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Saudi Terror Suspect Said Killed in Iraq
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Arabia
Commander of Yemen rebel forces surrenders
The field commander of Yemeni rebel forces led by Badreddine al-Houthy surrendered to the authorities Thursday as a result of tribal mediation. A military source said Abdullah Razami turned himself in after being escorted to Sanaa by tribal chiefs from the province of Saada, near the Yemeni-Saudi border, a hotbed for the rebels.
Seems like the closer you get to the Soddy border, the hotter the bed...
Mediation between the government and the rebels was conducted by several tribesmen, including Abdel Karim al-Houthy, brother of the rebel leader, who met President Ali Abdullah Saleh recently offering to stop attacks against government forces, drop arms, and respect the law and the constitution in return for general amnesty. An official source was quoted by the pro-government daily September 26 as saying Saleh ordered the interior ministry to release rebels who prove they have repented and relinquished arms and shown commitment to respect the law. The rebellion in Saada initially broke out in May 2004 and continued unabated until the killing of former rebel leader Hussein al-Houthy, the son of Badreddine.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 11:53 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  but Baddy al-hootie is still out there, right?
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/23/2005 13:31 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Terror cell plotted finance chaos
Counter terrorism agencies believe they have foiled an attack on the Melbourne Stock Exchange by a radical Islamic network linked to a covert group which has carried out surveillance on key Sydney sites.
The Daily Telegraph has been told Islamic extremists with cells in Melbourne and Sydney carried out reconnaissance missions on the Harbour Bridge and two Sydney oil refineries. While details of the planned Stock Exchange attack are being kept secret by intelligence officials, the revelation comes as ASIO officers - assisted by Victorian and Federal Police - raided at least eight properties in Victoria and NSW this week. They searched homes, seized documents and other material and questioned suspected cell members.
Members of Victoria's joint counter-terrorism group established links between the Melbourne and Sydney extremists about 18 months ago. They have had at least a dozen members under physical and electronic surveillance since then. Sources said a senior member of the cell is an associate of jailed Australian terrorist Saleh Jamal.
Jamal, 29, fled Australia after the 1998 drive-by shooting of Lakemba police station. He was convicted this year in a Lebanese military court of possessing weapons, forging an Australian passport, and planning acts that endangered security. An intelligence source told The Daily Telegraph: "The Australian group has talked about following Jamal's lead and doing the same thing here." Melbourne cell members were heard discussing where they might find an explosives expert.
Victoria Police started watching the Melbourne cell about 18 months ago after a tip-off that an Islamic extremist was recruiting followers at a mosque in inner suburban Melbourne. Victoria's joint counter terrorism group - consisting of Victoria Police, AFP and ASIO officers - then took over the operation and worked closely with its NSW counterpart.
Melbourne and Sydney cell members have been observed meeting regularly and attending training camps in Victoria and NSW, where some weapons training took place. The counter-terrorism group has been unable to charge cell members so far because there has been more talk than action.
"They are like mercenaries looking for a war," the intelligence source said. "There has been plenty of talk about their motivation to commit a terrorist act, but no specific intent."
That's the problem when you try and treat terrorism as a law enforcement problem.
Surveillance officers are understood to have paid close attention to a group using small boats to check out sensitive sites on Sydney Harbour but have found insufficient evidence to warrant charges.
ASIO and other law enforcement agencies have being using disruptive techniques in Sydney and Melbourne to try to warn off extremists. A decision was made that, after 18 months of surveillance without getting enough to lay charges, alerting the cells that authorities were on to them made sense.
Sigh

Prime Minister John Howard, Justice Minister Chris Ellison and AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty have been briefed about the raids. Mr Howard said ASIO and the AFP had his full support for the professional way the raids were carried out. "I think Australians must understand that the Government - through its agencies, ASIO and the AFP - is very vigilant about potential threats," he said. "We should understand they are there, but we should also not be unduly concerned. We have highly professional men and women who are looking after our interests and they deserve our continued 24-hour support."
Mr Keelty said it was too early to say what evidence would arise out of the searches. "Any charges will be determined after we look at the evidence as a result of the search warrants and also as a result of interviews that have been taking place," he said. "It's vitally important that we disrupt activity before it gets a chance to take hold."
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 11:05 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Lawyer's assessment concerns Hicks's dad
David Hicks's father Terry Hicks says he is distressed but not surprised by concerns raised about his son's health.
I guess we have a little bit in common, then. I'm neither surprised nor distressed.
David Hicks's Australian lawyer, David McLeod, is returning to Adelaide today after visiting the 29-year-old in the Guantanamo Bay military prison. Mr McLeod says he is appalled by his client's condition, saying Hicks has a sense of hopelessness. Terry Hicks says he also has grave fears for his son's health. "We've been trying to impress or get across to the Australian Government when I went across to see him in August last year that he wasn't well - they seem to think he was okay," he said. "About four or five weeks ago the Australian consulate went across to visit him and then they told us also that he was okay." Hicks has been held at Guantanamo Bay since early 2002 over allegations he fought with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Actually, he's being held after being caught fighting with the Taliban.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Be glad he is alive and STFU. By the very Genva Convention these pin heads constantly squeak about he could have been shot on capture. That he is still is all you can expect from us.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/23/2005 1:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Is he a cabbage yet? I remember pops was worried about that. I think he was the only one who was.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/23/2005 9:03 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't know that he was "well" in the first instance. Perhaps he'd never really be well and happy unless he was off in somebody else's country on jihad screwing with people. Sick puppy should have been put down on the spot years ago.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/23/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||


Hicks at breaking point, says lawyer
The new Australian civilian lawyer for Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks says he is shocked by his client's appearance and mental health, after their first meeting. David McLeod has just returned from his first visit to the US detention centre in Cuba. Military lawyer Major Michael Mori escorted Mr McLeod and another Australian lawyer, Michael Griffin, to Guantanamo Bay. Mr McLeod says his initial impression of David Hicks is that he is at physical and mental breaking point. "David's not well. He's got a bad back, his eyesight is failing," he said. Mr McLeod described the conditions at the prison. "If you imagine going down to the zoo and watching the gorillas in an enclosure, that's how they're being held," he said.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Cue the nanoviolins...
Posted by: PBMcL || 06/23/2005 0:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Gorillas are neat animals..how dare that ambulance chaser compare his shit head client to a gorilla!
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/23/2005 1:40 Comments || Top||

#3  "If you imagine going down to the zoo and watching the gorillas in an enclosure, that's how they're being held,"

That means he is being housed in good conditions. I am all for just putting a bullet behind his ear.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/23/2005 1:44 Comments || Top||

#4  Consider the source: It's his LAWYER.
Posted by: Ptah || 06/23/2005 5:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Screw him, sounds like its time for him to be put down.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 06/23/2005 8:04 Comments || Top||

#6  "If you imagine going down to the zoo and watching the gorillas in an enclosure, that's how they're being held," he said.

Zoos treat the animals very, very well. They give them specially tailored diets, customized medical care, and do their best to ensure the animal is healthy and happy enough to breed, despite being in captivity.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/23/2005 8:12 Comments || Top||

#7  I thought he was at the breaking point a long time ago (this isn't the first time we've seen this story). So, break already!
Posted by: Spot || 06/23/2005 8:16 Comments || Top||

#8  "David's not well. He's got a bad back, his eyesight is failing," he said.

"Yeah, and it's that Rumsfeld guy's fault, too! I personally saw him punch my client in the back and poke him in the eyes!" McLeod added. "Wait, I mean, it's all that evil planner's fault, ya know, Karl Rove!"
Posted by: BA || 06/23/2005 9:04 Comments || Top||

#9  shocked by his mental health? as opposed to his perfectly sounds state of mind that got him there in the first place
Posted by: Angerong Jeng5985 || 06/23/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#10  Beat me to it, AJ5985!

"Charles Manson loses mind in Prison"?

Still, may I offer "guerillas in the zoo"?
Posted by: JDB || 06/23/2005 10:24 Comments || Top||

#11  Beat me to it, AJ5985!

"Charles Manson loses mind in Prison"?

Still, may I offer "guerillas in the zoo"?
Posted by: JDB || 06/23/2005 10:24 Comments || Top||

#12  "If you imagine going down to the zoo and watching the gorillas in an enclosure, that's how they're being held,"

Now, if you read this, you would be thinking, Bronx Zoo or Chicago [we have a great one]Zoo, or even the famous St. Louis Zoo. But no, I am sad to report we are talking about a zoo in Cuba. In Cuba of all places.
Posted by: Dick Durbin || 06/23/2005 10:26 Comments || Top||

#13  Another snake trying to free another jackal. It didn't take long for this asshole to jump on the "Gitmo Abuse" fairy tale. Thanks Turban Durban!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 06/23/2005 10:29 Comments || Top||

#14  11/5/04:Australia’s Hicks ’losing sanity’

Come back in another 7 months, counselor. Everybody loves a good sob story.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/23/2005 12:04 Comments || Top||

#15  Another snake trying to free another jackal.

There is no need for such insulting metaphors. I'm not sure about snakes, but Jackals deserve an apology.
Posted by: Jackal || 06/23/2005 17:53 Comments || Top||

#16  :) I wuz waiting for that.

Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 19:12 Comments || Top||


Europe
Terror suspects held in London and Amsterdam
AMSTERDAM — A 22-year-old man has been arrested in Amsterdam as part of the investigation into a suspected Muslim terror group in the Netherlands. The suspect was armed with a loaded machine pistol, Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner told Parliament on Thursday.
Merely a holy relic, passed from father to son.
A 32-year-old Dutchman was arrested by police in London on Wednesday at the request of the Dutch authorities. He is wanted for questioning in relation to the investigation into the Hofstadgroep.
Several young Muslim men are in custody in the Netherlands on charges of belonging to the suspected terror group and planning attacks in the Netherlands. They were arrested last year after the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in Amsterdam on 2 November. Mohammed B. who has confessed to murdering Van Gogh, is due to appear in court in Amsterdam on 12 and 13 July. Prosecutors claim B. was a key member of the Hofstadgroep and that his house was used for the group's meetings.
The latest arrest in London came about after the suspect can to police attention in the Netherlands as part of an inquiry into human smuggling. While the Dutch authorities have declined to talk about the suspicions against him, Scotland Yard in London has revealed the man is suspected of recruiting people for terrorist activities. He is also suspected of involvement with firearms and falsification of documents.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 11:42 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Question for the experts: have we seen any JI (Jemmah Islamiyya) activity in the Netherlands? Indonesia used to be a Dutch colony, after all. Is there a substantial ex-colonial population in the Netherlands, in addition to the more recent Arab immigrants?
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 06/23/2005 15:07 Comments || Top||


Suicide'production line' stopped
A PRODUCTION line of young suicide bombers from across Europe is being funnelled through a highly professional terror infrastructure based in the Syrian capital Damascus to their deaths in Iraq. New details of the operation emerged with an armed raid on the Manchester safe house of a suicide bomber killed in an attack on coalition forces in Iraq. The early-morning raid by 30 police was the first confirmation that militants from Britain had been recruited for suicide missions in Iraq. It was the latest in a series of arrests across Europe in the past week that revealed a burgeoning network recruiting volunteers to fight in Iraq.

The largest amount of intelligence on the network has been gleaned by the US, which has warned Syria on numerous occasions to clamp down on the individuals, some of them known businessmen, who are suspected of being the "facilitators", providing all the necessary groundwork and preparation for the volunteer bombers. Senior US officials say there is a rapid turnover of bomber recruits and that everything is done to make sure that once they have put themselves forward for an Iraq mission they are not given enough time to change their minds. They said there were hundreds of Arabic websites concerned with jihad that called for volunteer fighters. Anyone reacting to one of the websites and showing interest in carrying out missions in Iraq was contacted and given instructions.

Network facilitators throughout Europe and the Arab world were in place to move the production line along. The officials said the volunteers were flown to Damascus and taken to a safe house where their personal documents were removed and replaced with false identity papers. "They don't spend much time in Damascus but as soon as things are ready they are escorted to the border with Iraq, and either through bribery or because of lax border arrangements, the recruits are taken into Iraq," the officials said.
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Posted by: Spavirt Pheng6042 || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Time to bring a world o' hurt down on Assad's entire jihadi industry.
Posted by: .com || 06/23/2005 0:53 Comments || Top||

#2  I suggest a demonstration of our bunker buster technology on the Syrian Army and Airforce Headquarters buildings.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/23/2005 1:25 Comments || Top||

#3  I'm waiting for Condi or GWB to announce... "the authorization of my theater and tactical commanders to engage in hot pursuit of any hostile forces which exit the territory of Iraq and to use all means necessary to destroy them or any other formations which seek to obstruct such a pursuit."
Posted by: Choth Slaick3903 || 06/23/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Farmer Joe was just tellin farmer Jeb from across the way the other day how the darn blasted guberment boys had cut and removed his waterpipe to the fields. Well, farmer Jeb said was a dawg gone shame and that just shows how ruthless the guberment boys in Washingtun are. Then old farmer Joe, just kicks a clod of dirt and looks around both ways real leery like and tells Jeb real secret-like, " They may be dancing over my cut water line, but I;m gonna run lines to everybody's fields and watch them boys sweat theselves to death!" Old farmer Jeb just says, "Aw shucks Joe! That ain't right! Two wrongs don't make a right!" Farmer Joe jus saiz, " Yeah Jeb, two wrongs don't make a right, but it sure will make me feel good!".
Posted by: Fun Dung Poo || 06/23/2005 13:54 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Indo Shia cleric refused entry to US
A Shia cleric returned to India on Wednesday after his visa was cancelled in the US last week. Maulana Mohammad Athar, president of the newly formed All India Shia Personal Law Board, told reporters in Lucknow that he was shocked to find his visa cancelled "abruptly" after landing at New York airport on Saturday. "I had a visa that was valid until 2012, yet the US immigration authorities denied me entry when I reached New York on June 18," Athar said. According to him, the US authorities refused to spell out any reasons for denying him entry. "They simply said the reasons would be communicated by the US embassy in India," Athar said.

"I have been visiting the US for quite a few years and it is an annual feature for me to address 'majlis' and give discourses on Islam to members of the Shia community in the US. This is the first time I was treated like this." Asked if he had contacted the US embassy in New Delhi on return, Athar said: "I propose to go there shortly and ask the basis of cancellation of my visa." Barely two months ago, Shia cleric Maulana Kalbe Sadiq, vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, was denied entry to the US. He was sent back after a 24-hour interrogation at Chicago airport reportedly under a "national security" clause of the US Immigration and Naturalisation Service Rules.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's a start. When all 'Slamic clerics are denied entry, it will be better. When those already here are deported, it will be much better.
Posted by: .com || 06/23/2005 1:08 Comments || Top||

#2  "I have been visiting the US for quite a few years and it is an annual feature for me to address..."

well how about a *new* annual feature Maulana Mohammad Athar, play pocket pool while you stay put at home.
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/23/2005 1:51 Comments || Top||

#3  i'll give INS the benefit of the doubt, but a general rule keeping SHIA clerics out of the country is NOT a good idea.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/23/2005 9:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Nowhere is it indicated that an actual policy exists of exclusively denying entry to Shiite clerics.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/23/2005 10:08 Comments || Top||

#5  A lot of the Shia mullahs in India are nutzy types with lots of ties to the Iranian mullahs.

The Ahmiyada clerics in India are, however, generally peaceful, not just for PR but for real.

It would be nice if Condi met with one of these even though a bunch of Sunni nutzoids would get torqued.
Posted by: mhw || 06/23/2005 10:11 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
White House Escalates Its Campaign to Isolate Syria
Nope. No spin or symps or terminal BDS here, lol!
Bush administration officials asserted today that an international consensus had emerged that Syria had been stoking the violence in Lebanon and Iraq and against Israelis, and they said they are now certain that Syrian agents have been operating in Lebanon.
Implied: It's really just the US.
The comments represented an escalation of the campaign by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to isolate Syria diplomatically as the administration has faced mounting violence against its interests throughout the Middle East. Ms. Rice has not said what other forms of pressure might be applied.
Calling a spade a spade is always characterized as an "escalation" - never just stating the truth, obvious or not.
A senior State Department official, briefing reporters under ground rules that he not be identified, said there was "widespread agreement" at a meeting of leading foreign ministers in London, and among the delegates at a conference on Iraq in Brussels on Wednesday, that Syria bore major responsibility for instability in the region.
Sounds like he just might keep his State job. A non-idiot, more please.
Ms. Rice, speaking at the conclusion of the foreign ministers' meeting, accused Syria of supporting the Iraq insurgency. "Let's not have more words about what they are prepared to do" she said, regarding Syrian promises to help Iraq with security on their mutual border. "Let's have action. If they're prepared to do it, they should just do it."
How, um, unnuanced. Cowgirl.
In a separate development, the foreign ministers also heard a briefing from James D. Wolfensohn, former president of the World Bank, on his three-year $3 billion proposal for the economic reconstruction of Palestinian areas, contingent on Israel's planned pullout from Gaza and the northern part of the West Bank. The $3 billion package, which would effectively double current levels of outside assistance for the Palestinians, is tied to a variety of projects, including building facilities to help move goods and people into and out of Palestinian areas.
$3B. Sigh. Mebbe about $1.95 will make it to Yagouv Paleo.
The renewed pressure on Syria comes at a time when an anti-Syrian majority in the Lebanese Parliament is set to form a government in Beirut and a series of assassinations have been carried out in Lebanon against anti-Syrian political and journalism figures.
Yeah, that's a fact.
In the past, administration officials have said that there was a Syrian "hit list" for assassination in Lebanon and they have recently suggested strongly that despite the withdrawal of 14,000 Syrian troops from Lebanon, it appeared that intelligence operatives remained behind.
Yeah, another fact - despite the sneer.
A Western diplomat close to the Syrian situation, but asking not to be identified because he did not want to be seen characterizing the positions of other countries, said the emerging consensus about Syria was propelled by European concerns about Lebanon and American concerns about Iraq. "There's a lot of international pressure on the Syrians to cease and desist, and that's just not the United States," a senior State Department official said. The official contended that there is intelligence information that makes it clear that Syrian intelligence operatives remained in Lebanon.
Classic F**kin' Duh. News only to The NYT, I guess.
That conclusion was not fully endorsed by the French foreign minister, Philippe Douste-Blazy. "The withdrawal of Syrian troops has been observed," he said, but he added that there was concern that Syrian intelligence agents may still be active in Lebanon. "The international community will not accept a situation where attacks on civilian individuals continue," he said.
Ah, saved by The French! Their specialty: massive nuance. An NYT requirement for credbility - equalled only by the requirement that any credible source must be non-American and, for a higher degree, anti-American.
The meeting in London was of foreign ministers of the Group of Eight, which will hold a summit meeting to be attended by President Bush in early July at Gleneagles, Scotland. The foreign envoys usually hold a preparatory meeting ahead of the summit meeting.
Wow, another obvious unspun fact. They're on a roll!
A final statement by Foreign Secretary Jack Straw of Britain said they also discussed Iran, the Balkans, the war and genocide in Sudan, the efforts to resume talks with North Korea over its nuclear program and the status of negotiations over China.
Okay... Um, 'scuse me? "Negotiations" over China? You mean lifting the arms embargo, I presume? Why not say so, NYT? It's the only fuzzy bit in the bunch. So much for the truth streak.
Another senior State Department official said that the Europeans reported that they would await the results of the presidential election runoff on Friday before assessing the prospects for a negotiated deal with the Tehran government and fashioning some "new ideas" to break the impasse on its nuclear program.
*snicker*
Implied: NYT legitimizing the Iranian Presidential Wankoff.
Lessee, choose between totally frickin' insane and congenitally and unbelievably insane. Yep, the Persians have a fine "democratic" system, there.

But the focus on Syria appeared to be the most intense part of the meetings here and in Brussels, suggesting that international pressure could increase, especially if the government that emerges in Beirut is decided anti-Syrian.
Oooh, "international pressure" - how skeery! I see stern letters and harsh statements.
Both Syria and Iran sent delegates to the Brussels conference, but Ms. Rice declined to meet with either of them.
Implied: Bad. Bad Condi. Bad Dog.
The Syrian foreign minister, Farouq al-Sharaa, told the Brussels conference that his government gave its "full support to the unity of Iraq and the achievement of its security and complete independence," and that Syria would "fully cooperate" with Iraq to enhance security on its border in a "practical and tangible way." He contended, though, that the United States had blocked Syria from obtaining "the equipment necessary to protect its long borders round the clock."
Lol! What a closer and what a surprise: It's our fault! NYT. Dizzy News.
Posted by: .com || 06/23/2005 15:31 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
BelmontClub: Who's on First?
Posted by: 3dc || 06/23/2005 17:10 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Interesting points - this "insurgent" force is trying to subjugate the majority of the country.

They have little territory under their control, no save havens, like other guerilla groups.

They have to control territory to win, not just kill people. Nathan Bedford Forrest formed the KKK in 1866 to continure the fight again the North, but we do not refer to the American Civil War as a "quagmire."

Read the whole thing. As one commentator says, "lucid".
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 17:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Gotta put a quote in here; this is too good:

. . . Seizing state power over a definite territory is the explicit objective of nearly every guerilla armed force in the world today: if they can achieve that, they win. If they cannot achieve that and have no realistic prospect of ever achieving that, they are defeated, however long they may continue to exist.

Guerilla leaders themselves know this and invariably attempt to create a state-in-waiting in the course of their campaign based on an armed force, a united front of allies willing to support the guerilla's political objectives and a hard leadership core in firm control of both. They also attempt to create micro-states in the course of insurgency usually styled "base areas" or "liberated zones". Political influence, combat capability and territorial control are the real metrics of a successful guerilla campaign. The argument that mere existence or avoidance of defeat constitutes victory is hogwash: . . . Even Al Qaeda, which some claim to be a creature of pure thought has sought to control territory in Afghanistan and spread its influence through Islamic "charities" while under the control of a central group of militants. It was, in other words, no different from any other classic guerilla organization.

While the Iraqi insurgents still retain the capability to kill significant numbers of people they are almost total losers by the traditional metric of guerilla warfare. First of all, by attacking civilians of every ethnic group and vowing to resubjugate the majority ethnic groups in the country they have at a stroke made creating a national united front against the United States a near impossibility. Second, there is a battle for supremacy among the insurgent leaders. . . .

In that context, the battlefield victories of the US Armed Forces and its coalition allies are not the empty triumphs the press sometimes represents them to be but expressions of the complete strategic bankruptcy of the insurgency. No national united front; no united hard core of leadership; no victorious armed force. This in addition to no territory and increasingly, no money and what is there left? Well there is the ability to kill civilians and to avoid being totally exterminated by the Coalition; but that is not insurgent victory nor even the prospect of victory.

Posted by: Mike || 06/23/2005 18:14 Comments || Top||

#3  at the risk of being called a Clinton, much depends on what you mean by the word 'win'

what if the Jihadis keep the suicide bombing up for 10 years and the Iraqis lose 10,000 people per year (including, say, 3000 police/guards/soldiers).

who has won in that case

maybe not them buy maybe not us either
Posted by: mhw || 06/23/2005 18:28 Comments || Top||

#4  We won in Iraq the way we won the war in Viet Nam:
When we left, aprox. 99% of the original Viet Cong had been killed. Hanoi had been forced to import village chiefs and tax collectors from the North.

We won the battle against the Viet Cong. We did not win the conventional battle against the NVA. We lacked the will to keep them from using the Ho Chi Minh Trail and we lacked the will to intervene when they sent dozens of divisions with thousands of cannon in the final offensive.

We are in the same position today. the LOCAL resistance is just about over, but we are doing nothing about all the foreign fighters pouring over the borders, and the Iraqi army is too weak to fight a conventional army.

If we leave before they're ready, we could have another Viet Nam here too.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 06/23/2005 18:32 Comments || Top||

#5  It's an Arab Guerilla, we win by default. Inshallah and PBU Mike Martin.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 19:16 Comments || Top||

#6  FA,

I agree, but you have left out the most important parts. The Democrats and MSM have turned anti-war.The one big difference? The American people see through their BS far better than in Viet Nam and remember the consequences of letting the Vietnamese down. It aint going to happen again.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 06/23/2005 19:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Another big difference is that this time, the troops are very, very aware of who's supporting them and who is not-- and why they are not.

I wonder how many of them will be permanently soured on the Democratic Party because of it?
Posted by: Dave D. || 06/23/2005 20:15 Comments || Top||

#8  ..but we are doing nothing about all the foreign fighters pouring over the borders,..

[...]

The American people see through their BS far better than in Viet Nam and remember the consequences of letting the Vietnamese down. It aint going to happen again.


In a Vietnam comparison then, the Prez needs to ratchet up the pressure on Iran and Syria to a point of pain in a short period of time with less restriction, in the vein of the Vietnam War's Linebacker campaigns, as opposed to the more gradual and hamstrung Rolling Thunder.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/23/2005 20:59 Comments || Top||

#9  I'd go for even briefer "Hammer of Thor" campaigns....about 5 hrs, seems 40X as long and takes out hot pursuit routes - to the Med
Posted by: Frank G || 06/23/2005 21:41 Comments || Top||

#10  To figure out the state of the insurgency, I use what I call the "L.A." standard. I contrast this with what some liberals use, which I call the "Canada" standard. I believe that when Iraq is close to Los Angeles as far as violence, employment and a few other standards, Iraq will have been pacified. However, liberals insist that Iraq must be a mirror image to Canada, or else all is lost, the insurgents have one, and Iraq is a quagmire.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/23/2005 22:42 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Perv Pulls In the Welcome Mat
Debka piece from June 11. This might be a contributing factor to the recent uptick in activity, besides the usual Fearsome Summer Offensive bluster. I was surprised by the large number of hadjis slaughtered caught out in the open yesterday. If Perv really is shoving them out, then we might see more large, untrained groups getting squashed. And today's reprt that the Taliban leadership is surrounded might be true, as well.

The biggest refugee repatriation operation in the world is underway. It is the cover for Pakistan's mass-export of al Qaeda operatives back to where they came from — Afghanistan.

The UN refugee agency reports that from 2002, nearly 2.4 million Afghan refugees returned home from Pakistan. This week, General Pervez Musharraf gave the remaining estimated 400,000 until June 30 to leave the country or face expulsion. snip

DEBKAfile's correspondent quotes diplomatic sources in the capital as referring to the belief of US intelligence agents that al-Qaeda and Taliban operatives who took shelter in Pakistan as refugees are now regrouping and moving back into Afghanistan. Their numbers are small but are expected to swell, posing fresh dangers to the Karzai government's stability in Kabul. American military strength in Afghanistan is not nearly large enough to deal with any major influx. Bah. Typical Debka doom and gloom. The remainder of the article is a strange hodgepodge of UNHCR stats and a list of difficulties for the Pak gov't.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 06/23/2005 14:42 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The UN refugee agency reports that from 2002, nearly 2.4 million Afghan refugees returned home from Pakistan.

Wow. Chimpy McHalliburton really screwed that country up, didn't he?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/23/2005 15:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Debka makes an all too common mistake. They do have a good grasp of how the Israelis see local issues, less of a grasp as to how the Arabs around them see things, even less capable at figuring out things in their region but far away; and they are totally in the dark about the US. In other words, the further away, the lower the quality of their news and opinion.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/23/2005 16:41 Comments || Top||

#3  In 2001 there were 6 million Afghan refugees. Since US and allies overthrew the Taliban, 4 million have returned. That was the largest refugge repatriation since WW2. And it has been voluntary. The remaining 2 million are about even split between Iran and Pakistan. Too bad the Afghans are too stupid to realize the Americans really came to rape and pillage them.

I look at this as an opportunity. Instead of plotting, equiping, finding shelter, and chosing the time to attack from Pakistan, those Taliban sympathizers wanting to fight can be hunted down 24/7 in Afghanistan.
Posted by: ed || 06/23/2005 16:58 Comments || Top||


TyRantapalooza Saturday July 9
Leave your Raisin Bran Crunch and Doritos at home and join Fred, Dan Darling, and myself at a local watering hole for a refreshing beverage or two, and some good old fashioned Rantburg fellowship.

Number 7 truncheons and shutter guns optional.

Saturday, July 9
3 pm
Washington DC
Venue: TBA. It is very Metro accessible!

We hope to see you there!
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/23/2005 12:27 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bummer. I'll be out of town. Have a great time.
Posted by: JAB || 06/23/2005 12:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Judy: The Skool Board wants you in Washington in July?
Ship: For sure.

Ima working on it.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 12:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Drat. We'll miss you!
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/23/2005 12:59 Comments || Top||

#4  80/20 chance I'll be there, and I'll drag my darling wife along. She has been wondering just what in the hell I spend all my time on ...
Posted by: Steve White || 06/23/2005 13:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry, but I am detained.
Posted by: Saddam Hussein || 06/23/2005 13:13 Comments || Top||

#6  Oboy if Dr. Steve attends, Number 7 truncheons are MANDATORY.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/23/2005 14:06 Comments || Top||

#7  I've flipped the odds considerably of my getting there. I no longer am hauling my future-inlaws along with me, so I'll be there later than July 6 after all.
Posted by: eLarson || 06/23/2005 15:52 Comments || Top||

#8  And if you can't get down to DC (or even if you can), consider coming out to Central Park in NYC this Sunday AM for a 5 mile run/walk with disabled Operation Iraqi Freedom vets!
Posted by: rkb || 06/23/2005 17:02 Comments || Top||

#9  Weird, how many RB folks are in the NCY area? It seems somehow under-represnted.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 17:21 Comments || Top||

#10  That said I want to peek at the Hudson crossings, mainly Dobbs ferry to see how George did it.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 17:23 Comments || Top||

#11  Anybody in the Colorado area to have a "co party"? We can meet at the Bucksnort Saloon, or The Little Bear over in Evergreen. Maybe we can do a stream line video of sorts that would be the ticket. I would love to meet some of you guys, another time....
Posted by: Jan || 06/23/2005 18:11 Comments || Top||

#12  (sigh)Oh well,maybe someday.
Posted by: raptor || 06/23/2005 20:30 Comments || Top||

#13  Dammit, I've got duty that night. :-(

Maybe one of these times....

Y'all have fun.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/23/2005 21:30 Comments || Top||

#14  Dang it Barbara, you're so close!

raptor, we'll miss you...

Ship, send me a email.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/23/2005 21:38 Comments || Top||

#15  How many you wackos gonna be dere?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 21:58 Comments || Top||

#16  paypalled towards a round - stuck here in crappy San Diego
Posted by: Frank G || 06/23/2005 22:31 Comments || Top||

#17  Five or fifty, Bobby...doesn't really matter. I hope you can come by. We'll toast your son and his unit.
Posted by: Seafarious || 06/23/2005 22:37 Comments || Top||

#18  Ain't it the truth, #14 Sea.

Of course I could insist it be planned around MY schedule because everything is all about ME, ME, ME.

But I'm not a moonbat. ;-p

Are we going to have a call-in in the afternoon to share a drink with those of us who can't come?
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/23/2005 23:14 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Taliban leadership may be surrounded
Afghan and U.S. forces surrounded an area in Afghanistan on Thursday where senior commanders of elusive Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar were thought to be hiding, Afghan security officials said.
I don't think I'd get my hopes up. Mullah Omar's pretty good at hopping his motorcycle and leaving his loyal minions in the lurch — if it's him they have surrounded in the first place.
The operation, backed by U.S. helicopter gunships, followed a big U.S.-backed offensive that killed more than 100 militants in the same region of the border between Kandahar, Uruzgan and Zabul provinces in the past three days, the officials said. Those holed up in the Dai Chopan area included Mullah Dadullah, a member of the Taliban's 10-man leadership council headed by Omar, and Mullah Brother, another commander thought close to the Taliban leader, the Defence Ministry said.
Oh. So it's not Mullah Omar. I don't know anything about the motorcycling skills of the other guys...
Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ishaq Paiman identified the others as Mullah Abdul Hakim, Mullah Abdul Hanan and Mullah Abdul Basir. Mullah is a title for a Muslim cleric used by many top Taliban members. General Mohammad Muslim Hamid, army commander for the southern region, said the area had been surrounded and the Taliban commanders were believed to be hiding there.
Yeah, but I still don't expect great results from surrounding them...
General Fateh Khan, another commander taking part in the operation, said it involved Afghan security forces, as well as U.S. helicopter gunships and U.S. ground troops. A U.S. military spokeswoman said she had no information about the operation. Fateh Khan said the Taliban commanders were with more than 150 of their fighters.
Is that before or after subtracting the 100 deaders?
Fateh Khan said troops were closing in from three sides to try to capture them, which would be a major coup for the government of President Hamid Karzai. Reza Khan, a man sentenced to death last year for killing four journalists in 2001, including two from Reuters, said at his trial Mullah Brother, one of the Taliban commanders believed hiding in the Dai Chopan area, had ordered the killings. The journalists were Australian television cameraman Harry Burton and Afghan photographer Azizullah Haidari of Reuters, Spaniard Julio Fuentes of El Mundo and Italian Maria Grazia Cutuli of Corriere della Sera. Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal said 103 guerrillas had been killed in three days of fighting and the offensive had been a major blow to the Taliban's bid to disrupt Sept. 18 parliamentary elections, the next big step in Afghanistan's difficult path to stability.
Being dead does tend to disrupt your plans, doesn't it?
He said most were killed by U.S. helicopter gunships as they fled Mian Nishin, a district the rebels seized last week, and included three commanders -- Mullah Jamil, Mullah Ghani and Mullah Easa. Sixteen fighters had been captured, he said. Mashal's figure would bring the guerrilla death toll reported by the government and U.S. forces in clashes in the southwest in the past week to more than 153. Hundreds more guerrillas have been reported killed in a surge of clashes this year.
Boy, they're gonna depopulate all of Pakistan in a mere 17,576 years at this rate...
Three Afghan troops were killed and six U.S. soldiers wounded, while two U.S. helicopters were damaged by ground fire. A U.S. air force pilot was killed when his U-2 spyplane crashed on Wednesday after a mission over Afghanistan. Taliban spokesman Abdul Latif Hakimi said on Wednesday seven guerrillas had been killed including Easa. He said no Taliban fighters had been captured.
This article starring:
ABDUL LATIF HAKIMITaliban
Azizullah Haidari
General Fateh Khan
General Mohammad Muslim Hamid, army commander for the southern region
Harry Burton
Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal
Julio Fuentes
Maria Grazia Cutuli
Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ishaq Paiman
MULLAH ABDUL BASIRTaliban
MULLAH ABDUL HAKIMTaliban
MULLAH ABDUL HANANTaliban
MULLAH BROTHERTaliban
MULLAH DADULLAHTaliban
MULLAH EASATaliban
MULLAH GHANITaliban
MULLAH JAMILTaliban
REZA KHANTaliban
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/23/2005 11:47 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  speakin as an expert ima say now is the time to hand over the attack to the local tribes to insure a classik surround and escape campaign
Posted by: half || 06/23/2005 11:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Soon to be included in Taliban's Greatest Escapes, Vol. III in stores this September. Order now!
Posted by: BH || 06/23/2005 12:07 Comments || Top||

#3  If the Taliban are holed up around Day Chopin they could be in a world of trouble. They can head down the Arghandab River and be slaughtered; They can try to make it to Qalat and disperse, or they can go to ground. The latter would seem their best but only a slim chance to survive.
Posted by: Tancred || 06/23/2005 12:37 Comments || Top||

#4  Well done, gentlemen. Good luck with the final execution. Please do it American-style, rather than Saudi-style, 'k?
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/23/2005 12:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Yo, Tancred - ya gotta map to go with that?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 12:50 Comments || Top||

#6  After Izzat Ibrahim, I think Mullah Dadullah is my favorite guy on our wanted list.
Posted by: Captain Pedantic || 06/23/2005 12:53 Comments || Top||

#7  I can't even say Mullah Dadullah without hurting myself
Posted by: Porky Pig || 06/23/2005 13:19 Comments || Top||

#8  Mullah Mullah Dadullah Bonana fanana fo Fullah, Fee fie mo Mullah, Dadullah!
Posted by: Shirley Ellis || 06/23/2005 13:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Mullah Mullah Dadullah Bonana fanna fo Fullah, Fee fie mo Mullah, Dadullah!
Posted by: Shirley Ellis || 06/23/2005 13:35 Comments || Top||

#10  Was that Brother Mullah? Aren't all mullahs from another mother brothers?
All those Abduls are sure hard to keep straight...
Posted by: NYer4wot || 06/23/2005 13:57 Comments || Top||

#11  Like I said in the other post on this story, think Newhart:

"Hi, Omar! I'm Abdul. This here's my brother Abdul and my other brother, Abdul."
Posted by: BA || 06/23/2005 15:12 Comments || Top||

#12  Mullah Easa's an alias for the infamous Mullah Jar-Jar.

"Meesa Easa!"
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 15:13 Comments || Top||

#13  Whenever I hear about Mullah Omar

http://www.shebwooley.com/ppe.htm



Mullah Omar
Posted by: BigEd || 06/23/2005 16:20 Comments || Top||

#14  :)
Thisn thread to off topik for me.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 17:26 Comments || Top||

#15  We need a Mullah version of Jar Jar's Walking Papers.
Posted by: too true || 06/23/2005 18:16 Comments || Top||

#16  I think ima offa the thredd in komments *But* ona the tredd for artickle!

watch US special forces in Afghanistan [filter as needed, MSM "reporter"]
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/23/2005 21:12 Comments || Top||

#17  whoops that aint it..i'll try again.
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/23/2005 21:13 Comments || Top||

#18  hopefully..

watch US special forces in Afghanistan[filter as needed, MSM "reporter"]
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/23/2005 21:26 Comments || Top||


Attack a blow to Taliban bid to disrupt poll
Afghan and US forces have killed more than 100 Taliban fighters in southern Afghanistan, in the biggest defeat for the militants in the region in two years. The offensive this week was a major blow to the guerillas' bid to disrupt parliament elections in September, Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal said.
Obviously, he hasn't been reading the New York Times
Most were killed by US helicopter gunships as they fled a district on the border of Kandahar, Zabul and Uruzgan provinces seized by the Taliban last week, he said. The dead included three senior Taliban commanders, while three Afghan police troops were also killed.The US military said six of its troops were slightly wounded and two helicopters damaged by ground fire, while a US Air Force pilot was killed when his U-2 spy plane crashed on Wednesday after a reconnaissance mission over Afghanistan. Mr Mashal said up to 150 guerillas escaped the three-day onslaught and crossed into Pakistan. He said the Taliban fighters included Urdu-speaking Pakistani militants, while police said at least two militants killed may have been from Chechnya.

The latest figures bring the guerilla death toll reported by the Government and US forces in clashes in the south-west in the past week to more than 153. Hundreds more have been reported killed in a surge of activity earlier this year before the September 18 elections. "This is a serious blow for the Taliban," Mr Mashal said. "This is the first time they had gathered in such large numbers in about a year."
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 10:50 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like the Apaches are doing great work!
Posted by: Dar || 06/23/2005 11:19 Comments || Top||

#2  cochise
It is our way
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 13:07 Comments || Top||

#3  U-2 spyplane? Didn't we retire all of those?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/23/2005 13:49 Comments || Top||

#4  U-2 spyplane? Didn't we retire all of those?

Nope the U-2 is still going strong. (not bad for a plane with 50 years service - the first flight was in 1955)

The SR-71 was retired.
Posted by: gp || 06/23/2005 15:40 Comments || Top||

#5  The SR-71 was retired.

The Air Force brought two of them back and refurbished them. They're still stationed at Beale AFB, California. I'm not sure what missions they're flying, if any.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 06/23/2005 19:39 Comments || Top||


Tales from the Crossfire Gazette
Mugger killed in 'crossfire'
A mugger was killed in 'crossfire' between police and his cohorts at Shaheednagar in Daudkandi upazila on Tuesday night.He was identified as Mohammad Anwar, 25, hailed from Dewra village in Bakerganj upazila of Barisal district.
Police said a gang of muggers hijacked a Comilla-bound rod-laden truck from Badda, Dhaka, when it reached Raypura upazila of Narsingdi district on Monday night. Police intercepted the truck at Eliotganj under the upazila and nabbed Anwar, while the other members of the gang managed to flee.
"Feet, don't fail us now!"
On the basis of Anwar's confessional statement,
"I'll lead you to those guys what left me behind. Just don't kill me, ok?"
..police took him to Shaheednagar area at about 11:15pm on Tuesday to arrest his accomplices.
When they (police) reached Shaheednagar, Anwar accomplices opened fire on the law enforcers, prompting them to retaliate.
"Anwar ratted us out! Open fire!"
Anwar was caught in the shootout as he tried to flee from police custody. He was taken to Gouripur Hospital where the doctors declared him dead.
"He's dead, Jim"
Five policemen were also injured in the encounter. They are SI Fazlul Karim, ASI Abul Hasanat, constables Shamsul Alam, Belayet and Selim. Police recovered one rifle and some bullets from the spot.

PCJSS-UPDF clash leaves 2 dead, 3 hurt in Rangamati
June 22: A fierce gunfight between the supporters of the Parbatya Chattagram Jano Sanghati Samity (PCJSS) and United Peoples Democratic Front (UPDF) left at least two persons killed and three others injured in Battoli area under Sadar upazila here on Wednesday. Of the deceased, one was identified as Abhilash Chakma (20). Detailed information about another deceased could not be known immediately.
Seriously injured Amalendu Chakma (16), a PCJSS supporter, was admitted to Rangamati General Hospital with severe injuries while the rest of the injured went into hiding to avoid arrest, sources concerned said.
According to the local sources, the incident ensued in the afternoon when the armed cadres of the pro-peace treaty PCJSS, numbering 15-20, swooped on the supporters of their rival UPDF triggering a one-hour gunfight.
"Yar, we be pro-peace treaty, and we'll kill anyone who disagrees with us!"

After the incident, additional members of the army were deployed in the area to avert further untoward situation. A tense situation was prevailing in the area.

RAB carries out raids with Arman, seizes AK-47
The Rapid Action Battalion on Wednesday raided different places along with Arman, one of the top 23 listed criminals in the city now on their custody, and recovered an AK-47 rifle. 'We along with Arman launched drives at Keraniganj, Savar and on the Mirpur Killing Ground early Wednesday and recovered an AK-47 assault rifle,' a high official of RAB-4 told New Age without mentioning the place from where the rifle was recovered.
"I can say no more."
The raids were conducted on the third day of Arman's third spell of seven-day remand. The official said they, as per Arman's statement during his first round of remand, had raided a number of his hideouts and of his rivals, but found no criminal or firearms.
Poor Arman, leading the cops around wondering if he's gonna get caught in the next crossfire. Now where did I put that nano-violin?

Meanwhile, George Mian, a suspect in the August 21 grenade attack on an Awami League rally in Dhaka, will be placed before the court on Friday for fresh remand, said a top official of the Criminal Investigation Department of police. George's seven-day second round of remand will expire Thursday. 'We will take him on remand until he gives us adequate information about the August 21 attack,' he said and added, 'We will also place him as a witness as he was injured in the attack'.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 09:24 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  11:15 PM? That's an early night for the boys.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/23/2005 11:51 Comments || Top||

#2  Yep, fewer hits from RB and rewrite man changes his style.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 11:58 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
JSTARS and Tracking Terrorists in Iraq
June 23, 2005: U.S. Air Force JSTARS radar aircraft are being used to track down terrorist bombers in Iraq. The U.S. Department of Defense demanded that all the services get to work on dealing with terrorist bombers in Iraq, and the air force responded by suggesting that the JSTARS be used to track down the bases of terrorist bombers. This is done by using the JSTARS radar to track where the attackers go after an attack. Many of the attacks take place in sparely populated places, and at night. JSTARS can track vehicles on the ground over a wide area. For example, a single JSTARS can cover all of central Iraq, although its ground radar can only track a smaller area. The JSTARS radar has two modes; wide area (showing a 25 by 20 kilometer area) and detailed (4,000 by 5,000 meters). The radar can see out to several hundred kilometers and each screen full of information could be saved and brought back later to compare to another view (to see what has moved). In this manner, operators could track movement of ground units over a wide area. Operators could also use the detail mode to pick out specific details of what's going on down there, like tracking the movement of vehicles fleeing the scene of an ambush. JSTARS is real good at picking up trucks moving along highways on flat terrain. JSTARS can stay up there for over 12 hours at a time, and two or more JSTARS can operate in shifts to provide 24/7 coverage. There has always been at least one JSTARS operating in Iraq.

In its new role, JSTARS will operate as part of an intelligence team tracking down the hideouts of terrorist bombers. Israeli advisors have pointed out that if you can get to the planners of these attacks, and the technicians that build the bombs, you can greatly reduce the number of bomb attacks. So now, when a bomb goes off, the unit that is hit, as is customary, reports the attack. Quick reaction forces rush to the scene. But the terrorists know this, and usually only fire on the convoy for a short while before getting into their vehicles and speeding off. Many are caught by helicopters that either escort convoys, or patrol the area waiting for an attack to happen. U.S. helicopter gunships have excellent night vision equipment, and if they can get to the scene quickly enough, they can see the attackers, and kill them. Once the gunships have spotted you, you can run, but you cannot get away. Even if the attackers have fled before the gunships show up, they can start sweeping the area for vehicles moving away, and call in ground troops or, increasingly, Iraqi police, who can stop and search vehicles moving away in the area. If it's a particularly isolated area, there won't be many vehicles moving around.

But with a JSTARS up there, the ground radar is monitoring the area within minutes, if not already. This makes it possible for JSTARS to operate in cooperation with other units to track the terrorists to their bases. The intelligence troops has compiled a lot of data on how the terrorists, and especially the bombers, operate. Using that information in conjunction with JSTARS, and other airborne sensors (gunships, UAVs), it's believed that many of the bombing organizations can be taken out. The intel people already know that there are only a few bomber organizations operating in Iraq. That much can be deduced by the vast amount of detail compiled by the CSI (Crime Scene Investigation) teams that scrutinize each attack. Using JSTARS, and tighter integration of all the intel, reconnaissance and combat units, may be what it takes to track down the bomber workshops, and destroy the organizations. It worked for the Israelis, who basically shut down the terrorist bombing campaign of the Palestinian terrorists.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 09:07 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Looking forward to the video showing the movements across the Syrian-Iraq border and the trace back to staging areas in Syria. Should be enough for the briefing when Condi or GWB announce ... "the authorization of tactical and operational commanders to engage in hot pursuit of enemy forces in contact and to engage and if necessary destroy any military formations which obstruct such pursuits."
Posted by: Choth Slaick3903 || 06/23/2005 10:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Boy, does this ignore the obvious. For two decades now, we have had the capability to monitor literally every vehicle in a major metropolitan area, simultaneously. So if you record this data, you discover something far more useful then where they go after the bombing. You discover where they *came from*.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/23/2005 11:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like they set up a really powerful committee.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 13:14 Comments || Top||

#4  OK if you have a SINGLE vehicle fleeing a ALREADY exploded IED then JSTARS becomes useful. But what if there are 100s or 1000s of vehicles on a major highway? JSTARS becomes a very expensive traffic monitoring device. FYI AWACS already provides tracking on ground targets. So we have a duplicity of effort for maybe marginal gain of information. No I was never a fan of big expensive and mostly useless weapons systems.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 06/23/2005 14:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Moose, everytime I read one of these reports, I ask myself how are they trying to misdirect? Let's say for the sake of argument that you could identify a vehicle's thermal signature moreorless. Would that make tracing the vehicle back to its point of origin easier?
Posted by: phil_b || 06/23/2005 17:53 Comments || Top||

#6  All a JSTARS would have to do is assign a tracking number to every vehicle it's looking at and then, well, track them. If vehicle number 3,975 (or whatever) speeds off after a bombing then you track that one very closely.
Posted by: Parabellum || 06/23/2005 18:53 Comments || Top||


Saudi Terror Suspect Said Killed in Iraq
One of Saudi Arabia's most-wanted suspected terrorists was killed by an airstrike during fighting with U.S. and Iraqi forces in northwest Iraq, the leader of the al-Qaida in Iraq group said in a Web statement posted Thursday. Abdullah Mohammed Rashid al-Roshoud had been No. 24 on a list of the 26 most-wanted terrorist leaders put out by Saudi Arabia two years ago and was one of only three militants on the list still at large. The Web posting, the authenticity of which could not be confirmed, said he slipped into Iraq in April.

Al-Roshoud was killed in fighting near the town of Qaim, on the border with Syria, said the statement, signed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the most notorious terror leader in Iraq. U.S. forces have launched a series of offensives near Qaim in past weeks against militants slipping into Iraq. The Saudi militant "was participating in the battles of Qaim ... when the Crusader forces tried to descend on the area," the site said. Al-Roshoud and a group of mujahedeen fought back "and killed some of the Crusaders until the enemies of God had to withdraw. When the Crusaders could not enter the area, the only thing they could do was bombard the mujahedeen with warplanes. Our sheik (al-Roshoud) got what he wished" - martyrdom.
Glad we could help
"Yes, yes! Send me to a painful doom! Make me a meat puzzle so that I might spend eternity cavorting with scantily clad flat-chested 12-year-olds!"
"O, sheikh! Why do you have to kick the bucket? There are some comely flat-chested 12-year-olds right over there, your adoring wives, the daughters of your own brother by your half-sister!"
"Not good enough!"
The al-Qaida in Iraq statement was posted on an Islamic militant Web forum by Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, the group's media chief, who usually posts messages from the Jordanian-born al-Zarqawi. Al-Roshoud was one of the main theologians for al-Qaida's network in Saudi Arabia, calling for a holy war against the Saudi royal family and Western interests in the Persian Gulf. He was known as the network's mufti, the authority that issues religious opinions including justifications for jihad. He studied at the Imam University in Riyadh, one of the strongholds of the Saudi radicals. "If (the report of his death) is true, then this is another big fish that has disappeared," Mishari al-Dhaidi, a Saudi expert on Islamic radical groups, told The Associated Press. Al-Roshoud was reported killed in July 2004 clashes in Saudi Arabia, but Saudi officials quickly denied the report and said he was still at large.
"Nope. Sorry. Wasn't him. Just some guy named Herb..."
Saudi Arabia has been cracking down on al-Qaida-linked militants on its soil ever since a series of deadly attacks on foreigners in the kingdom in early 2003. Twenty-three of the 26 militant leader on its initial most-wanted list have been confirmed killed or captured.
And nobody's been added to the list, despite the fact that 23 lower-level hard boyz have been promoted to fill the vacant slots, or craters, as it were...
Saudi officials acknowledge others have taken their place in the cells' ranks, but they insist they have broken the backs of the cells.
"Yeah. These new guyz, they ain't nuttin' to worry about..."
At the same time, Saudi fundamentalists have played a major role in the front lines of the insurgency in Iraq, slipping into the country to join al-Zarqawi's and other groups fighting U.S. troops and their allies. Middle East terrorism experts have estimated there are some 2,500 Saudis fighting in Iraq. Lists of "martyrs" posted on militant Web sites show the largest number come from Saudi Arabia, although the lists' authenticity can't be confirmed.
This article starring:
ABDULLAH MOHAMED RASHID AL ROSHUDal-Qaeda in Iraq
ABU MAISARA AL IRAQIal-Qaeda in Iraq
Mishari al-Dhaidi
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 08:48 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "When the Crusaders could not enter the area, the only thing they could do was bombard the mujahedeen with warplanes,"

I love the attitude they take towards airstrikes: "Pah! That's all they could do! Just rain 500 lb bombs down on us, hitting within feet of where our murderers were standing! Nothing like our brave mujahideen, who just today killed two dozen women and children at a market!"
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/23/2005 9:25 Comments || Top||

#2  The Saudi militant "was participating in the battles of Qaim ... when the Crusader forces tried to descend on the area," the site said. Al-Roshoud and a group of mujahedeen fought back "and killed some of the Crusaders until the enemies of God had to withdraw." "When the Crusaders could not enter the area, the only thing they could do was bombard the mujahedeen with warplanes," it said.

Allah, the all powerful ruler of the universe, having proven singularly incapable of protecting his holy and loyal mujahadeen from falling infidel JDAMs, the shieik realized his dream of being shredded by shrapnel and squished by overpressure.
Posted by: Mike || 06/23/2005 10:27 Comments || Top||

#3  From DEBKA: Zarqawi says top Saudi terrorist killed in Iraq. He is named on an Islamic Web site as Abdullah al-Rashoud, whom the Iraqi al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi says died in battle with US forces at al Qaim near the Syrian border. This claim could not be authenticated.
On April 8, DEBKA-Net-Weekly 201 reported al-Rashoud had escaped a major Saudi offensive that wiped out the cell’s leadership at al-Rass, 190 miles north of Riyadh, on April 3. Senior ideologue of the cell, al Rashoud was one of two or three leaders who got away. At least 14 Saudi cell members and many security personnel were killed in the three-day battle in which the Saudi cell’s command post was destroyed. Zarqawi now claims al-Rashoud reached Iraq six weeks ago from Saudi Arabia where he was a hunted man.

DEBKAfile’s counter-terror experts add: This is the first such report ever issued personally by Zarqawi. Al-Rashid’s death in al Qaim indicates he escaped from Saudi Arabia to Syria and was then smuggled into Iraq. Zarqawi’s statement is also the first disclosure of an interconnection between the Iraqi and Saudi al Qaeda organizations. Until now, intelligence bodies in Iraq assumed that the two operations were quite separate.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 11:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Meat Puzzle?
Damn, that's mighty Doug.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/23/2005 17:37 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
'Over 100' Taleban rebels killed
US and Afghan officials say that more than 100 Taleban fighters have been killed in southern Afghanistan in one of the biggest offensives in two years. Hundreds of Afghan troops backed by US-led coalition forces have taken part in the clashes in Zabul province that started on Tuesday. The Taleban deny having lost any of their men. The government says a number of senior Taleban fighters have been surrounded, Reuters news agency reports.
On Tuesday, the pilot of a US spy plane was killed when his aircraft crashed while returning to its base in the United Arab Emirates from Afghanistan. It is not clear whether the crash was connected to the ongoing offensive.
Most of the fighting has taken place in the Daychopan district of Zabul province, near the border with Kandahar. "We have 103 bodies," Afghan interior ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal is quoted as saying by Reuters. "All of them were armed. Most were killed by coalition helicopter gunships," he said. A British military spokeswoman, Lt Gemma Fullman, said British planes provided close air support but did not drop any munitions, the AFP news agency reports. Afghan police commander Gen Salim Khan said eight Afghan security force members had died. The US military said five US soldiers had been wounded.
Taleban spokesman, Latifullah Hakimi, denied any of the group's fighters had been killed or captured.
"No, no, we're ok. Must be somebody else."
An Afghan defence ministry spokesman said on Thursday that Afghan forces had some 150 Taleban fighters surrounded, Reuters says. They include a senior Taleban member, Mullah Dadullah.
I've lost count of the number of Mullah Dad's we've killed or captured.
The fighting began after Afghan and coalition forces were attacked by rebels with small arms and rocket-propelled grenades on Tuesday, according to a US military statement. The forces were patrolling an area south-west of Daychopan near the border with Kandahar province when the attack took place.
Tuesday's incident follows a wave of violence earlier this week in which at least 38 rebels were killed in clashes with US-led coalition and Afghan forces in southern Afghanistan. The BBC's Andrew North in Kabul says doubt has been cast on some of the US military's previous claims about insurgent casualty numbers. But our correspondent says barely a day goes by now without serious violence across south and east Afghanistan, raising fears for security in September's planned parliamentary elections.
The US has about 18,000 troops in Afghanistan tackling remnants of the Taleban that was ousted in late 2001.
Not mentioning the wave of Arab fighters and Paks imported since.
Nearly 400 people have been killed in Taleban-linked violence this year, following a lull over winter - most of them suspected militants but also about 30 US troops.

Additional: Interior Ministry spokesman Lutfullah Mashal said captured guerrillas had revealed that Mullah Dadullah and Mullah Brother, both members of the Taliban leadership council led by Omar, had been in the area of the fighting at least until Tuesday. "We have concrete reports that they were there until at least the day before yesterday," he said. "They may still be there, they could have escaped, or they could have been killed." Mashal said the men were thought to be key links between the Taliban and Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network as well as with Pakistani militant groups and may even have had direct contacts with bin Laden and his number two Ayman al-Zawahri.

Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ishaq Paiman said earlier the two were hiding in the Dai Chopan area with three other commanders he named as Mullah Abdul Hakim, Mullah Abdul Hanan and Mullah Abdul Basir. Mullah is a title for a Muslim cleric used by many top Taliban members.
General Fateh Khan, a commander taking part in the operation, said they holed up with more than 150 guerrillas. He said Afghan and U.S. troops backed by U.S. helicopter gunships were closing in from three sides to try to capture them, which would be a major coup for the United States and the government of President Hamid Karzai, who came to power after U.S.-led forces overthrew the Taliban in late 2001.
Posted by: Steve || 06/23/2005 08:35 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  StrategyPage says another 30 surrendered so far.
Posted by: ed || 06/23/2005 9:26 Comments || Top||

#2  AP, I think, said that the presence of Dadullah and Brother indicated Mullah Omar might be there. Fingers crossed.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/23/2005 9:48 Comments || Top||

#3  I just love it when the baddie body count just keeps on rising...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 06/23/2005 10:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Though April showers may come your way
They bring the flowers that bloom in May
So if it's raining, have no regrets
Because it isn't raining rain, you know
It's raining violence.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/23/2005 11:08 Comments || Top||

#5  the baddie body count just keeps on rising...

Maybe we could make a pyramid of skulls on the White House lawn as a visible reminder of our progress. Let the media try and ignore that!

When asked today about the growing Pyramid of Skulls on the White House lawn, Darth Rumsfeld grinned horribly and replied "BWAHAHAHAHA!".
Posted by: SteveS || 06/23/2005 11:23 Comments || Top||

#6  I read the other day that there's a contigent from Mongolia in Bagdad. The last time they were there (1258?) they left a mountain of 250,000 skulls. Here's hoping....
Posted by: Anginens Glomotle2949 || 06/23/2005 13:38 Comments || Top||

#7  Defense Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ishaq Paiman said earlier the two were hiding in the Dai Chopan area with three other commanders he named as Mullah Abdul Hakim, Mullah Abdul Hanan and Mullah Abdul Basir. Mullah is a title for a Muslim cleric used by many top Taliban members.

Why is it I'm thinking of Newhart? "Hi, Osama! I'm Abdul. This here's my brother Abdul and this here's my other brother, Abdul!"
Posted by: BA || 06/23/2005 14:49 Comments || Top||

#8  Steve-
Just ONCE, wouldn't you like to see Rumsfeld make a squeezing motion with his fingers and rumble, "I find your lack of faith...disturbing..."...?

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/23/2005 20:26 Comments || Top||

#9  lol!
Posted by: Frank G || 06/23/2005 22:41 Comments || Top||

#10  Over 100, eh?

It's a start....
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/23/2005 23:16 Comments || Top||


Nawaz Sharif met Osama three times: former ISI official
Khalid Khawaja, a former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) official who was dismissed from the service by the late Gen Ziaul Haq because of his outspoken nature, has said former prime minister Nawaz Sharif met Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden thrice in Saudi Arabia. In an interview to Asia Times Online on Wednesday, he said, "After Gen Zia's death in a plane crash (1988), elections were announced and there was a possibility that the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) led by Benazir Bhutto would win, which would be a great setback for the cause of the Afghan jihad against the USSR. The situation was discussed and all the mujahideen thought that they should play a role in blocking the PPP from winning the elections. I joined my former DG Hamid Gul and played a role in forming the then Islamic Democratic Alliance consisting of the Pakistan Muslim League and the Jamaat-e-Islami. The PPP won the elections by a thin margin and faced a strong opposition."

Asian Times Online quoted Khalid as saying that Osama provided him with funds, which he handed over to Nawaz Sharif, then the chief minister of Punjab (and later premier), to dislodge Benazir Bhutto. "Nawaz Sharif insisted that I arrange a direct meeting with the Osama, which I did in Saudi Arabia. Nawaz met thrice with Osama in Saudi Arabia. The most historic was the meeting in the Green Palace Hotel in Medina between Nawaz Sharif, Osama and myself. Osama asked Nawaz to devote himself to "jihad in Kashmir". Nawaz immediately said, 'I love jihad.' Osama smiled, and then stood up from his chair and went to a nearby pillar and said, 'Yes, you may love jihad, but your love for jihad is this much.' He then pointed to a small portion of the pillar. 'Your love for children is this much,' he said, pointing to a larger portion of the pillar. 'And your love for your parents is this much,' he continued, pointing towards the largest portion. 'I agree that you love jihad, but this love is the smallest in proportion to your other affections in life.'" It quoted Khalid as saying these sorts of arguments were beyond Nawaz Sharif's comprehension and he kept asking him 'agreed or not'?
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/23/2005 01:02 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  THIS ONE IS A KEEPER!
Posted by: 3dc || 06/23/2005 2:27 Comments || Top||

#2  It is interesting, but notice that these meetings took place in the early 90's; before Bin Ladin declared War on America or was linked to any terrorist acts.

At this point he was just the heroic Arab Afghan who fought against the Soviets. Nawaz Sharif is a politician who is corrupt even by Pakistani standards, and imagining him telling Osama ‘I love jihad’ is funny if you know a bit about him.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/23/2005 3:34 Comments || Top||


Jirga turns violent, 3 killed
WANA: Three people were killed in Wana Bazaar on Wednesday when rival groups shot at each other during a jirga (tribal council) that had been called to discuss the increasing frequency of robberies and kidnappings in South Waziristan Agency. Witnesses told Daily Times that the Ahmedzai Wazir jirga turned into a battlefield when one group accused another of being involved in crime. "Tribesman Gado held Bad Khan responsible for the robberies, which angered Bad Khan who shot and killed Gado," witnesses added. In retaliation, Gado's supporters shot and killed Bad Khan while Ismail Khan was caught in the crossfire and died in hospital, they said. The jirga dispersed immediately and it was not clear whether they would assemble again to discuss measures against the growing lawlessness.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like they might have made a start.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/23/2005 0:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Bad Khan ? Can you make these things up ?
Posted by: buwaya || 06/23/2005 0:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Asshats attrit each other..thats bad Khanma for themuns and good Khamna for usens.
Posted by: Spineper Guru 543210 || 06/23/2005 1:35 Comments || Top||

#4  My thoughts exactly, buwaya. It's like a rejected Star Wars screenplay.

"The jirga dispersed immediately and it was not clear whether they would assemble again to discuss measures against the growing lawlessness."

I laughed pretty hard at that line. What made it so funny is that I'm sure the author was serious.
Posted by: beer_me || 06/23/2005 2:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Two for one. Bad karma. Looks like Gado's people will have to give somebody up.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/23/2005 9:02 Comments || Top||

#6  KHAAAN!!!
Posted by: gromky || 06/23/2005 10:51 Comments || Top||

#7  Meeting adjorned! Let us pray...
Posted by: Fun Dung Poo || 06/23/2005 11:18 Comments || Top||

#8  now ima lay me down to sleep,
i pray me lord my gun to keep
ifn i shouloda die before i rise
I WOULD LIKEA MEKKA TO BE A CRATER
amen
And Gawd bless Fred and Frank and TW and AP
an TU and Muck and all creatures big little and smaller
Posted by: half || 06/23/2005 12:05 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Chemical Expert Testifies in Jordan Trial
Islamic militants planned to detonate an explosion that would have sent a cloud of toxic chemicals across Jordan, causing death, blindness and sickness, a chemical expert testified in a military court Wednesday. Col. Najeh al-Azam was giving evidence in the trial of 13 men who are alleged to have planned what would have been the world's first chemical attack by the al-Qaida terror group. The accused include al-Qaida's leader in Iraq, Abu-Musab Al-Zarqawi, and three other fugitives who are being tried in absentia.

Jordanian security services foiled the plot in April last year. Jordanian officials say that had it been carried out, thousands of people would have died. Azam, a chemical expert at Jordan's General Intelligence Department, testified that a large quantity of plastic containers seized from the defendants contained hydrogen peroxide. He said the accused planned to add "ground black cumin" to the concentrated solution, which would have made "an explosive substance stronger than TNT."

"They sought to disperse poisonous gases which would have caused death, illnesses and blindness," Azam testified. He said his information was based on the steps to manufacture the chemical explosion as given in the confession of prime defendant Azmi al-Jayousi. Al-Jayousi has told the court his confession was extracted under duress. Al-Azam said the defendants also had oxygen, sulfuric acid and nitroglycerin. A consultant on weapons of mass destruction, Andy Oppenheimer of Jane's Information Group, told The Associated Press that some of the substances identified in Wednesday's hearing could be used in chemical weapons and were "extremely volatile."

The indictment says al-Zarqawi intended that suicide bombers would detonate vehicles filled with the chemicals in an attack on the Amman headquarters of the intelligence department. Jordanian security officials have said other potential targets were the prime minister's office and the U.S. Embassy in Jordan. But the indictment does not mention these sites. In his televised confession, Al-Jayousi said his group had plotted the chemical attack under instruction from al-Zarqawi. In an audiotape posted on the Internet in May 2004, a man who identified himself as al-Zarqawi acknowledged his group had been plotting an attack in Jordan but denied it involved chemicals. If convicted, 12 of the defendants — including al-Zarqawi — could be sentenced to death. The 13th man is charged with the lesser crime of assisting two fugitives.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Al-Jayousi has told the court his confession was extracted under duress."

If only his teeth, fingernails, testicles, eyes, eardrums, and entrails had been extracted, as well.
Posted by: .com || 06/23/2005 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Azam, a chemical expert at Jordan's General Intelligence Department, testified that a large quantity of plastic containers seized from the defendants contained hydrogen peroxide. He said the accused planned to add "ground black cumin" to the concentrated solution, which would have made "an explosive substance stronger than TNT."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'explosive substance' that's produced when you add a powder to hydrogen peroxide is oxygen.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/23/2005 8:14 Comments || Top||

#3  True,but only to a point,RC.Hyd-peroxide is some really nasty stuff.It has,in itself,everything needed for fire and/or explosion.Adding anything with carbon in it just adds more fuel.
Posted by: raptor || 06/23/2005 10:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Oh, I wasn't doubting it was intended to be used in a bomb. I was just musing about the particular mechanism.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/23/2005 14:06 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Militants Release Filipino Accountant After 7 Months in Captivity
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  their books must have been a real mess.
Posted by: 2b || 06/23/2005 6:40 Comments || Top||

#2  for every credit there is a debit
Posted by: Glearong Shumble7895 || 06/23/2005 6:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Sounds like Arroyo helped them 'balance the books' with a few mil.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 06/23/2005 8:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Indeed, but offsets of debits or credits is dooable. I'm cheap these days.
Posted by: Arthur Anderson || 06/23/2005 13:16 Comments || Top||


Riyadh Pledges $1bn for Iraq Reconstruction
Saudi Arabia yesterday emphasized its vision of an independent and unified Iraq and said it would extend $1 billion in the form of soft loans for the reconstruction of the war-torn country. Addressing an international conference here, attended by over 80 governments and international institutions, Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said Riyadh was also ready to write off part of Iraq's debt burden. The conference backed the efforts of Baghdad's transitional government to fight terrorism, while the United States and the European Union warned Syria to stop insurgents using its territory for attacks in Iraq.

The daylong meeting also resulted in international promises to help reduce Iraq's foreign debt, speed up aid deliveries and contribute to efforts to draft a new constitution. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Syria to stop insurgents from crossing its border with Iraq. "This is a real problem for the Iraqi people ... something needs to be done," she said. "Terrorism can and will be defeated in Iraq... Our own security is dependent on defeat of terror in this great region," Rice told reporters. In his keynote address, Prince Saud stressed the importance of bringing political stability to Iraq, saying it was a "precondition for the success of this conference." He promised that Saudi Arabia would play the role of a "principal partner" in the Iraqi reconstruction process. "We have already given $300 million in humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people," the Saudi Press Agency quoted him as telling the conference.
Posted by: Fred || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Take it out of the Wahhabi account, please.

The $300M the Prince thingy claims to have already given could hardly be called "humanitarian aid"... The Sunni terrs and their toolfools in Iraq don't have unlimited resources - this is where they're getting their funding, materiel, and cannon fodder.

We should ask them to account for the claimed $300M - to the penny. The scramble would be kinda fun to watch.
Posted by: .com || 06/23/2005 1:00 Comments || Top||

#2  SO now Zark is gonna declare war on the Prince, too? Maybe he send some boomers back home...
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 9:47 Comments || Top||

#3  [In the 1871 Treaty of Washington, the United States and Britain decided to arbitrate the "Alabama" claims dispute dating from the Civil War. The "Alabama" was a British-built Confederate naval cruiser that sank tons of Union shipping. The British agreed to pay reparations.]

I look forward to the Kingdom of Saud paying much much more to the citizens and country of Iraq for their part in the terror campaign going on now.
Posted by: Choth Slaick3903 || 06/23/2005 9:52 Comments || Top||

#4  "Accountability" has no equivalent in the Saudi Arabic language.
Posted by: Tkat || 06/23/2005 10:50 Comments || Top||

#5  Reconstruction of what? Probably more wahabbi madrassahs!
Posted by: BA || 06/23/2005 14:34 Comments || Top||

#6  A pledge from the oil ticks is worth less than used toilet paper.

Lessee some CASH on the barrelhead. (And I don't mean all the money they're sending the terrorists.)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/23/2005 23:18 Comments || Top||

#7  hmmm - I remember building a Revell™ CSS Alabama single engine boiler model in my youts.....cool, thx for the memory spark!
Posted by: Frank G || 06/23/2005 23:25 Comments || Top||


Hjertstroem & Wood 'watched other captives die'
Posted by: Spavirt Pheng6042 || 06/23/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...said Mr Hjertstroem, also 63, who had lived in Iraq for 14 years but has now returned to Sweden."

Hmm. 1991. What an interesting time for an oil broker to choose to live in Iraq. Reminds me alot of Van Anraat. (link)

"Swedish officials did not release news about his [Hjertstroem's] capture, which only leaked out after his release. Officials have also refused to detail how he was freed."

Hmmm.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 06/23/2005 2:09 Comments || Top||

#2  1991 is wrong - 14 years altogether, not 14 consecutively. The first article (link) on hiim says he was doing business before the sanctions - one of the few brokers who did so. So that's prior to 1990, at least. The article mentions "directly with Saddam Hussein," but that might be tabloid hype or bad machine translation. Also says that Hjertstroem didn't have family in Iraq, and that he left before the 2003 invasion. Wonder if he ever came across Ihsan Barbouti or Abdul Basit.

Anyway, I'd bet he knows a bit about the sanctions shenanigans, if only vaguely. Roger Simon, call your office.
Posted by: Rory B. Bellows || 06/23/2005 2:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Mr Hjertstroem described his ordeal as horrific. Several times he thought he was going to die when the kidnappers went to shoot him, then fired into the wall next to his head. "They thought it was very funny," he said.

He also said hostages who cried were targeted for execution. "A lot of people were afraid, screaming and crying all night. Unfortunately for them, they were ones who were usually killed," he said.

The squeaky wheel gets greased. I wonder what Senator Durbin thinks about the detention conditions of hostages?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 10:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Bobby: The squeaky wheel gets greased.

ROTFLMAO. You ought to get a copyright on this line.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 06/23/2005 15:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Sometimes typing too fast is serendipitous.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/23/2005 15:57 Comments || Top||



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