Sadat, has cemented an historic peaceful reformation and launched an assault on Islamic militancy throughout the region. The Egyptian government recently released another 1,000 members of the once-militant organization, which in 1997 killed 58 tourists at a 3,400-year old temple in Luxor. Over 2,000 members of the organization have recently been freed, including three of its top leaders.
    I guess their victims aren't dead anymore...
    The release of Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya’s leaders will allow them to assume a more public role in combating extremist ideologies, analysts say. Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya’s two recently published books offer wide-reaching condemnations of violence in the name of Islam, and devote considerable space to rebukes of Osama Bin Laden, the Taleban, and Mullah Omar.

    Throughout the 20th century Egypt has been the birthplace of militant Islamic ideologies. The Muslim Brotherhood, founded in the 1920s in the Suez Canal town of Ismailiya, would soon spawn similar organizations throughout the Middle East. The Egyptian writer Sayyid Qutb, who was executed by the government in 1966, provided the ideological underpinnings of groups such as Al-Qaeda and Islamic Jihad. Two of the masterminds behind the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks were Egyptian and bin Laden’s top lieutenant Ayman Al Zawahiri, was a Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya recruit.

    Many hope that the reformed Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya can export peace, just as it, for years, exported violence. “They have proven that they are capable of doing something, but this time hopefully in a different way and for a different purpose,” said Mohammed Abu Layla, a professor of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University.
    If that actually happens, maybe it won't be a first, but it won't be anything usual...
    The first of the two books, Tafgirat al-Riyadh (The Riyadh Bombings), deals specifically with the recent bombings of foreign housing compounds in Saudi Arabia. The obligation to protect foreign guests is repeatedly stressed in the book. Only the state can declare Jihad and determine whether it is in the interests of all Muslims, Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya writes.
    Islamic opinion seems to be split on the subject. Some say only the state can declare jihad, and other say any idiot can, which results in lots of idiots doing so...
    In Nahr al-Zikriyat (A River of Memories), Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya’s leaders answer questions that were supposedly asked of them by their followers while in prison from 2001 to 2002. Imprisoned Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya leaders reportedly toured Egyptian prisons convincing their thousands of imprisoned followers to denounce violence as un-Islamic. Over one-third of the book is devoted to Sept. 11, 2001. Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya “considers what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, as a real catastrophe for Islam and for the Muslims and for the Islamic nation,” said Dia Rashwan, an expert on terrorism and political Islam with the Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies. Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya argues that the killing of women, foreigners and old people is wrong, and support their positions with passages from the Koran and the Hadith.

    These are the fifth and sixth books Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya has released.
    They released four books in January 2002 which were more theoretical than the two most recent books. Among those released from Egyptian prisons in the past two weeks, was Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya leader Karam Zohdi, who spent 22 years in jail for his role in the assassination of Sadat, and the subsequent uprising in the Egyptian city of Assiut. Those familiar with Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya expect Zohdi and other recently freed group leaders to play a public role in combating the ideology of violent Islamic extremism throughout the region. “Many of the region’s violent organizations took their ideas from the Al-Gamaa al-Islamiya,” said Mohammed Salah who, as the Cairo bureau chief for Al-Hayat, has extensive experience with Islamists in Egypt. “Now they have a peaceful role to play and they have more credibility with the other (extremist) organizations.”
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 16:46 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [261 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  lobotomies must've taken, huh?
    Posted by: Frank G || 10/19/2003 18:12 Comments || Top||


    Syria-Lebanon
    Dinnieh suspect admits giving military training to youth
    One of the defendants under trial on charges of staging the Dinnieh armed rebellion admitted on Friday that he had previously trained some young men in military combat to prepare them for a confrontation with Israel. Some 50 people were killed in the crossfire between an Islamic militant group and the army that took place on New Year’s Eve in 2000. Friday’s court proceedings were confined to questioning the defendant Hilal Jaafar, who was in a camp in the Dinnieh mountain region when the clashes took place. Jaafar told the court that he used to give lessons in religious studies and indicated that it was he who had negotiated with former MP Khaled Daher in the camp, but denied reports of having held him hostage at the time. He admitted, however, that he prevented him from leaving the camp but added that he took this measure for the MP’s own safety.
    "Y'can't leave, Khaled. It's for your own safety."
    "My own safety?"
    "Yeah. If you try to leave, I'll kill you."
    The defendant categorically denied allegations of having opened fire on army troops or used arms, but he said that he had traveled across the valleys to reach Tripoli and get to Beirut. He also denied the charges that Bassam Kanj, known as Abu Aysha, headed any military organization. Jaafar also denied charges that Abu Aysha used to train young Muslim men in North Lebanon in preparation for a jihad against Israel. However, Jaafar admitted that he himself used to train some young men in using light weapons to be ready to confront Israel in future, considering such an action to be his “jihad duty.” He explained that his relation to Abu Aysha was purely a commercial one and that he did not receive a monthly salary from him in return for training the young people in military combat.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 16:37 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [262 views] Top|| File under:


    Middle East
    Islamic Development Bank needs more financial support for Palestine
    The Islamic Development Bank (IDB) on Friday called the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) member states to increase its assistance and support to alleviate the sufferings of the people of Palestine.
    None of which are their own damn fault, of course...
    IDB president, Ahmed Muhammadi Ali, was reported by the Malaysian agency Bernama as saying the 57-member organization needed to mobilise resources to address the international crisis of humanity in Palestine and "restore empowerment, hope, integrity and dignity back to the Palestinian people."
    Seems like there's always enough money available for ammunition. They can't be hurting that bad...
    "The situation in Palestine and the human suffering has never been more catastrophic. We believe that more must be done to alleviate the sufferings. We must act together, and act now," he told reporters on the sidelines of the 10th OIC summit being held at the Putrajaya Convention Center. Ahmad said funds donated by OIC member states would be channeled to the Al-Aqsa Fund, established in October 2000 during an emergency Arab Summit Conference, with the aim of supporting the Palestinians. He said the situation in Palestine remained dire despite a substantial infusion of funds from many Arab donors, including aid contribution of over US$721 million to date. Although IDB and the Al-Aqsa Fund had supported the Palestinians economically, the state's economy declined to less than half its 1999 strength. The World Bank estimated that Palestine's Gross National Income dropped by 38 per cent between 1999 and 2002. Per capita income of Palestine had declined by almost 50 per cent compared to three years ago from US$1,750 to US$900 while poverty rate in the West Bank and Gaza had tripled and 2.5 million of the population was living under the poverty line. Meanwhile, unemployment grew three-folds in the last three years from 10 per cent in 2000 to nearly 40 per cent of the Palestinian work force today.
    Good things the princes are willing to kick in. Otherwise they might have to get jobs.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 16:29 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [318 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Go ahead, OIC. Pour more of your money down that Palestinian black hole. At the very least, ol' Yasser can line his pockets with just a little more money...
    Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/19/2003 17:40 Comments || Top||

    #2  "Although IDB and the Al-Aqsa Fund had supported the Palestinians economically, the state's economy declined to less than half its 1999 strength"

    Cause/Effect Lesson for the Paleos #8,427
    Posted by: Frank G || 10/19/2003 18:36 Comments || Top||

    #3  Ah yes,give more money to the Al Qsa Martyr's Brigade.That's the ticket,more Paleo boomers will fix the economy.
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 19:32 Comments || Top||

    #4  Be interesting to know how much of unemployment
    rise is due to loss of jobs in Israel for Palestinians.
    Posted by: Stephen || 10/19/2003 19:41 Comments || Top||

    #5  Wasa matter bad boys? Money sources drying up?? Having to beg for the plight of the Paleo's to get money to build more bombs? That's gotta be pocket change compared to what you were used to. Times are rough. Guess you'll just have to cinch that suicide belt in a notch or two.
    Posted by: B || 10/19/2003 20:38 Comments || Top||


    Syria-Lebanon
    Hizbullah prevents American diplomats from entering area
    Members of the Hizbullah party prevented a procession from the American embassy in Beirut from passing on a road in south Lebanon close to the borders with Israel, on the ground that it is "banned to enter this area." A Lebanese security sources said that no confrontation recurred between the Hizbullah and members of the procession of the American diplomats.
    "There was no confrontation. The Hezbollah guys threatened to beat them up, so they left..."
    The security source explained that members of the Hizbullah party notified the Lebanese who headed the procession to inspect the road that they can not pass in this area "because it is banned to enter it." A source at the American embassy in Beirut confirmed the incident noting that a procession for the embassy was prevented from entering a road in southern Lebanon and did not give justification for the presence of this procession in that area. The source said that the American embassy in Beirut filed an official complaint with the Lebanese government regarding that.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 16:23 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [329 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Sounds like they've got all their rockets and other widgets set up by the road, and don't want anyone who would let the world know about it to see.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 16:41 Comments || Top||

    #2  Sounds more as if they are claiming military & political control of the area.
    Posted by: rkb || 10/19/2003 16:45 Comments || Top||

    #3  I'm kind of curious as to what the Lebanese government has to say about this. It doesn't look very good when a two-bit terror organization seems to be running the show.
    Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/19/2003 16:48 Comments || Top||

    #4  If Israel isn't using drones already, we need to get them some quick. These area need to be recognoitered.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 20:34 Comments || Top||


    Middle East
    Suspected Islamic Militant Confesses to Terror Plots
    A suspected Islamic militant confessed Sunday to being part of a conspiracy to attack Americans in Jordan, as well as the U.S. Embassy and Jordanian bases where the plotters believed U.S. troops were stationed. Zuhair Shdeifat, 26, told the military court where he and nine other Jordanian militants are on trial that the plotters stockpiled grenades and rockets and raised funds last year "to defend Jordan's soil." Shdeifat did not elaborate, but said another of the defendants, Amer Sarraj, 34, had wanted "us to carry out jihad in Jordan by attacking American military bases in Jordan." Unlike the other nine defendants, Shdeifat has pleaded guilty to conspiring to carry out terrorist attacks and possessing arms and explosives with the intent of using them illegally. The offenses are punishable by death. It was unclear whether the military prosecution would seek a lighter sentence for Shdeifat for pleading guilty. Shdeifat was arrested Jan. 27, but freed eight days later in an apparent deal to turn him into a prosecution witness. Three Saudi men charged in the plot remain at large.
    Made it back to Riyadh, did they?
    Military prosecutor Lt. Col. Mahmoud Obeidat accused the Jordanians of receiving funds from Saudi Arabia via two of the Saudi fugitives. The investigation has not uncovered a strong link between the conspiracy and the Al Qaeda terror group.
    Wannabes, trying to go into business for themselves...
    Obeidat's 13-page indictment sheet accused a schoolteacher, Faisal Khalidi, 30, of masterminding the Jordanian side of the plot. Standing the dock in smart casual clothes — while his co-defendants wore dark blue prison uniforms — Shdeifat said Sunday that he, Khalidi and two associates had allegedly devised plans to go to Afghanistan to fight American troops pursuing Al Qaeda members. When the plotters realized it was too difficult to enter Afghanistan, they changed plans and decided to attack U.S. targets in Jordan, Shdeifat said. Shdeifat said he and seven other conspirators in detention had bought 20 grenades and a rocket from Iraq to use in the attacks.
    But they're not al-Qaeda, y'see, so Sammy didn't really have a connection with terrorism...
    Obeidat's indictment says the militants chose to attack the U.S. Embassy in Amman and the military bases of Yajouz, Azraq, Jafr and al-Safawi — desert towns along a 248-mile highway from Amman to the Iraqi border. When they selected these bases in early 2002, the government denied there were any U.S. troops in Jordan. Weeks before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began in March, Jordan said it had allowed several hundred American soldiers to operate an air-defense system to protect the country from possible Iraqi missiles.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 15:23 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [259 views] Top|| File under:


    Three Israelis killed in ambush near Ofra
    JPost Reg req’d EFL
    Palestinians opened fire from very close range on a group of Israelis travelling on Road 60 near the settlement of Ofra north of Ramallah, killing three Israelis and wounding one other.

    Magen David Adom said three Israelis were killed and another was moderately wounded in the attack, which occured at around 7PM near to the settlement of Ofra and the Arab village of Ein Yabrud.

    Media reports point to the possibility that the shots came from the Arab village. No!! Ein Yarub has been sealed, as have all roads leading into and out of the area. After most attacks in the area, the terrorists flee into Ramallah, Israel Radio reported. Ramallah, grotto Home of the Arafish
    Israel Radio reported that Palestinians opened "massive" fire on the Israeli car, and also threw grenades in what appears to be an ambush. Other reports said that the Israeli car was fired on by a passing car.

    The wounded were being treated by Magen David Adom at the scene, and the three Israelis killed were pronounced dead at the scene.

    Helicopters have taked the wounded Israeli to a hospital in Jerusalem.

    Security forces have arrived in the area and are conducting searches for the perpetrators in the surrounding Arab villages.

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility. In the past, gunmen from the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, linked to Palestinian President Yasser Arafat’s Fatah movement, have been active in the area, which is near the town of Ramallah, where Arafat has his headquarters.
    Sheer coincidence
    Military sources said there was no specific terror warning for the Ofra area. The sources said Fatah cowards terrorists were most probably behind the attack.

    The area has been the scene of repeated Palestinian gunfire attacks at Israeli vehicles during three years of fighting.

    Chairman of the Council of Jewish Communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza Pinchas Wallerstein said all the attacks on Road 60 in the past "emanated from the Muqata [Arafat’s Ramallah compound]."

    Meanwhile, five reservist batallions will be deployed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the framework of a limited mobilization of reservists who received call up notices during the Succot week as part of an effort to beef up the security presence in the Territories due to the ongoing violence.

    Posted by: Frank G || 10/19/2003 2:28:30 PM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [331 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Obviously an IDF fire team. They never mention units. Must be. Well they were or are gonna be a member of an IDF fireteam.
    Posted by: Shipman || 10/19/2003 18:49 Comments || Top||

    #2  What? No attempt at a suicide bombing? I guess they must have ran out of retards candidates willing to become airborne in several dozen different directions martyrs.
    Posted by: Charles || 10/19/2003 19:46 Comments || Top||

    #3  Damn Muslims murdered 3 Israelis in cold blood. Here's an idea: carpet bombing all "refugee" "camps", followed by total Transfer. If Muslims are so keen on a Paleo state, let them found it in the middle of the Sinai, or somewhere in the wastes of the Arabian peninsula.
    Posted by: Eddie Blake || 10/19/2003 23:31 Comments || Top||


    Israel threatens Syria with ‘renewed action’
    A top Israeli defence official Saturday threatened Syria with renewed “actions” for its alleged role in supporting terrorist groups. “The magnitude of Syrian support to Damascus-based groups is more significant that we had imagined and has to stop,” said Major General Amos Gilad, who head the defence ministry’s political department. Referring to the air strike he said that “if the message failed to get through, the situation will be re-assessed and necessary action will be taken.”
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:15 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [322 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Tough call for Israel... smack 'em hard now, or wait for Dubya make his moves? I'd suggest just dealing Iran a nuke program setback for now and letting Dubya decapitate Iran in 2005. Syria/Lebanon is an easier clean-up after its terrorists lose their major backer.
    Posted by: Tom || 10/19/2003 11:54 Comments || Top||

    #2  Ho-boy. "Gil" Gilad sounds pissed.

    Don't MAKE him come up there, you dumb shits!
    Posted by: mojo || 10/19/2003 15:47 Comments || Top||

    #3  Sounds to me like a warning shot instead of a plea. I'm not privy to the futures...but I'd be willing to wager over 50% that Israel has already counted to two and Syria will get that spanking at the same time Israel says "three". None of that one, two, three....I'm going to spank you if you do that again!

    Just one, two (smack) three.
    Posted by: B || 10/19/2003 21:16 Comments || Top||


    Home Front
    US sniper linked to al-Fuqra?
    Okay. How'd we miss this? Link is from today's Mark Steyn column, which is also worth reading, via Kathy, who's also well worth reading...
    14 October 2003
    Evidence has emerged linking Washington sniper John Allen Muhammad with an Islamic terror group.
    Bingo!
    Muhammad has been connected to Al Fuqra, a cult devoted to spiritual purification through violence.
    Daniel Pearl was investigating al-Fuqra and its head, Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani. This isn't brand new news, by the way. The feds were investigating any connections a year ago. Guess they must have found something...
    The group has been linked to British shoe bomber Richard Reid and the murderers of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Pakistan last year.
    Gilani's just a simple holy man, of course, doing God's work...
    Muhammad today stands trial for murder after bringing terror to America's suburbs along with a 17-year-old accomplice, Lee Malvo. Until now many believed that the killing spree, which left 10 dead, was the work of a loner. But investigators suspect the 42-year-old former soldier was an Islamic terrorist and believe his insanity plea is a cover story to disguise his support for fundamentalists. It seems clear that Muhammad saw his actions as linked to earlier terrorist outrages in America. He bought his Chevrolet Caprice car used in the attacks on the first anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 10:05 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [322 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Al'Fuqra has been connected to the murder of an "apostate" near Phoenix:

    http://www.kloognome.com/archives/000460.php
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 10:52 Comments || Top||

    #2  At one point there was an effort to understand how a homeless man was jetting around the country and internationally. I believe it was decided that he was dealing in fake passports. I don't like it but I have to say that I would drop the death penalty for all the information on his passport operation.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:47 Comments || Top||

    #3  I don't think Rantburg missed this. I read about the ties a couple of weeks ago and I thought it was on Rantburg.
    Posted by: Anonymous || 10/20/2003 1:11 Comments || Top||


    Caucasus
    Azerbaijan police quell mass protests
    Police in Azerbaijan have arrested hundreds of protesters and armed men reportedly snatched an opposition leader after the new president’s vow to clamp down on protests. The wife of the opposition Democratic Party leader, Serdar Calaloglu, said men wearing masks had kicked down the door of their apartment and dragged him away. The OSCE democracy watchdog criticised Wednesday's vote, citing cases of ballot-stuffing, intimidation of the opposition and police violence. The opposition claims it was robbed of victory. The newly elected hereditary president, Ilham Aliyev, promised on Saturday he would not stand for a repeat of riots the day after the poll when, an official in his party said, two people were killed in clashes between protesters and truncheon-wielding police. He accused Musavat Party leader Isa Gambar, runner-up in the election, of being behind the riots, in which about 3000 protesters hurled stones, overturned cars and fought police. “Isa Gambar should expect the judgment of the Azeri people as a provocateur and a person who has blood on his hands,” Aliyev said at an Independence Day ceremony.
    I keep trying to make the point that democracy is not the same thing as individual liberty. Nor is it the same thing as honesty and fairness. Welcome to my world.
    Gambar, who as a presidential candidate enjoys immunity until official results are announced, was defiant in an interview at his Baku flat, which he said was under police surveillance. Three foreign observers were staying with him. “No threats will intimidate me and my comrades-in-arms. We will continue peaceful struggle for democracy in accordance with the constitution of Azerbaijan,” he told Reuters. Gambar dismissed suggestions he may ask for political asylum abroad.
    You've got "democracy." Struggle for liberty.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 08:53 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [261 views] Top|| File under:


    Home Front
    Wesley at Waco
    ...Although Clark never publicly has discussed his role in the attack on the Branch Davidians and did not respond to Insight’s requests for an interview to discuss his role at Waco, there are indisputable facts that confirm he had knowledge of the grim plans to bring the standoff to an end. Between August 1992 and April 1994, Clark was commander of the 1st Cavalry Division of the Army’s III Corps at Fort Hood, Texas. According to a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the list of military personnel and equipment used at Waco included: 15 active-duty military personnel, 13 Texas National Guard personnel, nine Bradley fighting vehicles, five combat-engineer vehicles, one tank-retrieval vehicle and two M1A1 Abrams tanks. Additionally, Fort Hood reportedly was used for much of the training for the bloody attack on the Davidians and their children.

    Based on the fact that military equipment from Fort Hood was used in the siege and that training was provided there, say critics, it is clear the commanding officer of the 1st Cavalry had direct knowledge of the attack and, more likely than not, was involved in the tactical planning.

    West Point graduate Joseph Mehrten Jr. tells Insight that, "Clark had to have knowledge about the plan because there is no way anyone could have gotten combat vehicles off that base without his okay. The M1A1 Abrams armor is classified ’Secret,’ and maybe even ’Top Secret,’ and if it was deployed as muscle for something like Waco there would have been National Firearms Act weapons issues. Each of these M1A1 Abrams vehicles is armed with a 125-millimeter cannon, a 50-caliber machine gun and two 30-caliber machine guns, which are all very heavily controlled items, requiring controls much like a chain of legal custody. It is of critical importance that such vehicles could not have been moved for use at Waco without Clark’s knowledge."
    Posted by: john || 10/19/2003 8:04:14 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [326 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  According to my research Clark certainly crossed into a gray area regarding the Posse Comitatus Act. While it probably can not be proven, Clark's complicity in the massacre at Waco probably led to his Nato appointment and his involvement in Bosnia.

    This guy is a loose cannon, and he is not worthy of the rank he held or the office he seeks.
    Posted by: Douglas De Bono || 10/19/2003 8:40 Comments || Top||

    #2  Douglas -- his involvement also probably led to him being encouraged to run for president. After all, to the left, a general involved in the destruction of a Christian splinter group is admirable, while one (like Boykin) that is openly Christian has to be removed.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 10:55 Comments || Top||

    #3  Yeah, those davidians were a bunch of law abiding Christians who never did anything wrong...
    Posted by: Anonymous || 10/19/2003 12:01 Comments || Top||

    #4  Thanks for the witty commentary, Anon. Next time you get a parking ticket, we'll surround your house with armored fighting vehicles and arbitrarily sentence you to death, too.
    Posted by: Dar || 10/19/2003 12:30 Comments || Top||

    #5  I missed the part where anyone said the Branch Davidians never did anything wrong.
    Posted by: Robert Crawford || 10/19/2003 12:49 Comments || Top||

    #6  If I know the metality of the military enlisted personnel involved, they would ahve been horrified at the results. An FOI to determine who they were would be the direction I would go. More than likely they are no longer in the service and would be willing to talk off teh record.
    This would answer why Wes is getting special treatment from the Clintons and why he would feel he could end run his commanders and go directly to the whitehouse.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:57 Comments || Top||

    #7  Hell, I got one cousin and a dead Uncle who would have walked in and arrested DK armed with nothin but a pistol and the correct law enforcement attitude. (CLEAR?)
    Posted by: Shipman || 10/19/2003 13:15 Comments || Top||

    #8  Sounds like they were Rangers. Probably the original American hardboiled hardass lawmen. The stories are amazing. The stories are true.
    Posted by: .com || 10/19/2003 13:28 Comments || Top||

    #9  I'd be willing to bet that any mil personnel that have since retired or been discharged had to sign a 10-year no-talk agreement when processing out. It's pretty standard, for folks with secret clearance and higher. The question is, does it cover things like deployments while on duty?
    Posted by: mojo || 10/19/2003 15:36 Comments || Top||

    #10  I'd be willing to bet that any mil personnel that have since retired or been discharged had to sign a 10-year no-talk agreement when processing out.
    If you had clearance to any "special material", you have to sign a 70 year agreement not to talk. I know from experience - my name's on one of them.
    Posted by: Old Patriot || 10/19/2003 17:38 Comments || Top||

    #11  Imagine this:
    March, 2004
    Four FBI agents are shot dead attempting to serve warrants at a Los Angeles area mosque. The terrorists barricade themselves in the building with 80+ family members and supporters, including many children.
    After a two month siege, the authorities attack with tanks and tear-gas, the place burns to the ground and most of those inside are killed.
    At the very least, lefties and Islamos would riot all over the world, faculty-led Mumia-Cong mobs would shut down half the campuses in the United States, Dems would demand Dubya's resignation, Katie Couric would cry on the air, the UN would pass resolutions, and the International Kangaroo Court would return a sheaf of indictments.

    We seldom question the media-ordained double-standard, but it is literally killing us and destroying our country. Know the enemy: The Hollywood/Madison Avenue Cultural Axis.
    Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 10/19/2003 18:15 Comments || Top||

    #12  Old Patriot,
    I would think that the enlisted folks would spread to different commands over time. It would take a pretty good conspiracy to track them all and keep them in line unless they were Delta Force. Just finding out that the "mission" had been classified Top Secret would be a fiind unto itself. If just one of those kids talked, the house of cards could fall down on Clark and maybe causing collateral damage to his support structure.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 20:24 Comments || Top||

    #13  ...Actually, it seems to me the questions we should be asking here are:

    "Did GEN Clark - on his own accord and without any consultation or notification of his superiors, use these weapons in violation of the PCA?"

    "Did any of GEN Clark's superiors - from the White House on down - direct him to make these weapons available to the Federal civilian authorities?"

    "If the answer to either one of these questions is 'NO', how does GEN Clark justify their use?"

    Mike
    Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/19/2003 20:44 Comments || Top||

    #14  LOL--now the right wing SPIN starts on this General's career! BTW Rantbourgeois--the Waco issue doesn't play in miidle America--those people killed Federal officers--and deserved what they got if one values THE RULE OF LAW
    Posted by: NotMikeMoore || 10/19/2003 23:01 Comments || Top||

    #15  I think it's absolutely hilarious watching the leftist sheep being corralled into rooting for a vain, glorious, bloody General. Hahahahaha. He stands for everything they have claimed to be against for the last 30 years - but that won't stop the bah bahing of these sheep-on-demand. What a bunch of pathetic losers.

    My take on all of this is that the left used Clark to take the spotlight off the real 2004 candidates while they were attacking each other in the primaries. It was a very shrewed move. It allowed the Democrats to shift the focus off their massive internal problems, as highlighted by their real candidates, and divert the press' attention to how badly Clark thought Bush was conducting the war.

    You gotta admit...it was a brilliant. Since the democrats have no military experts of their own, they were happy to wine and dine the vain/glorious Clark as long as he kept the dinner conversation on what he thought Bush was doing wrong.

    Now that the party has decided on their candidate(Dean), I'm guessing that Clark will only find himself welcome as long as he tows the line of bashing Bush and supporting Dean.
    Posted by: B || 10/20/2003 9:41 Comments || Top||


    Caucasus
    60 Accused Chechen Guerrillas Detained
    Authorities detained 60 people accused of belonging to groups planning to carry out terror attacks to disrupt the weekend inauguration of Chechnya's president, officials said Friday. Col. Ilya Shabalkin, spokesman for the Russian headquarters of what the Kremlin calls its anti-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus region, said law enforcement and security agencies were searching for other members of the group, whose number he said totaled about 200, the Interfax news agency reported. He said group members had planned to disrupt the inauguration Sunday of Akhmad Kadyrov, the Kremlin-appointed administration chief in Chechnya who won the regional presidential election there this month. He did not give details about the alleged plans.
    60 people is a pretty substantial bust...
    Shabalkin claimed the groups were linked to Aslan Maskhadov, the separatist who was elected president of Chechnya in 1997 but is now wanted by Russian authorities, and Shamil Basayev, a top rebel warlord who carried out several attacks during the two wars in Chechnya. He said the groups had received funding from Abu al-Walid, an Arab militant Russian authorities have accused of being behind attacks in Chechnya, Interfax reported.
    Another member of the al-Ghamdi clan...
    Interfax quoted Shabalkin as saying 37 of the suspects were detained in Ingushetia, a small region adjacent to Chechnya. Speaking on Channel One television, he said they had planned "terrorist acts" aimed to "destabilize the situation" in the North Caucasus, including Chechnya. Shabalkin said authorities have confiscated large quantities of weapons and ammunition from the people who were detained — about enough to fill a truck — and Channel One showed footage of guns, grenade launchers and other weapons Shabalkin said had been seized.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 02:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [283 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  From time to time a good gulag has its place - minus the beatings and rapings, of course. Just hard labor in the ice cold.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:39 Comments || Top||


    Syria-Lebanon
    Lebanon Arrests Suspected Terrorist
    Lebanese security forces have arrested a Yemeni man suspected of belonging to al-Qaida and masterminding bombings of Western targets in Lebanon, security officials said Saturday. Moammar Abdullah al-Awamah, 29, was arrested Monday on the outskirts of the Ein el-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp near Sidon in south Lebanon, the officials said on condition of anonymity. The officials said al-Awamah, also known as "Ibn al-Shaheed," or Son of the Martyr, was brought to Beirut, where army intelligence investigators were questioning him. Al-Awamah is among 35 people indicted by state prosecutors for bombing U.S. and British targets in Lebanon between May 2002 and April this year. With his arrest, 32 suspected cell members are in custody. Most of them are Lebanese, but Egyptian, Saudi and Yemeni nationals are believed to be among those detained. All 35 are charged with forming a terrorist network to bomb Western targets and harm Lebanon's reputation. The bombings, which took place in Beirut and the northern city of Tripoli, wounded five people and damaged several fast food restaurants.
    Legitimate military targets...
    The indictment says al-Awamah had fought with al-Qaida forces against Russian troops in Chechnya and with the hard-line Taliban militia in Afghanistan. Al-Awamah fled Afghanistan after U.S. forces attacked that country's fallen Taliban regime following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and arrived in Lebanon with a Yemeni passport. He took refugee in Ein el-Hilweh, the largest of 12 Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, where he lived with his Palestinian wife, the security officials said.
    And a pleasant household they maintained, we're sure...
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 02:07 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [339 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  All 35 are charged with forming a terrorist network to bomb Western targets and harm Lebanon's reputation.

    With Hezbollah in the south, and Syria in the Bekaa, how much more can Lebanon's "reputation" be harmed?
    Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/19/2003 17:43 Comments || Top||

    #2  BAR, give it some time and I'm sure we'll all find out.
    Posted by: Charles || 10/19/2003 19:48 Comments || Top||


    Latin America
    Hugo Warns on Referendum
    President Hugo Chavez issued a warning Saturday to anyone planning to sign a referendum on his presidency, saying their names would be registered and remembered "forever."
    "We're makin' a list, and you're gonna be on it..."
    Venezuela's elections authority this week said the opposition could gather signatures supporting a recall referendum from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1. The constitution says a referendum request must be backed by signatures from at least 20 percent of the electorate. But Chavez warned: "Their names will be recorded forever... They should know that although they are not going to get (a referendum), their names will be recorded. Unlike in a vote, which is secret, they will sign. They will put their names and surnames, their national ID number and their fingerprint."
    That's the sort of thing dictators do...
    Once the signatures are verified, a recall referendum could be held about March. Chavez says his opponents will never succeed in calling a referendum, but insists he will win even if one is held. He stressed that the names of those who do sign will be recorded in history as trying to bring back past, corrupt governments that Chavez overthrew when he was elected in 1998. "Venezuelans are free. He who wants to sign may do so — we are not going to coerce them or pressure them," Chavez said.
    "No, no! Certainly not!"
    Opponents have said Chavez is trying to intimidate Venezuelans so they will not vote against him.
    Y'think?
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 02:01 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [327 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  I am somewhat surprised that there isn't any article on the crisis in Bolivia so I will use this one. Does anyone beside me have an itch it can't scratch about whats going on in South America - Bolivia & Venezuela for example? It seems to me to be perfect breeding grounds for a Southern "terror" front especially if you read between the lines in what was going on in Bolivia. Similar symptons with other AlQ situations around the world absent the Islam stuff.
    Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/19/2003 11:38 Comments || Top||

    #2  Jack is Back - Our message to South America has been that we are pulling out and letting Castro have the lower continent. The perception comes from ou pulling back out of Panama. Now we plan to move out of PR, while we are extending ourselves into the ME.
    In some ways it is better not to make each an every battle appear to be the US versus Castro in this hemisphere, but we have no local ally in South America.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 13:24 Comments || Top||

    #3  President Hugo Chavez issued a warning Saturday to anyone planning to sign a referendum on his presidency, saying their names would be registered and remembered "forever."

    All he has to do now is set up gulag camps and change his last name to Stalin.
    Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/19/2003 17:37 Comments || Top||

    #4  I don't think that he has had time to create the type of secret police infrastructure that would be required for him to strike back at 20% of his population. He is popular with his lackey's and the peasants, but I would think that the middle class would be necessary for an effective clamp down.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 20:29 Comments || Top||


    Korea
    US, S.Korea Mull Troop Withdrawal -US Officials
    The United States is discussing with Seoul the possible withdrawal of thousands of U.S. troops from South Korea while increasing American military strength and mobility there and around Asia, U.S. defense officials said on Saturday. The officials said the bilateral talks were being held in conjunction with Pentagon planning on changing the U.S. military "footprint" around the world after the Cold War, but stressed that it was far too soon to speculate on the touchy issue of how many of the 37,000 U.S. troops in the South might be withdrawn.
    How about all of them?
    "The final figure could be high — I wouldn't argue with thousands. But that is speculation and far from decided," one of the officials told Reuters when asked about a report that as many as one-third could leave South Korea. Another official stressed that any withdrawal of thousands of troops would likely be accompanied by increases in U.S. air and naval power in the Asia-Pacific, including the possibility of placing additional strike aircraft on the island of Guam and even a second aircraft carrier in or near the region. "It is just premature to discuss numbers. Nothing has been decided on that (South Korea)," Defense Department spokesman Larry Di Rita said. "We have said we are working on restructuring our presence globally. But we always start with the premise that we will remain engaged in a way that reflects the current world."
    Just get out. They're strong enough to defend themselves.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 01:54 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [259 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  Read this yesterday,part of the plan under discusion is to relocate Soul and DMZ based troops south of Soul.One of the places is Camp Humphreys,I know this plac.It is where we sent or mobile generators for depot level maitenance.I was stationed at A 1/44 ADA 38th Brigade.Hawk missle site,now it is a Patriot Battery.
    Posted by: Raptor || 10/19/2003 10:01 Comments || Top||


    Africa: West
    DRC: Kabila dumps Rwandan militias
    The government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) has said it will no longer tolerate the presence on its national territory of elements of the Rwandan former army (ex-FAR) and Rwandan Hutu former militias (Interahamwe) who fled their country into neighbouring DRC after playing a major role in the 1994 Rwandan genocide.
    Not going to make it an even ten years, huh?
    The announcement was made on Thursday by Mulegwa Zihindula, spokesman of DRC President Joseph Kabila, during a news conference in the capital, Kinshasa. "The president of the republic can no longer accept that these people, who are not Congolese soldiers, remain in the Congo. They must be disarmed and returned to their country," he said.
    I guess making the decision is the first step. Now it's all over but the shooting...
    Mulegwa was responding to a question regarding recent allegations by Rwandan authorities that the DRC's transitional national government was continuing to support the ex-FAR and Interahamwe. "The ex-FAR and Interahamwe are operating freely, well armed and have never abandoned their intentions of destabilising Rwanda," Charles Muligande, the Rwandan foreign minister, told IRIN. "The situation needs urgent attention and the DRC government must show more commitment to resolving this problem. We are not happy at all. They are not doing anything, and these forces are moving towards our borders."
    On the other hand, it's not like the DRC government has been capable of dumping them...
    Mulegwa also said Kabila had expressed support for a regional conference on peace, democracy, development and security. Gen Mountaga Diallo, force commander of the UN peacekeeping mission in the DRC, known as MONUC, suggested during a news conference in Kinshasa on Wednesday that the voluntary nature of the programme for demobilisation, disarmament, repatriation, reinsertion and reintegration (DDRRR) of these foreign armed elements could come to an end. "The offer [of voluntary repatriation] clearly does not interest these Rwandan combatants, who continue to hide. They do not want to accept the hand that has been extended to them," he said. "But when the moment comes that this programme [DDRRR] is ended - because MONUC will not remain in the Congo forever - it will be up to the Congolese government to decide their fate."
    "Always assuming they're not too busy killing and eating each other, of course..."
    Since MONUC began the voluntary DDRRR programme, some two-and-a-half years ago, about 2,500 Rwandan ex-combatants and their families have been repatriated. MONUC estimates that about 14,000 Rwandan ex-combatants remain in the DRC. Mulegwa would not say if the DRC government would resort to force to remove Rwandan ex-combatants from its national territory.
    If they don't, they aren't going to leave...
    "We are certain that the unified and restructured Forces armees congolaises [national military] will soon be ready to play a role in the disarmament and repatriation of these Rwandan combatants," Mulegwa said.
    Posted by: Fred Pruitt || 10/19/2003 01:33 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [320 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  I would support US invovlement to teh extent of providing a massive air strike prior to a French lead ground assualt on these clowns. It's nice to be a team player when you can.
    Posted by: Super Hose || 10/19/2003 12:32 Comments || Top||

    #2  SH: team player? Sure, we can do the air strike, but the French will be too busy buttering their croissants to lead a ground assault.
    Posted by: Steve White || 10/19/2003 20:51 Comments || Top||


    Korea
    Bush: No N. Korea Nonaggression Treaty
    President Bush, gathering with Asian leaders, said Sunday the United States has no intention of invading Noth Korea but he ruled out signing a non-aggression treaty to persuade Pyongyang to abandon its nuclear weapons ambitions. Bush said he would talk with Asian leaders about how to defuse nuclear tensions on the Korean peninsula. ``We think there’s an opportunity to move the process forward and we’re going to discuss it with our partners,’’ Bush said. ``We will not have a treaty, if that’s what you’re asking. That’s off the table.’’
    Attaboy, Dubya.
    Bush said perhaps there were other ways, however, to convince North Korea that the United States would not attack.
    For instance, Kimmie could shut down the reactor, agree to inspections and take his foot off the neck of his people.
    Posted by: Steve White || 10/19/2003 1:25:14 AM || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [276 views] Top|| File under:

    #1  You get nothing and like it!
    Posted by: Rex Mundi || 10/19/2003 1:47 Comments || Top||

    #2  Bush said perhaps there were other ways, however, to convince North Korea that the United States would not attack.

    I wouldn't have said a thing about "not attacking". What I would have said was that when NK shelves their nuclear weapons program and dismantles their facilities in a verifiable manner, then we'll talk. Before that, they get nothing.
    Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/19/2003 17:35 Comments || Top||



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