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Saudi security forces yesterday gunned down two more terrorists, bringing to five the number of militants killed in 24 hours. They included four from the most wanted list.
That's good to hear...
After three men were shot dead in a gunbattle late Thursday night, security troops killed two more in the center of Jeddah early yesterday morning. The Interior Ministry named the four wanted terrorists â all Saudis â as Ahmed ibn Abdul Rahman Al-Fadli, Mustapha ibn Ibrahim Mubaraki, Talal ibn Anbar Ahmed Al-Anbari and Khaled ibn Mubarak Al-Qurashi. The four were Nos. 7, 15, 20 and 12 on the list of 26 most wanted terror suspects published after suicide bombings killed 52 people at residential compounds in Riyadh in May and November last year. The identity of the fifth terrorist was not known.
Saudi TV aired footage from the scene of an operation which began Thursday night in Jeddahâs Al-Safa neighborhood when the suspects took refuge in a building. Security forces surrounded the site on Umm Al-Qura Street in northeast Jeddah and called in reinforcements. SWAT teams kept arriving as helicopters hovered overhead. Bursts of gunfire rattled through the night before security forces stormed the building after using tear gas and calling over loud hailers for the surrender of the terrorists. The Interior Ministry said three terrorists were shot dead during the siege while a fourth suspect was captured and a security man slightly wounded. The Arabic daily Okaz quoted the wounded security man as saying that one of the terror suspects was shot dead by his comrades when he tried to surrender. Two terrorists managed to flee the scene in a car which they seized from a Saudi at gunpoint. At 7 a.m. yesterday police chased the fugitive militants to a building in the Nuzla Yamaniya neighborhood near the television building on Mina Street in south Jeddah.
One of the terrorists, who was injured in the gunbattle, died on the buildingâs stairways after he ran out of ammunition. Police shot and killed him on the scene, a witness told Arab News. Al-Anbari, one of the four wanted terrorists, made it to the top of the building and barricaded himself inside a room on the roof. From there, he exchanged gunfire with police. He also armed a hand grenade but police shot him in the hand and he dropped it inside the room, where it exploded, the witnesses said.
Nice shootin', Tex... errr... Abdul!
The latest shootout followed Wednesdayâs deadly suicide bombing which killed at least 10 people and wounded 145, drawing renewed pledges from authorities to crush terrorism. âThese criminal acts perpetrated by a deviant minority will be dealt with firmly until they are rooted out,â said Crown Prince Abdullah. Prince Abdullah yesterday received calls from Iranian President Muhammad Khatami, Sudanese President Omar Al-Bashir and Jordanâs King Abdallah condemning the Riyadh bombing. Interior Minister Prince Naif said Wednesdayâs attack would not undermine the Kingdomâs police force. âTheir morale is incredibly high,â the minister told reporters. âAttacking security forces shows the bankruptcy of the terror cells, which we are determined to track down,â said Prince Naif. Prince Naif said the Kingdomâs security forces were successful in preventing âtens of terrorist attacksâ. He added that security forces were ready to confront any attacks.
Makkah Governor Prince Abdul Majeed yesterday visited the policemen and civilians wounded in the Jeddah shootout at King Faisal Specialist Hospital in the city. The imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah denounced the Riyadh bombers, SPA said. The attack was âa cowardly crime and vile act of terrorism,â Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais told thousands of faithful who thronged the Haram Mosque.
Saudi Arabia has offered rewards of up to SR7 million for information leading to the arrest of the 26 suspects. With the death of four suspects in yesterdayâs gunbattle, the list is now down to 18. An Interior Ministry official announced on Sunday the arrest of eight suspects linked to recent deadly clashes between terrorists and security forces and the booby-trapping of cars. Security forces discovered on Monday two cars laden with explosives, which were ready to be used in terror attacks in the capital. The discovery of the two vehicles, in Arrumhiyah village 90 km east of Riyadh, brought to five the number of car bombs seized in the Kingdom within the past week.
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Rats. No al-Ghamdis on the list of the deaders.
China's U.N. ambassador sees signs that North Korea is moving toward opening up to the outside world and showing flexibility in the standoff over its nuclear programs. Wang Guangya said this week's visit to China by North Korea's leader Kim Jong Il — his last visit three years ago — the country's economic reforms, and its "unusual" request for international assistance following Thursday's deadly train explosion "all head in that direction."
"But sometimes because they have different feelings about their environment, they retreat," he said. "Then they move forward again. I hope the country will move in the right direction," he said in an interview on Friday. Wang urged the international community "to be forthcoming, be positive in responding to their request" for help for the victims of the train blast. During Kim's recent visit to Beijing, he said, China agreed to provide more economic assistance. "As far as specific programs, both sides have to agree to work it out," Wang said. "We agreed to continue and also to increase our economic assistance."
North Korea is trying to reform its economy "because without changes in their economy they will remain in bad shape, so they realize this," he said. Wang said one of the main topics during Kim's visit, which included talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao, was North Korea's nuclear program and the six-party talks aimed at ending the standoff. North Korea said Thursday it would be "patient and flexible" at the talks, adding that Kim agreed with the Chinese president to "push ahead" with a peaceful resolution. The statements, carried by the North's official KCNA news agency and central television network, were likely to be encouraging to the United States and other countries, who want China to use its leverage as North Korea's leading supplier of food and energy aid to get the country to disarm.
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they're China's pet, let them have the vet bill
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I'm sure he's in one of his daddy's concrete bunkers, 37 stories below-ground, shaking his teeth out and worrying. In about a month, he'll have enough control over himself to be seen in public again. In the meantime, be on the lookout for a NKOR diplomat stocking up on adult-size Depends.
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I don't want to see any aid from here going over there. I'm tired of us helping this shithole. Maybe when the people there have starved enough, they'll get rid of that smiling kiddie pounder on their own.
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If they ask, we will go with my support for what that is worth. One of Kim's grips on power is the continuous broadcast throughout his land of the message that the evil Americans are coming to kill babies. Allowing an alternative message into the country would be a very bad move on his part.
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Four people have been caught trying to enter Australia using fake documents, the Federal Government has revealed. Following reports that terror suspect Faheem Khalid Lodhi may have tried to obtain a false Australian passport, The Sun-Herald has been told the four were snared at Sydney, Melbourne and Darwin airports by high-tech machines used to pick up evidence of document tampering. The final roll-out of 400 machines - now operating at every Australian international airport - was finalised only weeks ago.
We can only wonder how many got in before...
While Justice and Customs Minister Chris Ellison would not reveal the nationalities or motives of the four, Attorney-General Philip Ruddock confirmed that terror suspects here and abroad were trying to obtain false Australian passports. Mr Ruddock said that if people in Australia "of interest" to authorities had their passports or overseas travel documents cancelled, they "may well seek to obtain other documents with a view to fleeing". People sometimes travelled on false documents because they had "other motives" than immigration or to evade criminal prosecution, he said. "And we've always taken the view that good border protection means good security."
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A UN plan to reunite Cyprus collapsed Saturday when Greek Cypriots overwhelmingly rejected it in a refendum. Turkish Cypriots voted heavily in favor. The rejection of the plan, which had to be approved by both communities, means that only Greek Cypriots will enjoy the benefits of Cyprusâ joining the European Union on May 1. bitch-slapped again, huh Turkey?
With 96 percent of ballots counted in the Greek Cypriot south, official returns showed 76 percent voting against the plan and 24 percent approving it. With all of the votes counted, 64.91 percent of Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" and 35.09 voted "no," according to official results.
The European Commission said it "deeply regrets that the Greek Cypriot community" rejected the plan. "A unique opportunity to bring about a solution to the long-lasting Cyprus issue has been missed," the commission said in a statement in Brussels. almost Paleo in the ability to miss opportunities
The commission, the EUâs administration, said it wanted to "warmly congratulate Turkish Cypriots for their "yes" vote." It added it would look at ways to promote their development.
Greek Cypriots were known to be opposed to the plan by U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan because it limited the number of Greek Cypriots who could return to their homes in the north of the island, which they had fled after Turkey invaded in 1974.
Ioannis Kyriakides, a 55-year-old Greek Cypriot and chemical engineer, said he voted "no" because the plan did not guarantee there would not be another Turkish invasion.
However, another Greek Cypriot, Daphne Kourra, a 44-year-old worker, said she voted "yes."
"Itâs my country and I love it, and I donât want it to be like this. I want it united," Kourra said.
Turkish Cypriots tended to favor the plan because they saw it as a means to greater prosperity and EU membership. Can Aydan, 35, a businessman, said he voted "yes." Turks and the EU - forever the bridesmaid
"All Turkish Cypriots have to vote âyesâ _ for the future of my son and for the future of all the children on this side of the island," said Aydan, whose son is 2.
Rauf Denktash, the "president" of the breakaway Turkish Cypriot, expressed satisfaction that the plan was defeated. He had campaigned against it, saying the plan amounted to the "extermination" of the Turkish Cypriots.
Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister Mehmet Ali Talat, who championed the plan, called on Denktash to resign.
Denktash said he would not step down because "the (Turkish Cypriot) state has been rescued. Therefore thereâs no reason for me to resign."
Turnout was high. In the south, election officials put it at between 88 percent and 91 percent. In the north, the turnout was 87 percent.
The plan envisages a federation of two politically equal states, one for the 643,000 Greek Cypriots and one for the 180,000 Turks and Turkish Cypriots in the north, under a weak central government. The Turkish area would be reduced from 37 percent of the island to 29 percent, requiring entire villages to be uprooted and the homes to be returned to the original Greek Cypriot owners.
The number of foreign troops - currently 40,000 Turks and 6,000 Greeks - would be gradually reduced to a maximum of 6,000 by 2011 and 1,600 by 2018.
Turkish Cyprus has been isolated for years. Legally, it can only trade with Turkey, the only country that recognizes it as a separate state.
In its response Saturday, the European Commission said it would look at ways to ease the isolation of Turkish Cypriots. "The Commission is ready to consider ways of further promoting economic development of the northern part of Cyprus," the statement said. EU rules and regs without the benefits, most likely
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"EU rules and regs without the benefits, most likely"
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The media is spinning like crazy on this, becuase they can't state the obvious. Which is the Greek Cypriots were give the opportunity to screw the Turkish Cypriots (out of joining the EU) and promptly did so. Talk about predictable.
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You don't get it. The EU is a *tiny sidenote* to the 30-year old question of the reunification of the island. Entry into the EU simply became the lure for the Turkish Cypriots to desire reunification that gave the issue a new momentum.
But you think that the Greek cypriots were interested in keeping the Turkish Cypriots from joining the EU -- why would they even care about having the Turkish Cypriots join or not join?
The question was whether the Greek Cypriots wanted the reunified state as described by the Annan plan or not. It ended up they didn't.
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Aris, I haven't been following this closely, but my recollection was that the Greeks were in favour of reunification (on more or less the EU terms) and only turned against it when the Turks were offered EU membership.
BTW 'The past is prologue.'
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Phil -- you are misremembering: with a unified island, EU membership would have been a given for all its citizens. That was never an issue in dispute.
There weren't any EU terms for reunification -- the plan is a UN plan (that's why it's called the Annan plan), even though it has the backing of US, UK and EU.
The main problem IMO is the way that the Greek Cypriots object to the terms of particication of the Turkish Cypriot community (and the powers of veto that it will hold) in the reunited Republic. Not in the EU, but in republic of Cyprus itself.
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As a sidenote -- some change in attitude on the part of the Cypriot government wasn't because of any specific change in the Annan plan, but rather because of a change in the Cypriot government itself --- the moderate president of Cyprus, Glafkos Clerides, lost in the elections and was replaced by the chauvinist (IMO) Tasos Papadopoulos.
Authorities arrested one more suspect Friday in the Madrid terror bombings and requested arrest warrants for six other people, court officials said. The new detainee was identified as Abdennabid Chedadi, a Moroccan and brother of Mohamed Chedadi, one of the first suspects to be arrested in the case. Judge Juan del Olmo also ordered the release of two Indians accused of selling cell phones used as detonators in the March 11 railway bombings, which killed 191 people and have been blamed on Islamic militants. A prosecutor asked Del Olmo to issue arrest warrants for six more people, including Moroccan Mohamed Belhadj, suspected of renting an apartment were seven terror suspects blew themselves up on April 3 as police moved in to arrest them. Another suspect was identified as Abdelmajid Bouchar, who police believe fled from the apartment before the blast. News reports have said he went down to empty the garbage, saw police, screamed to alert colleagues and ran off.
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Prosecutors believe four suspected terrorists arrested this week have committed murders and destruction aimed at spreading fear in Iraq, according to court documents released Friday. Swedish radio reported that the three Iraqis and one Swede of Lebanese origin were involved in Feb. 1 suicide bombings in Irbil, Iraq, that killed 109 people. Authorities would not confirm the report. Court documents released Friday identified them as Ferman Abdulla, Ali Berzengi and Shabo Shabab of Iraq, and Lebanese-born Bilal Ramadan. They were arrested in police raids Monday and ordered held Friday for a week on suspicions of terrorism. The court documents showed prosecutors accuse them of crimes involving "murder and devastation endangering to the public" since December. The crimes were "directed at the state of Iraq and were aimed at striking grave terror into a population," prosecutor Agnetha Hilding Qvarnstroem said in the documents.
All four denied the allegations. Hilding Qvarnstroem did not answer telephone calls seeking comment Friday. Swedish security police declined to comment on the report, although its officials earlier said the four were tied to Islamic terror groups working outside of Europe. A group called Jaish Ansar al-Sunna claimed it was behind the Irbil bombings. The group has been linked to Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish extremist organization. Citing Norwegian authorities, Swedish Radio said one of the suspects had ties to Ansar al-Islam, which is listed as a terrorist organization by the United States and is suspected of links to al-Qaida. Norwegian security police confirmed one of the suspects had lived in Norway but would not give any more details.
The court imposed a gag order on defense attorneys in the case, but Berzengi's lawyer, Peter Mutvei, said his client maintained his innocence. "He says he's counting on being released eventually. It will become clear that he is innocent," Mutvei said. Judge Runar Viksten said there were "reasonable grounds" to detain the suspects — the lowest level of suspicion under Swedish law and means the suspects are typically released unless prosecutors can provide more proof at the next detention hearing.
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The retrial of the only person ever convicted in the Sept. 11 attacks will begin at a Hamburg court in August, the Moroccan's lawyer said Friday. Mounir el Motassadeq, whose conviction on charges of aiding the Sept. 11 plotters was overturned by federal appeals judges in March, won his release from prison earlier this month after the Hamburg state court ruled that the evidence against him was too weak to hold him pending the retrial. The Hamburg court has now set the trial opening for Aug. 10, lawyer Josef Graessle-Muenscher said. The trial could last until the end of the year, he added. The court originally planned to start the retrial in June, but put back the date after consulting with both sides in the proceedings, Graessle-Muenscher said.
El Motassadeq is charged with more than 3,000 counts of accessory to murder and membership in a terrorist organization. He was convicted on those charges in February 2003 and given the maximum 15-year prison sentence. However, a federal appeals court threw out the conviction and ordered a retrial, saying he was denied a fair trial because the U.S. government refused access to his friend Ramzi Binalshibh — a Yemeni captured in Pakistan on the first anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks. The Hamburg court then ordered his release. El Motassadeq was ordered to stay in Hamburg and report to police twice a week. He was not required to post bail. El Motassadeq, 30, has acknowledged training at an al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan and being lovers close friends with Hamburg-based suicide hijackers Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah. But he has denied knowing of the plot to attack the United States.
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A court cleared the way Friday for the return to France of a Muslim cleric who was expelled to Algeria after advocating wife-beating and stoning of women.
Nice while it lasted, eh?
Wednesday's expulsion of Abdelkader Bouziane separated him from his children who remain in France, the administrative court in the southern city of Lyon said, temporarily suspending the deportation. The ruling allows the imam to return to France at his own cost — at least until the court rules in several weeks whether the expulsion order was legal. The court did not order the French government to arrange his return, but expressed "serious doubt" about the order's legality. Bouziane, 52, imam of a mosque in the Lyon suburb of Venissieux, told the April edition of Lyon Mag that a man could beat his wife "under certain conditions, notably if the woman cheats on her husband." He claimed that the Quran, the Muslim holy book, authorizes such punishment — an interpretation rejected by most Muslims. He also said he also favors stoning women.
Interior Minister Dominique de Villepin said Friday he would furnish the Lyon court with additional information to justify Bouziane's expulsion. De Villepin also lodged an appeal, to be examined Monday, against the court's decision to suspend the expulsion order. Bouziane was expelled to Algeria on Wednesday, a day after his remarks were widely reported by French news media and drew swift reaction from authorities and Muslim leaders. Bouziane's lawyer, Mahmoud Hebia, said Wednesday that an appeal would be based on the grounds that his client should not be separated from his family — two wives and 16 children — that remained in France.
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In France, the custom is a wife and mistresses.
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Bouziane, 52, imam of a mosque in the Lyon suburb of Venissieux, told the April edition of Lyon Mag that a man could beat his wife "under certain conditions, notably if the woman cheats on her husband." He claimed that the Quran, the Muslim holy book, authorizes such punishment â an interpretation rejected by most Muslims.
Actually, that is indeed true: Most Muslims would advocate STONING the woman, rather than just beating her.
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Bouziane's lawyer, Mahmoud Hebia, said Wednesday that an appeal would be based on the grounds that his client should not be separated from his family â two wives and 16 children â that remained in France.
JFM-- c'est vrai??? Polygamy is legal in France???
IRAQ: ITALIAN MUSLIMS, "AGAINST THE WAR AND TERRORISM"
"Against the war, against terrorism"; this is the title of a document approved by the most important Muslim organisations in Italy: the UCOII, the A.C.E.I., the A.D.M.I., and the Sufi Jerrahi-Halveti Al Wakf al Islami Fraternity. "It is our collective duty, as fathers and mothers, as believers and lay, as men and women of good will to fight strongly for the freedom of peoples and individuals, denying violence any physical, mental, and cultural space, fighting to recover hand in hand the ground lost in these years of threats and repression, of the militarisation of society, of wars on our account and for third parties, of a progressive reduction of rights and civil freedom."
The document asks for the withdrawal of Italian soldiers from Iraq and asks for integration to defeat terrorism. It writes about the deaths in Iraq over the last days and talks of ever greater insecurity in minds and hearts. It calls the attackers, "nihilistic demons" and calls all the car bombings blasphemous asking for reflection on the victims of these and of Apache helicopters as well as those of New York, Casablanca, Dar as-Salam, Nairobi, Istanbul". According to Italian Muslims, "the violence against men, women and children on this planet has now reached an intolerable level for any live conscience, fed by a military industrial complex that feeds obscenely on the blood that it sheds."(AGI) . Arenât they impartial. They make a good case for keeping Muslims out of the Free World.
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I'm really happy to see this kind of stuff making the print. The majority of EU and American citizens don't seem to grasp that the Islamic world is united in its goal to bring us a Caliphate.
It took me awhile to believe that a good percentage of the "moderate" Muslims share in this ideal. The bottom line is that their religion (where it's ok to break all laws, agreements and even murder - as long as you are "promoting the spread of Islam") is simply not compatible with a civilized democracy that is based on the freedoms that we hold dear.
The sooner as we address that as the primary problem, the better off we will be. Articles like these help that reality to sink in.
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What do the title and the first comment have to do with the posted text?
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The article implies that Italian muslims believe there is a moral equivalence between terrorists and the military forces seeking to suppress them. I think it's a bit of stretch to view this as endorsement of reestablishing the Caliphate.
Living in Italy has had an effect on these folks. They sound more like garden variety Italian communists than jihadis.
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I think it's a bit of stretch to view this as endorsement of reestablishing the Caliphate.
Not at all. The "against terrorism" bit in their signs is window-dressing, or directed at terrorism that kills Arabs. They hardly mean the type that kills infidels.
And I have no doubt they're getting support from the local communists; the left has once more found a group of third-world thugs to get all warm and fuzzy about.
Mike: Calling for us to stop fighting terrorism is equal to calling for the victory of terrorists. A street protest isn't going to stop the jihad, and these members of the Filth Column are aware of it.
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Judging from this article, this group denounces terrorism and advocates integration. There's nothing here about "letting terrorists win" or about "bringing us a Caliphate."
Don't get me wrong. I dont' subscribe to the criticism of our war in Iraq, which I myself consider to be part of our just war on terrorism. I do grant, though, that there are respectable positions of denouncing both terrorism and that war.
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We're getting to the point where massive forcible deportation is going to be unavoidable. It really is going to be "them or us."
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The document asks for the withdrawal of Italian soldiers from Iraq and asks for integration to defeat terrorism.
Mike, I'd agree with you if you could convince me that the majority of moderate Muslims intend to integrate, rather than change us from within. Sorry, I'm not really up listening to the call for prayers on the local loudspeaker when I wake up in the morning.
I'm open to be convinced - it's just that I'd prefer that the Muslim's tell me themselves that this is what they want - instead of others speaking for them.
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A street protest isn't going to stop the jihad, and these members of the Filth Column are aware of it.
Have we tried the stilts? Have we tried the Jesterman? Have we tried 11 chants in the noon day sun? Puppets? See? Give us a chance.
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B, Read carefully: "Integration to stop terrorism" is included in the same sentence as "withdrawing Italian troops", which is something only the Italian government can do. They're obliquely saying that if the Italians "integrate" into a future Caliphate (something the Italian government can do via a surrender treaty), there won't be terrorist attacks, since the Koran extends protection over good Dhimmini Christian Italians and Jews.
Everything else is standard LLL, socialist, anti-globalist boilerplate.
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The posted text says that this particular group denounce terrorism and advocates integration. If you insist, though, I suppose that they do indeed advocate terrorism and denounce integration. WhatEVER!
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This last line is what did it for me:
fed by a military industrial complex that feeds obscenely on the blood that it sheds
This is referring to the jihadis, right? /sarcasm
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caught at LGF. Idiots...
"Were the Nazis heroes? Didnât they also die for what they thought was right? Havenât we all learned by now that *everyone* is doing what they think is right. The question is, what can be observed about their actions. Fighting in Iraq or in Afghanistan means youâre fighting for the wealth and power of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, et al. We now have pipelines being built across both countries. Was that worth dying for? Does dying for pipelines make one a hero? Conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq are worse than before the invasions." The same stomach-turning tripe that Antiwar, Murat, NMM put out, but without their "charm"
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Just when you think the Left can't go any lower, they do.
And Pat graduated from college early with a high GPA, yet he's still a "dumb jock."
How disrespectful of the dead and of someone who died for their freedom to say this moronic crap.
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Besides stating the obvious that these people are disgusting moral relativists. They are wrong. Many know that they are evil. Possibly even the writer of the article here. I also am amazed how they point out what conditions are in countries that they live half a world a way from and really have no concept of what is going on, as if it is fact. BTW, I don't think the entire left is this bad, I think this is a small minority of them.
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He fought and died so the Afghans would have the chance to exercise the same right of free speech that these asshats use to condemn him. Isn't the irony beautiful?
God bless you and keep you, Pat.
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Note that the most vicious terror-enablers and fifth columnists invariably base their assaults on Halliburtonish conspiracy theories.
I think we could win the war and spare thousands of American and Muslim lives by elminating everyone on a carefully selected list of the top 50 conspiracy mongers in the global media culture.
There, I said it.
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AC - I wish we could reject their citizenship (since they are traitors) and make them live as workers in Cuba...that worker's paradise they all love so dearly. As a deterrent to other traitors, we could video their latte withdrawls for the world to see.
As for Pat - he's a true American hero. My big fear is that some LLL reporter pointed him out to the enemy as a big propaganda hit. Isn't it sad that the thought even crosses my mind? There will be no way to know of course, and it's probably not true - but he's such a good guy, it's just hard for me to believe that he didn't survive. OTOH, each death in Iraq, is an equally devastaing blow to their families. Sigh.
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I can't name names, but I have positive knowledge that at least a few high-level media professionals (HIGH. LEVEL.) are privately in favor of the kind of drastic action I suggested in my post above. Not all of these are conservatives, not by any means.
The threat of nihilist idiotarianism is not limited to Republicans, and there are forces at work within the Democratic Party and the academic culture whose nature and existence are not even suspected in the larger culture of the left.
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Hey indymedia, don't look now, but because of our "2-dimensional western greed" as the sole motivation for overthrowing the taliban, women don't have to wear burkhas there anymore. Girls have retured to school. Remember that sickening video of the woman being publicly tortured and humiliated before finally being shot in the head in front of a packed soccer stadium? That was Taliban government approved activity, you shmucks! While you and your hippie wanna-be buddies had huge protests for the oppressed women, demanding that President Clinton do something about the horrible conditions that reduced women in countries like Afghanistan to a status slightly above dog feces, he himself was betraying and deceiving his own wife and daughter while seducing young female interns!
You'd be the first to condemn the "obscene" salaries that "dumb jock" athletes are paid, while other people in the world are living in poverty. However, when one of them shows the heart, and willingness to use it even at risk to his own life, to affect the changes you impotently whine for, you condemn him. How ironic it is that you villify someone who "dropped out" from a life of comfort, stardom and wealth to pursue higher ideals.
Actually it's not ironic at all. Simply put, you're jealous that here was visible case of someone making the real ultimate sacrifice for the ideals of liberty and freedom, revealing, in stark contrast, people like you, who do nothing but impotentaly whine for.
You call yourselves "Independant" media? Bull! You insult the word.
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AC - times have changed since 911. Americans are waking up to realize that we have entered a new century and that the problems of the 20th Century are old problems and that the new problems require new thought.
I don't know how we should deal with these traitors amongst us. But I agree that they will need to be dealt with.
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Actually it's not ironic at all. Simply put, you're jealous that here was visible case of someone making the real ultimate sacrifice for the ideals of liberty and freedom, revealing, in stark contrast, people like you, who do nothing but impotentaly whine for.
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Aris, you're quite right, but real conspiracies do exist so this is nothing new.
The conspiracy mongers do not simply allege the existence of conspiracies, they attribute large-scale events to conspiracies that basically could not exist by virtue of their intricacy and scale.
There is a big difference between, say, the Israeli Gideon project (which was a real conspiracy in the literal sense of the term) and an allegation that a unified conspiracy of media, corporations and politicians has dominated American foreign policy for decades on end.
One significant difference is the allegation by the conspiracy mongers that the media are collectively controlled by the over-arching conspiracy.
Anyone who knows anything about the media industry will realize that this cannot be. Indeed, the existence of conspiracy theorists themselves is proof that no such control exists.
Carl,
Yes, an on-air reporter for one of the alphabet networks, a noted liberal, has told me that he believes that extremists in the media have moved well beyond the Constitutional limits of free speech in their incitement of Islamic revolution. At the same time, he recognizes that legal remedies do exist, but cannot be used in fact because of changes in public perception over the last half-century, the defacto legalization of all forms of expression.
The alternatives are changes in the law and Constitution that would undermine the First Amendment in the future, or some kind of technically unlawful action.
Within the Democratic Party, there are many who recognize that fringe elements have gained more power than their numbers would justify and, more importantly, that these elements are completely inimical to traditional party principles.
This is largely the Party's own fault, of course, with the institutionalization of "inclusiveness" having been carried to bizarre extremes.
There are definitely people who believe that cleaning up this mess in the only way to save the two-party system.
Another anecdote: the other day I was talking to one of my few remaining lefty friends. The subject was the public, seemingly ritualized mutilation of bodies by the Iraqi jihadis.
He seemed absolutely appalled and suggested that an inherent flaw in their culture was behind this.
I said, "That is more than I would say. Do you realize just what you are saying, by the way?"
"Yes" he answered, "I think we have to consider some possibilities that we haven't considered before."
"That it is a fatal mistake for progressives to oppose the war."
What I've noticed in the last month or so is that this topic is no longer off limits in polite conversation. I think this represents a huge change in national thought and dialogue. JMHO.
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I don't know how we should deal with these traitors amongst us. But I agree that they will need to be dealt with.
A while back I posited that some targeted killing was going to be required to deal with the 5th columnists and traitors in our midst.
Of course a few of the "regulars" here were predictably outraged. Maybe I should have suggested selective elimination instead.
Given that the enemies of our society and its constitutional freedoms are using those same freedoms to destroy us, we are going to have to resort to extra-constitutional measures to kill...er eliminate them.
It will take the establishment and funding of an organization seperate from the government, whose charter is to indentify, fix in place and kill those elements that are toxic and traitorous.
-AR
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twat huh? OOOOOooooo that hurt. Your sick fantasies are exposed. Why do you even bother coming here? Nobody wants what your selling, whore
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Ah, Little (Ideological) Orphan Anti has weighted in with another pronouncement.
Of course they are worse from your perspective, Anti; worse for Saddamites and their supporters and business partners.
How many women have fallen victim to the state-run rape squads?
How many children are being held political prisoners?
Antiwar, your sick fantasies are the ones in which the presence of state-run rape squads are better than their absence.
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Come to think of it, conditions were much worse in Berlin in, say, 1946 than they had been under the Hitler regime just 7 years earlier. All the Red Army's fault no doubt. Those evil Bolsheviks bombarded areas where there were civilians and looted all sorts of collective and private property that was not theirs. They were especially ruthless in rooting out German resistance fighters (SS, etc.), whose country it was after all, and whose leader, just like Saddam, had won some elections.
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please,,, I beg you,,,ignore her or she will never go away.
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"I can think of no better place to live than somewhere where I am unemployed,homeless(from US air attack)all my family have been killed by a bomb(cluster bomb for example)"
Well, I'll admit that President Kerry was a bit harsh in ordering the MOAB saturation attack against Berkeley, but the Progressive People's Army there had, after all, accused him of being worse than Bush by betraying the Palestinian people and the Franco/Iraqi/Afghan resistance...
Oh, wait. Sorry, I was in clairovyant mode and had moved a year ahead of myself.
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Ignore the troll! Anti adds nothing and does not carry a reasonable argument. Idiotarian. Bye bye
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Since conformist fruitbats generally believe in such bullshit advanced spiritual concepts as precognition, Auntie will surely have no objection if I share some more News from the Future:
Washington July 7,2007 (NeuReuters) The Kerry Administration continued to win bi-partisan support for its policy of defraying war costs through the sale of television rights to the public executions of fifth columnists and jihadi agents. CBS has bid 1.2 billion dollars for the Chomsky/Zinn double hanging next week and, ironically, Turner Broadcasting reportedly had the winning bid on Ted Turner a week later.
"This policy allows us to provide some much needed relief to the American taxpayers while performing a vital public service," declared Homeland Defense Secretary George Foreman.
Republican Senator Bruce Willis added, "It's good to see our friends on the other side of the aisle finally living up to their promise to provide good, clean, educational television programming for the American people.
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The only thing I wish is that those who believe like the Portland Indymedia ALL get to look in the eyes of the Islamo-fascist...the eyes of pure hatred...the eyes of one who will send to the Hell they belong.
#32
*sigh* Slightly off-topic, but here's a blanket opinion on the "professional" Left:
The Cold War's not over. Not while they're still alive -- Soviet agents, many of them.
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Americans are waking up to realize that we have entered a new century and that the problems of the 20th Century are old problems and that the new problems require new thought.
Excluding leftists, of course. They're still stuck in the past.
Chinditz is your real name Evert Visser? Because I checked your fotopages and yours and Evert's are the same.Why do you use two names if it's true?
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"Yeah Robert Iraq is a lot better now.I can think of no better place to live than somewhere where I am unemployed,homeless(from US air attack)all my family have been killed by a bomb(cluster bomb for example)(LOTS AND LOTS OF SARCASM)"
And they said that irony was dead after 9/11!
This inane babbling is so ironic on this thread it's almost funny!
Here's Antiwar, who clearly believes every lie the Left peddles to her, including the fact that Pat Tillman was a "dumb jock."
(And why was he dumb? Because he walked away from a lucrative career and celebrity to die for his country and America is Evil!)
I know we try and set her straight every time she posts, but it's all to no avail: Antiwar persists in keeping the "idiot" in idiotarian.
Iraqis unemployed because of the American liberation? Only Saddam and his Baathists were done out of jobs (and now Bremer's putting them back to work.)
Iraqis homeless because of OIF and the use of "cluster bombs?"
Even more doubtful--if we do use "cluster bombs" (and the Left is also convinced they're full of depleted uranium,too!), we did so carefully and I've not heard of countless hordes of Iraqi homeless, but then Antiwar has "eyes" in Iraq, huh?
Any problems of homelessness and unemployment in Iraq were invariably down to Saddam Hussein and not the USA!
AW is one of those hopeless nihilist Lefties that Atomic Conspiracy was referring to when he said that the "hard core" ones might have to be "disposed of" in the near future.
If there is a bipartisan group plotting to do this, I wish they would hurry up and get on with it!
Her posts and NMM's, grounded in their fundamental "America sucks," tin foil hat conspiracy claptrap make me retch!
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That's it. I'm completely pissed now. I try to be civil, but with shit for brains like Antiwar there's no point in trying. Antiwar, go shove a shovel up your twat and shut the fuck up. You never have anything clever to say, or any sound reasoning for the crap that spews from your mouth. At least Murat and NMM give something of a hint of some kind of brain working there, you just rattle your mouth off with the same bullshit over and over. Everyone here has tried to be reasonable with you, but you are getting to be a bore. I've never seen someone as predictable as you. Trying to be nice and see things from all sides, I tagged myseld as Lil Dhimmi. Taking a page from you in going from anonymous to Antiwar, I now pronounce pronounce myself Proud Lil Kuffar. Go put on a Burqua and bow to Mecca you bitch!
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Just read the link. Pisses me off. Perhaps they should go live in North Korea or China.
Antiwar - you are an idiot. N'uff said. I suggest that we completely ignore you. Why dont you go live in Iran or Saudi-arabia.
AC - your 'clairvoyance mode' almost makes me want to vote for Kerry if he will MOAB Berkeley :^). Homeland defence secretary George Foreman??? LOL
#38
AC and Carl, the forces of economics take care of evil liars when alternative information sources exist. Talk radio, Fox News and now the net have provided plenty of alternatives to what used to be a media cartel. If they hadn't have, another alternative would have sprung up, because there is always a market for truth. How is Air America doing?
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04/24/2004 17:56 Comments ||
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SH - about Air Amerikkka - we don't know. Their paid listenership's check's haven't cleared, so all six of them are withholding their reviews
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04/24/2004 18:06 Comments ||
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Whatever became of that wave of Indymedia failures?
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You know something? It struck me that, if Antiwar is right about Bush (the Oil Friend conspiracy) and Cheney (the Halliburton conspiracy), then the theories assume that Bush has a sense of loyal frienship so intense, it deserves being written up in an epic similar to the Epic of Gilgamesh. And Cheney is an even rarer bird: a former CEO who remains fanatically loyal to the employees at his former company. I'll have to write an article about it!
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Yeah Robert Iraq is a lot better now.I can think of no better place to live than somewhere where I am unemployed,homeless(from US air attack)all my family have been killed by a bomb(cluster bomb for example)(LOTS AND LOTS OF SARCASM)
#47
Chinditz is your real name Evert Visser? Because I checked your fotopages and yours and Evert's are the same.Why do you use two names if it's true?
NEW YORK (April 24, 2004) -- Pat Tillman was praised at the NFL draft as a hero by commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who wore a black ribbon with Tillmanâs name on it and a Cardinals helmet pin with the No. 40 attached.
Tillman, who left the Arizona Cardinals in May 2002 to join the Army Rangers, died April 22 in an ambush in Afghanistan. His jersey was hung below a video screen, along with a photo of the former Cardinals safety.
"Pat Tillman personified the best values of America and of the National Football League," Tagliabue said Saturday, flanked by five Marines. "Like other men and women protecting our freedom around the globe, he made the ultimate sacrifice and gave his life for his country."
A moment of silence then was held in Tillmanâs honor, after which the crowd at Madison Square Garden chanted "U-S-A, U-S-A."
Proud Americans -- lovnâ their country
"It puts things in perspective," Iowa tackle Robert Gallery said of Tillmanâs death. "The guy gave up a career in the NFL, which shows what kind of man he is. He is a hero to all of us, especially the guys in football."
The Cardinals took Tillman in the seventh round of the 1998 draft, the 226th player chosen. He developed into a starting safety known as a hard hitter and special teams demon.
All NFL staff members wore ribbons and pins in honor of Tillman.
His death hit the NFL hard, from veteran players and coaches to the members of this yearâs draft class.
"Itâs real tragic," Virginia Tech cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "He decided to leave the NFL and go fight for his country, fight the good fight. He loved his country, and you know how big a role model he is. He said, `This is what I need to do.â Heâs a hero."
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I was at the Lakeside Rodeo Parade this AM (east San Diego County suburb - my daughter was in it - Miss Santee), and there were many vehicles that had painted #40 - Tillman on the windows, doors...brought tears to my eyes and pride at the patriotic fervor, Remember this the next time you uniformly write off California - we're not all fruits and nuts. Some of us have stones
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Frank G -- you just brought tears to my eye! Thank God for RB's when we get so down from the media press about our country.
Thanks to Chuck for the headzup...
A former Rochester resident traveled to Israel about a year ago with the intent of becoming a suicide bomber there on behalf of a militant Palestinian group, federal authorities alleged Friday. Government officials refused to say whether the man carried out his plan. But a defense lawyer involved in the case said the man is alive and well, living with his pregnant wife in the West Bank.
I guess he didn't, huh?
The lawyer, Miguel Reyes, said it was simply a case of a âlovesick, snot-nosed kidâ who returned to his homeland for marriage, not martyrdom. The suicide-bombing allegation was made in an indictment unsealed Friday afternoon that charged a Gates man with lying to the FBI about the matter. Mohamed Subeh, 41, of 53 Ann Marie Drive was charged with three counts of making false statements to federal investigators from the FBIâs Joint Terrorism Task Force. Subeh, who runs M&S Mini-Mart on Rochesterâs west side, pleaded not guilty during an arraignment Friday afternoon before U.S. Magistrate Judge Marian Payson. Subeh was released on $20,000 bond. The charges carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. According to the indictment, Subehâs false statements were made during a terrorism investigation in May 2003 into the activities of the suspected potential suicide bomber. The indictment did not identify the suspect. But Reyes, who represents Subeh, said the alleged bomb plotter was his clientâs brother, Ismail Subeh. Michael Battle, the U.S. attorney in western New York, would not confirm the relationship. The indictment said the former Rochesterian left the city before May 23, 2003, and was known to be âinterested in becoming a suicide bomber in the country of Israel on behalf of the foreign terrorist organization al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade.â
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Excerpt from Secretary Rumsfeld Remarks to the Newspaper Association of America/American Society of Newspaper Editors Q Mr. Secretary, hi. Iâm Marilyn Thompson, currently with The Washington Post, about to move to Lexington, Kentucky, to be editor of the Herald Leader. SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh. I thought you were going to move The Post to Lexington. (Laughter.)
Q (Laughs.) No, I donât think so. SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh. I got that mixed up there. (Laughter.) Is Don Graham here? Where is he? Just kidding. (Laughter.)
Q I have a question about the anthrax vaccine policy. Senator Bingaman has written to you asking you to review this policy in light of the absence of -- the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and in light of the disparate treatment of soldiers across the nation who have refused this. And Iâm wondering what youâre doing to review this policy, if anything, and if you feel that there should be a more uniform treatment of military personnel who refuse. SEC. RUMSFELD: I take it the issue is that the armed forces had a procedure whereby people who were -- at least in the last three years -- people who were moving into combat zones where there was a concern about the use of chemical or biological weapons were required to have the anthrax shots. And I believe that the policy which existed, and which I endorsed, was the right policy. If you have a unit of people that are depending on each other and they have different skills, it puts everybody at risk to the extent you go into combat with some people having had the protection and other people not having that protection. So the logic of it seemed to me to be sound. The concern that existed on the part of our armed forces about the use of chemical weapons was so great that our folks literally got into these protective suits every day in hot weather and performed their functions because they believed that that was the appropriate thing to do.
Second, we found, as I recall, several thousand sets of Iraqi protective suits south of Baghdad -- Iâve forgotten the name of the city -- which indicates that they had prepared their forces to function in a combat zone where chemical weapons would be used. We know they also used those weapons. So it would seem to me -- the anthrax policy and the protective equipment, it seemed to me to be a proper decision.
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Human Genome Sciences has developed an antibody to the anthraz toxin that was 100% effective if administered in 12 hours in animal tests using a high dose inhalation challenge; US likely to stockpile it under the Bioterrorism Act. Antibiotics are also effective, but the advantage of the antibody is that is will likely be effective against varient strains of anthrax.
Excerpt from Secretary Rumsfeld Remarks to the Newspaper Association of America/American Society of Newspaper Editors
Q Secretary Rumsfeld, Iâm Narda Zakeeno (ph) from the San Francisco Chronicle. And Iâd like to ask you a question about the draft. Iâd like to know if there are currently any Selective Service Personnel anywhere in the country who are working to possibly reinstitute the draft, if thatâs going to happen. And if your answer to that question is going to be no, Iâd like to know what the plans are for replenishing our troops, especially if more members leave our coalition.
SEC. RUMSFELD: My answer is no; that I donât know anyone in the executive branch of the government who believes that it would be appropriate or necessary to reinstitute the draft. We have a very large population. We have a relatively small military. We have been very successful in recruiting and retaining the people we need. There were a lot of difficulties with the draft, as people may recall. A few of you are old enough to remember that. If you remember, there was a draft, but a relatively small number of people of that -- males, I should say; no females were drafted -- a relatively small number of the male population in that age group was ever drafted. A large number were exempted because they were married or they were teachers or they were students or they were some other thing that the society decided to set aside and not draft.
The result of it was that we conscripted people and trained them, and then they had relatively short periods of service. And they did a great job. But the task of training that large volume of people relative to the relatively small number who actually stayed in the service for a sustained period, from a cost-benefit standpoint, was useful to do during a certain part of our history, but we believe is not useful to do at the present time.
And then the second part of your question was well, what are we going to do, how do we sustain a force we need to engage in the kinds of activities that our countryâs engaged in? I mean, you think about it, weâve got close to 2,000 people in Haiti, and theyâll be there probably another month until the U.N. force replaces them. We had some folks in Liberia, and we have people in Korea. We have people in Bosnia and Kosovo -- Bosniaâs running down this year -- to say nothing of the ones that Iâve mentioned involved in the global war on terror and elsewhere in the world. So one can make the question, what do you do? How do you sustain what you need to sustain?
Let me put it this way. General Schoomaker, the chief of staff for the Army, says think of a water keg thatâs that high. And what weâve got is weâve got 1.4 million men and women in uniform on active duty, and if you add all the reserves -- the selective and the individual ready reserves -- it comes up over 2 million people. So in this universe of the water keg are 2 million-plus; 2.3 (million), 2.4 million people. All weâre trying to do is sustain 135,000 in Iraq plus the other commitments I mentioned.
Now, if thatâs a stress on the force, that probably means youâve got to do one of three things. You either have to increase the size of the water keg or you have to move the spigot down. At the present time weâre only accessing a very small portion of the two-plus million men and women in the active force and the reserves in our current deployments. So the question is, why is that? And the answer is because the spigotâs too high. We need to lower the spigot. We donât need to get a bigger barrel.
There isnât any reason in the world why we canât manage this force better with less stress on it, and it simply requires changing the rules, changing the requirements, changing the regulations in ways that we can manage that force considerably better. And that is the process that the Armyâs engaged in. Theyâre doing an excellent job at it. The chief of staff for the Army is hopeful that heâs going to be able to, for example, go from 33 brigades up to 43 or 48 brigades without a permanent increase in the size of the force, and thatâs by better utilizing the people we have. I donât know if heâll make it, but heâs a terrific leader and heâs working hard on it and he believes thatâs doable. Well, now, thatâs a significant increase in combat capability.
We have some 300,000, Iâm told, men and women in uniform doing things that are tasks that need not be done by military personnel. Now why is that? The reason we have military personnel doing tasks that are not military -- necessarily need to be military tasks is because we have, I donât know, dozens and dozens of different personnel systems and weâre not capable of managing our civil service in a way that is efficient.
So when a person in the Pentagon has a problem and they need someone to solve something, rather than reaching for a civil service person, they reach for a uniformed person because they can bring him on, they can send him away, they can deploy him, they can train him, and they can manage it in an efficient way. Or they reach for a contractor. They can sign a contract that fits the current needs, and they can stop the contract when they want it over. So we end up with three hundred -- weâre not using our civil service the way we ought to. Theyâre terrific people. There isnât any reason, with the right rules under this new national security personnel system we just got, there isnât any reason we canât manage them better and use them properly and end up with some fraction of that 300,000 people in uniform that are doing civilian jobs, some fraction of those moved out of civilian jobs back into military jobs so that weâll have them available to reduce stress on the force.
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im hear they only going to draft needie homeless democrats sounds just like a repuglicans
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Well, one thing occurs to me... the same person doing the same job, once he takes off his military uniform and puts on a civilian one, is a) no longer under militiary discipline, and b) may be liable, as many of the current civilians are, to have to go to work without any means of self-defense. (Most civilian contractors in Iraq can't carry weapons of their own). OTOH, I think the whole "we need a draft" situation is bogus: you can read my thoughts here.
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the draft idea belongs to longtime Dem idiot, Charlie Rangel, and is strictly a vehicle to damage, not help, our ability to project military power
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The DRAFT is a phony issue. Implementation of the draft will not add one single soldier to the force. The size of our military is authorized by Congress. IF we need more troops, all Congress has to do is authorize and fund more troops. There are more than enough qualified volunteers to fill any force structure that Congress might authorize short of a WWII size mobilization.
This talk about the draft is self-indulgence by aging baby boomers trying to recall the battles of their youth. They were young morons then and they're old morons now.
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"This talk about the draft is self-indulgence by aging baby boomers trying to recall the battles of their youth."
Indeed. When you look back at force levels since the draft ended in 1972, it's clear that the size of the U.S. Army could easily be doubled without any draft: from 1973 until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, the number of Army active duty personnel was constant at just under 800,000.
"They were young morons then and they're old morons now."
Yeah. And in the process of moving from young moronhood to old moronhood, they fathered a whole new generation of morons, who now populate Indymedia and DU.
Sterilize 'em all.
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They were young morons then and they're old morons now
That sums it up perfectly, RWV.
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As investigators tried to pin down Sgt. Maj. Ahmed Mustafa Ibrahim Aliâs motive, a clearer picture of the April 17 attack emerged this week. Witnesses, U.N. officials, medical personnel and NATO officers, in interviews with The Associated Press, described a scene in which the officers were trapped between a locked gate and Aliâs assault rifle. Eleven officers were wounded before the officers shot and killed Ali, a Palestinian from Jordan. No one is certain what prompted him to open fire, but a survivor said Ali was smiling during his shooting spree, a U.N. source familiar with the investigation said. A senior NATO official said that besides the investigation into any links with Hamas, authorities were examining a trip Ali took to Saudi Arabia only a month before he joined the mission in March to see if it might be connected to the attack.
Jordanâs government said Ali, 30, was a distinguished member of his homelandâs special police unit and had been decorated for helping to ward off an attack on the Israeli Embassy in the Jordanian capital, Amman. The United Nations has refused to discuss details of the investigation. Much is at stake for the United Nations in the outcome of the investigation because the police mission in Kosovo, and others like it, rely on throwing together officers from member countries regardless of political philosophy. "The incident is so grave and appalling that it really calls into question the missionâs integrity and unity," said Alex Anderson of the International Crisis Group, a Brussels, Belgium-based think tank.
Like Ali, the corrections officers were new to Kosovo. They arrived just 10 days before the attack and were part of an effort to bring professional corrections expertise into the prisons. Since the United Nations took control of the province in 1999, the prison has been supervised by police with little specialized training. The attack began at the end of the officersâ first day at work. Sharing small talk, the officers piled into two vans and a sports utility vehicle and drove to the gate. Thatâs when Ali opened fire. Bullets pierced the vehicles. Kim Bigley, a prison warden from Paducah, Ky., died in the driverâs seat. Gary Weston, of Vienna, Ill., pushed Michelle Lindo, of Haslett, Mich., out of the line of fire, saving her life. Seconds later, gunshots shattered Westonâs skull, and he later died. The other officers pulled their pistols and sprang for cover. An Austrian officer in one of the outlying buildings, Andreas Pumpa, heard the shooting and ran toward it, only to run into Ali, who sprayed his legs with gunfire. The officers exchanged fire with their attacker, who was armed with an M-16 automatic rifle. Blocked by the gate, and with buildings on either side, the officers were trapped. "There was nothing to do but stand and fight," a U.N. official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. "And they stood and fought."
Ali mowed down a line of officers scrambling toward a wall. One of those wounded may be paralyzed. When he had shot all those he could see, Ali paced around the vans, searching for more victims. Inside the prison, people were confused. Several officers raced to the exit, but rounds began to pound into the door. With the only way out blocked, they hit the floor. Three hundred yards away, in what the officers later called the killing zone, the Americans realized no help was on the way. Finally, they got a break: Aliâs weapon jammed. As he scrambled to clear it, the corrections officers counterattacked, managing to get into the guard shack where Aliâs four subordinates cowered. They seized the Jordaniansâ weapons and attacked Ali with equal firepower: His body took 16 rounds. The officers were detained. Authorities suspect Aliâs subordinates may have played a role because more than 400 rounds were fired. The investigation is examining whether they fed him ammunition â so he could keep shooting.
Secretary-General Kofi Annan accused critics of the U.N. oil-for-food program of treating allegations of corruption as fact and ignoring the program's role of providing aid to nearly every Iraqi family. The U.N. chief declared Thursday that he was "very keen" for the three-member panel led by former U.S. Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker to report "as soon as possible." And he promised that any U.N. official found guilty of accepting bribes or kickbacks would be dealt with "very severely."
Yasss... A very stern talking-to...
Annan said he met Wednesday with Benon Sevan, who headed the oil-for-food program and has been accused of receiving kickbacks from Saddam Hussein's government, to discuss the allegations and cooperation with the investigation. Officials said Sevan is retiring on May 31 but would remain available for the investigation. "Benon has stated quite clearly that he is innocent," Annan said. "He has indicated he will cooperate as I expect all other staff members to cooperate."
The panel doesn't have subpoena authority and will rely on voluntary cooperation from governments, U.N. staff, members of Saddam's former government and current Iraqi leaders. They claim they have evidence that dozens of people, including top U.N. officials, took kickbacks from the $67 billion oil-for-food program. Volcker refused to accept the chairman's post until the Security Council adopted a resolution calling on all countries to cooperate with the investigation. The council unanimously approved the measure on Wednesday.
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I'd like to get some life insurance on Sevan - his life expectancy drops when subpoenas hit
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Odd, isn't it, that the Oil-For-UN-Bureaucrats program provided aid "to nearly every Iraqi family", and yet the hospitals lacked even the basic medical supplies.
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Ah yes....they will be dealt with "very severely". We all know what "serious consequences" Sadaam faced by the UN. I Kofi's son will face similar consequences.
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Let thew Iraqi GC investigate the oil-for-palaces/guns/etc.. program.
Perhaps... they should be tried in an Iraqi court...
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I think Kofi is exaggerating the positive influence of Oil-For-Food. If you add the percentage of Shiites to the percentage of Kurdish Iraqis, you find that over 70 percent was ineligible for program benefits. Oh, that's right the Kurds were supposed to get some money. Kofi what happened to all the money that was supposed to got to the Kurds?
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The United Nations tried to distance Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Friday from a top envoy's description of Israel as "the great poison" in the Middle East. Israel said it wasn't satisfied and is considering a formal protest.
Make it a loud one...
Lakhdar Brahimi, in an interview Wednesday with France Inter radio, said Israel's policy toward the Palestinians â and U.S. support for it â was making it more difficult for him to help the Iraqis establish an interim government. "There's a lot of hatred because the very violent and repressive security policy of the Israeli government as well as this determination to occupy more and more Palestinian territory," said Brahimi, a U.N. undersecretary-general and Annan's top envoy on Iraq. Brahimi stressed that an eventual solution to Iraq was tied to the situation between the Israelis and Palestinians. "The problems are linked," he said. "There is no doubt that the great poison in the region is this Israeli policy of domination and the suffering imposed on the Palestinians as well as the perception of all of the population in the region, and beyond, of the injustice of this policy and the equally unjust support ... of the United States for this policy." At the U.N. briefing Friday, spokesman Fred Eckhard suggested that Brahimi's comments did not reflect the U.N. position toward Israel. The U.N. spokesman was pressed several times on whether the United Nations believes Israel is spreading "poison" in the region. "It's a politically complex issue," Eckhard said. "Mr. Brahimi was expressing his personal views. ... The secretary-general's views, as expressed over the last seven years, do not contain the word `poison.'"
Same idea, though. Have they fired Brahimi yet? Didn't think so.
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Old Lakhdar Brahimi is the father of the very hot looking Rym Brahimi of CNN. Rym has just gotten engaged to King Abdullah of Jordan's brother.
You can gather from Rym's reportage that she's no fan of Israel or the US or the Coalition but I don't listen; mostly I just watch her and think about putting large, painful hickeys on her neck.
Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail hailed a U.N. decision not to condemn his government for alleged rights abuses in pursuit of rebels in western Sudan, saying it was a victory against a "vicious" campaign. But in a rare admission about the rebellion in Darfur province, Ismail said Friday that the government may be overlooking the conduct of the militias as they were helping it fight the rebels. Earlier Friday, the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva voted to express concern about the overall situation in Darfur, but it stopped short of formally condemning Sudan. The U.S. envoy to the commission, Richard Williamson, promptly said he would seek an emergency session of the body to hold Sudan to account for what has happened in Darfur, where the government and allied militia have been accused of waging a campaign of ethnic cleansing and village destruction. "We must stand up and be strong, condemning unconscionable acts," Williamson told the commission.
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The alleged spiritual leader of the al-Qaida-linked Jemaah Islamiyah terror network has accused Washington of pressuring Indonesia to keep him in prison to stop his campaign to establish Islamic law in the world's most populous Muslim nation. Abu Bakar Bashir, in a jailhouse interview with The Associated Press this week, insisted he had nothing to do with terrorism or a string of devastating bombings in Southeast Asia. Nevertheless, he denounced the United States as an enemy of Muslims, said attacks on U.S. interests were justified and lauded Osama bin Laden as a "member of Allah's army."
"America screams ... and then the police say they will arrest me," Bashir said. "America clearly started a war against Islam. We are right to defend ourselves." Indonesian prosecutors have previously tried to convict Bashir on terror and treason charges. But after a series of appeals, have only managed to keep the slender, white-bearded preacher behind bars for a few months on minor immigration violations. He is due for release next week, but it is unlikely he will go free. Indonesian police are facing intense pressure from the United States and Australia, and announced last week they had found new evidence against Bashir, meaning he'll likely stay in jail and will face a retrial.
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"America screams ... and then the police say they will arrest me," Bashir said. "America clearly started a war against Islam. We are right to defend ourselves."
If only it were. But as long as they keep on trying to kill us, it may yet turn into one. Whether this is a good or bad development is up to the individual.
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America is fighting terrorism; terrorists are our enemies.
This guy says America is the enemy of all Muslims, therefore he believes that all Muslims are terrorists.
Who are we do disagree with a repected imam?
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Bashir Says U.S. Is an Enemy of Muslims
And his point....?
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04/24/2004 18:29 Comments ||
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America didn't start the war with Islam . . . but we sure as hell are going to end it.
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Let's see, where did we put Bashir's name on the list? I know it wasn't #1. Was it somewhere before Araflat's, or afterwards? Guess we'll just have to hope the guys with that particular mission can remember.
Happy day, Bashir. Every one you wake up to is precious - it may be your last. Enjoy!
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From Jihad Unspun
The battle between the Tawheed and the Shirk is long standing, since the time of the Messenger Nooh (as), when he called his people to worship Allaah alone, and to leave the worship of idols. Then messengers came after Nooh, calling their people to the pure Tawheed and to leave the Shirk. In our present time, we see a continuation of this siraâa between the Tawheed embodied within the Muslim muwahideen and the Shirk embodied within the Kuffar and the Mushrikeen. ....
The Kuffar understand Islam better than many of the so-called Muslims. They know that the people they are fighting believe in âLaa Ilaaha Illa Allaahâ and they know that Eemaan increases with the good deeds and decreases with the bad deeds; for this reason alone they use the vice girls to torture the Muslims with. The Kuffar understand very well that the bad deeds (e.g. looking at nudity, listening to prohibited forms of Music) will decrease the Eemaan of a believer, which is why they attempt such actions. This is the nature of the struggle that the Muslims face. The struggle between the haqq and the baatil is at a creedal level; it always has been and always will be. ....
Whosoever from amongst the Muslims takes this path would necessitate the negation of his (or her) Eemaan in Islam, and him (or her) becoming a murtadd. The alternative and only choice is to side with the Muslims (even if we were to disagree on some matters between ourselves) holding fast to the Deen, and continuing to call for Islam publicly openly whilst enduring the hardships â indeed this would be the road to falah and the road to the Jannah, even if it led to death. It would be better to die for Islam than to live like a coward, to live like a British Muslim, or a Spanish Muslim, or a French Muslim or an American âMozlemâ. It would be better to hold to the belief of Islam and die feesabeelillah, than die like those people who sell their Deen to the Kuffar.
May Allaah (swt) protect us and give us all strength in these trying times. Oh Allaah, aid the Muslims in reestablishing the Islamic Khilafah State ala minhaj an-Naboowa soon, so that we may feel secure.
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Deen, Eemaan, falah --- instead of booze that hashish tends to warp the mind after a bit. Show me any of these non-existing things. You can't it takes drugs and a fasting fevor.
One hopes it's just the camel dung filler in the hashish and not something more structural...
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"It would be better to hold to the belief of Islam and die feesabeelillah, than die like those people who sell their Deen to the Kuffar."
I don't give a shit whether they die feesabeelillah or not, just so long as they die fast and in great numbers.
This war will only be over when Arabic is spoken only in Hell.
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Then messengers came after Nooh, calling their people to the pure Tawheed and to leave the Shirk. In our present time, we see a continuation of this sira?a between the Tawheed embodied within the Muslim muwahideen and the Shirk embodied within the Kuffar and the Mushrikeen. ....
The struggle between the haqq and the baatil is at a creedal level; it always has been and always will be. ....
It would be better to hold to the belief of Islam and die feesabeelillah, than die like those people who sell their Deen to the Kuffar.
Okay guys, that's it. SOMEBODY is yanking our chains on this stuff, because even after you inhaled a metric ton or so of the world's best hash, gargled with Jack Daniels, then just slammed your head into the wall a few times, you STILL couldn't make up s**t like this.
Mike
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The battle between the Orcs and the 'Tards is long standing, since the time of the Messenger Boobah, when he called his people to worship Beebah alone, and to leave the worship of American Idols. Then messengers came after noon, calling their people to the pure Tarheel and to leave the Snark. In our present time, we see a continuation of this Hawaia'a between the Oatmeel embodied within the Cruisin' Mudballpeen and the Shark embodied within the Huffer and the Scoobeedoo. ....
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And don't forget to beware the Jabberwock, my son.
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Jeebus, who started this f*cked-up death cult? Jafar-Jafar al-Binks? Was Mohammed (piss be upon him) a frickin' Gungan? George Lucas has some splainin' to do about his part in this.
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The arrests surprised many in this placid Scandinavian country, which didn't support the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and has been historically neutral since 1814.
Like America, the EU is slow to wake up to the threat. I guess Madrid made them realize that we are all "infidels" in the eyes of Islam and that just blaming Jews or Americans isn't going to protect them.
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Odd that I don't see USA in the list of countries in the sweep.
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We rounded up most of the al'Qaeda cells immediately after 9/11; we got their post-9/11 money man the following December, for example. Those that remain have gone deep undercover, and either severed communications or changed their minds about jihads.
New cells are no doubt being formed, but they're going to be more careful about communications. Also, the senior al'Qaeda we captured in Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't going to know about new cells; likely those cells are being organized by cells operating from Europe or Canada.
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"likely those cells are being organized by cells operating from Europe or Canada"
Exactly. And I'd expect all cells, not just new ones in the US, to be careful about communications. So is this roundup an echo of our original one, as other governments tracked down all those we implicated? Or are we unable yet to intercept communications from Europe/Asia to the new cells here? (Al'Qaeda et al must have tried to establish new cells here already.)
The people who know the answer won't tell us, so I guess I'll shut up now.
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Why is this Sadr still alive? Every Friday I read the same BS about this guy. I am sick of it.
Enough of this already. Blast him and then blast all the idiots that want to fight. Then say were sorry and pay somebody off. Isn't that how it works?
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When the enemies' basecamps in the form of MOSQUES are deemed appropriate military targets, the USA can drop a THOUSAND POUNDER on al-Sadr during one of his hitlerian rants for a sermon -- greasing al-Sadr and 600 of his closest terrorshit butt-buddies.
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I'd normally be all for blasting this bastard, and his illiterate followers, to smithereens. It now appears too late to do that without making him a martyr. He's got to be dealt with, but that will be tricky without provoking a Shia uprising. Looks like Al-Sistani is quite willing to bide his time, and let us do the dirty work of ridding him and Iraq of this punk, and then denounce us for doing just that.
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He is alive because Sistani is using him as a pawn. I theorize Sistani threatens the US with massive upheaval if we kill him. And he is letting him stir the pot for him, and will hang Sadr out to dry when he (Sistani) is done and gets what he wants (Islamic laws and large influence for himself with the provisional government).
All it takes is for Sadr to disclaim him and point out his errors in Islam, and his connections to the Iranians.
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Isn't about time for at least the threat of well-armed Iraqi patrols (principally Kurdish) to clean house? Might pucker some Shia a-holes
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Next time this prick comes out to make one of TV appearances we should unload a C-130 full of hot bacon grease on him and all of his followers. Matter of fact, it would be a good idea to spread the word that Marines dip their bullets in pork products to keep the jihadis from getting to paradise and their virgins.
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The pig grease is something I wish we were using. They flat freaks out at the thought of it.
Americans were doing this in the Philippine Islands 100 years ago. The "little sheet heads" freak out at this for some reason unknown to me. Forgive my ignorance
U.S. Marines killed around 30 Iraqi insurgents overnight in a firefight near the flashpoint town of Falluja, Colonel John Coleman said on Saturday. Marines spotted a small group of armed men, one with a mortar, and shot at them near a small village on the banks of the Euphrates, he said at the U.S. base of Camp Falluja, just outside the town. The insurgents were joined by about 30 others and the Marines called in air support, Coleman, the chief of staff of the Marine Expeditionary Force, told reporters. He said all the insurgents were killed in the action, but gave no other details. Local doctors say about 600 people were killed earlier this month in a Marine crackdown on Falluja following the killing and mutilation of four American contractors. Marines have been ordered to suspend offensive operations for nearly two weeks to allow talks with Falluja civic leaders aimed at restoring peace to the town, but are allowed to shoot back if fired on.
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There seems to be a SOP developing here. 1. Engage the bad guys. 2. Wait until their reinforcements come. 3. Call in air support. 4. Kill them all. Works for me.
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It has been 600 dead "little sheet heads" since the first week. You think it really is 10 times that amount? I love the Marines, I think as soon as this Fallujah thing is over people are really going to finally understand that the Marines are the most deadly ground force in the world!! Even with one arm tied behind there backs.
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I am quite satisfied that we have expatriated a statisfactory number of boneheads to whatever circle of hell they belong in. I think it is hilarious that the media can't get accurate numbers for the purposes of bemoaning the inhumanity of the evil actions of the USMC.
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SH, I respectfully disagree. The satisfactory number of expatriated boneheads is, of course, all of them. Maybe I'm just an evil bastard, but I still haven't scratched my 9/11 itch. Iran ought to do it. Maybe. Or Iran and Syria. Yeah, that'll do.
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BH, I am satisfied only with the rate of jihadi deaths. I am a patient man. I am as patient as they are. That is my strength. I am enjoying that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Mahdi Army, Fatah and all the rest are beginning to meld together publicly. The Transi crowd is correct in its belief that the Palestinian conflict is related to most terrorism in the world. They wrote the check and now the USMC is cashing it 30 bodies at a time. For the next millennia, I want Ummah to remember their lemming generation that died slowly by feeding itself into our grinder, a implement of death that mows down their youths like an unforgiving Midwestern threshing machine.
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No indication yet of what form this took, minor or not, but anything of this nature would probably be Al Qaeda...
From Reuters...
Suicide bombers launched two boat attacks on Iraq's vital Basra offshore oil terminal on Saturday, Iraqi officials said, but the British military said there were no immediate reports of casualties or damage. One boat exploded alongside a ship tied up at the terminal, said British military spokesman Major Ian Clooey. A second boat was intercepted by a U.S.-led coalition ship as it approached an exclusion zone around the terminal and there was an explosion soon after it was boarded, he said.
Sounds like we lost some sailors...
Iraq is almost completely dependent on the terminal -- which is in Britain's sector of responsibility in the country -- to export around 1.9 million barrels per day, providing badly needed state funding. Officials at Iraq's Southern Oil Company said the terminal had been shut down. At least two boats were used by suicide attackers targeting the terminal, the officials said. They said the extent of any damage to the terminal was not immediately known. "All workers were evacuated. We are concerned about the possibility of more attacks," an official stationed in the Faw Penninsula said.
FOLLOWUP:
Fox News says Brits report three boats were involved, but that there's no damage to the facility.
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Reuters : At least one boat has attacked Iraq's main oil terminal offshore in the Gulf, a British military spokesman says. Asked about an unconfirmed report that two boats exploded at the Basra terminal in suicide attacks, Major Ian Clooey told Reuters on Saturday: "We are just getting reports that there has been an incident at the Basra offshore terminal. There are no firm details yet but we know of at least one vessel involved."
A Damascus-based radical Palestinian faction is seeking to rejoin Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement after feuding with it for more than 20 years. Fatah Uprising, which broke with Arafat's Fatah in 1983, said Thursday it has contacted Arafat with a request to reunite. In a statement faxed to The Associated Press, it said Abu Khaled Omla, deputy secretary of the group's central committee, recently telephoned Arafat to discuss the subject. The statement said talks "focused on the importance of the (Fatah) movement's unity on the basis of its principles and goals, stressing the unity of the people, land and cause."
Fatah Uprising is led by Col. Saeed Moussa, better known as Abu Moussa. In 1983, his Syrian-backed rebels in the Palestine Liberation Organization fought Arafat loyalists and ended up driving Arafat and his forces from Lebanon in December 1983. In its statement, Fatah Uprising said Abu Khaled urged Arafat to "come out with a stand that responds to our (Palestinian) people's" wishes and the line of resistance. It called on Arafat's Fatah to "come back to the oneness of our word, to restore together respect to the principles and bylaws of the Fatah Movement and its historic vision." The statement also called on all other Palestinian factions to "formulate a national program" with a national leadership under which all would participate in rebuilding the PLO institutions.
One of Arafat's political advisers, Mamdouh Nofal, said Wednesday that a number of Palestinian factions, including Fatah Uprising and Ahmed Jibril'sPopular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, have sent messages to Arafat expressing a desire to rejoin the PLO. Nofal said he believed these developments came following a phone conversation between Arafat and Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk al-Sharaa, whose country hosts the militant groups. His comments implied that Syria might be pushing the militant groups to make the move because of US pressure. The United States considers the groups sheltered by Syria to be terrorist organizations, while the PLO is recognized by both Israel and the US. But Talal Naji, the assistant secretary-general of the PFLP-GC, denied any contact between the group's leader, Ahmed Jibril, and Arafat. He also denied that Syria was imposing pressures on his front to join the PLO. "This is not true," Naji said in a telephone interview.
A senior Hamas official, meanwhile, called for unity between the various Palestinian factions, saying they should do it out of a "sense of responsibility" to confront the alliance between the United States and Israel. Abu Marzouk, deputy head of the Hamas politburo in Syria, denied there were any talks with Arafat to rejoin the PLO but acknowledged something needed to be done "to face this brutal (Israeli) invasion and great attack."
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desperate to appear relevant, they suddenly realize the U.S. has written the Paleos off, and won't rein in Israel from defending itself. Train left the station, boyz, but you were too busy killing three 'Merkins with Fulbright scholarship offers in their pocket to notice
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Mr. Assad had best be careful about Damascus based organizations attacking Israel. It wasn't a navigation error that caused Israeli fighter bombers to buzz his palace earlier this year. One or two terrorist acts by these guys and the IDF may start blowing away terrorist leaders in Damascus and ask Assad if he cares to do anything about it.
Security forces on Saturday arrested a Hamas fugitive near Taluza north of Nablus on the West Bank. The fugitive arrested was the same man who escaped security forces on Friday. The fugitive surrendered to 'Haruv' troops. He was wounded and armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle. The arrest took place near the spot a Palestinian lecturer from Jenin was shot and killed on Friday. According to his family, Dr. Yasser Abu Laman, a professor in the American University in Jenin had no connections with the Hamas and was killed at his home's doorstep.
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Dr. Yasser's pure as the driven snow no doubt...
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Border Police head Cmdr. David Zur, said Saturday that "Israel has people in the leadership of the Hamas." Zur was responding to a question posed to him regarding Israel's success in finding and killing top terrorist leaders, Ynet reported. Zur was speaking at a cultural event in Beer Sheba. "We are excelling in everything connected to human intelligence. We're investing in agents. Israel has excelled beyond belief in this field," Zur said.
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heh heh - even if it's not true, it'll be effective: starting Hamas internal purge in 3...2...1..
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"Hey Hamas dood...lookit the guys on either side of you. They're prolly a c'llaborator..."
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BMN: That's "Antiwar" every day. She won't live near these islamonazi pieces of shit, but she's happy to defend them on a message board.
She's either Arab or Muslim. No one else refers to Israel as "the Zionist entity". Normal anti-Semites have no problem with calling Israel by its commonly-accepted (and ancient) name.
A Border Policeman was moderately wounded Saturday afternoon during an operation to arrest a senior Islamic Jihad member in Jenin on the West Bank. Three Islamic Jihad members were killed in the operation, Israel Radio reported. Two of the fugitives were past members of the armed wing of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement. The fugitives opened fire on the group of undercover Israeli Border Policemen, reported to be from the elite 'Mistaaravim' unit during the arrest procedure. The incident occurred near Jenin's municipal building. Soldiers returned fire, killing Kamal Tubasi, and his two deputies Said Hardan and Mohammed Azuka. One undercover officer was moderately wounded in the operation and evacuated to Ha'emek Hospital in Afula. Kamal Tubasi is thought to be responsible for a suicide bombing in Afula, and numerous shooting attacks. An Al-Jazeera journalist on the scene was also reported injured in the exchange of gunfire.
Quite by coincidence, of course...
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Palestinian militants stormed a Palestinian police station in Gaza City and released three men with possible links to a deadly bombing of a U.S. diplomatic convoy. A fourth man refused to leave with the three, saying he was waiting to be formally released by Palestinian authorities in accordance with a March decision by a Palestinian court. "We succeeded in freeing three of our brothers," Abu Abir, a spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees militant group, told The Associated Press. "An effort is being made with the Palestinian Authority to release the one who remains behind bars." Although news of the incident only emerged on Friday, Abu Abir said it took place on Tuesday. "This is another sign of the lack of seriousness that the Palestinians have shown in this investigation since the beginning," said an American official.
But it's nothing unexpected, is it?
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those three had nothing to do with it in the first place, just window dressing - If they really want to find the guilty parties, start by looking in the Muqata
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Why look? Demolish the whole thing, and be done with it.
Pakistan has agreed to an amnesty for five renegade tribesmen accused of sheltering al-Qaida fugitives in return for their promise not to work against Pakistan's interests, a lawmaker said Friday.
Looks like a total cave-in to me...
Addressing a gathering of tribesmen in Wana, a town near the Afghan border, Maulana Abdul Malik, a member of Parliament's lower house, said the pardon for the five men would be announced by government and military officials on Saturday. The men were to formally surrender on Saturday at a jirga, or tribal council, in the village of Shakai, 15 miles north of Wana, he said. "They will announce that they will not work against Pakistan, and in return, they will be given amnesty by the government," said Malik, a lawmaker for a hardline religious coalition that has opposed the military's deployment in the region. He would not give any other details.
Didn't have to. Eventually we'll end up having to go in and clean the bastards out...
On Thursday, Brig. Mahmood Shah, chief of security for Pakistan tribal regions, said the men agreed to surrender after meeting with Malik and another lawmaker this week. He said the tribesmen would have to guarantee that they will not allow foreign terrorists to use their territory to enter Afghanistan, where al-Qaida and Taliban rebels often launch attacks against the U.S.-backed government and U.S. forces. He could not immediately be reached for comment Friday. The five powerful tribesmen, whose surrender has been sought by the government for months, are Naik Mohammed, Noor Islam, Maulvi Abbas Khan, Maulvi Abdul Aziz and Sharif Khan.
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the tribesmen would have to guarantee that they will not allow foreign terrorists to use their territory to enter Afghanistan
This looks like big progress to me.
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Mike-
I'm afarid I've gotta disagree with you on this one - I can just see these conversations:
WANA GUYS: "Who goes there?"
STRANGERS: "Osama bin laden and pals."
WANA GUYS: "Hokay."
WANA GUYS: "Who goes there?"
STRANGERS: "The US Army, we're hunting Bin Laden."
WANA GUYS: "AAAAA!! Foreign terrorists! Kill 'em all!!"
Mike
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WANA GUYS: Uzbek and Chechen brothers, if you intend to attack Afghanistan, then you must leave from here and go live somewhere else. That is our new rule.
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Mike -
Just realized..."Wana Guys" would be a hell of a band name.
Mike
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A Shiite Muslim cleric threatened on Friday to launch suicide attacks if U.S. troops attack him and his forces in the holy city of Najaf. Moqtada al-Sadr, was speaking during the Friday prayers sermon in Kufa, another Shiite Muslim holy city few miles from Najaf. The area is mostly controlled by his Al-Mahdi Army militia, whose members have clashed with U.S. troops several times since their uprising began on April 4. "Some of the Mujahideen brothers have told me they want to carry out martyrdom attacks but I am postponing this," al-Sadr said in front of thousands of worshippers. "When we are forced to do so and when our city and holy sites are attacked, we will all be timebombs in the face of the enemy." He condemned suicide bombings Wednesday in the southern city of Basra that killed 73 people because they targeted Iraqi police and civilians. U.S. forces are deployed outside Najaf, but their mission to capture or kill al-Sadr has effectively been put on hold while negotiators try to resolve the standoff. U.S. commanders say they have no intention for the time being of entering Najaf, the holiest Shiite city.
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The US Forces just outside understand these difficult end-of-life decisions, and they are standing by to assist those seeking a quick if not painless end.
A speedboat full of gunmen fired on a boat carrying oil workers in Nigeria's violence-wracked delta region, killing two Americans, the army said Saturday. Nigerian army spokesman Maj. Said Ahmed said the workers were killed Friday evening in the Niger Delta, where the bulk of the country's oil is pumped. Ahmed did not identify the men or their employer, saying "details are still sketchy." However, U.S. oil giant ChevronTexaco confirmed that two American contractors were missing along with four Nigerians — two navy soldiers and two boatmen — in what the firm said was an "unprovoked attack" at 5 p.m. Friday on the Benin River, south of the oil city of Warri. The company had "no conclusive proof" yet the two missing Americans are dead, company spokesman Deji Haastrup said. A third American, a ChevronTexaco employee, was in stable condition in a hospital with gunshot wounds, Haastrup said.
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04/24/2004 9:14:19 AM ||
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Thanks for posting this one, Fred.
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Insurgents struck a U.S. military base north of Baghdad with rockets at dawn Saturday, killing five American soldiers, while a rocket crashed into a crowded market in the Iraqi capital, killing at least three people. Besides the deaths in the market, up to 12 Iraqis were killed Saturday in several attacks, including an apparent suicide car bombing in Tikrit, fighting in Baghdad's Sadr City, and clashes between Polish troops and Shiite militiamen in Karbala.
The fighting in Sadr City, an eastern mostly Shiite district in the capital, came when U.S. forces launched raids against suspected militiamen, sparking a battle that the military said killed one or two Iraqis. During the fighting, three Iraqi girls were badly burned when a shell exploded in their bedroom where they slept. Hours later, a rocket slammed into the neighborhood's crowded Chicken Market, killing at least three people and wounding dozens, residents said. Human flesh could be seen among scattered market goods and burned-out cars in the chaotic street. It was unclear who fired the rocket or what its intended target was.
The five U.S. solders were killed around dawn, when two 57-mm rockets slammed into the base in Taji, Air Force Lt. Col. Sam Hudspath said. Taji is a former Iraqi air force base 12 miles north of Baghdad that is now used by the Army's Texas-based 1st Cavalry Division. Six soldiers were wounded in the attack.
Elsewhere, a Marine died from combat injuries suffered on April 14 while fighting guerrillas in Iraq's western Anbar province, the military announced. The Marines have been besieging the Anbar city of Fallujah since the beginning of the month, but the military has refused to specify whether Marine casualties from Anbar are from that campaign.
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04/24/2004 9:10:58 AM ||
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Grr...if Iraqi's can't manage to get control of their own country as expected, I say we carve them up into at least three seperate ones and let them go to war against each other, instead of us.
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The Sadr/Iranian forces are attempting to bait us into ambushes and/or an unpopular crackdown. At this point I am all for blockading traffic in and out of Sadr city is it's feasible.
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Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat on Saturday brushed off new Israeli threats, telling several thousand supporters that Israel will never get rid of him. Arafat spoke a day after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said he was no longer bound by an earlier promise to Washington not to harm the Palestinian leader. Speaking in poetic Arabic to the cheering crowd, Arafat referred to himself as a "mountain." "I tell Sharon and his gang, 'Oh mountain, the wind will never move you,'" he declared.
Behind the scenes, however, Arafat confidants said he was concerned about the latest threat. In new violence, Israeli troops killed three militants in the West Bank town of Jenin, residents and witnesses said. The army said the men were preparing a suicide bombing inside Israel and were killed after they fired at soldiers who tried to arrest them. The men were members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a militant group linked to Arafat's Fatah faction.
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04/24/2004 9:09:09 AM ||
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Speaking in poetic Arabic
roses red vilets purple
your ass dead
pass the mapel syrupel
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Speaking in poetic Arabic to the cheering crowd, Arafat referred to himself as a "mountain." "I tell Sharon and his gang, 'Oh mountain, the wind will never move you,'" he declared.
Let me see if I have this straight - Arafat is going to the mountain because he has wind?
Damn, these Ay-rabs are inscrutable.
Mike
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04/24/2004 11:41 Comments ||
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translation error:
Arafat said "I have piles, and my wind cannot move them"
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04/24/2004 11:43 Comments ||
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"Death to America" read the sign a young Iraqi waved overhead on TV last week. Had he, I wondered, any inkling what Americans and others were doing for his country before they were kidnapped or murdered?
â Did he know, for instance, that the four U.S. contractors who were killed and mutilated in Fallujah March 30 neither built rape camps nor forcibly converted Muslims to Christianity? In fact, they protected food convoys so Iraqis might eat.
â Was this, or any, Iraqi aware that the April 11 slaying of Danish businessman Henrik Frandsen ended his efforts to launch a sewage project?
â This monthâs abduction (and subsequent release) of Russian electrical workers kept them from repairing Iraqi power plants. Russiaâs resulting evacuation of 800 civilian contractors wonât help, either.
â U.S. truck driver Thomas Hamill has delivered zero fuel since he was nabbed April 9 on Highway 10 outside Baghdad.
Sorry if I rain on anyoneâs parade, but the terrorists have efficient numbers, arms and allies to disrupt re-development in Iraq, in perpetuity. Idealists like Victor Davis Hanson delude themselves into thinking that we should, as Colin Powell said, "Stay the Course." That is folly. The time is now for re-patriating the entire Middle East oil-fields to the Anglo-American interests who discovered and developed same. To hell with contrarian opinions. Americans cannot allow the 90% of Mideast oil fields, which are located in Shiite demographic majority areas, to come under Iranâs effective control.
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04/24/2004 5:36:18 AM ||
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You're a great ranter, MBD, but your idea is a non-starter.
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MBD - you are one confused individual.
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04/24/2004 12:08 Comments ||
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Depends on how or whether you want to win the war.
From AP. EFL.
President Bush has cautioned Prime Minister Ariel Sharon against harming Yasser Arafat, a White House official said Friday after the Israeli leader said he was no longer bound by a promise to spare Arafat from attack. The prime ministerâs comments Friday were the strongest sign yet that Israel could target the Palestinian leader. The White House hours later said that Bush in last weekâs meeting had "reiterated his opposition to such an action" against the Palestinian leader. "We have made it entirely clear to the Israeli government," said National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack. "The president was pretty clear."
In an interview Friday night with ABCâs Ted Koppel, Secretary of State Colin Powell said Bush considers Sharonâs earlier pledge binding. "The president made it clear that he would oppose any such attempts against Mr. Arafat, and the president firmly believes that he has a commitment from Prime Minister Sharon that no such attempt will be made," Powell said. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said that "nothing has changed in the U.S. position." State smokescreen or crossed wires? You decide.
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President Bush took steps Friday to restore normal trade and investment ties with Libya, moving to allow resumption of oil imports and most commercial and financial activities as a reward to Muammar Gadhafi for eliminating his most destructive weapons. Libya's actions "have made our country and the world safer," the White House said. But significant sanctions remain on the books as an inducement to Libya to resolve issues that are still pending. "Through its actions, Libya has set a standard that we hope other nations will emulate in rejecting weapons of mass destruction and in working constructively with international organizations to halt the proliferation of the world's most dangerous systems," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.
In addition to the economic steps the White House announced, fledgling diplomatic ties will be upgraded to permit the opening of liaison offices in Washington ands Tripoli. This would be a prelude to the eventual establishment of normal diplomatic relations. The easing of sanctions imposed in 1986 and those called for under a 1996 Libya sanctions law will allow a resumption of oil imports from Libya and permit most commercial activities, financial transactions and investments. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said that while he welcomed Libya's decision to disarm, he was surprised that Bush "would so quickly strengthen relations with a dictator who opposes democracy, persecutes his own people, and continues to cause instability in Africa."
Ah, Teddy, you're so behind.
Friday's action allows four American oil companies to resume commercial activities in Libya after an 18-year absence. They are Occidental Petroleum Corp. (OXY), Amerada Hess Corp., Marathon Oil Co. and Conoco Inc. The latter three operated jointly in Libya as the Oasis Group. In Tripoli, a Libyan official called Bush's action, a "great step" that enhances the Gadhafi government's political stature. He said the easing of sanctions will benefit U.S. oil companies as well as the Libyan and American peoples. According to oil experts, Libyan production nowadays is only about half of what it was in the peak year of 1970 when it reached 3.3 million barrels a day. They say the return of the American oil company technology to Libya should help reverse the decline in the country's production capacity.
Won't help immediately but it's going to make it even tougher on the Saudis.
Bush declined to permit a resumption of direct air service to Libya or to release hundreds of millions of dollars in Libyan assets frozen in the United States. Libya also remains on the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism. The State Department says Libya has curbed ties with some - but not all - terrorist groups. Officials says legal claims by Americans based on past terrorist acts are still pending.
Carrot-n-stick approach working just fine.
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[Kennedy] was surprised that Bush "would so quickly strengthen relations with a dictator who opposes democracy, persecutes his own people, and continues to cause instability in Africa."
This the same Senator that wants to lift sanctions on a dictator who opposes democracy, persecutes his own people, and continues to cause instability in Central and South America?
Germany and the Netherlands are to send a joint military team to north-eastern Afghanistan to improve security and reconstruction, the German defence ministry announced yesterday. The new Provincial Reconstruction Team will be based in Faizabad, an important opium poppy farming region, although the troops will not be involved in drug eradication, Berlin said. Germany already runs a PRT in the northern Kunduz region, and the unspecified number of German troops needed in Faizabad will be drawn from the total of 450 mandated by parliament for PRTs last year. Nato is committed to taking command of five new PRTs by June, including the new German-Dutch initiative. The PRT teams will help run elections due in September.
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A top U.N. envoy called Friday for international security to ensure Israel's complete withdrawal from Gaza and immediate implementation of a U.S.-backed peace plan. In one of his most forceful briefings, Terje Roed-Larsen told the U.N. Security Council that "it is unrealistic" to expect Israel and the Palestinians on their own to return to the path of peace.
Gosh, the Israelis tried so hard for so many years. What happened?
Roed-Larsen said he still believes that Israel's withdrawal from Gaza "if carried out in the way I tell them to do right way, can usher in a new era of peacemaking in the Middle East," despite the Palestinians' negative reaction. Earlier this week, Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia sent a letter to Bush asking him to reconsider his support for the plan and his tacit recognition of some Israeli settlements. Powell called Qureia on Friday, saying the administration would study his letter and answer soon, aides to the prime minister said.
"Marvin! What do we say to this Qureia fella?"
"Not sure it matters, Mr. Secretary, as long as you sign the letter as 'Leon Klinghoffer.'"
"I also continue to maintain that if such a withdrawl is implemented the the Israelis want to do it wrong way it will lead to more violence," Roed-Larsen said in his U.N. comments. Roed Larsen said only the international community led by the four sponsors of the "road map" peace plan and the Security Council "can enable the parties to make the right choice."
Now that's the kind of UN arrogance I'm used to seeing.
Roed-Larsen said "temporary and internationally supervised security arrangements," instituted with the consent of both parties, would ensure Israel's security, enabling it to withdraw completely.
Until the Paleos start to shoot and explode the security people, who then would do a Uruguyan-style duck and cover.
An "international presence" would also enable the Palestinians "to live normally, free to attack the Israelis without fear of retaliation from Israeli controls," he said. Roed-Larsen said this would be one of the main subjects for discussion at a meeting of the Quartet on May 4 hosted by Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Wonder who they'll ask to pony up the troops for any "international presence"?
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Send in the Spaniards since its a UN op - call Zappies bluff.
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Roed-Larsen would cede to one of the Palis' long-standing demands: an international peacekeeping force. Essentially a hudna with UN paid-for bodyguards.
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more UN idiocy. They've enabled Paleo terror with their refugee cities camps, their economic support of Arafat, and their opposition to Israel at every turn. F 'em. The Israeli withdrawal from Gaza will happen despite anything the UN would do, and getting blue helmets in would - as noted above - allow Paleo mortars and rockets to be shot into Israel from behind UN skirts - with howls of protest and wails of baby ducks and kittens slaughtered if Israel retaliates. Keep the UN out and make the Paleos run a country - should be entertaining
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...they can only be tracked with radio-telescopes
LOL. Good one!
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Whose idea was it that we make our representative to the UN a G-7, whose only job is to attend these sessions to vote "no".
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Right. These arrangements worked real well with Lebanon, such that Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad continued operating and killing Israelis. A UN peacekeeping force wouldn't change anything - it would serve as a check on Israeli actions (from a PR standpoint), while continuing to give the Palestinians a free hand in attacking Israelis. I object to this mainly because it's a waste of money. Say a 2,000 personnel presence costs $30,000 each per year. That's $600m for a force that does nothing. Forget it. The variety and cost of the expensive cockamamie schemes that the crooks at the UN come up with are just amazing.
It seems that Larsen does not like to recall how the UNIFILth troops in Lebanon gave cover to Hizbollah "operatives" at Kfar Kana. They would run out from the camp some 200 yards or so to fire a Katyusha rocket at Israel and then flee back to take cover. Unfortunately civilians sheltering in the camp were hit when artillery shells fell in the camp. Then the Dutch sent a general who accused Peres, then prime minister, of willfully aiming at the camp.
After Israel withdrew from Lebanon UNIFILth troops once again abetted Hizbollah by turning a blind eye to the invasion and kidnapping of three Israeli soldiers. It appears that some of the white SUVs were used in the attack. Koffi Annan denied for a year the existence of a video made of the attack.
And now UNSCUM is starting to make the news with its corrupt behaviour in helping Saddam beat the UN resolutions and also fill their pockets.
With all this how can an American support the use of his tax dollars in UN schemes?
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