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Bangladesh
Tales from the Crossfire Gazette (Saturday edition)
A suspected criminal was killed in 'crossfire' between police and an armed group in Tangail on Thursday.
The victim is Maznu Miah alias Kasai Maznu, 30, son of Bachhu Miah of Char Dighulia area in the town.
No mention of a mother ...
Five police personnel including three sub-inspectors (SI) of the district head-quarter police station were injured in the shootout. They were admitted to Tangail Police Hospital.
Maznu musta been a big boy for five coppers to get hernias ...
According to a police news release, they were tipped-off about a possible criminal act to be carried out by Maznu and his accomplices at Nalkhola village under Mogra union in Tangail.
I imagine that just about everything in Bangladesh is a possible criminal act ...
A team of police led by SI Abdur Rashid rushed to the area at about 1:00am.
Must have had a later commitment ...
The armed group hiding in a bamboo plantation opened fire on the law enforcers.
Bamboo offers plenty of protection for the shooters ...
A gunfight ensued as the law enforcers retaliated.
Can't expect the cops to hold their fire, can you ...
Maznu tried to escape and died in 'crossfire' during the shootout, police said.
"Get me out of ... [THIP] ... here! ... [THUNK] .. rosebud .."
A revolver with two rounds of real bullets and eight rounds of rubber bullets were recovered from the spot.
Four more 'real' bullets were recovered from the back of Maznu's head ...
Maznu was an accused in fifteen criminal cases including three murder cases.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my my.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/19/2005 13:41 Comments || Top||


Tales from the Bangla Police Blotter
In a success in ongoing anti-extremists drive, police Friday arrested six Islamists militants, including son-in-law of Jaam'atul Mujahedin Bangladesh (JMB) chief Shaikh Abdur Rahman in Thakurgaon.
Sonny was just getting into the family business ...
Plainclothesmen also arrested Golam Mohammad Bhuiyan Manik, the central president of Islami Chhatra Sena, student front of Islami Oikyo Front, in connection with August 17 countrywide bomb attacks from Dhaka. Police nabbed Awal, the son-in-law of Rahman, along with four of his accomplices from Thakurgaon old bus stand area. Awal was one of the top five most wanted extremists, police said.

Witnesses said police on a tip-off raided a Panchagarah-Dinajpur bus when it reached Thakurgaon in the afternoon and nabbed Awal and his four accomplices. "The arrested were taken to police super’s office," said a witness. Later, police super Khandakar Golam Faruk started interrogating the JMB members. Journalists were not allowed in the SP office.
Never safe to have journalists around when you're using power tools.
Thakurgaon thana police also declined to divulge anything.

The government announced a bounty of Tk 5,000,000 each for Shaikh Rahman and Bangla Bhai, the chief of Jagrata Muslim Janata Bangladesh, for their arrest.

In another development, police arrested Abdul Latif, a listed JMB member from his house at Bhangbari in Ranishainkal upazila in Thakurgaon district. Latif told police that he took training in different parts of the country. He remained absconding as his father-in-law was arrested after the August 17 bomb blasts.

In connection with the countrywide bomb attack, meanwhile, Detective Branch and Special Branch arrested Islami Chhatra Sena president Golam Mohammad Bhuiyan Manik from Al Baraka Hospital in the capital's Paltan Thursday night. Police said he was arrested after they found his involvement in the August 17 blasts by bugging his telephone. He was taken on a three-day remand for interrogation on August 17 blasts.
Get ready, Steve, I think there's a Crossfire Gazette in this for you in the near future.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Terrorists demand toll from 12 Ctg WASA officials
Nov 18: The top terrorists of Chittagong have started their activities recently. They started to collect tolls from the businessmen, officials and moneyed men of the city recently, concerned sources said.
'Top' terrorists in Bangladesh? Pshaw, the top terrs are in Iraq and the Magic Kingdom. These guys are 'AA' minor leaguers.
The top terrorists of Chittagong had gone into hiding after special measures taken by Rapid Action Battalion and police. But, some of them are now coming out from hiding. They already started to organise their groups again.
"Okay boys, the RAB is gone! Whew! Now let's get out there and collect some tolls!"
According to the sources, the accomplices of notorious minor leaguer terrorist and Shibir cadre Habib Khan have phoned separately 12 officers of Chittagong WASA including the Chairman yesterday. The officers of WASA are Member Engineer, Member Finance Abu Taleb, Member Admin Delwar Bokht, Chief Engineer Shafiqul Islam, Secretary Jahangir Alam, Project Director Jaharul Haque and three Executive Engineers of WASA. They demanded tolls from the officers for the treatment of their accomplices who were injured recently in several incidents. The terrorists demanded tolls from the secretary as Chairman of WASA was out of office yesterday. The WASA authority reported the incident of demanding tolls to the Commissioner of CMP has this afternoon. The CMP authority has taken measures in this regard, said concerned sources.

Sources said, according to the list of the Chittagong Metropolitan Police (CMP) there were a total of 68 top terrorists in Chittagong city. Of the said 68 top terrorists five were killed in cross fire under Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) custody. Of the 63 top terrorists 21 are now in jail, ...
... soon to have a 'conversation' with the RAB ...
... 21 are absconding for long time and the rest 21 are absconding after getting bail from the court.
"I'm getting out of here before the RAB gets me!"
According to the sources, many listed criminals of the port city have already been nabbed. But, new ones are being recruited in the underworld recently. The gangs of top terrorists are expanded with new rookie league terrorists. The age of the new recruits in the under world not more than 20 to 30 years. The new entrants committed crimes in the city area. They are engaged with snatching, robbery, extortion and other types of crime. As a result though the killing is decreasing in the port city. But other types of crimes are increasing alarmingly.
Time for RAB battalion number 5.
Police sources said, the new criminals committed light types of crime. But, huge new criminals are already included in the under world. As most top terrorists are in jail, their accomplices led their gangs in the city area. The second row cadres are organised the new criminals in the under world.

The law enforcing agencies are concerned about the new criminals of Chittagong. Police and Rapid Action Battalion (RAB) have already prepared new list of terrorists and criminals of Chittagong. The new entrants are included in the list, sources added.
Posted by: Steve White || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Progress will be made when these "tolls" are more appropriately referred to as "extortion."
Posted by: Zenster || 11/19/2005 13:56 Comments || Top||


Britain
New Islamist group to launch this week in London
The founding of a new militant Islamist group will be announced at a press conference in Walthamstow, East London on Friday. Anjam Choudry a lawyer and the former leader of al Muhahjiroun, an extremist organization which disbanded itself in October 2004, told Asharq al Awsat on Wednesday he had invited the group’s 700 ex- members to unite under the banner of “Ahl al Sunnah and al Jamaa” (the community following the teachings of the Prophet.) Arab and foreign journalists are expected to attend the conference.
Hey! Just like Pakland! The organization gets banned, you break out the false noses and moustaches and keep doing business at the same old stand.
Choudry also expected several students of Omar Bakri Mohammad, the spiritual guide of the banned al Ghurabaa who currently lives in Beirut, to attend the launch. The new group “will concentrate on preaching and not jihad” (armed struggle), the lawyer indicated. It aims to unite British Muslims under one roof, away from more secular organizations. Bakri will be one of the religious figures consulted for their fatwas (religious edicts) but will not hold any other responsibilities.
"See? Nothing to ban us for. We're not what we used to be. We're something different."
Choudry, who was sent back by the Lebanese authorities with three other Islamists after he visited Bakri in Beirut earlier this month, indicated, “We will be part of the group Ahl al Sunna and al Jamaa which exists worldwide. Amongst our sheikhs are Omar Bakri, Abu Mohammed al Maqdisi [detained in Jordan], the Palestinian Islamist Abu Qatadah, [real name Omar Mahmoud Othman, currently in a London jail accused by the British authorities of being al Qaeda’s spiritual leader in Europe].”
That kinda gives an idea of what their philosophy is.
Meanwhile, in a telephone conversation with Asharq al Awsat on Wednesday, Bakri revealed internal divisions amongst his students as Abd al Muid, a Pakistani Islamist and the former Amir (leader) of al Ghurabaa had refused to join the new organization. “Ahl al Sunna and the Jamaa are the victorious sect”, he said.
Posted by: Fred || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL. Holding a press conference are they?

Python's Life of Brian... Life imitating art, yet again.
Posted by: .com || 11/19/2005 6:07 Comments || Top||

#2  The new group “will concentrate on preaching and not jihad”

Careful parsing reveals that this "new group" will focus on preaching brainwashing, while leaving the jihad murdering to whatever useful idiots fodder sprouts up for ready consumption.

SOP: Video surveillance with subsequent identification and monitoring of all who attend even a single gathering of these maggots. Instantaneous deportation (as in a popping sound of air rushing back in to fill the space once occupied by their body) for any non-citizen who even remotely participates.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/19/2005 11:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Save everyone a lot of grief - napalm the "press conference". Dead men don't preach jihad, dead men don't spread islamonazi lies and bullsh$$. They're also a lot easier to keep track of. Plus, it sends a really STRONG "message" to the rest of the dirtbags that their brand of "religion" won't be tolerated any longer.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 11/19/2005 13:37 Comments || Top||

#4  That would be great Old Patriot but this is the UK we are talking about. Ken Livingstone and his faction of the labor party will insist they all be given government funding and walking around money.

The UK has yet to deport or extradite one Terrorist to my knowledge. Even after July 7, 2005 The UK's approach to terrorism and terrorists is still limp wristed and next to non existant. Lots of talk little real action.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/19/2005 14:18 Comments || Top||

#5  You'd think that the "festivities" just across the channel would provide Britain with a glimpse of what's to come. Europe's complacency is nothing short of astonishing. America may well have to save Europe from itself a third time.
Posted by: Zenster || 11/19/2005 14:25 Comments || Top||


Europe
Swedish terror suspect "visited al-Zarqawi"
The Swedish teenager being held in Sarajevo on suspicion of terrorist offences visited the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, according to the British newspaper The Times.

In an investigation into al-Zarqawi, one of the world's most wanted terrorists, the paper stated that "there are signs that al-Zarqawi wants to mobilise cells in Europe".

An example given by the paper is the arrest of the 18 year old Bosnian-born Swede with a Turkish man in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo on October 19th. Police found 30 kilos of explosive materials, weapons and a so-called "suicide vest" in the man's apartment.

On a video the men are seen "praying to Allah for forgiveness", according to a local journalist, and stored on their computer were pictures of the White House.

The Swedish man, reported The Times, is alleged to have spent time in Iraq with al-Zarqawi and run one of his web sites.

The Times cited police and intelligence sources, and said that British detectives are also investigating the Swede.

"His defence lawyer has told us that British, American and Danish police have interrogated him," said a journalist on the weekly paper Slobodna Bosna to TT.

According to earlier Bosnian reports, the Swede was identified as an Islamist who, under the codename Maximus and from a computer in Sweden, is said to have recruited fighters to Iraq.

Sweden has also begun an investigation into the man.

Representatives of the Swedish embassy in Sarajevo have visited the man in prison on two occasions, most recently on October 28th. He has been in jail for almost a month and the next court hearing must be held on Monday at the latest.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/19/2005 10:49 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Carpet job time!
Posted by: badanov || 11/19/2005 12:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Is Europe a.k.a Eurabia preconditional itself as a battlefront. Miss those gold ole bad days.
Posted by: Clavilet Claith3744 || 11/19/2005 12:23 Comments || Top||


Hizbut Tehrir behind french intifada
Dalil Boubakeur, head of the Paris mosque, big shot of the CFCM french muslim council and mouthpiece for the algerian secret services (who write his sermons) sez that the riots were "organized"; apparently there was at least a modicum of organization, firebombs factories have been found, kids were sent to frontlines by adults (minors are effectively immune form any legal consequencies). Still, according to the police, the bulk of the rioters were black muslim africans (at least in Seine Saint-Denis, which is more african than arab?), while the heavily "politically islamized" areas didn't move, so that somehow lessen the djihadist perspective.

by B.Raman, CAMP EUROPE

All indicators point to the involvement of some Pakistani, Algerian and Moroccan members of the London-based Hizbut Tehrir (HT) in the violence by sections of angry Muslim youth, which has rocked the suburbs of Paris and some other towns of France since October 27,2005.

2. The outbreak initially was spontaneous following the electrocution of two Muslim youth as they were fleeing away from a random identity papers check by the Police. The violence continued to be spontaneous, with no external instigation, for three days. In the meanwhile, it is reported by reliable sources, the headquarters of the HT in London saw the agitprop potential of the developments in Paris and sent some of their experts, who had participated in instigating the violence earlier this year in Afghanistan over the alleged desecration of the Holy Koran by the US guards at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba and in Uzbekistan over the allegedly autocratic ways of the local Government, to Paris to stoke the anger of the youth and exploit it for their purpose.

3. With the help of the sleeper cells, which the HT has already established in Paris and other parts of France for some months, they drew up plans for keeping the violence sustained in order to further radicalise and mobilise the youth against the French Government. For this purpose, they exploited the already prevalent anger in the Muslim community of France over the ban on the wearing of head scarves by Muslim girls in public schools and over the ruthless action taken by the Police in the past against suspected radicals. The intemperate and insensitive language used by the French Interior Minister, which is perceived as an insult to Islam and the Muslim youth, facilitated the task of the HT.

4. The HT has the same objective as Al Qaeda, namely, the restoration of an Islamic Caliphate, but denies any link with Al Qaeda and claims that it intends achieving its objective through overt political agitation and not through resort to terrorism or other forms of political violence . While there is no evidence of its involvement so far in any act of jihadi terrorism anywhere in the world, it has been involved in many instances of political agitation in the streets in some countries and in attempts at subverting the armed forces and the intelligence agencies in Pakistan and other Islamic countries.

5. It is reported by reliable sources in Pakistan that the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) in Pakistan has instructed its cells in France to assist the HT clandestinely as best as they can. Similarly, the Jamat-ul-Furqa (JUF), which has some followers in the community of Caribbean origin in France, has also asked its followers to assist the HT. Richard Reid, the so-called shoe bomber, was suspected to be a member of the JUF.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 11/19/2005 10:14 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Trial of Moroccan Terrorists Back on Track
Brussels, Asharq Al-Awsat-- The trial of 13 suspected members of the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group resumed on Wednesday after it was suspended earlier this month because of language difficulties. The men are accused of using forged documents and illegal residency in Belgium and involvement in the Madrid bombings on 11 March 2004 and the Casablanca blasts on 16 May 2003. The police detained seven suspects currently held in Belgium in two separate operations in March 2004 in Maaseik on the border with the Netherlands and July 2004 during raids in Brussels and Antwerp. Three other suspects are jailed in Spain, one in Morocco and one is under arrest in Syria .

A spokeswoman for the federal government’s investigation bureau told Asharq al Awsat that Belgian laws state that a trail is to be conducted in the labguage understood by the defendants. In this case, as the majority of suspects spoke French, it was agreed this language would be used in court in the presence of a Dutch translator. Commenting on the cooperation with Morocco regarding this case, the spokeswoman said, “Collaboration is very good as was evident when information on terrorist and criminal activities was shared” between the two sides. “A Moroccan delegation visited Belgium and discussed with us the investigation and other related matters. We agreed on future steps to increase cooperation,” she said.

If found guilty, the men face between five and 10 years in prison. The trial is the first prosecution under Belgium's new anti-terrorist law, which explicitly makes terrorism a crime.
Posted by: Fred || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Politix
Lawmakers Reject Immediate Iraq Withdrawal 403-3
The House on Friday overwhelmingly rejected calls for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, a vote engineered by the Republicans that was intended to fail. Democrats derided the vote as a political stunt. "Our troops have become the enemy. We need to change direction in Iraq," said Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, a Democratic hawk whose call a day earlier for pulling out troops sparked a nasty, personal debate over the war.

The House voted 403-3 to reject a nonbinding resolution calling for an immediate troop withdrawal. "We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not retreat," Speaker Dennis Hastert, R- Ill., said as the GOP leadership pushed the issue to a vote over the protest of Democrats.

It was the second time in less than a week that President Bush's Iraq policy stirred heated debate in Congress. On Tuesday, the Senate defeated a Democratic push for Bush to lay out a timetable for withdrawal.

Murtha, a 73-year-old Marine veteran decorated for combat service in Vietnam, issued his call for a troop withdrawal at a news conference on Thursday. In little more than 24 hours, Hastert and Republicans decided to put the question to the House.

Democrats said it was a political stunt and quickly decided to vote against it in an attempt to drain it of significance. "A disgrace," declared House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "The rankest of politics and the absence of any sense of shame," added Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the No. 2 House Democrat.
So how'd you vote? Yeah or nay? Can we quote you in the future? Gonna be tough for you to wank about the 'quagmire', at least for a while, eh?
Posted by: Steve White || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Glad to know the vote was 3-403. But who are the 3 wankers that voted yes and why did 29 not vote (gutless, out of town,...)? At least 10 more Representatives voted on the rules preceding this vote. Why did they chicken out and not perform the duty they are paid to do? If they won't stand up and represent their districts, then resign and give back their paychecks.
Posted by: ed || 11/19/2005 0:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Cynthia McKinney (4th Dist. GA), Jose Serrano (16th Dist. NY) & Henry Waxman (30th Dist. CA) were the "no" votes. The complete roll is available here.
Posted by: AzCat || 11/19/2005 0:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Whoops, make that "yes" votes. I'm tired. ;)
Posted by: AzCat || 11/19/2005 0:42 Comments || Top||

#4  A little turkey with that?
Posted by: Captain America || 11/19/2005 1:04 Comments || Top||

#5  Aside from a certain nostalgia, I can't say that the demise of the MSM bothers me much. The Internet just gives us more perfect information, and the print journals can't match it.

I wish that I could say the same for the demise of Mainstream Politics (MSP?). Satirists from classical Greek times have realized that most deliberative bodies were essentially a sham, but with the Internet, it's just too embarrassing to let it go on. We are fact-checking these guys in near real time and what we're finding is that they're just a bunch of hollow men in empty suits. The Republicans are somewhat better than the Democrats since they are business oriented and enterprise has little patience for BS. But overall, the politicos are running scared. Their fear is evident in the shrillness of their tone and the panic which seems to be paralyzing them as each news crisis emerges.

What scares me is that the MSM can be easily replaced and except for the rather happy prospect of Maureen Dowd panhandling outside the Disney Store in Times Square, the fallout will be limited. MSP won't go down so easily. They control budgets and weapons and Armies of the Entitled and sewers and roads and schools. When MSP crashes, it goes down hard. The Democrats seem to have firmly allied themselves with MSP. They are in league with the cities (unproductive drains on our economy as the loss of New Orleans proves [I am truly sorry if you lost in hurricane Katrina, but cities are dying. It's tragic, but that cannot change the truth.]), the Entitled (they're the recipients of the part of the budget which we can't touch), and the intelligentsia.

I think that MSP ends when the suburbs, exurbs, and rural areas (all "blue") tire of supporting the "red" cities and their welfare bureaucracies and chattering class elites. The outcome of this can be either bloody or benign. Inshallah, as our mooselimb friends say, eh?
Posted by: 11A5S || 11/19/2005 1:07 Comments || Top||

#6  San Fran Nan Paloozer did not give a yep vote...
What a cunt.
The idiot that brought this to the floor did not even give a yay vote....

The country will not even notice this huge victory for the Prez.
What a shame....

Posted by: Long Hair Republican || 11/19/2005 1:46 Comments || Top||

#7  What, Dennis the Menace Kucinich voted 'nay'? Sure he didn't get confused by the motion? LMAO!
Posted by: spartacist || 11/19/2005 3:11 Comments || Top||

#8  thanks but i can't eat that much turkey. ;)

/that took stones..as i screw up every linky i get my hands on.
Posted by: Red Dog || 11/19/2005 3:16 Comments || Top||

#9  403 to 3 is another crushing defeat for the MSM and the Dem'wits
who tried to levitate representative John Murtha to the status of an irrefutable god.
"How dare you question the sage wisdom of this Vietnam War veteran war hero!",
has been the belicose cultic chant of the islamicist liberal elite
of the media and of the Washington politicians.
Almost every broadcast station I tuned to all week long sounded almost like
a Tom Daschle demonic induced accusation against those with whom I find morale comfort.
I was beginning to think the tribulation had arrived.
I thank God for the alternative media of talk radio with hosts like Hugh Hewitt
and Bill Bennett where I hear and learn there are other people out there who
are simple and genuine just like me who also are appalled buy the assault against
those who cherish conservative principles and ideological values over legalistic humanism.
Even if the MSM never admits this stunning vote of confidence,
it appears I was wrong as there now appears to be 403 congressmen who value the importance
of sticking it out in tough times by supporting our President and Commander in Chief
in the prosecution of this war on terrorism which has taken a real toll on our soldiers
fighting in the front lines of Iraq and especially the toll suffered by the families
who have lost a real deliverer to the powers of this world.
I still hold to the hope that in the end God will prevail and I will see my deliverer face to face.
Posted by: Kristeen Kid || 11/19/2005 4:57 Comments || Top||

#10  This was a crushing defeat for the democrats. I think from the comments made during the debate that the dems plan to spin it as some mutation about how they don't support IMMEDIATE withdrawl but that they support withdrawl. Hey. Whatever.

Anyway you slice or dice or spin this the 403-3 vote exposed the total hypocrisy and weakness of the left's.

No word out yet in the fever swamps - but I'm sure by morning they will have rearranged the words and sentence structure of their talking points to make this sound like a success for the Democrats. The Kos Kids choir will sing the refrain and the MSM will repeat or ignore. But it was such a resounding defeat - it really doesn't matter. Score a big one for the good guys.
Posted by: 2b || 11/19/2005 5:33 Comments || Top||

#11  MSP... that's got real legs, 11A5S... *kudos*

"When MSP crashes, it goes down hard."

I agree. I'll take "bloody" for $1000. CW-II, methinks.
Posted by: .com || 11/19/2005 6:12 Comments || Top||

#12  .com, I'll take "bloody" for $1000. CW-II, methinks.

And el cubos will fight that with what... spitballs? ;-)
Posted by: Sobiesky || 11/19/2005 6:41 Comments || Top||

#13  I've been taking perverse pleasure in wading through some fever swamps to see how the moonbats would react to this cold, hard, reality slap across the face.

As usual - the response seems to be denial and distortion. They are very quiet right now, but my suspicion that they will attempt to claim that Murtha's bill did not call for immediate withdrawl seems to be panning out.

Beware of your rabid moonbat friends - when cornered, they will fly right into your face and bite you.
Posted by: 2b || 11/19/2005 6:54 Comments || Top||

#14  Beware of your rabid moonbat friends - when cornered, they will fly right into your face and bite you.

Well, how about an outreach... with a fist so the teeth that bite are preventively removed? ;-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 11/19/2005 7:24 Comments || Top||

#15  "moonbats in the fever swamps" LOL, that perfectly
explains the democrats dilemna because their
constituents are on the kook fringe. They are
in a lot of trouble with their kook base after
this vote. Their far-leftist/liberal kook base want them to go
over the cliffs like modern day lemmings. They
look to their beloved francarabia for answers.
Hoist the white flag, surrender, and then cut
and run a la clinton in somalia. They're more
interested in defeating the hated America than
they are in defending Western Civilization.
Posted by: Clolutle Slans5753 || 11/19/2005 8:01 Comments || Top||

#16  Finally an opportunity for some direct action?
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/19/2005 8:08 Comments || Top||

#17  "And el cubos will fight that with what... spitballs? ;-)"

Heh, indeed - they're spit out of luck, lol.
Posted by: .com || 11/19/2005 8:14 Comments || Top||

#18  They will fight it with nasty tv ads of maimed soldiers and Iraqi children.

They will propose outrageously irresponsible social benefit programs that the Repubs will have to veto.

They will use every lying, cheating, slimy tactic they can - and if we're not proactive against that they will win, because they don't give a damn about the truth, just about their own power and privilege.
Posted by: true nuff || 11/19/2005 8:18 Comments || Top||

#19  Indeed, The Black-Hearted American Anti-American Vulture Elites will feed... on someone.
Posted by: .com || 11/19/2005 8:29 Comments || Top||

#20  Hopefully .com, they will follow Zman model and return home to feed on their own. Purges!
Pass the popcorn.
Posted by: Flinert Chutch5977 || 11/19/2005 8:42 Comments || Top||

#21  The six who voted present were no better than the three who voted no:

Capuano, Michael E. (D) MA 8th
Clay, Wm. Lacy (D) MO 1st
Hinchey, Maurice D. (D) NY 22nd
McDermott, Jim (D) WA 7th
Nadler, Jerrold (D) NY 8th
Owens, Major R. (D) NY 11th

In putting together this list I found out there is a guy named OTTER in the House from the 1st Idaho District.

You guys up for a toga party?
Posted by: Thravinter Wheath5635 || 11/19/2005 9:28 Comments || Top||

#22  This was a crushing defeat for the democrats
But is this a victory for the men and women in Iraq. That's what's important. That they believe we care.
Posted by: plainslow || 11/19/2005 9:59 Comments || Top||

#23  If there is a civil war, PD, it will be the shortest, most lopsided ever. The not-cities have the military, the food, power generating facilities, transportation and warehousing infrastructure, tech business, etc. The cities have masses of ill-educated immigrants and a pacifist intellectual elite. They've lost their industrial base. The one thing that they still have is the ports.

My hope is that this all turns out rather benignly in the US. Last night's vote proves that the "blue" urban areas have no power and that there are only a few "revolutionaries" willing to stand up to the "red" areas.

As a matter of fact, I think that most of the advantage of the collapse of MSP accrues to the US. We deal with change better than any other society. The collapse of MSP has pushed Europe to the brink of intifadah and overall political and social paralysis. Other societies like Asia and Latin America will fare even worse. Their class structures are just too rigid to deal with billions of people asking new questions and demanding news rights. Attempts to control the information flow will fail as the elites attempt to reinforce the socialist "narrative" (as is happening already in Europe and Latin America, e.g. Chavez) and cell phone and Internet-based information flow undermine it. Those societies have bought so completely into socialist memes, that when those memes are shown to finally have no ability to deliver what the newly informed want, socialism will completely collapse. The resulting chaos won't be pretty.

I've ignored Dar al Islam in this analysis. They are headed for their Allahdammerung. It's too much for them to take: Medieval, feudal societies colliding with the post modern Internet society. We need to prevent Islamist imperialist expansion (Europe!) that could prlong the eventual meltdown, contain the fallout (perhaps literally), and be there to control the energy assets. As such, Iraq is the prime operational center of gravity for controlling the oilfields. We need to stay there and maintain our naval dominance in the Persian Gulf.
Posted by: 11A5S || 11/19/2005 10:14 Comments || Top||

#24  the rather happy prospect of Maureen Dowd panhandling outside the Disney Store in Times Square,

LOL!

.com You have to have combantants to have a civil war. The market will send proper signals to the elected bodies to get a grip/clue. Hardcore lefties are few and usually damn lazy.
And stinky too.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/19/2005 10:22 Comments || Top||

#25  11A5S---
We need to prevent Islamist imperialist expansion (Europe!) that could prlong the eventual meltdown, contain the fallout (perhaps literally), and be there to control the energy assets.

Interesting comments. But how will we prevent Islamist expansion in Europe? We could set an example by our own behavior, encourage democratic institutions, but what else can we do? Maybe we can improve relations with eastern European countries, but I do not see what else we can do with countries like Spain, France, and Germany. It is really up to the people there. France rejected the EU O&M Manual Constitution because of the threat of them losing their socialist bennies, not because of issues of personal liberty and independence.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 11/19/2005 10:41 Comments || Top||

#26  It is interesting to note that Murtha voted against his own resolution. I think you can gauge just how sincere Murtha's intentions were in proposing the resolution from the way he voted.
Posted by: Biff Wellington || 11/19/2005 10:54 Comments || Top||

#27  Not necessarily Given Murtha's (or any Democrats') political stripes, he'd vote against a 'Happy Birthday' resolution to himself if it'd damage him politically.
Posted by: Pappy || 11/19/2005 11:35 Comments || Top||

#28  It is interesting to note that Murtha voted against his own resolution. I think you can gauge just how sincere Murtha's intentions were in proposing the resolution from the way he voted.

In the weird world of progressive politics, Murtha had to vote against his amendment to show he was serious about cutting and running. To have done otherwise would have made him look double-extra funny with Cynthia (D-Biafra) and crew.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/19/2005 12:18 Comments || Top||

#29  Yes, he had to kill his resolution in order to save it.
Posted by: Shipman || 11/19/2005 12:19 Comments || Top||

#30  Final Score - Patriots 403, Morons 3.
Posted by: Raj || 11/19/2005 12:41 Comments || Top||

#31  Murtha played a word game, kept saying immediate withdrawal, but his resolution didn't specify immediate withdrawal - swift withdrawal.

Via Discriminations:

"The battle on Friday came as Democrats accused Republicans of pulling a political stunt by moving toward a vote on a symbolic alternative to the resolution that Mr. Murtha offered on Thursday, calling for the swift withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. Democrats said the ploy distorted the meaning of Mr. Murtha's measure and left little time for meaningful debate. [Emphasis added]"


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If some want some intellectual challenge, there's a guy over at Roger L. Simon's blog named
Shochu John who's debating Iraq and has links! He seems very obsessed with body count.

I've suggested his coming here would be illuminating.
Posted by: anonymous2u || 11/19/2005 12:41 Comments || Top||

#32  Put it in perspective.
Murtha is Pelosi's CHIEF strategist on military matters.
The attempt to make him a saint failed when the Republicans pulled out more decorated saints and a POW to refute him.
The attempt to have him make all the speeches for phase 2 was a disaster for dems and him. I know they did this because in phase one it got so shrill a phyiscal fight was not far off. The dems couldn't trust their own to remain calm for phase2 so they called on Murtha to do all the talking. If they had not done so today you would have really intertaining vidcaps of moonbats foaming at the mouth.

You can bet the rabid left will blame Murtha for the failure and further fracture the dems. Pelosi will have to get a new advisor as the rest of the dems will shun Murtha and blame him for the defeat. Victimization at its best!

Pelosi was among the worst screamers last night. I was expecting her to have a heart attack.... Truely showed herself as a full fledged moonbat.

Posted by: 3dc || 11/19/2005 12:49 Comments || Top||

#33  #29 Yes, he had to kill his resolution in order to save it.
Posted by: Shipman 2005-11-19 12:19

#28 It is interesting to note that Murtha voted against his own resolution. I think you can gauge just how sincere Murtha's intentions were in proposing the resolution from the way he voted.

In the weird world of progressive politics, Murtha had to vote against his amendment to show he was serious about cutting and running. To have done otherwise would have made him look double-extra funny with Cynthia (D-Biafra) and crew.


that be good all day
Posted by: Red Dog || 11/19/2005 12:56 Comments || Top||

#34  The reason that Murtha voted against his own amendment is to give cover to entire democratic party who intends to pretend that Hunter's was different from his own. They had a very public display during the debate to clarify exactly what amendment was being voted on Hunter's or Murtha's.

The goal is to say that they don't support the war, but they voted nay because they do not support immediate withdrawl - as that would be bad. Expect them to go on about how Murtha's resolution provided "a plan" to withdraw.

And when they say that... tell them they are wrong and to look it up if they don't believe you.

Below is the actual wording from Murtha's resolution. There is much more vergarbage they can quote from, but this is meat of it right here. Read and remember - cause the Dem's have already chosen to pretend this is not what it said.

Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that:

Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.

Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.

Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy


IS HEREBY TERMINATED.

It's on the record and we won't forget.
Posted by: 2b || 11/19/2005 13:22 Comments || Top||

#35  plainsow: Excellent point!
But is this a victory for the men and women in Iraq. That's what's important. That they believe we care
Posted by: 2b || 11/19/2005 13:25 Comments || Top||

#36  Last night circus just shows how much the Democrats hate our service men and women. I watched the debate on the rule. I know what I saw and heard. When you start out with 'I support or service men and women BUT...' You are a lying pile of anti-US cat crap. Most dems have no concept of us being in an actual WAR.

This will be marked as the start of the civil war. Being a Democrat means you hate our country and constitution. I just hope we can win a Civil War and the WoT at the same time.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/19/2005 14:08 Comments || Top||

#37  The video from last night will make a zillion attack ads in the next election.

Rep X says this about Iraq but when push came to shove voted to stay in Iraq. No matter what your position can you believe anything Rep X says?

Posted by: 3dc || 11/19/2005 15:01 Comments || Top||

#38  The problem is 3dc that the MSM will have brainwashed the public that "Iraq is a quagmire" and a failure by then. That is the other half of the battle. The MSM and MSP are one and the same.

You can't defeat the left until we actaully have a free press we can trust and don't just pay lip service to one.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/19/2005 15:19 Comments || Top||

#39  3dc is right. How do you believe these guys.
They are like Rosanne Rosannadanna. "Never mind" once they realize what war is really like.
Posted by: plainslow || 11/19/2005 15:22 Comments || Top||

#40  AP: Good question. I was taught that the four instruments of power are Diplomatic, Informational, Military and Economic. What levers do we find abmong those four categories to use to influence European behavior?

Diplomatic: Use existing human rights treaties to pressure the Euros to treat their minorities as full citizens instead of low wage servants to be tossed away when the economy contracts. Stop giving them a pass. Every time they criticize us for some imaginary human rights abuse, hit them back twice as hard with real evidence of their very real apartheid policies.

Informational: The other part of the human tragedy in Europe is the way the elites prevent even their own people from exercising their rights and realizing their full potential. You can't open a small business because the laws are too restrictive. You can't own a gun to protect yourself because that would lead to violence.* You have to live in a crappy apartment in the city because if we let you build a house in the suburbs, that might piss off Jose Bove or something. Maybe we need Radio Free Europe again. I keep seeing these European voices on the Internet that want US style freedoms. We need to support them. We need to give them a 50 KW microphone or a 50 GHz internet connection to tell the rest of the Euros the truth and drown out their ridiculous elites.

Economic: Use the WTO and direct economic pressure to open the Continent to entrepreneurship, free markets, and free choice. Some of this will involve house cleaning on our part. We need to end agricultural subsidies and some of our military subsidies.

The goal of the above three instruments is to create a yeoman economy and polity: many small freeholders who will drive the growth needed to create the jobs for the immigrants and assimiliate them... to create opportunities for their own kids so that fertile couples will even be willing to have children. If the diplomatic, economic and informational instruments fail, then the last resort is the military instrument.

Military: We should maintain a military presence on the continent. We should continue to work with continental armies to train officers and NCOs in US values and tactics and to maintain relationships with them in case the situation spirals out of control. We should be prepared to intervene in the very last resort to prevent the establishment of autonomous areas or an actual country takeover.

As I'm sure you understand AP, this is a very rough draft. All kinds of policy decisions have to be made in support of such a program. To what degree is it covert or overt? How far do we push the elites? Do we stop funding kids to come here and study and start funding our own "madrassahs" (private universities and colleges) in Europe? How much risk do we assume in that we might cause a patriotic backlash from the very people we are trying to empower? Etc....

Some people here probably will say screw the Euros. A very large part of me would like to say that, too. But we cannot allow Europe to fall into the hands of Islam. The European elites want to rule as very benevolent masters. The Arabs are much, much better masters. They understand that in order to be an effective master, one has to be cruel sometimes as well as benevolent. Left alone, they will win. The only way we win is to get the sheep to look up. Call it Americanism, or Thatcherism, or Anglo-Saxon capitalism, if we don't bring it to Europe, we suffer a major set back.

*I personally believe that gun ownership does lead to more violence. Witness the lower US crime rate and the higher US murder rate in comparison to European rates. But it is a _risk_ that I and most Americans are willing to accept since the alternative is a society of sheep. Paraphrasing Gibbon: an armed gentry is the guaranteur of Liberty.
Posted by: 11A5S || 11/19/2005 18:48 Comments || Top||

#41  But we cannot allow Europe to fall into the hands of Islam

I agree with you, 11, but I really don't think that there is anything we can do - except offer moral support - and perhaps attempt to publicize some common sense. This time it seems they will have to save themselves.
Posted by: 2b || 11/19/2005 19:36 Comments || Top||

#42  If Bat Yeor is correct, Eurabia is a self-inflicted wound, and the culmination of planned policies starting in late 70's. In that light, anti-Americanism is predictable. Perhaps Eastern Europe will save their bacon, but the French and the Germans are merely getting what they asked for. Britain puzzles me. While Blair has been a good ally, he continues to push EU (Eurabian) alignment.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/19/2005 20:12 Comments || Top||

#43  I M sorry, but if someone says "don't bother voting on it" and you say "vote on it" and force a vote, then they agree with you, WHAT IS THE POINT?!!!!
Posted by: OnlySaneAnonymouseLeft || 11/19/2005 20:14 Comments || Top||

#44  11A5S - Most excellent! If you have decent contacts in the US Govt, and possibly any relationships with any European military, you should pass that comment along to them. You would probably receive the usual professional cynicism, or even astonishment at your naivete, at first, but there's real meat on those bones. Even the hardcore careerists would admit it's got much to recommend it - assuming they're not part of our infected population of dhimmis. Multi-prong approaches that are complimentary - where progress in any area cross-reinforces the others - are well worth the effort. There's something in there for everyone with some expertise in one or more of the areas to digest. I share the knee-jerk to say fuck 'em, but setting aside my twitchy knees, well, it all sings. Thanks - a very thoughtful post. Surely we don't have to sit idly by and wait for the tipping points to come and watch the dominoes fall... I sadly note that TGA seems to have gone - this would be something he would find very interesting, I think. Again, Thx.
Posted by: .com || 11/19/2005 20:59 Comments || Top||

#45  SR-71 - IIRC, like the US - many of the Euros are planning on massive immigration of non-national workers to sustain the current retirement payoffs promised to citizens. They can't afford to cut immigration or do massive deportations without endangering the balance of payouts in 5-10 yrs. Long term isn't in their picture....
Posted by: Frank G || 11/19/2005 21:23 Comments || Top||

#46  Democrats are lying traitors and the sooner we start putting them up against walls and shooting them the better. I was in Chile when Allende went down. The Army knew they were preempting by about a week a purge of their leadership by the Communist-dominated government. The Left intended to put all the rightist military leaders they could catch to death. The Right just proved better at the Left's own game.
We're getting to that point here. If things don't change radically on the lefty side of the field, look for a civil war the next time a Demo president gets elected. If it's the Hildebeest, $5 will get you $50 that she doesn't make it out of her first year without being assassinated. She might well not make it six months. There are far too many people who see the Dems as they really are, and those are the people who have guns. They won't take the country being betrayed without a fight.
Posted by: mac || 11/19/2005 22:08 Comments || Top||

#47  Cleanup on isle 46.
Posted by: SR-71 || 11/19/2005 22:46 Comments || Top||

#48  mac...not acceptable - I've been caught at it in the heat of the moment and rightfully rebuked (AOS dammit). Beat the f&*k out of them in the ballots, courts, retake control of academia and standards of learning, and retake public streets (without undue physical action - fire hoses in trade-pact season welcome)...isn't that a full enough plate and still stay America
Posted by: Frank G || 11/19/2005 22:54 Comments || Top||

#49  I disassociate my self from any talk of assasinations of elected US officals for any reason what so ever.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom || 11/19/2005 23:08 Comments || Top||

#50  Alas, PD. I'm just a schlub with an Internet connection. I've made a couple of attempts since 9/11 to get into a position where I could influence policy without any success.

You know, from 1945 to 1960, we really did put in place some amazing programs and policy that stopped communism cold. There was the Marshall Plan, the Truman Doctrine, the National Defense Highway Act, and the build up of SAC among many others. The types of things that I propose would be achievable in those days. I don't need to describe the kind of bitching and carping we'd get from the left if we tried the same thing today.

I deeply believe that the best way to outmaneuver a zero-sum thinking enemy is through a non-zero-sum solution. If we go to war, we haven't failed, but we haven't made the most of our opportunities. I'm not ready to give up. I don't think I'll ever get to that point.
Posted by: 11A5S || 11/19/2005 23:16 Comments || Top||

#51  "bring me a schluberry!"anytime, 11A5S!
Posted by: Frank G || 11/19/2005 23:38 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Website shows how to stage attacks in Jakarta
A website purportedly set up under orders from a leading Asian militant gives instructions on how to shoot foreigners in the streets of the Indonesian capital or throw grenades at motorists stuck in traffic. The Web site, called Anshar El Muslimin (www.anshar.net) and seen by Reuters on Friday, contains diagrams of several locations and why they would be ideal for attacking people and how to escape. Police called the website a "work of terror" and said it had been set up by one of three men named suspects this week over the Oct 1. restaurant bombings on Bali that killed 20 people.

Islamic militants linked to al Qaeda have carried out a number of car bombings against Western targets in Indonesia in recent years, but there have been no shootings of foreigners on the streets, a practice seen in parts of the Middle East. Antonius Reniban, police spokesman on the resort island of Bali, said a militant he identified as Abdul Aziz, one of three named suspects over the latest Bali attacks, had confessed to designing the website, which would soon be shut down. "This is a work of terror," Reniban said.

A lawyer for Aziz said his client had been approached several months ago by several people including Malaysia's Noordin M. Top, a senior figure in Jemaah Islamiah, a shadowy group seen as the regional arm of al Qaeda. "Several people came to him and asked him to create that website. One of them was Noordin M. Top," lawyer Muhammad Rifan told Reuters by telephone. "But he only received material supplied by others. A webmaster is not responsible for the content of the website. He is not part of their group." Rifan added that Aziz had no link to the Bali attacks.

One diagram on the Web site showed a computerized schematic of central Jakarta where it said foreigners liked to walk from an office and hotel area to a popular shopping mall. It showed a blue section that it said was the place to attack foreigners. Another showed how foreigners could be shot when they use overhead pedestrian bridges to cross Jakarta's busy roads. It gave specific examples of places in Jakarta where traffic banked up, saying this was ideal to shoot motorists or throw grenades or small bombs at targets. "Grenades can be used to make sure the injured are dead, God Willing. Grenades can be normal grenades or fire bombs so that the car burns," it said.

News of the Web site comes one day after a video was broadcast on local TV showing a masked militant whom police believe is Top. On the video, found last week by Indonesian anti-terrorist police, the masked man warns Western countries, especially Australia, of more attacks. Ken Conboy, a security expert in Jakarta who has seen some of the Web site material, said while it was a concern, it did not mean the types of attacks shown would materialize. He said militants would still need to find good weapons, funding and willing participants to carry out such attacks. "It's obviously disturbing. You don't want to see this sort of stuff on the Internet because you don't want to inspire anyone," Conboy said.

The video was among several found last week as part of raids that resulted in the killing of Malaysian Azahari bin Husin, the master bombmaker of Jemaah Islamiah. It was discovered in central Java at a house police have said was rented by Top.
Posted by: Fred || 11/19/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  terrorist trials last too long. For terrorism or plot of attacks, death penalty must be applied.

Possible alternatives:
- take out the organs (using as organ donor, maybe some have seen movie LEXX)
- welding into a cage for some low profile work
(cutting stones, wood / metal works, generating electricity by pushing pedals etc.) until the end of the days. Should be good example to broadcast for potential terrorists
Posted by: Nesvarbukas || 11/19/2005 5:26 Comments || Top||

#2  At first I thought-Take the Liver from some Islamic terrorist and put it in me? I'd rather die! But then the Irony of that would make every day funny. I'm with ya, make them organ doners.
Posted by: 49 pan || 11/19/2005 8:56 Comments || Top||

#3  Islamik Livers of Love?
That's disgusting.
Posted by: Portnoy || 11/19/2005 10:24 Comments || Top||

#4  Abdul Aziz, one of three named suspects over the latest Bali attacks, had confessed to designing the website, which would soon be shut down.

Soon? SOON? Why isn't this statement in the past tense? What does it take to deactivate a murderous web site like this, a ruling from the supreme court? Eff all mighty, there needs to be an automatic viral hack dispensed the instant sh!t like this pops up. Smoking hard drives should be the result (see graphic at top of page).
Posted by: Zenster || 11/19/2005 11:41 Comments || Top||



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