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Africa Horn
Attack in Somali Capital Kills 9
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN Associated Press Made-Up Writer

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) - At least eight civilians and one policeman died in the Somali capital during an hours-long battle between Islamic insurgents and policemen, residents and police said Wednesday, adding it was the heaviest fighting in weeks in this violence-wracked city.
Meanwhile, The World Food Program, a U.N. food agency, said 50 to 60 heavily armed and uniformed members of the Somali National Security Service detained Idris Osman, the head of the agency's Mogadishu office, early Wednesday.

Osman is being held in a cell at the National Security Service headquarters. The food program has not received any explanation for the action, which they said in a statement violates international law.

"In the light of Mr. Osman's detention and in view of WFP's duty to safeguard its staff, WFP is forced immediately to suspend these distributions and the loading of WFP food from our warehouses in the Somali capital," the statement said.

No shots were fired when the officers stormed the U.N. compound in Mogadishu, the statement said.

The civilians killed during the late Tuesday battle died when mortars crashed into their houses during fighting that began when 100 insurgents blasted a police station in the south of Mogadishu with heavy machine-guns and rocket propelled grenades, residents said.

"Buildings shuddered and weapons exchanged by the two sides illuminated the sky of the city," said Abdullahi Hussein Mohamud, who also said some mortars landed near his home that is some distance away from where the battle took place.

Abdi Haji Nur, a businessman, said that the insurgents captured the station, forcing about 30 policemen based there to flee.

Gen. Yusuf Osman Hussein, director of police operations in Mogadishu, denied the insurgents seized the station, saying policemen repelled "elements of peace-haters" and lost one of their colleagues during the fighting.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/17/2007 07:36 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts


Africa North
Egypt: Two tunnels discovered near Gaza-Strip border

Egyptian security forces seized drugs, bombs, and weapons when they uncovered two tunnels linking the Egyptian border town of Rafah with the Palestinian city of the same name, pan-Arab daily al-Quds al-Arabi reported.

One of the tunnels measured almost one kilometre long, and three Palestinians were found and arrested inside one of the passages, al-Quds al-Arabi said.

The munitions found were allegedly destined to be used in attacks inside the Sinai peninsula. In the past weeks, Israeli authorities have complained to Egypt about not doing enough to stop the trafficking of weapons to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

According to Egyptian authorities, since the Islamist Hamas movement took over the Gaza Strip in June 2007, trafficking has decreased considerably.
??? Or do they mean from pleasant gaza to egypt?
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/17/2007 11:19 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Hamas had promised Egypt to end all support for anti Egyptian terror ops.

The discovery of pre positioned munitions ought to produce some anti Hamas seething within the Egyptian security forces.
Posted by: mhw || 10/17/2007 12:11 Comments || Top||

#2  I keep thinking of the demise of "No Name City" when I see these tunnel stories.
Posted by: 3dc || 10/17/2007 13:04 Comments || Top||

#3  BTW... nice prairie dog photo. (telephoto? Its hard to get close to those critters.)
Posted by: 3dc || 10/17/2007 13:05 Comments || Top||

#4  During WWII it took dozens of POWs forever to dig a tunnel just a few hundred yards long. The Paleos are using three guys to dig a kilometer-long tunnel? Doesn't add up.

Either they have hundreds of Mahmouds spreading soil through the gardens of Gaza, or they have some serious earthmoving equipment that no one can seem to find.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/17/2007 14:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I'd guess telephoto, 3dc. Look how shallow field depth is.

The Palestinians don't appear to be using teaspoons and fingernails as digging tools.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 14:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Ummm, mising is a dimension, how wide, how tall, etc, then we will know if this is a hand operation, or if they use some kind of tunneling machine.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/17/2007 20:19 Comments || Top||


Arabia
Top Yemen Qaeda suspect turns himself in, then checks out and goes home
Fugitive Al-Qaeda suspect Jamal al-Badawi, who was convicted for the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen that killed 17 American sailors, has surrendered to authorities, an official said Tuesday. Witnesses said Badawi — who featured on a US list of most-wanted terrorists with a five-million-dollar bounty on his head — had been allowed to return to his home in the southern port city of Aden. Badawi, one of 23 suspected Al-Qaeda militants who escaped from a prison in the Yemeni capital in February 2006, "gave himself up to security agencies," an interior ministry official said in a statement.

Two escapees remain at large. The others have either given themselves up or were arrested or killed by security forces. He was sentenced to death in September 2004 for the 2000 bombing of the US Navy destroyer Cole off Aden, which was claimed by Al-Qaeda, but an appeals court later commuted the sentence to 15 years in jail.

A witness in Aden told AFP that Badawi had returned to his home two days ago amid reports in the neighbourhood that authorities had allowed him to go home in return for a pledge not to engage in any violent or Al-Qaeda-related activity. Neighbours of Badawi confirmed seeing him at his home.

A source close to security services meanwhile told AFP that Badawi's surrender had come as a result of negotiations between Yemeni authorities and Al-Qaeda militants in the Arabian Peninsula country. The authorities are pursuing their hunt for the two other Al-Qaeda prison escapees who are still on the run — Kassem al-Raimi and Nasser al-Wehaishi &0151; who are considered among top militants in the group, the source said. The government is also trying to start negotiations with them through tribal mediators, the source added, requesting anonymity.

The Yemeni interior ministry had accused the fugitives of masterminding a July 2 suicide bombing in Marib, 170 kilometres (105 miles) east of Sanaa, which killed eight Spanish tourists and two local drivers. Badawi and the two fugitives are also among some three dozen Yemenis on trial on charges of planning or carrying out attacks for Al-Qaeda. These include an abortive twin attack in September 2006 on an oil refinery at Marib and petrol storage tanks at the Dhabba terminal operated by the Canadian firm Nexen in southeastern Hadramut province. A verdict is due on November 7.
This article starring:
Jamal al-Badawial-Qaeda
Kassem al-Raimial-Qaeda
Nasser al-Wehaishial-Qaeda
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Yemen

#1  Look. Their jails can't hold anybody... This dirt bag needs to be wasted with a calling card left on his body!
Posted by: 3dc || 10/17/2007 0:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Yup, cap his terrorist ass and save ourselves any payout on the $5 million bounty.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 0:45 Comments || Top||

#3  ...ummm, if he turns himself in, does he get the $5m?
Posted by: Skidmark || 10/17/2007 2:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Nice pic in the article. Jamal looks really worried...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/17/2007 9:48 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Convicted JMB man held in Bogra
A sentenced local commander of the Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB), Waliullah alias Abdul Hamid, was arrested at Darail Tarafsartaz village in Bogra's Gabtoli upazila on Monday.

Bogra Detective Branch of Police (DB) arrested the Gabtali unit chief of the terror outfit who was given a 10-year jail sentence in 2005 for possessing sulphuric acid, used for making bombs. Police said Waliullah has at least four cases against him, including one for robbery at local Brac office, which he confessed to having committed.

He told police that JMB operatives had orders from Abdul Awal, the executed son-in-law of JMB chief Shaikh Abdur Rahman, to kill 'anti-Islamic forces' -- especially judges, journalists, police, Rab and army men -- adding that JMB activists are still out to implement their ideology.

Waliullah, however, said his duty was to reach out to the people with the invitation of the terror outfit. Waliullah also admitted to having trained JMB rookies at Gabtali Taltala Upazila School and said Bogra district unit commander Mamun can make bombs and use AK-47 rifles.
This article starring:
Jamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Abdul AwalJamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Shaikh Abdur RahmanJamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Waliullah alias Abdul HamidJamaatul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh


2 criminals killed in 'shootouts'
An alleged criminal was killed in a “shootout” between him and Rab members in Rajshahi on Monday.
A "shootout", boys and girls, is when you don't have time to fake a "crossfire".
The deceased was identified as Ali Zafar Babu alias Langra Babu, 40, son of Lutfar Rahman at Resham Patty.
Dad will be so proud.
Rab said they raided Babu's house near Rajshahi Government College at about 6.30pm.
Must have been a warm-up for the later call ...
Sensing their presence, Babu fired at them prompting them to retaliate.
"Hark, I sense the presense of da law! KAPOW!"
"BANG! BANG! KAPOW! BLAM!"

Babu was injured during the shootout.
"Ouch!"
He was taken to Rajshahi Medical College Hospital where he succumbed to his injuries at 7:40pm.
"Rosebud! [Kick! Kick!][Rattle!][Twitch!]"
"He's dead, Jim"
"Sigh. Should have taken him to the Level 1 trauma center."
"This IS the level 1 trauma center!"
Rab members seized a 9mm pistol and four rounds of bullet from the scene. In a press release, Rab said Babu was a top terrorist who was involved in arms and drug smuggling.
Mom didn't love him either. That's why they mentioned only Dad.
Meanwhile, a criminal was killed yesterday in “crossfire” between his accomplices and police at Asannagar village in Chuadanga, reports our Kushtia correspondent.
This just in from our ace correspondent D.J. Wu in Kushtia...
The dead guy was identified as Tagar Ali, 26, son of Abu Daud of Binodpur in Alamdanga upazila. Police said acting on a tip-off, they cordoned off an area at Asannagar village where Tagar, chief of Mukti-Tagar Bahini, was holding a secret meeting with his accomplices at about 2:30am.
Guess it wasn't that much of a secret
Loose lips sink Bahinis.
Sensing the presence of the policemen, they fired on the law enforcers prompting them to retaliate.
"Open fire boys or we're doomed!"
Tagar was killed on the spot.
"Aaaaiiiieeee! I am undone!"
"Ouch.....rosebud.....thud"
Police arrested Tagar's father Abu Daud, 55, and accomplice Torab from the scene. They also recovered a rifle and 16 rounds of bullet. Alamdanga Police Station Officer-in-Charge (OC) Kazi Jalal Uddin was injured in the incident. Police said Tagar was accused on twelve systems in ten cases on different charges including murder.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  6:30 pm? That's pretty early for the RAB to be out crossfiring.
Posted by: SteveS || 10/17/2007 0:39 Comments || Top||

#2  And not a shutter-gun to be found. Weird.
Posted by: mojo || 10/17/2007 2:17 Comments || Top||

#3  6:30 was the "shootout", the "crossfire" was at 0230. Shutterguns have been recalled due to lead paint, I guess.
Posted by: Steve || 10/17/2007 7:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Unsafe parts made in China, no doubt.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 22:14 Comments || Top||


Europe
Rioting in Amsterstan after yoot is shot in cop shoppe
In addition, police said he was personally acquainted with Mohammed Bouyeri, the convicted killer of the late film director Theo van Gogh, as well as with other Moroccan-Dutch terrorist suspects
Moroccan-Dutch youths rioted in Amsterdam overnight Tuesday. A group of dozens of youths in the Slotervaart neighbourhood in western Amsterdam set cars on fire, damaged several other cars and threw stones through the windows of a police station.

Several television reporters who came to report on the fatal incident at the police station were threatened by Moroccan-Dutch youths.
The riots followed the death of 22-year old Dutch-born Bilal Bajaka, of Moroccan descent. On Sunday, Bajaka entered the police station of Slotervaart, stabbing two police officers with a knife. Although having sustained serious injuries, one of the officers, a policewoman, shot and killed her alleged attacker on the spot. The two police officers were later brought to the hospital where their condition was described as "serious but stable." The police and Amsterdam municipality officials announced at a press conference Monday that a national investigation had been launched into the incident.

The police also added that Bajaka had a criminal record. From the age of 13 up to his death on Sunday, the police said, Bajaka had been involved in several major criminal incidents, including armed robberies and a series of violent incidents. He was allegedly part of a criminal gang.

In addition, police said he was personally acquainted with Mohammed Bouyeri, the convicted killer of the late film director Theo van Gogh, as well as with other Moroccan-Dutch terrorist suspects. Mohammed Bouyeri and the others allegedly involved in terrorist activities also came from the Slotervaart neighbourhood.

The atmosphere in Slotervaart was grim following the police press conference on Monday. Moroccan-Dutch residents of Slotervaart complained to reporters they were "sick and tired" of continuous "negative news reports" about fellow Moroccan-Dutch, adding they felt increasingly stigmatized. Responding to the riots, Ahmed Marcouch, Moroccan-born chairman of the Slotervaart city council, said "it is always the same horrible people spoiling things for everyone."

Several television reporters who came to report on the fatal incident at the police station were threatened by Moroccan-Dutch youths.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/17/2007 01:24 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah, well, posted a dupe... although somewhat edited... mods, pls remove from the queue.

Although having sustained serious injuries, one of the officers, a policewoman, shot and killed her alleged attacker on the spot like a rabid dog he was.

Responding to the riots, Ahmed Marcouch, Moroccan-born chairman of the Slotervaart city council, said "it is always the same horrible people spoiling things for everyone."

How True! [now who that may be? Mennonites?]
Posted by: twobyfour || 10/17/2007 3:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Bajaka entered the police station of Slotervaart, stabbing two police officers with a knife.

Young terrorist initiates a deadly assault upon local police officers. CHECK!

a policewoman, shot and killed her alleged attacker on the spot

Valiant officer halts attack with lethal force. CHECK!

Bajaka had been involved in several major criminal incidents, including armed robberies and a series of violent incidents.

Perp was known criminal with extensive history of violence. CHECK!

he was personally acquainted with Mohammed Bouyeri, the convicted killer of the late film director Theo van Gogh

Known associate of convicted terrorist murderer. CHECK!

dozens of youths in the Slotervaart neighbourhood in western Amsterdam set cars on fire, damaged several other cars and threw stones through the windows of a police station.

Yoots riot because one of their homies got capped during an assault in progress. CHECK!

Whiff of grapeshot direly needed in Slotervaart.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 3:35 Comments || Top||

#3  Check out the APe's incredibly obtuse and cowardly report in the similarly craven International Herald-Tribune. Both are haji-whorehouses of the lowest order, not even fit to wrap fish.

This one does not even mention rioters, let alone that they were Morroccan rioters or (heaven forbid) Islamic rioters. It does not even give the dead man's full name. Note that the diagnosis of mental illness comes only from his family, yet the APes state it as fact in the headline.

They are the enemy.

Posted by: Lord Piltdown || 10/17/2007 4:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Zenster, I'm not arguing with your points but, IMHO, you---not being EUro pol/jurist reached a wrong conclusion. I think the officers will be suspended pending an investigation.
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/17/2007 6:28 Comments || Top||

#5  The officers would be suspended with pay in the States too while the internal investigation is conducted, but I agree with Gr0m, these Dutch officers have walked their last beat.

The Euro press all have a policy of only identifying suspects by their first name and last initial.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/17/2007 7:12 Comments || Top||

#6  The Euro press all have a policy of only identifying suspects by their first name and last initial.

In France, the usual way to spot a suspect is a Youth is to notice the name is curiously absent.
If the full name is given, then, you'll notice it is always a french or european name.

Rationale is, the public must be protected against its own Raaaaaciiiisst impulses, this was explicitely stated by media figures on various occasions (such as during the coverign of the 2005 ramadan riots)... also, very frequently, the suspect is not shown directly on teevee, on top of the usual blurring of the face & handcuffs, but this is only a fig leaf, as the wrists show the skin color of the suspect is often... darker than a fair swedish maid's complexion.

This has evolved over the last couple of years; now, the MSM will be more straightforward and simply honest, by giving the first name... OR, on the contrary, by giving an european first name, but mentioning the "names have been changed" (while the context suggests a strong Youth probability).
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/17/2007 7:25 Comments || Top||

#7  Give those cops a freakin' pay raise...
Posted by: Raj || 10/17/2007 8:09 Comments || Top||

#8  It's obviously the infidel cops' fault for being at the police station when a member of the faultless master race felt like killing a few pigs and monkeys. Go to the nearest mosque, kneel and abjectly apologize for not consenting to become pincushions as allah clearly intended.
Posted by: ed || 10/17/2007 8:36 Comments || Top||

#9  sounds like washington state when a "youth" walked into a Jewish business and stabbed a woman for no apparent reason other than that she was at the Jewish place of Business. I think that Washington handled it roughly the same way that the Dutch will.
Posted by: Goober Omaiper6379 || 10/17/2007 10:14 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm for similar 9mm "Dutch Treats" for all Holland's, Germany, France, Spain, United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, criminal muzzie population.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/17/2007 11:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Rioters should be rounded up and held in solitary without access to lawyers, each other, or Korans. Call it a time-out. Then they can be released. A second offense is a one-way ticket to North Africa. A third ensures there is no fourth offense.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 10/17/2007 11:53 Comments || Top||

#12  Why would you want to use 9mm when there are perfectly good 45ACP treats available?
Posted by: Canuckistan sniper || 10/17/2007 12:01 Comments || Top||

#13  Moroccan-Dutch residents of Slotervaart complained to reporters they were "sick and tired" of continuous "negative news reports" about fellow Moroccan-Dutch, adding they felt increasingly stigmatized. Responding to the riots, Ahmed Marcouch, Moroccan-born chairman of the Slotervaart city council, said "it is always the same horrible people spoiling things for everyone."

Well, boo fuckin hoo hoo...
Geez. Some possible solutions might be...maybe you could quit acting like animals? Maybe turning in those among you who do? Maybe kick your own kids asses when they pull this shit?
Or would that cut down on all the free guvmint cheese you're gonna "demand" to make you feel all better?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/17/2007 12:02 Comments || Top||

#14  Can't frickin' believe it.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 10/17/2007 12:30 Comments || Top||

#15  TU let me add.

Moroccan-Dutch Porkoranimals residents of Slotervaart complained to reporters they were "sick and tired" of continuous "negative honest news reports" about fellow muslime terrorists, adding they felt increasingly stigmatizedexposed

Despite the MSM leading the West into Dhimmitude, some stories are getting out.

Deport the rioting islamics AND their families then close down any and all mosques they have attended. This is a world war folks.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 13:34 Comments || Top||

#16  Bilal B had spent time in jail for a string of violent offences and was known to have had contact with the so-called Hofstad terrorist group in 2005.

He also had psychiatric problems and was sent to a clinic in April 2007. He was released in August but returned of his own free will last Friday because he felt suicidal, De Wit said.

On Sunday morning he asked to go out under supervision, but shook off his supervisor and headed for the police station. At the police station in the Slotervaart area Bilal B jumped over the counter and stabbed the female desk sergeant and a male colleague who went to help. The sergeant managed to draw her weapon and fired. Bilal B died shortly afterwards.

Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 13:52 Comments || Top||

#17  The sergeant managed to draw her weapon and fired. Bilal B died shortly afterwards.


Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Posted by: Crusader || 10/17/2007 14:10 Comments || Top||

#18  Bilal Bajaka was in contact with members of the Hofstad islamic terrorist organisation in 2005. Chief public prosecutor Leo de Wit said this at a press conference on Monday.

The police and the General Intelligence and Security Service, AIVD had had consultations about Bilal B’s contacts with the Hofstad terrorists, according to De Wit. "Several members of the Hofstad group were detained on 14 October 2005, two years ago yesterday. Bilal was heard as a witness and was scrutinised by the police.

In April of this year the judge ordered that the man, who was suffering from psychological disorders, be admitted to the Valerius clinic. He was discharged in August, according to the public prosecutor. Last Friday the man returned to the clinic of his own accord suffering from suicidal tendencies. On Saturday he joined the festivities marking the end of the Ramandan outside the clinic and later returned. On Sunday morning he left again at his own request with a supervisor. At 11.30 he shook off his supervisor, after which the tragic incident at the police station took place.

Bilal B. had been appearing in the police data bank since 1998. In that year he was involved in a serious violent offence. He attacked and wounded a person with a screwdriver. During the following years he has been involved in property offences. He belonged to the so-called hard core muslim youths of Slotervaart and ended up in a prison cell on various occasions. From October 2003 he was serving a 15-month-prison sentence for a property offence. In the spring of 2007 it appeared that he had psychological problems.

Police chief Bernard Welten said at the press conference that the medical operations on the two injured police officers had been successful. The female police sergeant who had fired the shot, was stabbed in the chest and twice in the back. A pulmonary artery was hit and her lung was perforated. The bleeding was stopped and the perforation sealed. "Hence the operation can be said to be successful," Welten said. "Her condition is satisfactory."

Her male colleague was stabbed five times and had several cuts in his face and shoulders. An artery in his head was hit and was stitched. The stabbing of his throat was deep and the wind pipe was hit. "This colleague too is doing well given the circumstances," Welten said..

B. appeared at the police station at around noon on Sunday and almost immediately jumped across the reception desk. He began stabbing away at the police officer on duty who was behind the desk. He stabbed her in the chest. She jumped up and tried to escape but the man ran after her and stabbed her twice again. A male colleague who rushed to help her was stabbed in the throat and shoulder, whereupon the female police officer got her gun and fired at the man. He succumbed to his wounds shortly afterwards


Sounds like islamic rage proving once again that it helps to be insane to be a muslim terrorist. The sad part is how would this boy's life have been different had he been brought up in a good hard working Lutheran farm family somewhere in Iowa. That and good mental health help. In a way I feel sorry for him.

None of which excuses the islamic attitudes and koran driven violence by his fellow muslims in Slotervaart.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 14:11 Comments || Top||

#19  these Dutch officers have walked their last beat

If so, it can mean only one of two things:

1. Europe can kiss its own sorry ass goodbye.

2. Europe 's only chance at surviving will make Hitler look like a Boy Scout.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 14:45 Comments || Top||

#20  "Ahmed Marcouch, Moroccan-born chairman of the Slotervaart city council, said "it is always the same horrible people spoiling things for everyone."

Well Ahmed...I totally agree. Perhaps not the way you intended...but I agree non the less.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 10/17/2007 15:04 Comments || Top||

#21  Dutch TV News show "Netwerk" reports that Bilal Bajaka his brother Abdullah Bajaka was the leader in a terrorist plan of blowing up an El-Al Boeing at Schiphol airport. For this Abdullah was two years ago arrested, but was soon released again, due to lack of evidence.

Bilal had visited the nearby mosque, before doing his attack. He might even have received his weapon of attack there. Because he had just escaped his supervisor of the mental institution a half hour before. It's unlikely, though not impossible, that he already had the knife when he escaped.

Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf reports that according to a manager of the mental clinic Bilal was not schizophrenic criminal, he was friendly and cooperative guy, who was never was aggressive. In other words he was just treated for his mere suicidal tendencies. He also was from a well to do family and was a smart student. And a Muslim.

Dutch Weblog geenstijl has a video report (Dutch) on it's site. They interviewed people in the area. The Dutch people were either in denial or told how horrible it all was. The Moroccan muzzy people however told the blog reporter they could understand the riots. The police, according to them, does not have the right to shoot to kill. Police should always shoot non lethal in the leg. Unspoken, but not to miss, is the fact, that they mean that no unbeliever human should kill a believer muslim. Even in this kind of obvious self-defense.

The Dutch police meanwhile looks like a joke. This evening "youths" again burned a car in front of the police station. Again nobody was apprehended. The Deescalation policy of the government seems to have no limits. But the fact that the police keeps enforcing this shameful police, shows that the institution is rotten to the core. They lack any kind of self respect.

Islam in Europe writes that Bilal Bajaka his sister is married to Samir Azzouz's. Samir is one of Dutch most well known convicted terrorists. I just wonder, is this the sister who is also a Dutch judge?

HT kleinverzet.blogspot.com
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 15:07 Comments || Top||

#22  Ummmm ... folks, couldn't Islam's preoccupation with martyrdom be justifiably construed as "suicidal tendencies"? In that one respect alone all Muslims exhibit mental illness. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 15:18 Comments || Top||

#23  "I don't feel bad 'bout it. I mean, he had a knife inta me."
-- Tom Joad
Posted by: mojo || 10/17/2007 15:20 Comments || Top||

#24  LOL, nice,,,, point.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 18:00 Comments || Top||

#25  Examine the body. If the body hair has been shaved, it's Sudden Jihad Syndrome. Otherwise, suicide by cop. Either way, Mr. Bouyeri got exactly what he wanted. Shouldn't his fellow Muslims be happy for him?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 18:47 Comments || Top||

#26  TW I'd be sureprised if the Mental health clinic let him have a knife. Betting he got it from the mosque.

re: #33 ibrodsky
Muslims riot, torch, and kill because they are offended by the immorality of Western society.

And all this time I thought it was what their false god required.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 19:22 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Blast destroys 4 shops, damages dozen others
GHALANAI: Unidentified militants blew up four shops, one of them a CD shop, at Mian Mandi Bazaar in Mohmand Agency late on Sunday night, officials said. According to the political administration, the two blasts completely pulverised all four shops and partially damaged around a dozen nearby, but caused no loss of life.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


Ceasefire after Pakistan Border Bloodshed: Tribal Elder
The Pakistan military and militants have agreed a temporary ceasefire following some of the bloodiest clashes along the Afghan border for six years, a tribal elder said Tuesday.
Maybe I'm a little tired. Is the ceasefire for six years? Or is it the bloodiest fighting in six years? Or have they been fighting for six years?
Elders have been leading talks to try to broker the truce in Miranshah, the main town in the lawless tribal zone of North Waziristan, after fierce fighting last week that officials say left around 250 people dead. "A temporary ceasefire has been agreed and four army checkposts in the area have been abolished," said Faizullah Khan, who heads the local tribal council, adding it was reached Monday night.
Did the government get anything in return?
The military denied however a ceasefire had been agreed, saying talks with the jirga, or tribal peace committee, were ongoing and a decision was expected later Tuesday. "As far as security forces are concerned, negotiations for a ceasefire are continuing and a final decision is expected today," chief military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad said. "We have eased restrictions to facilitate movement of civilians in the area," Arshad said.

Fighting halted last Wednesday to allow tribesmen to bury some 50 people killed in a military airstrike that hit the village of Ippi. There has been almost no clashes since amid ongoing talks and as Pakistan celebrates Eid al-Fitr, the Muslim festival at the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.

The military says 50 foreign militants including Arabs were among 200 rebels killed in the fighting which erupted ten days ago, indicating the involvement of Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network. Another 46 Pakistani soldiers have also died, the military says, while residents say many of the dead were civilians. There has been no way to independently verify any of the claims.
As a rule of thumb, let's make the usual assumptions that a.) the military is under-reporting its casualties because it doesn't like admitting to being incompetent as a fighting force; b.) that the Pak military's over-reporting the number of deaders on the other side, for the same reasons; c.) that the jirga is on the side of the Talibs and for that reason d.) is over-reporting the number and/or status of civilians.
Hundreds of foreign militants loyal to Bin Laden fled across the border from Afghanistan after US-led forces ousted that country's hardline Taliban regime in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. Fighting has centred near the town of Mir Ali, which has been identified by US ally President Pervez Musharraf as an Al-Qaeda haunt. The clashes were the culmination of three months of violence sparked by a government raid on an Al-Qaeda-linked mosque in Islamabad in July and the collapse of a controversial peace deal in North Waziristan.
This article starring:
Faizullah Khan, who heads the local tribal council
Major General Waheed Arshad
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: Taliban


Iraq
Shia tribal leaders afraid of Shia Islamists in southern districts
Tribal leaders warn Islamism on rise (reuters)
Oct 17, 2007 9:14 AM

Shi'ite Islamist political parties are imposing strict Islamic rules in the oil-producing southern provinces of Iraq and using their armed wings to create a state of fear, a group of tribal Shi'ite leaders said...

"Fear rules the streets now," said one of the sheikhs.

"We cannot speak our minds..."

The fear is not unfounded - two provincial governors and a police chief were blown up by roadside bombs in August...
Aides to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the reclusive religious leader of Iraq's Shi'ites, have also been killed.

The sheikhs said the conservative religious attitudes meant only religious music was now allowed to be played in public places and dancing was forbidden, as was drinking alcohol.

Women were also harassed for wearing clothing deemed inappropriate.

Photographs of secular political leaders like former interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi could not be displayed in shops and other public areas.

[If it weren't so serious I'd get a good laugh out of the fact that these pious Muslims are terrified of the actual results of Sharia justice while somehow blanking out the fact that Sharia justice is the goal of Islam]
Posted by: mhw || 10/17/2007 14:05 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Reuters reporter makes it sound like the Shiite sheikhs are ripe for an Anbar Awakening of their own.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 14:22 Comments || Top||


Iraq Drawdown to Begin in Volatile Area
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 10/17/2007 13:03 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The unit leaving in December, the 3rd Brigade of the 1st Cavalry, has been in Iraq since October 2006. When it leaves, the 4th Stryker Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division, now in Salahuddin province, will add Diyala to its area of responsibility.

Will the incoming 4th Stryker Brigade find they need to start over building trust with the local tribes that the 3 Brigade, 1st Cavalry had established?
Posted by: eLarson || 10/17/2007 14:19 Comments || Top||


Roadside Bomb Kills 7 Iraqi Police
Like most AP articles, this one is all over the place, with the headlined news being only a couple paragraphs. Hit the link to see the original piece. Who in the world trains journalists to write like this? I'm going to try and straighten it out, but I fear it's hopeless.
BAGHDAD (AP) - A roadside bomb exploded near a police patrol, killing at least seven officers in a Shiite area south of Baghdad that has seen fierce clashes between rival militia factions.

Wednesday's deadliest attack occurred before dawn just east of Diwaniyah, 80 miles south of Baghdad, when a three-vehicle police convoy was struck by a roadside bomb. Authorities said seven policemen, including the patrol leader, were killed.

The area around Diwaniyah has seen recent clashes among rival Shiite groups, along with violence against U.S.-led forces. Suspected militia fighters fired mortars at two military bases and shot at a Polish helicopter south of Baghdad on Monday, prompting a gunbattle that left as five Iraqi civilians dead and scores wounded, including two Polish soldiers.
Now, on to another news tidbit:
To the north, a suicide bomber driving an explosives-laden truck struck a checkpoint manned by Kurdish forces in a volatile province where U.S. commanders have decided to begin the drawdown of American forces, marking a turning point in the mission. The attack in a mountainous area near the Iranian border killed at least one Kurdish soldier and wounding more than 10 others, a spokesman for the Kurdish forces said.

The spokesman, Jabbar Yawir, said the dead and wounded men were part of a brigade that arrived in the region last month as part of a U.S.- Iraqi security crackdown that began in February.

Iraqi forces are frequently targeted by extremists on both sides of the sectarian divide trying to deal a blow to U.S.-led efforts to enable the national troops to take over security so American forces can go home.

Police officials in Diyala province said two Kurdish soldiers had been killed and 12 wounded in the 8:30 a.m. attack near Jalula, 80 miles northeast of Baghdad. Nobody claimed responsibility for the attack against the Kurdish troops, but the suicide bombing bore the hallmarks of al-Qaida in Iraq, which has staged several attacks recently after promising an offensive to coincide with the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which ended this week.
Snip the rest, which consisted of news fragments glued together.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/17/2007 07:43 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


In Iraq, a veteran Marine gunner sees a war to be won
HABBINIYAH, IRAQ - Marine Gunner Terry Walker says the Iraq war is still America's war to win.

As pressure builds on the Bush administration to give the war its final push, Gunner Walker is a stalwart. This 51-year-old marine, on his third tour in Iraq, is the face of members of the US military who say the job can still be done, despite the odds.

Walker, a wiry intellectual with glasses and a chirpy exuberance, joined the Corps at age 17, straight from high school in Rittman, Ohio. Now, he directs training for the Iraqi security forces at a US base in Anbar Province, driven by a personal quest to help transform the Middle East. A serious guy, he says the US war in Iraq will have a "revolutionary" impact on the region.

"It's how to inculcate within these people the idea that you can win this fight," he says, referring as much to the Iraqi soldiers he trains as the American public that he knows still needs convincing. "It's about vision." Here in Habbaniyah, a former British air base distinguished by its Western-style barracks and palm tree-lined roads, Walker leads a group of about 50 trainers and interpreters, which grew from about 15 American instructors that he handpicked to come here and, quite literally, teach Iraqi soldiers and policemen how to shoot straight.

Largely motivated by their love of shooting, the US trainers take Iraqis who have already graduated from basic training to refine their marksmanship, safety, and weapons-maintenance skills. The hope is that the Iraqi students take these newfound abilities back to their units, making all the Iraqi security forces stronger and more professional – and able to defend their own country, Walker says.

But it's not clear that everyone shares Walker's optimism about his Iraqi students.

An independent panel commissioned by Congress to assess the Iraqi security forces recently gave mixed marks to those forces, but said that even with more improvement over time, the Army and police will still not be able to operate independently anytime within the next 12 to 18 months.

"The panel finds that, in general, the Iraqi Security Forces, military and police, have made uneven progress, but that there should be increasing improvement in both their readiness and their capability to provide for the internal security of Iraq," the report concluded.

The report was portrayed by some US lawmakers as proof that progress in training Iraqi security forces has become a losing proposition.

At this, Walker bristles.

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Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 10/17/2007 03:52 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  "It's how to inculcate within these people the idea that you can win this fight,"

Beside the fact that this is a Marine who uses words like "inclucate" the most remarkable thing about this piece is something seldom written or discussed - winning. Not us winning but the Iraqi's winning. That is the right approach, philosophy and doctriine - they need to feel that they can win, not just us.
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/17/2007 8:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Walker, a wiry intellectual with glasses and a chirpy exuberance, joined the Corps at age 17, straight from high school

Interesting description by the Christian Science Monitor of a career Marine.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 22:22 Comments || Top||


Iraq bombs kill 10 in Baghdad, northern city
Bombs targeting an Iraqi army patrol in the capital Baghdad and a police station in the north of the country on Tuesday killed at least 10 people and wounded 100, police said.

Three soldiers and three civilians died when a car bomb parked in Sa'adoun Street in central Baghdad exploded by an Iraqi army patrol. Five soldiers and 20 civilians were wounded. A truck bomb in the northern city of Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, destroyed a police station, killing at least four people and wounding some 75, police said. In the eastern Baghdad district of Zayouna, gunmen attacked a police checkpoint killing three policemen and wounding two.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


3 men tied to Al Qaeda in Iraq killed
The U.S. military announced Monday that it had killed three suspected terrorists with ties to Al Qaeda in Iraq and captured 30 more in a series of operations in central and northern Iraq between Saturday and early Monday.

The United States still considers the group its chief obstacle to establishing security in Iraq, but U.S. military leaders have been encouraged by a recent series of successful strikes. The blows against the group in the last three days came after strikes last week near Tharthar Lake in the northern province of Salahuddin in which the military said 19 suspected leaders of the group were killed. Those strikes also killed 15 civilians.

On Saturday, U.S. forces killed the three suspected terrorists in an airstrike on two boats southwest of Samarra, about 60 miles north of Baghdad. The U.S. launched the attack after a man under surveillance boarded a boat and later rendezvoused with a second craft, and people aboard began transferring weapons and equipment, military officials said. Ground forces later found a weapons cache at a site tied to one of the men aboard.

For most of the year, the U.S. command in Baghdad has described operations against Al Qaeda in Iraq as its "main effort." Many units sent to Iraq as part of the U.S. troop buildup this year were stationed outside the capital in an area known as the Baghdad belts to try to eliminate havens used by insurgents affiliated with Al Qaeda. The bulk of those operations were considered successful, and the number of major bombings in Baghdad during the U.S. "surge" showed a decline. The developments prompted military officials in September to consider whether they had been successful enough against Al Qaeda in Iraq to formally label the group their secondary target. However, after a slight increase in attacks attributed to insurgents tied to Al Qaeda, top military leaders shelved any proposal to change strategy or target priorities. And they are loath to declare victory over a resilient enemy, only to have it come back and pull off another large-scale attack, a senior military official based in Baghdad said.

The group has proved its ability to continue to launch attacks even in a weakened state, and has showed itself to be a tough enemy to vanquish in Diyala, Salahuddin and even Anbar province, where the U.S. military said it has had its greatest successes against the group. Just a month ago, insurgents killed Sheik Abdul Sattar Rishawi, the leader of an anti-Al Qaeda tribal group who was perhaps the U.S.'s most high-profile ally in Anbar.

Asked during a recent tour of Baghdad's Karada district if the U.S. had reached a "tipping point" against Al Qaeda in Iraq, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, said: "I wouldn't say that for the whole country. . . . There are areas where Al Qaeda is trying to come back, certainly. And where local forces are holding their own but have to go out and do more work. So again this is still very much a work in progress."

Meanwhile, as many as five civilians were killed and 20 wounded in clashes between Shiite Muslim militants and Western military forces in the southern city of Diwaniya, including a number of children, police said. The fighting began Monday morning with shelling of U.S. and Polish military bases in the region, and lasted for at least an hour. U.S. forces launched airstrikes in return. There were no immediate reports of casualties among the military, but police and hospital sources said up to five civilians were killed and 20 were wounded. It was not clear if the civilian injuries resulted from the initial attacks by militants or from the military's return fire.

In the southern city of Basra, the body of a professor from Baghdad University was found in a street. The academic, Amin Abdul-Aziz, had been kidnapped recently from his home in Basra.

In Baghdad, a suicide bomber drove a car laden with explosives into a public square in the Harthiya area, where children were playing to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr holiday marking the end of the holy month of Ramadan. The bombing killed four people and wounded 25, police said.
This article starring:
Amin Abdul-Aziz
Gen. David H. Petraeus
Sheik Abdul Sattar Rishawi
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq

#1  Harry Reid and Zawahiri say the coaliton forces cannot win in Iraq. This is the 21st century equivalent of the Hitler/Stalin pact.

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Posted by: Galactic Coordinator Shins1195 || 10/17/2007 7:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Like the graphic, Shins.
Posted by: Mike || 10/17/2007 9:31 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Terrorists Arrested, Self-Proclaimed Messiah Shot by Hamas
Two terrorists from Fatah and Hamas were arrested in Shechem Tuesday after a 20-hour manhunt. IDF sources say one of the men was previously involved in a suicide bombing in Jerusalem.
And he's still alive? What kind of 'suicide bombing' was that?
A weapons cache near where the terrorists were caught contained two mortar shells that were to be used to create bombs. IDF soldiers arrested five other wanted terrorists on Tuesday night, in Kalkilya. The detainees are being questioned.

An Arab terrorist hurled firebombs at IDF troops on a counter-terrorism operation Tuesday night in the village of Anabta, east of Tul Karem. The Arab threw three firebombs and was about to throw a fourth when he was shot by the IDF. His condition is unknown. No IDF injuries were reported.

A Gaza man incurred the anger of a Hamas-affiliated preacher in Gaza Tuesday by claiming to be the Mahdi, or Muslim redeemer. The man went to the Imam to seek his endorsement and instruct him to tell Muslims to follow his instructions. The Imam reacted by summoning armed Hamas men, who arrived and told the self-proclaimed redeemer to take back his claims. When the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi, police shot him in the foot and then released him.
"Where is your God, now?"
Another Maan report says a Gaza family was attacked Monday after refusing to allow Hamas terrorists to paint pro-Hamas slogans on the walls of their home. Several hours following the refusal, the house was attacked, with two grenades thrown at the building. The house was damaged, but none of the residents were hurt.

Judea and Samaria Arabs Stock up on Arms

The price of weapons in Judea, Samaria and Gaza has continued to soar amidst fears of a new breakout of clashes between rival terrorists, Reuters reports. The price of an M-16 semi-automatic rifle has risen to approximately $11,000 in Hevron, double the price of two years ago.

In Jenin, a single bullet for an AK-47 assault rifle currently costs almost $9, whereas the price in Gaza is less than $1.50 a bullet.

Israeli-Arab Who Transported Terrorist Facing Justice

The Haifa district court is expected to reach a verdict on Wednesday in the case of Fikri Mansour, an Israel Arab from the northern town of Jat, who is accused of transporting a suicide bomber in 2005. Mansour allegedly brought the bomber to the Hadera market, where he murdered six people and wounded dozens more. Mansour has been charged with six counts of being an accomplice to murder, dozens of counts of assisting in an attempted murder, being an accomplice to an attack causing injury, aiding the enemy in a time of war, and illegal transport.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/17/2007 08:53 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  9$ for a Kalachnikov bullet? That is more than a Paleo is worth.
Posted by: JFM || 10/17/2007 9:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Mansour has been charged with six counts of being an accomplice to murder, dozens of counts of assisting in an attempted murder, being an accomplice to an attack causing injury, aiding the enemy in a time of war, and illegal transport.


Add exxcess speed and unauthorized parking.
Posted by: JFM || 10/17/2007 9:17 Comments || Top||

#3  When the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi, police shot him in the foot

Islam. The Religion of Peace Enlightenment Compassion Understanding Foot Shooting
Posted by: PlanetDan || 10/17/2007 9:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, those Hamas cops better hope he isn't the real deal, or the Mahdi will be back to kick some serious ass once his limp heals up...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/17/2007 10:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Let me guess; There's not a single Muslim country where bullets are manufactured. Is that possible ?
Posted by: wxjames || 10/17/2007 10:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Do they charge extra for the cartridge?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 10:52 Comments || Top||

#7  "Try Bethlehem, pal."
Posted by: mojo || 10/17/2007 11:04 Comments || Top||

#8  ...the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi...

I think I have it figured out. The iman thought he was saying he was the mahdi, but he was really saying he was the reincarnation of Bea Arthur. He was saying, "here comes, Maude. Here comes Maude".
Posted by: anymouse || 10/17/2007 11:49 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm pretty sure that the majority of Sunni muslims who accepts the Madhi theology think that the Madhi is suppose to appear in Mecca.
Posted by: mhw || 10/17/2007 12:44 Comments || Top||

#10  A Gaza man incurred the anger of a Hamas-affiliated preacher in Gaza Tuesday by claiming to be the Mahdi, or Muslim redeemer. The man went to the Imam to seek his endorsement and instruct him to tell Muslims to follow his instructions. The Imam reacted by summoning armed Hamas men, who arrived and told the self-proclaimed redeemer to take back his claims. When the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi, police shot him in the foot and then released him.

Well, he must be hopping mad about that...

Since there are no 7-11s in Gaza,where are Street Preacher-Holy Men supposed to go?
Posted by: BigEd || 10/17/2007 13:56 Comments || Top||

#11  When the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi, police shot him in the foot and then released him.

"Next time your messianic complex kicks in, don't come running to us!"

Another Maan report says a Gaza family was attacked Monday after refusing to allow Hamas terrorists to paint pro-Hamas slogans on the walls of their home.

[knock knock]

"Who's there?"

"Gaza Home Vandalization Service"

"Umm ... no thanks, not today."

"Free second color."

"I'll have to talk it over with the wife."

"No charge for touch-ups."

"I really don't think so."

"Hokay, we'll send over our landscaping salesman in a few hours."

"What?"

"He'll rearrange your front yard for free."

"Well, all right, I suppose."

"You'll get a bang out of it, I'm sure."

"Wha ...?"

"Goodbye for now."

In Jenin, a single bullet for an AK-47 assault rifle currently costs almost $9, whereas the price in Gaza is less than $1.50 a bullet.

Verily and lo, the menfolk of Jenin were without gunsex and a great unhappiness befell them in their unwonted quietude.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 14:28 Comments || Top||

#12  wxjames, pakistanis make guns of all different sorts in little shops so i'm pretty sure they make bullets too. counterfeits but effective
Posted by: sinse || 10/17/2007 17:43 Comments || Top||

#13  So I guess a camel can only carry 4,000 or so rounds for the 5 week walk from Pakiland to Gaza. Overhead charges and thugs along the way cut into the profits, so ammo could reach $86 a barrel by Friday. Is there a futures market in ammo ?
Posted by: wxjames || 10/17/2007 18:29 Comments || Top||

#14  Let's send these fools 7.62X39 in enough quantity to meet all their needs, at ten bucks a shot,
Free at no extra charge every 15 rounds(or so, make it random)is loaded with TNT, (Claim we're low on powder supplies)

Should solve several problrms at once.
1, Make them so broke future purchases are not posible.
2. Eliminate the shooters as they hit that TNT load.
3. Teach them that we can also lie, and kill.
4. Help their gene pool by weeding out the violent and stupid.
5. More I'm sure, but I can't think of them right now.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/17/2007 20:14 Comments || Top||


IDF troops arrest two Palestinian terror suspects in Nablus
An IDF Givati Brigade force in Nablus on Tuesday arrested two Palestinian terror suspects who had been on the run from troops since Monday night, the army said. The two were found hiding in a building in the West Bank town. In the back yard of the building, soldiers found guns and ammunition.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under: Fatah

#1  FREEREPUBLIC > JPOST - SYRIA now admitting that Israel did indeed strike/attack a NUCLEAR FACILITY.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/17/2007 3:10 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
The HK (hunter-killer) from Terminator is finally here!
Low risk environment?

VIDEO

The HK (hunter-killer) from Terminator is finally here! Thank goodness it’s still human controlled – at the moment. The MQ-9 Reaper, when compared with the 1995-vintage Predator, represents a major upgrade. At five tons, the Reaper is four times heavier than the Predator. Its size - 36 feet long, with a 66-foot wingspan - is comparable to the profile of the awesome A-10 Thunderbolt II. It can fly twice as fast and twice as high as the Predator. Most significantly, it carries many more weapons. While the Predator is armed with two Hellfire missiles, the Reaper can carry 14 of the air-to-ground weapons - or four Hellfires and two 500-pound bombs (holy cow!). It is able to fly at 300 mph and reach 50,000 feet. The Reaper is loaded, but there's no one on board. Its pilot, as it bombs targets in Iraq, will sit at a video console 7,000 miles away in Nevada. The US Air Force is building a 400,000 sq ft expansion of the concrete ramp area now used for Predator drones at Balad, the biggest air base in Iraq, 50 miles north of Baghdad. General Atomics of San Diego has built at least nine of the MQ-9s thus far, at a cost of $69 million per set of four aircraft, with ground equipment. The Air Force's 432nd Wing, a UAV unit formally established on May 1, is to eventually fly 60 Reapers and 160 Predators. The Reaper is expected to be flown as the Predator is - by a two-member team of pilot and sensor operator who work at computer control stations and video screens that display what the UAV ‘sees’.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 10/17/2007 13:51 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When they say "comparable" to the A-10, they are being very selective as to what they mean. Other than its impressive lethality, the A-10 is known for its survivability. That plane will still fly when blown to bits. But it has to have a pilot to guide it in--a damaged A-10 must have a pilot.

While Reaper may be good, if they have been lost due to heavy enemy fire, they are gone.

To me this implies that later editions of the Reaper are going to need high tech advanced armor to overcome this disadvantage. And as any combat pilot will tell you, more weapons are always better.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/17/2007 14:39 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes, though the greater contrast is in how the two vehicles are used. The A-10 is providing close air support to Marines while the Reaper is hardly going to be expected to do strafing runs.

Strap an AN/GAU-8a 30mm Avenger seven-barrel gatling gun to one of those suckers and then we can talk about armoring up...
Posted by: Excalibur || 10/17/2007 14:52 Comments || Top||

#3  Guns are a bad bet vs. bombs / missiles for these birds. The gun itself is heavy, and it's dead weight when out of rounds to fire. The ammo is heavy too, limiting how much can be carried.
Maybe something caseless like the Metalstorm would be better, but it's still experimental.
Posted by: M. Murcek || 10/17/2007 15:04 Comments || Top||

#4  It's a machine. We're still good at making machines. We're really good at making lots of machines.

We also have vastly more "operators" with video game experience, than pilots who meet flight training requirements.
Posted by: Omomorong Bourbon8318 || 10/17/2007 15:25 Comments || Top||

#5  I read an article elsewhere that the F-16 is now more accurate at strafing than the A-10 because of the electro-optical fire control system it now uses. But it is not clear how low it can fly and take the groundfire.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 15:52 Comments || Top||

#6  Think out of the box for just a second.

For the cost of a single sortie of 2 A-10's, You could have 10 Reapers fly ovals in a sort of old "lufbery circle" fashion over a part of the battlefield day and night 7 days a week, and still rotate individual Reapers out for replenishing(think of 15 as the standard "squadron", 1 down for maintenance, with 10 on station, and 4 in perpetual rotation). On station Reapers would be guided to their targets (with laser like precision )by ground pounders on the battlefield as they need the firepower.

So, you get the "high ground", you get super accurate artillery from the sky and since they cost so little by comparison to traditional aircraft, you can get a whole lot of them and you can base them close to the action.

The big expensive to make and hard to replace pilot gets to work a standard 8 hour shift in air conditioned comfort and still gets to home at the end of the day to watch spongebob with the kids at Nellis base housing.

So, whats not to like?
Posted by: frank martin || 10/17/2007 17:25 Comments || Top||

#7  ahhhh... The MQ-9 Reaper.. Making Miscreants quiver everywhere.

/including WaZoo Land!
Posted by: Red Dawg || 10/17/2007 17:37 Comments || Top||

#8  Frank where are you getting your figures from? Just wondering.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 17:47 Comments || Top||

#9  Lest we fergit, the USDOD was planning to give the HELLFIRE new air-to-air capabilities, i.e. UAV vs UAV/Fixed-Wing/Helo air combat. Air-to-air ZUNI types also.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/17/2007 18:56 Comments || Top||

#10  The Reaper flies above groundfire. While it is nice to operate it from Nellis, I would like to see a cost comparison of the satellite bandwidth vs. deploying the pilots and sensor operators.

Frank where are you getting your figures from?
Reaper fuel burn: 260 lbs/hour
Warthog @ cruise: 1600 lbs/hour
Ratio 1:6
Posted by: ed || 10/17/2007 19:02 Comments || Top||

#11  The MQ-9 Reaper ... can carry 14 of the air-to-ground weapons - or four Hellfires and two 500-pound bombs

But no cowbell.
Posted by: DMFD || 10/17/2007 19:27 Comments || Top||

#12  Re: pilots, the ones I've spoken to with Predator & Reaper experience (test pilot for the latter) don't describe the job as kicking back on the sofa for a little video gaming.

It's actually mentally draining, from what I've heard, in part because of the lack of kinesthetic body experience to match the visuals. Brain has to work harder to interpret and respond quickly, plus the body keeps tensing up for movement that doesn't happen.

I heard some b*tching that the control setup for the Reaper wasn't redesigned from that of the Predator.

Re: satellite bandwidth vs. costs of deploying teams, there's a more involved than that. Consider that the humans may not be the *only* consumers of the sensor data streaming in ....
Posted by: lotp || 10/17/2007 20:17 Comments || Top||

#13  Duh ... it's more involved
Posted by: lotp || 10/17/2007 20:18 Comments || Top||

#14  Partier,

Do they always pilot the same drone? Do the operators who are not trained pilots have the same problems?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 20:30 Comments || Top||

#15  Re: drones, no. Predators and the Predator B/Reaper are deployed in sets of 4 airframe plus 1 ground system in theater. Usual practice is to launch one before bringing down the prior one, with 2 in reserve being fueled, doing maintenance and readying it on the runway.

Re: non pilots, IIUC the only guys flying for real (as opposed to in studies) are all pilots with substantial air time in a variety of planes. At least that was true when I had some peripheral involvement in an analysis study about them.
Posted by: lotp || 10/17/2007 20:41 Comments || Top||

#16  Thanks. Party on.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 20:43 Comments || Top||

#17  Remember kids, this generation has a pilot in Nellis. The next will be autonomous and will be driven from battlefield directives given by the local RC-135 orbiting the region. Same platform, different electronics package. I can see this thing in the sky for a good long time.

"fly to grid sector such and such, fly a normal orbit pattern at this altitude, and await commands from the ground until you are at "x" fuel and then fly back to base"

and off it goes.

I suspect that "the next generation" is not that far off. I also suspect that we will see these deployed via carriers in the not too far future.

My 'wish list' would be a smaller version that can be carried via bradley command vehicle, and another smaller more stealthy version that can be tube launched from subs.

I'd also like to see payload area left up to the ground teams, so that in a pinch they could also fly logistics missions for backcountry operations where helicopters would be an "attention getter" but a Reaper might be able to get in and out and drop off a few helpful packages without being as noticed.

Posted by: frank martin || 10/17/2007 21:23 Comments || Top||

#18  Frank, your wish list was considered but rejected/modified by the army in the Future Combat Systems plans.

Type 1 UAV - backpackable mini similar to the USMC Raven. In development, on track for deployment.

Type 2 UAV - ducted fan (flying trashcan), company level asset launchable from Bradleys/HMMVEEs. On hold, may not be built. Some analyses suggest little recon value to adding this vs. additional fixed wing battalion Predator class UAVs sharable across areas of operation. But those analyses of necessity made assumptions about sensor load etc. that might not obtain. For now, not gonna be built.

Type 3 UAV - battalion asset, upgraded Predator class.

Type 4 UAV - helo. Approved.

Re: sensor packages, it will be a while before they are field swappable. There's a long tail of logistics support & more importantly data feed analysis behind them when they're used.
Posted by: lotp || 10/17/2007 21:32 Comments || Top||

#19  OTOH, your (Frank's) desire for UAVs that fly a grid pattern themselves is close to fruition. Currently most of these systems get programmed with a set of way points and navigate themselves to them according to the sequence specified. Operators man the sensor packages and weapons systems and handle certain other pilot actions but for recon/surveil operations the bulk of the navigation is already automatic.
Posted by: lotp || 10/17/2007 21:35 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Kurdish Rebels Battle Iran
Posted by: ed || 10/17/2007 07:11 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Both Iran and Turkey are currently massing troops on their sides of the border with Iraq, in preparation for a ground and airborne assault on the rebel bases inside Iraq,

Clearly they missed the failure of Hitler's multi-front strategy.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 17:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Clearly Turkey and Iran do not respect the sovereignty of Iraq. I'm wondering where this leaves the U.S.
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/17/2007 18:02 Comments || Top||

#3  Target rich environment.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 18:20 Comments || Top||

#4  Indeed, Nimble Spemble. What is it the Marines say about being surrounded?
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 18:48 Comments || Top||

#5  "We got em right where we want them." I think that was a Chesty Puller quote.

There is a story that condums were dropped in resupply to the Marines up at the frozen Chosen in Korea. Chesty Puller was reported to have said: "What the hell do they think we are doing to the Chinese."
Posted by: JohnQC || 10/17/2007 18:54 Comments || Top||


10 Palestinians investigated for planning UN bombing
Ten Palestinian members of an Islamist network have been placed under investigation for plotting an attack on United Nations peacekeepers in Lebanon, a military judge said on Tuesday. Judge Jean Fahd said the suspects, six of whom are in custody, are being investigated for allegedly "attempting to murder members of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon by placing explosives that failed to detonate."

"The 10 Palestinians are suspected of having formed an armed group to carry out terrorist operations and of possessing weapons and explosives," the judge added, without specifying which radical network they belonged to. No formal charges have yet been laid against the suspects. Fahd said that if found guilty later, they could be sentenced to life imprisonment with hard labour.

The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said on Tuesday it was boosting security after learning of the failed attack on its peacekeepers patrolling southern Lebanese border areas. The Lebanese army had announced on Monday the arrest of a "network of non-Lebanese terrorists" plotting attacks against UNIFIL troops. It said the gang had planted an explosive device on a road near the southern port city of Tyre targeting a UN patrol, but that the device failed to explode.

"In light of recent terrorist attacks against UNIFIL, threats received from militant groups and these recent arrests, UNIFIL remains vigilant and is undertaking a number of measures to mitigate risks and improve the safety and security of its staff," UNIFIL said in a statement.

In June, six peacekeepers in the UN's Spanish contingent, including three Colombians, were killed when a car bomb blasted their armoured personnel carrier on a road near the border with Israel. The attack was the first deadly strike against UN peacekeepers since the force was expanded following last year's war between Israel and guerrillas from the Lebanese Shiite Muslim group Hezbollah. In July, a vehicle belonging to the Tanzanian contingent was damaged by a bomb but there were no casualties.

Security was also boosted during a deadly 15-week battle in northern Lebanon from May to September between the army and an Al-Qaeda-inspired Islamist militia headed by a Palestinian militant.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  Thats your people, UN. I AM sure you do not understand this yet.
Posted by: newc || 10/17/2007 1:03 Comments || Top||

#2  IMO, this is even better than Hamas Fatah warfare.
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/17/2007 6:30 Comments || Top||

#3  A sizeable chunk of the Paleos in Lebanon are anti Shia AQ symphs and think that the UNIFIL folks are helping Hezballah.

Another chunk thinks UNIFIL is helping Israel.

Another chunk thinks, "hey, here is an opportunity to kill some infidels".
Posted by: mhw || 10/17/2007 8:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Why are these yoots being tried in a military court? Have they been tortured? What are the conditions of the jail in which they are being held? Is the Koran being treated with reverence? Do they get 5 prayers a day? Do they have arrows pointing to Mecca?
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/17/2007 8:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Mmmm, Palestinians. Is there anything they won't blow up?
-- Homer Simpson
Posted by: SteveS || 10/17/2007 10:35 Comments || Top||

#6  This is great, let the Paleos bomb the UN, kill two birds with one stone. (So to speak)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 10/17/2007 13:16 Comments || Top||

#7  Another case of rabid paleos biting the hand that feeds them.
Posted by: RWV || 10/17/2007 13:48 Comments || Top||

#8  Popcorn time! Palos turning on the UN. Does it get any better?
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/17/2007 14:15 Comments || Top||

#9  Awwwwwwww...after all you've done for them, they turn around and piss on your shoes. That's gratitude for yas.
But I'm sure the UN will give them another chance. Just misguided yoots, I'm sure...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/17/2007 14:47 Comments || Top||

#10  There are few spectacles more repulsive than masters beating their servants.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 23:32 Comments || Top||


Good morning.
Posted by: Fred || 10/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Classic wasp-waist sez this WASP.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 1:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Kinda makes ya proud to be an American.
Posted by: treo || 10/17/2007 10:55 Comments || Top||

#3  What I always admired about her was her 163 I.Q. as well as the fact that she spoke 5 languages and was a classically trained pianist and violinist. Yeah! Sure!
Posted by: tipper || 10/17/2007 11:08 Comments || Top||

#4  There's just something about diamond netted windows. Always has been, always will be.
Posted by: Besoeker || 10/17/2007 11:22 Comments || Top||

#5  Definitely need radial tires to hug those curves.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/17/2007 11:29 Comments || Top||

#6  Miss Mansfield is almost in a classical Indian pose, with its triple curves.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/17/2007 11:51 Comments || Top||

#7  Only flaw is that I've never liked platinum blondes. But what the heck, I'll ignore it in her case.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/17/2007 14:24 Comments || Top||

#8  [allairline has been pooplisted.]
Posted by: allairline || 10/17/2007 19:06 Comments || Top||

#9  A "classical Indian pose", ya say?

Cowboy up!
Posted by: Zenster || 10/17/2007 23:20 Comments || Top||



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