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Arabia
S Arabia ’real reason for war’
FORGET Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction (WMD). The real reason the United States invaded Iraq was Saudi Arabia, according to a US intelligence analyst.
You're not supposed to tell, dammit!
Dr George Friedman, chairman of the United States private sector intelligence company Stratfor, said the US had settled on WMD as a simple justification for the war and one which it expected the public would readily accept. Dr Friedman, in Australia on a business trip, said the US administration never wanted to explain the complex reasons for invading Iraq, keeping them from both the public and their closest supporters.
Revealing the grand plan to the public ahead time has its problems.
"That, primarily, was the fact that Saudi Arabia was facilitating the transfer of funds to al-Qaeda, was refusing to cooperate with the US and believed in its heart of hearts that the US would never take any action against them," he said. Dr Friedman said the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the US prompted the strategy to hunt down al-Qaeda wherever it was to be found. But that proved exceedingly difficult. "The US was desperate. There were no good policy choices," he said. "Then the US turned to the question - we can’t find al-Qaeda so how can we stop the enablers of al-Qaeda."
We got to that question pretty quickly, too.
He said those enablers, the financiers and recruiters, existed in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. But the Saudi government variously took the view that this wasn’t true or that they lacked the ability and strength to act, he said. Dr Friedman said in March last year, the Saudis responded to US pressure by asking the US to remove all its forces and bases from their territory. To their immense surprise, the US did just that, relocating to Qatar.
Hearts seized up all over the Magic Kingdom, they did.
He said Saudi Arabia and al-Qaeda shared a number of beliefs including that the US could not fight and win a war in the region and was casualty averse. There was a need to change that perception. But close by was Iraq, the most strategically located nation in the Middle East, bordering Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Turkey and Iran.
So much for the theory that Wolfowitz just threw a dart at the map.
"If we held Iraq we felt first there would be dramatic changes of behaviour from the Saudis," he said. "We could also manipulate the Iranians into a change of policy and finally also lean on the Syrians. It wasn’t a great policy. It happened to be the only policy available."
For a policy that wasn't so great it seems to be working pretty well.
Dr Friedman said US President George W Bush faced the difficulty of explaining this policy, particularly to the Saudis. Moves to link Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda failed completely. "They then fell on WMD for two reasons," he said. "Nobody could object to WMD and it was the one thing that every intelligence agency knew was true. We knew we were going to find them. And we would never have to reveal the real reasons. The massive intelligence failure was that everybody including Saddam thought he had WMD. He behaved as if he had WMD. He was conned by his own people."
Wonder if the Dims will ever figure this out? They've bought the ultimate con.
Posted by: tipper || 04/03/2004 11:39:38 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not sure that I agree with the "deliberate deception" angle, but the geopolitical reasons for hitting Iraq are the very ones I have been touting since we went in.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 12:18 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the guy's got it almost figured out, though he misses the biggest reason for the pre-war emphasis on Saddam's WMD: our desire to get the U.N. signed up.

There's a pattern I've noticed since Bush began turning the public's attention toward Iraq back in mid-2002.

On the one hand, people who start out with an inherent distrust or dislike for Bush have an extremely difficult time figuring out what the hell we're doing over in Iraq; they can't grasp even the most obvious of the ways in which ending Saddam's regime helps move the WoT forward, even to the point where they whine that it's a "distraction."

And on the other hand, people who start out with the assumption that Bush is a competent executive who knows what he wants to achieve, and is taking steps calculated to achieve it, seem to have very little difficulty discerning the overall strategy.

During the run-up to the war last year, I set out to see how many ways I could think of that "doing" Saddam would help the war against Islamic totalitarianism. I set out to see if I could list five ways, but at the end of an hour I'd jotted down more than a dozen. I still update the list every now and then, and I'm now working on Reason #36.

Not hard at all, really.

As for Bush's not telling the American public exactly why we needed to go to Iraq, it seems to me very simple: anything he were to say to us, would also be heard throughout the Muslim world.

Just as in boxing, it's bad form to telegraph your punches.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Iraq is like North Africa in Operation Torch in WW2. It is a place to start. We are not ready to go into Saudi, so Iraq is the site to begin the ME terrorist breakup. The enemy knows it and is putting a lot of resources into Iraq to make us fail.

Dr. George Friedman is right on about Saudi Arabia. THEY are the REAL enemy we are fighting. The petrodollars we give them are transformed into explosives that they give back. That is the long and the short of it.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/03/2004 12:43 Comments || Top||

#4  I also figured this out, back in May or June, and sent a congratulatory email to President Bush on his unbelievably cunning plan. Of course, I never got an answer...

Most people just can't seem to figure out that Iraq is the key to the entire Middle East. It sits at the top of the Persian Gulf, touches all the major players, has enough oil to act as a spoiler to OPEC's shenanigans, and has a tremendous military infrastructure that can be used as the basis for attacks from Libya to Pakistan. Combined with Afghanistan, it puts virtually every Middle Eastern country in a vise:
Iran between Iraq and Afghanistan
Pakistan between Afghanistan and India
Syria between Iraq, Turkey, Israel, and the Med
Jordan between Iraq and Israel
Saudi Arabia between Iraq, the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, and LOTS of empty sand

We've already seen changes in behavior in Libya, Qatar, several of the United Arab Emirates' sheikdoms, Saudi Arabia (although limited, and one step back for every two forward), Syria, Iran, Pakistan, Bahrain, Yemen, and Oman. Some of the changes are minute, but the people on the top are beginning to understand that change HAS to come - that we demand it, and we won't be satisfied with cosmetics.

Can you imagine the impact a democratic Iraq would have, with an indigenous army of a half-million men, with five or six fully-manned US Air Force bases and a couple of Army and one Marine division on hand? Could you imagine what would happen if the next diplomatic coup would be the establishment of a full naval basing structure in one of the nearby African countries, such as Tanzania (Dar es Salaam), or if we helped the Somaliland tribes firmly establish control of their area, and base half a fleet or more at Djibouti?

The "game" is up. The only thing left to do is grind down the last of the players until they're removed. This doesn't mean the war is "over" - we're about at the place now where we were at Guadalcanal and Torch during World War II. We've stopped the advance. Now the long, miserable slog to rid the world of every bastion of the enemy begins. But the expansion is over, and the rats know it.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 04/03/2004 16:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Yup. And I'll bet it wasn't very hard to figure it out, either, was it?
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||


Britain
Bombers must die, say Brits
THE British public want NO mercy for al-Qaeda suicide bombers or their terrorist leaders. And they demand bombers be shot on sight...and their scheming bosses be taken out too. An exclusive News of the World ICM poll—the most extensive since the atrocity in Madrid a fortnight ago— shows Britons are standing firm in the face of terror. Two-thirds (66 per cent) support the government’s policy to take an active part in the war against al-Qaeda. Just a quarter are against the fight. And an overwhelming 73 per cent want to see a shoot-to-kill policy against suicide bombers.
... though that does mean a quarter seem to be champing at the bit for a Darwin Award...
That commitment extends to a wider crackdown, with a strong belief that the shadowy terrorist leaders who plan the campaigns from afar should be taken out. After the Israeli government’s decision to assassinate Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, a substantial proportion— 47 per cent—support such attacks. The hard-line approach is strongest among 18 to 24-year-olds. Almost two-thirds want to see the leaders assassinated.
Heh. And here was I thinking wishy-washy liberal edumakashun was ruining our young’uns.
And more than four out of five polled want to see extremists such as Abu Hamza, the cleric who preaches hate on the streets of north London, expelled. The current high level of alert in Britain has also galvanised support for compulsory ID cards. More than two-thirds (67 per cent) believe they would help protect Britain against attack.
Even though precisely how effectively still isn’t clear.
However, there is anger at the government’s decision to free the four Britons held in Guantanamo Bay—55 per cent think the British government were wrong. But the public also recognise that diplomacy is a vital part of the war on terror. A clear majority, 53 per cent, think PM Tony Blair was right to meet Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi. Britons are also defiant in the face of warnings that a major terrorist attack here is now inevitable. A narrow majority, 51 per cent, are more concerned for their safety after the 9/11 and Madrid attacks. But there are fears over London—38 per cent say they’d be deterred from using the Tube.
That's a matter of self-preservation, isn't it?

Comment: We’re right to demand tough stand
By Andrew Garfield, European Director of Terrorism Research Centre & Director of the International Centre for Security Analysis
IT IS no surprise the British public believe the government must take a firm line against terrorism. In the wake of the Madrid bombings, today’s poll shows opinions here differ widely from those in Spain. The British have rarely shown any sympathy for those killed while engaged in terrorist activity and there has always been broad support, over three decades, for robust anti-terrorist legislation. This new survey suggests that public support for the government’s active role in the war against terrorism remains firm. A significant majority also believe enhanced security measures are needed in order to secure freedom from the scourge of terrorism. This will come as a relief to Home Secretary David Blunkett as he prepares new legislation to counter the threat posed by groups like al-Qaeda. It is certainly understandable, in the wake of the Madrid bombings, that a majority of the public would consider it acceptable to assassinate terrorist leaders. While the government has criticised Israel for killing the Hamas leader, few will have shed a tear for the death of a man who ordered numerous terrorist atrocities that killed countless innocent Israelis.

Given that the support and co-operation of the public is vital in this war, and that a key aim of the terrorists is to divide and conquer, this survey should serve as a warning to the government. It must make every effort to convince doubters that its strategy is necessary, proportionate and effective. The majority of those polled (60 per cent) are not being intimidated into changing their daily routine. The spirit of the Blitz is clearly alive and well in modern Britain.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 3:15:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wait till we have our first bombing attrocity in the UK - it *will* happen.

Expect to see that 73% increase - and if you discount the Musllum population, I would expect that number to be high 90's.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 04/03/2004 15:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Two-thirds (66 per cent) support the government’s policy to take an active part in the war against al-Qaeda. Just a quarter are against the fight. And an overwhelming 73 per cent want to see a shoot-to-kill policy against suicide bombers.

Interesting result. And if you discount the MPopulation.... then.... hmmmm. I assume (and have no clue) but this means that 7 percent are against the war on terror but a for a shoot to kill policy.... Geeez. Actually I figure it means 7 percent of the population wants to escalate the WOT.

Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Of course you have to strike a line between resolution and defiance, and this kind of shit.
Posted by: Leftwat || 04/03/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#4  DAMMIT! That was me.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#5  I neeed to stop experimenting with pseudonymous posting...
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#6  Heh. And here was I thinking wishy-washy liberal edumakashun was ruining our young’uns.

Who are you calling a young'un, Gramps?
Posted by: Charles || 04/03/2004 17:03 Comments || Top||

#7  This is a breath of fresh air. I long have known the Brits wouldn't take an attack stiing down. My concerns were based on the large anti-war marches. Obviously most Britons don't agree with the liberal left loonies.
Posted by: Bill Nelson || 04/03/2004 17:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Bulldog and/or Tony, about which entity that the British public prefers be the vehicle for the offensive portion of the WOT? Out of the choices of the UK alone, the UN, the EU, NATO or the Coalition of the Willing, my guess would be that you would prefer that the focus be through NATO. The Iraq War seems to be crumbling NATO. Do the British still put a lot of stock in NATO when the group seems to have devolved into two heavy lifters and several other special-teamers?
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:37 Comments || Top||

#9  Two statistics from the source site are pretty mystifying.

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"A narrow majority, 51 per cent, are more concerned for their safety after the 9/11 and Madrid attacks.

... Britons are also defiant in the face of warnings that a major terrorist attack here is now inevitable."

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Those are alarming manifestations of outright deluded thinking.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#10  Zaen - why? Individuals may feel that an attack is ineveitable (forever is a long time to be vigilant), but that they don't want to give in to their fears (the best attitude)and that the chance of personally being injured is small (likely)
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:24 Comments || Top||

#11  Good post, Bulldog.
When the British public support a "shoot to kill" policy (That's called "suicide by cop" here in America) for terrorists, I suppose it's a way to go around the fact that their criminal justice system did away with the death penalty.
Posted by: Jen || 04/03/2004 18:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Zaen - why? Individuals may feel that an attack is ineveitable (forever is a long time to be vigilant), but that they don't want to give in to their fears (the best attitude)and that the chance of personally being injured is small (likely)

It is delusional that nearly half of Britain's people do not recognize terrorism's imminent threat while remaining defiant about being attacked. However small the chance of individual injury might be, an attack on one is an attack on all. It is freedom that is being assaulted, not just a person's corporeal body.

Being concerned solely for one's own personal safety is the terrorists' precise aim. It permits the victims to justify acceptance of their demands. Simple defiance is wholly insufficient to defeat terrorism. It is mandatory to have an intransigent and lethal response to all who assail individual liberty so monstrously. Anything less is suicidal surrender to a remorseless killer.

Terrorists are not trying to kill just a people, race, culture or competing religion. They seek no less than to extinguish the memes of freedom and equality. We are witnessing a naked attempt to kill off the principal of self determination and even that of liberty itself. Which portion of these inalienable human rights do you propose to let them extort from us?

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||

#13  Way to go Britain !

Kill the terrorists on the "battlefield" is the cleanest solution, and it looks like a significant number of people do not have their head up their behind and realize that.
Posted by: Carl in NH || 04/03/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||


Captain Hook, binny-goons, torch Union Jack in London
UK .. You will pay, Bin Laden’s on way
The Telegraph’s version of this story is already posted, but I thought The Sun’s take might be interesting for the contrast in style.
By SIMON HUGHES
BAYING Muslim fanatics torched a Union Jack in London yesterday — and sneered that Tony Blair is powerless to stop al-Qaeda bombing Britain.
There is no absolute defense, especially as long as these fifth columnists are running loose, but the thousands of dead jihadi rats moldering in Afghanistan and Iraq might have inhibited their plans.
In a sickening reference to the terror group’s evil boss Osama Bin Laden, the bigots chanted: “UK, you will pay, Bin Laden on his way.”
Sent an exchange mutant to Berkeley, did they?
The shameful scenes — widely condemned by moderate Muslims — came as 20 thugs hijacked normally-peaceful afternoon prayers at the world-famous Regent’s Park mosque.
Home of the loathesome terror agent and welfare-cheat Abu "Captain Hook" Hamza, who was on hand for the flag-burning, btw.
More than 1,000 law-abiding worshippers looked on in horror as the militants from UK-based extremist group al-Muhajiroun staged the ambush.
The SAS should be called in to demonstrate their own ambush techniques.
A large hand-drawn British flag was set on fire and a letter urging Muslims to reject terrorism was torn to shreds.
What? They couldn’t afford 5 quid for a real one? The loss of Saddam’s subsidy checks must really be taking a bite.
It's the Rachel Corrie effect.
In a ranting address, zealot Abdul Rehman Saleem praised the savage murders of four US civilians in Iraq.
Check out the pictures of this Klingon and his fellow arch-druid, Captain Hook Hamza.
Then as followers bayed, “Jihad for Blair” he gloated: “There is nothing the British Services or Tony Blair, this liar, can do to stop al-Qaeda.”
Ask the cannon-fodder families whose bright-eyed young jihadis never came home from Afghanistan.
Meanwhile at Finsbury Park, North London, hook-handed renegade Abu Hamza branded British Muslims who bravely reject terror “Tony Blair’s prostitutes”.
As opposed to Osama’s "Hookers"
The extremists were slammed by brave mosque regular Iqbal Ahmed, who said: “They twist the Koran for their own ends.” Iqbal Sacranie, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, also denounced the fanatics. A letter sent by the Council to 1,000 mosques throughout the UK declared: “Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents.”
Several hundred bus-bomb victims and thousands of WTC workers would testify otherwise, if they were available.
Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, head of the Muslim Parliament of Britain, condemned the fanatics as “misguided lunatics”.
As opposed to properly guided lunatics, I suppose.
Burning the Union Jack is not an offence but police can seize such protesters for incitement to racial hatred. No arrests were made yesterday.
White feather time?
The Tories last night slammed the flag-burners. Shadow home secretary David Davis said: “I suggest if they are this unhappy they should leave.” Britain's top cop yesterday revealed his force is keeping a “close eye” on preachers of hate. Met chief Sir John Stevens also called for compulsory ID cards as soon as possible.
Hook needs a Gitmo ID card; free-of-charge, paid transport, as well as compulsory.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/03/2004 3:25:29 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I can only assume that they are allowed to operate unfettered because they act as flypaper to uncautious jihadis and they also serve to generate a resevoir of anger in the UK general population, which will be useful to tap into should any draconian measures be required when/if an attack actually occurs.
Posted by: Lux || 04/03/2004 5:44 Comments || Top||

#2  "There is nothing the British Services or Tony Blair, this liar, can do to stop al-Qaeda.”

He is close to the truth here. Although he should have said "There is not enough the British Services or Tony Blair, this liar, can do to stop al-Qaeda.” The recent raids to capture the 8 or 9 Pakistanis demonstrated you need a lot of law enforcement people to catch a few terrorists. The ratio is between 100 to 1 and 500 to 1. Field enough terrorists and you win, unless the government drastically changes its tactics.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/03/2004 6:01 Comments || Top||

#3  A letter sent by the Council to 1,000 mosques throughout the UK declared: “Islam categorically forbids violence and killing of innocents.”

Yeah that does a whole lot of good. Neither assertion is true of course. Why not just say Islam forbids killing, period? That word "innocents" is open to a wide interpretation by the izoids.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/03/2004 8:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I applaud the Brits for their tolerance. If they did that in say New York or New Orleans the headline would read 'Stupid Mulims Killed by Mob!'
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 04/03/2004 10:00 Comments || Top||

#5  This thread brings up Muslim org Google Ads - Don't forget to click yer buns off for Fred! Let's turn that $6 number he mentiond the other day into $6000, heh.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#6  and sneered that Tony Blair is powerless to stop al-Qaeda bombing Britain.

And what these bozos seem to have forgotten is the Islamic World is absolutely powerless if we or the Brits simply decided to quit putting up with the irritation of the IW and simply decided to make it go away
Posted by: Cheddarhead || 04/03/2004 11:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Whoa, a bomb plot in the UK, what an original idea.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#8  If they did that in say New York or New Orleans the headline would read 'Stupid Mulims Killed by Mob!'

Wish that were true in NY. But in the city, at least, they'd get lots of helpers. Sigh.
Posted by: rkb || 04/03/2004 14:32 Comments || Top||

#9  If it were Las Vegas of course..... They would be killed by the MOB.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:07 Comments || Top||

#10  Ship - LOL! True - but it would be the Corp Mob, today. Steve Wynn is "legit" you know. Hey, I'm starting to learn my way around Sin City, heh...

Even Wayne Newton would be onboard...
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 16:19 Comments || Top||

#11  Where are the Brit skinheads when you need them? How come they were not kicking the shit outta these pukes? What are my monthly donations going to anyhow?!
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/03/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#12  Can somebody please found a government that will except deportations of clowns that nobody wants. I'm sure it could be a lucrative business.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#13  Google Ads got American Home Workers Alliance going on the sidebar.... LOL. I suppose showing up in your burka the first day on the job is likely to divert the ole career path.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 20:42 Comments || Top||


al-Muhajiroun holds bin Laden rallies in London
Islamic fundamentalists burned a Union flag and chanted the name of Osama bin Laden yesterday in defiance of the vast majority of mosques, which backed calls for Muslims to co-operate in the fight against terrorism. A small number of extremists gathered outside two London mosques to protest but they were largely ignored by thousands of moderate Muslims leaving Friday prayers. Imams across the country echoed the concerns expressed in a letter sent to more than 1,000 mosques last week by the Muslim Council of Britain, which warned against "mischievous elements" provoking "illegal activity." But leaders also criticised the West's handling of the Middle East, the detention of Muslim suspects without trial and the "insensitivity" of the police.
The old "I don't condone them, but..." argument.
One prominent imam argued that the council's letter could add credibility to the misleading impression that Muslims were harbouring terrorists when, in reality, 99 per cent of them were peace-loving citizens. Mohammad Shahid Raza, the imam of the Leicester Central Mosque, said: "Some of the members of the community are interpreting this letter as something through which the larger community may criminalise the Muslim community. They may interpret it as 'Muslims are holding terrorists in their mosques', while 99 per cent of Muslims are peace-loving citizens in this country and have always co-operated with the authorities and the police forces."
... just not very demonstatively.
Abdul Qayum, the imam of the East London Mosque in Tower Hamlets, said in his sermon that true adherents of Islam "could not conceive" of killing people unlawfully. But he warned the international community against confusing this with the "freedom movements by the oppressed people of Palestine, Kashmir and Chechnya against the occupation forces".
Golly. I'm so confused. I thought all three were terrorist operations.
In an apparent reference to the anti-terrorism raids in the South-East this week, he added: "We are very worried about the reports of police insensitivity when arresting Muslims and the media coverage that follows."
Dontcha hate it when you're arrested by the insensitive? When they don't even give you time to put your turban on?
At the London Central Mosque at Regent's Park, Abdesselam Daoud, a spokesman, said although the council's letter was not read out in full, its concerns were reflected in the day's sermon. But as several thousand worshippers left the mosque, about 20 supporters of Al-Muhajiroun, a fringe fundamentalist group, burned a Union flag and chanted: "UK, you will pay, bin Laden on his way." Anjem Choudary, a spokesman for the group, said: "There is nothing me and you, or the British services or the Government, can do about stopping an attack in this country. There is nothing MI5 or MI6 can do to stop al-Qa'eda from bombing London."
That's true. But they can make you wish you hadn't.
The overwhelming majority of the worshippers ignored the radicals, though a few shouted abuse. Abu Hamza, the radical cleric, held his usual Friday prayer meeting outside the Finsbury Park Mosque, north London, watched by uniformed police officers. He told nearly 150 Muslims that the only person who cared about the council's letter was Tony Blair. He claimed that the alleged bomb-making material found by the police this week was "created material" and the arrests were a "conspiracy against these brothers."
"Dey wuz framed! Framed, I tell yez!"
Iqbal Sacranie, the secretary general of the council, praised mainstream Muslim leaders for playing "a very important role in society." He dismissed comments by Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, the spiritual leader of Al-Muhajiroun, who said Muslims should not co-operate with the authorities against members of the same faith.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:49:03 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A small number of extremists gathered outside two London mosques to protest ...

Let 'em gather all they want. Then photograph every single demonstrator and follow them back home. Great way to track down more bombers.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 2:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Arrest and expel the non-nationals, arrest and hand the nationals for the crime of treason.
Posted by: JFM || 04/03/2004 2:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Totally sgree, JFM, but you might have to 'hook' some of the nationals, and 'hand' the rest.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 6:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Bulldog

It was a typo, it should have read "hang the nationals".
Posted by: JFM || 04/03/2004 14:20 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Aust ’terror risk at election’
AUSTRALIA faced a growing risk of a terror attack in the leadup to the federal election because al-Qaeda perceived the recent Madrid bombings influenced Spain’s election outcome, a leading United States intelligence analyst said. Dr George Friedman, chairman of private sector intelligence company Stratfor, said Australia was at risk of a terrorist attack because of its involvement in Afghanistan; Iraq had not increased that risk, he said. Dr Friedman said Australia was a target because it was perceived to be an ally of the US and because there was a large enough local Muslim population to allow terrorists to move freely. He said Australia was also a soft target with no tradition of high security. "Al-Qaeda is very rational and very thoughtful. It has succeeded immensely in Spain," he said. "Its read of the Christian world remains intact which is that Christians can no longer take casualties. They are weak and corrupt. That has been confirmed in Spain from their point of view."
Australia's got lots of land, an entire continent's worth. Lots of room there for pious men with turbans and automatic weapons to build lots of mosques.
Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for the March 11 terrorist attack in Madrid in which 10 bombs exploded on four peak hour commuter trains killing 191 people. "They (al-Qaeda) are looking to isolate the US from its allies. You have an election coming. They have now noted what they can do to an election. I think, lacking any specific intelligence, Australia would be foolish not to take it seriously." Dr Friedman, visiting Australia for business, also warned that Australian troops could end up fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan by year’s end as the US pursues its endgame against al-Qaeda. He said that military commitment would be a down payment on the free trade agreement with the US.
I sure hope there is more to it, than that. The majority of Australians value the US alliance, as was demonstrated again this week, when polls show the majority rejected the opposition’s call for withdrawing troops from Iraq
"If the US goes into Pakistan it will want as many allies with it as it can have," he said. "Australia has been taken to the mountaintop and shown what a free trade agreement could look like. It has also not been given it yet. Come November, if Bush wins or even if Kerry wins all of this is going to come to a head and Australia can come away with a very sweet deal. But it won’t get it if it won’t participate. A crisp clear decision has to be made on a particular policy - what will the position of the Australian government be on Afghan security and on committing special forces, the SAS particularly, to operations in Pakistan. You have a decision coming very soon."
This is sounding like stand-over tactics. Not a good tactic with Aussies.
This is the first I've heard of this. It sounds like opinion to me, though I'd certainly be in favor of free trade with Oz — not as payment for services rendered, but because the two countries are close enough that we don't have to do things on that basis.
Dr Friedman said Australian Special Air Service (SAS) troops proved indispensable to the US in operations in Afghanistan in 2001. He said there was no question the US wanted them back because it had insufficient of its own special forces trained for long range reconnaissance. "What the Australian SAS brings to bear is trained, skilled and experienced personnel now," he said. "You’ve got them, we need them, we’ll pay for them."
No we won't. We'll ask our friends. They'll help if they can.
Posted by: tipper || 04/03/2004 12:36:56 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Could we have the link please, Tipper. Thanks.
Posted by: Pete Stanley || 04/03/2004 2:28 Comments || Top||

#2  I added it.
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#3  The US and Australia just concluded a free trade agreement last month -- is this what you haven't heard of? It still has to be approved by House & Senate, but consensus is that it will be. US bludgeoned Ausies into accepting an agreement that leaves out access to the absurdly protected US sugar market and delays much other ag access -- so that it was actually free traders on the US side who expressed disappointment, while in Oz it was farmers and organized labor who charge that too much was given away without enough in return (they're kind of right, actually). As far as I know, it's still unclear if the agreement will work as a plus for the gov't electorally, but it's really not something we're using as leverage at this point. (It is generally recognized that the free trade agreement was offered originally to reward Canberra's tremendous support to US global security efforts.)
Posted by: Anonymous3996 || 04/03/2004 20:41 Comments || Top||


Europe
Explosives found in Eta hunt; arrests made
A cache of explosives allegedly belonging to the outlawed Basque separatist group Eta and ready for immediate use was found near the French border with Spain, Spain’s interior minister has announced. French police made the discovery after the capture of two important Eta members in south-western France. A third, less senior, Eta member also was arrested the police raid, part of a French-Spanish collaboration, Interior Minister Angel Acebes told reporters in Madrid. He said police discovered two backpacks with explosives and two booby-trap bombs in an apartment in the southern French city of Bagneres de Bigorre. "Inside of the backpacks there were two explosive devices ... possibly ready to be handed over (to other people), as well as two booby-trap bombs also prepared for immediate use" Acebes said. The Eta captives include elusive former Eta leader Felix Alberto Lopez de la Calle, alias Mobutu, and the separatist group’s logistics chief, Felix Ignacio Esparza. The third captive is a woman identified as Maria Mercedes Chivite Berango. "It’s one of the heaviest blows to Eta in recent years because of the importance of the members detained," Acebes said.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 4:13:13 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Toe tag in Spain Suspect Hunt
Police hunting for suspects in the Madrid terrorist bombings cordoned off an area in the southern outskirts of the capital Saturday, a government spokesman said. There was a report that one person was killed.
Presumably one of the Bad Guys...
Police in the town of Leganes were looking for "several" suspects in an anti-terrorist operation connected to the March 11 attack, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,800, Interior Ministry spokesman Richard Ibanez said. He could not say how many suspects there were, or their importance or connection to the attacks. The national news agency Efe reported that police carried out a controlled explosion in a nearby plaza. The agency said one person was killed and several were injured, but it had few other details.
"You'll never take us alive, coppers!"
"Manuel! Blow the house."
This could not immediately be confirmed, although ambulances were seen rushing to the area. Some residents of the area were evacuated and others were told to stay indoors as police carried out their search, said local resident Oscar Merino, 33. He said searchlights from three low-flying helicopters scanned the neighborhood. Spain already has charged 15 people in the March 11 bombings on four commuter trains, Spain's worst terror attack. The government has said its investigation is focused on the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, which has ties to the al-Qaida network.
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 3:05:51 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Steve TROLL || 04/03/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#2  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Steve TROLL || 04/03/2004 16:00 Comments || Top||

#3  Aw dang. I was hoping he was gone.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Oops that was me, no troll. Let's try again:
MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- As police engaged in a standoff with three suspected North African terrorists Saturday night in a Madrid suburb, an explosion shook the neighborhood. A policeman was killed and six to nine other people were wounded, said a reporter from CNN partner station CNN+, who was on the scene.
The explosion occurred about 9 p.m. (2 p.m. ET). It was originally reported by state radio to be a "controlled explosion," in which police first move everyone back before exploding a bomb they are unable to defuse, CNN+ reporter Oscar Diaz de Liano said. Diaz reported that at 9:45 p.m., at least four ambulances arrived at the scene, in addition to others that were already there.
Antena 3 television reported that the suspects had threatened to blow up the four-story building in the southern Madrid suburb of Leganes, about 10 miles south of the capital.
The police were searching for suspects who may be linked to the Madrid commuter train bombings, the Spanish news media reported. The Web site of a leading Spanish daily newspaper, El Mundo, reported that a number of police officers may have been among the wounded and that a field hospital had been erected on the site. The manhunt began late Saturday in the Leganes suburb of Madrid. Earlier reports from the scene said there was a shootout and the suspects subsequently holed up in the building, which contains about 40 apartments. Two helicopters hovered over it and a large contingent of police surrounded it, Diaz said. Diaz and other witnesses said many people had been evacuated from nearby buildings.


Posted by: Steve || 04/03/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#5  what was I saying about multiple personalities?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 17:51 Comments || Top||

#6  It gave me something to test REMOVE on...
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#7  Gotta love that headline twice. The whole story in five words and the news is great!

Posted by: Zenster || 04/04/2004 22:13 Comments || Top||

#8  What's with posting on all these old stories?

This one, for instance, has been updated today (4/4) - there were 5 bad guys and a Spanish Cop Killed. It's not good news to lose a Cop. So your comment is not only stupid, it's specious and proves you're clueless or disingenuous.

So WTF's the deal?

You gonna go back in time and create some pointless legacy that maybe ONE or TWO people will ever read?

What the fuck is wrong with you? We had another troll who liked to do this - once upon a time. He stepped on his dick once too often. Now we don't see his dumbass 'round here much.

Are you the New and Improved (Spell Checker) DROLL TROLL FUCKTARD? Or are you gonna become a Rantburger?

On one thing there is no doubt, RB is easily the most interesting, fun, and informative place on the mother-loving Internet. Period and Full Stop. And you'd be welcome if you didn't play the fool.

When someone addresses you directly, you should respond - in a reasonable timeframe. Yesterday you ignored me for hours - posting all over the place. For that, you're an asshole.

You've been addressed directly again today, by two others. Again you pretend to be above responding. You're not. Tomorrow 10 people will be onto you. By then end of next week you'll be the acknowledged troll.

You want to be included, you gotta get your shit straight. You earn your spurs here - pretentious and obnoxious behavior doesn't cut it.

Put up or fuck off.
Posted by: .com || 04/04/2004 22:27 Comments || Top||

#9  Well said .com! He is a troll as I commented in another thread an hour ago. I think he thinks he is sooo smart fooling us all. Posting to dead threads indicates someone who is particularly clueless. But he can spell ;-)
Posted by: phil_b || 04/04/2004 22:37 Comments || Top||

#10  I believe I'll follow him around and post a subset of this after each of his little post-dated jewels of wisdom. He's not doing badly, today, except for pretending he's above responding to you and Jen. Personally, I now believe he IS an asshat - I wasn't sure until he stiffed you guys and ran away. I see no intellectually honest way to reconcile his posts with the "shrub" bit. So, until he gives you guys a satisfactory answer, I figure he's worthy of adversarial attention. Grins & Regards, Bro! Feel free to join in!
Posted by: .com || 04/04/2004 22:44 Comments || Top||


Controlled explosion in Madrid
Spanish radio has reported a "controlled explosion" during a police operation in Madrid, according to Reuters news agency...

No more details as yet
Posted by: Lux || 04/03/2004 2:31:11 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  From the BBC [Link will probably be updated as more info becomes available.]
"The blast came during an operation to arrest people suspected of involvement in last month's Madrid train bombings.

Police said national and local forces were trying to apprehend three young suspected militants of Moroccan origin.

They have reportedly had taken refuge in a building in the Leganes area, south-west of Madrid, where the explosion was heard."
Posted by: Old Grouch || 04/03/2004 15:02 Comments || Top||

#2  It's now being reported that one person is dead in the 'controlled' explosion. Let's hope it was one of the suspects.
Posted by: Lux || 04/03/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Ten bucks says it was a suicide bomber.
Posted by: Charles || 04/03/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Unfortunately, it was a police officer that was killed (and there are several injured as well). There are also reports of shooting, so it's unclear exactly how the death/injuries occured.
Posted by: Lux || 04/03/2004 15:27 Comments || Top||

#5  "Controlled" - right, Rooters.

Choose:
a) totally wrong
b) careless cop caught in blast
c) they left out "Remote"

Rooters - one of those very few actual "news" providers and about the most biased of the lot. Pfeh.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:52 Comments || Top||

#6  BBC now says: (same link)
"At least one... killed and seven injured...

The blast is thought to have been set off by the suspects - who police say may also have died."
BBC page has an AP picture showing a good-sized cloud of black smoke rising behind what appears to be a four-storey building.
Posted by: Old Grouch || 04/03/2004 16:59 Comments || Top||

#7  Fox sez 3 boomers dead in a suicide blast during the assault, which also killed a cop
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#8  More here
Posted by: tipper || 04/03/2004 21:43 Comments || Top||


Italian coppers bag 106 Osamanauts
Italian police detained more than 100 people suspected of having links to Muslim militants in coordinated raids across the country Friday, an interior ministry spokesman said. Working with the secret service, police detained 106 people, most of them Moroccan immigrants. Fifteen of those held were to be deported because their papers were not in order, the spokesman said. "This was a preventative operation, scrupulously conducted and based on accurate information," Italian news agency Ansa quoted Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu as saying. The report said in total 161 suspects were targeted, but did not say if any charges had been brought against the detainees. Police suspect Italy is home to at least 80 Muslim militants organized in cells dotted across the country, according to a secret report, details of which were published recently in La Repubblica newspaper.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:28:59 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#2  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#3  I posted that. If I was going to be Anonymous, I would be AnonymousNumberOne, not Anonymous3995.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/03/2004 8:59 Comments || Top||

#4 
Fifteen of those held were to be deported because their papers were not in order

This is proper and easy. There' no fuss about whether there's enough evidence to convict them for criminal activities. Simply deport them for visa violations. Presto! They're gone!

The USA did the same right after 9/11. All of Europe should get a clue.
Posted by: Anonymous3995 || 04/03/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||


Islamic militants expected in Spanish rail bomb
A bomb defused on a high-speed Spanish rail track was so like those used to blow up four Madrid trains that the same militant Islamist group is believed to be responsible in both cases, Spanish newspapers say. A bomb containing 12 kg (26 lb) of explosives was spotted by railway workers on the track near the city of Toledo on Friday and made safe. Investigators believe attackers planned to derail a high-speed train on the line connecting Madrid and the southern city of Seville. Hundreds of people could have been killed if a train travelling at 250 kph (160 mph) had left the tracks, Madrid newspapers said.
Maybe all of them...
Spanish newspapers pointed the finger at Islamist militants over Friday's incident and said, if this theory was confirmed, it posed a grave security problem for Spain. El Pais said the fact the same kind of explosives and a similar detonator was found in Friday's bomb and the March 11 Madrid bombs "suggests that in both cases it is the same terrorist organisation, supposedly the Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group." El Mundo newspaper quoted Interior Ministry sources as saying that Islamic terrorists may be behind the latest bomb. Several newspapers reported that the Spanish embassy in Egypt had recently received a letter signed by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades and al Qaeda threatening to attack embassies, consulates and Spanish interests in north Africa and the southern and eastern Mediterranean region. The letter said the attacks could be avoided if Spain withdrew its soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan in the next four weeks, El Mundo reported.
Trustworthy, aren't they? But I notice we're also dealing with two separate groups. My suspicion is that the Moroccan group is the one with the explosives, and the Abu Hafs brigades is the one with the threats and fulminations...
El Pais said that if the same group that carried out the Madrid bombings was responsible for planting the bomb on Friday, it posed a "very serious security problem".
Yeah. You can never be completely safe from psychos, can you?
"It indicates...we are not talking about a passing terrorism ...but a stable presence prepared for any barbarity," it said in an editorial. High-speed trains on the Madrid-Seville line were halted on Friday while police painstakingly inspected the entire track, disrupting travel at the start of one of the busiest times of the year. Interior Minister Angel Acebes said the type of dynamite in Friday's bomb was apparently similar to that used in the Madrid attacks, but he ventured no theories about who was to blame. The government ordered the army to help guard key rail lines and installations after the incident. Acebes said security forces believed the bomb was planted on Friday morning. The dynamite on the track was connected by a 136 metre (yard) cable to a detonator. However, the electrical mechanism needed to activate an explosion was missing, leading investigators to believe the bombers were interrupted and aborted their mission.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:27:04 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Or were just sending a message. Letter containing demands should be arriving about now. Let me guess. Stop support Israel. Release boomers. Close US bases. Soooo! predictable.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/03/2004 1:35 Comments || Top||

#2  The interruption is possible, Given the letters to the embassy, Phil B's theory is more likely that it's a pressure move. Interesting that the thugs are letting Zappie know that he's not getting a free pass.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/03/2004 1:54 Comments || Top||

#3  The thugs will keep pushing. They got one success in Spain, so they go for two. If they get that they'll push for another. Push, push, push. Poland and Australia have elections coming up so they'll be in the cross-hairs as well.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 2:27 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
The Bloody Coattail of Ostensible Compliance with Terrorism
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that countries who roll over on a major terrorist issue within days of potential or actual attacks in fact worsen it for everyone else, including themselves?

Thailand is openly considering withdrawal from Iraq within days of a huge mining explosives theft by Thai-Malay terrorists. The Thai government should have dilated the time gap between these two events a bit more, even if only for the remaining world’s collective good. So it is with Spain, they should have had the integrity to disconnect any Iraq withdrawal announcement from the Madrid atrocity by a few weeks.

(I cannot adequately emphasize how obligatory this was in view of Spain’s previous role with the anti-terror coalition.)

In light of all the subsequent bombing attempts, it couldn’t have come out much worse had they waited a while longer. Continued attacks in Spain were a foregone conclusion for anyone with two synapses to rub together.

These sort of ill thought out or sometimes wholly unexamined potentials often establish mutually reinforcing probabilities with enough power to leverage popular perception. They can dramatically shift less educated public opinion in ways that dovetail precisely with terrorism’s most basic aims. All such destructive resonance must be intentionally decoupled via discreet and determined interference with the flow of useful proprietary intellegence.

Even absent any conspiracy to do so, it remains counterproductive to link events in ways that serve the ends of International terrorism. Failure to comply with even this basic denial of advantage should be duly noted by those actively fighting the war on terror. Wittingly or not, it remains that Spain and Thailand have contributed to terrorism’s prestige by ostensibly altering national policy in direct response to attack or subversive activity. National attention in the form of intense back-channel diplomatic pressure should be directed towards making our concerns about this known overseas.

In terms of a solution; I’ll open the bidding and suggest a flat 10% cut from foreign aid for any country whose government refuses to exercise minimal discretion in limiting the "Bloody Coattail" effect. I realize how difficult this is to quantify, interpret or even enforce but it is a distinct factor that needs to be addressed. It would be nice if this debate had enough bandwidth to include the effects of media publicity but that’s not the case. The point still remains that all governments can time official announcements in ways which minimize any positive contribution to terrorism’s image.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 11:52:16 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


CAIR Files Lawsuit Against Anti-CAIR Founder
On March, 31, 2004, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) filed suit in the City of Virginia Beach, VA against Andrew Whitehead, one of the founders of Anti-Council on American Islamic Relations (ACAIR). In the lawsuit, CAIR is suing for libel and has asked for One Million Dollars in compensatory damages and Three Hundred and Fifty Thousand Dollars in punitive damages. In addition, unspecified costs, attorney fees and interest are asked for. CAIR has requested a trial by jury. ACAIR founder Andrew Whitehead issued the following statement: “We believe that the truth is an absolute defense against a charge of defamation and we fully intend to vigorously defend ourselves against these charges. We look forward to having our day in court.” Anti-CAIR intends to continue our mission of exposing CAIR’s connection to militant Islam.
Don't forget to counter-sue for harrassment and defamation yourself, Andrew.
Posted by: TS || 04/03/2004 2:23:17 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  CAIR has opened a can of worms here and will undoubtedly drop this once they realize they might have to be deposed under oath. Should be fun
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Why would it matter to them? Lying to infidels for the advancement of Islam is an acceptable part of their religion.
Posted by: Adriane || 04/03/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Right on, Frank... being under oath is a dangerous game for CAIR reps. I hope Hooper (Hmmm, did the term asshat come into existence after someone got a good look at this 'tard?) gets burned - he really pisses me off -- a traitorous version of our buddy Saeb Erakat. I went throughout the ACAIR website and I don't see where CAIR has a legal leg to stand on - the proof has been accumulating too long. I hope ACAIR is well funded - you know CAIR has a bottomless bucket 'o Saudi petrodollars at its command.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#4  Adriane - Overlapped with you... You're right: truth doesn't mean shit to Islam, but going to jail prolly does. Particularly for people who live the good life that CAIR's leadership does.

The biggest benny would be exposing these cretins for terror-enabling assholes so the US Gov't agencies stop relying upon them. Insane, but true. *head shake*
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought punitive damages are supposed to be the higher amount, not the other way around.
They must be using Saddam's French lawyer......
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 04/03/2004 15:32 Comments || Top||

#6  Couter-sue Andrew....you have the documentation on your side from a number of sources. Hope you gets lots of money but, the humiliation factor is the top prize.
Posted by: jawa || 04/03/2004 17:20 Comments || Top||

#7  Counter-sue Andrew....you have the documentation on your side from a number of sources. Hope you gets lots of money but, the humiliation factor is the top prize.
Posted by: jawa || 04/03/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#8  Isn't the discovery phase what scares most of these nefarious operators from going through with libel suits?
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:58 Comments || Top||

#9  CAIR will have to prove thatdamage to their reputation or some kind of harm to them will have been done. Also they will have to show actual malice on the part of the defendent, which means that the defendent knowingly broadcast or published innacuracies about the plaintiff. Armed with the truth, the defendendents should stomp their asses. Picking a jury should be interesting. I'm sure that CAIR would like to stack the jury with Muslims. Heh heh. This may be a golden opportunity to expose CAIR for who they are.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 04/03/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Yeah, but the jury's only 12 people, and women are 1/2 of men - won't work.

Gee, I wonder what Americans would think if the jury is made up of 12 muslim men?
Posted by: Anonymous2U || 04/03/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#11  We have our documentation, proof that CAIR has ties with Hamas and other terror organizations, as well as "good friends."

CAIR will rue the day when they find out what we know and what damning evidence we have against them.
Posted by: Anonymous4019 || 04/05/2004 9:48 Comments || Top||


US warns of transport bomb attack
The US Department of Homeland Security has warned that bombs hidden in luggage could be used to attack buses and railways in big US cities this summer. The warning came in a bulletin issued to police, local governments and the transport industry. The department said it was made in the light of the recent attacks in Madrid. There is said to be a specific threat, though it comes from an uncorroborated source described by one official as "only somewhat credible". According to the bulletin issued to local authorities, the plot - if it exists - calls for the use of improvised explosive devices. The devices could possibly be constructed of fertiliser and diesel fuel and concealed in luggage and carry-on bags, including duffle bags and backpacks. The bulletin also warns transport managers to safeguard uniforms, badges, ID cards and other forms of official identification. It says terrorists may exploit such items to gain easier access to areas not normally accessible to the general public.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 04/03/2004 12:42:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Link to article here.

Mark (and Tipper) - you need to copy and paste the source article's URL into the Source box when posting.
Posted by: Bulldog || 04/03/2004 9:26 Comments || Top||


Pentagon Frees 15 Held at Guantanamo
The Pentagon said Friday it released 15 people held as terrorism suspects at a U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, reducing the number confined there to 595.
Making room for a few Fallujahians?
The people who were transferred to their home countries were from Afghanistan, Turkey, Tajikistan, Sudan, Iraq, Jordan and Yemen. The Pentagon did not provide other details about the people or their release. "The decision to transfer or release a detainee is based on many factors, including whether the detainee has been wrung dry is of further intelligence value to the United States and whether he is stoopid enough to pick up a rifle again believed to pose a threat to the United States," a brief Pentagon statement said. Most of the people held at Guantanamo Bay were captured in 2001 during the early months of the war in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Southeast Asia
Philippines Nab Suspect Linked to al-Qaida
A moneychanger suspected of ties to an al-Qaida-linked Southeast Asian terror group was arrested Saturday in the southern Philippines, officials said. Cotabato Vice Mayor Japal Guiani Jr. said the moneychanger, Jordan Abdulah, was identified as the owner of a house allegedly used as a hideout by suspected members of the al-Qaida-linked Jemaah Islamiyah terror group. Police and soldiers raided the house last October. No one was arrested, but authorities found chemical explosive residues and manuals on bioterrorism, assembling rocket-propelled grenades and jungle survival.

An officer from the local branch of the National Bureau of Investigation said members of the newly formed anti-terror task force arrested Abdulah. The officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said one of Abdulah's biggest clients as a money changer was Taufic Rifqui, an alleged Indonesian Jemaah Islamiyah member arrested in Cotabato last year. Defense Secretary Eduardo Ermita, head of the anti-terror task force, said he had not been informed about the arrest.
"Nobody tells me anything!"
Employees of the El Corazon coffee shop where Abdulah was nabbed called it an abduction, said Cotabato police Senior Inspector Abdulwahid Pedtucasan. They said he was handcuffed and dragged to a waiting car by four men in civilian clothes.
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 3:14:29 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jordan Abdulah? A nice spanish catholic name.....must have the wrong guy
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||


JI masked goals through welfare projects
In the JI structure, Malaysia and Singapore are known as the “network economic zone” where funds were raised to finance the organisation’s operations in this region. The network divided its operation into three groupings called Mantiqi.
  • Mantiqi I handled operations in Malaysia and Singapore and provided funds for the network.

  • Mantiqi II, which supervised the jihad activities, covered part of Indonesia while

  • Mantiqi III dealt with training.
The JI, which has ties with other terrorist groups in the region, aimed to set up a pan-Islamic state – comprising Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, the Philippines, Thailand and Cambodia – called Daulah Islamiah Raya, through armed uprisings against the governments of these countries.
Of these, Singapore is secular, Thailand and Cambodia are Buddhist. It's the old "convert or die" thing.
Malaysian police said the JI, which operated under the guise of an NGO, carried out welfare projects to conceal its operations. Police who tracked Hambali’s movements, traced his financial backing and found that until December 2001, RM800,000 had been collected from various fund raising activities to buy arms and send JI members for training in Afghanistan. Fresh information obtained by Malaysian police showed that Hambali obtained RM95,000 from al-Qaeda operations leader, Sheikh Mohamed Mokhtar, to run the terrorist network in the region.
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Bashir to be questioned again
Indonesian police will question jailed Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir next week in an attempt to link him to the Bali bombings, Bashir’s lawyer said on Friday. "I was informed that he would be questioned on Wednesday. I heard they want to link him with the Bali bombings," the lawyer, Wirawan Adnan, told AFP. Bashir, 65, is scheduled to be freed from Jakarta’s Salemba prison on April 29 after serving a sentence for immigration offences. An appeal court earlier cleared him of a terrorism charge. Foreign governments accuse the fiery cleric of having led the al-Qaeda -linked Jemaah Islamiyah (JI).
Intentional blindness and probably vice presidential protection keeps the right people in Indonesia from noticing...
"We are developing information from witnesses both at home and abroad such as Malaysia and Singapore, in addition to information from Hambali," Bachtiar was quoted by the state Antara news agency as saying. Indonesia recently received information from the United States on the questioning of chief terror suspect Hambali. The US is holding Hambali at an undisclosed location following his arrest in Thailand last August. Adnan said Bashir had accused the United States of faking evidence against him.
"Lies! All lies!"
"This is a tyrannical move. This amounts to terror against Indonesian law enforcement and independence. Why are they afraid of me? I’m just an old man who doesn’t have an army," he quoted Bashir as saying. The police anti-terror chief, Pranowo, was quoted by Detikcom news portal as saying that Bashir had long been suspected of a role in the Bali bombings. "All this time we have tried to complete evidence and now we are gathering new evidence," Pranowo said. He could not be reached for comment. Adnan said Bashir would refuse to answer any police questions until he has been released. A spokesman for Bashir’s Indonesian Mujahedeen Council, Fauzan Al Anshori, said he suspected that police would arrest the cleric again as a Bali suspect. "It looks like police are serious in carrying out the order from the US," he said. US Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said last month that Bashir was deeply involved in terror acts. Bashir, dismissing the claim, said: "They absolutely cannot accept that Islamic figures whom they have slandered are being released."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:19:50 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  With the capture of Hambali, Bashir remains one of the last big players in Southeast Asian terror. Unless they weld a tracking collar around his neck and plant a microphone up one of his body cavities, they have no business doing anything but planting this bastard. This shitstain is Yassin's spiritual brother.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 2:34 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Some more help from Syria or Why Mubarak skipped town
Al Qaeda-Hizballah Bomb Team on Amman Revenge Mission for Hamas
DEBKAfile Special Report
The building in the picture, the five-star Le Meridien Hotel, in the Shmeisani district of Amman, walking distance from the Hussein sports center and the Palace of Culture, was projected for reduction to charred rubble Friday, April 2 by a joint Hizballah-al Qaeda bomb team. This is revealed by DEBKAfile’s exclusive counter-terror sources. But part of that team was captured by Jordanian forces as it entered the kingdom from Syria at the Rahmtha crossing Wednesday, March 31, driving a suspicious looking pickup truck found on examination to be loaded with hundreds of kilos of explosives. The four detainees, questioned at Jordanian army security headquarters in Amman, soon gave them game away. They also disclosed that another one or two explosives-laden trucks with the rest of the terror team had managed to slip into Jordan before them and was at large - whereupon the royal security forces shot into pursuit mode and placed armed guards on the palaces, the US and Israeli embassies and strategic sites.
Great operational security. And superbly trained operatives. Zarqawi may be the evil overlord but he needs to get better minions.
Amid the hue and cry, King Abdullah put in calls to the United States and Israel to report the captured terrorists had also divulged they were on their way to carry out a mega-strike against at least two hotels and a large Amman shopping mall to avenge Israel’s killing of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in the Gaza Strip on March 22. The al Qaeda-Hizballah terrorist plot would have left several hundreds of people dead in Amman – a catastrophe several times greater than the Madrid train bombings. According to our Jordanian sources, the captured terrorists claimed that because the Hamas, Hizballah and al Qaeda were prevented thus far from carrying out a mass-casualty attack in any Israeli city by its heavy security build-up, they opted from the Jordanian capital as target. Initial input from the Jordanian inquiry has been relayed to Washington and Jerusalem.

The terrorists driving the missing truck or trucks were to have rendezvoused at an unknown location with a second team of fellow al Qaeda operatives who were to have collected the explosives and used them for suicide car bombings inside Amman. The truck seized at the border was to have blown up Le Meridien. DEBKAfile’s military sources add: the Jordanian army, police and security services have been on high alert for three days, special units reinforcing security at the royal palaces and for heads of government and economy. Royal Air Force craft are swooping up and down the kingdom hoping to spot the missing bomb vehicles and terrorists before they gain access to any Jordanian town. First thing Thursday, April 1, when they had still not been located, the king telephoned Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah in Riyadh and Hosni Mubarak in Sharm el Sheikh with bitter recriminations against Syrian President Bashar Assad for failing to avert the attempted assault on his capital city. He said the trucks could not have been packed with explosives on the outskirts of Damascus and then set off for the Jordanian frontier without the knowledge of Syrian military intelligence. Indeed, the captured terrorists admitted they had been assured they would not be bothered at the Syrian border crossing because the border guards had been told not to search the trucks. Then and there, to avoid the embarrassment of shaking hands with the accused Syrian leader, the Egyptian president ordered their meeting later that morning to be cancelled. In case Assad turned up anyway, Mubarak took to the air and flew out of the Sinai resort to Cairo.
Sounds like the Boy President's on the local poop list. Not that such things last long, generally...
Had the Le Meridien Hotel hit been achieved on behalf of Hamas, DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources sketch the resulting scenario:
  • Hamas would have claimed its vow to avenge its dead leader vindicated with the help of forces outside the country.

  • The pick-up truck or trucks still loose might still strike an Israeli target such as the Israeli embassy in Amman or an Israeli-Jordanian factory in the kingdom.

  • Jordan would carry the brand of the most loyal ally of America and Israel in the Middle East.

  • Even though the Hamas had no direct role in the operation, its leaders would claim that its reach had crossed national Palestinian borders and the movement was now part of the al Qaeda-Hizballah terrorist network in the Middle East and beyond.
Jordanian media named the notorious al Qaeda operative Musab Zarqawi as the suspected mastermind of the attempted al Qaeda-Hizballah Hamas mega-strike in Amman. DEBKAfile’s terror experts note that the familiar al Qaeda names bandied about after every terrorist action belong to the fundamentalist network’s command level current until the end of 2002. They are yesterday’s men. A new generation has meanwhile risen from the middle ranks whose names are unknown. Their anonymity has become the biggest obstacle facing Western intelligence in fighting or predicting al Qaeda actions. Zarqawi is a Jordanian himself and still active, but it is hardly credible that one man is capable of wreaking devastation over a short period in Baghdad, Karbala, Irbil, Madrid, Amman, Istanbul and every other world site targeted for terror.
Sure it is. He's the effective operations chief of al-Qaeda now.
Posted by: Meester Feester || 04/03/2004 12:53:42 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When under deadly pressure from the PLO the Hashimite entity did an excellent night of the long knives.... could this be replicated or is the A/Q threat too dispersed?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:33 Comments || Top||

#2  From the link above:

For Yasser Arafat, Black September was a test. He was asked to honor agreements, and repeatedly violated them; he was asked to rout out the extremists in his camp, and he didn't rout them out; he was asked to opt for realistic strategic goals, and he didn't opt for them.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#3  "Yasser Arafat: Defying Surprise for Over 34 Years!"
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:45 Comments || Top||


Terror Networks
Laurie Mylroie Article in WSJ Crticizing Richard Clarke About Ramzi Yousef
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/03/2004 18:05 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Please move to Terrorist Networks.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/03/2004 18:06 Comments || Top||

#2  I would like to see her story officially investigated or debunked with data. I have watched her interviewed several times and find her quite believable.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 22:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Clarke's wiggle room shrinks with each person present in those crucial meetings. How much room does it take you hang yourself? None, for this asshole.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 22:59 Comments || Top||

#4  SH, check out her book "Bush vs. the Beltway"
--she knows her stuff!
(And she lays most of the blame on the Clintoon Administration, natch.)
Posted by: Jen || 04/03/2004 23:32 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Sadr’s Militia Group Demolishes Local Sin City
A Shia militia group loyal to radical cleric Muqtada Sadr has wiped out a village in central Iraq which refused to adhere to its puritanical creed, killing some inhabitants and forcing the rest to flee. Hundreds of militiamen from the Mahdi’s Army group besieged the town of Kawlia, 10km south of the city of Diwaniya, with mortars and smashed walls with sledgehammers three weeks ago, reducing to rubble the entire village famed for its dancers and prostitutes since the 1920s. ...

Sayid Yahya Shubari, the 30-year-old local clerical commander of the Mahdi’s Army in Diwaniya, said his militia raided the village after receiving reports that pimps had kidnapped a 12-year-old girl. "It was a well of debauchery, drunkenness and mafia, and they were buying and selling girls," he said. He said Kawlia was flattened after the villagers shot an emissary he had sent to negotiate with them.

Hassan Ali, a director at Diwaniya’s civil defence department, said at least four people were killed and 15 wounded during six hours of night-time shelling. He said the attack was quelled after Spanish and Iraqi forces intervened. The town’s destruction has raised fears that the militia, which operates under the command of Mr Sadr, and is active in Baghdad and eight southern provinces, is not just operating above the law, but defining it. Mr Shubari says his Diwaniya office operates its own Sharia (Islamic law) courts, and uses its Sharia police to apply Islamic punishments. ....

In Diwaniya, a town where women are all but absent on the streets, many younger residents and some policemen praised the Mahdi’s Army methods. "People would come from all over the south, and even Baghdad to dance with the gypsy girls," said Bassam al-Najafi, a Diwaniya restaurateur. "Women were leaving their husbands to work there. They are cleansing the town."
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/03/2004 9:56:30 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jeez... I'm having more and more doubts that we're ever going to civilize these people.

I realize it's way to early to be giving up on them; but I sure hope the people who're pushing this "Arab Democracy Initiative" are treating it as an experiment and are anticipating what we might do to go forward in the WoT in the event it fails.

Because it very well could fail.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 22:11 Comments || Top||

#2  A private vice squad armed with mortars can not be tolerated. It seems rather light on the 4 KIA's and 15 wounded seems rather light for casualties. If the four dead were the king pins of trafficking in children and the 15 wounded were lower level accomplices, then Sadr's troops have down the world a favor. Now, lets kill them his army, quickly.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 22:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Kawlia was flattened after the villagers shot an emissary he had sent to negotiate with them.
Now there's idea. Fallujah are you paying attention?
Posted by: GK || 04/03/2004 22:54 Comments || Top||


Editors...
Steve, you're off the poop list.

I added a genuine REMOVE link on the other side of the comments box from the Magick Button, and renamed the button. REMOVE deletes the comment, the Magick Button removes the troll spew and adds the poster to the poop list.

REMOVE is for duplicate comments. Use it sparingly.
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 9:00:45 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Doesn't seem to work -- I clicked 'Remove' on Yasser Arafat several times, and when I checked with Agencie Press France -- nothing!
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 23:53 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL SW, like Stain Remover?
Posted by: Frank G || 04/04/2004 18:01 Comments || Top||

#3  I clicked 'Remove' on Yasser Arafat several times, and when I checked with Agencie Press France -- nothing!

Bwahahaha!

Frank G, in this case I think it's more like scrapin' sh!t offa your shoes.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/04/2004 22:08 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
US Tanks Roll Over Sadr Demo’s (I Wish)
EFL
US tanks deployed in the Iraqi capital to stop hundreds of angry protestors marching on the coalition’s city-centre headquarters as Shiite Muslim radicals took to the streets across central and southern Iraq. The protest in the capital turned violent as some supporters of radical leader Moqtada Sadr threw themselves at the US tanks and a police officer said at least two of the demonstrators had been crushed.
We can only hope...an immobile Tank is a vulnerable Tank, they get in the way, they get chrushed. There should be no games or hesitation over this....
Huge protests were also held in the central pilgrimage city of Najaf and as far south as Amara, while unarmed militiamen from Sadr’s Mehdi Army paraded in Sadr City, a sprawling mainly Shiite neighbourhood of the capital regarded as a radical stronghold. Sadr’s followers have held almost daily demonstrations to protest the decision by the coalition last Sunday to close his weekly newspaper for 60 days on charges of inciting violence.
Which it was....inciting violence that is. This newspaper should of been shut down long ago...and should I say it again?
Likewise Sadr and his like should be 6ft down and pushing up pretty daisy’s...doing something useful for Iraq, like being fertilizer...lol

Early Saturday, Sadr supporters took to the streets of Najaf, reacting to unfounded rumours that Spanish coalition soldiers had detained Mustafa Yaacubi, the head of his office in the city. Spanish commanders "categorically" denied the charge in a statement that was distributed to the crowd that formed outside the headquarters of the Spanish-led Plus Ultra Brigade in Najaf until mid-evening. The protestors dismissed the denial, demanding the release of Yaacubi and calling for another sit-in to take place Sunday morning.
The poor Spanish...they can’t win for losing. New bombs are going off in Madrid, and here the Islamists won’t even believe their denial
Rumours of Yaacubi’s arrest also spread to the southern city of Amara where thousands of protestors took to the streets to vent their anger, an AFP correspondent said. Sheikh Qais al-Khazaali, the head of Sadr’s office in Baghdad, warned that his movement would react if Yaacubi was not quickly released. "This is a new provocation by the coalition forces," Sheikh Khazaali told AFP. "If he is not quickly released, our movement, our leadership and our supporters will react with the means at our disposal." Another rumour that coalition forces were surrounding Sadr’s office in Najaf spread in the afternoon, prompting hundreds of his followers to head to the coalition’s Baghdad headquarters in buses and cars, correspondents said.
A Taget rich enviorment is a nice thing, as I always say
Their advance was stopped by police units and at least half a dozen US tanks which cordoned off streets leading to the heavily fortified administrative compound. An AFP correspondent saw one young man lunging at a tank which stopped abruptly without harming him. The crowd cheered the young man and then protestors upturned carts to block the road. "There were two or three dead among the protestors who threw themselves under American tanks which could not avoid them," said Sergeant Abbas Mohamad.
Only two or three dead? Heck, our Lads must not be trying
In similar clashes Friday evening, three Salvadoran soldiers were shot and wounded as they tried to disarm what the San Salvador press described as pro-Sadr militiamen in Kufa, just outside Najaf. Major Carlos Herradon, spokesman for the Plus Ultra Brigade, said the shooting erupted when the troops tried to disarm the militiamen in the shrine city, a Sadr stronghold, and a group of them opened fire.
The safest way to disarm an Islamists is...first to have him dead
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 6:39:32 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Dear Whoever is formating my few posts...First, an apology. I will get better at this. I do see and study the differences between what I post and what finally appears on Rantburg.

I do have too many paragraph breaks and unused line spacing. I will be more careful in the future. In any case, thanks for the help.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 20:46 Comments || Top||

#2  The protest in the capital turned violent as some supporters of radical leader Moqtada Sadr threw themselves at the US tanks and a police officer said at least two of the demonstrators had been crushed.

Wow! We're snuffing the opposition's biggest fanatics up front and for free. It works for me.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 20:48 Comments || Top||

#3  I've done a few of yours, Traveller, but no worries. I tend to compress the paragraphs to make it easier to get the "whole story" on a single screen (or two, or ...).

Problem is, newspapers these days assume a fifth grade reading level, and they assume that one can't read a paragraph longer than one or two sentences.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 20:53 Comments || Top||

#4  NOTE: Since this thread's author has brought it up, I also would like to thank this board's administrator(s). You alter very little (if any) of my content while capably reformatting my submissions for posting. I really appreciate that and will be working on my style.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Only two or three dead? Heck, our Lads must not be trying

What sort of an idiot throws themself at a tank? This does not compute. Your body VS a tank body...guess who's gonna win, the 70-ton depleted uranium behemoth or the skinny 125-150lbs guy protesting. THINK, DARN YOU, THINK!
Posted by: Anonymous3999 || 04/03/2004 21:08 Comments || Top||

#6  "THINK, DARN YOU, THINK!"

What is thinking compared to the glories of planar martyrdom, crushed beneath the articulated, Zionist treads of American heavy machinery? Let us drive out the Yankee infidels and return to the glorious reign of Saddam who would not put up with this whiny, childish crap. Saddam, who would crush us like bugs in an instant.... hey, wait a minute!
Posted by: SteveS || 04/03/2004 21:19 Comments || Top||

#7  Darn right.
Posted by: Anonymous3999 || 04/03/2004 21:26 Comments || Top||

#8  It's impossible, I know, but one plan would be to use the armor to herd these ingrates to Fallujah, pass out weapons at the checkpoints, and let them into town to address the root cause of their complaints, their Sunni ex-overlords.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/03/2004 21:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Traveller, there are few cases that I would agree with using the tool of assassination during nation-building, but the whacking of Al Sadr would be hard to condemn. I can't think of any reasonable argument for him not being an Iranian cat's paw, but I read neither Farsi nor Arabic.

I'm sure that his punks would flip their turbans and kick-off a mini jihad, but a large portion of the Iraqis would sigh in relief. The only downside I see would be our action would be the same as inscribing "assassination" in place of "electoral college" in the Iraqi Constitution. I expect that assassination will still function as the Iowa Caucuses for several Iraqi generations, but it would be nice is we can avoid putting the Uncle Sam stamp on the practice.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 21:51 Comments || Top||

#10  "What sort of an idiot throws themself at a tank?"

These were members of the previously unknown al-Aqsa Rachel Corrie Brigade.
Posted by: Matt || 04/03/2004 22:25 Comments || Top||

#11  Dear Super Hose:

I know you are the voice of reason in this "Crusade," (Big Smile), of mine to have al-Sadr wacked. I am a reasonable man...but I am coming to feel like Cato the Elder here, shouting all the time, "Carthage must be destroyed!" As eventually, after 3 punic wars, it was.

I want to agree with you, but in my heart I don't and I have to be honest about this. The Shah of Iran should of had Kohamini bumped off in Paris in 1978 and, as with as much deniability as possible, we should kill, there's no pretty word for this, al-Sadr as soon as possible.

BTW, I don't think that anyone threw themselves under an Abrams tank...the story is from Agencee`
France or some similar news service. So there is the requirement of a grain of salt. I should have noted this.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||

#12  Matt, ROTFLMAO!!
As a public service, I post the full quote here:

"Update:
A previously unknown militant group, the Al Aqsa Rachel Corrie Brigade, claimed responsibility for the attack on the tanks. The new group's spokeman, Abdul Heydrich Al-Panzerschreck, asserted a mighty victory for having placed bone scratches on several tracks and blood on the paintwork.
A mob of militant women and children ululated at news of an American casualty: a newly-arrived soldier who was overcome with nausea upon seeing the remains of the run-over militants. The unidentified soldier reportedly required emergency treatment with fresh air and lemon-drops."
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/04/2004 0:11 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Kurdish Women Made Huge Progress in Last Decade; Arab Women Might Follow Their Example
It has been more than a decade since northern Iraq was freed from the restrictions of the Ba’ath regime. Since then, women in the region have seen many achievements. Organizations and NGOs focusing on women’s issues have flourished across northern Iraq. Shelters have been created to assist women in distress. And many conferences and seminars on women’s rights have been organized. Women hold important administrative positions in Iraqi Kurdistan. And several women have even been appointed as judges. .... Nesreen Berwari, the only female member of the Iraqi Governing Council -- and who narrowly escaped an assassination attempt last weekend -- is from Iraqi Kurdistan, where she served as minister of reconstruction and development for the Kurdistan regional government.

Nesreen Ibrahim is the project coordinator of the Women’s Media and Education Center in the northern Iraqi city of Suleymanieh. The center publishes "Rewan" ("Guidance"), a biweekly newspaper on women’s issues printed in Kurdish and Arabic. Ibrahim says the events in 1991 opened a window of opportunity for women in northern Iraq to become aware of their rights and raise their voice. "Political freedom was achieved to a [certain] extent and women had chances to struggle to remove the chains they had for many years, throughout the history. This is the first time Kurdish women have [a] voice. We could also raise our voice against all the discrimination or violence implemented against women like illiteracy and other issues," Ibrahim said. ....

One of the main achievements of women in Northern Iraq is the amendment to the Iraqi penal code. In 1990, Article 111 of the penal code exempted from prosecution and punishment men who killed their female relatives in so-called "honor killings." Activists say since the law went into effect, several hundred women were killed by their husbands, brothers, fathers, or other male relatives, simply because of suspicions they were engaged in extramarital affairs. Under pressure from women’s rights activists, the Iraqi Kurdistan parliament amended the legislation in 2002 -- a significant step toward eradicating deep-rooted acceptance of violence against women. ....

Suaad Abdulrahman is the project coordinator for WADI, a German NGO working in northern Iraq since 1993. WADI provides women’s shelters and works to combat all forms of violence against women. Abdulrahman says her organization is about to open two new centers for women in Hauraman, a region that until a year ago was controlled by the hard-line Ansar al-Islam faction, and where strict Islamic laws were enforced. "I’m very happy about that, because you know for about 10 years the women of Hauraman were under [the control] of the Ansar al-Islam. Now they will have a center, a base where they can meet. They can speak about their problems and also build their capacity, improve their skills," Abdulrahman said.

Abdulrahman adds that the empowerment of women is fundamental for the democratization of the society. She says women in other parts of Iraq can use the experience of the women in the north as a model. A number of conferences in recent months have allowed women from elsewhere in Iraq to talk to women from Iraqi Kurdistan about how to improve their circumstances. "They’re exchanging many ideas about their experience because they have about 12 years of experience about women’s issues," Abdulrahman said.

The analysts say that despite other differences between Kurdistan and the rest of Iraq, women in the north are eager to help fellow females throughout the country. Still, Hadi in Arbil says more time is needed before cooperation truly takes root. "We have achieved a lot, and they should try to learn from us. I think it will take a while for the two nations to get back together and to listen to each other. But at the moment, a couple of times women have gone to the south to some meetings or some seminars and they have been very unhappy [upon] coming back, because they’ve said not only [that women in the south] don’t want to listen to us, but also that they don’t think we are any more ahead of them. And it has been a problem. So I think we need more dialogue and more getting used to each other. But certainly [our experience] has to be used, because it is the best model in the region," Hadi said.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 04/03/2004 5:35:11 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Four Killed in Attacks on Iraqi Police
In the latest assault on Iraq's U.S.-trained security forces, gunmen killed four people in two separate attacks on police south of Baghdad on Saturday. A senior U.S. official, meanwhile, said investigators were studying videotape of Iraqis mutilating the bodies of four American contract workers killed Wednesday in Fallujah, trying to identify participants.
Musta read my suggestion, huh? I hope they read the part about killing the bastards, too...
The charred remains of the Americans were dragged through the streets for hours after insurgents ambushed their vehicles. Two corpses were hung from a bridge. There was no sign of any U.S. military activity in the Fallujah area to suggest retaliatory action was imminent. U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer has said those who killed the four civilians and burned their bodies "will not go unpunished."
Just don't wait too long, Paul...
In the first attack on police Saturday, the department chief of Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad, was driving from the capital to his home when gunmen killed him and his driver, police Lt. Ala'a Hussein said. Not long afterward, six attackers shot at a four-man police patrol in Mahmoudiya, killing one and wounding three, police officer Khaldoon al-Gurairi said. A 60-year-old bystander was also killed.
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 3:11:21 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Wow, Fred - this is a classic AP "news" story - a veritable pot luck collection of stuff. The pull a bait 'n switch in the second sentence! Gotta be a reord!
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:56 Comments || Top||


Closure of Iraq Paper Spurs Opposition
The U.S. closure of the weekly newspaper of a zealously anti-American Shiite cleric has invigorated the movement and its opposition to the American-led occupation. With the United States planning to surrender political power to Iraqis by the end of June, Washington can little afford a new front in the increasingly violent battle to pacify the country. But closing the newspaper, Al-Hawza, seems to have opened one. Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's supporters are well-organized and led by young, motivated clerics whose respect for their 30-year-old leader arises largely from the reverence accorded his late father, a senior cleric gunned down in 1999 by suspected agents of Saddam Hussein's regime.
This project's aged him, though. Why, just last year he was only 22.
The movement's social services and appeal as a powerful forum for Shiites in Baghdad's poor neighborhoods and Iraq's southern cities have generated discipline and loyalty among supporters.
That's the Hamas model in action...
Al-Hawza was closed March 28 for allegedly inciting violence against coalition troops. Al-Sadr's supporters then held huge demonstrations outside the Baghdad headquarters of the U.S.-led coalition Wednesday and Friday. Movement leaders say if the decision is not rescinded soon, they will disrupt life in Baghdad with an indefinite citywide strike.
Meaning they'll get violent.
On Saturday, thousands of black-clad militiamen loyal to al-Sadr marched in military step in Baghdad. "It's not just a question of closing down Al-Hawza," said Abbas al-Robai, the paper's editor and a close aide to al-Sadr. "If we don't resist by all means now, they'll close our offices and ban our Friday prayers."
Sounds like a good move. When you act like a loon, expect a straightjacket...
Also Saturday, about 3,000 people demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, south of Baghdad, to protest the earlier detention of Mustafa al-Yacoubi, a senior al-Sadr aide. Other movement officials reported the arrest, but the U.S. military could not confirm his detention.
"I dunno. Hey, Bob! Do you have him?"
Later, a report circulated in Baghdad that al-Sadr's Najaf home was surrounded by coalition troops, prompting thousands of supporters to march on coalition headquarters. U.S. soldiers backed by tanks blocked their path, witnesses said. "The enemies of God and your enemies will not be able to stand up to you," Qais al-Khazali, who deputized for al-Sadr at the militia parade, told participants. "This is the first step in defending your faith, your nation and your holy shrines." Al-Sadr's group was prominent in the months after Saddam's ouster but lately had faded from the limelight, largely because of the rise of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Husseini al-Sistani as the Shiites' top cleric. Ostensibly, Saturday's parade was staged as a prelude to the militia's expected role in maintaining law and order when hundreds of thousands of pilgrims flock to holy Shrines in Baghdad and the southern city of Karbala on a major Shiite feast next week.
Expect another boom or two then...
Posted by: Fred || 04/03/2004 2:57:19 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Separation of Church and State - a fundamental condition to prevent any one ideology from being officially sanctioned, to the detriment of other belief systems, something that Shi'ites should be able to follow, assuming an IQ of a rock (Iraq? Heh).

Why someday they'll even understand sedition!

Hey, call me a dreamer, but I'm optimistic that way. ;^)
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:44 Comments || Top||

#2  What we are seeing here is a riot by conspira-liar media fans.

Western collaborationist media have obviously not given it much emphasis but Al-Hawza had consistently claimed that coalition forces themselves were carrying out the terrorist attacks on Shiite holy sites and other targets. The incitement in these claims is obvious, as is the propaganda support for the foreign jihadi and Sunnite enemy.
Civil war on a massive scale is coming to Iraq, and we are spitting into the wind trying to stop it.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/03/2004 18:28 Comments || Top||

#3  I also think there will be civil war in Iraq. And the Sunnis will be the big losers.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/03/2004 18:35 Comments || Top||

#4  "allegedly inciting violence against coalition troops"

It called for the killing of our troops. We should close it and burn the building and equiptment to the ground. AC130's stand by for the swarm afterward...oops, wrong hellhole
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:38 Comments || Top||


Iraq Restarts Oil Pipeline to Turkey
Iraq began pumping oil to Turkey through its northern pipeline Saturday after a nearly three-week lull, Dow Jones Newswires reported. Service resumed at about 8 a.m. at an initial rate of 400,000 barrels a day, Dow Jones reported. The prewar capacity of the pipeline - from the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk to Turkey's southern Ceyhan port - was about 900,000 barrels.
That would put a dent in the oil speculation market.
Oil has not been pumped to Ceyhan from Iraq since March 17. The oil flow through the pipeline has halted several times since last year, often because of sabotage and other problems.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 2:43:48 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This oil has the standard 50% markup for gutless back-stabbing betrayal, right? One Front War = Fallujah / Sunni Triangle contribution to US Death Toll.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 15:48 Comments || Top||

#2  Comments Murat? You kurd-hating gutless troll
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 18:42 Comments || Top||

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: mhw TROLL || 04/03/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||

#4  I think that the prewar capacity was pre 1991 capacity. They need a bigger more secure pipeline. If they had such a pipeline, I understand they could pump 2 Million barrels/day and Turkey would get at least $1/barrel in transit fees and probably at least 3 times more than that in terminal and docking fees.
Posted by: mhw || 04/03/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||


A Note On Mercs and Fallujah
Dear Rantburg Members:

I have wanted to post this long before the Fallujah incident, but I had to wait for the article to into general circulation, though for members only, at the Esquire Magazine site. The March Esquire had a very fine article on the "Hired Contractors," in Iraq. In fair use, I have stolen two incidents from this issue of Esquire so that maybe people can understand Contractors, and Iraqi’s, a little better. BTW, Esquire is really a wonderful Magazine, (I don’t want them mad at me...lol)

As to the topic at hand...Mercs make damned good money for the risks they run. But generally they are also cowboys...they like being on the line and on occassion over the line. I myself considered doing some Merc work a long while back, (because of the fun), but while they are hard and tough, I am soft and whimpy...lol. I am not anti-contractor, but they are different in many respects from normal soldiers...they like the action, the money, the adrenaline rush. While there are bad ones, many if not most believe in what they are doing.

Some commentary follows these excerpts:
Just south of Nasiriyah, we stopped for gas. Despite having one of the world’s largest oil reserves, Iraq has relatively few filling stations. Thanks to sabotaged oil pipelines and a huge glut of new vehicles (more than three hundred thousand since the war), every station has a gas line. Some are more than a mile long. People can wait for days, camped out in their cars, for a full tank. We had no intention of doing that. Waiting in line, stationary and exposed, was simply too dangerous. Instead, we commandeered the gas station.

All four vehicles roared in at high speed. Two went directly to the pumps. Two formed mobile roadblocks near the entrance. Contractors with guns jumped out and stopped traffic from coming in. Others took positions around the perimeter of the station. Kelly motioned for me to stand guard with my rifle by the back wall. There was a large and growing crowd around us. It looked hostile.

And no wonder. We’d swooped in and stolen their places in line, reminding them, as if they needed it, of the oldest rule there is: Armed people get to do exactly what they want; everyone else has to shut up and take it. It wasn’t until later, after we’d left the gas station and were back on the highway, that I felt guilty about any of this. Kelly, to his credit, felt bad, too. There had been quite a few children there. I’d seen them watching as we forced their fathers out of the way to get to the pumps. "We neutered their dads," Kelly said. He was right. We had. And we’d had no choice. It was horrible if you thought about it.
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I was not going to miss Nasiriyah. The city has about as bad a vibe to it as any place I’ve ever been. Ten miles away, my skin began to crawl. The fact that our fuel tanks were almost empty added to the tension. We were driving slowly on the outskirts of town, caught in traffic. It was market day, and the road was lined with hundreds of people, most of them staring at us. Both gas stations we passed were closed. Someone nearby started firing a gun at us. Kelly pulled the SUV into the oncoming lane, and then back again. There were too many vehicles to go anywhere. We were boxed in.

A few tense minutes later, we came to a working gas station. It was packed with people, crowds of them, some waiting for gas, some just milling around outside a mosque next door. It was the worst possible place to stop, but there was no choice. We needed fuel. We initiated the gas-station takeover.

It was different this time. I hadn’t thought about it till now, but we had fewer armed men with us than we’d had driving in. Kelly stayed with the car, which was left running in case we needed to leave quickly. I hopped out with my rifle to keep an eye on two large groups of men who seemed to be approaching us. I walked about twenty feet, then turned to my left to see what the man next to me was doing. That’s when I realized there was nobody next to me, no one whose lead I could follow. I was by myself.

During our first conversation about going to Iraq, Kelly and I had talked about situations like this. It’s one thing to believe in the principle of self-defense. Most people do. It’s quite another to make the conscious decision to kill someone. Kelly had made it clear that I’d have to decide ahead of time whether I’d be willing. "Final confirmation of an attack usually comes in the form of injury to you," he’d said. "If you feel threatened, engage, up to and including lethal force." Survival means acting first. Hesitation equals death.
I’d had plenty of opportunities to mull this over since getting to Baghdad. I didn’t want to hurt another person. The idea sickened me. But now I knew for certain that I would, without hesitation.

The groups of men were definitely walking toward me now, talking to one another and looking angry. The crowd behind them was getting larger and more agitated. In my peripheral vision I could see shapes, people darting in and out between cars parked in the gas line. I hoped someone else was watching them.

At the center of the group advancing on me were two youngish men with tough-guy expressions on their faces. They were obviously leading whatever was about to happen. I decided to shoot them first. I’d start with the one on the right. I unfolded the AK’s paratrooper stock and tucked it into my shoulder, raising the muzzle. Then I switched off the safety. I waited for one of them to make a quick movement.

Neither one did. In fact, both stopped where they were and glared at me. I glared back. Five minutes later, our tanks were full and we left. There was no firefight at the gas station, but I left feeling as if something important and horrible had just happened. I’d been forced to make a decision about life and death. There were no official guidelines. There was no one around to make the call but me, just as there would have been no one around to judge the consequences. I could have done anything. The only rules were those I imposed on myself. I hated it. It was an instructive experience. For a moment, I felt what it is to be an American civilian contractor in Iraq.

The Shock of Fallujah is the desecration of the bodies...not that that is so very unusual either. Hector is slain by Achilles and is defiled by being dragged behind his chariot...though Achilles pays in the end for this also.

It is the going against the almost silently ingrained code of war that so causes the recoiling from Fallujah...but it is not that uncommon. The Mercs knew their business, (and I don’t see this as a pejorative term either... a lot of swagger, a certain romanticism, a reality of being beyond the law or control), and they lost. They died. There is nothing dishonorable in that.

Regarding Warriors...I get to try to kill you and you get to try to kill me... who’s going to be first, that’s the only question in doubt. But warriors know that dead is dead... as in blank stares at an uncaring sky with flies walking on your unblinking eyes, you tongue obscenely bloated and sticking out between your purplish lips... just the way it is.

The United States and Most of Europe is divorced from blood and death, though this is our sole common achievement awaiting for every person. Maybe this is good for a civilized society. However, being totally separated from the messier aspects of reality is not necessary good for a Country that may well be in a protracted 20 year war in a world brimming with real and pressing danger.

People generally don’t realize or even think about the fact that hamburger they eat today was yesterday a living and breathing thing that wanted to live...desperately wanted to live. Who in the United States last had to slaughter their own food? But it is common in most parts of the world.

You slit the animal’s throat, you drain the blood for foodstuffs later, while the poor thing bleats or screams or moans at it’s terrible passing from this earth.

I don’t say this is bad, but few in America understand this or are close to it in a tactile way... as is the population of Fallujah. What happened to the “Contractors,” was terrible... but that’s the game. I am still slightly furious that it took the Marines 10 long hours to react at all. As I have argued, everyone at the Bridge was also fair game... though in my calmer moments I know that Bremmer’s and the Marine’s measured approach is the correct one.

Still, occasionally I fantasize... There are 15,000 Mercenaries in Iraq now? Pull the Marines back and let them have at Fallujah... God knows that the 4th ID, the 82nd Airborne and now the Marines haven’t had much success there. It would be interesting to see what would happen.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 1:59:24 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't see someone, like those four killed in Fallujah, performing a duty under an occupying power, and with UN santion, as a mercenary
As far as I know a mercanary is someone who fall into the official definition.

Art. 47. Mercenaries

1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.

2. A mercenary is any person who:


"(a) is specially recruited in order to fight in an armed conflict,(b) who takes a direct part in the hostilities, (c)who is motivated by money and is promised substantially higher pay than that paid to other combatants of similar rank, who is not a national of one of the countries involved in the conflict nor a resident of a territory controlled by any of the parties, is not a member of the armed forces of any of the parties, and who has not been sent by another country on official duty as a member of its armed forces"

However I have no problem with using mercenaries in the right situation, but Iraq is not it.

Posted by: tipper || 04/03/2004 10:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Tipper points out the biggest flaw in the Geneva Conventions, IMHO: mercenaries are not protected by it. Bizarrely enough, according to some of the agreements signed by nearly everyone but the sane countries of the US and Israel, the terrorists would be protected.

If that doesn't churn your stomach, nothing will.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/03/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#3  The use of "Mercenary" is inflammatory rhetoric, and against the definitions given in the Geneva Conventions.

... who is not a national of one of the countries involved in the conflict .. who has not been sent by another country on official duty as a member of its armed forces"


They were not "specifically recruited to fight in an armed conflict" - they are there as a US Government Contractor to provide security for food convoys, to assist the legitimate governing authority in feeding the people it is responsbile for.

Since these were contracted directly to the US government (certainly a national of one of the countries involved), and they were on official duties for the US Government and they were US citizens, they arguably are not mercenaries.

I have a friend over there now doing this work. I was holding my breath until I got an email from him. He tells me that the one who died violated policy and broke the rules by going through Fallujah, and on top of that they changed to a route that had no prior recon. He knew the risks when he went over. And as any good operator will tell you, you only freelance when your life depends on it and your original plan is broken. This was not the situation for that. They screwed up. They died. And everyone over there got a hard lesson. The people who comitted the barbaric acts are getting their hard lesson quite soon, some of them already getting visits at night.

Anyway, after he and the guys with him are home, I may post up some pictures - he sends me some every week (per him, the locals over there are starting to get pretty decent internet access). Then you will see the truth, not what the press puts out.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 11:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Hesitation equals death.
I'd had plenty of opportunities to mull this over since getting to Baghdad. I didn't want to hurt another person. The idea sickened me. But now I knew for certain that I would, without hesitation.


My heart goes out to this reporter. He now knows the fundamental difference between being a civilian and being a warrior, the willingness to act, to kill, if needs require it.

Its not an easy thing to learn about yourself if you tend to be a deep thinker or a religious person. And its harder yet when you actually have pulled the trigger and seen the results.

Its a decision guys like us hope to spare our wives and children from having to make, by making that choice ourselves, and we go out hunting the wolves instead of waiting for them to be at our door.

And as any realisitic person knows, its a choice that not everyone can make. There is plenty of room in the world for the Ghandi's and Martin Luther King's - we need them to try to make the world into a place where there will not be a need for guys like us.

But as long as we don't run short of people that can willingly choose to pull the trigger when needed, then the wolf will not growl at all of our doors, at least not for long, and the peacemakers can go about their work unhindered.

Si vis pacem para bellum
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#5  Excellent post, Traveller, it touches upon several nascent points for Americans. Indeed, most of us have been safely isolated from life/death situations our whole lives. As a kid on a farm, I have no problem remembering wringing a chicken's neck or riding down to the slaughterhouse with our home-grown steer - and watching the entire process that filled our freezer in the garage. Later, in the Army, I discovered what the contractor in the second vignette did. But I'm an old fart - most in the West have not Clue One.

I have never been a Mil Merc (Though it is an appealing thought for me, too, Traveller!) but there's definitely overlap between that and being a Civ Contractor in weird places. Some of us have what I call the Adventure Gene - I sure do, and it was the reason I spent 4 yrs working in Saudi. The love of the weird, wacky, different to the degree of incomprehensibility, dismissing many of the inconveniences in favor of experiences unavailable in the safe nest of MommyLand -- these are the symptoms of Adventure Gene carriers.

OS has it right both here and in another of today's threads - I don't buy that the Blackwater people were "mercenaries" - they are Civ Contractors whose job is the assessment and development of security practices for food shipments. They certainly became their own worst object lesson in the case of Fallujah. And, yeah, they fucked up. Since they definitely paid the ultimate price for doing so, no one should be so presumptuous as to vilify them for it. Just learn from it and move on.

On the other point, as OS argues elsewhere, it's time to get medieval - nothing less will do - or survive. It has always happened in war. Just because Life and The Saturday Evening Post didn't feature it, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and frequently too, off-camera and away from the eyes of those who don't know what the Contractor was talking about in the excerpt. It happened. It happens now. It always has and always will in war. Some will have to get over it.

Today there are 3 "new" components (please add more as needed) I figure clearly play a major role to differentiate from previous wars:
1) cameras - everywhere, and pictures are very powerful
2) MUCH better communications (Vets: recall those old FM units?) including the Internet and GPS
3) weapon lethality

The first factor will make the MommyLand people cringe - we saw it in the Kuwait City exodus that turned into a modern "killing field" - and freaked the weenies right out of their shoes. We will see if events like Fallujah help some of them both "get it" and "get over it."

The second means better mil coordination and rapid reactions - better efficiency. It also means asshats can coord actions with their cellphones -- and upload images to the Internet - with results varying across the entire spectrum, intended and otherwise. This magnifies item #1's effect, IMHO. An additional aspect, from the Internet of course, is that "How To" cookbooks can end up in anyone's hands. So everything from the fertilizer-fuel oil bomb to simple non-explosive weapons (e.g. chemical - Sarin, etc.) can pop up anywhere. A lot of people will die - directly because of the Internet. And who can doubt the changes about brought by GPS?

The lethality item will even surprise old timers who "get it" - but had lesser gear, such as me. Others know the inventory much better than I do and I leave it to them to expound. I rely upon my Grandfather's old Colt 45 and a Samurai sword I bought 25 years ago in a pawn shop.

Everyone's gonna get dirty in the WoT and figure it out - or they will beg to kow-tow - and lose. We all have to, at the very least, try to "get it" and "get over it" -- or get the hell out of the way of those willing to do it for us, such as the Contractors.

Apologies for the length.
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 12:00 Comments || Top||

#6  now that's a rant
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#7  9.6
Extra points for slipping in Samurai sword.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 12:32 Comments || Top||

#8  Old Spook is right - these men were not mercenaries. That term is being misused, as a way to devalue their lives.

Traveller, some Americans do know about life and death first hand. Talk with anyone who grew up hunting. My first year out deer hunting, I winged a doe. At my father's insistence, we hiked two and half miles through heavy brush, in miserable weather, to find her and kill her cleanly so that she wouldn't suffer.

He insisted I do the final shot since I had jumped the gun and took a poor shot to begin with. Then we brought her out, took her home and, as we always did, gratefully added her flesh to our freezer.

I married a man who doesn't hunt and we live in a nice suburban home now. I can buy as much pre-packaged meat as we like. But I haven't forgotten being hungry when my dad was laid off and I haven't forgotten where food comes from -- or what being honorable means for those who shoot guns.

Now as a middle-aged woman I teach young men and women who will shortly become Army officers. They too have learned a lot about honor in their 4 years at the bend of the Hudson. Some will learn about blood close up soon.

If we've done our jobs right, they will never ever stoop to the desecration we saw in Fallujah, nor will they ever excuse it on the part of others.
Posted by: rkb || 04/03/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#9  My 2 bits - we live in the best nation on the planet - no doubt in my mind, however, I fear many of my civilian countrymen have gotten soft, fat, indifferent and worst of all - complacent.
Capitalism is great, but the pure pursuit of material goods without thought for posterity of one's nation is not patriotism, it is the worst case of me-ism & stupidity. I feel unfortunately many Americans have fallen into this. I also hate to say it but I look at some people (far left-libz, pretentious yuppie schmucks, and the m-tv generation) when I'm on leave and wonder how the fuck it got to be that my life blood protects their ability to stay fat, ignorant, soft and weak. Pressing on....

These guys were not mercs. The writer of this article is a very sensitive and an observant person. In a way, he values life, any life more then prolly a lot of the people who were approaching him at the gas station, case in point - the difference between us and them. He also felt bad about making them wait, prolly not my reaction, but such is life.

I've killed a few deer, doves, squirrel, feral hogs, and one rabid dog. Felt worse about that deep down then seeing any dead enemy iraqis or afghans. Maybe because I dehumanize them to cope w/the fact that they were someone's son, brother, father etc. The bottomline, imho as a warrior, your there for a job, keep yourself alive to complete the mission and save U.S. lives, period. No sense in beating yourself up about "what if's" and other crap, no time for that, men depend on me to stay icy professional and lead by example, we need to do so without hesitation. Way I figure it, its him or me, I have a family to get home to so fuck him. Maybe when I'm 75 I'll have a good reflection on it, until then - focus on the mission & take care of your lads in the process. That simple.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/03/2004 17:42 Comments || Top||

#10  Interesting link re mercenaries, here.
"Successive British governments have kept the mercenaries at arm's length. Now, however, the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, has decided that mercenaries are, in fact, rather a good thing. They have therefore, in true New Labour fashion, been re-branded as "private military companies" (PMCs). And this week the Foreign Office published a Green Paper proposing a system of licensing or regulation for companies offering military services abroad."

Posted by: tipper || 04/03/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Interview with Ahmed Rashid on Pakistan and Musharraf
Ahmed Rashid is an internationally known Pakistani journalist and an authority on Muslim extremist groups. He is a correspondent with the Far East Economic Review as well as the author of Jihad: The Rise of Militant Islam in Central Asia and Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia.

Do you feel that the peace talks with India this time around are different?
Well, I hope they are different. I don’t know if they will be different ... . I think there is a realization here, in the military, that the gap between India and Pakistan is growing so much now that unless there is an accord over Kashmir, then India is going to out-trump Pakistan in every conceivable field. I think there is also a realization in India that this continued conflict with Pakistan is hampering India’s acceptance into the world market, into the United Nations as a global player. So I hope that there is a realization on both sides, but of course we are just starting out in this process. It’s going to take a very long time.

Who is trying to kill Musharraf now? And why now?
Since 9/11, Musharraf has had a very contradictory policy toward these extremist groups. He has banned them and restricts them. At the same time, the intelligence services have worked with them very closely, especially in Kashmir and backing the Taliban. But I think what has happened now is that some of these extremist groups have realized that in the long term what Musharraf has been forced to do -- as they see it, [forced] by the Americans -- is a threat to their own existence and beliefs. And I think some of them have put together a suicide hit squad to try and eliminate him. They see his departure as being a signal for the army ... perhaps radical elements in the army to come forward and not to pursue these pro-American policies. I think what we are seeing is a mixture of local extremist groups [and] elements of al Qaeda, who are still in Pakistan. And I think a silent grid of ISI [Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military intelligence agency] officials; some of the scientists, perhaps, in the Kahuta laboratories; some Islamicist intellectuals; people in the army; ... [a] grid of very hard-line radicals right up there in the top of the establishments who I think would like to see Musharraf go.

What kind of pressure do you think Musharraf is under right now?
Musharraf is under enormous pressure right now. ... He has tried to play this balancing act for the last two and half years. Since 9/11, he has tried to satisfy the West, the United States, the liberal critics inside Pakistan and also the fundamentalists. I think all these chickens are coming home to roost now. I don’t think you can walk two high wires at the same time.

Do you think that Musharraf faces any threats from within the army?
I think certainly these two assassination attempts had people inside the army supporting them. I think given what he has been forced to do on the nuclear issue and on making peace with India and on other things ... that there is an increase ... within the midlevel ranks of the army of anti-Musharraf feeling. I think there certainly are security elements inside the military and intelligence that have been providing the extremists who are trying to assassinate him with information. I think that threat is pretty serious.

Would you comment on the military alliance with the maulvis, the religious clerics? Why is the Pakistan army in cahoots with these people?
The military has used the mullah, or the maulvi, alliance ... to achieve two foreign policy aims. One is to continue the fight in Kashmir and to tie down the Indian troops over a long period of time, which of course has happened. And the second is to pursue a foreign policy in Afghanistan which is a support for the extreme Pashtun elements, whether it was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar [Afghan warlord and leader of the hard-line Hizb-i-Islami party that advocates attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan] or Taliban. ... The mullahs have served the military’s interest over the last two decades really well. But I think ... post-9/11, the army really did not understand that you could not at the same time back the Americans, crack down on terrorism and ... continue this policy [of support for extreme elements]. Now what we are seeing two and half years down the road is all these elements coming together and real pressure. Now Musharraf has to cut his losses with the militants.

The Kashmiri jihadis -- do you think that they have a religious agenda as well or are they simply freedom fighters?
I think it is a mixture of both. I think a lot of them are mercenaries, by the way, and a lot of them been brainwashed -- young kids who have been through the madrassahs [Islamic religious schools], who have no idea about Islam or jihad or the history of Indo-Pak or the history of Kashmir. They have no idea about the Kashmiri people or anything like that. I think there is another element that is religiously motivated and has interpreted jihad in a very narrow way, in a very one-dimensional way and believe that they have to conquer India -- not only Kashmir -- in order to fulfill the tenets of what they believe is jihad. I think the third element is the leadership, which is largely politicized leadership and very corrupt. They make a lot of money out of this, if you see the way that they move around in their four-wheel drives, their lifestyles, the houses they live in. They have made a lot of money out of Kashmir and they have a political agenda. And they certainly don’t want to see peace between India and Pakistan because they know that it means an end to their economic lifestyle.

What effect would the recent allegations about Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan have on Musharraf and on Pakistan?
Well, I don’t think the story is going to go away. There has been a huge attempt to whitewash this by the army and by the Americans and particularly by the Bush administration. But the fact of the matter is that no Pakistani believes that Dr. AQ Khan single-handedly proliferated to three countries over 27 years. Everybody knows that this program was under the military, was run by the military. And if there has been a case of proliferation, then it is carried out by the military. I don’t doubt that the Americans in their heart of hearts also know this extremely well. I am sure their intelligence is telling them the same. It is convenient right now to whitewash Musharraf, but I think the story is not going to go away. The silence of the Americans today may not continue six months or in a year’s time. What if there is a different administration? Will Pakistan suffer sanctions from tougher policies? Even if the Americans have whitewashed it, then what would be the reaction from the European community? From the Japanese who are very sensitive [about] proliferation, for example, in North Korea? From the international atomic agency? From the U.N. Security Council? We don’t know. I think this proliferation is going to unleash a whole series of questions for countries around the world. ... What links did they have with Pakistan?

There were allegations against General [Mirza Aslam] Beg [former chief of staff of the Pakistani army], in terms of the proliferation, that he assisted in it and turned a blind eye. In your opinion, was General Beg or military leaders at his level involved in any way?
I think that the military was certainly involved. A proliferation at this level cannot have been done single-handedly by a small group of scientists. The military had to be involved. I mean, the simple fact is that when we are talking about a barter deal with North Korea, it’s fairly obvious ... who is going to benefit ... from the Pakistan side. General Beg, as army chief, I am sure was involved ... . It was an institutional commitment that the army had and unfortunately it has been tragic. In the long term, it is going to be devastating for Pakistan.

Do you think that the general public in Pakistan is happy with General Pervez Musharraf? Do you think that there is a sense that he is failing the people or are people accepting his policies?
I don’t think he has [ever] been as unpopular as he is right now. He is hugely unpopular, I think, from both ends of the spectrum. From the Islamicists, he is seen as toeing the American line, making peace with India, blaming the scientist for this nuclear proliferation etc. He is very unpopular with the middle-class liberals, the democrats, with the opposition parties because he can’t be seen to be doing enough. He is trying to run two horses at the same time. He is playing with the fundamentalists and with the Americans at the same time. The whitewash of the nuclear issue by blaming the scientists -- people are angry at this. And they are angry at the military, and I think what is happening is, unfortunately ... , that his unpopularity is rubbing off very strongly on the army. I think some of the thinking generals and officers understand that very well -- how unpopular the army is becoming with the public. And not just because of these issues but because of the corruption that people see: the perks and privileges that are going to the army; the enormous amount of benefits that the senior officers have reaped from this martial law ... the lack of democracy; the fake elections last year; the parliament that has no powers; a dummy prime minister. And people are very angry.

But don’t you think that Musharraf [is in] a hard place? Do you think that anyone else would have been able to do a better job or he is doing the best that he can under the circumstances?
No doubt that he is in a hard place. But unfortunately, since 9/11, when he got a new lease on life, he has not been genuine about a single policy that he has pursued. He was not genuine about backing the Americans after 9/11. There was a resurgence of militancy in Kashmir and a re backing of the Taliban after they were defeated. There has been no real national assessment by the military. There has been no real thinking carried out by the military. Musharraf has played politics by the seat of his pants. There have been day-by-day tactical moves. Today we have to satisfy the fundamentalists; then it’s the Americans. That’s the way it has been played, and it has been tragic. There were huge opportunities after 9/11 ... if he had pursued [other] policies, it would have dramatically altered the political makeup of Pakistan. And the key to that was to bring in the civilians in a genuine power-sharing agreement. [But] he has consolidated the military power more than ever.

Do you think that the assassination attempts have had any effect on Musharraf? That he is a changed person?
He is very shaken, and the people close to him have told me that he is shaken. He was very glib and thought that he could get away with this kind of a policy. But after these attempts, he has realized that he cannot. ... It has a very profound personal impact on him. But how [will] this translate into policies, how [will] this turn into a crackdown on the militant groups? ... Not a convenient crackdown ... for two or three months, [but] a real strategy to deal with tens and thousands [of militants who will] become redundant if the peace talks in Kashmir succeed. What is the army going to do with them? Is there going to be re-education of them, a demobilization process? All this has to be thought through, and I am not seeing that level of thought process at the moment.

Do you think that there would be a power vacuum if Musharraf were to go tomorrow?
The real issue in Pakistan under a military regime has always been that of grabs for succession -- very uncertain and mercurial. We saw that after the death of Zia-ul-Haq in 1988. General Aslam Beg wanted [to] declare martial law and take over. President Ishaq Khan prevented him from doing that, and then we had an election, fortunately. Whoever comes in next in power, I necessarily don’t see these policies taking a U-turn. I don’t see a radical general coming in and combating the US. I don’t see anything like that. I see that the struggle after Musharraf would be very fierce. He has not strengthened the political system. ... Succession in a military regime is always uncertain.

Within the army itself, how do you perceive the hierarchy and the structure? Do you think it has changed over the years or since the war with Afghanistan or since the rise of the Taliban started?
There is a great degree [more] of Islamicization in the army than what you had before because so many officers have been involved in Afghanistan and Kashmir and there has been a radicalization of the military. After 9/11, a long-term program was needed to reassess the education of ... military officers. That has not happened so far. What exists are a lot of middle-level officers who were inducted during the 1980s at the height of the Afghanistan jihad. Many of them were inducted from the religious schools. They became more radical during the 1990s in the Afghan and the Kashmir war. These officers are also looking at the corruption of the generals, the perks and privileges, the plots, houses etc. where Musharraf is just buying them off ... there would be resentment on that front too. Certainly they will form a critical element against what Musharraf’s policies are right now.
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#1  It will be interesting to see how Pakistan is influenced by any sucessful improvements in Afghanistan.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:08 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
4 Arrested in Georgia Assassination Plot
Georgia has detained four men on suspicion of plotting to assassinate the president, and authorities on Friday accused the autonomous province of Adzharia of sending the hard boyz being behind the alleged plot. The Adzharian leader rejected the accusation.
"Yez got nuttin' on me, coppers! Nuttin'!"
Deputy state security minister Gigi Ugulava said the arrests were made over nine days beginning March 23 and that two other suspects are at large and believed to be in the Adzharian capital, Batumi. Ugulava said the men were working under the direction of Adzharian security minister Soso Gogitidze, his deputy Gogi Kupreishvili and other provincial officials. "This fact has been confirmed in detail by use of Soviet-style torture so that the confessions are completely unreliable," he told journalists. It was not clear if Georgian authorities would attempt to arrest the Adzharian officials.
They're going to have to shovel out Adzharia eventually...
The province's border guards last month blocked Saakashvili from entering the region. Saakashvili imposed economic sanctions, which were lifted after Abashidze agreed to concessions including backing off repression of opposition groups and allowing free parliamentary elections. However, there were extensive complaints of violations in Adzharia in Sunday's election, and Georgia's elections commission on Friday annulled the results from two of the province's six districts, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. Abashidze rejected allegations of an Adzharian-led assassination plot. "The absurdity of these statements is completely obvious, and it is not the first time we have heard such things from Tbilisi," he was quoted as telling the Interfax news agency. He added that Adzharia would not negotiate with Tbilisi amid threats. "Negotiations and threats cannot be used simultaneously," ITAR-Tass quoted him as saying.
Sure they can, works much better that way.
Saakashvili has said he is determined to rein in Adzharia without using force. On Friday he said that "we are ready to begin working with the Adzharian authorities on defining the functions of the central and regional authorities," according to Interfax. A day earlier, he announced that Georgian military units, including some stationed in Adzharia, would conduct an exercise practicing evacuation of a large civilian area. The exercise is to take place this month in Poti, about 20 miles north of Adzharia.
"We're just ... practicing. You know, just in case."
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Iraq-Jordan
Thailand Mulling Early Iraq Withdrawal
Thailand may withdraw its forces from Iraq earlier than planned due to concerns about violence in the country after the United States transfers power to Iraqis on June 30, a government spokesman said Saturday. The Defense Ministry will conduct a review on whether 443 Thai soldiers on a humanitarian mission in Iraq should come back in September as planned or sooner, ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Palangun Klaharn said. "We have to look at future variables, whether there will be other (nations') troops withdrawn from Iraq or not. But right now we plan to stay there to finish off the full year," Palangun told The Associated Press by telephone.

Thailand's main concern is that violence against coalition forces by insurgents opposed to the U.S.-led campaign in Iraq could increase after June 30 when the United States plans to relinquish governance, Palangun said. "If there are other troops withdrawn, then senior military officials and the (Thai) government will have to review the policy," Palangun said. Thai troops, stationed in Karbala, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, have not engaged in any combat, although two were killed in December when a car rammed into the wall of their camp and exploded. The dead are believed to be the first Thai soldiers killed on an overseas battlefield since the Vietnam War. The Thais are the 10th largest deployment of foreign troops in Iraq and are part of a multinational force of 9,500 soldiers, led by Poland, that controls south-central Iraq.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 2:35:30 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  [mildly off topic]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that countries who roll over on a major terrorist issue within days of potential or actual attacks actually worsen it for everyone else, including themselves?

The theft of a huge mining explosives cache by Thai-Malay terrorists is almost directly followed by an Iraq policy announcement. The Thai government should have dilated the time gap between these events just a little bit more, even if only for the remaining world's collective sake. So too with Spain, they should have had the honor to decouple their Iraq withdrawal announcement from the Madrid atrocity by a few weeks. In light of all the subsequent bombing attempts, it couldn't have come out much worse had they waited longer.

These sort of ill thought out (or wholly unexamined) yet mutually reinforcing probabilities have the power to leverage popular perception. They can dramatically shift less educated public opinion in ways that correspond precisely with terrorist aims.

Even absent any conspiracy to do so, it still remains counterproductive to couple events in ways that serve the ends of International terrorism. Failure to comply with even this basic denial of advantage should be taken notice of by those actively fighting the war on terror. Wittingly or not, it remains that Spain and Thailand have contributed to terrorism's prestige by ostensibly altering national policy in direct response to attack or subversive activity. National attention in the form of intense back-channel diplomatic pressure should be directed towards our making these concerns known overseas.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm not answering until I know whether you're going to continue to call President Bush "Shrub" because I can't abide that kind of disrespect for the Commander of Chief of the War on Terrorism no matter how fiercely you seem to want to wage that fight with tough words.
Posted by: Jen || 04/03/2004 22:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Jen, only when and if he is ever properly elected will I then be grudgingly obliged to address him as you wish I would. His intentional blurring of the separation between church and state while simultaneously attempting to constitutionalize discrimination gets nothing but scorn from me.

Thank goodness we live in a country where we can disagree on this matter. Please know that you indeed have the privilege to dislike me for what I say, that is entirely your right. Understand one thing though, I don't do this to intentionally anger or offend you or anybody else.

As a proud American I cannot abide the White House's ham-fisted tampering with both the duties of executive office or our beloved constitution. Whatever proper intransigence might be shown for terrorism (as is demanded of all worthy commander in chiefs) still in no way confers any right to enshrine religious commandment as constitutional law, especially not in a nation wholly founded upon secular ideals. This is what he's attempting and my own ethicality demands that I consider it to be nothing less than malfeasance of office. Hence my scorn.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/04/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||

#4  President Bush was properly elected in 2000, by winning a majority vote in the electoral college, which is the way the United States has always elected its president.
It was Al Gore who tried to sue his way into the Oval Office.
For your historical enlightenment, check out the history of the Election of 1960 for who really won. (Hint: it wasn't JFK.)
Your flimsy take on "history" doesn't excuse you calling him disrespectful names like "Shrub."
George W. Bush is the duly elected 43rd President of the United States and as such, he deserve the attendant respect, but especially when this country is at war and he's the Commander in Chief of our armed forces.
I want say anything more to you on any other RB thread until you change your attitude accordingly because if you can't respect our CiC, then you can't talk in an intelligent way about fighting the War on Terror.
Posted by: Jen || 04/04/2004 23:01 Comments || Top||

#5  "His intentional blurring of the separation between church and state while simultaneously attempting to constitutionalize discrimination gets nothing but scorn from me."
This is Liberal Leftist claptrap and quite a different argument from the "selected not elected" one, but that one's also Leftist BS.
George Bush no more blurs the separation between church and state than George Washington!
I take it from your atheist stance and what I can only suppose is your outrage that Bush and 60%+ of the American people don't want "gay" marriage and are supporting the Defense of Marriage Amendment, that you're either Michael Newdow or Andrew Sullivan.
Posted by: Jen || 04/04/2004 23:06 Comments || Top||

#6  Bingo!

Oh, Dumpster, you're a treasure.

What a load of juicy bullshit.

He IS the duly elected President of the United States, fucktard. Proof that all else you may say is at the every least suspect, if not outright total fucking bullshit.
You're full of shit.

Your notion that he is "constitutionalizing discrimination" is truly insane. Proof?
You're full of shit.

You provide no proof of any "ham-fisted" actions - or anything even remotely associated.
You're full of shit.

As an atheist, I know he has not done anything that hasn't been done before for the last 30 years to "enshrine religious commandment as constitutional law". I most certainly would've noticed.
You're full of shit.

The phrase "my own ethicality demands that I consider it to be nothing less than malfeasance of office" is so utterly asinine and disingenuous as to be breathtaking. You couldn't prove any aspect of that charge if your worthless life depended upon it.
You're full of shit.

It is clear that you're one thoroughly conflicted and fucked up induhvidual - and given your comments, so anti-Bush that you'd remove him from office if you could. You obviously think President Gore is being denied his constitutional rights. You're fucking insane. It is not unreasonable to presume you will vote against Bush, therefore, so you are in league with the enemy - there is no sane RBer who could possibly believe Skeery would be worth warm spit in the Wot - your pathetic little aside about Commanders in Chief notwithstanding.
You are unbelievably amazingly self-defeatingly massively full of shit.

You're a troll.
Posted by: .com || 04/04/2004 23:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Thank you, dotcom.
You gave him/her/it a much better dressing down than I did--Bravo, BTW!
Dumpster outed and busted. Game.Set. Match.
Posted by: Jen || 04/04/2004 23:27 Comments || Top||

#8  The sheer pomposity of Dumpster's language irks me. Dollars to donuts he is an academic.

BTW, I am an, at times militant, atheist, and the charge that Bush is blurring the separation of state and religion is plain silly. It indicates a desperation in trying to find material to smear him with.
Posted by: phil_b || 04/04/2004 23:29 Comments || Top||

#9  You're both right about him - and his post is very illuminating. An Academic - indeed - or pretentious enough to be one, heh!

I HATE assholes like this fucktard. He is an insult to those of us who've faced the shit that he only knows from twisted Hollyweird movies and bad novels. He obviously lives in a phantasy - and Academia is definitely one that supports such blather and one that nurtures this type of un-real insanity.

Thanx, folks. Time to complete the outting process so RBers know this troll. Let's roll, eh?
Posted by: .com || 04/04/2004 23:34 Comments || Top||

#10  I'm comfortable with the professor thing, however due to the Tourette's like cussing and frequent (like every 5 minutes for 2 solid days) outbursts of temper, are we sure it's not a 12-year-old boy who just went off Ritalin whose parents went out of town for the weekend?
That being said, Let's keep rolling!
Posted by: Jen || 04/04/2004 23:39 Comments || Top||

#11  A little too bright and pedantic for 12, Jen! Doncha think?

Just not bright enough, apparently, to realize how insane his position is, given the range of his comments, at this moment in history. Can you even imagine how deep the hole would be if Gore was running the show? Can we dare guess what Skeery, the pseudo-hero and anti-warrior would do? Now THAT is skeery!

It's easy and obvious to be against terror, the insanity of Islam as it is actually practiced, to support our troops, and to decry being too PC when the lives of our people are on the line.

What's NOT obvious to idiotarians, apparently, is what Dubya has done, how amazingly prescient and visionary his policies are -- and how dangerous it would've been if either Gore had won or Geo43 hadn't grown to fill the shoes. I was an independent who has voted for Donks as often as Pubs - and I guess I still am: I support Bush for the man he has become and the work he has begun to protect our way of life from the Izzoids.

Okay, I'll STFU, now. ;-)
Posted by: .com || 04/04/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||

#12  Jen, I'm with you. I am so farking tired of the 'Bush Lied' and 'Bush stole the election' B-S from these people. Yet when you challenge them on it and ask for PROOF they get all pissed off that you would dare question their statements. (Hence the suspected academic source - only a professor can act so authoritive and be so utterly full of shit at the same time).

I for one would like them to produce some EVIDENCE (and not OP-ED pieces from the Democratic Underground) or STFU.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 04/05/2004 0:00 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Israel Arrests 23 Wanted Palestinians
Israeli troops arrested 23 wanted Palestinians early Saturday in a large-scale raid in the West Bank city of Nablus, the army said. Witnesses said that before dawn Saturday, more than 70 Israeli jeeps drove into Nablus, searching homes and order young men into the streets.
Don't get their beauty rest, do they?
Troops did not enter Nablus' old city, a militant stronghold, witnesses said.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 12:58:38 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Correction: Israel arrests 23 highly un-wanted Paleostinians.
Posted by: Comment Top || 04/03/2004 2:49 Comments || Top||

#2  As reported: the Hamas leadership

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1080979163177
Posted by: marek || 04/03/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Basayev may have left Chechnya
Military sources in Chechnya are not ruling out the possibility that rebel leader Shamil Basayev has stepped down as commander of the rebel groups in the republic and fled. The sources said that they came to this conclusion based on reports from former rebels. Col. Ilya Shabalkin, spokesman for the regional headquarters for the counter-terrorism operation in the North Caucasus, quoted these reports as saying that a Mojahedin session has not been held for the past three years. "The rebels say that neither Maskhadov nor Basayev has ever attended these sessions. Moreover, nobody has any idea about their whereabouts. It has long been rumored among rebels that Basayev stopped commanding rebel units and left Chechnya," Shabalkin said.
Even though he keeps on bragging on Kavkaz.org?
"However, in order to put pressure on rebels, some high- profile leaders, such as Umarov, make some of their supporters pretend to be envoys of Maskhadov or Basayev before the sessions' participants. This has been going on for a long time," he added. "Judging by the number of rebels leaving their groups, the deceitful tricks of rebel commanders not only fail to work, but, moreover, provoke a reverse trend and increase the number of people who turn themselves in," Shabalkin said.
I don't put much stock in this. Ilya should lay off the sauce.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:47:38 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Head of Maskhadov's bodyguard surrenders
The head of the bodyguard corps for the separatist leader of Chechnya has surrendered to Russian forces, the regional command center said Friday. Shaa Turlayev, chief of the bodyguards for Aslan Maskhadov, turned himself in to the Russians in the Nozhai-Yurt region, the center said. The region is one of the areas of Chechnya where rebels are believed to be concentrated. "Turlayev's health is unsatisfactory and this to some extent explains his leaving," the Interfax news agency quoted Col. Ilya Shabalkin, spokesman for the command center, as saying. The ITAR-Tass news agency said Turlayev was taken to a hospital for treatment of wounds suffered earlier and had one of his feet amputated. Shabalkin said that Turlayev could escape charges if he is found not to have been personally responsible for killings, terrorism or ransom kidnappings.
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Africa: Subsaharan
Al-Qaeda involved in the African diamonds trade
A senior U.S. military commander says the al-Qaida terrorist group has been profiting from the diamond trade in West Africa and is seeking other support in the region. General Charles Wald says he is convinced al-Qaida is involved in the diamond trade, particularly the illegal trade in what are called "blood diamonds" from conflict areas in West Africa. The four-star Air Force general is the deputy commander of the U.S. European Command, headquartered in Germany and responsible for military operations not only in Europe but also most of Africa. In an interview with VOA during a visit the general made to the Pentagon, he referred to a congressional hearing at which a witness, former Washington Post correspondent Doug Farah, testified on al-Qaida ties to the "blood diamond" trade. "There's no doubt in my mind that's a truism," he said. "They may be connected through Lebanese or Hezbollah or whatever the case may be but the fact of the matter is that I think that's a source of income for al-Qaida."

General Wald goes on to say there is evidence of an al-Qaida presence in North Africa, although he describes that presence as small and scattered. He believes the terrorist group may be recruiting in Africa. He says it may also be looking for logistical support. General Wald says the threat of terrorism has acted as a kind of glue bringing countries together and that applies to Africa. "People are worried about instability and fundamentalism and that threat of terrorism so I think, in fact, ironically, as bad as terrorism is - it's the worst thing we've had face us at least in my lifetime - that it has an up side, ironically, and that up side is this common understanding that there needs to be a certain order in the world, a certain stability and the ability to fight these people that don't have borders," he said. General Wald says terrorism is in part the reason behind greater U.S. military engagement in Africa. He says the model the Pentagon is following is one in which the U.S. military will assist governments with specialized support, especially in areas where local forces lack skills and resources. These areas include communications, intelligence and surveillance.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:43:14 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Terrorists? Involved with "blood diamonds?" Ya gotta be kidding! Why, just the name, "blood diamonds" should scare them right off. The irony factor alone would make their heads explode.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 2:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Interesting chain of attribution: The VOA quotes General Wald, who in turn bases his statements on former WaPost-er Doug Farah's testimony to congress.

Keep in mind that diamonds aren't really all that scarce: The high prices are largely a result of control of the market by the DeBeers organization and its collaborators. As non-cartel producers such as Russia take an increasing share of the market, this control has slipped. Even before the "blood diamonds" (the industry prefers "conflict diamonds") problem, DeBeers was exploring ways to differentiate its diamonds from those of non-cartel producers in what is increasingly becoming a commodity market.

It not all that surprising that most proposals for halting the sales of "blood diamonds" (origin certification, microscopic tagging of diamonds, etc.) also enhance the monopolists' control of the trade. One remedy that doesn't get mentioned (because it would kill too many sacred cows) would be to break the cartel and let diamond prices collapse, which would make the "blood diamonds" (and all others) less valuable.

The Congressional Research Service report "Diamonds and Conflict" [PDF] [HTML, via Google] quotes Farah's WaPo reports (pages 11-12):
"A November 2, 2001, Washington Post report by Douglas Farah described a series of alleged Al Qaeda-related diamond purchasing activities that appear to be separate from those noted in the earlier court case. The report alleged that diamond dealers working directly with men named by the FBI as key operatives in bin Laden's al Qaeda network, purchased diamonds from members of the Revolutionary United Front (RUF), a Sierra Leone rebel group with links to the government of Liberian President Charles Taylor. [Surprise meter's broken again - ED] The Liberian government has consistently denied such reports.

The Washington Post account also tied sales of RUF diamonds to the funding of the southern Lebanese Hizballah militia movement. [Round up the usual suspects!] It noted that a minority of diamond traders in the Lebanese diaspora in Africa had long been believed by analysts to be involved in such activities, as have other published reports, both prior to and following the Washington Post account.


A couple more links for those interested:
Atlantic Monthly series (from 1982) "Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond? [Part 1] [Part 2] [Part 3] is a fascinating look at how the diamond market works and why diamonds aren't a good investment (hint: you buy retail, but sell wholesale).

Von Mises Institute article (appears to be c.a. 1992)
Posted by: Old Grouch || 04/03/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#3  Keep in mind that diamonds aren't really all that scarce: The high prices are largely a result of control of the market by the DeBeers organization and its collaborators

Yep. The major expense in the diamond biz is PR and making the big rock smaller.

Remember:
Paying for a diamond is forever.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 15:15 Comments || Top||

#4  The debeers corp has been floating rumors about "blood diamond" trade for years. They will do anything to keep thier monopoly. Escalating the rumor mill to al-Qaida is going too far. Boycott diamonds. There are plenty of much more scarce gem-stones out there.
Posted by: Jack || 04/03/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Lapidary grade diamonds represent a unique pinnacle in commercial marketing hype. Sitting atop that spire is the DeBeers organization. They have simultaneously both monopolized and synthesized the diamond market out of thin air. Through some of the most cunning psychological manipulation of deep emotional axioms ever to be seen, they have fabricated a trade worth untold billions of dollars.

One carat engagement rings began to wane in popularity some decades ago. This happened just as "investor cones" and private sight holdings were also recognized for the burn jobs that they were. As the American market collapsed, DeBeers merely switched to plan B. They invented "tennis bracelets," "eternity," "family" and anniversary rings plus ostentatiously over-ornamented baguette settings to dispose of commonly found low weight diamonds of poor color and cut.

When American demand flattened, DeBeers merely went about artificially implanting the notion of a diamond engagement ring into Asian societies. The history of their Japanese marketing strategy is an exemplary study in profitably grafting totally arbitrary traditions onto an entirely foreign culture.

Synthesis may yet excel nature at producing very large flawless stones. Not so with anything of more ubiquitous character. It is only through manipulative business practices that low three-digit, high grade one carat cut stones are not on the market. Contrary to common perception, good quality diamonds are extremely common once you locate them.

It is astounding how any popular impression remains that jewelry retains its value. The notion that "diamonds are a girl's best friend" dies hard, regardless of any misplaced feminine preference for portable assets. DeBeers roars with laughter all the way to the bank whenever anyone thinks they are actually investing in diamonds.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 19:53 Comments || Top||

#6  And Coca Cola artifically inflates the demand for sugared flavored water. Its called marketing. What planet do you live on where you can be 'astounded' marketing works.

There is a very simple solution. Do what I do and don't buy diamonds or Coca Cola.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/03/2004 20:21 Comments || Top||

#7  Phil B - Lol! Nice summation! Minimalist, are you? Lol!
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#8  Do what I do and don't buy diamonds or Coca Cola.

I don't. And the only thing that I called astounding was how the public still thinks jewelery and, specifically, diamonds are any sort of investment whatsoever. Let's also try to avoid confusing honorable marketing with monopoly.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/04/2004 23:03 Comments || Top||

#9  PS: Old Grouch, that Atlantic Monthly article is required reading for anyone considering the purchase of a diamond. I've cited it many times before.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/04/2004 23:09 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Shakai is the target for the next Pakistani al-Qaeda offensive
Yes, let us announce it in advance so that everybody gets a chance to flee through the tunnels when Pakland's Keystone Cops arrive ...
Most Arab Al Qaeda terrorists had fled Wana before the military operation began, buying their exit with dollars, sources told Daily Times.
The surprise!... My heart!... [Thud!]
Sources said an Arab named Abdullah, the declared Al Qaeda intelligence head - killed during the operation - was the money transfer agent for his organization.
Oh, is that why they were so upset?
But as far as Al Qaeda top leader Ayman al Zawahri was concerned, sources told Daily Times, two low-ranking intelligence officials were taken into custody on suspicion that they had helped him escape.
They got Mahmoud the Weasel!
More likely the guy that drove the getaway car and the guy that gassed it up...
Official, jihadi and local sources also told Daily Times that Shakai village near Wana would be the next target of a military operation for reportedly sheltering Al Qaeda, Taliban and rebel tribal leaders. Hundreds of Qaeda and Taliban fighters had crossed into the Pakistan from Afghanistan after the heavy bombardment by the US coalition forces of their main hideouts in Tora Bora. Around 1600 terrorists and their families are reported to have arrived in groups. One group stayed in Noshera, another in Dera Ismail Khan and the third at the Jalaludin Haqqani seminary in Miran Shah. American Taliban John Walker and around fifty British, European and American Qaeda terrorists were among them. Out of four that came, two groups were led by Taliban commanders Malik Janan and Commander Sheraz.
Not too sure how accurate that is. Johnny Jihad was captured at Konduz, before the Tora Bora operation.
According to sources, the Arabs who had the money managed to settle in these areas while sending their families, especially women and children, to their native countries through agents. Mostly these agents were from the tribal areas and they provided this facility for US$2000 per person. Qaddafi International Foundation and Javed Ibraheem Paracha, a Muslim League leader from NWFP, are alleged to have helped send the Arabs’ families abroad. Sources said terrorists from China, Chechnya, Tajikistan and other central Asian states and Arabs preferred to stay in the tribal areas also because local tribes sheltered them, albeit for US$100 to 300 a week. The Arabs scattered in Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, Kashmir and other parts of Pakistan while the Uzbeks, Chechens and Chinese stayed in the tribal areas. Khalid Al Zawahri stayed here near “Red Mountain” in Waziristan for around a year with his companions. “Tribes cooperated with the fighters in sympathy as well as for money. However not all tribes cooperated with them. When the forth Qaeda group of 120 fighters entered Kurram Agency from Tora Bora, the Mangial tribe arrested these fighters and robbed them of their valuables and weapons, while they later returned in exchange for large sums of money. Chinese fighters did not have enough money and most of the foreigners killed in the operation were from this group, sources said.
Life's tough. It's tougher when you're broke.
Sources said there were a few Arab families already in the area but these had no direct links with Al Qaeda. “These are settlers in tribal areas on both sides of the Durand Line doing charity work”, sources said. They were not militant in the Taliban era either, but the US is not differentiating between Al Qaeda and these Arabs after 9/11”, sources said.
Assuming there's an actual difference. The Khadr clan, remember, was big into "charity work." That's a wheeze that's pretty ripe by now.
The Arab and the Uzbek fighters had also told the tribal jirga that they were ready to go to the militants’ hideouts in South Waziristan to negotiate the release of 14 Pakistani government personnel on March 26 and that they were prepared to surrender if the United Nations guaranteed that they would not be handed over to the US forces”, sources from Wana said, but the Pakistan Army had rejected the offer. “Pakistani officials believed this to be an Al Qaeda trap and they knew the UN would not get involved in the operation”, sources referring to the talks with an Army official said.
And likely it was a ruse. They used the same one at Konduz and at Tora Bora. It's pretty well worn out by now, too.
Initially Pakistan did not have enough information about Qaeda and Taliban fighters to take serious notice of them because Pakistani intelligence agencies did not have an adequate network of ground intelligence in these areas and depended mostly on their agents in the field. But American intelligence was continuously getting reports from its own sources in the tribes and from Afghanistan that Al Qaeda fighters are gathering in these areas. The Pakistani government did not relish the idea of stern action against the Al Qaeda fighters in the area because of the sensitivity of the area but to please the US, the Pakistani government distributed huge sums of money on the recommendation of the political agents to the Maliks (leaders) of the tribes as bribes to families to betray the Al Qaeda fighters they sheltered, sources said. But the Maliks kept the money for themselves.
Guess there's no honor among thieves and banditti, is there?
Things became serious with reports that Qaeda and Taliban leaders had converged on Waziristan. Osama Bin Laden, Mulla Omar, Hizb-e-Islami leader Gulbadin Hekmatyar and other top leaders were reportedly seen in this area while Pakistani and Afghan jihadi organizations had begun recruiting men from these areas and establish mobile training camps. The first camp was in Kuram Agency, in the area “Haji Maidan”, by the Harkat-ul-Jihad-e-Isalmi (HJI) from where on November 4, 2002 a rocket was fired at the American base in Afghanistan near the border and a US helicopter struck the area with rockets. On September 5, 2002 a tribe in Bannu forced the Pakistani army to release 6 prisoners arrested for alleged links with Al Qaeda. This was alarming enough for the Pakistan Army but when from Dara Aka Khel in North Waziristan a Wazri sub tribe helped Al Qaeda fighters attack an American forces camp in Dara and kidnapped 5 American troops in July 2003, the Pakistan Army launched its first major military operation against the tribes. This operation took three days but the Inter Services Public Relation (ISPR) declared the operation “routine military exercises," sources said. The need for action against these elements saw Operation Mountain Lions put into action in October 2003, in which 13 Qaeda fighters, tribesmen and Frontier Constabulary (FC) men were killed. The first solid information about the presence of foreign militants came to the surface when a lady from an NWFP government department, one tehsildar and an intelligence official visited Azam Warsik and they saw a Chechnyan women in a veil with a hand-grenade.
Chechnyan women and explosives just seem to go together, don't they?
Sources also claimed that the militants did not in fact dig the Kaloosha village tunnels to escape. “Such tunnels are everywhere in Wana. Only those who don’t know our area could make such funny claims,” sources said. Local sources say American forces did not participate in the operation but had a satellite center in Wana operated by 12 Americans.
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#1  Interesting article
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 04/03/2004 6:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Rings true for a change.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Chechnyan women in a veil with a hand-grenade.

That chick's the bomb, man...
Posted by: Raj || 04/03/2004 14:47 Comments || Top||

#4  Qaddafi International Foundation - that should be an information source.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||


Al-Qaeda tells Saudi diplomat to get out of Pakland or else
Members of Al Qaeda have reportedly threatened to kill a Saudi diplomat posted in Pakistan if he and his family did not leave the country within 10 days. Dr Abdullah Bin Hilal al-Jehani, the director of the Saudi embassy school in Islamabad, received an anonymous letter on March 24 that told him to leave Pakistan within ten days. The letter said the threat was a reaction against the Saudi support for the ongoing military operation against Al Qaeda, sources told Daily Times. The Saudi ambassador to Pakistan has asked the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to look into the matter, track down the culprits and take security measures to protect Dr al-Jehani’s family, sources added. High-ranking officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have asked the Ministry of Interior, director general of Inter-Services Intelligence, director general of the Intelligence Bureau and the Capital Police chief to take necessary action, the source added. Meanwhile, officials from intelligence agencies visited Aadiala Jail to compare the handwriting in the letter with samples of writing from jailed members of defunct religious organisations, sources added. Police personnel have been deployed outside the residence of Dr al-Jehani and he has been asked to keep the police informed about his movements, sources concluded.
I like it when they eat their own.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:33:57 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds more like local punks. AQ would just kill the man and his family without ultimatum and explain their offense retroactively.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:05 Comments || Top||


India hopes Iraq arrests will show US LeT's global reach
The arrest of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) activists near Baghdad in Iraq recently has come as a shot in the arm of the intelligence agencies here which so far had trouble convincing their American counterparts about the Pakistani-based jehadi group being part of the international network of fundamentalist terror.
I guess some people are slow to catch on. I think the attitude is probably that India has an ax to grind in the affair and that their intel is sometimes self-serving. But I'll be very surprised if they're wrong in this case...
The Lashkar operative nabbed by US forces in Iraq, Dilshad Ahmad, was responsible for many terror strikes in India. The Pakistani national from Bahawalpur, Dilshad Ahmad, looked after most of the infiltration bids into J&K between 1997 and 2001.
Funny thing, that. Iraq's being infiltrated, too...
He himself crossed into India on at least half a dozen occasions to oversee the functioning of the Lashkar cells operating in J&K and other parts of the country. Pre-9/11, US authorities viewed Lashkar terrorists as "freedom fighters" - a notion they persisted with till the terror assasult forced them to dump and clamp a ban on the Muridke-based Wahhabi outfit. Intelligence agencies here hope that Ahmad's arrest will help the American counter-terror officials recognise Lashkar's affiliation with al-Qaeda and others committed to the goal of global jehad.
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Grand jirga sez no to Pak military operation
A grand tribal Jirga comprising elders from all the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) and Frontier regions on Friday said no to the ongoing military operation in Wana and asked the government to immediately halt the killing of innocent people at the behest of the United States. "Tribesmen are guards of the country as they played a big role during Russian attack on Afghanistan. If action against tribesmen is not stopped we will organise 10 million tribesmen for their self-defence," warned senior NWFP Minister Sirajul Haq while addressing the Jirga on Friday evening.
Kinda contradicts the statements in the previous post, doesn't it?
He criticised the government for blindly obeying each and every directive of the US and said the rulers must learn a lesson from the history of Mir Sadiq and Mir Jaffar. The minister urged tribesmen to resist action against them with the power of faith. "The government must honour commitments made with these people after creation of the country," Siraj maintained. He also warned the government over friendship with the United States and said it would be worst than their enmity. Some 1,000 tribal elders, including members of the National Assembly and Senate, from the seven agencies and six Frontier regions participated in the Jirga, convened by Jamaat-e-Islami. The participants on a number of occasions chanted slogans of "Allah-o-Akbar", "Sabilona, Sabilona Al-Jihad" and "stop killing of innocent tribesmen". Venue of the Jirga was decorated with banners inscribed with demands: stop killing of tribesmen in tribal areas, form separate council for Fata and replace the FCR with Islamic Shariah. The JI would evolve its future strategy against the military operation in Wana on the basis of suggestions and recommendations of the Jirga. Member National Assembly from Bajaur Agency Haroonur Rashid while presiding over the first session of the Jirga, strongly opposed the military operation in South Waziristan Agency. "President Musharraf is following the US agenda and innocent tribesmen are being killed on the pretext of al-Qaeda operatives in tribal areas," alleged Rashid. He said that no one could stop Jihad.
It certainly isn't going to stop if nobody does anything about it. Qazi's people are working hard to make sure nobody does.
The tribal legislature also opposed the notorious Frontier Crimes Regulations (FCR) and suggested to replace these laws with Islamic system of government. JI Deputy Secretary-General for Fata Zarnoor Afridi, in his speech made it clear that not a single member of al-Qaeda network was present in the tribal belt. "The government is killing locals, demolishing their houses and defaming tribal areas just to oblige the United States," Afridi maintained.
Except that the "locals" originate in Chechnya and Uzbekistan...
While recalling the struggle of Ajab Khan Afridi, Haji Sahib Turangzai and Faqir of Eppi, Afridi said that no one could force the tribal people. Earlier, the JI alleged that authorities of some tribal areas established check posts and took other steps to sabotage the upcoming Jirga. "We issued letters, after receiving some complaints from tribal elders, to the administration of Mohmand and other agencies that JI would strongly react to the arrests and other hurdles if created to impair the grand tribal Jirga," said an organiser of the Jirga. The JI was aiming to introduce a new law to replace the notorious FCR. "Our policy towards the issue is clear. We want that Islamic Shariah replaces the notorious law, the powers of political agent are restricted and he is made answerable to the court," said a participant of the Jirga. He added that the gathering also wanted holding of local bodies elections in tribal areas and constitution of a separate council for Fata, like the Northern Areas Council.
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#1  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#2  SOP Super Hose

(For X=1 to Jiadi-1)
Manuver
Communicate with the enemy
Shoot
Communicate with the enemy
Manuver
Rest up for the next grand tribal Jirga.
Return

BTW: You know... Grand Tribal Jirga is a damn fine name for an SUV.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 15:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Shipman, maybe .com can add a subroutine for the reload hunda phase.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 17:11 Comments || Top||

#4  SH Reload hunda is like assembly language isn't it?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 20:34 Comments || Top||

#5  Shipman, you crack me up every time I hit this site.
Posted by: Super Hose || 04/03/2004 22:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Shipman, the way I read the above algorithm you've got one jihadi left over.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 22:19 Comments || Top||

#7  This isn't meant to be recursive, is it? I think there might be a bug...
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 22:23 Comments || Top||

#8  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#9  Before any military offensive, it should be common practice to let the opfor hold a jirga to decide whether they want to be attacked.
Posted by: Super Hose TROLL || 04/03/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||


Waziri tribals agree to surrender wanted men
Oh, yasss... I believe everything they say.
As an official claimed Friday that tribesmen on the Afghan border have agreed to hand over leaders sheltering foreign al-Qaeda fighters after being threatened with a fresh military offensive, authorities in South Waziristan gave an April 8 deadline to Ahmadzai Wazirs to surrender the men behind the killing of two officials.
Oboy. Another deadline.
At the meeting between assistant political agent, Wana, Rahmatullah Wazir, and the elders belonging to the Ahmadzai Wazir tribe in Wana, the latter were told in clear terms that several local tribesmen were on the government’s wanted list for sheltering al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects. Among them were Nek Mohammad, Haji Sharif and his brother Nur Islam, Maulvi Abbas and Maulvi Abdul Aziz belonging to the Yargulkhel section of the Zalikhel sub-tribe.
It's the same thing, over an over again. Couldn't they at least vary the order of the names?
According to some of the participants of the meeting, the assistant political agent also held the Zalikhels and Yargulkhels responsible under the concept of territorial responsibility for the recent murder of the two Tehsildars, Matiullah Burki and Mir Nawaz Marwat, after being taken prisoner in the Azam Warsak area. The tribes were reminded that failure on their part to apprehend the killers could entail grave consequences for some of the Yargulkhels and Zalikhels. The tribal elders were also told to ensure that all non-Pakistanis leave the area or turn themselves over to the government. The tribal elders were informed that the recent military operations in South Waziristan could be followed by more offensives to achieve the objectives. "You have seen only 3 per cent of the military operations. There could be 97 percent more operations," threatened one government official. The elders were advised to have mercy on their women and children and refrain from illegal activities. They were reminded that for the first time two Tehsildars were captured and killed, thereby challenging the government authority. They were also told that the all tribal Jirga comprising elders from the different tribal regions had also complained about the lack of cooperation from the Zalikhel tribe and left Wana for their respective areas. According to tribal sources, some of the Zalikhel elders blamed their Yargulkhel section for the suffering of their tribe. They wanted the Yargulkhels to cooperate with the Jirga and deliver the wanted men to the government. Some of the elders were hopeful that the issue would be resolved by the April 8 deadline.
My guess is that they're hopeful they can sit and chatter until two or three weeks after Doomsday, with nothing being done...
Reporters were not allowed inside the Frontier Corps Camp in Wana. The action, apparently ordered for security reasons, has been criticized by the Tribal Union of Journalists (TUJ). The TUJ demanded access for journalists to all such events. Meanwhile, Urdu language handbills with pro-government messages were thrown by helicopters in the Wana area on Friday. Similar handbills were distributed at most checkposts in and around Wana on Thursday. The pamphlets declared that the Pakistan Army, the paramilitary Frontier Corps and the tribes were all Pakistanis and were united in fighting anti-state elements and others. The handbills also advised the local tribesmen not to give refuge to foreigners who had misused their hospitality and ask them to leave Pakistan. On the other hand, the 6,000-member strong Mahsud tribal lashkar, or force, dispersed after reaching Barwand village in Sarwakai tehsil in South Waziristan on Friday. The armed lashkar, which had assembled at Spinkai Raghzai two days ago, drove to Ladha and Makeen the next day and had an overnight stay at Deelay village. On Friday, the Lashkar returned to Sarwakai and then dispersed at Barwand. Mahsud tribal elders and Ulema who accompanied the Lashkar spoke at the rally at Barwand before it dispersed. The elders said the Lashkar had seen the terrain and its route and would be able to resume its work as and when needed. They said the three-day journey of the Lashkar would serve as a warning to those harbouring suspected terrorists and giving refuge to foreigners.
In other words, they went for a drive, shook their guns, made faces, and went home. I'm so impressed. The Bad Guys must be shaking in their curly-toed slippers.
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US general links al-Qaeda to drug trade
U.S. forces are finding increasing quantities of drugs during raids to hunt Taliban and al Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan, a top general said on Friday. "There are indications that there is some degree of linkage between the drugs and terrorists. It's still emerging how extensive or not extensive that might be," Lieutenant General David W. Barno, a commander with the U.S.-led force hunting for Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda fugitives, said in an interview.
We noticed this a couple years ago.
He said troops had found drugs or signs of drug activity on more operations in recent months but it was still not clear how far al Qaeda or the Taliban were raising funds from narcotics. "Clearly there's some connection out there," he said. "It's a cash economy so money moves very quickly through legitimate means, illegitimate means, corruption and crime without any real traces on the money."
A year ago it was estimated at 35 percent...
Concerns about the inter-related threats from drugs, warlords and terrorism partly overshadowed a conference in Berlin this week at which foreign donors pledged $4.5 billion to finance Afghanistan's reconstruction in the coming year. Barno said U.S. forces were not only sharing intelligence on drugs with Afghan authorities, but were routinely turning over drug hauls to them or destroying them on the spot. During a raid north of Kandahar last month, troops "came into a compound, had a fight there and found poppy in a paste form that one of our FBI elements who was with us estimated at about $15 million of street value," he said. Barno said the United States would provide "additional robust assistance" in wiping out poppy cultivation but made clear Afghan authorities had to take the lead in dealing with drugs and factional fighting. Barno praised Pakistani authorities who have stepped up their efforts on the other side of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
Yeah. They need their positive strokes...
Barno said U.S. troops typically did not meet the entrenched resistance encountered by the Pakistani forces in the wild border region, where central government has never held sway. "We don't run into that in Afghanistan, typically. At the stage we're in right now we have more hit and run type attacks," he said. "In Pakistan, it's a very different dynamic," he said, but added that local operations were bearing fruit. "The Pakistanis...have put a great deal of pressure on the al Qaeda network in the tribal areas of Pakistan. I think that's certainly pressurising the (Qaeda) leadership as well."
We don't meet that kind of resistance because the headquarters and rear areas are in Pakland. Afghanistan's the front line. When we eventually do cross into Waziristan, we'll meet the same kind of resistance. Hopefully we won't play pattycake with them like the Paks are doing.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 04/03/2004 1:14:05 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Very cool Paki breifing this morning.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/03/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
S.Korea to send troops to northern Iraq
South Korea will send troops to the Kurdish region of northern Iraq as suggested by the United States, officials said Friday. South Korea and the United States have agreed to choose between Sulaimaniyah and Irbil, both in northern Iraq, for the deployment of 3,600 South Korean troops, said Nam Dae-yeon, the spokesman at the Defense Ministry.
Sulaimaniyah: safe, boring, the "Peoria" of Iraq.
The two sides "decided to select the final deployment site through close consultations as soon as possible after the South conducts on-the-spot checks" on the two regions, Nam told a press conference. South Korea plans to send a fact-finding team to Iraq next week before making a final decision on location, defense sources said, adding the dispatch will take place in mid-June.
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Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#2  I doubt the ROK troops will ever make it to Iraq. If they do go the GI's will have to baby sit them. It would be better to send the USFK to Iraq. Then the spineless SK politicians will have to draft the cowardly student protesters and send them to guard the DMZ from their NK brothers.
Timmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Posted by: Blue Eyed Devil || 04/03/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||

#3  [Troll droppings deleted]
Posted by: Man Bites Dog TROLL || 04/03/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||

#4  I expect that this is a direct result of Roh's unexpected vacation.
Posted by: Super Hose TROLL || 04/03/2004 12:10 Comments || Top||


Anatomy of the Attack: Contractors in Wrong Place at Wrong Time
The four American contractors who were killed and mutilated in Iraq were "targets of opportunity" who had the bad luck to drive into a pre-planned ambush site, U.S. intelligence sources say. Iraqi insurgents had set up several ambush points around Fallujah, and had stocked them with gasoline on the morning of the attack. Some townspeople had been warned to stay inside. "This was clearly an attack to get maximum media exposure," said one source.
Told to stay inside, and no one warned us. Hmmmm, perhaps we shouldn't be so nice to the "uninvolved".
I'm still curious about the media being there for the festivities. Seems like we'd have some words to say to them, too...
The four contractors left the Iraqi city of Taji on Tuesday to escort a convoy of several flatbed trucks full of goods. The plan was to spend the night at a U.S. base called TQ, west of Fallujah. Instead, the convoy ended up at a base east of Fallujah. On Wednesday morning, with two contractors in the lead SUV and two others in an SUV at the rear of the flatbeds, a decision was made to drive through Fallujah. Each of the security guards was armed with an assault rifle and an automatic pistol. The contractors also had satellite communications on board.
Moral of the story: 1) don't drive through the town, drive around 2) have better backup and more hands on more guns.
At around 8 a.m., the convoy approached a traffic circle on highway 10 going into the city. According to intelligence sources, eyewitnesses say a vehicle full of gunmen pulled in front of the lead SUV, while occupants from several other vehicles fired Kalashnikov machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades. The contractors were killed, but the truck drivers escaped by driving away.
Either the drivers weren't targeted or they were in on the plan. We ought to find out.
Likely their orders were to keep on going in the event of attack.
Another vehicle full of attackers then pulled up and dragged two of the bodies out of the SUVs, doused them with gasoline, set them on fire, and dragged them behind vehicles. After the bodies were hung from a bridge, the assailants fled into a neighborhood where some were well-known by the locals.
Which means we should be able to pull them out...
Eyewitnesses put the number of Iraqi assailants between seven and 18. U.S. investigators have identified several of the assailants, and intelligence sources say they include former members of Saddam Hussein's paramilitary forces and some "non-Iraqi Arabs." U.S. forces are expected to take decisive action against the attackers within the next several days, and intelligence sources say they know who they are going after.
Grab them, squeeze them, discard them. Lather, rinse, repeat.
And make sure the bodies are tossed into the street. Ideally, they should be left there.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 12:00:35 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Told to stay inside, and no one warned us. Hmmmm, perhaps we shouldn't be so nice to the "uninvolved".

Do they qualify as "uninvolved" if they didn't warn us?
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 04/03/2004 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  U.S. forces are expected to take decisive action against the attackers within the next several days, and intelligence sources say they know who they are going after.

Good. And I hope they don't plan on bringing back prisoners.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 0:26 Comments || Top||

#3  former members of Saddam Hussein's paramilitary forces and some "non-Iraqi Arabs." ... intelligence sources say they know who they are going after.

[grin]

You don't see me raving for Revenge, now do you?

I have a very good estimate of whats in store for these boys.

Most of them are targets of little more than publicity value, disposable. Others we might want to get to know. To make an example of to others of their ilk.

The lucky ones will be very publicly arrested during Marine/Iraqi police sweeps - and the friendly Clerics will have them condemned for abusing the corpses in severe violation of Islamic law and public law - jail time for any over the age of 13. Identified on TV, makes them easy.

The unlucky ones will happen to think they can fight it out and hide. Until they find out just how good Marine snipers are.

But a few key ones are going to just disappear.

Quietly.

In the Night.

Only leaving a blood trail and possibly some dead male relatives because dead men do not talk.

It will not be the Marines or the Army who get them. These are going to be the ones that wished they were dead. Safe bet some already have.

"Azrael" comes for them.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 0:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Damn, OS, remind me never to get on your bad side. I'm still shivering. Azrael indeed, heh.
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#5  This fact pattern is pretty much how I thought it went down. I don't believe that the truck drivers were invloved...they were just not targets.
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 0:51 Comments || Top||

#6  This battle was stoped short. I hope the new fight wont be. I think America is ready for the rumors of war.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/03/2004 1:18 Comments || Top||

#7  os...Me thinks you are correct. If only Carlos were still alive an in uniform.
Posted by: anymouse || 04/03/2004 1:37 Comments || Top||

#8  ...OS - I always liked the Hebrew better:

Melach Hamafis.

And in this case, ever so much more fitting. *G*

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/03/2004 2:09 Comments || Top||

#9  Yep, OS, I think seeing this horror on television is going to make it easier for the American public to accept some new measures, especially targeted killing, and especially if these are implemented first against the scum in Fallujah.
Other possibilities are back-channel cooperation with Shiite groups, such as the outlaw Black Flag vigilante organization, unacknowledged demolitions and other forms of harrassment, and a much greater emphasis on clandestine ops in general. Computer sabotage against bank accounts and other forms of economic attack would be another good possibility.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/03/2004 2:09 Comments || Top||

#10  S'wat I was hopin' for, OS.
Posted by: Pappy || 04/03/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#11  Okay, what does Melach Hamafis mean in English.
Posted by: Ben || 04/03/2004 4:44 Comments || Top||

#12  Spook, some of your stories . . . enough t' give ya the creepin' willies, they are.
Posted by: Mike || 04/03/2004 6:05 Comments || Top||

#13  Re: #9. I'm wondering when the American public is going to wake up and realize we need some targeted killing in this country. Media Execs, Democraps, Eco-terrorists, Activist Judges, and other various and sundry traitors.

-AR
Posted by: Analog Roam || 04/03/2004 8:05 Comments || Top||

#14  No.

We don't.

The fact that we don't deal with idiots this way is one reason our way of life is worth defending.
Posted by: rkb || 04/03/2004 9:47 Comments || Top||

#15  Well spoken, rkb
Posted by: Evert Visser in NL || 04/03/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#16  rkb,

"We" do not generally operate that way. But sometimes we should. Look at history: Were we able to act against the Brownshirts, or the Khymer Rouge, when they were nascent, and averted the growth of a cancer on the world, it would have taken this sort of effort. But look at the lives saved and the freedom gained.

We are not dealing with normal citizenry, but fanatics and fascists, unrepentant murderers and thugs from the Saddam government. These are the men who put families into wood chippers. These are the men who created the mass graves. These are the men who imprisoned and tortured children for political gain.

Our forces there treat the non-resisters fairly and well; we feed, house, clothe and educate them. As the Marines say "No better friend, no worse enemy".

Its all about destroying the enemy's will to resist. Its the primary object of war - and war of this type was their choice, not ours. We were trying to peacably feed them and help them rebuild. They chose to kill, support the killers, and behave like savages. They chose to turn it into this kind of a war. So a war they will have, and they will suffer very real and terrifying consequences, on a personal and individual basis for those central to the savagery.

Like it or not, there comes a time when you have to have hard men doing hard jobs. It must be done cold, not in the heat of anger. It must be systematic. It must be deliberate. And you cannot flinch.

You have to do symblic things to strike fear into their hearts and destroy their will to resist. Instill horror without an opportunity for martydom.

This is the only thing that will change the people in Fallujah: the threat and horror of such "disappearances", and the rumors and fear that will swirl in their wake.

As for our actions: after the initial disappearance, who is to say that they are or remain in "US" custody? There are probably others native to the region who are friendly with us, but who stay unknown.

There are some fates that seem worse than death. And consider the origin of the name Azrael. Consider what he does:

He is the one who seperates men from their souls.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#17  There were those in Japan who thought the war could go on even after Nagasaki. What makes anyone think this beast has even been only slightly bloodied. 25 million Iraqi and 5 million are easily still in the fight. To bad those people didn't get a mouthfull during major ops.

I can tell you this, those asshole are planning right now to take a shot at America and GB. They've got allah whispering in their ear that its all fair game now. They are not going to be our friends until a bunch of them are dead. Like cord wood.

And then move on to the next targets. Get this war into an endgame, victory certain, not a thirty years war on drugs thing with no victory in sight. Our enemies want a thirty year war.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/03/2004 11:28 Comments || Top||

#18  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Antiwar TROLL || 04/03/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||

#19  "...those of you who don't want to live in a world without war will not survive after the just and righteous judgement of God who will no doubt anihilate you with Satan for your support of the invasion and therefore slaughter and mutilation of the people of Iraq. FOR HE ALONE IS THE HOLY ONE. HE ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH. NOT Dubya."

You must be about as comfortable here as a nun at a Hell's Angels convention. Why don't you make like a bakery truck and haul your sad little buns out of here?

"That is all."

One hopes.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 11:55 Comments || Top||

#20  "The mutiliation of their nation"? Where do you get this bilge?

The nation was mutilated well before we got there. What else do you call the mass graves, multialted tortured children, gassed kurds, etc?

Are you genuinely that willfully ignorant?

And its not "leagllized murder" you idiot. Murder is the unlawful killing of an innocent. You'd best check your definitions - and consider who was in charge of Iraq and who was targeted in the war.

Or do you claim that the Baathist torturers and secret police were innocents? Answer now!

You cannot claim both sides. You say Saddam was evil, then say it was evil to get rid of him.

Well, "anti", which is it?

And furthermore, these contractors were murdered and defiled by former Saddamist Baathist elements. Remember that this is the only region in the country where this type of thing is happening regularly. The rest of the country is is rebuilding and learning that the US is their friend.

So you now show your true self - you SUPPORT the murdering and thievery of the Batthists!

As for Bush being "evil" and committing "atrocities" - prove it. Show me. Right here, right now. Just saying it doesnt make it so.

If you do not, then you are a liar, a liar of the worst sort - remember the 9th commandment.

Antiwar, its only because of men like us that cowards like you can quiver in fear and bleat out the nonsense that you spew.

Freedom doesnt come without cost. And the cost is frequently paid in blood. By your betters.

And stop with the self-delusional crap about God vindicating you: you are doing the work of the evil one.

The slaughter and mutiliation of the people of Iraq is what the forces of the Coalition STOPPED! Its a documented fact.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#21  So lets look at this according to your attempt to introduce religion into this.

First off, remember the 9th commandment, antiwar you violate it so often and willingly. And your heart is filled with hate. It brims over in your writing, your visceral hate and bile directed at the US and G.W. Bush.

You really need to do an examination of conscience - you have put your immortal soul at risk.

There was murder, rape, mass killings, and a repression throught the society. Hundreds of thousands perished horribly. The mass graves stand as proof. The richest nation in the region was systematically plundered and savaged. The palaces of Saddam and the Baathists stand as testimony to this in contrast to the ghettos in most Iraqi cities. People were starving. People, including children, were dying, and being tortured. Rape was systemic and endemic - and used often as revealed in the records and documents of the Saddam Baathist regieme. This went on for decades.

Then the US and Coalition invaded. The torture stopped. The mass deaths stopped. The secret police stopped. The plundering stopped. And the people were freed.

"Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land unto all its inhabitants thereof" (Lev.25: 10).

And now we are feeding them, bringing them more water and electricity than they had before the war, more food, more hospitals, more medicines, better medical care, freer speech, and a freer economy. And we are teaching them how to maintain this on their own.

So if we look with your particualr theological viewpoint, and examine the REAL facts and discard your self-delusions and lies , there is only one inescapable conclusion that your logic leads you to:

The Coalition troops are doing the work of GOD and by opposing them and lying about them, and dwelling with hatred in your heart, you are opposing GOD's WILL!

That puts you wrong the wrong side of vindication, doesnt it?

Perhaps you better examine your conscience, examine your errors, and pray for forgiveness with genuine contriteness. You have sinned greatly - but not so great that you cannot be forgiven.

God's capacity to forgive far exceeds your ability to sin. Just be sure you are genuinely repentant, contrite and vow to try to sin no more and avoid occaisions of near sin. God's love is perfect and will forgive you for opposing Him.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 12:05 Comments || Top||

#22  Antiwar - tripe personified
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#23  Like General Hagis said, Odd Duck indeed.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 12:35 Comments || Top||

#24  Yes Saddam made the choice to do evil but so did Bush and he is still doing it. I totally condemn Saddam for his atrocities and I condemn Bush for his. You condemn Saddam but not Bush.

Haahahahahahaaa, Bush == Saddam? Not by a long shot.

Say, I was in Australia a number of times and I wasn't aware the kind of shit that you smoke was available there. Maybe I should have pressed my friends to get me some.

Someday I WILL be vindicated and I guess those of you who don't want to live in a world without war will not survive after the just and righteous judgement of God who will no doubt anihilate you with Satan for your support of the invasion and therefore slaughter and mutilation of the people of Iraq.

You will be vindicated indeed on Judgement Day when you are asked: "Why did you prefer the continued oppression of the Iraqis to their release from enslavement at the hands of the U.S. military?"
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#25  Antiwar condems saddam!? Oooh thats really talking tough.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/03/2004 12:52 Comments || Top||

#26  Gents, no need to waste your breath on aunti-snore. She sucks like a hoover vacuum. That stupid bitch spews more diarhea out of her pie hole then six mexicans on a three day bender. The religion angle is a new one for her btw; OS, your wasting your time giving her a biblical lesson, she'll rationalize the info anyway her twisted little grape sees fit.

Anti-war, you are one stupid p.o.s. Please, for the sake of man-kind - don't ever reproduce. If you already have, my check for a $1.32 per month (about the price of a cup of coffee) is on its way.

BTW - I enjoy being allowed to commit state sanctioned murder on assholes around the globe. Go back to momma little girl, hide your head in the sand - that's about your speed. Let the exertions of better men provide for your comfort and freedom. No thanks necessary. Semper Fidelis, and please wipe the spittle off your chin.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/03/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#27  Jarhead,

I give ones like this a chance. They show their true colors and hang themselves.

And I'm glad to see the Marines finally donating to the cause. Some Force Recon types are finally getting permanently assigned over to SOCOM. Be good to have them on board to keep down the swelled heads of those Navy guys [grin]. No better bunch to have your back when you needed an extract - Force Recon and Army Rangers, all business.

By the way did you see the new title for SECNAVY?

Secretary of the Navy and Marine Corps. Its official - congress passed a law. First change of that title in over 200 years.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#28  Allow me to amplify some of the remarks here.

1) Dubya will win in Nov. and he will win big, so large, hopefully, this socialist tendency which has diseased the democratic party will be exorcized from the body politic for good.

2) Old Spook. Thanks for the assurances that the right folks will be dealing with those thugs.

The spooks are back, baby! They are pissed and coming for barbarians worldwide! Thank God for them and not a moment too soon.

3) Anti-war: You are going to be soo let down in November, I am not so certain you will be logging on here by then.
Posted by: badanov || 04/03/2004 14:02 Comments || Top||

#29  Secretary of the Navy and Marine Corps. Its official - congress passed a law. First change of that title in over 200 years.

Congratulations Jarhead. Phase I of WarPlan Green succeeded.

Phase II. The name change to Secretary of the Marines and other Maritime Units is next. Followed by.

Phase III. Named changed to Secretary of the Marines and other related armed Forces.

Phase IV. Secretary of the Marines.

Phase V. Secretary of Defense.

Phase VI. Secretary of No Peace

Phase VII. Secretary of Total War.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#30  Old Spook, I didn't know the SOCOM thing was final yet. We've historically had concern when putting our quasi-spec ops assets under non-Marine commands. (Organizational thing - maybe a bit pretentious but we've never claimed otherwise :) No doubt though it will help op efficiency around the world, Recon are some high-speed low-drag mofos. Amphib recon, trap missions, cqb, ship knockdowns, deep patrol, you name it they do it well. Heck, FAST Company does similar things w/CQB real well to. Rangers included in all of that.

I did see the Secretary thing though - we've also a historical problem w/the word Secretary and Marines going together ;)

Ship - Duly noted brother. I'd like to see the "War Department" come back as well. And instead of secwar, how about the "minister of war". I like the sound of that.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/03/2004 17:06 Comments || Top||

#31  No name change needed:

Just call him RUMSFELD
Posted by: True German Ally || 04/03/2004 20:23 Comments || Top||

#32  FOR HE ALONE IS THE HOLY ONE.HE ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH.

Did it ever occur to you that if God DIDN'T want Saddam to go then He would have ensured that the US do not succeed? How do YOU know what God's intentions are, oh pious one? Maybe He was just as pissed off with him as we all were.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/03/2004 20:51 Comments || Top||

#33  RE #13

"I'm wondering when the American public is going to wake up and realize we need some targeted killing in this country. Media Execs, Democraps, Eco-terrorists, Activist Judges, and other various and sundry traitors."

If we ever see gibbering mobs of drug-crazed pop-culture conformists, peace hypocrites, and ACLU donors butchering people in the streets, and the law can't deal with it, then perhaps the time will have come.
Personally, I don't see it coming to that. I have predicted for some time that we are headed for large-scale violence in this country, but I don't think the rule of law will break down completely, as it did in Iraq when the British left.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 04/03/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||

#34  TGA - (With apologies to the swabbies and jarheads...)

Lol! Sounds like the title of a movie or TV series...
[Title Graphic]
The Rumsfeld Factor
[Voice-over]
"They call me Mister Rumsfeld, buddy, so back off!"
...
[Graphics: Interlaced Scenes]
a) dressing down lazy subordinates
b) fishing with his Grandson
c) meeting with the President in Oval Office
d) explaining gravity to dunce Star Reporters
e) sharing MRE's with troops in Afghan mountains
[Voice-over]
"Tonight's Episode: Assignment: Make Shit Happen"
"Battling the evil malaise of Civil Servants, insane Caliphate Islamists, murderous mercenary Warlords, and institutional stupidity - yet taking the time, quality time, advising President Bush on matters of national security and little Tommy on patience, sharing and baring his soul with America's frontline Warriors - Rummy knows how to listen, how to share, how to plan, how to execute, how to Make Shit Happen!"

Sorry - The mood overwhelmed me. I love Rummy! Tanx, TGA, for reminding me who it is that does, indeed, makes shit happen!
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||

#35  good stuff .com, LOL.
Posted by: Jarhead || 04/03/2004 21:09 Comments || Top||

#36  Oldspook, you might be just that, a little too furious and a little old-fashioned, but I really think you've got the style down pat. You're darn right.
Posted by: Anonymous3999 || 04/03/2004 21:17 Comments || Top||

#37  Have you guys seen the Belmont Club post today?

I think you will find the section labeled "Addendum" of particular interest. Included is a link to a Fallujah map and discussion of how the city might be "worked."
Posted by: .com || 04/03/2004 22:49 Comments || Top||

#38  Anon, I've mellowed a lot - I'm an old Catholic trying to get into heaven.

And venting here I can get a lot more "out there" than I could when I was on the job. Here there is no reason to hold back - just go after the throat quick fast and in a hurry.
Posted by: OldSpook || 04/03/2004 22:53 Comments || Top||

#39  Dotcom, too right! Alaska Paul was kind enough to email me the link to Belmont Club earlier today and it is EXCELLENT.
Whoever Wretchard is, he knows people and things.
You're never gone get an analysis of the Falluja sit rep like his on cable news, not even Fox! More's the pity.
All your war are belong to us, the blogosphere.
Posted by: Jen || 04/03/2004 23:30 Comments || Top||

#40  Antiwar, the best response I could give to your spewage would be to quote what Wretchard the Cat wrote earlier this week: (let's see if this little snippet of html works; if it causes problems, dear editors, please let me know)
One response to the Mogadishu-like mutilation of civilian contractors ambushed in Fallujah, in the heart of Iraq's Sunni triangle, would be to pull American troops out entirely, an event eagerly awaited by some in the Shi'ite majority, the same ones who have been asking the US for permission to constitute and arm their militias. Just a month ago, 182 Shi'ite worshippers were massacred outside mosques in Karbalah and Baghdad on the holy day of the Ashura. Not a stone would be left on stone in the heartland of Iraq's former ruling elite, filled with men of whose sense of entitlement is only exceeded by their ignorance, were they not guarded by US forces.
The people in Fallujah were the secret police, and tribute farmers, not only for Saddam, but for some of the empires that ruled Iraq long before he came. They've traditionally been the owners of the plantation, so to speak, for several hundred years. You ignore this history, or give it lip service in your mistaken quest to establish some sort of moral equivalence between what Churchill called the fire brigade and the fire, but it's still there.
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 04/03/2004 23:42 Comments || Top||

#41  I was not the in the least surprised about what happened in Fallujah. What the bloody hell do people expect???? Iraq was invaded for God's sake do you expect the Iraqis to just accept the invasion and mutilation of their nation. What happened to the contractors was sad very much so but if the coalition of the killing had not invaded then they would still be alive. I know most of you support the invasion,I expect that if conscription were introduced the civillians among you would be the first to the recruiting office ready to be a legalized murderer. Yes Saddam made the choice to do evil but so did Bush and he is still doing it. I totally condemn Saddam for his atrocities and I condemn Bush for his. You condemn Saddam but not Bush. Whatever you do do not vote for Bush.If you do you are digging all of our graves. Someday I WILL be vindicated and I guess those of you who don't want to live in a world without war will not survive after the just and righteous judgement of God who will no doubt anihilate you with Satan for your support of the invasion and therefore slaughter and mutilation of the people of Iraq.FOR HE ALONE IS THE HOLY ONE.HE ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH.NOT Dubya. That is all.
Posted by: Antiwar || 04/03/2004 11:31 Comments || Top||


Sharon Says Israel Will Leave Gaza Strip
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon revealed the scope of his withdrawal plan Friday, saying Israel will leave all of the Gaza Strip and dismantle four West Bank settlements. Sharon said the withdrawal would get under way within a year and amount to a departure from all of Gaza, except for a patrol road along the territory's border with Egypt that the military says is crucial for combating weapons smuggling.
Ah yes, the Rachel Corrie Memorial Sewerway!
"We need to get out of Gaza, not to be responsible anymore for what happens there," Sharon told the Maariv daily. "I hope that by next Passover we will be in the midst of disengagement, because disengagement is good for Israel." After the withdrawal, Israel would consider cutting off the water and electricity it currently supplies to parts of Gaza if attacks against Israelis continue, the prime minister told the Yediot Ahronot newspaper.
And charge the Paleos market rates for when the lights and water are turned on.
Beforehand, Sharon said he would order a halt to any new construction in Gaza's 21 Jewish settlements, all of which are to be removed under the plan. Initially, Sharon considered holding onto three of the enclaves in northern Gaza.
Move them to the Negev and make the desert bloom a little more.
Maariv quoted Sharon as saying that in the northern West Bank, Israel would abandon four isolated enclaves - Ganim, Kadim, Homesh and Sanur. A Sharon spokesman, Raanan Gissin, confirmed the remarks. About 220,000 Israelis live in more than 150 settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Sharon told Haaretz that once Israel completes its West Bank separation barrier, Palestinians living illegally in Israel - who he said numbered in the tens of thousands - will be expelled.
"Load catapault!"
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sharon told Haaretz that once Israel completes its West Bank separation barrier, Palestinians living illegally in Israel - who he said numbered in the tens of thousands - will be expelled.

If only some of our leaders had the wherewithal to do the same for our little illegal alien problem.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  There is one slight problem with this policy. Many gay Palestinians find living life as an illegal alien in Israel is far safer than being gay anywhere in the Arab/Mulsim world. Hopefully Israel will take this into account.
Posted by: Ben || 04/03/2004 4:46 Comments || Top||

#3  "...Many gay Palestinians find living life as an illegal alien in Israel is far safer than being gay anywhere in the Arab/Mulsim world..."

B-b-b-but it's the Israelis who are the new Nazis, isn't it? How could that possibly be true.
Posted by: Leftwat || 04/03/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#4  Blown your cover Leftwat. LOL!
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Awww :(

Hey, Shipman, don't tell, OK?
Posted by: Leftwat || 04/03/2004 13:07 Comments || Top||

#6  There is a very simple solution for gay palestinians wanting to remain in Israel: renege Islam, take Israeli citizenship and loyally fullfill their military obligations toward their new state.
Posted by: JFM || 04/03/2004 14:27 Comments || Top||

#7  Sounds rational to me JFM. But what about the truly Fabulous balestinians?
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||


Sadr. Dies. Now.
EFL for lunacy:
An influential Shiite cleric in Najaf, Iraq, announced his support Friday for two of Israel’s biggest enemies -- the Palestinian militant group Hamas and Lebanon-based Hezbollah. "They can consider me their striking hand in Iraq whenever there is a necessity and whenever there is a need," Moqtada al-Sadr said in a sermon at Al Kufa mosque. Only to make possibly THE most asinine comment of the year:
Al-Sadr said that even though Yassin "has killed a large number of people this does not justify the way he was brutally murdered."
And then completely lose touch with reality:
Al-Sadr also referred to the U.N. Security Council’s failure to issue a resolution condemning the attack, saying, "this proves that all it is, is a tool in the hands of America."
Posted by: Edward Yee || 04/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'd hire a Kurd to drive a truck packed to the roof with explosives and park it in the vicinity of Al-Sadr's home. Get out, take a little walk, and 5 minutes later, BOOM.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Speaking of kurds...let's give them a country.
Posted by: Rafael || 04/03/2004 0:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Peter Principle, meet the Religion of Peace (.com's ass)
Posted by: snellenr || 04/03/2004 0:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Rafael, I like it!

It there were any justice in the world & a God in heaven, then we should give the Kurds all of Iraq.

Just give them the weapons they want, hand over the keys simply walk away with a....smile.

Best Wishes,
Posted by: Traveller || 04/03/2004 0:44 Comments || Top||

#5  [...cue Murat's blather about the Kurds...]

Sadr is vying for the Golden Smoldering Wheelchair Award. Let's help him along. Otherwise this becomes Iran-lite.

Posted by: Rafael || 04/03/2004 0:49 Comments || Top||

#6  Sadr obviously aspires to become the Shiite Arafat. Surely prior to that, we can arrange a "work accident" that will speed him on his way to collect his 72 raisins. If we were really good, the accident would include an honor guard from his "Mahdi's Army" to serve him in Paradise.
Posted by: RWV || 04/03/2004 0:56 Comments || Top||

#7  The gloves are off. Who's your buddie, who's your pal.

The Kurds have their own troubles. This is our problem.
Posted by: Lucky || 04/03/2004 1:12 Comments || Top||

#8  If we're so damned anxious to "win hearts and minds" over there and be even-handed with the various Iraqi factions & sects that we blind ourselves to the menace this guy poses, then this whole "Iraqi Democracy Initiative" is a complete waste of time and American lives.

Go in there, grab this clown and drag him away, never to be seen or heard from again.
Posted by: Dave D. || 04/03/2004 6:57 Comments || Top||

#9  Yup - time to thin this herd
Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 04/03/2004 10:06 Comments || Top||

#10  Let's give the West Bank to the Kurds.
Posted by: Shipman || 04/03/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||

#11  The Kurds have their own troubles. This is our problem.

I'd be more likely to trust a Kurd to help out than I would a Shiite.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 13:22 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
U.S.: Don’t exile or kill Arafat
The United States coerced urged Israel Friday not to exterminate exile or vaporize assassinate Palestinian mass murderer leader Yasser (Don’t-Shoot-Me-I’m-the-Palestinians’-Elected-Leader) Arafat. "Our waffling position on such questions, the slow torture exile or orbiting assassination of war criminal Yasser (You-Wouldn’t-Dare-Kill-All-These-Children-I-Surrounded-Myself-With) Arafat, is very hypocritical well known. We’re out to kill bin Laden and all of al Qaeda opposed and we’ve made that very ambiguous clear to the government of efficient, terrorist-eliminating Israel," Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage equivocated to told reporters in Washington.

He was mincing words commenting on media reports from Yassin-atomizing Israel that quoted Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as saying child killer Arafat and Lebanese militant baby crusher leader Hassan (Martyr-To-Be) Nasrallah could become well justified targets for immediate assassination. The "deeply troubled" Bush administration also had hypocritically opposed the richly deserved assassination of Hamas murderer-in-chief leader Sheikh Ahmad "Hellfire-Enema" Yassin by delighted Israeli armed forces last week. "There’s every no question that the government of Israel laughs at knows our duplicitous view on this matter," said Armitage when asked when and how Washington weasled about conveyed its opposition to deep frying exiling or immolating killing the father of modern terrorism Arafat.
Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ..Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told reporters in Washington.

State Dept. is due for some serious housecleaning.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 04/03/2004 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  The state department is full of weenies and klinton clone, holdovers, who wouldn't know reality if it bit 'em on the ass. The only way to get rid of this muslim cancer on humanity, is to KILL IT! Deader 'n HELL! arafat has earned his place in HELL. SEND HIM THERE, O' ISRAEL. In war, bad people die, or they kill more good people.
Posted by: Halfass Pete || 04/03/2004 0:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Its extremely unlikely Israel would kill Arafat. Sharon's statement was just to stress Arafat and his cronies and distract them from their hobby - planning terrorist attacks. I don't see a lot of sophisticated analysis coming out of the paleo camp and I suspect Arafat etc. are dumb enough to get taken in by this.
Posted by: Phil B || 04/03/2004 1:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Can they shoot him in the kneecaps? I don't think anything was said about that...
Posted by: Ol_Dirty_American || 04/03/2004 1:55 Comments || Top||

#5  You know, a few strikes out are funny.
But this many looks very crazy and is not funny nor does it allow for the article it's linked to to be informative.
That's it for me for awhile--I'm Zenstered out.
Posted by: Jen || 04/03/2004 2:15 Comments || Top||

#6  ..I remember being told a story years ago about a Hatfield/McCoy type feud in W.Va that was settled after years of killing, only to almost be reignited again when one blockhead refused to accept the ceasefire. The one side wanted him dead, the other side argued that it wasn't his fault. Two of the oldest graybeards from each side got together and came up with a novel compromise: every day for the rest of Blockhead's life, someone would take a shot at him that would just miss him.
The gentleman telling the story related how he'd seen the guy skulking around town about ten years afterwards - whitehaired, skeleton thin and shaking like a leaf - reach for a bottle of whiskey and was about to drink when a shot rang out and it shattered in his hands. Blockhead runs off for the woods howling. One of the oldtimers looks at the storyteller and comments:

"Y'know, one of these days, that poor sumbitch gone hang hisself."

I think THAT'S the approach that needs to be taken.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 04/03/2004 2:22 Comments || Top||

#7  I think THAT'S the approach that needs to be taken.

According to the Belmont Club's article, this may well be the case. Hamas just may think that Arafat struck some sort of deal with Sharon in order to secure a clear playing field via the vaporization of Yassin. Now Arafat will be doubly afraid to leave his Muqata. All of this bodes well for Israel, at least in this respect.

Now, let's hope that Hamas has the usual bloody internecine power struggle that Arab politics is so famous for. I can almost hear them, scrabbling, clawing and clutching after Yassin's secret bank account numbers right now.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 3:45 Comments || Top||

#8  I certainly wouldn't want to discourage any speculation that Arafat cut a deal with Sharon to give up Hamas in exchange for sparing his own wretched hide. It may even be true. Hell, the Arafish might even be a CIA double agent--which would explain why the State Department is so concerned for his welfare.

Or not.

If I were Rantisi, would I want to take the chance? Maybe I'd want to snuff Arafat myself, just to be safe.

(Great Wharks! I'm starting to think like Old Spook!)
Posted by: Mike || 04/03/2004 7:10 Comments || Top||

#9  Zenster, so many strikethroughs and one can no longer actually read the relevant text. Please do use some hint of self-restraint when applying them.

I'm all in favour of the utter destruction of the Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah leadership, but I think it'll be horrid if Fatah members like Arafat start getting assasinated by Israel. They are the ones that atleast pretend to be relatively moderate political leadership that accept Israel's right to exist. Kill Arafat and the way I see it that pretty much means that you are sending everyone under him to Hamas' arms.

Not that Arafat doesn't deserve death. I just don't see what good it would do to take out the leadership of Fatah when organizations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad are still around and active.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 04/03/2004 10:52 Comments || Top||

#10  disagree, Aris. Fatah, Tanzim, and Al-Aqsa are franchises of ArafatCo. Run by him directly. Any and all actions they take are vetted by Yasser and his politburo. That includes bus and pizzeria bombings, driveby killings of settlers, etc, etc. ad nauseum. If any of these cretins are bagged, whether by hellfire or rifle at long range, it IS a good thing.
Posted by: Frank G || 04/03/2004 11:58 Comments || Top||

#11  Zenster, so many strikethroughs and one can no longer actually read the relevant text. Please do use some hint of self-restraint when applying them.

Thanks for the advice. The White House hypocrisy of thinking they're the only ones with a lock on the WoT really got to me there.

Not that Arafat doesn't deserve death. I just don't see what good it would do to take out the leadership of Fatah when organizations like Hamas and Islamic Jihad are still around and active.

Which is why I have already mentioned elsewhere how Israel may be dismantling Hamas (especially) in advance of any withdrawal from the Strip, so as to ensure that their stranglehold upon the Palestinian political process is broken.

I do not see where Arafat serves any purpose beyond being a corrupt figurehead for the PA. He has led his people into a strategic dead-end while stealing untold millions. The Palestinians need a fresh start without Arafat.

I'll agree that Hamas, Hizbollah and al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade should all be at the queue's front, but due to his vast influence on terror and the abiding evil he represents, Arafat may end up going to the head of the class.

Posted by: Zenster || 04/03/2004 12:20 Comments || Top||

#12  Zenster, I may be in the minority here, but I enjoyed the strike-throughs on this particular article. It started to read like an episode of "Whose Line is That Anyway".
Posted by: Steve White || 04/03/2004 13:43 Comments || Top||



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