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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Bill Clinton Freaks Out (WAAAAAHHH)
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 09/23/2006 13:49 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try.
Posted by: Yoda || 09/23/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#2  Doctor: "Does it hurt when I mention this?"
Clinton "Yeow!"
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 17:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Some Freeper suggested that this video of Bill be spliced with his "I did not have sex with that woman" video, along with Hillary's "vast right wing conspiracy" right when Bill says "right wing".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/23/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#4  The sound and video are way out of sync.
Posted by: Mike || 09/23/2006 22:13 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan
Afghanistan's Booming Economy
Originally in the Wall Street Journal. Long piece, just the first few paragraphs here.
KABUL -- The recent spate of violence shouldn't be allowed to detract from the real story here: Afghanistan's booming economy. Frightened by exaggerated scare stories, American and other Western companies are missing out on lucrative investment opportunities grasped by ostensibly less sophisticated Afghan and regional players.

There's no shortage of profit to be made in an economy that grew 14% in the 12 months to March 21, and is expected to expand by a similar amount in the current financial year. In Kabul alone the number of cars and taxis has increased by one-third since last year to 400,000, up from fewer than 1,000 under the Taliban. Large sections of the city boast three- and four-storey buildings where mud brick houses stood only a few years ago, and twin 17- and 20-storey towers are currently under construction in Herat.

Telecom was one of the first big success stories. U.S. companies stood by as Afghanistan's first four mobile-phone licenses were auctioned off, starting in January 2003. The Afghan-American and regional investors who got licenses have profited as the number of private mobile-phone users rocketed from zero to 1.5 million over the last five years.

Now finance and banking is taking off -- and, once again, Western companies are missing out. First in the door were institutions from neighboring countries. Banks from Pakistan, Iran, India and the United Arab Emirates started opening branches in October 2003. Then, in 2004, the first two local banks opened up -- Kabul Bank and Afghanistan International Bank (AIB). A third, Azizi, joined them in June this year.

By next March, 16 banks are expected to be operating in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I find Local companies investing and profiting from stability to be preferable to participation of ATT.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 21:14 Comments || Top||


Perv and I know Mullah Omar is in Pakistan: Karzai
Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Friday said that Taliban leader Mullah Omar and Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden were both in Pakistan, charging that Islamabad’s support of militants had made Afghanistan unstable, while playing down reports that the Taliban was gaining strength inside his country. Addressing the US-based Council on Foreign Relations, Karzai said that the Taliban leader was “for sure” in Pakistan, adding that Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf “knows it and I know it . . . He is truly there”.
So is Hek, by the way. During the war against the Sovs, he spent most of his timesafe in Pak, canoodling with Qazi and plotting against Masood.
On the whereabouts of Bin Laden, Karzai said: “If I told you he was in Pakistan, President Musharraf, my friend, would be mad at me. But if I said he was in Afghanistan, that would not be true.”
One day those lies are gonna catch up with Perv, and then he'll be no more.
In a veiled reference to Musharraf and his alleged support of militants, Karzai said that some in the region used extremists to maintain political power. “Some of these regimes are definitely using extremism as an instrument of policy, and that is why Afghanistan has suffered.” He equated cooperating with terrorists to “trying to train a snake against somebody else”. “You cannot train a snake. It will come and bite you.”
Perv's not even trying to train his snakes. He's juggling them.
Playing down the Taliban-led insurgency that aims to topple his US-backed government, the Afghan president noted that the group was targeting teachers and children as well as clinics and schools. “Is that strength? No. Is it popular base? No.” He said that his government had been unable to prevent the Taliban from committing acts of terrorism due to inadequate police and military structures, adding that the country had been weakened from years of war.
I've come to a number of conclusions on the mechanics of terrorism in the past year or so. One of them is that seeing only two main Islamic movements doesn't cover the facts.

It's self-evidently true that Iran represents the Shia axis of terrorism. That's a problem that's not going to recede until Qom is rubble and all the lamp posts in Iran are adorned with dangling ayatollahs.

Al-Qaeda is a major Sunni axis. It's run by Sunnis and funded by Soddies, and it has pretensions to establishing a world-wide Islamic caliphate. There are many tendrils there to be chased down, financing to be shut down, and a crunchy outer coating of decoys and sympathizers to be stripped away before we get to the chewy center of the Islamic high command, which is not located in Pakistan, but in Soddy Arabia, possibly in Riyadh but more likely in Asir.

The third axis of terrorism in the world is Pakistan. It's not rogue elements of the ISI or illiterate, inbred hillbillies from the Great Wazoo, but the Pak government itself. Terrorism is a tactic and its use is a matter of government policy. No other interpretation holds water.

Pakistan is a nation of little accomplishment on the international stage. Its army has never won a war. Its economy is primitive and without international charity it would collapse. It was founded on Islam and the Islam it's adopted is a particularly malevolent strain, with the Deobandis and the Wahhabis competing to see which can outdo the other in the realm of ostentatiously ferocious piety. The government exhibits a love of dissimulation, Great Gaming, and ill-advised puffery that would have Kipling hooting in recognition as all of his villains and precious few of his heroes parade across the political stage.

Pak's ultimate goal is a Muslim Indian empire, stretching from the Burmese to the Persian borders, ruled by Punjabis from Islamabad. Qazi's articulated this vision, as has Hafiz Saeed. They'll no doubt argue over who gets the big turban when the subcontinental caliphate is finally established, but that's what they're working toward. Hafiz Saeed's Lashkar-e-Taiba is a tool of the Pakistani state. So is Hizbul Mujaheddin, owned and remotely operated by Qazi. So is Jaish-e-Muhammad. They are used to torment India, to attempt to keep it unstable, to keep the turbans stirred up. Kashmir is a tool to that end, a problem festering since 1947, intentionally designed to permit no solution. But even if there were a magical solution to the Kashmir problem tomorrow, LeT, JeM and whatever other proxy brigades were raised would continue their operations, booming trains in Mumbai and fostering riots in Gujarat, the ultimate intention being to subvert New Delhi.

The Talibs on the western Pak border are precisely the same thing as the Kashmiri Krazed Killer Korps. They have the same weapons, the same tactics, the same ideology, and they train in the same camps. Islamabad engages in the same pattern of pious denial in both cases, the difference being that Fazl doesn't seem to be involved in Kashmir, nor Hafiz Saeed in Afghanistan.

Karzai knows all this. The Pandjir Valley guys had their own intel back in the day, and presumably it's formed the basis of the national intel service. The Dari-speaking portion of Afghanistan is not stoopid, nor even as primitive as the Pashto-speaking portion.

The U.S. government knows all this as well. If we can't miss it here at Rantburg, confined as we are to open source, it's doubtful they're going to miss it at Fort Meade or at Langley or at Bolling AFB. In the past year our relations with Pak have become more brittle as less and less of their story gets bought. The eye-rolling on the part of our military and diplo people becomes more obvious, less restrained, the mockery less subtle. At some point we've admitted that we know at the morning policy briefing, though not publicly. I don't think Perv realizes it yet, but it's guiding policy. That policy should by now include causing Pak to collapse into its mutually antagonistic component parts, with the ultimate goal of isolating and maybe even destroying the Punjabi megalomaniacs.

Too bad about old Akbar Bugti, but only because he might have had some utility left in him. As far as I'm concerned, they're all expendable.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Nice summary, Fred. Hopefully the folks at CIA, DIA, etc., are stealing it for their weekly's.
Posted by: PBMcL || 09/23/2006 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  "a crunchy outer coating of decoys and sympathizers to be stripped away before we get to the chewy center of the Islamic high command"

Mmmmmmm ... crunchy decoys and sympathizers. Ooh, ooh, and a chewy center of Islamic high command ... argle bargle argle. Marge, I'm going to the store!!!
Posted by: Homer || 09/23/2006 0:41 Comments || Top||

#3  A very good summation. We've known alot of dirt on Pakland for many years. I don't know all the motivations as to why we haven't asskicked them yet, but, (1) we needed a local base to get a foothold in Afghanistan..when we'd been far better off bombing Pakis, (2) we didn't know as much as we needed to about their nukes. Recall that Powell, et al, went right over there and demanded to be shown where the stockpile was located. I'm sure we twisted Pervert's arm pretty tight to make him execute his 180 turn, knowing full well what a lying, cheating bastard he was/is. I think Perv's usefulness is nearing an end. It's just that we dread the next asswipe, who may be worse. Still, it's about time to yank on the Paki chain. BIGTIME.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 09/23/2006 1:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Recall that Powell, et al, went right over there and demanded to be shown where the stockpile was located.

Hadn't heard about this before. It's one of the few things that connects the dots to the threat of us bombing them back to the stone age. If we truly do know where their nuclear weapons are (aside from satellite or humint intelligence), then this is a huge strategic plus for us. It also leaves Pakistan wholly vulnerable to us, but I doubt I'll be losing any sleep over that.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 2:33 Comments || Top||

#5  Wow, great commentary, Fred, I agree completely. Karzai is getting hosed by his good friend Perv(ert).

Anyone who uses a White House press conference to pitch a book is an opportunist and a cheap hackster.
Posted by: Grolurt Hupising1286 || 09/23/2006 7:34 Comments || Top||

#6  Fred -- Would you consider expanding those comments into a book? We need it. It should be published simultaneously in the U.S. and India.
Posted by: Pagan Infidel || 09/23/2006 11:08 Comments || Top||

#7  Thanks for the layout Fred.

~~~~~

Hypothetical, If the three Queens of Terrorism [Perv-Land, Sod-Land A$$-Land] were decapped tomorrow naturally a power vacuum would result.

Sorta of a dilemma for us in the the West as the radical branches of Sunni & Shi'a "spirit" seems to be alive and robust amongst the Islamic flock. Who or what would fill the power vacuum in Islamabad for instance, India? USA? Afghanistan?

Perhaps the one of the best strategies we can exploit can be found within the dilemma itself.

Nurture the existing feuds between the many schisms within the radical elements of Islam, Deobandi vs Wahhabi vs radical Shia Muslim theocracy etc. so that they spend themselves attriting each other over the next few decades.

Posted by: RD || 09/23/2006 13:58 Comments || Top||

#8  One of Pakistan's biggest problems is that India has a HUGE army, air force, and navy - much larger, much better equipped, and much better trained. The only restraint upon India is that Pak has nukes. India doesn't want to lose Mumbai, Delhi, or any other major city. If we see India buying large quantities of PAC-3 missiles, we'll know the gloves are coming off.

One thing Fred didn't mention is the constant irritation in Bangladesh. This is essentially a "second front" in Pakistan's war against India. The current border war is an attempt to grab India's attention and direct it away from the ISI's involvement in the Mumbai bombing. I don't think it's working.

In any direct conflict between India and Pakistan, Pakistan loses. With US and NATO forces in Afghanistan and a hostile regime in Iran, Pakistan has nowhere to run.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 09/23/2006 14:16 Comments || Top||

#9  I thought Patriots/ABM were part of the latest deal with India?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 14:59 Comments || Top||

#10  Damn, best ever Fredmarks. Likely needs to be classified.
Posted by: 6 || 09/23/2006 16:38 Comments || Top||

#11  the Islamic high command, which is not located in Pakistan, but in Soddy Arabia, possibly in Riyadh but more likely in Asir.

If you would be good enough to explain, Fred? Thank you!
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#12  tw, this old article from Debkafile sheds some light on Asir

Bin Laden Is Back in Saudi Arabia - Is Working Closely with Baghdad
October 19, 2002, 1:58 PM (GMT+02:00)

The Al Murrah, renowned as first rate field scouts, are among the fiercest elements of the extremist Muslim Wahabi sect, Saudi Arabia’s state religion, and number some of Bin Laden’s most fervent followers. Without friends in the Al Murrah, this empty wasteland is impassable and uninhabitable.

The second bin Laden sighting took place in the Najran, a region lying across the frontier between the south Saudi province of Asir and Yemen. Here, he was observed on Saudi Bani Yam Saudi tribal land opposite Oman on the fringes of the Empty Quarter. The Bani Yam are close allies of the neighboring Yemeni tribes of the Hadhramauth, the Saudi-born terrorist’s ancestral homeland.

In the Najran, Bin Laden is not only within reach of his Yemeni friends and kinsmen, but in a position to control and deploy the 700 al Qaeda fighters who escaped Afghanistan at the end of 2001 and early 2002 and set up base in the Asir province.

Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 16:57 Comments || Top||

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Posted by: john || 09/23/2006 17:25 Comments || Top||

#14  Thank you, Zenster. That helps a great deal. :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2006 17:49 Comments || Top||

#15  You are most welcome. It's always a pleasure to assist one so erudite as yourself, tw.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 18:36 Comments || Top||

#16  Well, I've read some stuff anyway, Zenster dear. And much of it I had the pleasure of learning here. It's called Rantburg U for good reason.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2006 18:53 Comments || Top||

#17  We'll know the truth soon, Perv has finished his book!

PRESIDENT MUSHARRAF: I would like to -- I am launching my book on the 25th, and I am honor-bound to Simon and Schuster not to comment on the book before that day. (Laughter.)

PRESIDENT BUSH: In other words, buy the book, is what he's saying. (Laughter.)
Posted by: SwissTex || 09/23/2006 20:01 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Saudi to free Gitmo returnees during Ramadan
RIYADH - Saudi Arabia is temporarily releasing all Guantanamo Bay returnees held in Saudi jails to spend the Muslim holy month of Ramadan with their families, an official said on Friday.

The United States this year sent 29 Saudis home after negotiating a framework agreement with Saudi Arabia for the return of its citizens from the controversial prison.

”All those detainees who came back from Guantanamo are being released for the whole month of Ramadan, to fast Ramadan with their families and celebrate Eid with their families,” Interior Minister spokesman Mansour al-Turki said. “They will be back after Eid to complete the related procedures,” he said, adding they were serving various sentences.
Sure they will. Uh-huh.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  What a gawddamn farce.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 09/23/2006 1:34 Comments || Top||

#2  We should keep this, and all that it implies, in mind when responding to these articles. There is almost no overlap between us and them. Our logic simply does not apply or have any bearing upon their "reality".

We are from Earth. They are from Islam. Q.E.D.
Posted by: Craick Whinetle9127 || 09/23/2006 2:30 Comments || Top||

#3  *snicker redux*
Posted by: .com || 09/23/2006 5:37 Comments || Top||

#4  "Related procedures"? WTH are those? Nose jobs and tummy tucks?
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 09/23/2006 8:38 Comments || Top||

#5  #4 "Related procedures"? WTH are those? Nose jobs and tummy tucks?

LOL! It is probably instructions in better methods for avoiding capture next time around the Jihadi playground.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 09/23/2006 12:08 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
N.Korea to Remove Fuel Rods at Yongbyon
Entire story based on the word of a single 'expert', so beware.
BEIJING, (AP) - North Korea is planning to remove fuel rods at a nuclear reactor within the next three months in what would be a significant boost to its nuclear weapons capability, an American expert said Saturday. Selig Harrison, director of the Asia program at the Washington-based Center for International Policy, said North Korea's vice foreign minister told him in Pyongyang this week the secretive communist regime would unload the rods at the Yongbyon reactor "beginning this fall, and no later than the end of the year."

The North Korean official would neither confirm nor deny the country was planning to conduct its first known nuclear test, Harrison said. Last month, foreign intelligence reports said unusual activity at a possible testing site had been detected, sparking fears of an imminent test.

The Yongbyon reactor has been at the center of U.S. concerns about North Korea's nuclear weapons program. The reactor's spent fuel rods can be mined for plutonium, which can then be used to construct nuclear bombs. Removing the fuel rods is "a significant new development because it underlines that North Korea is enhancing its weapons capability," Harrison said. "Every time they unload it, they are getting a new increment of plutonium to be reprocessed and they are adding to the number of weapons that they could make," he said.

North Korea last removed fuel rods at the facility in June 2005 and was not due to do so again until June 2007, Harrison told reporters in Beijing shortly after arriving from a four-day stay in North Korea. "They are speeding it up because they want to use Yongbyon as leverage to get bilateral negotiations with the United States," he said.
Posted by: Steve White || 09/23/2006 15:02 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  yeah, that'll work. In accelerating Japan's ABM and nuclear program. F*ck the SoKors - they've made their bed. Withdraw our troops to Okinawa, Guam
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 15:25 Comments || Top||

#2  That would be a 'phased redeployment', right Frank?
Posted by: Steve White || 09/23/2006 17:16 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd announce and see how SKor responds. They have had a free ride too long to bitch if we pull out. If my next fan or car part comes from Taiwan or Japan or Singapore.....so? SK has bitched and moaned and vaccillated when we need a strong partner in negotiations. The worry is if the NK's fall, SK will be overrun with regugees after the fighting is done. Well, what if the Chinese are forced to absorb or kill all those refugees?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 17:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Maybe because his missile tests have gone so badly Kim has changed his war plan to sneaking into the US, digging a tunnel and blasting us from undergound. I think he got the idea from reading a Morlocks episode of the X-Men.

Alternately maybe he saw Pass the Vegetables Please. Note- I wish I could have found a link with the giant vegetables.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 20:13 Comments || Top||


DPRK accuses U.S. of preparing for 2nd Korean war
They do that at least twice a month. What else is new?
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mahmaod and Cesar are getting all the attention! I wanted to speak at the UN, too.

Lookit meeeeee!!
Posted by: Kimmy || 09/23/2006 8:59 Comments || Top||

#2  I didn't realize that the first one was over.
Posted by: Darrell || 09/23/2006 20:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Being prepared for war results in rhetoric from Kim. Being unprepared for war results in another invasion from the North.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 21:09 Comments || Top||


Europe
Aznar:“Muslims should apologize for occupying Spain for 800 years”
Bush and his war on terror, said the West is under attack from radical Islam and must defend itself. “It is them or it is us,” Aznar said. “There is no middle ground.”

Muslims should abjectly and completely apologize for occupying Spain for 800 years and a U.N.-backed program to encourage dialogue between them and West is stupid, former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar has said. Aznar made his comments Friday night in a speech at the Hudson Institute, a thinktank in Washington, D.C., as he discussed Pope Benedict XVI's recent remarks on Islam and violence. Aznar, a firm ally of U.S. President George W.Bush and the his war on terror, said the West is under attack from radical Islam and must defend itself. “It is them or it is us,” Aznar said. “There is no middle ground.” He did not elaborate. Aznar said he found it surprising that Muslims have demanded an apology from the pope over his Sept. 12 remarks.

Aznar noted the nearly 800-year Moorish occupation of Spain that began in the year 711 with an invasion from North Africa. He said Muslims had never apologized for this but still demand apologies whenever they feel offended by remarks by non-Muslims. “It's absurd,” Aznar said.

He also criticized an initiative launched last year by his Socialist successor, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, to encourage dialogue between the West and Muslim countries.
Posted by: Brett || 09/23/2006 18:16 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  OMG, There is hope for europe after all.
We need to hear moreresponses like this more often.

Fatwas and seetheing in 5...4...3...
Posted by: N guard || 09/23/2006 19:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I think he teaches at Georgetown. Aznar didn't seem to fit in well in Europe. I don't know why he would fit in better at Georgetown. He may be the only member of the Georgetown faculty to openely support the Pope.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 19:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Even more, he was speaking at the Hudson Institute.

HI was founded by Herman Kahn ("On Thermonuclear War", "Thinking About the Unthinkable" etc.) and Max Singer. Herman was a Jewish physicist, one of the original defense analysts at Rand, one of the sources along with Kissinger for the fictional Dr. Strangelove.

The estimable Claudia Rossett, she of the exposés of UN corruption, is an adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute. And check out the bios of the other fellows there, like Wm. Odom (ex director of the Nagtional Security Agency).

This is not your usual venue of EUwankers. Although the Institute focussed away from national security issues for a while, 9/11 reactivated it and it is growing as a center for serious security discussions again.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 20:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Now THIS is interesting.

Scooter Libby is affiliated with Hudson now.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 20:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Wasn't Aznar chucked out of office after Qaida blew up Madrid trains days before the general election?

His not being in office was the first major victory for the Islamonuts
Posted by: anon1 || 09/23/2006 21:47 Comments || Top||

#6  . . ."chucked out of office" . . .

That's a shade or two too simplistice, and incorrect to boot. IIRC, he left office, and his party's successor was defeated in a close election, albeit after the intial blame was put on ETA. Why picking the wrong terrorists to blame is a point in the oppositions favor is an interesting question, but Spain, at least, seems to retain a healthy two-party system which is growing, as opposed to many of its neighbors.
Posted by: Snavick Thravilet5335 || 09/23/2006 21:55 Comments || Top||

#7  He wasn't running in that election, but his party lost because it tried to imply that the attack was assisted by the Basque Seperatist which the opposition was in semi-secret negotiations with at the time. When AQ turned out to be the perps, Aznar's party looked bad.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 21:56 Comments || Top||

#8  Pelotas!
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 22:00 Comments || Top||

#9  Rats - my opening gambit was to trade "al Andalus" for the Holy Land.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 09/23/2006 22:15 Comments || Top||

#10  THAT'S the Spain that conqured the New World.
Posted by: Sheretle Thruque5606 || 09/23/2006 22:44 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Canada: Huge Crowd Turns Out For War For Freedom
OTTAWA — The subdued colours of official Ottawa were replaced Friday with blazing displays of red as thousands of people jammed Parliament Hill in an unprecedented outpouring of pride and tears for Canadian troops fighting in Afghanistan.

“First off all I’d like to say, wow,” said Lisa Miller, wife of a Canadian soldier, as she surveyed the crowd of up to 10,000 from a platform at the base of the Hill. “We never dreamed it would be this good,” she said weakly, wiping tears from her eyes. “It’s heart-warming you came together to support our soldiers.”

Miller and another military spouse, Karen Boire, were the architects of a campaign to wear red on Fridays as a show of support for the soldiers. It started in Petawawa, Ont. — home of the Royal Canadian Regiment’s 1st Battalion, which is currently deployed overseas. The idea of a rally took on a life of its own as local radio stations in Ottawa — spearheaded by CFRA — pumped it up, promoting it on air.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made an impromptu appearance, telling the rambunctious, upbeat audience that they owe their freedoms to soldiers just like the ones who are fighting terrorism in Afghanistan.

Throughout the lunch hour Friday — by foot, by cab and by bus — supporters of the troops and the war in Afghanistan streamed on to the front lawn, all wearing or carrying something red. There were red shirts, red ties, floppy red hats, red jackets, even flashes of red thongs among the crowd.

Both spouses said they believe they’ve tapped into an unseen reservoir of pent-up emotion that’s been building as casualties in the conflict mount and the debate over the merits of the mission becomes more shrill. “We believe Canadians at large have always supported our troops, although they’ve not until now had a way to visually show their support,” said Boire, whose boyfriend is in uniform, but not currently overseas. “We’re humbled by the success of this rally and the `wear red Fridays’ campaign. We now have an understanding of just how many people actually get it.”

Harper said no one — not even journalists — should be “afraid or ashamed to defend the Canadian military.” It was an apparent reference to recent disciplinary action taken against a Radio-Canada journalist, who publicly spoke in favour of troops in Afghanistan.

The war has grown increasingly unpopular among Canadians, something military leaders — both at home and overseas — have watched with a degree of dismay. “Your actions here today are a tangible sign to (soldiers) that their service is not unseen, their actions are not unappreciated and indeed their sacrifice is appreciated greatly,” said Gen. Rick Hillier, chief of defence staff, who stood for most of the rally beside Pte. Michael Spence, a soldier wounded in a recent friendly-fire incident.

Although billed as a non-partisan rally, Harper used the occasion to slip in a not-so-subtle jab at NDP Leader Jack Layton, who has called for the withdrawal Canadian troops from the combat portion of the mission. “Friends, I believe you cannot say you are for our military and then not stand behind them in the great things they do.”

The rally came hours after Afghan President Hamid Karzai addressed a joint session of Parliament and thanked Canadians for their efforts in the poverty-stricken country. Later, Karzai laid a wreath at the National War Memorial to honour the 36 Canadians who’ve died serving in his country since 2002.

There are 2,300 Canadian soldiers serving in Afghanistan, with another 200 on the way.
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#1  The members of the Canadian military that I interacted with were truly top-notch.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 17:32 Comments || Top||

#2  I guess I'm back on that Banff vacation
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 17:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Hold on, Frank. This guy from yesterday thinks it's not as good up here.

Banff is great, btw, and Alberta as well. Okay...some parts of B.C. too.
Posted by: Rafael || 09/23/2006 19:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Petawawa

In America it's called "Evian".
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 19:35 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
SHC stays ATC verdict in case against Mengal
The Sindh High Court refrained on Friday an ATC (anti-terrorism court) from delivering a verdict in an army hostage-taking case against former chief minister of Balochistan, Sardar Akhtar Mengal, and his four servants. The refraining order came on a criminal revision moved by Mohammad Yousuf, a relative of the four servants of the former Balochistan chief minister.

Earlier, he had moved a petition before the Additional and District & Session Judge (ADJ) south, pleading to register a criminal case against two sleuths of the Military Intelligence (MI), who the petitioner claimed acted beyond their authority in spying on and chasing the children of the sardar.
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Threats of US bombing highlight shaky relation
Threats of US military action inside Pakistan to counter Al Qaeda militants highlight the shaky relationship between these key players in the war on terror and could escalate anti-American sentiments in the country.

US President George W Bush said this week he would "absolutely" order military operations inside Pakistan if Osama bin Laden or other top terrorists were found to be hiding here. President General Pervez Musharraf later said that after the September 11, 2001 attacks the United States had threatened to blow his Islamic nation "back to the Stone Age" unless he stopped supporting Afghanistan's Taliban regime and joined the American-led war on terror. "These comments only expose how tenuous and fragile Pakistan's relationship is with the United States," Pakistani analyst and retired army general Talat Masood said on Friday. "They prove a lot more has to be done to establish a relationship on a much more solid foundation."

Bush has repeatedly praised Pakistan for arresting hundreds of Al Qaeda operatives. But the United States has also said Pakistan can do more to prevent militants crossing from its tribal regions into Afghanistan, where Taliban-fanned violence has reached its deadliest level since the US-led invasion. On Wednesday, Bush told CNN he would order American military action in Pakistan if actionable inte
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#1  A phony story used to promote Perv(ert)'s upcoming book. A book that attempts to whitewash his record.
Posted by: Grolurt Hupising1286 || 09/23/2006 7:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Must've consulted with Joe Wilson.
Posted by: Snolumble Snemble9521 || 09/23/2006 10:16 Comments || Top||

#3  If you are responsible for the loss of nuclear secrets, and the US gets attacked, you have to understand the mood at that time. AQ Kahn needs to sing today like never before.
Posted by: newc || 09/23/2006 13:02 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Talabani's Letter to America
CAMP UR, Iraq, Sept. 22, 2006 — Iraqi President Jalal Talabani traveled to New York this week for the opening of the 61st session of the United Nations General Assembly. In a letter to the people of the United States, Talabani describes Iraq’s security situation, challenges and progress, and his country’s special relationship with the U.S.
I think I'll go see if letter is printed in Mrs. Bobby's Washington Post
“Dear Americans,

As I am visiting the United States for the second time representing free and democratic Iraq, I felt it my duty to give you an update on what has been achieved in Iraq over the past year and on the challenges that lie ahead.

The first thing I would like to convey is the gratitude of all Iraqis, who are fighting for a democratic government and a civil society, to the Americans. Without your commitment, our struggle against despotism could not have made the progress that we have achieved. No expression of thanks could be enough for those who lost loved ones in Iraq. We feel your pain, we honor your sacrifice and we will never forget you. To those of you who have family and friends in Iraq today, we say: Your sons and daughters are helping us through a historic transition. We will always remember the enormous sacrifice that America is making for Iraq.

Thanks to the United States, we are transforming Iraq from a country that was ruled by fear, repression and dictatorship into a country that is ruled by democracy and has the values of equality, tolerance, human rights and the rule of law at its heart.

April 9, 2003, the day of liberation, heralded a new era in the history of Iraq and the region. That day triggered a sequence of events that laid the foundation of a modern Iraq that is at peace with itself and the world. All segments of Iraqi society have benefited from liberation.

Under Saddam Hussein, the majority of the Sunni Arabs of Iraq were marginalized; Saddam and his gang were ruling in the name of this community. But in reality, the Sunni Arabs never had the chance to choose their representatives democratically and have a say about their future. Today, they have 58 deputies in Parliament, a vice president, a deputy prime minister and a speaker of Parliament; all were elected by the people of Iraq.

The Shia majority of Iraq was for decades oppressed and discriminated against. They did not even have the right to practice their religious ceremonies. Now, they are equal citizens and hold key posts in government and parliament through their democratically elected representatives.

Kurds were second-class citizens. They suffered from genocide and chemical bombardment; now they are equal members of Iraqi society and active participants in the running of their country, Iraq. The same applies to the Turkomens, Assyrians and other groups of Iraqi society.

Iraq finally has an elected and representative government, a huge contrast to the authority of a vicious tyrant. In other words, Iraq is no longer the property of a gang that ruled by fear and repression. Every Iraqi today feels they have a stake in the new Iraq.

With the regime of Saddam gone, the countries of the Middle East no longer worry about the threat of new adventures by Saddam and his army across Iraq's international borders.

Every time that I visit the United States, I am convinced anew of the virtues and health of the American idea of government, and of the generosity of its people.

I was here around the same time last year. Here is what has happened between then and now, although I must say that I do not think that our situation can be understood simply by following the latest news. A much broader view of Iraq must be taken. For this, I will start with the economy.

The economic conditions for most Iraqis have improved. The economy was liberated from the control of the state and we are now taking the first steps in creating a vibrant private sector. Thanks to our independent businesspeople, our market places are bustling despite the unsettled security situation. A new investment law is before our Parliament. It will further invigorate our private sector, streamline the procedures for starting a new business, and open the country to greater foreign participation and investment. Salaries of government employees were raised 100 times or more. A policeman under Saddam received $2 to $3 dollars a month. Now a policeman is paid at least $200 a month.

The financial and economic boom is mostly noticed in the safer parts of Iraq. The city of Sulaymaniyah in Iraqi Kurdistan region now has more than 2,000 millionaires. Before liberation, the city had 12.

Politically, we had an eventful year. For the first time in Iraq's history, we ratified a constitution that enshrines many of the democratic values of human rights, equality, rule of law and good government. After three historic ballots that remain landmarks in the history of the Middle East, we now have a government that arises out of the people, instead of over the people, to use the words of a great American patriot, Thomas Paine.

Unlike the previous election, last December more people voted - 10.5 million - and a more representative parliament and a national unity government are now in place. Taking part in the national election and referendum on the constitution were the first steps in our national reconciliation efforts; we opted for the ballots and not the bullets to resolve our differences.

We consolidated this by the National Reconciliation Plan of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. The plan aims at bringing into the political process all elements of the Iraqi political spectrum that condemn terror and violence.

In the period between the election and the formation of the national unity government, the political blocs - which formed the government later - agreed on the political program for the government and agreed on forming the Political Council for National Security.

An important event that marked the new Iraq over the past year is the trial of Saddam Hussein and his aides for the crimes that were committed against the people of Iraq. We offered him the justice that he denied Iraqis for decades. The trials, the testimonies of the witnesses and those of the defendants are stark reminders and indications of what Iraq was like in the past and what the new Iraq is about.

Through the constitution and other legal means, we are redefining the foundations that Iraq was built on and are rebuilding what the country's bloody past has destroyed. We have no choice but to succeed. Our enemy attempts to destroy and disrupt any part of the political process, not because they disagree with the tenets of the Iraqi constitution, but because they do not want a constitution.

This contingent of international terrorists and the supporters and beneficiaries of the old regime - the devotees of Saddam Hussein - constitute the driving force of our enemy.They attempt to turn Iraqis against each other, and take Iraq back to its brutal and bloody past. Their tactics of suicide bombings and beheadings make it obvious that they mean to govern by inciting terror and fear, just as Saddam did.

Although portions of Iraq are already safe and secure, certain parts are still coming under attack from the vicious, bloodthirsty enemy. With the support of the citizens of Baghdad, the government started its Baghdad Security Plan. This plan is already showing signs of success, with a marked drop in the reported incidents of violence over the last month.

The battle in Iraq today is not between the various communities. Their elected representatives have agreed on a government of national unity and on national reconciliation. Nor is it a battle between civilizations, as some have seen it. It is a war "about civilization" as Prime Minister Tony Blair has phrased it so well - the conflict is between those who believe in having a civilization and those who don't believe in having one at all.

As you no doubt already understand, we are fighting a terribly difficult war in Iraq. We are doing everything within our power to protect our people from this clear form of fascism that seduces them into civil war. The calculated crime of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his henchmen in bombing the Shrine of Samarra, one of Iraq's religious and cultural treasures, is a prime example of their agenda. They wanted to slide the country into civil war. Thanks to the presence of the U.S. forces in Iraq and the wisdom of my colleagues in the leadership of Iraq, that plan was thwarted and the short spate of violence was contained.

I want to be frank here. In order to rid Iraq of the constant threat of violence, we still need your help. As long as we are determent to outlast and outsmart our enemy, we shall reach our common goals.

Iraq is slowly gaining the ability to fight this war with its own soldiers, evidenced recently by the relinquishing of complete control of coalition forces to the Iraqi government. The coalition now employs more soldiers from Iraq than any other nation. Slowly but surely, Iraq will be able to protect itself on its own.

The stakes of Iraq are enormous, world-shifting even. This is why our country should be a point of concern for every democratic country of the world. I can assure you that the immediate departure of coalition forces would only unleash tensions between different communities, the prospect of a safe Iraq wou ld be completely lost, and the previous descriptions of a civil war would seem insufficient and tame compared to the bloodshed of an Iraq that loses its international support.

And although I cannot promise when or how the American presence will completely end in Iraq, I can promise that American soldiers do not fight in vain. We in Iraq recognize that an incredible amount of American resources have been offered to us. And we understand that many Americans are frustrated with the course of the war, and we understand that doubt naturally coincides with difficulty. I realize that many Americans were apprehensive about the decision to go to war. But I ask that you put this behind you in favor of supporting a democratic and free Iraq, and a future for Iraqis that excludes the threat of violence and extremism. I ask that you consider what the terms of failure in Iraq would actually look like, and what they would mean for Iraq, the United States and the international community.

I would venture to say that the interest of Iraq and the United States are one in this matter. The United States carries a heavy responsibility in helping us. As complicated as the relationship may be, America and Iraq are now siblings in the world.”

Jalal Talabani, President of Iraq
Posted by: Kimmy || 09/23/2006 09:24 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is a classy guy, an Iraqi version of a founding father.
Posted by: Captain America || 09/23/2006 10:56 Comments || Top||

#2  He has a good heart and a reasonable understanding of the landscape - not a politician.
Posted by: newc || 09/23/2006 11:02 Comments || Top||

#3  For those of you complaining about the lack of moderate Muslims, I'd also point out that Talabani is not a 7th Day Adventist.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 11:53 Comments || Top||

#4  This is a classy guy, an Iraqi version of a founding father.
Posted by: Captain America || 09/23/2006 11:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Talibani is also a Kurd, IIRC. The Kurds have the most to gain from a stable, democratic Iraq, and also the most to lose to a Shia- or Sunni-dominated totalitarian government. They've been there once, and don't want to go back.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 09/23/2006 14:34 Comments || Top||

#6  I can assure you that the immediate departure of coalition forces would only unleash tensions between different communities, the prospect of a safe Iraq wou ld be completely lost, and the previous descriptions of a civil war would seem insufficient and tame compared to the bloodshed of an Iraq that loses its international support.

Got that, Murtha? Pelosi? Kerry?
Have another, Teddy.
Posted by: Bobby || 09/23/2006 15:39 Comments || Top||

#7  All cynicism aside, I truly hope that the Iraqi people at large feel the same sense of gratitude that Talabani's letter expresses. To date, this has been one of the most thankless tasks America has ever undertaken. I would also hope that Talabani carries this grateful message to other national leaders he has contact with to make them better aware regarding the function and worthwhile aspect of this liberation. The outside world seems to have little sense of the importance or magnitude of what is happening in Iraq. Were my cynicism to return, I would say that the much of this world, in its hatred for America, is hoping that Iraq fails despite the monstrous loss of human life that such failure would entail. There are few other conclusions that can be reached from the general lack of support and outright interference manifested by so many other nations.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 16:40 Comments || Top||

#8  I don't know that Iraq qualifies as the most thankless task we have been involved with. The Cold War, Somalia,Panama, Lebanon, Korea and Vietnam all were pretty thankless. We can pretty much bank on being villified. It is more more important to me to be successful than admired. We will pay the butcher's bill, regardless. Showing weakness just accelerates the next billing date. I would be perfectly satisfied to be villified and hated by the majority of free and prosperous Iraqis. Isn't that what we have accomplished in Europe and Korea?
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 18:25 Comments || Top||

#9  SH, the reason why I single out Iraq is that their suffering under Saddam was so manifest and yet, to date, the public's gratitude has been so lackluster. I realize that any large public pro-American demonstration would be a prime bombing target and, likewise, that nearly all Iraqi clergy still preach how America is the Great Satan, even as we sacrifice our soldiers' lives to allow them to congregate in peace. The irony just gets to me sometimes.

I would be perfectly satisfied to be villified and hated by the majority of free and prosperous Iraqis. Isn't that what we have accomplished in Europe and Korea?

I also dispute the worth of being satisfied with having those you liberate go on to hate you just the same. The idiotic anti-Americanism in Europe has contributed to a far greater threat in the form of Muslim demographic invasion. In South Korea we already see how the lack of a unified front has emboldened Kim to process even more plutonium for atomic weapons.

Similarly, should Iraq be so manifestly ungrateful to America as to eventually overturn its constitution and become yet another Iranian style theocracy, that would be an intensely negative thing. At such a point, it is almost more appealing to create these new nations as suzerains, thereby retaining military control of some sort, than to see them migrate over to essentially hostile entities.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 18:55 Comments || Top||

#10  Like I have said before the only two peoples that deserve a nation are Kurds and Israel in the ME.
Posted by: djohn66 || 09/23/2006 19:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Zenster, people tend to blame theirown difficulties on others to relieve cognitive dissonance. The more successful Iraq is the less they will have to blame on the US. Just shoot for respect not love. Being loved requires all sorts of sensitivity to others. Being loved requires signing off on Koyoto, joining the World Court and denouncing Israel on a weekly basis. America should adopt policies that embody integrity and justice. Popularity is important to contestants on America Idol.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 21:41 Comments || Top||

#12  All good points, SH. I really could give a rip about America being loved, it would just be nice to get some respect with having to go all Medieval on these morons.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 22:09 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Nasrallah Foams; Crowd Goes Wild
Wapo, Reg req'd, posted the whole thing.
BEIRUT, Sept. 22 -- In the mix of theater and pulpit that makes for a Hezbollah rally, the group's leader, Hasan Nasrallah, appeared Friday before hundreds of thousands of supporters for the first time since its war with Israel ended last month. His message was defiant, with the bravado the crowd expected: Hezbollah was stronger than before the war, he said, and it still possessed more than 20,000 rockets. Only the creation of a strong Lebanese government, he added, would lead to its disarmament, as demanded by the United Nations.

Kamal Ribai, a shy, soft-spoken businessman in the crowd with his son and two daughters, thrust his fist into the air. "At your command, Nasrallah!" he shouted, as six balloons floated above him carrying Lebanese and Hezbollah flags.

In an anxious and unsettled time in Lebanon, the Shiite Muslim group organized its largest show of force since a cease-fire went into effect Aug. 14. The spectacle filled a 37-acre lot, about a mile from the group's war-wrecked headquarters in a Beirut suburb, with flag-waving, boisterous supporters.

For the movement and the rest of the country, the rally signaled Hezbollah's direction after a battle it has proclaimed a "divine victory." Sounding less strident than some had expected, Nasrallah said he would seek a government that better represented his group and its allies, ridiculed the prime minister and scoffed at the attempts of "any army in the world" to seize its weapons.

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Posted by: Kimmy || 09/23/2006 09:13 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  target-rich environment
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 11:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Dammit, we GAVE Israel MOABs. Then they ignore a chance like this? Schmucks.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 09/23/2006 11:17 Comments || Top||

#3  250,000 to 300,000 Hezbo sympathizers, including the Grand Poobah, crammed into a 36-acre spot, and Israel, loaded with an estimated 200-300 nukes, has to bite the bullet.

Just goes to show the folly of nuclear deterrence against state-sponsored as well as free-lance terrorists.
Posted by: Lancasters Over Dresden || 09/23/2006 12:17 Comments || Top||

#4  In a black turban, with a slight lisp, Nasrallah has an almost innate sense of a crowd. He builds an argument with highly formal Arabic vocabulary, then delivers a point in almost conversational slang. His most emotional refrains are delivered bluntly, in a stentorian staccato. Then he mixes in jokes, a few words in a softer voice, and sometimes a quick aside.

Have any of you watched this maggot's oratory in the "Obsession" video? He reminds me of no one else except Adolph Hitler. The emphatic, strident spittle spewing rhetoric is a dead-on match for the German tyrant. "[A] slight lisp" would sure explain all sorts of compensation mechanisms on Nasrallah's part. Napoleanic doesn't even begin to cover it.

In his speech Friday, he said he had debated whether to attend the rally until a half-hour before it began.

I'm sure he knew damn well just what the odds were that Israel would finally have had enough and blow his worthless ass away, crowd and all. Whatever the international outcry, Israel could have delivered itself of a huge percentage of Lebanon's Hezbollah faction in a single bombing run that day.

"But my heart, mind and soul did not allow me to address you from afar," he said.

And thereby did Israel miss a golden opportunity.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 14:30 Comments || Top||

#5  I have lost all confidence in Israel and most especially their current government. I pitty the Israeli people Olmert the LLL has humiliated himself and his entire nation people in one fail swoop. This Nasralla victory speech was nothing but the icing on the cake.

If I was a Israeli I would be looking real hard towards Netanyahu or someone that at least has the sack to retaliate against blantant aggresion (and hell yeah it better be way over measured compared to the aggression).
Posted by: C-Low || 09/23/2006 15:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Dammit, we GAVE Israel MOABs
We gave the IDF bunker busters,
it's unlikely more than 10 MOABS exist.
Posted by: 6 || 09/23/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#7  ... said Mahmoud Birjawi, a 35-year-old Lebanese expatriate who flew from Venezuela two days ago, in part to attend the rally.

And the crowd chears for Hugo. Very disturbing.

Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 18:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Indeed. It's like Mississippi and Arkansaw allied themselves.
Posted by: 6 || 09/23/2006 18:57 Comments || Top||


'Saudi Arabia, Israel in secret contacts'
Israel and Saudi Arabia have been conducting secret negotiations, the top-selling Hebrew daily reported on its front page Friday. "Secret negotiations between Israel and Saudi Arabia," headlined Yediot Aharonot, reporting that contacts had begun during the recent 34-day war in Lebanon between Israel and Shiite militant group Hezbollah. Asked whether there were secret talks going on with Saudi Arabia, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as saying: "I don't have to answer every question".

Olmert was quoted as saying, however, he was "very impressed with various acts and statements connected with Saudi Arabia, both those that were made publicly and others as well. "I am very impressed with King Abdullah's insight and sense of responsibility," he added.
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#1  I hope, Olmert, you're as deceitful in these dealings as the Bedouins. For Israels sake. You've already committed enough screwups.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 09/23/2006 1:37 Comments || Top||

#2  Now, what do the Sauds and the Israelis have in common.

Sauds + Israel = Iran
Posted by: Grolurt Hupising1286 || 09/23/2006 7:38 Comments || Top||

#3  This kind of rumors surface periodically. It's all nonsence of course.
Posted by: gromgoru || 09/23/2006 7:55 Comments || Top||


Israel ready to release prisoners for soldier: Olmert
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as saying Friday that he was prepared to negotiate a prisoner release with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas in exchange for a captured soldier.

"I told (Egyptian President Hosni) Mubarak I am ready to release (prisoners) to Abu Mazen (Abbas). I am not ready to release prisoners to Hamas," the prime minister told the Yediot Aharonot newspaper in an interview. "I had several conversations with Mubarak on this subject. The only limitation I set was this - no negotiations with Hamas," Olmert said. "Even before the kidnapping, I promised Mubarak that when I met with Abu Mazen I would release prisoners. This is the model that we are talking about," Olmert said, talking about "difficulties" which he refused to detail.
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#1  "because trading a thousand Paleo prisoners for one captured Israeli is Ok if done with Abbas, but not with Hamas, cuz they're....uh...different. They're icky"
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 1:32 Comments || Top||

#2  If *I* were Olmert, I'd promise 10,000 prisoners but set the condition that all three Israeli soldiers be set free FIRST, as a "good faith gesture". Then once the 3 soldiers are safe in Israel, renig on the whole deal and publicly taunt Hamas/Hezbollah as stupid trusting idiots.

But that's just me.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 09/23/2006 2:06 Comments || Top||

#3  All of the above.

Go ahead, trade prisoners just this once. Trade 1,000:1, who cares. Get Shalit, Goldwasser et al in safe keeping and then blow all 1,000 of the trades straight to eternal burning hell.

Next time there is a kidnapping or hostage taking, walk artillery through all of the "refugee camps" one block at a time while demanding the release of whomever has been captured.

The time of trusting these skyscraper-sized turds to do anything even remotely close to honorable has come to an end. One look at the endless prinking about over Hamas' recognition of Israel is answer enough.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 4:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Israel went to war with the Hezbos over two kidnapped soldiers and eigth soldiers ambushed and killed.

Now, Olmert wants to pull a trade. Go figure?

The only reason Israeli soldiers are being kidnapped is to release 0000s of thugs, as bad a pattern as land for pieces
Posted by: Grolurt Hupising1286 || 09/23/2006 7:42 Comments || Top||

#5  If *I* were Olmert, I'd promise 10,000 prisoners but set the condition that all three Israeli soldiers be set free FIRST, as a "good faith gesture". Then once the 3 soldiers are safe in Israel, renig on the whole deal and publicly taunt Hamas/Hezbollah as stupid trusting idiots.

I'd do almost the same thing, except I'd release the corpses of the jihadis.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/23/2006 12:56 Comments || Top||

#6  It is the way of the Souk.
Posted by: 6 || 09/23/2006 19:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Release them onto the continent of Antartica. Lying is bad business.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 19:19 Comments || Top||


US firm on Hamas sanctions
THE United States has reiterated conditions for a resumption of aid to the Palestinians, after Hamas warned any unity government with president Mahmud Abbas would not recognise Israel.
We knew they would. Maybe AP didn't know they would, but we did. Even if a statement to that effect were to emanate from Hamas lips, another set of Hamas lips would deny it within 12 hours.
The Hamas statements dealt another blow to hopes for a new Palestinian government and the return of desperately needed direct Western aid, frozen after the radical Islamic group took power earlier this year.
The idea is to pretend, which'll get the EU ready to start up the aid machine, then announce they were only funnin'. Eventually the aid will restart without them actually having to do anything other than play charades.
State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said the diplomatic quartet sponsoring Middle East peace moves, comprising the European Union, Russia, United Nations and United States, had made its requirements clear. "The only way forward is to have a Palestinian Authority government ... that adopts the conditions laid out by the Quartet previously back in January," he said. Hamas is required to recognise Israel, renounce violence and abide by past peace agreements, under the conditions. "That's what we're all looking for, and I think that's what's important for us as we move forward," said Mr Casey.
So far, since the appearance of the Paleostinian Authority, we've moved anywhere but forward. We've moved to the left, moved to the right, move a little bit up, moved a little bit down. On a very few rare occasions we've taken a step forward, but it's been followed immediately by a step back. It has never been movement. The best we've been able to do is a kind of oscillation.
Hamas earlier defied Abbas by insisting a unity government would not recognise Israel - contrasting with remarks by Abbas to the United Nations - and risking further delays to floundering talks between the two sides.
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Hamas won't join any gov't asked to recognize Israel
Toldja so.
(Xinhua) -- Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud al-Zahar from Hamas on Friday said that his movement would not join any coming Palestinian government if it recognized Israel.
"Nope. Nope. Ain't gonna do it."
“Previous nine Palestinian governments have recognized Israel but didn't get any thing or achieved any thing in return...”
Zahar made the remarks at a news conference held in Gaza about the result of an Israeli closure and blockade on the Palestinian territories, especially the Gaza Strip. "Previous nine Palestinian governments have recognized Israel but didn't get any thing or achieved any thing in return," said Zahar.
"We ain't gonna recognize 'em and we're gonna get even less."
Warning negative results from recognizing the Jewish state, Zahar clarified that the Palestinian plan of national accordance, better known as the Prisoners' Document, didn't include any article urging the recognition of Israel.
"No matter what Abbas said..."
However, observers see the plan includes an implicit recognition of Israel by calling for a Palestinian statehood alongside the Jewish state. Hamas, like all Palestinian factions, agreed on the plan that also calls for a government of national unity. Regarding a proposed truce, Zahar said "the truce with Israel doesn't mean a recognition," calling at the same time for the truce to be mutual.
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#1  However, observers see the plan includes an implicit recognition of Israel by calling for a Palestinian statehood alongside the Jewish state. Hamas, like all Palestinian factions, agreed on the plan that also calls for a government of national unity. Regarding a proposed truce, Zahar said "the truce with Israel doesn't mean a recognition," calling at the same time for the truce to be mutual.

These are the unrivaled masters of flummery. From both sides of their mouth they simultaneously issue forth fulmineous proclamations of undying war and mendacious promises of elusive peace. All the while, their greasy palm is extended to grasp more of the filthy lucre being flung at them by fellow anti-Semites and cowed Europeans.

Rarely in history has there been a superior example of such transparent false-heartedness. The Palestinians differ in only one respect from their preposterously fraudulent predecessors, they actually believe in the lies they spew. No other political con artists or gang of thieves has ever been so utterly obtuse and stubbornly opaque as the Palestinians in the conduct of their shameless chicanery. The KGB could take lessons in misinformation from these psychopathic political quacks.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 1:05 Comments || Top||

#2  Damn, surprises everywhere you look lately.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 09/23/2006 1:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Fulmineous. I had to refer to my trusty dictionary for that one. It's good. Not sure when I'll get a chance to use it but you never know.
Posted by: Gladys || 09/23/2006 5:57 Comments || Top||

#4  I had to refer to my trusty dictionary for that one. It's good.

Yep! Zenster whips out the old vocabulary every now and then an produces a gem.

So, Zen, do you ever sleep?
Posted by: Texas Redneck || 09/23/2006 7:44 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey Zenster. Since they'll get $$$ without recognizing Israel (any doubts?), why should they?
Posted by: gromgoru || 09/23/2006 7:59 Comments || Top||

#6  A photo of those infamous starving Palestinian children would accompany the headline nicely.
Posted by: Jules || 09/23/2006 8:46 Comments || Top||

#7  See, there is no 'two state' solution. Times up Paleo boys. Time for most of the land to revert back to its pre-1967 owners. I'm sure they'll treat them better than the Israelis [not].
Posted by: Snolumble Snemble9521 || 09/23/2006 10:15 Comments || Top||

#8  Won't do it with a mouse, won't do it in a house, won't do it in a boat, won't do it in a moat...
Posted by: newc || 09/23/2006 11:05 Comments || Top||

#9  Yep! Zenster whips out the old vocabulary every now and then an produces a gem.

I blame it on crossword puzzles*. Not that "fulmineous" ever appeared in one.

* Done in ink.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 13:57 Comments || Top||

#10  I never could do crossword puzzles -- I seem to function up the Z axis relative to those who compose them -- but put me in a room with a couple of smart people who know things (with or without a teapot) and I generally manage to be amused. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2006 17:02 Comments || Top||

#11  I did my civil engineering college homework in ink. My professors (Fang-Hui Chou at San Diego State - my favorite of all my structures classes) still remember me for that....after 20++ years LOL
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 17:20 Comments || Top||

#12  I do the NY crosswords in my head, then after 2 days I commit to them with blood.
Posted by: 6 || 09/23/2006 17:46 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Protesters demand Pope’s removal for ‘fanning hostility’
LAHORE: A protest day was observed on the call of religious organisations on Friday to express anger against the alleged anti-Islamic remarks the Pope made at a speech in Germany a couple of weeks ago.

“The protestors demanded the Pope’s removal from office for 'fanning hostilities between faiths'...”
The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, (MMA), Tehrik-e-Namoos-e-Resalat Mahaz (TNRM), Tehrik-e-Hurmaat-e-Rasool, Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan (JUP) and other organisations protested outside mosques after Friday prayers to condemn the remarks and what they called the West’s propaganda against Islam and Muslims. The protestors demanded the Pope’s removal from office for “fanning hostilities between faiths”. They also said protests would continue till the Pope did not apologise to the Muslim community over “his derogatory remarks against Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)”. They demanded Muslim nations should sever diplomatic relations with the Vatican till the Pope’s removal.

“They accepted the Pope’s idea of an inter-faith dialogue, but said that if the Pope failed to prove the truth of his faith he should accept Islam as that was the only faith that led to peace and salvation...”
Jamaatud Dawa central leaders Maulana Ameer Hamza, Hafiz Abdur Rehman Madni and Hafiz Abdul Ghaffar and other clerics said the “Pope’s insulting words towards the Prophet (PBUH) and Islam are not a mere coincidence or a slip of tongue, but rather a continuation of the West’s war against Islam. Muslims can tolerate anything, but insults directed towards the Prophet (PBUH)”.

They also accepted the Pope’s idea of an inter-faith dialogue, but said that if the Pope failed to prove the truth of his faith he should accept Islam as that was the only faith that led to peace and salvation. Jamaat-e-Islami Secretary General Syed Munawwar Hasan told the Friday sermon at a mosque at Mansoora that Friday’s protests to condemn the Pope’s remarks had proved that the Muslim community was ready to sacrifice their lives to protect the Prophet’s (PBUH) honour. The JI leader also demanded Muslims rulers including Islamabad expel the Pope’s diplomatic mission from their respective countries.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is it generations of inbreeding that cause such behavior, or just the lack of anything else interesting to do in yet another Islamic Republic of No Fun, that causes such tedious seething, ranting and raving?

It can't all be blamed on general illiteracy and poverty. There's plenty of other places in the world that are even worse off on those two counts, yet they don't keep acting like spoiled brats.
Posted by: Swamp Blondie || 09/23/2006 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  I don't think their campaign will result in the removal of the Pope. They did some nice signs though. Maybe they should try to demonstrate their influence on a smaller scale first. If they can get Jerry Springer ousted from Dancing with the stars, I would be much obliged and less likely to consider them as totally Coockoo for Cocopuffs.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 1:53 Comments || Top||

#3  LOL - great graphic!
Posted by: Craick Whinetle9127 || 09/23/2006 2:32 Comments || Top||

#4  "Fanning hostility"? I'm an agnostic, but if they harm on single hair on the Pope's head and they haven't seen fuckall of hostility yet.

It can't all be blamed on general illiteracy and poverty.

You are so right, Swamp Gal. This sort of violent pychopathy requires endless hours of poisonous inculcation, rigorous programming plus endless hours of murderous and genocidal indoctrination. All courtesy of guess who?

Islam. Not Islamism. Not Islamists. Not Islamofascism. Islam plain and simple. Everywhere you look, hatred for the Jews. Enmity for America, the "Great Satan". They can kneel down and blow me pray we don't incinerate them just for gits and shiggles.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 4:19 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, Super Hose - good to see you posting again! Remember this? Lol. Save that, it took me a long time to find it. :-)
Posted by: .com || 09/23/2006 5:45 Comments || Top||

#6  Yes, well, that's a little bit of 'istory, now isn't it, .com? Did some digging, didn't we?
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 6:00 Comments || Top||

#7  Heh, I got snookered by the Plethora of Steves. Note that they hadn't yet coalesced into an Army... We should've acted then and there, but we hesitated and they've only grown stronger and more numerous since. Hell, even Fred's intimidated by the demographic implications - he made 2 into Mods to buy 'em off. :-)
Posted by: .com || 09/23/2006 6:16 Comments || Top||

#8  LOL .... I'd forgotten how you took that 'nym, SuperHose.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 8:11 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm an agnostic, but if they harm on single hair on the Pope's head and they haven't seen fuckall of hostility yet. Fuckin-A, brother.

Kind of creepy. Mr. exJAG's boss, a JAG O-5, is a white female who married an Egyptian and converted to Islam back in the early 90s. They have two daughters, 11 and 13, who remain unbagged. As far as I can tell, they're real-live MMMs (Mythical Moderate Muslims).

We went to a BBQ at their house last night (no pork, of course), where I overheard a guest ask her: "that big mosque we passed on the way here, is that yours? Do you go to mosque?" Response: "oh no, not around here. That one's too political, and besides, CID is watching it. [Giggle]!"

I feel bad for feeling extremely creeped out. But then every day I see stuff like this and don't feel bad at all. In fact, I find I'm very angry with her for acting like it's not her problem. Catholics, Mormons, Protestants, Jews, and agnostics work for her, and what's on the office calendar? Ramadan.
Posted by: exJAG || 09/23/2006 10:02 Comments || Top||

#10  If Ramadan is on the office calendar and Rosh Hashona and Christmas aren't, an anonymous complaint through the EEOC office is in order. At the military post where I work, that sort of thing gets taken quite seriously.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 10:10 Comments || Top||

#11  Would appreciate an RB list of imans for removal.
Posted by: regular joe || 09/23/2006 10:14 Comments || Top||

#12  The slaves of Mohammad (PTUI)are permitted only one lone avenue of expression - violence.

No other form of self-expression is permitted. No music, no dance, no writing, no sex, no comminication with the other sex, no laughter, no friendship.

Screeching anger and violence are enforced as the only permitted expression. Death is worshipped so because islamic life is hell.
Posted by: Thinemp Whimble2412 || 09/23/2006 10:30 Comments || Top||

#13  No, no, lotp, she's very multicultural and diverse and all that (and the CG is Jewish, heh).

I'm getting at a larger issue: I think being Muslim is incompatible with military service. Her subordinates' feelings about Islam are about the same as here at RB. Yet the more the Religion of Perpetual Outrage escalates, the more she parades her Muslim-ness around.

Clearly, everyone is expected to politely bear it and avoid the subject, much like that episode of Fawlty Towers ("don't mention the war!") But what they feel is stifled, constrained, and dubious about her loyalty, as she never says a word to reassure anyone, either about her own faith or about the rage-du-jour.

We bar homosexual conduct in the service because it creates many of the same problems. Right or wrong, unit cohesion is seriously undermined with a Muslim in charge.
Posted by: exJAG || 09/23/2006 10:42 Comments || Top||

#14  "I feel bad for feeling extremely creeped out."

Rantburg, thankfully, is one place you don't have to feel that way.

Posted by: Dave D. || 09/23/2006 10:54 Comments || Top||

#15  A Black 0-6 whom I greatly respect has a good model for diversity, I think. He suggests there is a line between two extremes. At one extreme a minority (or white male, for that matter) identifies with the institutional Army culture 100%. At the other extreme, the person identifies with his/her race/religion/ethnic identity/regional identity (think, southern or Texan or ...) 100%.

Neither of these really happens. In real life, people are somewhere on the spectrum. It's okay for the military to impose a core culture of its own, so long as it doesn't ask e.g. blacks or Jews or whomever to totally set aside the rest of their personal identity. And it's okay for people to retain that identity, so long as they are willing to embrace the core values of the military. And it's common for people to move along that spectrum over time.

He also has some wise things to say about different leadership styles and their value to the Army in different situations.

Sounds like the O-5 you're talking about isn't giving any signs that she's invested on the institutional / national side of that spectrum. Some Muslims do, however, and I have no problems with them serving.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 10:59 Comments || Top||

#16  They also said protests would continue till the Pope did not apologise to the Muslim community over “his derogatory remarks against Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)"

huh?
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 11:27 Comments || Top||

#17  Would appreciate an RB list of imans for removal.

All of them?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/23/2006 11:50 Comments || Top||

#18  Yet the more the Religion of Perpetual Outrage escalates, the more she parades her Muslim-ness around.

I think you have that backwards. The less we do to defend ourselves against the Religion of Perpetual Outrage, the more confident she is in shoving it in everyone's face. The more we volunteer to be dhimmi, the more she feels to be one of the Master Religion.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/23/2006 11:54 Comments || Top||

#19  We used to have a Dead Pool, where we could throw the worst of the holy men to anticipate their departure from the gene pool. It was one of those things that didn't make the switchover when we converted from Microsoft to Open Source.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 11:59 Comments || Top||

#20  exJag, I agree with you. If anyone in my platoon/company was a Muzzie I'd watch the bastard like a hawk. Probably couldn't get a night's sleep if they were close. That said, I'd like to see a draft re-instated so we can force these useless f**kers into military. Notice how they come here, parade their asses thru our streets, yet never serve. We could identify the disloyal ones immediately and take care of them posthaste. This would get them out of general population where they are becoming nothing more than a fifth column. Your O-5 displays typical behavior. If there were three or more of them huddled around, you'd see blatant, outright derision of any non-muzzies. This bitch is an idiot and turncoat. Nothing else positive to say.
Posted by: SOP35/Rat || 09/23/2006 12:03 Comments || Top||

#21  SOP - that sounded totally contradictory to me. No draft. Expose em where they are. We don't want them armed and trained at our expense if they're muzzies first, Americans second
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 13:49 Comments || Top||

#22  All of them?

The very model of brevity, you are, RC.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#23  "I'm getting at a larger issue: I think being Muslim is incompatible with military service."

I'm not there yet-- not quite; but I edge closer and closer to that as time goes by and I see us continue to follow a trajectory guided far too much by our mindless committment to liberal notions of "fairness," "inclusiveness," and "diversity," and far too little by a prudent, level-headed, clear-eyed regard for our, and our children's, continued survival and freedom. A nation which, even after the monstrous atrocities of 9/11, still cannot bear the thought of giving special scrutiny in airports to young males of Middle-Eastern appearance because it fears it would be guilty of "racial profiling" is a nation stuck in denial and, frankly, "stuck on stupid."

If some day one of our cities disappears in a blinding flash and a thundering roar, it will be for one reason only: we were too afraid of being "mean" to Muslims.

God help us.

Posted by: Dave D. || 09/23/2006 14:22 Comments || Top||

#24  If some day one of our cities disappears in a blinding flash and a thundering roar, it will be for one reason only: we were too afraid of being "mean" to Muslims.

God help us.


I wish more people saw it this clearly. It probably will not be just one city. I wish it weren't so, but I believe that it is so.
Posted by: SR-71 || 09/23/2006 15:34 Comments || Top||

#25  One city, if any.

Unless they source the weapon from a competent manufacturer, they have freaking no chance to build an A-bomb.

Think of all the videos of a jihadi firing a mortar, where they have no idea of how to emplace it, prep if for accurate fire and use it in a military fashion. They have no idea where the bomb will actually land and where the chances it will actually hit us are almost nil.

Islam truly makes a believer incompetent in any modern sense.

Also, LOVE the banner graphic. Heh.
Posted by: Brett || 09/23/2006 17:22 Comments || Top||

#26  Dave D., I'm there because some fuckwit convert (Hasan Akbar) almost killed one of my friends with a grenade in Kuwait. I'm there because every Muslim chaplain in the US military was personally hand-picked by Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is now serving 23 years in federal ass-pounding prison. I'm there because one of those chaplains (James Yee, a convert who studied in Syria) got nailed smuggling classified data out of Gitmo. I'm there because another wanna-be convert (Ryan Anderson) got picked up trying to pass info on equipment and movements to AQ on a jihadi message board.

I'm there because now, a very nice lady who made some bad decisions when she was young, forces her beliefs on Christians who are very worried about the Pope right now. Further, she has no plans to return to her native soil when she retires (because the US is just too hostile to Muslims). How do you faithfully serve a country you never plan to see again?

Soldiers were not expected to be sensitive to Germans serving alongside them during WWII, or to be careful to show respect for Mein Kampf and Nazi holidays. I see no benefits to be gained from allowing Muslims to serve, only opportunities for disruption and infiltration. Perhaps it would make the difference between victory and defeat, perhaps not, but I want them out.
Posted by: exJAG || 09/23/2006 17:24 Comments || Top||

#27  I'm there because exJAG makes F**king sense!
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#28  I had forgotten about Abdurahman Alamoudi. Oh, well. You who are already there, leave the door open for me if you don't mind. I'm sure I'll only be a few more days... LOL!

Posted by: Dave D. || 09/23/2006 17:36 Comments || Top||

#29  Further, she has no plans to return to her native soil when she retires (because the US is just too hostile to Muslims). How do you faithfully serve a country you never plan to see again?

Ah. That's an important detail I didn't pick up on earlier.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 19:00 Comments || Top||

#30  Then why doesn't she just quit? Somebody should ask her. If you hate the US why don't you just do the honorable thing. That being quit the military and move to the flea infested sand dune you want to call home?
Posted by: 3dc || 09/23/2006 20:06 Comments || Top||

#31  She may not be free to do that. Among other things, if her law school was paid for by the military, as is usually the case with JAGs, she may still have a service commitment to repay the schooling.
Posted by: lotp || 09/23/2006 20:16 Comments || Top||

#32  I can't imagine that life under Sharia would be any more attractive to a woman head of household than life in the US for an observant muslim. Must be planning on life in Europe.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 20:23 Comments || Top||

#33  Soldiers were not expected to be sensitive to Germans serving alongside them during WWII, or to be careful to show respect for Mein Kampf and Nazi holidays. I see no benefits to be gained from allowing Muslims to serve, only opportunities for disruption and infiltration. Perhaps it would make the difference between victory and defeat, perhaps not, but I want them out.

Sweet merciful crap! You certainly make a good case, exJAG. I suppose that's what you're trained to do. I'm really glad you're sticking around here at Rantburg. You have just made an extremely pursuasive argument against having Muslims in the military. Like David D., I too, will have to consider this a bit more. I'll say that, when it comes to Islam, it barely goes against all I've had to realign to over the last few years.
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 22:45 Comments || Top||

#34  exJAG: agreed.

Also in WWII German and Japanese citizens were put in internment camps until the end of the war because they didn't know if you were a spy, or a saboteur (now read terrorist) or not.

And since you can't tell and you're a nation at war you quarantine.

But today this kind of self-preservation is impossible because of the multiculti indoctrination.

We are doomed.
Posted by: anon1 || 09/23/2006 23:33 Comments || Top||


Whipping up the rubes: Muslims protest against pope amidst calls for calm
“Around 2,000 Hamas followers swelled the streets of the West Bank town of Ramallah, criticising Pope Benedict XVI, whom they said 'knew nothing about history'...”
Thousands of Palestinians on Friday led peaceful demonstrations across the Muslim world against the pope’s criticism of Islam, demanding a frank apology amidst appeals for dialogue and calm. Around 2,000 Hamas followers swelled the streets of the West Bank town of Ramallah, criticising Pope Benedict XVI, whom they said “knew nothing about history”.

“He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments...”
Around 300 demonstrators filed into Tehran’s revolution square, burning US, British and Israeli flags and chanting “death to America” and “death to Israel”. “We want once again for the pope to apologise officially. He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments,” said a leader of the protest. “We strongly condemn his comments and we ask Muslims and Christians to be alert in the face of attempts to create tension, and we ask the pope to correctly apologise,” he said. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has voiced respect for the pope and acknowledged that he had “modified” the offending remarks.

“Qaradawi accused the pope of saying things 'even a secondary school pupil should not say'...
Influential Qatari sheikh Yussef Al-Qaradawi accused the pope of saying things “even a secondary school pupil should not say”, in a sermon partly broadcast by Al-Jazeera. “The pope should have been prudent before making remarks that hurt a nation of a billion-and-a-half people,” said the Egyptian-born cleric.

“'The pope has shown himself to be like Hitler, Lenin and the contemporary dictator and bloodsucker Bush,' said the head of the Kabul provincial council, Habibullah Hisam...”
A gathering of around 300 angry scholars in Kabul called on mullahs across the country to use Friday prayers to read to their congregations the pope’s words. “In the history of humanity, the pope has shown himself to be like Hitler, Lenin and the contemporary dictator and bloodsucker Bush,” said the head of the Kabul provincial council, Habibullah Hisam.

“Hundreds of Muslims took part in what the organisers called a 'day of anger'...”
Meanwhile, thousands of Muslims from Cairo to Kuala Lumpur protested against the pope at mosques on Friday, demanding at least a full apology and in some cases a retraction of comments he made. At Cairo’s 10th century Al-Azhar mosque, hundreds of Muslims took part in what the organisers called a “day of anger”. The Friday preacher criticised the pope’s initial response to the controversy. “Not only do we not accept his apology, but his insulting words should be wiped out of the text,” he said.

Speakers after Friday prayers in Cairo linked the pope to the invasion or occupation of Arab and Muslim countries by the US, Israel and their allies. “Wake up Muslims! It’s a conspiracy between the pope and Bush!” said a banner strung between two mosque pillars.

“It looks as if the Vatican is providing religious justification for the wars waged in Iraq and Afghanistan,” said scholar Kamal Habib. In Malaysia, some 300 Muslims held a peaceful rally after Friday prayers. Waving anti-pope banners, supporters of the opposition Islamic party PAS demanded the pope resign and make a full apology. Former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad urged Muslims to refrain from violent protests similar to those held over the cartoons. Asked if Muslim anger over the comments was seen as linking Islam with violence was justified, he said, “Not to the point of burning embassies and such.”
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From the Clausewitz aricle on the Opinion page:

"At the macro level. The most effective retrospective meta-narratives rise to the national (or even global) level and acquire the status of “collective memories” — which, more often than not, have little to do with scholarly history. If there is one grand narrative that needs to be thoroughly deconstructed, it is that of “Western imperialism vs. Muslim victimization.” For nearly a thousand years, 711 until 1683, it was Islam which was on the offensive, and the West on the defensive, with a few sporadic counteroffensives (aka the Crusades). "

I guess Tony Corn will now have to dodge fatwas and hit teams, too.
Posted by: .com || 09/23/2006 6:33 Comments || Top||

#2  One of the great revelations of my life was the discovery that the only way to learn history was by reading first person accounts of people who actually took part.

It made me realize that most of history as taught is merely ideology decorated with a few facts.

And if this is the real .com, welcome back bro. You are sorely missed.
Posted by: phil_b || 09/23/2006 8:30 Comments || Top||

#3  "Whipping up the rubes" -- that says it all. Could be an entire category on Rantburg.
Posted by: regular joe || 09/23/2006 8:50 Comments || Top||

#4  Of course we could whine and seethe with the best of them, but why put aside the coffee and push away from the desk when we can send it world wide with a keyboard and a push of a button here in sunny Rantburg. Ranting with style and technology! :) Heh.

The cold men of the north no longer dance in the streets and scream. [Well maybe the Kos Kiddies and their throwbacks do in festive ritual.] We just quietly wait for the 'line' to be crossed and then act. Knowing that all along in the end it’s just - Clean Up in Aisle 3. Maybe that is why the epidemic of obesity is sweeping the west. More dancing and seething and less typing? Something to think about, while I get another coffee.
Posted by: Snolumble Snemble9521 || 09/23/2006 10:26 Comments || Top||

#5  Remember Stalin's words - "How many divisions does the Pope have?" I think it's time for Catholics in particular, and all non-Islamic religions, to create some "divisions" to counter the islamonuts. We need a pro-Pope rally in Washington, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Madrid, Mexico City, Lima, Toronto, Bulawayo, Johannesburg, Taipei, and anywhere else where there are non-Islamists. Let us show Islam that they're not the only one that can gather in great strength. I think such a display of unity would send shock waves through the Middle East like you wouldn't believe.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 09/23/2006 16:03 Comments || Top||

#6  He should debate with Iranian scholars so logic replaces his irrelevant comments,” said a leader of the protest.

Ok, that's the second article about Muslims demanding a set-piece debate, with the Pope converting when his Muslim judges deem his arguments unconvincing. This is the behaviour of an aggressive religion once it believes itself to be secure and triumphant. When Christianity was still working to convert the pagans of Europe, mostly by the tribe and the kingdom (pursuade the ruler and his people were converted by royal fiat), the leading thinkers of Christianity wrote erudite and pursuasive Apologetics, and their best students argued in front of the kings against representatives of other faiths (one such king decided the Jewish representative was the most pursuasive, and the entire kingdom remained Jewish for several centuries before being conquered by the Russians) Once the Christian character of Europe was secure, the bishops developed the habit of calling forth the local rabbis to defend the Jews' refusal to accept Christianity, the various penalties for losing being execution, conversion or expultion, generally for the entire community.

Christianity has outgrown this behaviour. Clearly the noisier parts of the Muslim Ummah feel the time is ripe when they can enforce such a situation on the only leader of Christianity they are aware of.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/23/2006 17:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Stalin's opinion of the pope reads like Ozymandius.
Posted by: Super Hose || 09/23/2006 19:17 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Suspect In Hariri Assassination On Hunger Strike
(AHN) - One of the main suspects in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri is continuing a hunger strike until there are further judicial investigations into the matter. Ali Hajj, former security chief in Lebanon, was detained on suspicion of involvement in the February 14, 2005, assassination of Hariri. Hajj's attorney Issam Karam said that his client would not halt his hunger strike without an investigation that "proves his innocence."

Hajj and three other former security officials have been on a hunger strike since Sunday in protest against a decision to move him to a newly built wing at Roumieh Central Prison. Former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri was killed by a car bomb on February 14 of last year. The international community has suspected Syrian involvement in the case, while numerous Lebanese officials have been arrested in connection to the assassination. The United Nations is expected to publish a report on the matter in the coming weeks.
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  rule #1 for hunger strikes: someone has to care if you die.
Posted by: Frank G || 09/23/2006 1:34 Comments || Top||


Iran warns Israel against new attack on Lebanon
(Xinhua) -- Iran's Expediency Council Chairman Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani on Friday warned Israel against any new attack on Lebanon or it would face unprecedented response. "The Lebanon issue is not over. Due to their shortcomings, the Israelis are still threatening sometimes, especially the military and the ruling party," Rafsanjani said, referring to the Kadima party headed by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. Rafsanjani, who is also Iran's former president, told a crowd of worshippers at Friday prayers that "they (the Israelis) must be very careful not to put fuel on the flames, but it's for sure that any new movement (from Israel) will receive an answer that they have not received before."

During the 34-day-long Israel-Hezbollah conflict which erupted on July 12, Iran's top officials had shown strong indignation at Israel and the U.S. role in supporting the Jewish state. The Iranian government denied allegations by Western countries that it had funded and armed the militants in secret, saying Iran just provided moral support for Hezbollah.
"They made all those rockets and bombs and guns and stuff in their basements, at home in south Leb!"
Posted by: Fred || 09/23/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Iran will fight these Israeli dogs to the last drop of Lebanese and Syrian blood!
Posted by: Zenster || 09/23/2006 0:45 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Global cooling effect
Posted by: anonymous2u || 09/23/2006 15:19 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "a new wave of global cooling brought on by a decline in activity in the sun"

DUH!

It's all about the sun and its cycles.

The arrogance of humans to think we can appreciably affect the Earth's climate is unbelieveable.

One decent-sized volcanic eruption puts more particulates and gasses into the atmosphere in a year that humans do. Hell, the ocean burps methane, another "greenhouse gas."

The Earth can take care of herself. There's no point in polluting or cutting down/burning trees unnecessarily, but this "chicken little" crap is ridiculous and will harm the people of this Earth a lot more than we can harm the Earth in return.

But don't tell AlGore - he won't have any way to make a living if he can't scare the general population.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 09/23/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||



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Sun 2006-09-17
  Mujahideen Army threatens Pope with suicide attack
Sat 2006-09-16
  Somali cleric calls for Muslims to hunt down and kill Pope
Fri 2006-09-15
  Muslims seethe over Pope's remarks
Thu 2006-09-14
  General Udi Adam resigns
Wed 2006-09-13
  Law, order restored to outskirts of US Embassy in Damascus
Tue 2006-09-12
  Bush rallies nation to ‘struggle for civilization’
Mon 2006-09-11
  Five Years: Never Forgive, Never Forget, Never "Understand"
Sun 2006-09-10
  NATO troops kill 60 Taliban in Afghanistan
Sat 2006-09-09
  5 more suspects held in Danish terror probe


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