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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Rest in peace sir!
They identify the U-2 pilot in the story linked below, but there's no further info on the incident.
Rest in peace sir! I can't say that I knew him, other than speaking with him at debrief, nodding to him in the gym at PSAB or wondering whether he chewed when he flew when I saw him buying some Copenhagen in Korea, but, like I said, rest in peace and thank you!
Posted by: Whising Angavinter1738 || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lord, guard and guide the men who fly
Through the great spaces in the sky.
Be with them always in the air,
In darkening storms or sunlight fair;
Oh, hear us when we lift our prayer,
For those in peril in the air.


Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/24/2005 6:39 Comments || Top||

#2  All I can add, following Mike's excellent comment, is AMEN, God bless your family and ease their grief. | an Air Force salute in your honor.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 06/24/2005 14:02 Comments || Top||


Europe
Moroccan man jailed for anti-Semitic knife threat in Belgium
Antwerp Court sentenced in absentia on Friday a 22-year-old Moroccan man to six months jail and a EUR 550 fine for accosting and threatening a Jewish man last year.

It is the first time that such a case of anti-Semitism has led to a trial and a conviction, newspaper 'De Standaard' reported.

The suspect, identified only as Chbaba B., confronted a Jewish man in Statiestraat on 7 June 2004 and said: "I am Palestinian and I want to kill all the Jews". He then brandished a knife in front of the victim.

The Jewish man cycled to a nearby synagogue and alerted police, who later arrested the Moroccan. The suspect was found to be carrying a hacksaw.

Antwerp Court ruled that B. was driven by deep contempt and by feelings of hostility to Jewish people. "The facts bear witness to unacceptable intolerance and are a form of psychological violence," the ruling said.

Friday's ruling was the second time Chbaba B., who is living illegally in Belgium, has been convicted. In February 2004, he was sentenced to eight months jail for a violent theft.

The Forum of Jewish Organisations demanded and won a symbolic compensation of EUR 1 from the defendant on Friday. Meanwhile, the court will hand down a ruling on 4 October in another case of anti-Semitic street aggression.

In that case, the 23-year-old Bart E., of Antwerp, is accused of verbally abusing two Jewish youths aged 17 and 20 years old. He allegedly called them "dirty Jews" and threatened to head butt them.
Posted by: too true || 06/24/2005 18:56 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


The Dutch-Muslim Culture War
- This is unusual - a pretty solid piece of writing in The Nation -- it mentions Hirsi Ali, it mentions the problem of Islamic bigotry in Europe -- it even mentions some solutions ---

Hirsi Ali is only the most prominent of a number of young Muslim women who have lately begun to criticize their own communities for their treatment of women. In Sweden, Fadime Sahindal campaigned against forced marriages before her father killed her in 2002 for having a relationship with a Swedish man. In France, Fadela Amara heads the Ni Putes ni Soumises ("Neither Whores nor Submissives") movement against Islamist groups she calls "the green fascists." In Germany, where six honor killings have taken place just this year, Seyran Ates, a Berlin-based lawyer, has charged the government with allowing Islamic fundamentalism to flourish under a policy of false tolerance.

In the United States, too, some of the Islamists' most vigorous opponents have been female. Asra Nomani, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, and Amina Wadud, a professor of Islamic studies, have led the fight to open Muslim prayers to women. Most of the members of the newly formed Progressive Muslim Union, which aims to provide liberal Muslims with a platform, are women, according to co-founder Ahmed Nassef.

Many conservative Muslims have been almost as hostile to these female critics as they have been to Hirsi Ali.


....Denmark has been widely criticized for passing a law in 2002 establishing a number of tests for citizens or residents who wish to bring spouses into the country from overseas: Both partners must be at least 24 years old. They must demonstrate that the marriage is voluntary. They must have a certain income and own a residence with at least two rooms. And they must show a stronger connection to Denmark than to any other country. As a result, the number of people from outside the European Union who were allowed to join Danish spouses or other close family members fell from 10,950 in 2001 to 3,835 last year. In November the Netherlands became the first to follow Denmark's example, raising the age to 21 to qualify for family reunion.

When the Danish measure was proposed, Muslim groups opposed it vigorously. But Storhaug quotes immigrant parents who now say the law has released them from family pressures to use their children as "human visas." And she says young Muslims can continue their education without fear of being married off. "It's rubbish to say the Danish policy is racist," she said. "It's the best policy for women in Europe."

Her group, Human Rights Service, is giving Hirsi Ali its "Bellwether of Europe" prize this month. "I think she is doing a great service to democracy and the future, because Islamism is the biggest threat to democracy and to Europe," she said.

Posted by: mhw || 06/24/2005 15:23 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It is my opinion that the only thing that will save us from the Islamofacists is the Islamic women who have been given a taste of what they can be and finally rebel against the utter depravity that is Islam.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/24/2005 19:52 Comments || Top||

#2  Deacon-I agree.

Perhaps as more stories are told all over the world of Islamic women challenging the "order" of things, more people in non-Islamic countries will take a risk of their own-articulately and bravely confronting people who do ugly things rather than remaining mum because they fear being accused of...some thing or another-fill in the blank. It would be great to focus on the more urgent things.

Palestinian women could learn something from the women cited in this article. The day when Palestinian grandmothers, mothers, sisters and daughters band together and force a change on this petrified religion, because they're sick of early widowhood and poverty and distress AND the evil act of homicide bombing itself, could be a day where the balance shifts and it would be worth talking about our "common humanity" and mapping out a Palestinian state.

I think this story opens the window on a possibility, not just in regards to Islam. Is it possible people want to see more clearly again? I think it's hopeful because maybe that will mean that less and less we have to point out the obvious and waste our energy and time on ridiculous things, like the "torture" of having a prisoner shiver while another person is having their head sawn off, with the MSM yawning in the background after 3 days.

Well, we're not quite there yet, but I am hopeful that people are allowing some sense of proportion back into political discourse, are willing to look at things just as they are, with both eyes open.
Posted by: jules 2 || 06/24/2005 22:05 Comments || Top||

#3  Deacon-I agree.

Perhaps as more stories are told all over the world of Islamic women challenging the "order" of things, more people in non-Islamic countries will take a risk of their own-articulately and bravely confronting people who do ugly things rather than remaining mum because they fear being accused of...some thing or another-fill in the blank. It would be great to focus on the more urgent things.

Palestinian women could learn something from the women cited in this article. The day when Palestinian grandmothers, mothers, sisters and daughters band together and force a change on this petrified religion, because they're sick of early widowhood and poverty and distress AND the evil act of homicide bombing itself, could be a day where the balance shifts and it would be worth talking about our "common humanity" and mapping out a Palestinian state.

I think this story opens the window on a possibility, not just in regards to Islam. Is it possible people want to see more clearly again? I think it's hopeful because maybe that will mean that less and less we have to point out the obvious and waste our energy and time on ridiculous things, like the "torture" of having a prisoner shiver while another person is having their head sawn off, with the MSM yawning in the background after 3 days.

Well, we're not quite there yet, but I am hopeful that people are allowing some sense of proportion back into political discourse, are willing to look at things just as they are, with both eyes open.
Posted by: jules 2 || 06/24/2005 22:06 Comments || Top||

#4  we need to purge europe of the invasion of muslims who would never had been allowed to flood our borders such as they do, without a major war.

Make no mistake it is an invasion a silent one made under the banners of being a workforce or refugees.
Posted by: Crossman || 06/24/2005 22:32 Comments || Top||


Italy Judge Orders Arrest of 13 CIA Agents
An Italian judge has ordered the arrest of 13 CIA agents for allegedly helping deport an imam to Egypt as part of U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, an Italian official familiar with the investigation said Friday.

The agents are suspected in the seizure of an Egyptian-born imam identified as Abu Omar on the streets of Milan in February 2003, according to the official, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

The U.S. Embassy in Rome declined to comment.

Prosecutors believe the agents seized Omar as part of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program, in which terror suspects are transferred to third countries without court approval, according to reports Friday in newspapers Corriere della Sera and Il Giorno.

Investigators traced the agents through check-in details at Milan hotels and their use of Italian cell phones during the operation, the reports said. All the agents are American and include three women, Il Giorno said.

The reports said another six agents were being investigated for helping prepare the operation.

They said police also received an eyewitness account from an Egyptian woman who heard Omar calling for help and saw him being bundled into a white van as he walked from his house to a mosque.

The report said Omar was taken to Aviano, a joint U.S.-Italian base north of Venice, and was flown from there to another U.S. air base in Ramstein, Germany, before being taken in a second jet to Cairo.

A judge also has issued a separate arrest warrant for Omar, news agencies ANSA and Apcom said. In that warrant, Judge Guido Salvini claimed the seizure of Omar represented a violation of Italian sovereignty, Apcom reported.

Earlier this month, Milan prosecutor Armando Spataro told The Associated Press that the prosecution was treating the disappearance of Omar as an abduction.

Spataro declined to say who was suspected for the alleged abduction, but he said Omar's disappearance damaged an ongoing operation by Italian authorities. He said he visited the air base in February.

Omar was believed to have fought with jihadists in Afghanistan and Bosnia, and prosecutors were seeking evidence against him before his disappearance, according to a report last year in La Repubblica newspaper, which cited intelligence officials.

Italian papers have reported that Omar, 42, called his wife and friends in Milan after his release last year, recounting he had been seized by Italian and American agents and taken to a secret prison in Egypt, where he was tortured with electric shocks.

Italian officials believe he now is living in Egypt, although Italian newspaper accounts suggested he was returned to custody shortly after his release.

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#1  Everybody's got assholes for judges. If these guys want to go on such a power trip, why don't they run for office?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 06/24/2005 11:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Any proof that Ol' Omar didn't just decide to take an Egyptian vacation? Sudden-like. For health reasons.
Posted by: mojo || 06/24/2005 12:15 Comments || Top||

#3  "abducted". Isn't that what the Iraqi Kurds do when they think they're arresting bad buys?
Posted by: Bobby || 06/24/2005 12:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Abu Omar is one of the guys in the Milan wiretaps.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/24/2005 12:37 Comments || Top||

#5  Judge sounds like another moonbat. So sad...
Posted by: 3dc || 06/24/2005 12:53 Comments || Top||

#6  Wow US spooks pull a rug job! Maybe somethings starting to click.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/24/2005 13:12 Comments || Top||

#7  Mysteriously unequivocally indubitably vanishing right from under their noses eh?

Judgeing by the judge I think we are making our point...
Posted by: BigEd || 06/24/2005 13:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Italian neo-kkkomunist judges arrive too late to help spring an(other) agent of terror, settle instead for some self aggrandisement, to communicate to their fellow travellers that the PR front is still the place to score revenge for joint ItalianU.S. anti terror success.

*"Omar was believed to have fought with jihadists in Afghanistan and Bosnia, and prosecutors were seeking [but not finding, apparently, much]evidence against him"

*Note, the son of sam and soddom, and ollah, in an endearing three-way, spread terror from Bosnia, such as the assassination of police officers in Serbia, the torching of centuries old christian churches there, to be rewarded by clintons sending our armed forces to fight on omars and companys behalf. And our soldiers are still there. Wanna talk quagmire, about cost, how 'bout no victory, except for the enemy? No "exit stragedy", forget a victory strategy. troops stationed, with no end in sight. freakin double talking hypocrits, straight from clintons hypocracy.
Posted by: an dalusian dog || 06/24/2005 13:45 Comments || Top||

#9  Yeah, a vacation. Thats it.

(Ops guys gotta learn better how to bundle the loose ends when working in civilized areas - better fieldcraft is important! Go Get'em Director Goss!).

And no, this is NOT on a par with Kurds picking up and jailing random Baathists.

Bobby, the left never seems to tire of making false analogies based on whatever they think will smear the US. Like other allegations from the left, this onw is wrong -and wrong headed. Are you jsut another moonbat? I pity you if you believe there is a moral equivalnce. Read and learn - if you truly have an open mind (but not one so open the wind blows thru and nothing is retained), you'll realize you were wrong.

This was a proven terr, one with considerable linkages and known past actions that were violent against the US and the west. The reasons the Italian judge is pissed is not because we got an innocent, but that it blew some Italian law enforcement investigations, apparently.

And the judge needs to get his head out of his ass: direct actions like this are NEVER undertaken without cooperation from the "home team" (i.e. its highly improbable to imagine other than the situation where Italians from their agencies were involved at several steps). Especially whent he "home team" is friendly like the Berlesconi government.

Aside from that, he can issue warrants for Mr Smith, Ms Jones, Mr Smith #2, Ms Jones #2, etc all he wants. Highly probable that they dont exist anymore (and never existed prior to being in Italy). He may as well issue an arrest order for Mr Clarke from the Tom Clancy books, for all the real impact it would have.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/24/2005 14:00 Comments || Top||

#10  If the CIA were one tenth as diabolical as this yo-yo thinks, he'd be dead by now or ensconsed in a cell in Kyrgyzastan. Now, maybe they can cut a deal with what is left of the mafia....
Posted by: RWV || 06/24/2005 15:20 Comments || Top||

#11  We're getting closer.
Posted by: 11A5S || 06/24/2005 17:32 Comments || Top||

#12  "The U.S. Embassy in Rome declined to comment"

All I heard was the clink of champagne glasses - wierd!
Posted by: flash91 || 06/24/2005 19:22 Comments || Top||

#13  I wish the CIA were doing this kind of thing, but I'm taking this report with a giant grain of salt. Let's have some more facts, please.
Posted by: Captain Pedantic || 06/24/2005 21:10 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Cops Given License to Kill Terrorists
June 24, 2005: The spurt of Islamic terrorist attacks in the last few weeks has prompted the government to give special police units "license to kill", and is turning the special police loose in southern areas where the most Islamic violence has occurred. The terrorist activity has been bad for the tourist business, which is a major part of the economy in southern Thailand.
Posted by: Steve || 06/24/2005 13:40 || Comments || Link || [25 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well it looks like the Origami Plan has been shelved.
Godd hunting, boys.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/24/2005 14:14 Comments || Top||

#2  Go get 'em!
Posted by: mmurray821 || 06/24/2005 14:27 Comments || Top||

#3  I got my license to kill Terrorists too - got it Here, and even got my permit to go with it.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/24/2005 15:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I know a license to kill is hard to get, but maybe Ima can get a license to make-out?
Posted by: 0019 || 06/24/2005 15:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Same technique worked well on the Ya-ba sellers.
Posted by: Rightwing || 06/24/2005 15:32 Comments || Top||

#6  I'd check the moskkkks first - just a hint
Posted by: Frank G || 06/24/2005 17:02 Comments || Top||


Two Thai Rubber Workers' Throats Slashed
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - Attackers in southern Thailand slashed the necks of a couple, almost severing their heads in the latest killings attributed to Islamic separatists in the region, police said Friday.
Well, who else is fond of lopping off heads?
The couple, Jad Suwanchatri, 52, and his wife, Serm, 51, had stopped their motorcycle to clear a log from a road in Yala province when assailants shot Jad and then cut the throats of the couple, police Lt. Somporn Ritthirat said Friday. The couple's dog, which was in a sidecar, also was slashed to death, he said. The couple were rubber plantation workers, Buddhists and members of a local defense militia.
And dog owners, that's un-islamic as well.
Drive-by shootings and bombings have claimed the lives of more than 880 people since January 2004 in Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat provinces, which are dominated by Muslims in this overwhelmingly Buddhist country. It was unclear exactly when the couple was killed, but police were notified early Friday of the attack, which apparently was a failed beheading, police said.
They're still dead, right?
On Wednesday, insurgents decapitated a man at a teashop in one of the most brazen attacks since a wave of violence swept the provinces near Malaysia early last year. It was the fifth beheading in recent weeks and apparently the first carried out in daylight. The first victim beheaded, also a rubber plantation worker, was slain in May 2004. The brutal killing caused widespread fear and prompted many workers to stop tapping rubber at night, when the work is usually done, and go out in the morning instead.
Also Friday, two unidentified gunmen shot and killed Kobkua Ransaewa, a school principal in Narathiwat province, while she was riding a motorcycle away from the school at lunchtime. The school temporarily closed after the incident.
Another brave attack by the Lions of Islam.
The upsurge in violence has been attributed to the return of a decades-old secessionist movement believed to have faded after a government amnesty in the 1980s. Southern Thai Muslims have long complained of unfair treatment by the central government, mainly in jobs and education.
Posted by: Steve || 06/24/2005 12:04 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Red Thingy Cross worker shot and wounded in Aceh
BANDA ACEH, Indonesia - Shots fired at a Red Thingy Cross vehicle in Indonesia's tsunami-struck Aceh province wounded a Chinese woman, the group said on Thursday, in the first serious attack on an aid worker since last December's disaster.

The circumstances of the shooting were not immediately clear to the clueless reporter, but police blamed separatist rebels for the attack - a claim immediately denied by the insurgents, who have been fighting since 1976 for an independent state in Aceh.
"Lies! All lies!"
Two shots were fired at the vehicle near the west coast town of Lamno on Wednesday evening, said Virgil Grandfield, a spokesman for the International Federation of Red Thingy Cross and Red Moon-shaped Thingy Crescent Societies. Eva Yeung, a 28-year-old resident of Hong Kong, was shot in the neck and is in a stable condition. She was flown to Singapore late Thursday for treatment. Three other people in the car were unharmed, he said.

It is the first time since the Dec. 26 tsunami that a foreign aid worker has been the victim of serious violence in the province, which is home to a separatist war that has killed some 12,000 people since 1976. Clashes between the rebels and government troops have continued since the tsunami, but have been less frequent than before the disaster. "We don't know if she was shot in a cross fire incident, or by the military, guerrillas or bandits," said Grandfield. "It is not clear."
Hey! Can't be a cross-fire unless the RAB's in town!
A Red Thingy Cross security delegate was investigating the incident.

Police spokesman Djoko Turochman accused the rebels of shooting the rebels, but gave no details to back up the claim. The insurgents have welcomed international aid groups to the province, and have never targeted foreigners before.

Rebel spokesman Sofyan Dawood said he had no reports of any clashes between insurgents and army troops in Lamno district on Wednesday night. "We have heard of this shooting, but if anyone accuses GAM of carrying it out we deny it," he said by cell phone from an undisclosed location in the province. GAM is the Indonesian acronym of the Free Aceh Movement.

Both sides have pledged to avoid targeting the thousands of international aid workers that have flocked to the region since the tsunami, which killed more than 130,000 people in Aceh. Relief agencies have said that the ongoing conflict has not affected their work there.

Since the tsunami, government and rebel negotiators have met three times in Finland to seek a peace deal in the province. The government has said it hopes to sign a deal by August.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Hope they weren't wearing the Thingy. It tends to set the natives off.
Posted by: BH || 06/24/2005 9:54 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Al-Qaeda finds safe haven in Iran
Somewhere north of Tehran, living perhaps in villas near the town of Chalous on the Caspian Sea coast, are between 20 and 25 of al-Qaida's former leaders, along with two of Osama bin Laden's sons.

Men such as Saif al-Adel, the former military commander of al-Qaida, and Suleiman Abu Ghaith, the bespectacled bin Laden spokesman, are not in hiding but rather in the care — or custody — of Iran's Revolutionary Guard. "They are under virtual house arrest," not able to do much of anything, said one senior U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

How they got there and what will happen to them is one of the more intriguing stories of the war on terror, one that is filled with secret movements, stolen communications and a failed attempt at a prisoner exchange involving Iranian dissidents. "We believe that they're holding members of al-Qaida's management council," Fran Townsend, President Bush's counterterrorism czar, said of Iran.

In an interview with Tom Brokaw two weeks ago, she added: "And we have encouraged and suggested that they ought to try them, they ought to admit freely that they're there — which they have not done — that they're holding them. Or they ought to return them to their countries of origin, which they've also been unwilling to do."

How'd they get there? NBC News has learned that in the chaotic last days before Kabul, Afghanistan, fell to U.S. troops in November 2001, bin Laden and his lieutenants made a strategic decision. Al-Qaida's then military commander, Mohammed Atef, has just been blown up in a U.S. air attack in the city, one in which a CIA Predator had pinpointed the very house he was staying in. It was time to move out.

Al-Qaida's leadership had been divided into consultative and management councils, both of which reported to bin Laden. The consultative council, the "al shura," was viewed as the more critical to the terror network's continued operations. Its members, including bin Laden and his No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, would flee east to cities in Pakistan. There, over the next few years, many key players would be picked up and bundled off to interrogation centers with great regularity. Abu Zubaydah, al-Qaida's recruitment and training leader — known as the "dean of students" — was arrested in Faisalabad. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, its operations commander, was grabbed in Rawalpindi; two of his deputies, Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Abu Faraj al Libbi, were taken in Karachi and Multan, and other lesser figures were regularly rousted by Pakistani forces.

The management council went west, to northern Iran, where the United States had little sway and the Iranians had little interest in pushing for their arrests. The group included al-Adel and abu Ghaith; Shaik Said, al-Qaida's chief financial officer; Abu Hafs, al-Qaida's personnel director; the two top aides to Zawahiri; and a mysterious Yemeni, Abu Dahak, who served as al-Qaida's ambassador to the rebels in Chechnya. On a personal level, two of bin Laden's teenage sons, Saad and Hamza bin Laden, also were taken to Iran.

That's not to say the Iranians, with their Shiite leadership, held any love for the Wahhabis and Salafists. Iranian intelligence had tried to kill Mullah Omar, the leader of the Taliban, at a palace built for him by bin Laden in Kandahar, Afghanistan. "They missed, but it wasn't for lack of trying," said a Pentagon counter terrorism official at the time of the 2000 attempt. "It was one big truck bomb. I know. I saw pictures of the crater."

But Iran was either unable or uninterested in taking the al-Qaida members into custody. Al-Qaida operatives, it was soon determined, were in communications, both personally and electronically, with the management and consultative councils. Orders were being given, commands were being carried out.

In April 2002, only five months after leaving Afghanistan, U.S. intelligence officials believed they saw a link between al-Qaida in Iran and the first post-9/11 terrorist attack ordered by bin Laden. A propane truck, used a truck bomb, breached the gates of one of Africa's oldest synagogues in Djerba, Tunisia, killing 14 tourists. Although the suicide bomber was Tunisian, Western intelligence believed that the attack has been organized by Saad bin Laden.

There was also evidence that critical meetings regarding the future of al-Qaida were being held in the relative safety of Iran. But al-Qaida decided at a meeting in Iran in November 2002 that the pressure on it was so great that it could no longer exist as a hierarchy. Two top leaders had just been arrested in Pakistan and in the pre-Iraq war environment, Western governments were putting up a united front. Instead, following the advice of a key Iran-based al-Qaida strategist, Mustafa Setmariam Nasar, the terror network decided to move its operatives out into the wider world, to the rest of the Middle East, Europe and North America.

As time wore on, the al-Qaida operatives became bolder. In May 2003, operatives in Saudi Arabia carried out the first attack in Riyadh, targeting Westerners' compounds. Thirty-five people, including eight Americans, were killed. But then things changed. As a former senior U.S. counterterrorism official told NBC News: "The U.S. government believed that the Saudis made a deal with the Iranians in 1996 after the Khobar Towers bombing. The deal was structured this way: The Saudis would not cooperate with the U.S. on the investigation, knowing that if they did cooperate, the U.S. would have the justification for bombing Iran."

In return, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the Iranians agreed not to support any terrorist attacks in the kingdom. (Ultimately, the United States charged Saudi Hezbollah members with the Khobar Towers attack and named as unindicted co-conspirators two officers of Iran's Ministry of Intelligence.) "Then, in 2003, we are told, the Saudis — with U.S. and British help — discovered that al-Qaida's management council in Iran was communicating with the al-Qaida cell in Saudi that had carried out the attacks on Western compounds in Riyadh," the official said. "The Saudis let the Iranians know and, citing the earlier agreement, demanded that the Iranians put a halt to the operations of the management council, leading to the Iranians putting the 20 to 25 al-Qaida officials in Iran under virtual house arrest," the official said.

And that's just what happened, say current U.S. officials. According to reports in the Arab media, they were rounded up and taken to two locations guarded by Iran's Revolutionary Guards: one in villas in the Namak Abrud region, near the town of Chalous on the Caspian coast, 60 miles north of Tehran, and the other in Lavizan, a region northwest of the capital that also houses a large military complex.

Publicly, all CIA Director Porter Goss will say is that Iran has "detained" al-Qaida elements. "I don't have all of the information I would like to have," he told Tom Brokaw. "But I think your understanding is that there is a group of leadership of al-Qaida under some type of detention — I don't know exactly what type, necessarily — in Iran is probably accurate. But I don't think I want to go too far into that — if you don't mind."

Whether it was a quid pro quo with the Saudis is uncertain to this day, say U.S. officials, but it's better that they are under some sort of control and not operating freely. The Iranians admit privately they have the al-Qaida officials and say they are "investigating" their activities. That does not impress Townsend. "But the Iranians are not telling us who they have," she said. "They may be telling you and there may be things in their newspapers, but they're not telling us, and they were not talking about what, if anything, what progress, if any, has been made in terms of their investigation."

Does the White House counterterrorism czar think there will be a trial of the al-Qaida officials anytime soon? "No. I do not," she said.

And does the United States have any kind of communication with Iran about the situation? "I would refer you to the State Department," Townsend said.

Isn't that a matter that might go outside of channels? "It could," she said.

In fact, says one former senior U.S. intelligence official, back-channel discussions have been a lot more concrete. "The Iranians will not give you specific names, or at least they would never give us specific names. They would always duck the question," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

In fact, he said, Iran first proposed the exchange of al-Qaida operatives for leaders of the group Mujahedeen e Khalk who are under U.S. control in Iraq. The MEK has been on the State Department's list of terrorist organizations since 1998, when the Clinton administration was trying to open up lines of communications with Iran. The State Department blames the group for the killings of five Americans in the run-up to the Iranian revolution in 1979 and various murders and attacks on Iranian diplomats and civilians both inside and outside Iran.

In addition, Saddam Hussein had financed, trained and armed the MEK, even building the group a 5,000-man training facility in Fallujah (now being used by the U.S. Marines) and used them in the Iran-Iraq War and in cross-border attacks after the war. "The exchange was never formally proposed, but several general offers were made through third parties, not all of them diplomatic," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "One reason nothing came of it was because we knew that there were parts of the U.S. government who didn't want to give them the MEK because they had other plans for them -- like overthrowing the Iranian government."

Even if there is no movement in U.S.-Iranian discussions, there have been indications over the past year of discussions between Arab states and Iran about the disposition of al-Qaida members in Iran. There was a particularly intense and public flurry last summer, according to Sharq al-Awsat, the London-based Arab newspaper, which also reported that the total number of al-Qaida operatives in Iran was 348 and leaders 18.

In June, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi said his country had in the past given Saudi Arabia some useful information concerning members of bin Laden's network that it was detaining. He did not elaborate. Sharq al Awsat also reported that Tehran handed over wanted Saudi militant Khaled bin Odeh bin Mohammed al-Harbi to Saudi authorities. Riyadh believed the disabled militant, suspected of being an al-Qaida figure close to bin Laden, surrendered in mid-July under an amnesty after contacting the Saudi Embassy in Iran.

That reportedly followed a meeting at which Syrian President Bashar al-Assad convinced Tehran during a visit early this month of the "seriousness" of using al-Qaida elements in Iran as a card in its policy with the United States. Most recently, there are reports in Iranian newspapers of the investigation proceeding and a comment by Saif a-Adel, the former military commander, in al-Quds, a radical London-based newspaper. Accompanying an article in which he praises Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq, was a note saying that al-Adel had "a lot of free time" to write.

That, say U.S. officials, is a good thing.
What officials? If al-Adel is free to write and use the Internet, then he can issue orders and other strategy documents, like the one that gave the 3/11 guys the order to hit Spain. If he can issue orders, then he can still order attacks. How in God's name is that a good thing?
This article starring:
ABU DAHAKal-Qaeda
ABU FARAJ AL LIBIal-Qaeda
ABU HAFSal-Qaeda
ABU MUSAB AL ZARQAWIal-Qaeda
ABU ZUBAIDAHal-Qaeda
AIMAN AL ZAWAHIRIal-Qaeda
CIA Director Porter Goss
Fran Townsend, President Bush's counterterrorism czar
HAMZA BIN LADENal-Qaeda
Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharazi
KHALED BIN ODEH BIN MOHAMED AL HARBIal-Qaeda
KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMEDal-Qaeda
MOHAMED ATEFal-Qaeda
MUSTAFA SETMARIAM NASARal-Qaeda
RAMZI BIN AL SHIBHal-Qaeda
SAAD BIN LADENal-Qaeda
SAIF AL ADELal-Qaeda
SHAIK SAIDal-Qaeda
SULEIMAN ABU GHAITHal-Qaeda
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
Tom Brokaw
Mujahedeen e Khalk
Saudi Hezbollah
Posted by: Dan Darling || 06/24/2005 15:38 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Al-Q higher-ups are in Iran, all right.

As honored guests.

Pfui.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/24/2005 17:05 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Tales from the Crossfire Gazette
2 JCD cadres killed in city 'crossfire'
Two Jatiyatabadi Chhatra Dal (JCD) men, one allegedly a close aide to dreaded criminal Emon, died in Rapid Action Battalion (Rab) action in Savar early yesterday.The two--Khan Ahmed Wasib Tapu, 25, former general secretary of Mohammadpur Thana JCD, and Rajib Hossain Faruk, 28, a member of the same unit-- were held by the crime-busting force in city's Pallabi area on Wednesday. The same day the Rab men also arrested seven others of the same gang. In the operation, which continued for two days in city's Pallabi, Rayerbazar, and outside in Savar, Rab teams recovered nine firearms including an AK-47 rifle, hand-made bombs, walkie-talkies, fake passports, and 40 bottles of phensidyle. The other arrestees are Saiful Islam, Shahadat Hossain, Zahid Hossain, Mohammad Rana, Masudur Rahman, Saidur Rahman Naim, and Mohammad Khorshed.
A Rab press release yesterday said Rab-4 had long been keeping a close watch on the arrestees, and recently planned a series of actions to nab the gang. According to the plans, two teams of Rab-4 raided a house in Pallabi area at about 4:00am Wednesday, and arrested Tapu and his accomplices Zahid, Rajib, Saiful, and Shahadat. Besides, they recovered a pistol, eight bullets, a high-powered walkie-talkie, and two fake passports.
Only two? Amateurs
Tapu was accused in at least four murder cases including the one for slaying Dhaka City Corporation Commissioner Raju while Rajib in at least three cases for murder and robbery, said the press release.
The arrestees during interrogation disclosed that more firearms and ammunition were still left with Masud, Rana, and Naim at Rayer Bazar.
After the interrogation, Rab men raided Rayer Bazar area and arrested Masud and Rana.
The two confessed to having the arms hidden at Naim's house at Godighar in Rayer Bazar and took the Rab men there. The Rab team arrested Naim and recovered the AK-47 (7.62mm sub machine gun) and its 88 bullets, one pistol, one revolver, one airgun, 11 bullets and two hand-bombs.
Then the crime-busting men to nab the rest of the gang -Abul and Sohel--bulldozed Tapu into making a phone call to Abul and asked him to come to the capital.
Being the RAB, they most likely threaten to run over him with a real dozer
Abul, who was holed up in Savar, refused to come to the city on security grounds. But when Tapu quoting Emon told him that they needed some firearms and ammunition by the morning, he gave the address of Khorshed.
"Ok, come on over."
Following the information, Rab men arrested Khorshed and recovered eight bullets from his possession.
GUNFIGHT
Taking Tapu and Rajib with them, a Rab team went to Niribili at about 3:45am Thursday to catch Abul and Sohel. But as soon as they reached there, some criminals opened fire on them, prompting the Rab men to return fire, said the Rab press release.
Guess they found those guns
During the gunfight, Tapu and Rajib, while trying to escape got shot and died.
Fancy that..
The Rab men recovered an Italian Petra Berreta pistol, one German revolver, one one-shooter gun, nine bullets, two cartridges, five used bullets, two walkie-talkie sets, three torch-lights and 18 bottles of phensidyle from the scene.
For Bangladesh, this is a real haul
After the bodies were handed over to police, they sent those to Dhaka Medical College and Hospital (DMCH) morgue for autopsy.
"Paging Dr. Quincy!"
Separate cases were filed against Zahid, Saiful, and Shahadat with Pallabi Police Station and against Masud, Rana, Nayeem, and Khorshed with Rayerbazar PS. Saiful, Shahadat, Zahid were handed over to Pallabi police, while Rana, Masud and Naim to Mohammadpur police. Meanwhile, Tapu and Rajib's relatives yesterday blamed the local ruling BNP leaders for the killing.
"They [BNP leaders] made my brother a criminal by giving him arms, and making him kill people," said an elder brother of Tapu, adding, "And it was again the BNP men who had him killed by Rab."

Extremist killed in mass beating
June 23: A extremist group to death at Sonakhali area under Fakirhat Upazila on June 19. The victim was identified as Shukul (35).
Police and local sources said a gang of cadres of an extremist group numbering five to six were loitering suspiciously at Sonakhali area. The people of the village challenged the cadres who threatened to kill them by blasting bombs. At the raising of hue and cry, the members of the Village Defense Party rushed to the spot and gave a chase to the cadres. They after a chase were able to detain one of them, identified as Shukul. Others managed to flee. The angry mob started beating Shukul, killing him on the spot.
And a fun time was had by all


2 snatchers beaten to death in Chittagong
June 23: Two muggers were killed in a mass beating at Chawkbazar in the city last night. According to police and witnesses sources, the incident took place at Oli Kha Mosque road area when two criminals coming by a CNG taxi tried to snatch a gold ornament from one woman rickshaw passenger at about 10 pm last night. The male passenger of the rickshaw who accompanied the woman caught one of the muggers.
After their hue and cry, the local people of Chawkbazar chased another partner of the hijacker and caught him while the criminal fled away.
"Feet don't fail me now!"
The local people beat them indiscriminately. They were taken to Chittagong Medical College Hospital (CMCH) where the doctors on duty declared them dead at about 10.30 PM last night.
"He's dead, Jim"
Police recovered one country made fire arm and one round of cartridge from their possession. Police could not trace the identity of the two persons.
Posted by: Steve || 06/24/2005 13:19 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not long ago Phensidyle was used as antibiotic; however, it has become a vindictive drug for the drug abusers. Smugglers are being caught everyday with hundreds of bottles, but the abusers continue without any obstacles.

From the Bangadaily Star.... what is this stuff?
Posted by: Shipman || 06/24/2005 14:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Better the RAB guys then the locals. At least the RAB guys kill them quick...
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/24/2005 14:22 Comments || Top||

#3  "mass beating" = speedy justice.
I hope this becomes an export item.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/24/2005 15:14 Comments || Top||

#4  what is this stuff?
Heavy duty codine cough surup, sold over the counter in India, abused by kids everywhere.
Posted by: Steve || 06/24/2005 15:46 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
U.S. troops killed by Fallujah car bomb
FALLUJAH, Iraq, June 24 (UPI) -- Five Marines and a sailor died Thursday when a massive car bomb detonated near their convoy in Fallujah, Iraq, U.S. Central Command reports. Thirteen others were wounded. Female troops were among both the wounded and the dead.
Groups of female Marines are often used as "lioness teams" to search female Iraqis and to corral and search children at vehicle checkpoints and during raids on buildings. Cultural sensitivities prevent male U.S. troops from touching Iraqi women. The Marines were assigned to the II Marine Expeditionary Force which is stationed in violent Anbar province.

Three Marines and a sailor believed to be in the vehicle are currently listed as "Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown" pending a positive identification, Central Command said in an announcement Friday.
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#1  God be with our Fallen and their families.
Posted by: JackAssFestival || 06/24/2005 13:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I presume this is a suicide car bomb.
Posted by: mhw || 06/24/2005 14:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Just heard the military arrested a "journalist" at the scene. The criminal was filming the attack, and had apparently been given advance notice.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 06/24/2005 16:26 Comments || Top||

#4  I thought the U. S. military was targeting journalists. Must need more time at the range.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 06/24/2005 16:46 Comments || Top||

#5  The criminal was filming the attack, and had apparently been given advance notice

Journalist my ass. If true, bullet to the head, film it, and the send the tape to Al-Jizz.
Posted by: Rafael || 06/24/2005 19:20 Comments || Top||

#6  "Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown"

That has got to be one of the most chilling phrases I've ever heard.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/24/2005 19:43 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
29 killed in battle with Maoist rebels in Bihar
It's a start ...
NEW DELHI - At least 29 people were killed after Maoist rebels launched an attack in the eastern Indian state of Bihar, news reports said on Friday. At least 100 Maoist rebels attacked a police station and two banks in a village in Bihar's East Champaran district, adjoining Nepal, on Thursday, the PTI news agency reported quoting a senior police official. Security forces cordoned off the area and a fierce encounter with the rebels followed, state-run Doordarshan television reported.

A senior Bihar police official said bodies of 10 civilians, including two women, had been recovered after the encounter which ended early Friday. He said two security forces personnel and a bank security guard died in the encounter.

At least 16 rebels were also killed in the encounter, the police said. At least three of them belonged to Nepal's Maoist Communist Party, while the others were from the Maoist Communist Centre which operates across five Indian states.

Several rounds of ammunition and three rifles were recovered from the site of the gunbattle, the police said.
No shutter guns?
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Kashmir Korpse Kount
SRINAGAR, India - Three Indian soldiers were killed and 20 injured when a powerful car-bomb exploded Friday near a popular tourist attraction in revolt-hit Indian Kashmir, police said. The explosion shook the famed Mughal gardens on the shores of lake Dal in the summer capital Srinagar around 4.00 pm (1030 GMT), a police spokesman said. A civilian photographer who earned his living taking pictures of tourists in the gardens was also injured.

The spokesman said explosives were placed in a car and detonated as a military convoy passed by, with a bus carrying soldiers bearing the full brunt. An AFP photographer at the scene said bits of flesh were lying inside the damaged bus and on the road.

Nishat garden is visited by hundreds of Indian tourists and locals daily. "The blast shook the entire locality, bringing people out of their houses," resident Nusrat Farooq said. She said the blast smashed window panes on many houses.

The blast triggered panic among tourists, many of whom were seen boarding their vehicles and leaving in hurry.
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On the road this weekend...
I'm going to be on the road this weekend, don't know when or even if I'll have a chance to check in. I'll be back full-timing Rantburg Monday afternoon.
Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Tell The Bird That Could Sing Country Music that I said hi, and I want him back soonest.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 06/24/2005 0:15 Comments || Top||

#2  Have a good trip :)
Posted by: Hupomoque Spoluter7949 || 06/24/2005 4:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Off to the farm? - take a brolly mate, it could be wet.
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/24/2005 6:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Have fun dad!
Posted by: All the Spembles || 06/24/2005 9:12 Comments || Top||

#5  All the Spembles----LMAO!
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 06/24/2005 19:34 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Car Bombs Kill 17
Four car bombs shook Baghdad after dawn yesterday, killing at least 17 people and wounding dozens in the second wave of attacks within hours, police said. The previous evening car bombs in a mainly Shiite district of the city killed 18 people, after a day of talks in Brussels between the new Shiite-led government, its US backers and other nations. Guerrillas claimed responsibility. Police said a suicide car bomber killed three policemen and seven civilians when he drove at their patrol in the central commercial district of Karrada around 7 a.m. A second, similar attack killed seven civilians, they said. Two other cars exploded in the same area, several minutes apart, one near a Shiite mosque. Police and medical sources put the number of wounded at between 23 and 50. The Al-Qaeda organization in Iraq, led by Jordanian Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, claimed responsibility for a "Sunni reprisal raid". Later, three further groups, notably Ansar Al-Sunna, laid claim collectively to the bombings.
Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The timeline gets a little sloppy when you have to cite the previous dya's events for emphsis. Aparently, two cars exploded without killing anyone? Who claims responsiblibity for that?

I love it when several groups claim "responsibility", when what they want is notoriety, and fear.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/24/2005 12:04 Comments || Top||

#2  but we lost at least 2 and probably more Marines today

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/06/24/iraq.main/index.html
Posted by: mhw || 06/24/2005 12:43 Comments || Top||

#3  It's ok if they want to list the dead. We can honor them. What is not ok is that they refuse to publish our soldiers' successes. And for that, we can watch them die the slow death of decreasing circulation.

What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: 2b || 06/24/2005 13:55 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Got them Talibs surrounded...
Radio intercepts indicate two top Taliban commanders are with dozens of rebels battling in the southern mountains against a blistering barrage from Afghan and U.S. forces, senior government officials said Thursday.
"Arrrr! Yez'll never take us alive, coppers!"
"Ummm... Boss? Do we hafta?"
The death toll from three days of fighting was reported at 114 — including 102 insurgents.
"Yeah! Got 72 virgins, each an' every one! Comely young 12-year-olds! Some of 'em's 9!"
"Uhhh... Boss? Those that ain't dead... Mahmoud ain't got no lower jaw now... An' we really gotta get a real colostomy baggie for Ahmed... An' Mustafa ain't got no legs no more..."
Afghan officials said they had dealt the insurgency a body blow, but such claims have been made many times before in a war that refuses to wind down.
Yeah. They're prob'ly lying. Thanks for pointing that out to us, AP...
Defense Ministry spokesman Zahir Marad said the two commanders are Mullah Dadullah and Mullah Brader, both well known names in the Taliban rebellion who are accused of orchestrating attacks across much of Afghanistan's violence-ridden south. "Afghan army officials intercepted their radio conversations" coming from a mountainous area on the border between Kandahar and Zabul provinces that has been besieged by hundreds of Afghan and U.S. troops and bombarded by attack aircraft, he said. Captured insurgents have also said during interrogations that the pair were leading the rebels' battle, Interior Ministry spokesman Latfullah Mashal told The Associated Press.
"Yeah! Yeah! It wuz them! Really! Just... Just... Put the bolt cutters down, okay? I'll tell you anything you wanna know!"
Before U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban in late 2001, Brader held many top jobs in the Islamic militia's hard-line regime, including being the commander in the capital, Kabul.
And a bang-up job of it he did!
Dadullah, who has a wooden leg, was the top general in the country's north during the Taliban regime, and he has since been accused of ordering the slaying of a Red Thingy Cross worker from El Salvador in March 2003. Mashal said three other lower-ranking Taliban commanders were among the 102 rebels killed in fighting since Tuesday. The death toll was 26 higher than Wednesday. Two of the dead were Chechens, three were Pakistanis and one appeared to be an Arab, said Gen. Salim Khan, a police commander at the battlefield.
"I dunno, Gen. Salim. What do you think?"
"That's an Arab lip if I've ever seen one!"
Twelve Afghan policemen and soldiers have also been killed, officials said. The U.S. military has reported a lower death toll than the government. On Wednesday, the U.S. command said 49 insurgents had been killed, and spokeswoman Lt. Cindy Moore said Thursday that there had been no update since then and referred queries to the Afghan government. Mashal said the high rebel casualty toll was the biggest blow to the Taliban in a year. "Their backbone has been broken. They will no longer be able to attack in a coordinated way," he said. About 80 rebels were still believed to be in the mountains holding out against Afghan and coalition forces, Mashal said. Others fled on horses and motorbikes toward the Pakistani border, about 120 miles away, he said.
"Run away! Run away!"
Mashal said most of the intercepted rebel radio conversations were in Urdu, Pakistan's main language, suggesting many of the fighters were Pakistanis.
Oh, really? Oh, I am so surprised!


More from Pak Daily Times...
Afghan and US forces killed 132 Taliban militants and surrounded four of the Taliban's top commanders after a three-day battle, said the Afghan Defence Ministry on Thursday. The brother-in-law of fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar was one of the key figures under siege in a mountain hideout, said the ministry. The claim could not be independently confirmed. "One hundred and thirty two Taliban were killed in the operation in a area on the borders of Kandahar, Zabul and Uruzgan provinces," said Defence Ministry spokesman Mohammed Nu'man Atifie. Government forces have also ringed four Taliban commanders north of Mian Nisheen, including Mullah Brader who is related by marriage to Mullah Omar and is also said to be the militia's current deputy, said Atifie. The Taliban's usual spokesman was not immediately available to comment.
This article starring:
Defence Ministry spokesman Mohammed Nu'man Atifie
Defense Ministry spokesman Zahir Marad
Gen. Salim Khan, a police commander
Interior Ministry spokesman Latfullah Mashal
MULLAH BRADERTaliban
MULLAH DADULLAHTaliban
Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Thank Allen they were spared the horrors of Gitmo.
Posted by: Justrand || 06/24/2005 0:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Well gee, thank gudness for the Pak Daily Times, at least there's one news source on the scene. NYT, LAT,...too busy tryin to get Rove. Pathetic.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 06/24/2005 1:33 Comments || Top||

#3  Time for some more killing yet, don't let them run away.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom || 06/24/2005 1:54 Comments || Top||

#4  justrand...Oh, yes...allan be praised that they may die the martyrs death rather than go to the infidel hell they call Gitmo.
Posted by: anymouse || 06/24/2005 2:40 Comments || Top||

#5  I hope the physical environment is conducive to the use of daisy cutters. I also hope we managed to perform some kind of 'Basra Road' operation on the fleeing talibs. Bbq'd mook anyone?
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/24/2005 4:34 Comments || Top||

#6  So it sounds like Mullah Omar is NOT there - too bad. But getting Daddullah and Brother would still be very good.

BTW, the international reporters of major papers are seperate from the Washington bureaus - whatever coverage there is or isnt of Pakland is not directly related to the current issue of the day in Washington.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/24/2005 8:51 Comments || Top||

#7  reuters reports battle over, the biggies either got away or were never there. Confirms death count.

AFP latest indicates battle still going on.

Fog of War.
Posted by: Robert E Lee || 06/24/2005 9:31 Comments || Top||


Armed Men Set Afghan Girls' School on Fire
PADKHWAI RAGHANI, Afghanistan - Armed men broke into a girls' school south of the Afghan capital and set it on fire, the latest attack on education for girls in the conservative country, officials said Thursday.
Beturbanned rustics, fondling their Russian-designed manhood, invaded a girl's school far enough away from competent law enforcement to be safe, and set fire to it with their characteristic bravery. It was the most recent such attack in a continuing battle between the forces of ignorance and brutality on the one hand, and the rest of the world on the other, officials said Thursday.
The children burst into tears when they saw their school destroyed, principal Zaher Din said. "The children are desperate for their classes to resume," he said.
"We don't want to be breeding stock!"
The assailants tied up two school guards Tuesday night, beat them and then doused the small building and two classroom tents with gasoline, said Khan Mohammed, police chief in Logar province.
"Yarrr! No eddication fer them kids! Illit'racy's good enough for me an' their Maw, it's good enough fer them!"
Three men from the local village, 35 miles south of the capital, Kabul, were being questioned, he said.
"C'mere, Mahmoud! We want to have a few words with you!"
Workers were stringing up plastic tarpaulins across the school's compound Thursday, and the principal said he plans to resume classes for his 665 students, ages 7 to 15, by Saturday. Interior Ministry spokesman Latfullah Mashal blamed Taliban militants, saying the "burning of schools and education institutions is an agenda of the terrorists."
Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Those darn Afghani Buddhists.
Posted by: .com || 06/24/2005 0:19 Comments || Top||

#2  What a pity it wasn't the opposite: school girls set terrorist training camp on fire.
Posted by: JFM || 06/24/2005 6:28 Comments || Top||

#3  What a pity it wasn't the opposite: school girls set terrorist training camp on fire.
Posted by: JFM || 06/24/2005 6:28 Comments || Top||

#4  ROFLMAO!
Posted by: Howard UK || 06/24/2005 6:54 Comments || Top||

#5  What a pity it wasn't the opposite: school girls set terrorist training camp on fire.

All of a sudden i have a bizzare mental image of amazon ninja catgirls in burkas carrying AK-47s
Posted by: N guard || 06/24/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#6  At this point in the WOT, the terrorists are just like the KKK or any other anarchist group - they have no real goals and they are just angry juveniles, with vague complaints, raging against the machine. Ironically, despite their delusions of grandeur, these malcontents are always just tools, funded by someone involved in a much bigger political power play.

The only difference between Islamic terrorists and the spoiled bratts who break windows at Starbucks, is the level of brutality that their own society is willing to look away.
Posted by: 2b || 06/24/2005 9:06 Comments || Top||

#7  to look away from
Posted by: 2b || 06/24/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Allah Akhbar, baby! - keep 'em illeterate, encosed an a tiny mud hut, barefoot, covered in a head to toe schmock, and pregnant...

No son by the second birth; HONOR KILLING!

IT IS WRITTEN!
Posted by: BigEd || 06/24/2005 10:36 Comments || Top||

#9  since the mullahs are the source of the Taliban direction I say set one mullah on fire for every school
Posted by: Frank G || 06/24/2005 10:52 Comments || Top||

#10  2 for girls' schools.
Posted by: anon || 06/24/2005 11:30 Comments || Top||

#11  And this is Bush's fault because .... I almost forgot! Yeah! If we hadn't invaded Afghanistan, and tried to impose our silly, liberal (ouch!)western ways on the peaceful, happy populace, the girls wouldn't have even been in school!

The KKK comparison is apt - when did the American Civil War "quagmire" end? The KKK fought on using terror tactics for over a hundred years.
Posted by: Bobby || 06/24/2005 11:59 Comments || Top||

#12  It eneded when Walter George took over the Armed Services committee.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/24/2005 13:09 Comments || Top||

#13  And formalized when Carl Vinson got the other one.
Posted by: Shipman || 06/24/2005 13:10 Comments || Top||

#14  Lost in the rubble of that article is a remarkable statement, and a courageous act.

Want to see courage? It was right there in front of you.

" the principal said he plans to resume classes for his 665 students, ages 7 to 15, by Saturday."

Brave guy to stand up and get right back to first-things-first, in spite of the risk. I'm proud that we are in the process of freeing and protecting people like him in the world. As a former soldier, I believe this is a guy that may be worth bleeding for.

We get more Afghanis like him (and the kids who have him as an example), and the war there is won for generations to come.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/24/2005 13:42 Comments || Top||

#15  It could've been worse. They could've lit the place up while the kids were in there. I'm surprised they didn't.
Posted by: tu3031 || 06/24/2005 14:31 Comments || Top||


Holy Man Plugged in Karachi
Mufti Atiqur Rahman, Shaikhul Hadis of Jamia Binnoria Mosque and Madrassa in SITE Town, was shot dead and his son and a man accompanying them were injured in an attack near the Sindh Secretariat in Artillery Maidan police precinct on Thursday night. Mufti Rahman, aged 55, was traveling in his pickup van with his son Ammar and Irshad. They were returning after giving lessons at Madina Masjid on Burns Road. When the van approached the Sindh Secretariat, it was stopped by an unidentified vehicle. Three or four assailants opened fire on the three men travelling in the van.
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Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Did any of the assailants have unsuitably young offspring, I wonder?
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/24/2005 1:43 Comments || Top||

#2  Shaikhul Hadis, so he was in charge of interperating the Hadiths of the Prophet and therefor telling the rubes how to live their lives down to the most minute and petty detail. It's holy men like him who provide religous legitimacy for the Jihadi outfits.

So he was a department head at Jamia Binori, the center of Deobandi Islam; which educated Abdullah Mehsud and the leadership of Jaish-e-Mohammad, Harkut ul Jihad Islami, Sipah-e-Sahaba and the Taliban. The fact the one of Binori's chief holy men got wacked probably deserves more attention that it will get.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/24/2005 1:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Looks like the Mufti's friend was another holy man, and was also killed. The Motorcycles of Doom strike again.

http://www.abc.net.au/ra/news/stories/s1399806.htm
Two Pakistani Muslim clerics have been killed in a drive-by shooting in the southern city of Karachi. The two Sunni clerics, Mufti Atiq-ur-Rehman and Mufti Irshad, were returning from a mosque on Thursday night when men riding a motorcycle opened fire on their vehicle. They died instantly. Irshad's son also suffered serious injuries.

The clerics were believed to be close associates of Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, a leading Sunni Muslim who was gunned down in the city last year.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/24/2005 1:57 Comments || Top||

#4  isn't Mufti Atiqur Rahman the asshat that used to walk around with that nasty-green looken fez?
Posted by: Red Dog || 06/24/2005 2:13 Comments || Top||

#5  I don't think so, I have never seen a picture or even heard of him before. The extremist Deobandi clerics tend to keep a low profile, and have little involvement in politics. They tend to be more concerned with doctrinal matters (and Jihad) rather than temporal matters.

It's the Islamist Politicians who make all the noise and get all the camera time.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/24/2005 3:31 Comments || Top||

#6  I consider it a good sign that somebody's cheesed enough to wipe out leading lights of Jamia Binori. I wonder if it's a religious discussion, or Perv, or us?
Posted by: Fred || 06/24/2005 6:06 Comments || Top||

#7  thats what I was wondering - first thought was Shia, second Pervs folks (which means ISI, or does he have a more loyal secret service?) I really doubt it would be us - if we're that deep into the details of Karachi society, Id be very surprised. I presume we are thin on the ground in Pakland, due not only to the need to be absolutely "not there" but to CIAs general shortage of good assets, and that what we've got is off in the frontier regions looking for senior AQ.

Of course IF senior AQ is actually in Karachi, and this guy is close to them, that would be something else.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/24/2005 8:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Given the Mufti's job, he may have been bumped off in a dispute over doctrine. For example he may have said,

"Mohammud's countenance was quite similar to an angel"

and someone who thought he should have said,

"Mohammud's countenance was very similar to an angel"

might have gotten ticked off.
Posted by: mhw || 06/24/2005 9:07 Comments || Top||

#9  If you look at these kind of killings, they seem like something of a broken record. A few dozen Shias get massacred, then a Deobandi bigwig gets capped, then things relatively quiet down for a while before it starts again.

See Shamzai, Azam Tariq, the late Mufti Atiq ur Rahman and numerous other turbans. The sheer repetiveness of it is one of the reasons that many Shias and Sunnis blame America/India/the Jews for the sectarian conflict; and it may well be that other forces are at play, but nothing ever comes out.

So, Iran? America? Perv? High ranking Shias within the Pak establishment? Someone looking to keep the sectarian pot boiling?
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 06/24/2005 9:46 Comments || Top||

#10 

???? HOLY MAN ????
Posted by: BigEd || 06/24/2005 10:39 Comments || Top||

#11  The real story is that he gave a pop quiz in class that day, and cheesed off the students.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins || 06/24/2005 11:40 Comments || Top||


Four killed in South Waziristan
LADHA: Assailants ambushed a pickup truck along a road in South Waziristan Agency on Thursday, killing four people, an official said. No one claimed responsibility and there was no known motive for the attack in the agency, an intelligence official in the region said on condition of anonymity. He said attackers fired assault rifles at the pickup while it was travelling from the market town of Sararogha to the nearby village of Jalalkhel Sherana. All the four victims were area residents, he said. It was not known whether there were any other people in the vehicle, which was being used as a taxi. Authorities have blamed past attacks in the area on Islamic militants targeting security forces and pro-government tribal elders.
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