The Jordanian interior minister has said British authorities would deport Muslim cleric Abu Qatada to Jordan, where he will face new trials on charges of conspiracy and terrorist bombings for which he was found guilty in absentia. Awni Yirfas, the minister, told state television on Friday night that Britain had verbally informed authorities in Amman that the cleric "will be sent back to Jordan next week". Abu Qatada would be "retried under a Jordanian law which allows persons convicted and sentenced in absentia the right to retrial once captured," Yirfas said.
The countries signed an extradition agreement earlier this week. Omar Mahmood Othman Abu Omar, better known as Abu Qatada, was among 10 foreigners that British police arrested on Thursday on suspicion of posing a threat to national security in Britain. The detentions came days after British Prime Minister Tony Blair announced tough new proposals to deport Muslim extremists in the wake of the 7 July bombings in London that killed 56 people. Born in the West Bank town of Bethlehem in 1960, Abu Qatada was convicted in absentia in Jordan in 2000 on charges of conspiring to attack US and Israeli tourists during the kingdom's millennium celebrations. According to the indictment, his role was primarily to finance the terror group.
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Mom, I'm home.
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Jordan didn't want him back, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the teleconferencing over the wrangling of the Brits to get Awni Yirfas to take him back! My hunch is that the Brits promised to keep the kiddies and the wife and slide Jordan some welfare compensation!
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For you, 2b:"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
thou hou ([th]ou), pron. [Sing.: nom. Thou; poss. Thy
([th][imac]) or Thine ([th][imac]n); obj. Thee
([th][=e]). Pl.: nom. You (y[=oo]); poss. Your (y[=oo]r)
or Yours (y[=oo]rz); obj. You.] [OE. thou, [thorn]u, AS.
[eth][=u], [eth]u; akin to OS. & OFries. thu, G., Dan. & Sw.
du, Icel. [thorn][=u], Goth. [thorn]u, Russ. tui, Ir. & Gael.
tu, W. ti, L. tu, Gr. sy`, Dor. ty`, Skr. tvam. [root]185.
Cf. Thee, Thine, Te Deum.]
The second personal pronoun, in the singular number, denoting
the person addressed; thyself; the pronoun which is used in
addressing persons in the solemn or poetical style.
[1913 Webster]
I'm convinced your trying to get me to reveal how many degrees I have, but I will not bite!
#13
Geez. You can't even admit the obvious misspelling of a contraction? Posting a pointless load of BS text to obfuscate qualifies for trolling.
Honest neutral advice. Your posts make you look a fool. Admit mistakes. Engage people, instead of trying to sound witty. Witty you are not - at least in English. You may be a fucking laugh riot in phreakin' Swahili, but you are failing miserably here. Relax and make sense first. Snarkiness will probably come naturally later, when the language is mastered.
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Raptor...Raptor, I've already indicated to phil_b and 2b that I'm not a troll, but a highly educated intelligent multi degreed smn; however sensitive that can be! Do you know how many HEART TICKS I've wasted responding to your cutting snipes?
Now throw me down a laurel leaf!
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We should stop gobbling up troll chum. Its off target and only plays to the trolls' deranged minds.
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No, no, no, bored!
smn said he had accumulated a bunch of degrees -- not at all the same as being educated. I speak as an expert on the subject, being happily educated but degree-free myself, and the offspring and sibling of the merry professorate, none of whom have yet gotten to the point of knowing more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing at all. Although my mother did go to Med. School for her own amusement in Switzerland, and later acquired a doctorate in psychology by accident. ;-)
Seriously, smn, what have you studied? Do your degrees add weight to your opinions here, as the ones I haven't acquired do not, or were they just for your pleasure and pocketbook? I'm not asking to be mean, but because we seem to be about evenly divided here at Rantburg between those with academic backgrounds and those with degrees in Real Life (I, of course, fall into neither camp, and so am able to admire the achievements of both parties impartially).
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Careful, smn. If you are half as educated as you claim, then you are aware of the blood already pooling at your feet merely from tw posing her question. The rapier 'tis exceedingly sharp... pain will come later.
Mohammed Billal Youssaf, 23, a resident of Brescia in Italy, was arrested at Charles de Gaulle airport on Sunday after arriving from the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore and preparing to travel to London.
"On business, M. le Customs Agent, on business."
He had five false British passports and five bogus British driving licences on him, all of them filled out and containing photographs of different individuals.
"Oh, these documents, M. le Border Patrol. They belong to a friend."
The anti-terrorist section of the Paris prosecutor's office initially took charge of the case as his motives and connections were investigated and he was questioned. "In the current state of the investigations, there is no clear link with any terrorist enterprise," an official at the office said.
"He said it was a cultural thing and we wouldn't understand, so we sent him over to the Ministry of Culture. Our work here is done. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to the chalet."
As a result, Youssaf's case was Thursday transmitted to the prosecutor's office in the northwestern Paris suburb of Bobigny, which has jurisdiction for criminal offences detected at Charles de Gaulle airport.
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"No seriously, you are wondering if I am terrorizing the worlded but I am not doing or willing being going to terrorism or any negating of peace things," said Mohammed Billal Youssaf, a resident of Brescia, Italy?!?
Ummm, by any chance, do the Italians offer generous entitlement programs to foreigners? Is Youssaf a "student", "a drifter," a "goat herder"?
German police discovered four bombs Friday, just hours after the suspected bomber was killed in an explosion as he tried to rig a bomb to the car of an ethnic Turk. Police, who ruled out any terrorist motive, safely detonated two bombs they found on a terrace outside the small-town home of the intended victim, a 66-year-old Turkish-born German national. The incident happened in the small town of Barbing, about 110 kilometres north of the southern German city of Munich. Police declined to release the name of a 67-year-old man who blew himself up overnight as he was planting another device. Police said his identity had not been 100 percent established.
Bavarian coppers not used to reconstructing a deconstructed bomber.
"I am telling you, Reinhardt, we are not meant to put together again Humpty-Dumpty."
Hours later, police searched the suspect's Munich apartment and found two pipe bombs in a garage behind the building. More than 1,000 persons were evacuated at different localities as the search for bombs proceeded, and cordons were thrown up round the sites. Bavarian state police said they were still studying whether racism had been an element in the attack.
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The 67-year ethnic Turkish bomber wanted to kill the other 66-year ethnic Turkish, because he was with his ex-wife.
Police still wonder about the very professionally made bombs and where he had the skills from.
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The ancestors of the Turks are said to have been brought up among wolves. Hence, the young, the brave and the bold call themselves gray wolves - also a term favored by extreme nationalists. It is also a Turkish terrorist group with many members spread throughout Europe... a lot of them are old and well settled.
A 'red bulletin' has been issued by Interpol on the request of Turkey for a man believed to be in Germany who is wanted in connection to an arson attack by Islamic extremists in 1993 that killed 37 people, reports said Friday. Police spokesman Ramazan Er was cited as saying that the bulletin had been issued for the arrest of Muhammed Nuh Kilic, 32, who has been on the run since a court sentenced him to seven-and-a-half years imprisonment for his role in the arson attack on the Madimak Hotel in the central Anatolian town of Sivas. Hurriyet newspaper last week tracked Kilic down to the German city of Mannheim where he works in a döner kebab restaurant, having received a residence permit. Kilic told Hurriyet he fled Turkey because he believed his sentence was too long.
"Dude. They want me to stay in jug for seven years. No way, man. I'm outta here."
The July 1993 arson attack occurred when a Sunni local preacher whipped his congregation into a frenzy over a cultural festival being held in Sivas by members of the Alawite community. Kilic told Hurriyet that what particularly angered the congregation was that the writer Aziz Nesin was at the festival and that he had announced he was to translate Salman Rushdie's 'The Satanic Verses', a book which was accused of denigrating Islam.
None of this is new to Rantburg readers, but the ugliness of it all still makes me wince.
The 'red bulletin' is the most urgent international bulletin issued by Interpol in seeking a person deemed to be dangerous and wanted to serve a prison sentence or to be questioned in connection with a crime. Interpol also issues a 'green' and a 'blue' bulletin in seeking out suspects or witnesses not deemed to be dangerous.
A quick look at the Interpol home page shows them patting themselves on the back for capturing (or facilitating the capture of) a Bosnian war criminal who was first 'red-carded' in 2001. The second item is a meaningless press release about a '10-years of service' award from a South African Police Chiefs organization. So here's my question: Does Interpol actually *do* anything?
Via Right Wing Death Beast:
Muslim militants, having scared many people in three southern Thai provinces into not working on Fridays, the Islamic holy day, have distributed a leaflet ordering a work-free Thursday as well. One senior official, admitting that the initial order distributed in July had been effective, dismissed the new leaflet issued by unnamed "Fighters" as inconsequential, but some in the rubber-producing area said on Wednesday that they would heed it. "That first order scared local people. They dare not go to work on Fridays. But this leaflet, they think it's a joke," Boonyasit Suwannarat, the governor of Pattani province, told Reuters.
"Pshaw. They're just stupid locals. What would they know?
However, Yarn Rattananiyom, a rubber farmer in neighbouring Narathiwat province, said he would stay home on Thursday. "They just shot my relative this morning while he was on his way to collect rubber just a short distance from here," he said. "He is now in coma. I am not sure whether he will make it," Yarn said by telephone. "I think I might need to stop working tomorrow. I am concerned about my own safety."
Yeah. Just a dumb hick, alright.
The government of predominantly Buddhist Thailand, which marks Saturday and Sunday as the weekend, has tried a variety of policies to undermine the insurgency, ranging from flooding the relatively poor region with troops to generous development aid.
And origami cranes. Those worked especially well.
So far there have been no signs of success and most people in the three provinces now stay at home on Friday following the first militant order that it be celebrated as a day of prayer. The provinces normally produce around 600,000 tonnes of natural rubber a year, about 20 percent of the output of Thailand, the world's largest producer and exporter of natural rubber. Officials fear the violence in the region, once an independent sultanate annexed by Thailand a century ago, will cut rubber output by 6 percent this year.
Thursday is now the 153rd holiest site in Islam, kufrs.
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Buddhist Thailand:
Yep. Wake up dudes! I remember those South Vietnamese Buddhists that had no problem back in 1963 dousing themselves with gasoline and lighting themselves into a blazing fire.
Here's hoping the Thai Buddhists have a slighty modified version of that practice: In the 2005 version, they take a number of Jihadist imams and light them ablaze.
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The Thais practice Hinayana Buddhism, which is different from the Mahayana flavor favored by the Viets. I don't believe they've ever gotten into the self-immolation thing.
On the other hand, while they're really very nice people, they're also quite capable of doing terrible things to rebellious mutt-wits. I believe they're holding off at the moment because they're trying to break the habit and because Taksin's an idiot.
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well, let's hope they get over that squeamishness before they're all dead?
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German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder rejected the threat of military force against Iran on Saturday, hours after U.S. President George Bush said he would consider it as a last resort to press Tehran to give up its nuclear programme.
Schroeder, one of the most prominent European opponents of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, told an election rally in his home city of Hanover that the threat of force was not acceptable. thanks Gerhard - your negotiations are doing the other side's work for them. Traitor and coward
'I am worried about developments there because no one can want the Iranian leadership to gain possession of atomic weapons,' Schroeder said. 'The Europeans and the Americans are united in this goal. Up to now we were also united in the way to pursue this. "...but now somebody actually wants to DO something about it. We cannot stand for that"
'This morning I read that military options are now on the table. My answer to that is: 'Dear friends in Europe and America, let us work out a strong negotiating position. But let's take the military option off the table. We have seen it doesn't work,'' he said.
The comments came after Bush told Israeli television that 'all options are on the table', including the use of force.
Schroeder's opposition to the Iraq war was seen as a decisive factor in his unexpected victory in the 2002 general election, which he won narrowly after coming from behind. But his critical stance caused serious ruptures in Germany's traditionally strong relations with the United States.
He faces another election this September. Schroeder's Social Democrats are currently lagging the opposition conservatives, but the latter's lead has shrunk in recent weeks.
Iran angered the European Union and the United States by resuming uranium conversion at its Isfahan plant last Monday after rejecting an EU offer of political and economic incentives in return for giving up its nuclear programme.
Tehran says it aims only to produce electricity and denies Western accusations it is seeking a nuclear bomb.
Schroeder said he was against the spread of atomic weapons to more countries. But he included a rebuke to the current group of countries which already have the nuclear bomb.
'We don't want atomic weapons to be more widespread. And here, let me say this to those who have atomic weapons: We would all be more credible than we were in the past if getting rid of these weapons were addressed decisively,' he
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German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder declares that after two major ass-whumpings, in 1918 and 1945, the Eloi-Germans are to assume the position of bend-over and await the Jihadi insertion.
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Ah the Germans -- either at your feet or at your throat. I guess we know which way our little teutonic pals are going this century.
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Hey regular joe:
You know what's so frustrating here? When the Germans fought, they fought like hell. Just took on too much, especially in WW2. But now when we could use a little of that old German spirit to help us out, look at these jerks!
Yeah, Schroeder's done a great job on the economy also. What's the German unemployment rate these days, 10%, 12%??
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Schroeder the socialist wonder that has brought Germany more unemployed than before the 2nd world war. He'll do anything to deviate the attention from the mess he has left.
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We would all be more credible than we were in the past if getting rid of these weapons were addressed decisively
Did he just say what I think he said??? Surely a translation error. Check his bank accounts. Any recent money transfers, say, Tehran -> Frankfurt? Absolutely breath taking Schroeder et al.
/pissed off
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When is the german election again? It's time for this clown to depart the stage.
I think you might want to consider rephrasing that. Especially as they came close to achieving their primary goal (world domination was actually secondary).
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What's funny about this is that Germany doesn't have anmilitary option to reject.
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"Schroeder Tells W to Stand Down Without German Imprimatur" would be just as likely/laughable
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Where's the surprise meter? It's deja vu all over again.
But no, the German press is all over Stoiber because he's telling people the truth about the absurdity that East Germans should vote for a leftist party, whose leaders are Gregor Gysi (member of the ex commie SED) and Oskar Lafontaine (who was against reunification).
"Nur die dümmsten Kälber wählen ihre Metzger selber"
Which doesn't translate with the rhyme but means:
"Only the dumbest calves elect their own butchers."
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TGA - you've got your bona fides established here - our "German" criticism doesn't rain on you. Kind alike Teflon, if you can stand the political implications..
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Ah, yes, negotiations have done such WONDERS, haven't they? They ended the Paleo/Israeli war, they ended the Iran/Iraq war, they did such wonders of keeping Saddam contained, and they've helped so much in Timor, Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, and Nepal. You just have to have faith in them.
Schroder has no cojones, and is envious of those that do. It's time for Iran to learn that we have a different president than Jimmah Cahtah - one that believes in speaking softly and carrying a HUMONGOUS stick - one capable of wiping the entire nation of Iran off the face of the earth quicker than you can say it. Tell Schroder to remember Dresden...
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Easy, OP. No need to nuke anything Iranian more than Qom and their military/nuclear installations. I agree it is time for the HUMONGOUS stick. Time to take the fun out of nuclear proliferation. Time to give the NorKs an urge to negotiate in good faith.
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Unfortunately we're exactly in the same situation as in 2002. Schroeder needs to fight off the extreme leftists in order to win. That worked last time, with the Iraq issue.
Now he might think he can pull off the same stunt with Iran. I hope that the WH is smart enough to ignore everything Schroeder says. No reaction, please, nothing.
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I'll be the odd man out here, but non-militaristic Germans after the two world wars in the 20th Century is not necessarily a bad thing. I think most of the criticism is that the man is opening his mouth when he has nothing constructive to contribute and becomes an obstacle for others to act.
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Actually Gerhard misspoke. He should have said "Germany has no military option, we have no military power to project. We can't even defend ourselves."
The Election results the Grand Coalition will be left, left, left. Gerhard wants only to be relected and is willing to give away the security of Europe and Israel to do it. Thank you for giving Iran exactly what they want Germany. There can be no more negotation now they have what they want you stupid TRANZI bastards.
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I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that many of the European leaders truly are responsible for some horrendous dangers in the world right now.
The irony, of course, is that they are firmly convinced they are more moral than we and they will take absolutely no responsibility for the outcome of their choices.
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too true? too true. They will be footnotes in the future battle of civiliztions, with the excuse "I did what I was elected to do". Leadership is in short supply in the world. I count W among leaders
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The Election results the Grand Coalition will be left, left, left. Gerhard wants only to be relected and is willing to give away the security of Europe and Israel to do it.
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This reminds me of when President Clinton said that troops on the ground were not an option in Kosovo. Is there any way to weaken a bargaining position? The ironic thing is that by weakening the Westâs position he is actually making the military option more likely.
They've been dangerous appeasers for decades. Some of those clowns give new meaning to the term "legend in their own minds."
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#24 Frank: "They will be footnotes in the future battle of civiliztions"
No kidding. If they even make it into the footnotes.
"What did you do in the great war, Daddy Mr. Schroeder/Mr. Chiraq?"
"Well, son, I shoveled shit in Louisiana Germany/France."
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Schroeder, one of the most prominent European opponents of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, told an election rally in his home city of Hanover that the threat of force was not acceptable.
To YOU it isn't. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion....
From Geostragegy-direct, subscription req'd.
Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani said the enhanced Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile could strike targets at distances of nearly 2,000 kilometers. He also said the missile could deliver a weapons of mass destruction payload. That should be a confidence builder for the EU3 negotiators, heh. Al Kaboomi is playing them like fishes.
It's not like they built it for space exploration.
It was the first time a senior Iranian official claimed Teheran had achieved nuclear weapons capability. Israeli intelligence and U.S. intelligence have sought to determine when Iran would reach self-sufficiency in nuclear weapons. And the US and Israel intelligence agencies are playing their cards close.
Shamkhani, who has said he would soon step down from his post, was quoted by Radio Farda as saying that the liquid-fuel Shihab could also be fitted with a nuclear warhead. Iran could strike any Israeli or U.S. base in the Middle East, he said. With the result that Teheran would turn to radioactive dust and glass as a finale.
The Iranian foreign minister scoffed yesterday that the U.S. was the only country who had used nuclear weapons in war. I think he missed the point.
On Aug. 2, the Washington Post reported that a U.S. National Intelligence Estimate, ordered in January 2005, has doubled the previous assessment of five years required for Iranian production of nuclear weapons. The Post said the latest U.S. estimate concluded that Iran would need between seven to 10 years to produce a sufficient quantity of highly enriched uranium, a key element in nuclear weapons production. And where, pray tell, did the WaPo get their estimate? The Iranians have the designs already. They just need the fissile material. Bushehr will supply the Pu and the underground centrifuges will provide the U235. Proxies will move and spot the bombs.ABC-123
Israel, on the other hand, believes Iran could produce nuclear weapons by 2008. I think that it is a lot sooner than that.
Shamkhani said the Shihab-3 had a range of 1,930 kilometers, a major increase from the previous version of the missile, which had a range of 1,300 kilometers. Officials said the Shihab had been enhanced with the development of a solid-fuel engine. Over the past two years Iran achieved self-sufficiency in developing solid-fuel missile propellants. Shamkhani said a solid-fuel engine would enhance the accuracy of the Shihab and would bolster Iranian deterrence. Meanwhile, the EU3 are getting b*tch-slapped around in negotiations with the MMs and look like fools. The MMs are playing a giant game of chicken. They know that they can run over the EUniks. They think that they can run over the US and Israel. Ball is in our court on this one. Iran is doing everything that it can to drive the US out of Iraq. They are providing aid to terrorists both in Syria and across the border. They are using nuclear blackmail as a tool. Maybe they need a crimp in their oil production to send a diplomatic message via their economy. I see black ops in my crystal ball.
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They are definately swinging their sausage around and letting everyone know that they have rockets that will reach our troops, at the same time restarting their nuke program and thumbing their nose at us and Israel. So what are us crackers going to do about it?
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Notice to Iranian mullahs:
The Jew rockets can also reach Iran. Unlike Iranian ones, the Israelis warheads will actually work and can end the Persian civilization (what is left of it after Islamization).
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The MM'sÃÂ have not thought this through. We have a good chance at defending against ICBMs and will certainly know where it came from. Iran goes glass if they use a missile. No one used nukes in the cold war for a reason.
But the terrorist delivery system is much more effective, especially where it will never be clear if it came from Iran, Pakistan, or Korea.
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But can it deliver a pizza in 30 minutes or less?
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So could Saddam's improved nuke-capable FROG battlefield rockets - you know, the weapons which like captured SARIN and MUSTARD GAS stocks showed Saddam did not have WMDS! Its not the Left's fault no one understood they meant nukes only when they used the label "WMDS" - its their definitions and precepts that matter, not anybody else's - you know, "working together" and "non-partisanship". like good anti-Elitism Elitists!?
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Aw common, lets nuke em. Ya know they'll never give up until we wipe em out, so what are we waiting for?
Besides, they deserve it for being uppity. What makes them think they can pull this shit all of a sudden, just because they have a few long range missiles? We have a few thousand rockets that make theirs look like bottle rockets.
#4
Strange, "W" bucking up in front of the Israeli media; Why didn't he want me to hear this fortitude on CNN or Fox? I don't want to be spoon fed baby food...throw me raw meat!!
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In another development, top Iranian figure Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani said Iranâs decision to resume sensitive nuclear work was âirreversibleâ and warned that Western opposition to Iranâs program will âcost them dearly.â During a Friday sermon, he said: âYou could drag things on but Iranâs decision is irreversible,â drawing chants of âDeath to Americaâ and âDeath to Israelâ from the faithful.
Let's get this show on the road. Faster, please...
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OK Captian America, how about this...
"Conan!, what is best in life?!"
"Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"
I have this as my ringtone on my mobile :)
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You aren't real bright, are you smn? Or should I call you Butch, or perhaps Pat? To reveal my inner id slightly, I don't see this as a War On Terror, but a War Of Testicles! Remove the males "Herodize", remove the problem! The only female I even remotely hold responsible for these problems is Eve!
I think it would be safe to assume that "W" is aware that when he makes a very meaningful statement outside the US, that technology exists for it to be distributed worldwide. It's ok, don't feel bad, we understand your confusion. It's not like you have access to the internet or anything like that.
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Iran? I've been waiting 26 years for payback. Not holding my breath but then again, President Bush is a man of his words.
Still have that image of the remains -- a burnt foot to be graphic -- of a US soldier being held up to the cameras by a rag-headed Iranian mullah. He was killed during Carter's Operation Desert One in April 1980.
And then there's the October 23, 1983 massacre of 241 Marines in Lebanon.
The Grim Reaper has yet to collect on both those accounts.
In a show of force, founders and political leaders of the terrorist group Hamas appeared Saturday on a stage together for the first time in 10 years to tell the Palestinian people that the militant group's armed struggle will go on after Israel's impending withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. "thanks Israel, we'll keep up the attacks. Don't you dare respond" Where are the EU denunciations? Hypocritical anti-semites.
In a direct challenge to the Palestinian Authority, the Hamas leadership positioned itself in front of the group's logo and a green Islamic flag to send a message that they have the right to possess weapons and to claim responsibility for pushing Israel out of the Gaza Strip. Popcorn, please
The Hamas news conference comes just a day after the Palestinian Authority held its first official celebration â with the attendance of Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas â of Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.
Speakers at the celebration made clear that all celebrations of the withdrawal would take place under the official Palestinian banner â the red, black, green and white flag â a message to Hamas which is planning military-style celebrations of its own.
Tensions between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas are heating up in the days just before Israel begins its withdrawal, with each trying to claim victory for Israel's evacuation of 25 settlements.
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This is a most excellent business opportunties for the Weapons Division of ACME of Gaza. My ammo sales will be huge, and based on prior accuracy of my countrymen, we will suffer only light would with millions of rounds fired. Maybe now I can afford that beautiful goat I want, Praise to Allah!
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Why withdraw now? What will Israel get out of this deal? There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them in this.
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Think about it,AP.Just what do think is going to happen when after the pull-out.HAMASS' fires some rockets and mortors into Israel.Israel will then be able to say to the Euro wennies(and others)"See we have done everything that we can possably do to make a deal with these animals".I expect a no holds barred,no mercy fight.And it ain't gonna be Israel who gets wupped.
EFL - RTWT
U.S. Marines and Afghan troops launched an offensive Saturday to take a remote mountain valley from insurgents tied to the deadliest blow on American forces since the Taliban regime was ousted nearly four years ago.
The operation is the biggest yet aimed at rebels believed responsible for twin attacks that killed 19 U.S. troops in June. Three Navy SEALs were killed in an ambush, and all 16 soldiers on a helicopter sent to rescue them died when it was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.
The offensive came at the end of a deadly week for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Seven Americans have died along with dozens of militants and civilians, reinforcing concerns that crucial legislative elections next month could be threatened by a surge in violence.
U.S. and Afghan commanders said militants in the Korengal Valley, in eastern Kunar province near the Pakistani border, were intent on disrupting voting. They said the valley held hundreds of Afghan rebels, as well as extremists from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Chechnya.
"We want them running for their lives way up in the hills where they can't attack polling stations," said Capt. John Moshane of the 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, based in Hawaii. "We want to isolate them from the community."
Hundreds of Marines and Afghan special forces troopers started moving into position at one end of the valley Thursday, about 120 miles east of the capital, Kabul. They dug mortar and machine-gun pits for a resupply base in a corn field near Kandagal, a village of about 100 farm families.
Reacting quickly, rebels fired rockets at a nearby U.S. post and a troop convoy but did not hit anything.
American and Afghan forces hiked into the rugged mountains Friday and Saturday, many leading lines of donkeys laden with food and water. A-10 attack planes circled high above. The operation was expected to last at least two weeks, Moshane said.
One of the main objectives is breaking up a network of militants led by a local Taliban officer, Ahmad Shah, also known as Ismail, who claimed responsibility for the June 28 attacks, said Kirimat Tanhah, a commander in the U.S.-trained and financed Afghan Special Forces. Shah is suspected of having ties to al-Qaida militants in Pakistan, he said.
"Ismail's men ambushed the SEAL team and shot down the helicopter," Tanhah told The Associated Press. "Many of them are foreigners and have trained in Pakistan and elsewhere."
He said Shah also pays impoverished villagers to fight for him.
Lt. Col. Jim Donnellan, commander of the Marine battalion, said the valley was a base for lots of other "bad guys" besides Shah, including al-Qaida militants, fighters loyal to renegade former premier Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and other Taliban groups.
Dozens of criminals involved in timber and gem smuggling are there, too, he said.
"Some of them are thugs, others are political ideologues, coming in and throwing their money around," Donnellan said. "Many villagers are paid good money to work with the militants."
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"One of the main objectives is breaking up a network of militants led by a local Taliban officer, Ahmad Shah, also known as Ismail Soon-to-be-Dead, who claimed responsibility for the June 28 attacks, said Kirimat Tanhah, a commander in the U.S.-trained and financed Afghan Special Forces. Shah is suspected of having ties to al-Qaida militants in Pakistan, he said."
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why not "soften" up that valley and teh insurgents with a couple MOABS the brass was always showing off. At least the sale of hearing aids and eye patches might lead to tips on the ones that get away
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And remember boys, no prisoners no explanations.
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Where's the B-52 filled with napalm canisters? It'd clean out that valley PERMANENTLY, without putting US lives at risk. The do-gooders want to make war so expensive nobody will pursue it. All they do is handicap those who have to fight wars. About the third time some cave complex got hit with napalm, there wouldn't be a cave in Afghanistan inhabited for more than ten minutes at a time. Stupid "antiwar" idiots! You notice they never put THEIR lives on the line trying to get what they want. They should be the first to be put in harm's way, so their silly ideas will be proven most conclusively not to work. It also has the secondary effect of cleaning out the gene pool - something long overdue.
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Guys ... sad news on two accounts:
Apparently we did away with napalm thanks in part to the Vietnam War protesters and the MOABS - last I read, they were discontinued.
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Old Spook discussed the reasons against destroying the whole area not long ago. As I recall, quite a few of the locals are quietly helping us, and we do not deliberately kill innocents. Angry as the situation may (does!!) make us. And he wrote this while, or shortly after, working 24/7 as part of the team supporting the rescue effort over the July 4th weekend.
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OldSpook: A friend of mine in the AF has stated that part of the reason they got rid of napalm is that it was hard to handle, and they got replacements for doing the same task of "bombing an area but having the damage relatively contained, thus minimizing collateral damage."
Of course, they want to ban that munition too.
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OOPS: mistook Old Patriot for Old Spook. Sorry.
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Could be we're going light on the airstrikes because we think there's a target in the area who's body we'd like to identify.
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No idea it just has seemed strange to me that they have filmed a documentary in the area and the overal amount of firepower that seems to be concentrated there. It's obvious that those Seals ran into something they were not expecting.
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Welcome back. The hunting's sparcer as the marshall's have been scaring off trolls.
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And a good thing IMO as there will be increasingly controversial real shit coming down over the next few months. Save your ammo, friends and neighbors ... it will be a target-rich environment.
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How many more American mothers will have to lose their sons?
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Sadly too many. If only we could visualize whirled peas, bunnys and kitties would play in the sunshine and noone would ever ever be mean to one another and all the murderous Islamofascists would peacefully return to the perfection of their calligraphy. And then the brave ADULT men and women of our armed forces would not need to deploy to counter them.
You may consider yourself a victim. They do not - they are proud to serve.
Alas, regarding that visualization? Whirled peas bear many resemblances to baby puke, unfortunately, and while I'd love to see real and lasting peace I'm not hopeful that it will come anytime soon. We are at the start of a major geopolitical shift. It will take a generation - and those who would retreat into sobby slogans will no more avoid it than those who face it straight on.
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I think we have advanced a bit since 'nam. That said, the folks will paint the targets and the fly-boyz will accomodate.
No sense killing or maiming the people we are trying to protect, the same folks who will be voting.
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I suggested FAE for that valley back in July. I still think so. Tell the "innocent" to get out and sterilize the place for "pour l'encourager les autres." I know that we don't (like to) kill innocents, but did our share in WW II. We were as vicious as we needed to be to defeat the enemy and end the war.
My patience is just about exhausted. Who are the innocents? The innocents are the ones who turn the asshats in. Talk is cheap. Whiskey costs money.
From Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty, an article by By Kathleen Ridolfo
The south-central Iraqi city Samawah has been touted by Iraqi and U.S. officials as one of the calmest cities in Iraq. Some 550 Japanese ground self-defense troops (GSDF) have been stationed in the city for more than a year, carrying out humanitarian activities. But a recent surge in violence and reports of growing public hostility to the Japanese presence are prompting many to question the prospects for continued humanitarian assistance there. Moreover, the growing unrest leaves many wondering whether Samawah -- named as one of the first cities where the coalition is expected to hand over control to Iraqi forces -- is ready for self-governance.
Like Al-Basrah, it appears that the governorate has fallen into the hands of extremists in the al-Sadr trend who are bent on imposing their vision of Islamic rule on the population. The impact of this turn of events will likely weigh on the presence of Japanese forces, who are stationed in the governorate to provide humanitarian assistance through December. The Japanese government has already hinted that it would be interested in remaining in the governorate for an additional year, and media reports indicate there is an interest in bringing in private sector assistance. With al-Sadr loyalists essentially in control of the city and governorate, it is likely that the Japanese -- labeled "occupiers" by the group -- would be forced out.
The unrest in Samawah culminated last week a massive demonstration by locals outside the governor's office protesting unemployment and poor water and electricity services. Protesters threw rocks at police and police fired into the crowd, killing one and injuring dozens. The ensuing violence left several police cars burned and forced the governor to impose a curfew on the normally calm city. .....
Al-Sadr's group is said to be behind a string of demonstrations in the city that began in June. .... At the same time, the Sunni-dominated Ansar Al-Sunnah Army has purportedly claimed responsibility for at least one attack on Japanese forces in Samawah. .... Fifteen self-proclaimed members of Ansar Al-Sunnah Army identified as Syrian and Iraqi nationals were captured in the city on 14 February and confessed to planning an attack on the Japanese camp ....
Another Sunni insurgent group, the Islamic Army in Iraq, claimed responsibility for a 4 July rocket and explosives attack on the Japanese camp in Samawah ....
An Iraqi sports group and another unidentified association planned a pro-GSDF rally in Samawah for 3 July in support of Japanese assistance, but the rally was canceled because an armed group threatened to "punish" those taking part ....
On 29 July, two explosions rocked a job-training center for women funded by the Japanese through the United Nations Development Program. ....
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Article: Like Al-Basrah, it appears that the governorate has fallen into the hands of extremists in the al-Sadr trend who are bent on imposing their vision of Islamic rule on the population.
The problem isn't that they're extremists - (1) the Amish are extremists - they won't use modern conveniences because of their religious beliefs and (2) Hindus are extremists - they won't eat meat because of their religious beliefs. The problem is that they have no problem imposing their religious beliefs on others by killing those who won't obey their commands - i.e. that they are religious terrorists.
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it is likely that the Japanese -- labeled "occupiers" by the group -- would be forced out.
Last time a checked a history book it appeared that Japanese troops are hard to force out of anywhere. It takes a shit hammering the likes of which al-Sadr's Islamomutts are incapable of administering. I don't think so much has changed in the last 2 generations that the previous 2000 year old warrior code has gone entirely by the wayside.
Here's to hoping the Japanese are armed and ready to teach those animals a very hard lesson.
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They are going to go right back to the way it was before we came, 9th century shit.
They would rather sit around growing their beards and beating their women than work at building their country. However they will still bitch about the great satan keeping them down. Occupiers, I'm sick of the talk of it, if they want to go back to herding goats and living in tents then screw em.
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The Friends of Democracy website has a number of posts by Iraqis about the Samawah situation. The main gripes seem to be about corruption and the power grid. Here's one. This sounds to me like a fixable set of problems rather than impending doom/gloom/disaster/Fairbanks.
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I agree, Matt, but the lesson here is that we have to fix and not let it fester. These things have a way of spreading.
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Iraq the Model has detailed information about Samawah. It seems that the local police are shooting at people who are demonstrating for a return of order, but not interfering with marches staged by the local thugs. Whether that is because the police are aligned with the "militias" or afraid of them is unclear from the posts.
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If the Japanese troops behave the way they did in the movie The Great Raid (saw it last night, excellent film!) then the little Jihadis and their civilian enablers are in for a world of hurt.
Here's hoping a tiny, little bitty bit of the Samuri spirit remains.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A blast Friday near a mosque west of Baghdad killed four people, including three children, and wounded at least 19 other people, police and hospital officials said. Iraqis blamed U.S. forces, but an American spokesman disputed the Iraqi claim. The blast occurred on the outskirts of the town of Nasaf, near Ramadi, an insurgent center 70 miles west of Baghdad, according to police Lt. Mohammed al-Obeidi and Dr. Mohammed al-Ani of Ramadi General Hospital.
A hospital official, Ali Taleb, said a U.S. armored vehicle fired near the Ibn al-Jawzi mosque, about 15 miles east of Ramadi, after worshippers left the building following Friday prayers.
U.S. Marine Capt. Jeffrey Pool, a military spokesman, disputed the account. Pool said two roadside bombs exploded near a U.S. convoy in the Ramadi area. Five gunmen and one civilian driver were killed in the subsequent exchange of fire, Pool said.
He said the incident occurred in a rural area with "no towns or mosques for miles." However, Taleb said 14 of the 19 people wounded in the blast were children.
An Associated Press photographer at the Ramadi General Hospital saw at least three children with serious wounds being treated, including one who appeared to be in shock. One young boy had suffered a head wound.
Sufiyan al-Dulaimi, a 32-year-old resident of Nasaf, said he was stepping out of the mosque when he heard an explosion, then saw a U.S. armored vehicle about a half-mile away fire and hit a wall of the mosque.
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However, Taleb said 14 of the 19 people wounded in the blast were children.
Forgot to mention the baby ducks, asshat.
Mike
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Where are those human shields when the Iraqis could really use them? They can chain themselves to mosques and schools to protect the children from the "minutemen." I suppose they're intrest is directly proportional the number of cameras.
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Ali Taleb does as much damage with his malicious lies as an insurgent. He needs to spend some time writing "I am a liar" maybe 5 million times on a jail cell wall
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Newsweek reports that none of the now-legendary bomb-, fire- and-explosives' proof Korans were harmed.
"Seems only infidel hands and toilets can harm our Holy Koran," said Ali Taleb.
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An innocent child created by God provides a tasty treat for Satan's followers claiming to be Mujahadeen and Jihaadists. The moon worshippers and metorite cultists drool at the site of innocent children created by God. These children of God, the fruit of the one true God, are greedily plucked from the tree of life and bruised, abused and destroyed in defiance of God's plans.
These so-called insurgents that blindly follow Satan's whispers and alluring calls kill anything and anyone in a mindless, heartless and unGodly manner whenever the posionous drool building up in their vile mouths begin to drain down their scaly and unclean bodies. The stench that rises from their uncleanliness, the hissing coming from their snake-like mouths, and the forked tongues betray these so called warriors, fighters, liberators, mujahadeen and jihaadists.
They are truely known by the words they speak and the friends they keep. They are spawn of Satan to punish the families they were bred from. They are to punish those who have offended God's law. They are moon worshippers and death cult followers. They are not Muslims or Islamists. They are converts to militant Satanism plain and simple.
They sacrifice the innocent and worship the flow of blood in hopes of enpowerment from Baphomet. They murder with no rhyme or reason to gain favor from Orion. They conive, deceive, lie and chew on the orfices of swine to please Baal. They condemn everyone unlike themselves to justify and rationalize their Satanic behavior.
They aim for a path to reach the level of God-like existance to be feared, revered, respected and uncotested for the empowerment achieved. They aim for equality with that of the one true God. Their mouths are filled with words of confusion and blasphemy and invite God's wrath to wipe them out and everyone nearby. God's justice is God's justice to be his alone and yet these moon worshippers claiming to be Muslims snatch God's law as though it were of their's alone and use. Shame on these thugs and oppressors.
Shame on UBL & his maiden Zawahiri, Zarqawi and all the other thugs reaching out for a golden moment of shameful fame of media attention by butchering the innocent at Satan's direction. Finally, shame on the ChiCom elements cozying up to these dogs to distract their satanic hunger for violence and continue their hungry eyes towards the West.
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Explosion...near a mosque...after Friday prayers...near Ramadi. Sounds a lot like a work accident to me! It's amazing how many Iraqis (especially Sunnis) are red/green colorblind...
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Isn't there black in there, too, somewhere, OP?
Islamist terrorists militants opened fire on a Hindu family in Indian Kashmir, killing five people and wounding nine others, police said on Saturday. Friday night's attack comes just ahead of India's Aug. 15 Independence Day anniversary, when violence usually spikes. "The terrorists militants attacked a Hindu family of village defence committee members with automatic weapons," a senior police officer told Reuters. "Five people were killed on the spot and nine others were wounded. Five of the wounded are in a critical condition," he said.
Indian security agencies have organised groups of villagers in remote areas of Jammu and Kashmir into village defence committees and provided them arms and training to protect themselves against terrorist militant attacks. "This is a far-off place and has to be reached by a mountainous trek. Our team has reached the spot this morning and begun rescue operations and investigations," the officer said.
"Round up the usual suspects. Again."
Indian security agencies say there has been a spurt in violence and terrorist rebel incursions into Indian Kashmir from the Pakistani sector. Islamabad, which says it only gives political and diplomatic support to what it calls an indigenous Kashmiri freedom struggle, has brushed aside Indian concerns.
KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan and US forces have killed a suspected Taleban leader in their drive to secure unstable parts of Afghanistan ahead of landmark parliamentary elections next month, the US military said. Afghan soldiers and US paratroopers killed Qari Amadullah, believed to have led up to 50 Taleban militants armed with rockets and rocket-propelled grenades, during a firefight Tuesday in eastern Paktika province, a military statement said.
Five other militants were killed and three US service members were wounded during the clash, which erupted in an area where Afghan and US forces were trying to kill or capture suspected Taleban insurgent leaders.
Amadullahâs name is the same as that of the Talebanâs former intelligence chief, but Afghan and US officials were unable to confirm whether it was the same person.
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Do these guys have an inexhaustible supply of leaders? We've killed so many #2, #3 #4 ...
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It's like a Walmart greeter making CFO in 3 months - what's not to like?
/sarcasm
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It doesn't matter, as long as Mullah Omar is alive and kicking, he'll just tap the next man on the shoulder to become a field commander. The US has to find and erase Omar.
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Generally speaking, it takes six months to master any new job at the management level... then another six months to figure out how to do it really well. If the kill cycle (what is the actual correct terminology?) is inside that six months, Mullah Omar can tap shoulders all he wants -- the ability to execute (yes, pun intended, and no, I'm not sorry) will deteriorate rapidly. Not to mention the ability to bring management trainees up to the point that they are promotable, when the trainers keep getting picked off...
Egyptian security forces on Friday arrested a man and a woman on suspicion of involvement in bloody bomb attacks last month in the resort city of Sharm el-Sheik. The two were captured separately after a gunbattle in which two police officers were wounded when authorities raided the Sinai hideout of the bombing suspects, some 15 miles east of the Suez Canal city of Ismailiya, the interior ministry said. The woman was captured with an automatic weapon after others in the group escaped the police ambush and fled into the rugged Sinai mountains, the ministry said in a statement. Hours later the man was caught trying to dodge a checkpoint near a tunnel under the Suez Canal.
There are tunnels under the Suez Canal?
Damp ones, I'll bet...
Egyptian investigators were focusing on the likelihood that homegrown Islamic militant cells based in the Sinai, possibly with international links, carried out the July 23 Sharm el-Sheik attacks, in which two car bombs and a bomb in a knapsack ripped through a luxury hotel, a neighborhood full of Egyptians and the entrance to a beach promenade.
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A bomb exploded in a market in southern Afghanistan on Friday, injuring four civilians, police said. Elsewhere in the region, a gunfight between police and suspected Taliban rebels left two officers and three militants dead. The latest violence comes a day after Afghan and American troops killed a suspected Taliban leader in their drive to secure unstable parts of Afghanistan ahead of Sept. 18 parliamentary elections, the U.S. military said Friday. A U.S. service member was killed Thursday in an explosives training accident in central Uruzgan province — the seventh American fatality in eight days.
Officials have warned of a possible spike in violence ahead of the vote — the next stage in the country's efforts to build a democracy after a quarter century of conflicts. The bomb in the southern city of Kandahar was thought to have been planted in front of shoe and clothing shops that had opened for a half-day at Rangrazal market, which was officially closed for the Muslim day of prayer. Two men, a woman and a child were wounded and several shops were damaged, said Kandahar province's police chief Abdul Malik Wahidi. No suspects were arrested. It was the latest such attack in Kandahar, where a suicide bombing on June 1 killed 20 people. The victims then included a supporter of President Hamid Karzai and the police chief of the capital, Gen. Akran Khakrezwal.
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Sri Lankan President Chandrika Kumaratunga has declared a state of emergency following the assassination of the country's foreign minister, her spokesman Eric Fernando told AFP. "The president has declared an emergency," Fernando said in the early hours of Saturday, speaking hours after Foreign Minister Lakshman Kadirgamar died in a Colombo hospital after being shot in the head and chest by snipers.
Kadirgamar was also a close confidante of President Kumaratunga. The state of emergency would last for an indefinite period, said Fernando. It allows security forces to arrest and detain suspects for lengthy periods.
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Tamil touch of friendship? They know the smackdown will commence...must've been losing fodder
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Help! If you have mad Windoze98 skillz, please send me a note.
My computer caught a passel of nasty viruses a week or so ago, and shockingly, the "wait and see if it goes away" method doesn't seem to be working very well.
I was trolling thru Google Images for a smashing new graphic for your enjoyment, and ended up at some stupid gamer site.
Farking gamers.
So now I've got some trojans running loose reporting allan-knows-what back to the mother ship, annoying pop-ups, and endless offers to install "WinFix 2005." No pr0n as far as I can tell, but a lot of system instability and periodic "new" icons in my system tray. I admit the puppy dog icon was cute, but I had to put him down uninstall program "rebate retriever."
I ran out and got Norton Antivirus 2005, but the damn viri disabled the CD.
HELP!
Thanks, Emily
"Seafarious"
seafarious@yahoo.com
PS Send me email or leave a note here, I may be busy tomorrow, but I'll get back to you, promise! Assuming the haxors haven't eaten my OS by then.
1. If it's a laptop or you feel like lugging a desktop up to my place, bring it by and we'll try and kill the virii.
2. If you've still got internet, McAfee has an online virus scan. See if it'll get a bite on the bustards.
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Thank you, Fred & Steve. I've tried the Symantec online scan; it found plenty of beasties but was unhelpful in eradicating them. Will try McAfee next but not tonite.
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winfix is a spyware popup - run Adaware and Spybot (both free) then the antivirus.
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Go to google. Look up "housecall". Click on the Trend Micro website. Run the Trend Micro virus scan on your computer. Zap any viruses and spyware it detects. Run the virus scan again to catch anything that may not have been detected on the first go round. Each scan will take a few hours, so be forewarned.
Go to download.com. Download Spy Sweeper. Install the program and let it run through a scan. Delete any spyware items it detects. Buy a subscription and spare yourself a lot of headaches.
Go to google. Look up Firefox. Download and install Firefox. Use it as your default browser. It's slower than Internet Explorer but it exposes you to far fewer items of spyware.
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Oh yeah, and what Zhang said: use Firefox (or Mozilla) -- and Thunderbird
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Emily, PC Magazine has a webpage aimed at duffers like me -- that's where I found the AdAware and Spybot downloads that Frank recommends, plus a whole lot more. The programs are rated, too, and most of them are free or trials. Good luck -- when the virus ate my ability to get onto the computer, my friend the expert said I had the cleanest computer he'd ever seen ... except for that nasty little infection. ;-)
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Emily, if you have a non-infected computer capable of accessing the internet and downloading a CD, I would suggest downloading something like knoppix, gnoppix, or ubuntu (three linux distributions that run from CD without installing to the hard drive), and running a program called "clamav" (which can be easily downloaded/installed) on the computer.
Now not to get involved in the OS wars, the neat thing about this trick is that afaik there are no viruses that can infect both windows and linux. Not to mention the fact that it's hard to infect a CD.
(Oh, I just noticed about the CD.)
IF it didn't disable that in the BIOS the CD should boot anyway.
IF it modified the BIOS, you might try rearranging the cabling so the CD drive is "located" somewhere else. (So that, where it was originally (for instance) the slave on the first bus, it would be the master on the second bus. Or vice-versa...) Although I'm a little fuzzy on whether it can be used to boot with if it's a slave...
Anyway, you can usually use "apt" to download optional packages, which is how you'll get clamav... which is meant to screen windows files and partitions for viruses.
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The thing I like about Norton Internet Security is that it notifies you if any program (or inconspicuous file) attempts to access the internet. You can even configure it so that it checks if specific program modules attempt internet access. So you know if you've "got some trojans running loose reporting allan-knows-what back to the mother ship". Theoretically at least.
I'd also recommend a router even if you're not sharing an internet connection (preferably not the wireless kind, because it brings in other security issues).
For all your anti-virus needs, I recommend F-Prot (www.f-prot.com)
With these 3 things, I've never had a problem with ads,spies,younameit, though after having said this, I probably will this morning.
/2cents(2.394canadian)
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Oh, and Rafael is right too: for antivirus-from-within-windows, I have found f-prot to be useful in the past.
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Windows 98?!? Are you kidding?
Modern worms are mostly unkillable, due to Windows' crappy features. If you're really infected, there's nothing to do but gather your important data, and reformat. And don't connect to the internet while you do so, your computer is highly vulnerable in an unpatched state.
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Emily, like gromky #10 is suggesting; if you have deep registry corruption because of the many tentacles of the spyware and adware; reformatting is the quickest and easiest choice! I'm also assuming you have tried system restoral to an earlier date or trying a repair with your windows cd. In any event, after that's done, protect your pc with the many software freebees you've read about in the previous entries. I keep my machine clean with Counterspy (for the spyware and adware), Norton AntiVirus 2005 and like the others are saying FireFox as your browser version 1.0.6! Good luck.
Before you go all crazy with the others try this.
Go to: Major Geeks
and download CWshredder.
That should get rid of most of the popups and the recurring reinfestation.
Then get Spybot and Adaware and clean out the system.
Good Luck
Dan
p.s. Went through same thing in Spring looking for graphics of an Easter bunny for the wife.
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Okay, my 2 cents worth. Norton/Symantec, MacAfee and Trend (maybe others too, but I have not seen myself yet) can all be compromised by certain viruses that attack and corrupt their kernels. AdAware and SpyBot Search and Destroy etc. don't dig deeply enough. These are all half measures. So much for what NOT to count on.
Tenbril SpyCatcher (www.tenebril.com) is the most thorough spyware excavator - best by far. It has a free trial. I use it now, after having used all of the others mentioned in the other comments plus some not mentioned for years. Their ghostsurf ( a step up) contains spycatcher and allows you to surf the web through a third party protected server - you are invisible. Panda AV PlatinumIS at www.pandasoftware.com is the AV of choice; updates several times a day (on some days), has a good firewall. All antivirus programs are mostly reactive - they prevent infection from KNOWN viruses. PlatIS can catch brand new, as yet unknown viruses. Their free online scanner is good too. I think they have a free trial for platis.
Get a router - $50. - with stateful packet inspection (spi). Most routers are firewalls. I suggest a Linksys WRT54G.
The suggestions about bootable linux cd's are worth doing.
At dead worst, reformat and reinstall. DON'T connect to the internet until you get the the AV and spyware programs loaded. Plan ahead. Scan everything at least once a day.
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Carl-
Thanks for suggesting Avast! - it pulled 277 diffeternt viruses and adwares out of my trusty old Emachine! I owe you one.
Mike
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Seafarious
I used to run a script on a linux router/gateway I had that would send commands to the offending windows box to shutdown.
I quit doing it as many viri restart from where they left off after a shutdown. I got a serious DOS (denial of service) effect from all the windows machines returning to service. I modified it to get myself a new ppp address every 25 attacks but even that got too frequent.
If you put a machine on to the internet with a packet sniffer and appache web server... you will be amazed at the number of attacks per minute you will quickly get.
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If the pop-ups have "Aurora" at the on the left of the top bar, then its about the hardest to clean there is.
I've been cleaning it for people, but none of the cleaner apps will do it. Its manual hacking and slashing in the registry and system folder.
I can't even write down the directions because I still haven't fully understood how I'm finally getting rid of it.
Googling for Aurora Nail should get you some real experts who have developed directions for removal. Good Luck with it.
Brilliant headline. I'd call a pile of corpses the antithesis of "peace hopes."
Three men have been shot dead in Sri Lanka, bringing the death toll from a fresh wave of violence to 10. The killings come amid diplomatic moves to end a deadlock in the island's peace bid. Officials said the three men were gunned down in separate incidents overnight on Monday and early Tuesday in the country's east. The military described the deaths as an upsurge in rebel internecine clashes.
So it's the Tigers clawing each other. I like it when that happens.
Seven had been killed on Saturday. "We are noticing an increase in clashes," military spokesman Daya Ratnayake said. "The indications are that this killing cycle will continue as both factions try to demonstrate their strength."
"Meanwhile, we're going to send out for beer and watch the show..."
The de facto number two in the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) led an unprecedented split in March last year, and since then the main rebel outfit has been trying to retake control over the east where the renegades are active. The LTTE has accused the security forces of colluding with the breakaway group of V Muralitharan, better known as Karuna, an allegation rejected by the government.
"No, no! Certainly not! Heh heh..."
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Peshawar Assembly and Pushto
According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, the NWFP assembly was drowned in shouting when a member presented the resolution for making Pushto a compulsory subject up to 8th class in all schools of the province. An MPA from Hazara said that in his district, the population spoke Punjabi and therefore Pushto was not acceptable. Jamaat e-Islami minister Sirajul Haq also opposed the motion but ANP strongly supported it. Hazara members said that the resolution could impose Pushto on Pushtun areas only. After that, there was pandemonium in the house.
Qazi loves music
Quoted in Khabrain, Jamaat Islami chief Qazi Hussain Ahmad said that he loved music and was intellectually impressed with Maududi and Iqbal, but remembered Dast-e-Saba of Faiz too. His greatest grief was the taking of Al Quds by the Jews and he could not sleep at night after the Fall of Dhaka.
Moral police in Gujranwala
According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, the DCO in Gujranwala had given orders that all theatres showing dance would be closed down. He had set up monitoring teams who would go round checking the seven theatres in the city for dance. He had already closed down three theatres: Geo Theatre for Akhiyan karan nazaray (Eyes enjoy scenes), Roxy for Giyaran nariyan (Eleven girls) and Bilawal Theatre for Kuryan chan vargiyan (Girls like moons).
Musharrafâs star is up!
The daily Khabrain published the prediction of astrologer Dr Farooqi, saying that Musharrafâs star Jupiter was in the ascendant and he was going to become the most popular leader in the future. Something startling would happen after 22 July 2005 to make his position stronger. After August 2005, Pakistan would test more nuclear weapons. The stars were kind to Ghulam Mustafa Khar who would soon get Ms Bhuttoâs full support in the PPP.
Osamaâs brother defends him
Quoted in the daily Pakistan, Yaslam bin Laden said his younger half brother was his beloved and he would defend him if he got caught. He said he was hiding somewhere on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Yaslam was from an Iranian mother while Osama was from a Syrian mother. Yaslam was with Osama from 1978 to 1981 and was six years his elder. He was educated in Lebanon and America.
CII is âkuppiâ group!
Quoted in the daily Pakistan, JUI chief and MMA leader Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that the Council for Islamic Ideology (CII) was newly set up to let the rulers drink wine. CII members were known as a kuppi (cup) group of drunkards. He asked Shujaat and Mushahid to swear that they had not accepted the passage of Hasba Bill by the NWFP assembly during negotiations.
Shamim Qureshi and Sayd Akbar
Writing in the Jang, Javed Chaudhry stated that late astrologer Shamim Qureshi was from Kashmir where he had met a Pathan named Sayd Akbar. The same Pathan killed prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan in 1951 while Shamim stood next to Sayd at a public meeting. Shamim got his ability to predict from Benaras and he correctly predicted the death of Rajiv Gandhi. He was much sought after by the intelligence agencies.
9/11 denied on Australian TV
According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, leader of Ahle Sunnat Muslims in Australia Sheikh Muhammad Imran told the Australians on Australian TV that Osama bin Laden had not done the 9/11 bombings, nor had the Muslims done the 7/7 bombings. Osama he said was an exemplary (azeem) Muslim and there was no proof against him for doing terrorism.
âJemima goes love-crazyâ
According to Khabrain, Jemima Khan and actor Hugh Grant got so heated up (itnay andhay ho gayay) that they forgot to draw down the curtains while making love during a tryst in the UK. The housemaid entered the bedroom and saw them both in a bad situation and called her own husband to witness the act.
Using Robert Fisk in Urdu
After Irfan Siddiqi in the Nawa-e-Waqt, Irshad Haqqani in the Jang, Jamaat leader Hafiz Idrees referred to the British journalist Robert Fiskâs accusation that America and Britain were responsible for 9/11 and 7/7. In his article in Khabrain, he said that the Muslims were being victimised in the UK while Britain and the US were bombing Baghdad. He said there was an evil triangle in the world consisting of America, India and Israel.
Friend of Shamzai killed
According to the daily Pakistan, a friend of the late head of Banuri Mosque, Mufti Shamzai, and the head of the Orangi Town mosque (of Sipah Sahaba), Maulana Shamsuddin, was kidnapped and shot to death by unknown assailants in Karachi.
Boota Pir lives!
According to the Nawa-e-Waqt, in Layyah a Boota Pir has been discovered whose grave cures people of all sorts of diseases including skin disease. People use soil and oil available at the grave. Once a bulldozer was used to level the place, but the driver was stricken with blindness. The place he wanted to level contained the graves of Lal Shah and Alamdar. Then people saw dreams about surrounding the area with walls and creating a darbar. Thousands of rupees of charahwah (gifts) are showered on the grave.
Who is against Musharraf?
Writing in the Jang, Irshad Haqqani said that President Musharrafâs statement that he was in contest with reactionary (rajâat pasand) forces was not right. In fact, he had recently described the opposition of the liberals to him. He had admitted that on mixed marathons, he was in a minority together with the liberals. In the Mukharan Mai case, he had castigated the NGOs and liberals and called their outlook as dangerous as that of the fundamentalists.
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an evil triangle in the world consisting of America, India and Israel
See, this writer had a problem. He had to include India, as their archenemy, but if he did, then the US-UK-Israel-India axis would be a square. An evil square just doesn't sound right. So the UK was booted out, and he ended up with a triangle. Perfect.
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LOL Mike and Rafael.
But they coulda thrown in Australia, kept the UK and had a sinister pentagon..... another missed opportunity.
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The Jordanian interior minister has said British authorities would deport Muslim cleric Abu Qatada to Jordan, where he will face new trials on charges of conspiracy and terrorist bombings for which he was found guilty in absentia. Awni Yirfas, the minister, told state television on Friday night that Britain had verbally informed authorities in Amman that the cleric "will be sent back to Jordan next week". Abu Qatada would be "retried under a Jordanian law which allows persons convicted and sentenced in absentia the right to retrial once captured," Yirfas said.
German police discovered four bombs Friday, just hours after the suspected bomber was killed in an explosion as he tried to rig a bomb to the car of an ethnic Turk. Police, who ruled out any terrorist motive, safely detonated two bombs they found on a terrace outside the small-town home of the intended victim, a 66-year-old Turkish-born German national. The incident happened in the small town of Barbing, about 110 kilometres north of the southern German city of Munich. Police declined to release the name of a 67-year-old man who blew himself up overnight as he was planting another device. Police said his identity had not been 100 percent established. 
A 'red bulletin' has been issued by 
Islamist 
KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan and US forces have killed a suspected Taleban leader in their drive to secure unstable parts of Afghanistan ahead of landmark parliamentary elections next month, the US military said. Afghan soldiers and US paratroopers killed Qari Amadullah, believed to have led up to 50 Taleban militants armed with rockets and rocket-propelled grenades, during a firefight Tuesday in eastern Paktika province, a military statement said.
Egyptian security forces on Friday arrested a man and a woman on suspicion of involvement in bloody bomb attacks last month in the resort city of Sharm el-Sheik. The two were captured separately after a gunbattle in which two police officers were wounded when authorities raided the Sinai hideout of the bombing suspects, some 15 miles east of the Suez Canal city of Ismailiya, the interior ministry said. The woman was captured with an automatic weapon after others in the group escaped the police ambush and fled into the rugged Sinai mountains, the ministry said in a statement. Hours later the man was caught trying to dodge a checkpoint near a tunnel under the Suez Canal.
A bomb exploded in a market in southern Afghanistan on Friday, injuring four civilians, police said. Elsewhere in the region, a gunfight between police and suspected Taliban rebels left two officers and three militants dead. The latest violence comes a day after Afghan and American troops killed a suspected Taliban leader in their drive to secure unstable parts of Afghanistan ahead of Sept. 18 parliamentary elections, the U.S. military said Friday. A U.S. service member was killed Thursday in an explosives training accident in central Uruzgan province — the seventh American fatality in eight days.
Three men have been shot dead in Sri Lanka, bringing the death toll from a fresh wave of violence to 10. The killings come amid diplomatic moves to end a deadlock in the island's peace bid. Officials said the three men were gunned down in separate incidents overnight on Monday and early Tuesday in the country's east. The military described the deaths as an upsurge in rebel internecine clashes. 
Peshawar Assembly and Pushto
